The Greatest Generation - Buffer Broth (VOY S5E10)

Episode Date: January 30, 2023

When Captain Janeway falls for a fantasy fascist, she offers him asylum and safe passage out of Devore space. But as Kashyk gets closer to finding what he’s looking for, Janeway’s two-handed dedic...ation to the mission saves Voyager and the Brenari refugees. What is Mahler code for? Why isn’t museum putty being used on the ship? Can face chicken shit be turned into face chicken salad? It’s the episode that’s down to pound!Support the production of The Greatest Generation.Friends of DeSoto for Democracy.Friends of DeSoto for Justice. Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Caretaker!Music by Adam Ragusea & Dark MateriaFollow The Greatest Generation on Twitter, and discuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen!The Greatest Generation is on Twitch.Facebook group | Subreddit | Discord | WikiSign up for our mailing list!

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Starting point is 00:02:28 Welcome to the greatest generation. It's a Star Trek podcast. A couple of guys who are a little bit embarrassed to have a Star Trek podcast. I'm Ben Harrison. I'm Adam Pryanaka. How you doing today, Adam? Fine.
Starting point is 00:02:41 Oh, okay. Because we're starting an hour and 15 minutes after we were scheduled to start. So I just wanted to make sure you were doing fine. Yeah. And the lateness of our start time is my fault. Yeah. I knew it from the start. Yeah. Just checking in, buddy.
Starting point is 00:03:02 Do you ever run into this, the like, the, I don't know how you're running a business over there, but most people get MLK Day off of work that tore through my household yesterday. Wow. A day I had intended to both observe and reflect and also get a little work done. Right.
Starting point is 00:03:24 Because I'm a small business owner. And boy, was I not permitted to get little work done. Right. Because I'm a small business owner. And boy, was I not permitted to get any work done. So I had to cram in all of my episode watching today, which is why I asked for a little bit of a push-off of our recording schedule. Yeah. It's hard to do a watch and notes and write jokes and do show twice in one day, but here we are.
Starting point is 00:03:47 You write jokes? Yeah. Yeah. Whoa. Huh. Why isn't our show funny then? I don't think that you come as a surprise to most people. That people hated it when we pre-wrote jokes. Not mine. Oh, okay. So that's just a complaint level that me, I get it. That makes sense. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Is it cold where you are? You look like we're in a thick shell. Yeah, I'm bundled up today. I don't weird like the internet's been like real shitty today and I've been like in and out of the garage, like trying to figure out whether it's the router or the internet hook up,
Starting point is 00:04:29 and I haven't been able to like keep my office as warm as I like, and I try to turn off the heater when we start recording, so it is chilly in here. I am using gas furnace heat. Are you doing that? Where are you right now? No, I've got an electrical mini split here in the garage. The house is on a gas furnace, but this is not covered by that out here.
Starting point is 00:04:57 The reason I brought that up was that, and I don't want to date the episode too much. I hardly know it. Yeah, but I'd say get coffee and don't put labels on it, you know? There's a recent news story that was talking about how maybe gas appliances, not good for your brains. Yeah. We've got gas appliances over here.
Starting point is 00:05:23 Yeah, you fucked up. What you're going to want to do is order a bunch of new appliances and hire a bunch of tradespeople to come over to your house and put them in. We've got a homeowner who's got some regrets about where he decided to put the funds for a kitchen remodel that he most recently completed. My father told me this when I was like a teenager that when he was in architecture school, one of his professors said like, if a company tried to bring like a gas stove
Starting point is 00:05:58 onto the market today and it was the first time anybody had ever made such an invention, it would never get through like regulatory approval. Like there's no way anybody would be allowed to burn gas inside their house in a modern regulatory regime. It's grandfathered in. I had a trade come through not that long ago
Starting point is 00:06:20 who had just crossed the threshold of the front door. And it was like, you got a gas range, don't you? I was like, yeah? Was he guessing that because you can see your gas range from your front door? I think he just looked into my home and saw like everything was wavy from the gas. No, he said he could always smell it. Like even if it's supposed to be undetectable, he said anytime he walked into a stranger's home, he could, it's like what Chuck was saying
Starting point is 00:06:53 about how it smells like an LA home. Yeah. Like it smells like a gas home. Yeah. Made me self-conscious. And now I feel like I might be poisoning myself. You might be. You might not. My brains are hanging by a fucking thread, Ben.
Starting point is 00:07:11 Like, I'm seeing opportunities to slow down the creeping cell death that takes place there. And when I look around my house, I see those opportunities all around me. Yeah. You really signed yourself up for a cute cellular degradation, much like somebody that's trapped in a pattern buffer for way too long. Oh, yeah. As in today's episode. See, I was trying to make a point.
Starting point is 00:07:39 You were trying to make a counterpoint. And here we are at the pivot into the episode, Ben, at Star Trek Voyager Season 5, episode 10. Counterpoint. Breaver course. Unless you've got something a little bigger in your torpedo toots, I'm not turning around. So this one starts off with kind of a showdown.
Starting point is 00:08:00 The Voyager's getting surrounded by multiple very aerodynamic looking ships. Like these ships look like they could go in atmosphere. They look like big, gray, double d's. You know, like especially when they're shot from above. Yeah. Like an aging porn stuff. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:08:29 Those are the original silicone implants, not saline. Right. Yeah. You talk about cellular degradation. Yeah. Just to bring that back to the fore. Yeah. This is a traffic stop, Ben. I don't like this at all.
Starting point is 00:08:38 I don't like the feeling of it. It feels gross. They got a heave-to and prepared to be boarded. And, you know, Janeway like blows into her hand to see if you can detect Jane on her breath. Let's see. Z by X, W, U, T, S, R, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E, E are. Ehhhh. Stone cold sober. I'd be so mad at that. And that is exactly what I would say in the moment and that would get me arrested. Right. Yeah. Sir, you're coming with us.
Starting point is 00:09:18 Yeah. So, these are a D-class ship, right? They're divorce ships. Yeah. Yeah, they sure are. They're assuming a tactical formation. We kind of cut around and there's something going on in the cargo bay, there's something going on in the transport room.
Starting point is 00:09:33 There are, you know, like some status of something is being checked on to make sure everything is ready for this. And then they get their face time from the devour. And this guy refers to them as a cahari vessel and tells them to heave to and prepare for inspection. Yeah. This is something that happened before. And this is another element of the scene that kind of sucks. Like the crew is
Starting point is 00:10:01 used to this sort of check. So like when they're stood against a wall and scanned, for example, there's like the expressions on their faces of people who are caught up in some bullshit. Yeah, it's like the guy asking to see your receipt on your way out of the big box store. It's like I don't love getting asked to verify that I bought all this stuff, but I guess this is your fucking job.
Starting point is 00:10:27 Yeah. Let's get this over with. There is a man named Kaysik who has set up shop in Janeway's Ready Room, and he's got a lackey with him. And he's just gone ahead and helped himself to the replicator. We know that this is a scarce resource on the ship, but you know, he's going to help himself to the last two curing cups and make them some coffee that Janeway doesn't even want to drink. I don't think she wants to drink it because she doesn't want to give him the satisfaction of his hospitality being received, right? Yeah. Well, it's that. And also, like she tries to like, break up the cups of coffee with a broth in between, you know?
