The Greatest Generation - But Enough About My Butt (DS9 S2E20)

Episode Date: July 9, 2018

When Male-Pattern-Baldness-Barclay commits an act of terrorism, Station Commander Sisko hits the road with an old frenemy. But when everyone in the DMZ starts using cheat codes, loyalties are tested and well-treated prisoners are dying. What is Cal Hudson telegraphing with that low com badge placement? Does Gul Dukat have resting threat voice? It’s the episode where we go on an Excellent Adventure, but stop short of going on a Bogus Journey. Come see us live on tour with Greatest Gen Khan🎉🎉🎉! Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Prophets!

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I'm Adam Pranaka. Oh, Adam. One of those weeks. Sure is pal. I don't want to start the show with poop material but you will usually save that for a mid roll right? Yeah right. We break it in the middle of the show. You're a man who's in conflict with the other end of his of his body oftentimes. Constant conflict Ben. I've been having a bit of a week like that. Hmm. Makes me, makes me empathize.

I accidentally had cheese last night. Why did you slip and fall into some feta? Well, sometimes you'll get a salad with some, with some cheese in it. And that's not, that's not like a, and above the title thing that is, in the description of a salad. And so I had a little bit of a cheesy salad

and or a cheesy dressing to go along with it, and I'm still, still feeling it. I'm sorry, dude. What happened to you? Are you just, is this a food related thing or a stress related thing or a, she, the thing, I know I shouldn't envy you, but the thing I envy about...

I almost goes with that saying. The thing I envy about you is that you often can trace causality to a specific thing you ate, and I never can. Like sometimes I'll have sick booty and it's just a total mystery why that happened. That booty's so sick. One of my favorite things that not to just say a joke, somebody else said, but one of my favorite things John Gaper has ever said is when it takes a dump, it's like them emptying the crab pots on deadliest catch.

Was that the Crap's and Crap's episode he did? Oh, I like it. I think he said that on a live episode of Doe Boys, but I have to go back to make sure. It's so great. I had a day like that and I was laughing, well committing the act because I had gotten up from watching an episode of Deadliest Catch to do it.

It's such a genius description because of the wetness. Yeah, it was a like I have to disrobe and take a shower now kind of situation. But enough about my butt, Adam. I have a stack of Star Trek deep space nine trading cards in packages here in front of me and I am kind of hankering to open these Yeah, let's talk about things that are stuck together instead of Instead of popcorning I of things that are loose. Right. The game is five cards stuffed. The game is exceeding. They're simple.

Where does it just start there? Time to block a pendulum. Then I've got nine packs left, and I'm going to propose that we just blow through them all. Oh, shit. What do you think about that? Trading card binge. All right.

Let's do it. Hell yeah! I got a really good quality card with morn on the front here. That's a good start. From the Emissary Part 2. Just a nice, seated Mona Lisa portrait of Morn. I got Paradise on the cover. It's the story of O'Brien and Cisco and that and that hot box and the and the lady with the lubricant. That lady that wants to be

Goshin? We should be writing the episode capsules for Netflix. Paradise! An episode about a hot box, a lady with some lubricants What we need what we need is like a high-power shit kicking Hollywood agent to kick down the door at Netflix and say I got to Young up and coming talents, but what they really want to do is rewrite some captions for you guys How'd you like to be on the ground level of something no one cares about? I got an allies and aliens, an enemy character, name of Wayun. I'm cracking these cards when I open them, and it sounds like cracking knuckles. They're getting more and more stuck together. Well, it's hotter now.

Maybe it's the humidity in the air. Whoa, Ben, I got a special card. Really? It is, I would say it's double thick and it has got a see-through panel of it. It's tarry-fair-o as Lucennia Commander Jadziya dacks. It's one of those, like, you hold up into the light and then you can see what looks like film. Wow, is it a piece of film? Is it a cell of film from the show? It can't be because it just looks like an 8x10. It looks like a portrait.

Oh, but you could like tease it out of the card and go take it to a photo studio and have them develop it for you. It's a landscape aspect card. It just says the complete Star Trek Deep Space 9 gallery, and it's G5 is the name of the card. I would say the only remarkable card in this pack that I just opened for an episode called Trials and Tribalations, and it's a shot of Quark with a Tribal on his head. On his head? Yeah.