Starting point is 00:11:08 She has like a buffer broth that she's waiting on and she doesn't want to just jump the gun, you know? You know, if you've got an espresso machine, sometimes you need to run the broth tablet through everyone's noiles for scaling, right? Right, yeah, if you live in an area with particularly hard water in your replicator system. through everyone's noiles perfect scaling right? Right. Yeah. If you live in an area with particularly hard water in your replicator system. God, you know what sucks is that Janeway
Starting point is 00:11:30 probably loves that dirty mushroom coffee. You know? It's for my brains. It's to counteract the fact that this is a natural gas-powered replicator. K-Shix got a vibe, doesn't he? Yeah, he seems like a real Bon Vivont. Good morning, Captain. There was some episode like in early seasons where they had kind of a similar dude coming aboard. And I was like, is this like a retread of that episode? Like I was trying to remember what it was,
Starting point is 00:12:11 but I didn't get very far in my Googling to try and jog my memory. As comfortable as K-SHAK is in Janeway's chair, this is a very uncomfortable cut to theme song I thought. This felt to me like, you know, Kaysik delivers his moment. Please make yourself at home. And then we kind of cut to theme in a way that made me wonder if, you know, I feel like these scripts have to be written with the theme in mind, like cold open, and then we dissolve to theme. This feels like, and I don't know this for sure, but on the paper, there was never a moment
Starting point is 00:12:49 where that was written in. And this was like a theme for the edit. Yeah. It almost feels like it could have been solved with the music cue too, right? Like, if the music had just swelled at that point, like... But because Kasia Kassardi helped himself to the settings on the radio, do you think it's the diogetic music that has ruined that possibility? Moller's first symphony was not the right choice.
Starting point is 00:13:17 They should have picked something more intense, something more dramatic. The worst part of Moller are the rules at the end of all of his songs. Mmm. Uh, new rule. Heh heh heh heh heh heh. Kaysik likes my songs the best.
Starting point is 00:13:33 Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh. And if Janeway doesn't want to drink my coffee, she can cram it. So smug, Moller. What a smug asshole. The Moller references code, right? I feel like anytime you play a definitely German Austrian composer in a scene with a sort of fascist vibe, there's going to be implications, right? Yeah, but I was trying to think about that because like if it was Wagner, like a hundred thousand percent, right?
Starting point is 00:14:06 Sure. Yeah. But like, most people don't know the difference between Moller and Wagner. Like me. I didn't either, but I read a little bit about Moller today. Oh. While I was not reminding myself which Voyager episode
Starting point is 00:14:19 this reminds me of. Uh-huh. And one thing I read was that the Nazis forbid performances or playing of Moller's music. Like interesting. Yeah. So I don't know what to make of that. Like it it almost like runs contrary to, but I don't know. It almost does. But in a way that helps to serve the story's complication of K-SHAK, right? I suppose so, yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:46 He's a complicated man, I guess. Yeah. He's kind of a fantasy fascist too, right? Like, he's so slick and he's well spoken and he's good looking, like in a way that no real guy of that ilk is, like they're all derpy dimwits, you know, but the stage is like smooth. Yeah, because like when we see what's going on around the rest of the ship, like these jack booted thugs are not respectful or cool or slick.
Starting point is 00:15:18 They're like dumping over samples and they're like, you know, elbowing people out of the way. Why is the part that affects me the most, like the doc samples being broken? That made me so angry. The fact that they're making a bit of a mess is driving Adam up the wall. It really is.
Starting point is 00:15:37 The like toxicity of their political beliefs less so. Oh yeah, secondary to all of this mess. Would you just look at it? They're not going to help clean. I don't want to do it. Coffee, black, make it yourself. I'm going to help you see this as an opportunity to grow. Make it yourself. Janeway is great with this guy, right? Because as slick as this guy is, Janeway's only barely giving him the smallest amount of satisfaction being his audience. She's just going through the motions, but you couldn't even call it passive aggressive
Starting point is 00:16:15 because there's no aggressiveness to it, but there's definitely no passivity to it. You know what I mean? She's flipping him shit, but it's so subtle. It's like flipping him shit in the most perfunctory, let's get through this business as fast as possible because I don't wanna be here anymore than you do. Yeah, kind of way. Right.
Starting point is 00:16:37 We're just trying to get back to Earth's inspector. It's like interacting with a passport control guard. You don't want to make them anymore interested in you, baseline. Do you want to make a point or do you want to have a day? Right, yeah, exactly. I would choose to have a day and just go on about it. Just get it over with.
Starting point is 00:17:01 And like, Kasia is very, like, you know, seemingly interested in all her little captains, trinkets. One of the things that I thought when he picked up the, there was like the bust of an ancient soldier that they talk about, and he like picks it up off the shelf and then puts it back down. Like there's no museum putty or anything under that thing.
Starting point is 00:17:21 Like what happens when there's a banger? With all the bangers, yeah. Like our captains, trinkets just constantly having to get replaced. the impuddy or anything under that thing? Like what happens when there's a banger? With all the bangers? Yeah. Like are captains trinkets just constantly having to get replaced? Great call. Great call. I never thought about that before.
Starting point is 00:17:33 I put just about everything on top of museum putty at my house. Yeah. Just about all of it. You're sitting on some right now. You can barely lift up a glass. You get a lean over for that sip. That's why I poured the drinks so high.
Starting point is 00:17:48 You're sipping off of the membrane, never finishing a drink. Is that why all the pages that magazine I found in your office were stuck together? Yeah, because it wasn't on the shelf straight up in town. It was laying on its side. Laying horizontal. Can't be too careful. So we learn was yeah, who's laying on its side laying horizontal can't be too careful
Starting point is 00:18:05 No, so we learn a lot about what's going on in their conversation the divorce are You you could call them telepathists They're specifically looking for two-vac voric suitor and one other person who yeah who are the four group members who have any telepathic ability at all. And Janeway, you know, without looking up into the left to indicate that she's dissembling tells this guy that they all died in like various shuttle accidents. And he's like, I have noticed that almost every single shuttle on your ship's manifest has been lost in action.
Starting point is 00:18:46 So that's plausible. That's plausible. It would have been great if Souter were still alive and were like, you can have Souter. Take my Souter, please. You'd actually be doing us a great favor. He's still just in. Yeah. just in solitary confinement in his quarters. They take him aboard their ship and like you just like see them flying away and like the light start to blink out and the ship just kind of like starts starts moving shittily. I think murderous is way through it. He's there, probably now. Yeah, I missed that guy.
Starting point is 00:19:30 Soudre was a real one. Yeah. So the last little bit of business is Prax comes back. He's the kind of second and command guy. And he says that there are no telepaths aboard, but they did find that the ship deviated from its flight plan a couple of times, and the captain explains this away as Ion Storm avoidance, and so they get to go on their merry way.
Starting point is 00:19:55 But we'll see you again, because the Devoremperium is big, and you've got a lot of time to travel through it left. It's such a bummer. This is all going to keep happening. There left. It's such a bummer. This is all gonna keep happening. There's no stopping it. No stopping it. But at least they've got K-Six, right?
Starting point is 00:20:11 Like, prax is even less fun than K-Six. Yeah. At one point, K-Six says that prax is a man of few pleasures or something like that. I wonder what the pleasures are. Like, what does prax do to have fun? The pleasures that prax is into aren't legal to send through the mail. He's got some real horrifying interests, I think.
Starting point is 00:20:33 Mm-hmm. We'll seek the manager if you'd love it. So, like, the moment the divorce bug out, there's this big sigh of relief, and the crew gets to work. They unveil their missing telepaths. They beam them back aboard. They had been in something like a pattern buffer, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:52 And the number of people that materialize is way more than might have expected if the list of four names that they went over was what you are imagining. You could tell Tuvac has his emotions on lock because as someone who has had a significant transporter accident before, the idea of being smushed together with these folks for any period of time, that's not gonna feel good. I mean, it's like touch and go, getting them materialized
Starting point is 00:21:23 for a second and then they all have to go to six Bay. And the doctor is like, I mean, it's like touch and go getting the materialized for a second and then they all have to go to six bay Yeah, and the doctors like you know, there's some bad stuff happening to these people because of how long they're spending in the pattern Buffer I mean you should have seen the back of two box head when he came in here. Yeah, it's better now But we can't do that too many more times. Does anyone see that this is wrong? Yeah, I mean, not just too many more times. Like the next time could be fatal. Yeah. This is a real problem. And there's the like leader of the people
Starting point is 00:21:51 that they are transporting is like, hey, like I really appreciate that you're doing this, but this is starting to get pretty crazy. So, you know, like I'm not like gonna be mad if you can't get us to where we're going. This is an episode that is certain that you need to know next to nothing about the Bernari other than they are telepaths. Like every time Kier pops back up on screen as like the leader of the Bernari, I'm like,
Starting point is 00:22:21 oh, right. Like he's their leader. Right. I remember. And I'm pretty sure that's not the like he's their leader. Right. I remember. And I'm pretty sure that's not the gas in my house talking, you know? Right, right. That's a thing you forgot honestly. Right.
Starting point is 00:22:36 And the biz, this is a two-hander, right? This is just a Janeway and Kaysik type of story. Really is. It's that there are two names above the title and no others. Yeah. We go into the ass lab to check on where they're headed. It's coordinates in a Mutara class nebula where the Voyager will be dropping these folks off with a transport that will deliver them on to a wormhole that will get them out
Starting point is 00:23:02 of divorce space. And I was like, kind of at the middleman, just go to the wormhole that will get them out of divorce space. And I was like, kind of at the middleman, just go to the wormhole yourselves and get everybody out of divorce space. Precisely. They didn't go over the fact that the location of the wormhole was a secret for like way too long at this episode, I thought.
Starting point is 00:23:19 Yeah, and they've got two days to get there and given the number of inspections they've already received, this is just gonna be a gauntlet of inspections, right? Really is. And that. So buckle up. The backs of a lot of your heads
Starting point is 00:23:33 are gonna be pretty mangled by the time we're through this. The Samuel L Jackson Jurassic Park meme, hold on to the back of your heads. Ha ha ha ha ha. Comes to mind. Yeah. Of course, it's locked in. You're dead.
Starting point is 00:23:49 Listen to me very carefully, because I'm a man to say this once. Who? Hey Adam, you know who hates flotter stories? Telepathic children? You know who else hates flotter stories? Everybody. It's she-topeless. Un It seemed hopeless until they discovered a door.
Starting point is 00:24:07 Yeah, this is a well-timed interruption by Janeway. Is anyone working here? Are you guys still open? She says. She's being real caring about the whole thing. Yeah. It says you're open for another half an hour and I haven't had dinner. And Nelix is like, yeah, well, you know, we've already like, you know, turned off the
Starting point is 00:24:30 flat top. We're cleaning the kitchen right now. And she says, well, fire it back up, baby. Since early, I thought a lot about this scene in the context of the larger story, because an unusual thing happens here. Janeway is really, really nice to Nelix in a playful physicality kind of way. Like arm around him, bumping him with that fruit at the end. It is so pleasant. And that is the shit that's like not in the script. That is an actor, you know,
Starting point is 00:25:06 like taking the scene in and acting realistically about their affection for another character. Right. And I was like, why does this feel so strange? And the answer is, I think you need to see Janeway as a caring emotional person before she starts getting in with K-Six. Because if she is professionally buttoned up Captain Janeway throughout the episode, I think the affection that comes later isn't gonna be as believable maybe.
Starting point is 00:25:39 Right. I think that the, you know, the big knock against Janeway as a character is that the writers room really struggled with like the tone of her character. Is she the hard-nosed captain that will stop at nothing to get her crew home or is she the softer, more approachable captain that is a counterpoint to Picard or some, you know, blend of the two and... Or is she an emissary? And she's gonna go live with ghost people and leave her family.
Starting point is 00:26:10 And somehow be seen as a hero for that. She like somehow simultaneously an expert at cooking the cuisine of New Orleans, but also when you see her cut up a carrot, it looks like a crazy person is cutting a carrot up. Yeah, those are the questions in the writers room. I've always thought that that was kind of an unfair criticism. Like, I think that because her character contains
Starting point is 00:26:37 multitudes and is less archetypical, it just seems that way, like that she is reacting differently in different scenarios. I always wanted to buy one of those arctipical jackets, but I never had the money. Yeah, well, we'll try and put one up and podshop.biz. Podshop.biz!
Starting point is 00:26:56 You'll get it at a discount because you're a part of the company. What does that symbol even mean? Like, is that like a tarot actal or something? Yeah, I think it's a arkiopterics. Yeah Like is that like a teradactyl or something? I think it's a, our keyopterics. Yeah. Is that what it is? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:11 It's like a bird with teeth. Wow. Chomp, chomp, baby. All that is to say, I think you're right that this scene did seem a little bit unusual. Yeah. Most characters interactions with Nelix fall on what short of open affection. Most opt to just sort of get it over with as an interaction.
Starting point is 00:27:35 Yeah. Whatever gets them with the food. But she already had the get it over with mode when she was dealing with the devour inspectors. So that would feel really harsh if she was using that same energy with Nielux in the scene. Right. Right.
Starting point is 00:27:50 And here come the devor again. Yeah, she gets called back up to the bridge, mid-broth. And this is just a small scout ship that has pulled up on them. It does not seem to be an inspection this time. This thing is not doing the shields up, weapons hot, heave-to, and prepare to be boarded energy. And when they fire up the FaceTime, it's a inspector... Was it Keshek? Keshek?