Well, that's- Isn't that- Isn't that just hilarious? That's ample real estate. Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha to this show. Wurf is like the only thing keeping me going, man. We gotta get to Wurf! I know. I think this will be better once Wurf gets here, right? Yeah, things will be better once Wurf gets here. That's one of the main things about Wurf. The Duke packs I just opened.

Each contain three cards on repeat, three of the same cards. Profit and lace the ship and the alternate. I got two copies of each of those from just the last two packs I opened. I love the ship. Yeah, it's like a sign-filled episode. I have allies and enemies, Lecudus of Borg. Whoa! Would not have expected him, but I guess in the Emissary Part 1 he plays kind of a role.

Yeah, yeah he's in that episode. And introducing Lecudus of Borg. Ladies and gentlemen, a man who needs no introduction. He's like babies who get cast, like Lecudus of Borg is played by Tony and Eric Stewart. Yeah, the Union rules mean that the kids can't be on set for as long, so you always cast twins. I've got a card for the begatin' here. The picture for the begatin' is a bejure and mom holding up a bejure and baby who is covered in birth goo. Ew. Tells a story. These cards are falling apart as I pull them apart. Yeah, the ink from the front tends to stick a little bit to the back. That's the problem.

It's like buying a new car. As soon as you drive it off the lot, it's losing value. As soon as you open these cards, they're losing value. I mean, it's arguable that they had value to begin with but... How many packs he got left? Um, I have... Three left. I have four so I better get going. Ooh, allies and enemies.

Michael Eddington, an enemy. This is a, uh... Fellow with, uh, male pattern baldness. Michael Eddington, an enemy. This is a fellow with male pattern baldness in a kind of a kind of loose fitting t-shirt and then a motorcycle jacket over it. Where are you going on that motorcycle, Michael Eddington? I got a card that looks like the box art. It just says Star Trek Deep Space 9 and it's a smiley Avery Brooks and then in sort of like a serious portrait studio. I have the same card. There's there's

Kalamini over shoulder. Oh I have I that, but with the space station over his shoulder. Card number one! That's what this card says. Wow, congratulations! And I also got a silver ships of the Dominion War card. This is card S4. Looks vaguely special. I don't think I've had this costume card.

I feel like it was a lie. God, I want that costume card real bad. Because like, where is it, if not here? God, I keep getting the begotten and the goo baby. I've gotten like four goo babies. No more goo babies, cards. Oh my goodness. I got one for an episode called Wrong's Darker Than Death or Night.

And it's a, uh, very revealing ball gown or something on Kira. Like a, a slit that goes up, up to her hip, basically. Doesn't sound wrong to me. Pretty enticing image there. She looks kind of pissed off though, in that way that only she can. It's part of why I like her. Alright, second to last pack here. Well I got Golducat as an ally and enemy. I got

another one of these goddamn triple cards. What are repeats as we get to the end here? Yeah. Hey, I got one for the Make Weas part two. That's next week's episode. The thrilling conclusion. To the Make Weas part one. Ships of the Dominion War. Cling on, Bird of Prey. part one. Ships of the Dominion War, Klingon, Bird of Prey. Nice foil card. Unlike the Romulan ship that I unwrapped recently, this one's actually facing toward camera, so that's cool. That helps. Down to my last pack. As am I. Hoping to get something that beats the gallery card for Terry Ferrell. Otherwise, that is as good as it gets. Boy, there are some episode titles here that rival discovery for pretension.

Stretary Faith and the Great River is one of the episodes I'll see. Oh, I've got Morn as an ally. Whoa! There's the buddy. That's a good card. I would to beat Morn. Okay Adam, we're gonna play everybody's favorite game to play with Deep Space Nine trading cards. I have

pulled five cards out of this last pack and what you have to do is guess whether the whether the photograph is in focus or out of focus and if you get if you get three out of the five right I will arrange for a six pack of beer to be delivered to your house. You ready to play? Ben, this game was so popular the first time around. I'm thrilled to be able to. It was the talk of the internet. I'm thrilled to have another shot at this. I mean, you did great the first time, you won.