Starting point is 00:28:20 I think calling him Keshek. Keshek. Call me Keshek, please. Keshek is the planet that Chewbacca is from, right? I wouldn't know. Keshik is his name. Being a wookie planet is his game. He's a devoid inspector. He's here to ask for asylum on board Voyager because he's realized how wayward he's become in involving himself in this fascist Gestapo government agency that he's been working for. He knows how unbelievable his deal is and that's why he makes with the information, right?
Starting point is 00:29:05 He's like, look, I know you don't believe me. Right. What with these rady clothes and my weird cover story. But what if I were to tell you that this nebula was a trap? To catch vessels smuggling telepads. And that I know you're harboring telepads and exactly how many of them and so forth. Like I have all this information that could be a benefit to you.
Starting point is 00:29:27 Like I could give you patrol intelligence, I could give you weaponry and defense information about our gray double d's, which you know, I really much of a threat anymore. But back in the day, let me tell you, the hottest ships in the fleet, baby. They really turned some heads in their time. So yeah, he's trading this information that will guarantee the safety of the refugees for his own safe passage. And they've already had a conversation about trust being something that is earned
Starting point is 00:30:08 and like part of the mental framework that he uses to justify his hatred of telepaths early on is that telepaths don't even need trust because they could just look inside each other's minds. So, you know, dot, dot, dot, kill them all. But then I'm really comfortable admitting I'm an idiot. After all, like, people know that I host a Star Trek podcast with you. With me. What do I have to do with this?
Starting point is 00:30:40 I was on the hook here. Like, I wanted to and did believe K-Shi-K from here. Did you? Or were you disbelieving? No, I did. I mean, like, I think that one of the strengths of this episode is the twist. Yeah. That is a hard twist to get to.
Starting point is 00:31:01 I feel like if this scene doesn't stick the landing, then the twist is worthless and the episode is worthless by extension. This sequence happened so fast, though, and I was thinking a lot about like, why does it work? Like, why do you believe him? Why are they attempting to make you believe him? And why does it happen? I think it's because they change locations so fast.
Starting point is 00:31:24 I think if you live in the ready room for a while, knocking this around conversationally, I think you're in one place long enough to poke some holes in the story, but I think by going directly from K-Shick saying, you got to believe me, and here's a bunch of information that's useful to you to the ass lab where that information is being used. You've already skipped past the part where we're deciding whether or not to trust him, we're already like digging into the gifts, the many gifts that he can provide as a person on your side.
Starting point is 00:31:57 I think that's just, that's like a pivot that's like subtle, but it's so important because if you're not hooked here, the whole thing falls apart. You're not even halfway through the episode. Well, Incruciently, TuVoc is there in the ass lab for that scene. And which means a lot of processing the idea of having him aboard and like aware, you know, like, and not concealing the telepaths
Starting point is 00:32:19 around him has been done. Do you think he considered melding here? This was an episode where the meld hammer should have come out. Yeah, the meld hammer stayed in the velvet box, didn't it? I know that I've criticized two vachas a character for using the meld hammer too often, but it would have really helped in this one.
Starting point is 00:32:43 Yeah, I agree. It helps the distory checks out too, right? It's not like he says there are, there are gray double d's in the nebula. They see them. Yeah. Like, they're able to use their enhanced scanning to find them. So how are they going to get these refugees into the hole? Yeah, I mean, I also like that Janeway wants to defer to the refugees about how they decide what to do about this. So she goes down and
Starting point is 00:33:18 talks to Karen. She's like, so what do you think? And he's like, you know, like defectors do happen. And He's like, so what do you think? And he's like, you know, like defectors do happen. And let's consider the fact that he's maybe a double agent and he's using us to find the wormhole, but like, trust is gonna be tricky, but like, let's let this play out a little bit, see what happens. There's an idea floated in this scene.
Starting point is 00:33:37 It's that there's a guy who could be useful in a situation like this and finding the hole. And this guy's name is Torat, but this guy's got a real bad reputation. He could be an issue to work with. So I don't know whether that's gonna go anywhere. We're gonna have to spend some time looking for this hero expert,
Starting point is 00:33:56 and that'll be our next project. Meanwhile, we get a little hang between Janeway and K-Six in the conference room. Every time K-Six is in a space, there are a couple of security people with desk busters just watching him. He's like always under armed guard in this episode. That is a nice reminder of the way things are, not only for K-Six, but for us, you know? Like there's always in the background there.
Starting point is 00:34:25 Because he's like, sort of on, he's on the kind of house arrest where you can go to your job. You can check out and go to your job. But he can't go to the mess hall. He can't go to the hall of deck. He's got some big limitations. But also, in addition to K-Shick being a dangerous man because of the security around, there's also the implication of K-SHAK being a dangerous man.
Starting point is 00:34:52 Yeah. You know, like in a sexy way. Because this is the scene where it feels like there's a little bit of game being flung around, right? Like, K-SHAK is like a Chris Isaac-ing. Her a little bit. Yeah. I feel like.
Starting point is 00:35:09 Yeah, I mean, with that hair. Yeah. I don't think anyone could doubt that. It's interesting to couple that energy with the like, well, I've like, what really walked away for my whole life. And like, I'm gonna be like treated as a pariah by these, you you know people who I've been like hunting and I'm now trying to like refugee away with.
Starting point is 00:35:30 Yeah, Keshik is like, look man, if I leave my wife for you, like I gotta be sure that this is gonna work, okay? It's that kind of energy. Why does sudden change of heart? There's nothing sudden about it. I've been looking for a way to escape for years. I wonder how much they thought about his costume for this because the kind of like,
Starting point is 00:35:50 frumpy, brown, donna-gall-tweed jacket that he's wearing. Uh-huh. It doesn't quite have the bad boy motorcycle jacket energy that his performance does. Yeah. And his uniform sort of did. So it's kind of funny that he changed into this specifically. his performance does, and his uniform sort of did.
Starting point is 00:36:05 It's kind of funny that he changed into this specifically. It's a very professorial look that he has. Right, and that's an interesting choice because he is not peacocking, you know? No. In the way that he dresses, his sexuality comes from his mind. Hmm.
Starting point is 00:36:24 Right? Yeah, he believes that the mind is the best weapon. Sexually. Times change. Some people. So they catch up with this scientist that knows about the wormhole. Skyn is named Torat and he is a real rubber face. Yeah. Of the two hosts of this show, you're going to be the expert on the Torat.
Starting point is 00:36:48 Ben. Am I? Yeah. Okay. As a recently, religiously converted person. I converted to nothing. I love how they hack this guy's FaceTime. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:07 Like from behind. I also like that he believes that if a hacker takes over your computer, you can be like, go away! And they'll stop. Did this guy sound like Richard Dreyfus to you? Oh. Because he sounded like Richard Dreyfus to me. He does give a little bit of a Drifus voice, doesn't he?
Starting point is 00:37:26 It's Richard Drifus! He was sounding so much like Richard Drifus I decided to do a little research and what I found via commentary track to the 1983 movie vacation starring Chevy Chase. Chevy Chase mentions in the commentary track that Randy Lowell, who is this actor who is also in vacation, he's Richard Driveus' brother. Whoa. Randolph Lowell Dreyfus is his full name. Whoa.
Starting point is 00:38:01 And that's where the case went cold because on Richard Drive is his Wikipedia page, like there is a brother and a sister listed, none of which are Randolph. What? And so there seems to be a strange family situation happening there where maybe this guy didn't want to be a driver's anymore, professionally or personally. So much so that it's not even mentioned on the Wikipedia page? Yeah, there's that moment in the Godfather where they ask Randolph Lowell
Starting point is 00:38:31 if he renounces the Drifus and he says, I do renounce him. Yeah. Isn't that weird? Are they related to Julia Louise Drifus? Oh, that I don't know. And I don't believe it, but maybe. And are they related to the Dreyfus affair?
Starting point is 00:38:50 I do not believe that is the case. Well, at all. Anyways, I mean, I hope not. Jacques Hughes, this alien Torah of being a stuffy academic who can only be gotten to through his professional ego. There's only one man in the world that could make that kind of pivot then. They set this guy down in the ready room and they're trying to bribe him. He doesn't seem to have the information they need.
Starting point is 00:39:27 At least he makes it seem that way. And Keshik and Janeway are a fun, bad cop, flirty cop in this scene. They kind of play into a scientific vanity. And it's funny in the scene, like the idea of calling wormholes, wormholes is called in the question, like, who calls them that? Laman's term that covers any number of phenomenon.
Starting point is 00:39:49 It's like people that think that gravity being a theory means that it's not verified by science. Right, man. You know, it's like, he has great scorn for the non-experts on wormholes. Sure does. And it's not enough to just fly directly at the wormhole because the wormhole is one of those ones
Starting point is 00:40:07 that's not in a fixed location. It's like the bar's in wormhole. Yeah. Where it flies around all over the place. It's a dry well-capped, worthless. You know what I like about Toret is that he's got little inflatable balloons inside his loaf. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:23 That's a lot of fun. I love that this actor thought about like, what are some things I can do with the fact that little inflatable balloons inside his loaf. Yeah. That's a lot of fun. I love that this actor thought about like what are some things I can do with the fact that this rubber mask they put my head in puffs up, you know? Like, like, I'm gonna use it. Like, I would love to know whether that was in the script or just something he discovered on set, you know?
Starting point is 00:40:40 That's where my head went is like the fantasy of they get Randolph Dreyfus, you know, into loaf and they're like, look man, you cannot breathe through your nostrils for like two hours until the glue sets, all right? So just chill out here and wait. And he went outside to like smoke. And the makeup artist comes back like, God damn it. I told you not to breathe out your nostrils. You've ruined my work. There's a year upset. My fucking face is full of nicotine tar. Yeah. They turned face
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Starting point is 00:44:00 So now the problem of how do we figure out where this wormhole is going to show up falls to for some reason Janeway and K-Sik and no one else. Yeah. Like Voyager, a ship of science, does not enlist any crew members to work on this problem. It enlists the work of a former police inspector and the ship's captain to to try and find a pattern in this wormhole data. Who together have railroaded an alien with face balloons into doing their bidding? Like, did they not become what they hate the most in heranging the sky? I felt bad for Torah. Yeah. Well, I mean, they did give him a year's supply of silver goo to run his spaceship on.
Starting point is 00:44:48 Yeah, he did it for the goo, didn't he? That's gonna get him to a lot of academic conferences, you know? Fair, yeah. They pick a very romantic setting for doing this science and it's got the Kolea and Kolea happening outside the window there. Oh yeah. Very romantic. Janeways wearing her bad relationships idea. Great t-shirt. When she does this work with K-Sik, that's fun. Available now at Podge.com. Yeah. I wear this when I'm feeling flirty. Yeah. I wear this when I'm feeling flirty.
Starting point is 00:45:27 Or when I'm feeling mutinous, either one, really. Hard to tell apart. I mean, you could call it a mutiny of the heart, couldn't you? Wow. Who's really in charge? Wow. There is a point made in this conversation that they're breaking the prime directive by helping the telepaths.
Starting point is 00:45:45 Yeah. Is that true? Don't like that. Are the telepaths a non-warp capable species? This is why I brought up that point earlier about the Bernari and how little we know about them, like we don't know anything about them. I mean, they were picked up, they were saved from a freighter, scooped up and taken away. And that's really all we know.
Starting point is 00:46:09 Hard to square with the Janeway we know that she would just fly past the prime directive without a big involved scene of debating the pros and cons. But here we are. I wanted to cut away to Chico Tay so bad right now. Like, what is he doing? Yeah. Where is he on the ship? And what is he doing?
Starting point is 00:46:31 He's just sitting in his office with like, like, ten boxes of brand new Dixon Tykonda rogas sharpening them one by one. And breaking them one by one. Sounds great. Janeway kind of negs K-Sik in this scene also when she's doing it. and breaking them one by one. Sounds great. Janeway kind of necks K-Six in this scene also when she tells her that she hasn't decided whether she likes him at all.
Starting point is 00:46:54 It's a real steamy moment. She's playing her own game at him. I mean, who's playing who here? Because there's that element, but there's also K-Six being like, you know, you could be my happy ending to the many atrocities I've perpetrated on telepaths. So don't feel too much pressure, duh, duh, duh. Because if I leave those atrocities, I'm gonna wanna make sure this works with you and me.
Starting point is 00:47:26 And it wasn't just for nothing. I kind of have a life with those atrocities. We have a shared bake account, okay? He is like making the case for like, maybe you and me and she is really like easing into that idea like a warm bath amidst him telling her about like sending a girl to the death camps.
Starting point is 00:47:48 Janeway, are you listening to what he's saying? Or you just looking at that jawline? I don't know. It is a very, very tight jawline. Guys, a hunk. I feel like I used to have a good jawline. And now it's feeling like a 43 year old man's jawline. Yeah. Well, at least you can, you can puff it up like, like, like, Torot.
Starting point is 00:48:07 Yeah. When you get flustered. The computer interrupts this moment of titillation to announce that the plan they've been working on works. Yeah. I mean, sort of. Yeah, they use some sort of musical algorithm to like, get a much better idea of where the wormhole will next appear.
Starting point is 00:48:28 But you know, it's no easy feat to get there. And the next morning, we see the like sensor grid that they're going to have to cross through on their way to it. This is a, like I feel like a few episodes ago, we had a ship send out like a communications pulse that like knocked their ship on its side. And this is a sensor pulse that kind of does the same. Like when they're flying through it, it's really like rattling the ship to hell. It's funny. Like Voyager and specifically Janeway does not have a great track record with stations that send intermittent pulses, right? Yeah. That's sort of how this whole thing started.
Starting point is 00:49:06 Yeah. I like that they just totally blow it here. Yeah. First one that hits them, they're like, all right, now turn down the energy. And like the idea is that for 40 second intervals over the course of 10 minutes, they'll be doing this. They'll go to warp for 40 seconds and turn everything off for the pulse and then go back to warp. Did you feel like Keshik blew this for them?