I did great by guessing mostly out of focus. Alright well let's see if you can uh let's see if you can repeat your so far unturnished record. The first card is for an episode called The Search Part 2. It's an image of Odo and like a lady Odo. Ado? Yeah, talking to each other and I start trek cave. She's looking very sad and he's looking kind of miffed, I will say. You know, I think you tipped your hand to me by giving me that much detail. If you have expression amounts of detail and how people are looking, I'm gonna say that card's in focus, Ben. detail and how people are looking. I'm gonna say that card's in focus Ben.

Sadly Adam that card is not in focus. That's going in the L category. Oh not a good start. Took a good cut there though. Yeah, here's another card. It is for an episode called Honor Among Thieves, and this may be that same wayune guy that I had that card for before, same hair and ears. Not pot, not, it might be a different actor in the same loaf though. I don't know. And there's a couple of guys over his shoulders, but he's addressing somebody off camera. I'm gonna say in focus. Oh Adam. Oh no.

I'm in the hole, aren't I? You're in the hole. That is an out of focus card. And sadly, that means you need to get every single card correct after this in order to win. All right, your next card. Take me out to the Hollow Suite. This is a great card because it kind of looks just like a straight up baseball card. It is of Ben Sisko in a deep bass nine baseball uniform,

Niners, get it. And he's on a baseball field, and I think ROM is in the deep background in the in the stands He might be the only person in the stands Well, this is one of the shows most popular episodes, so I'm going to believe that they would have made sure that this one was in focus, Ben You are correct Adam. We're still in the game and that's what I love about you. Alright.

Still in the game like an erectile dysfunction prescription drug commercial. Second to last card, this is for an episode called Suns of Mogue and it is an image of everybody's favorite son of Mogue Warf Rochenko. He's wearing a gold ceremonial Klingon robe. It looks like he may have a Suicide knife or something in his hands a Little hard to see but from the angle and then he's kind of looking down as though in disgust with something.

How could they do Wurf out of focus? I think I've guessed in focus for every card so far, right? I think you have, yeah. I'm gonna say that Warf's son of Mogue is given an infocus portrait here. Infocus! No it's unfortunately an out-of-focus card Adam. Ah well do you want to try and mitigate your loss somewhat by taking a wild swing at the last card? Yeah, let's do that last card. Last card is her an episode called Change of Heart.

It is wharf and dax, and it looks like they may be either embracing or grappling. He kind of looks more embraced, but she looks more grapple, and she's got quite a bit of dirt on her face. Her hair is very much out of place, and she looks, uh, she looks real effed up. She's in a bad way. If they are grappling, do you believe it could be a consensual grapple? I don't know. I mean, anything's possible. Jetsia Dex, open to a lot of shit. I'm gonna say that one's out of focus, Ben. I'm gonna say that one's out of focus, Ben.

That is correct, Adam. Well, two out of five, not a terrible showing, but not enough to win, Adam. Just give me the summary, how many of those were out of focus, four out of five were out of focus? If I had just guessed out of focus the entire time, I probably would have won if you'd, yeah, four out of five were out of focus? Four out of five were out of focus? If I had just guessed out of focus the entire time, I probably... Yeah, you would have won if you'd... Yeah, four out of five were out of focus.

Yes. Wow. Wow. So ends the game. Yeah. And so ends are supply of these particular deep space nine cards. Yeah, I'm willing to continue the card bit, but I get to tell you, only with the different kind of card. What we need to do is ask the card guys over at a step-pod casting yourself. Those guys know everything about trading cards. Well, the search goes on if you have a bead on Superior Star Trek Deep Space 9 card, shoot us an email at www.drunkshamoda.gmail.com. Adam, do you want to get into the first part

of a big two-parter that we watched today? I think we have to. I mean, you can't do the second part without the first, and by the first, I mean, Deep Space 9 season two, episode 20, the Make we use part one. AKA Cisco and Do Cuts, excellent adventure. Excellent! Yay!

Today, what, what, do you realize how many? How many of all this seems? Oh, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha Some Cardassians get blown up by a guy with male pattern baldness. Not the guy in the card that I opened up by the way. Different. It's like in the post-Pacard era, Star Trek is taking a hard stand against bald men. This guy reminded me of male pattern baldness, Barkley.