Starting point is 00:49:28 Was this part of his plan or was this incidental? Oh, I did not think about that. That's a great like rewatching fight club for the second time question. Yeah. I like that theory a lot. Maybe. I didn't know that the warp core was that easy. I like that theory a lot. Maybe. I didn't know that the warp core was that easy to like turn off and turn back.
Starting point is 00:49:49 I know. But so like when they realize that they've been detected and that the bad guys are gonna be coming to intercept them, it's a long overdue Nacell flex warp. We haven't seen the Nacells go up and the ship go to warp in such a long time, I feel like. And then we are in a McLaughlin group. If you want where they are talking about, okay, there's six hours until we get to the
Starting point is 00:50:12 hurl. And the bad guys will be on us in six hours and the hurl will be open for two minutes. So like everything is converging on this two-minute window that we will have to try and rescue these people. K-Shick uses this moment to do a, we need to talk with Janeway and his idea is this. You got to give me up, babe. I know this thing between us is cool, but like maybe I'm your last hope and if I go back to work because I told them I was going on vacation for a couple of weeks, hence the tweed.
Starting point is 00:50:51 If I put on my uniform again and went back over there, I could order those ships to give you only the most cursoryest look over before letting you go. And then you can take these Bernari to their herald where they belong. Great success for everyone. I'm not trying to say that Brunari just like belong in a herald. I mean, like I know that that sounds like the old me.
Starting point is 00:51:11 I'm not, I swear to God, I'm not the old me. I'm new me and I'm trying to, I'm gonna, this is the very self-sacrificial thing. I'm gonna go, I'm gonna cause the inspection to be very light and unfortunately, I didn't get to do my defection like I hope. And Janeway is like, well that's very sweet. So we'll just leave one foot in the door, leave it slightly a jar and see if you can make
Starting point is 00:51:34 it into the hurdle with us on our way out of this part of space. There's coffee and having someone around to appreciate a bit of chikof skin now and then. It's really one of those absent to better idea the only choice Janeway could make. I kinda got it. I didn't like it, but I got it. So there needs to be a walk out, right?
Starting point is 00:51:53 Like Janeway walks K-Six to the cargo bay where his ship is. Right. And boy, what a scene, right? The long kiss goodbye, camera panning over to Chico Te, snapping another pencil. There's a second level to the to the shuttle bay and up on the railing, Chico Te takes a tumble. I love how Keisha goes in for the kiss And then Janeway goes in with two hands. Double hands it.
Starting point is 00:52:29 And boy, it's so passionate. I mean, when she watches him go, that basement is totally flooded. Yeah, yeah. That's why they had to do like a cowboy shot of her, you know. Be careful. Yeah. do like a cowboy shot of her, you know, be careful. Yeah. They cut from the ship back to Janeway and her uniform tunic is,
Starting point is 00:52:51 is tied around her waist. She's back in the seducing a strange alien shirt. I mean, that's the, my basement's been flooded shirt. So his shuttle flies away and off they head to this showdown. And when they get hailed, it's the same routine. We've seen this all before. It pracks up on the facetime, telling them to heave-to. They're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We know all the things, the inspection, yada, yada, yada. I love how all the camera angles are the same.
Starting point is 00:53:32 You know, like we dodge around the ship and we see the same fucking procedure everywhere with just people in different places, but the actions are the same. And sure enough, some music starts up on the one MC, and Janeway goes into her office, and there he is.
Starting point is 00:53:53 K-Six is back in her seat, running his inspection, and seems like it's going well, you know? There's like lots of like subtle hints that like, yeah, like wink, wink. Yeah, I mean, Keshik lets voyage her get off with a warning, but will Janeway get off with more? Hmm, that was my question.
Starting point is 00:54:15 It's a great question. Especially after Praxis dismissed, right? Like, they're just alone together. Yeah. And when Praxis finally out of the room, Janeway's like, oh, thank you. Finally, we can talk. Yeah. And when practice finally out of the room, Jane was like, oh, thank you. Finally, we can talk. Yeah. I thought he'd never leave. Yeah. Here it comes. The awful moment. This isn't a scene where where Kaysik uses an arm and like scoops everything off of Janeway's desk and they get down.
Starting point is 00:54:46 This isn't that at all. This is the exact opposite of that. Janeway's been played. They shot that ending, but they decided to go with this one instead. It didn't test well. Yeah. Yeah. It was all about Voyager leading the divorce to the wormhole. Yeah. They wanted to know where it was and how to find it in the future. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:03 And I thought Janeway was going to blow up the ship here. She is so fucking mad. And she is sort of Soto Vote when she talks to him. Yeah. Yeah. He gets on the radio and tells Pracks to rematerialize the refugees and where the wormhole is going to be. And this washes over Janeway's face,
Starting point is 00:55:26 the humiliation of having been totally taken for a ride, been deceived not only on a professional level but on a romantic level. Yeah. It hurts. She's like, was it all a lie? Even the part about you sending the girl to the death camp and he said, that was the truth.
Starting point is 00:55:44 And she's like, God I can't believe that that turned me on as much as it did that's so fucked up. What does that say about me? We can't choose our kinks I guess. That's just who I am They go out on the bridge and he sort of smugly orders a torpedo launched at the thing on the screen that he ugly orders, a torpedo launched at the thing on the screen that he believes to be the wormhole. The saddest part of this moment is, uh, Kaysha gets ready to destroy a hole that isn't Jane Ways. Because that was her expectation. Is that one of the ones you wrote beforehand?
Starting point is 00:56:19 Yeah. All right. That was worth it. See? It's worth it, see? See? It's worth it! They also rematerialize what they think are gonna be the refugees, and they're just barrels full of leo-le roots. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:35 Those weren't the refugees, right? Those can't read minds. No. It's a fake. But, like in the accounting, the Deor realized that they're missing two shuttles on Voyager. And when we cut over to those shuttles, a Refugee's are aboard. And they're the ones that shoot the torpedo at the herl, and they get up on in that wormhole, and they're gone forever.
Starting point is 00:57:02 I was shocked that Tuvac wasn't the one in command of the lead shuttle shooting the torpedo. Yeah, it seemed like a difficult operation. I guess not. They gave that to Kier and there are three star fleets in the contingent of people that can read minds here. You didn't split them up between the shuttles. Do you think Chico Teiz off the hook for his, his path of destruction?
Starting point is 00:57:29 When it comes to shuttles, oh, I, I thought you were going to ask about the path of destruction when it comes to Dixon, Tykonda, Rogas. Oh, I mean, there's that too, but I mean, two shuttles in one go. They're not going to see those again. Well, aren't they though? Cause doesn't the Voyager have to rendezvous with them to pick up two Valks? And I guess, Vorik. I guess so. I never put that together. Yeah, because like the end of this episode is really contemplative and weird because basically, Keshik is like, all right, Prax, let everybody go and like erase all records,
Starting point is 00:58:02 like tell your men they were never here because this would be too professionally humiliating. Like we'll never get a promotion again if the bosses find out that we let this many telepaths go through our space. Which like, I read, like I thought that was totally plausible, but it really ends on this like, so what happens with everybody?
Starting point is 00:58:24 Like does the Voyager go to another location where the wormhole opens or do they just continue a warping and they're without two-vock for a long time or what? The explosion from the relationship between K-Sik and Janeway, I think is meant to be so large between K-Ship and Janeway, I think is meant to be so large that it obscures all of these questions, because I did not think about those factors at all. I was just thinking about, you know, like when K-Ship clears the bridge after this mission is accomplished by Janeway, and they do that, we could have been so fucking hot together kind of conversation the two people have when they get this close to just burning down their lives, you know, in exchange for like one
Starting point is 00:59:13 night of worm-hoaling. Yeah. That's what this episode wants you to consider. Really does. And that's where the episode ends. Did you like it? You know, I really used to get along with post-review time, but I don't like bullets, I don't like bread, and I don't like you. I really like this episode. I think I especially like that K-Six seems like he was genuinely tempted, you know? Like he was deceiving her the whole time. She was acting as if that was a possibility the whole time. But it seems like the feelings, at least, were kind of genuine. This was a steam year that I expected at the beginning. And a very interesting story.
Starting point is 00:59:57 Like there's so many different ways you could go with this too. Like the two-vac mind-med to verify would have been an interesting thing to explore the like continuing to interrogate the idea of trust. Like if that had been like part of the relationship the entire time, like kind of teasing each other about trust as they got sexier and sexier would have been interesting. And like why the Bernari aren't anywhere around Kaysik in such a way where like the kids could tell the ending To the flotter story that Nielix was telling why couldn't the kids tell if Kaysik was lying Well, they said the the train like the soldiers trained to like shield their minds Yeah, which also could have explained the mind-melding away.
Starting point is 01:00:45 But yeah, I feel like this episode has the potential of 10 different episodes. And I feel like it realizes that potential in its own surprising and interesting way, which is a weird way for an episode to be. I feel like just as often it's like an episode has the potential of one episode and like medium succeeds at that potential, you know. Why that's really true. You were talking at the beginning about, you know, the challenge a room might face in deciding what sort of Captain Janeway is.
Starting point is 01:01:23 in deciding what sort of Captain Janeway is. And here we are, you know, in the middle of season five, finally recognizing that one of the many parts of a person is their sexuality. And it was cool to see that Janeway is like, also has a sexual interlife. Yeah. And she was like, down to pound. For the mission.
Starting point is 01:01:48 Yeah. You know? She should have done this a long time ago. Because there's that moment in the shuttle bay where she knows Kaysik is conning her when he kisses her. Yeah. But when she chooses to kiss him, that's the reversal.
Starting point is 01:02:06 Like, she didn't have to do that. He believes a million percent at that moment that he has her right where he wants her. That's the undercover that has to do the cocaine in front of everyone. Like, that's Janeway's kiss. Yeah. She has to make it believable. The shit's chess, it ain't checkers. I love it.
Starting point is 01:02:26 It's great. And maybe it's greatness comes from where that kiss might have come from, whether or not there are true feelings there, or if Janeway's just so stone fucking cold that she would do the coke because she's undercover and that's what the mission requires. Like it could be any of those things, it could be all of those things at once, but it is very exciting to see the side of Janeway
Starting point is 01:02:48 and I hope we see more of it. Because also just like, hey, free Coke, you know, that shit is really expensive. And this guy's giving you some for free to prove you're not a cop. Right. Yeah, gotta do it. Take that deal every time.
Starting point is 01:03:01 Yeah. Yeah. It just a outstanding Kate Mulgrue episode like has to be said, gee. Yeah. Fucking takes this thing over. And that's not to diminish anything that the actor who plays K-Shick did. Like the two of them together equal how great this episode is, I think. They're just a total smoke show together Really great, you know what else is a total smoke show is our priority one inbox atom Do you want to head over there and see what we got? Oh, yeah, it's it's a smoking her
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Starting point is 01:04:00 is a horror slash comedy podcast by two FODs inspired by Greatest Jen. We talk about the work of HP Lovecraft story by story, but don't worry. We also discuss the racism and xenophobia of Lovecraft himself. Oh, thank God. Also, there are jokes and extrosexual inferences. This P1 is to ask for advice. On February 15th, 2023, we'll be going to London Ingland for a live recording at the London Lovecraft Festival, where both confused
Starting point is 01:04:34 and terrified as to how this happened. Any advice? Any advice for going to a festival? Man, I'd say my biggest piece of advice is like see other shows at the festival and hang out at the festival because your love crafty and peers will be there and it will be cool to make connections in that space, I think. I mean, I don't have too much podcast or comedy festival experiences or performer, but I can tell you based on our experience at San Francisco Sketchfest. You want to hang out in that lobby bar of the hotel if you can. Yeah. That's where all of the impromptu fun tends to happen.
Starting point is 01:05:19 You'll be just sitting there, like pouring back an ale presumably, cthulhu walks off the elevator in the flesh. Yeah, you gotta be there for that. You can't be in your room. He'd the call. Hey, congratulations for getting an invitation to a festival. That's an exciting time. Yeah, that's really cool. You can search for London Lovecraft Festival online to find tickets for that or look for Podsothoth, colon a Lovecraft book club in your pod catcher of choice and I'm told that Podsothoth rhymes with Rod's drop cloth. Oh, that's nice. Here in the pronunciation guide. Hey, one last bit of advice because something caught my eye in this in this copy. They're doing a live recording there at this festival. Yeah. This leads me
Starting point is 01:06:11 to believe that this might be your first time interacting with a professional audio producer of some kind or a room with text or whatever. Yeah. Be their favorite fucking people. Be as cool as hell to the people that work in these rooms. Yeah. Is my advice. Not only because it's the right thing to do, but because of how you get invited back to cool things like this.
Starting point is 01:06:38 Truly. And they also have had a really rough couple of years if the folks in London are anything like the folks in the US and Canada. So yeah, hey, break a leg out there at the London Lovecraft Festival. Ben our next priority one message is from Rufus Littwa from Aurora H3. Take it that right. Rufus Littoi. Yeah, maybe the first time you had it closer. Rufus Latoit from Aurora H3, it is too friends of DeSoto Hash House, Harriers.
Starting point is 01:07:15 Message goes like this. On, on, and Mary Hashmas. All the bimbos and wankers around the world. May your down-down downs be plentiful, and your malort fuel you through your week. Boy. The intention for this was in December. Not picky about when, probably didn't want this to be end of January.
Starting point is 01:07:38 As this reads as a sort of holiday message. I hate that you have to think twice before saying Merry Hashmas now. Yeah, I know. Happy Hashidays is what we've been made to say. Yeah, that's like, hey, I just want to celebrate my own culture. All right, is that a crime? Our last P1 hairs from tiny teeth and it's juicy, but
Starting point is 01:08:11 why did I marry you? I do not remember. Perhaps it was your dashing good looks or your unwavering honor. Or maybe it was the fact that if we were stranded on a remote planet, you wouldn't build me a bathtub because you know I hate baths. Whatever the reason, I do remember that it's our second anniversary, and I love you the mostest. Wow.