Yeah. Like he's kind of skulking around like a Barkley. He's got a Barclay vibe. I totally, I was like, is this, are they introducing the Barclay of Deep Space Nine? Right. I'm ready to know that guy. Yeah. Wood would meet. I don't want any trouble here, Barclay. Trouble. Why would there be trouble? There's some stuff in apps where like Kira and Dax are kind of arranging the departure of this Cardassian transport. And it made me think about the air traffic control aspect of working on Deep Space 9.

Yeah. Kind of surprising that the science officer and like the second and command have their hands on that, you know. I like it and it feels like some lived in careerism happening on screen that you don't get. Right. Like, it starts like it's so interested in cramming plot into the show, you know, like rightfully so,

that you don't often just get to lay back and watch people do their jobs. I wonder how much of their day tends to be this. And I sort of wondered, wouldn't there be people that specialize in this, like the people that drink way too much coffee and just sit there and coordinate ships all day? Yeah, I go up to ops and push tin. You're shift.

451, turn left and it's your six, sir. I said I was a little surprised that that wasn't a specialty given the idea that it was a job, you know? How bored do you think DAX is after seven lifetimes of whatever work whatever whatever careers she has had whatever careers DAX has had over the years. Do you feel like this is a this is a upward career trajectory for her or a flat trajectory or one? Does the ankylosaur want different? Is it all about variety? That's sort of the implication, right?

She bangs weird looking aliens because just different. That is a great observation that I'm ready to believe. I don't get a sense of ambitious, anchly-o-sour, out of DAX. Instead, I get just an interest in variety, like you say, both in sexual partners and in career. Like, she basically calls Kira stuck up in the scene because Kira is grossed out by the men that the DAX is interested in.

It's not his fault. Galamines have transparent skulls. Yeah. I mean, Kira is kind of shaming her. Yeah. Not exactly the view I want to have with dinner. Yeah. Uncool, Kira. If it wasn't to each his own, then nobody, you know, it's a

zero-sum game at that point. Kira doesn't want to see that brain. Kira wants to get brain. she don't want to see it. Indeed. Oh, indeed. This ship blowing up is a big problem. And it's one of those problems that is urgent. Like they, they're out in a run about like individually

scanning every piece of wreckage, all 75 cardacians aboard the ship are dead. Cisco is totally flipping out because the brass at Starfleet are breathing down his neck. Do you get the sense that part of the runabouts jab is to clean up the debris too? Yeah, like when they first targeted it, I was like, are they just gonna like phaser it

and vaporize it? Because they do show like quite a bit of crap floating around the upper pylons. Lots of times in Star Trek when a ship explodes it just turns to vapor. And that's it. It's neat to see some particulate left behind. Some flotsum.

Some realistic flotsam. Some realistic flotsam. Yeah. And you know, Cisco is pretty eager to call this an accident and get everybody to stand down their alert and O'Brien and Pure are like, we don't think that there's any evidence that it is an accident yet. And I think it's Dax that kind of zero zeros in on this reading she was getting before the ship left that it was probably not an explosive device but an implosive device because the problem. Right, but it looked on screen like any other ship exploding. It wasn't like space folded in on itself and then blipped out. Yeah, like I guess it imploded something

that was holding something in and then whatever was being held in exploded. So it's a device that's meant to destroy a ship without leaving a trace behind that can be specifically attributed to an explosive. It's just not really like, like if you're a terrorist like concealing that it was an explosive when you're blowing a ship up is kind of a It's kind of not what a lot of terrorists go for kind of lens credence to the idea that the May quees are

Like only interested in taking this ship out because it is running guns and for no other reason They're not trying to make a political statement. They're not doing this with the aim of destabilizing the region or anything. They're doing it because of the very practical thing that the ship does. Yeah, yeah, that's a... That's a special way to distinguish that.

The make-wee-stid it. Make-wee-stid it. Right. One thing that does not spoil this episode is the appearance of one of Pensis goes old friends. It's Cal Hudson. AKA the history teacher in Bill and Ted's excellent adventure. So Bill, what you're telling me essentially is that Napoleon was a short dead dude. This guy is great. And Bernie Casey. Bernie Casey can fucking rock a Starfleet uniform too.