Starting point is 01:08:48 I'm not used to hearing Kern that affectionate. Yeah, or remembering something. No, yeah, exactly. A month late, but hey, happy anniversary to juicy bud and tiny teeth. Like, Kern would remember an anniversary date also. Come on. Yeah, yeah, give me a break. I can't even remember that. It's true.
Starting point is 01:09:09 Yeah, and what's our excuse? We haven't been lobotomized. I'm just breathing gas all day, every day in my home. Yeah. I've only had the normal amount of piss administered intravenously while in the hospital, you know? Yeah. Not a lot extra.
Starting point is 01:09:26 No. Well Adam, if people want to get something up on the Jembo Tron slash in the Priority One message inbox, the way they do it is by heading to maximumfun.org slash Jembo Tron and setting it up today. Today, don't put off a priority one message for tomorrow what you could put on today. That's my advice.
Starting point is 01:09:48 Mm. Hey Adam. Step in. Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? Drunk Shimoda! I love the moment where Janeway walks Keshik back to his quarters and at the doorway. Keshik kind of makes
Starting point is 01:10:05 that soft pass. Like, hey, the boy, what a day at work, but now that we're not at the office, how about you show me how to use the replicator and the way Janeway smashes is fucking nuts with the you don't have a working replicator because I didn't permit it. Was so great. And like the first instance of like maybe there's a little bit of a flicker of a thing here. I love the moment, but like the the Shimoda moment
Starting point is 01:10:40 of K-Shit Goen, certainly everything in my corridors is operational for an impromptu date. If I chose to have one with the captain, right? No dice. I just love that moment. So K-Shix, my drug Shimoda for that. What about you, Ben? The pressure is really on, okay, no, I too, because I'm gonna give my drunk Shermota to Prax, the man of few pleasures, K-6 right hand man. I just, this actor, Jay Patrick McCormick, a great that guy, almost always a cop or like a general or something similar. Yeah. And just so, so many movies and TV shows.
Starting point is 01:11:38 He has a face for authority. Yeah. Like, just like, look at his IMDB right now. It's like, mayor, attorney, senator, general, general counsel, police commissioner. You know, like everything is, everything is that. And I thought he did great in this role, very hateable character. And I love of that guy. I love, I love that guy popping up like this.
Starting point is 01:12:04 He's a man of a,000 David Simon credits. Yeah, it really is. Well, Adam, that just about does it for our treatment of season five, episode 10. Let me tell you a little something about season five, episode 11. I would like to know more about it. It's called latent image.
Starting point is 01:12:27 When the doctor discovers that his short-term memory has been tampered with, he launches an investigation. So it sounds like we're heading into an episode with a different kind of hole in your memory. Yeah. God, I mean, how can you be sure if you're the doctor? Your memories are in the cloud, aren't they? Yeah. Anyone could get it those. Yeah. That could just be a sink error, you know? Yeah. How would he even know? Yeah, wouldn't. That's the point.
Starting point is 01:12:55 Seems like he's in a tough spot. Yeah. Are we in a tough spot with our runabout at the game of buttoles? The will of the caretaker. You could say that. We are on the doorstep of a Darmock, eyes uncovered, square. There's also a banger that we could hit, a banger that we have hit before, out ahead of our shuttlecraft. You're required to learn as you play, roll.
Starting point is 01:13:21 Wish me luck as I roll this bone. Good luck. Thanks. I had it in my roll day six. Hula! Did I win? Hard of ink. Jumping us to safety on the far side of that banger,
Starting point is 01:13:39 past the eyes uncovered, massive, on the square, 26. Regular episode next week, I'm looking forward to it. Huge roll. Big, big roll. That's super exciting. You know what else is exciting at them? We're just a little bit of the way into the year 2023. Guess what's coming up. The max fun drive. It's less than two months away. Two months, you say yeah less than two months of relative peace
Starting point is 01:14:10 Before the drive really hits the fan, huh the drive will be hitting the fan and March I'm really excited about the max fun drive because that's the time of year that we turn to the friends of DeSoto for their support and brother we could use their support. So I'm hoping people are getting excited for that. If you just can't wait, you can head to MaximumFun.org slash join right now and sign up today. Yeah, I mean really January is a great time to just make sure that your money is going where it should, supporting the things that you care about, January.
Starting point is 01:14:47 It's either January or whenever Max Fun Drive is, that's what I've always said. Those are the two times per year. Yeah. You want to make sure you're paying for the things you love. Or any other month. Right. Exactly. I've always said that January or whatever month max fun con drive is or any of the other
Starting point is 01:15:09 three six or nine months out of the year. Yeah, yeah, they're all perfectly valid. You've always said that Adam. The gas is getting wavy in here, Ben. I'm looking around and I can barely see. Yeah, you know, you're supposed to light that gas on fire to heat your house up, right? You want to see something uncomfortable? Oh my god! You've got one of those, uh, one of those readers that tells you how bad the air is in your house. At a thousand parts per million,
Starting point is 01:15:39 it says that, uh, you're supposed to lose 15% of your brain ability. Did you know that? Jesus. Jesus. And I've been looking at this meter the entire time we've been recording and it has been between 900 and 1,000 the entire time. So imagine if this episode had been recorded in a house that was heated with an electric
Starting point is 01:16:02 heater, just how much funnier Adam would have been this at the South. Yeah. Yeah. 15% funnier. At least. At least. Not really.
Starting point is 01:16:13 15%. We got a few more people to think. We got to thank Bill Tilly. The Card Daddy runs our social media. At Greatest Trek on all the platforms, we got to thank Adam Ragusia, who made our original theme song. Check them out on YouTube. Adam Ragusia is the handle.
Starting point is 01:16:34 Adam Ragusia is the channel. That's John T. That's fun. Yeah. We got to thank the great Wendy Pretty, our producer, who keeps the wheels turning over at the Oxbridge, Shimoda, corporate headquarters. Yeah. And our nation's capital, Washington, DC.
Starting point is 01:16:52 That's right. Those wheels grind our audio tracks into the fine powder that is then milled into the edited program that friends at DeSoto enjoy. And then crooks make undercover cops do bumps up to... Oh yeah. Fairify. Yeah, you want to do it.
Starting point is 01:17:11 Key bumps of our Fresh Mild Podcast. That's pure. Yeah. Enjoy it. I can't feel my face. With that, we will be back at you next time with another great episode of Star Trek Voyager. Another episode of the greatest generation Voyager where 15% or so of our short-term memory is missing for some reason. I think I have an explanation for the doctor.
Starting point is 01:17:40 We'll figure that out. Maybe we want to check his gas lines. Heh heh heh heh. This fucking episode has been an invitation to every armchair doctor to tell me to get out of my house. Yeah man. Uh, those will be funny meals to receive. Adam is being slowly poisoned. Ben shouldn't take Daron over to Adam's house until he gets this fixed. Record scratch.
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