Shit Doug. He basically, like nobody has looked better in a Starfleet uniform since Will Reiker. He does wear his combatge a little low in the chest, and this is an observation that I've had before. If you are even a little bit taller than other actors, if you ride the combat combat lower in the chest, it makes you look giant.

That little bit of force perspective really changes it. And I don't know whether that's intentional or not, but it really makes them look larger than life. Cal Hudson with a little spread satura. He's cutting a little bit of a dash in that uniform. He knows how to wear it. Cal Hudson can get it, baby. Cal, Cal and Ben are friends.

Cal and Dax may be closer friends. Yeah, the implication is that like the relationship that Ben Sisko had with Kerson Dax is very similar to the relationship that Cal Hudson had with Karson tax, but that Kal is kind of a dog. He writes, because he's like, she knows more about me than any woman I've ever met including my wife.

Jesus, Kal. Either Kal is not very close to his wife or Jack's is very close to Kal. Yeah. Either Cal is not very close to his wife, or DAX is very close to Cal. Yeah. They go into Cisco's ready room, and Cal to sort of like swings his arm behind him, and it's like, are you hitting that bend?

Right away launches into it. Oh no, she may not be Curzon, but she is DAX. I don't love that it's just kind of another writerly excuse to re-explain what Daxx is. Like, it's fucking, we're on the backswing of season two. We get it. Oh, I think Kyle needs it explained to him though. Like, I don't think it's just turning.

He knew Kersan, does it, did Kersan not explain it to him? That's the weird part, right? Is like, it should have been known at that point that the Curzon container was temporary. I thought that Enchleo sir was just a sex thing. Pretty nifty split diopter here deployed in this office scene though. Oh really? I didn't mean that. With some foreground, cow, background, bin.

Oh yeah, good point. Tastelessly done. Yeah, very tasteful. Delicious. And sometimes you'll get a little bit of a blur in that diopter and it looks crisply focused. Foreground and background, it looks great. The line is well hidden.

Yeah. Where it is in the frame. Good call. I'm a rain, come to a fore, I'm a rain, come to a fore. What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing now? I'm a rain, come to a fore. I'm a rain, come to a fore.

I'm a rain, come to a fore. I'm a rain, come to a fore. I'm a rain, come to a fore. I'm a rain, come to a fore. I'm a rain, come to a fore. I'm a rain, come to a fore. I'm a rain, come to a fore. I'm a rain, come to a fore. I'm a rain similar job to Cisco in that he's kind of the top Federation guy for an area. He's not stationed on a starship. He's detached to a region of space.

And I kind of get the sense that this is the region of space where like the, you know, Native American people in that late TNG episode live, like the parts, the planets that humans and other Federation people were on that wound up on the other side of the Kardashian line when this treaty got put into place. Yeah, and there's, you know, as Chummy as this scene starts, it really devolves into some tension, because what Kale's trying to make clear to Ben is that he can't possibly know what it's like out in the territories that he cruises. Like, this is not, you know, things post treaty, like, aren't great and the treaty didn't fix

what everyone had hoped it would fix. It's actually created a bunch of problems. And Cal makes the case that Ben couldn't possibly know that because he hasn't been out in those territories the way Cal has. Yeah, it's an interesting scene because Cal starts off just a chill dude that's there for a chill hang and then reveals some like real deep anger about what's happening out

in these colonies. You ever like go out for drinks with someone and the tone just changes like and get super fucking dark like that's what Cal does in this scene in the span of like three minutes. Yeah, I mean, I have, I've experienced that before and as a conflict of first person, it's something I kind of live in fear of. It's why you like to turn down invitations most of the time. Yeah, fucking A man. But I don't think Cisco is conflict of hers. He's interested in talking this through and solving this problem because it's looking like these are the two guys that are the highest placed, Starfleet has in the immediate vicinity

of the Cardassian border. So it really does kind of fall to them, to to toe the line and work on behalf of this treaty, whatever their misgivings are about it. And in the aftermath of the ship explosion, Cisco is sort of bracing for a card-assie in response that Hudson is almost positive isn't going to happen. Or at least, positive is not going to happen in the way that Cisco thinks.

Did you ever watch the staircase? Yeah. There's like a great handful of new episodes of that on Netflix. And uh... Did they add to the staircase? Oh, I haven't seen the new stuff, but I saw it a couple of years ago. So there was a new hearing where they presented a bunch of evidence that the key witness that the prosecution presented was a total flim flam man and made up all of the like blood splatter evidence,

like totally fabricated his report. And it, like, you know, you watch the thing and then like the prosecutor stands up and says, like this was a fair trial and the result should stand and like the jury made a call and you just gotta let them make that call like whatever these guys are saying. And I like I flipped out I was like how can she just sit there and say that when she was in the same room seeing all the same evidence that this guy fabricated all of the shit. And my wife, a actual lawyer was like that's not her job like her job is to

was like, that's not her job. Like, her job is to argue on behalf of the state and of the victim of the murder. And that's what you do. Like, that's how this works. And I think that that's kind of the position Cisco is taking here. He's like, not necessarily a thousand percent bought into like the substance of the treaty or anything,

but it's the federation policy and that's what he conceives of his job as being. And that becomes a division between him and Cal. And it is a specific conflict about a more general conflict. Cal's contention that it's a bad treaty flies in the face of Ben Sisko's Starfleet idealism. Right. So, the gold shirt that planted the bomb is like reading the mall directory down on the promenade, like looking like how do I get to the sky lounge or whatever, and a Vulcan

woman comes up to him to also read the, you know, give the appearance of also reading the directory, but actually to tell him that they've like arranged for transport and he just has to lay low for a couple of days before they get him off the space station. So a co-conspirator. This Vulcan lady's name is Sikona, and she runs over to Quarks not long after to hit him up about a business arrangement she's trying to make happen. She is so slick in the in the mall directory scene and so not slick in the talking to Quark about how to buy a bunch of guns scene. Right? I thought

the same thing. Like in the writers room, they really took a hard left when they got to the next scene with this character about what she's all about. You get decades of Vulcan history believing that you know what Vulcans are like. And then you get one TNG app where a Vulcan is trying to assemble a death weapon out of artifacts. And like the damn breaks and all of a sudden you're getting some really different style

Vulcans and Sikona is one of them. Yeah, Vulcans who are down to fuck, Verangie. Yeah. She doesn't reveal that she's down to fuck immediately, I should say. Like Kork is putting the moves on and initially she seems fairly resistant to the idea, but he does arrange a dinner date at which they can talk about this deal. She's awkward in the way she articulates business,

but it's also just, she demonstrates that lack of worldliness that looks like she doesn't really know when she's being hit on. Right. Yeah, but I feel like people know when they're being hit on, right? Like, you act like you don't know you're being hit on to defray how much being hit on you were getting, right? Yeah, that's fair.

I don't know. I mean, like, also, I sort of wonder, because the scene where she like specifically like gives him the laundry list of weapons that she wants is at the bar later. I feel like maybe if he hadn't been so smart me in this first scene, the suggestion would have been, like, why don't we get dinner in a private place?

But maybe she wants to do it in a public place because she's a little bit worried about what his intentions are. That's fair. That's in pretty good head cannon. I don't know. That's me carrying water for the writers more than it is head cannon. So, right after this, we see our little terrorist buddy heading to his safe house. And it's some of those, we've met these aliens before.

I don't know, I don't remember what they're called, but they've got the kind of like octagonal headdresses. Right. And they appear to be working for their cardacias because one of them does the classic drop her purse gambit. because one of them does the classic drop her purse gambit. And this is a nice guy, this terrorist. So he stops to help her put the stuff back in the purse and somebody come hypospraise him and they drag him out of there. I mean, he may be a terrorist, but he's not a monster.

He may have just murdered 75 people, but he's not gonna let a lady, you know, let her compact mirror roll around on the floor. Sure. He's still a gentleman. Yeah, so, uh, Cisco heads back to his apartment and, uh, he's like, surprised you find that instead of Jake, there is only DuCott there.

Jacob! Your son is not here, Commander. He's rightfully surprised and do cats like yeah I mean I don't want to alarm you or anything but I was a non-registered stow away on a ship and I just like sort of slunk my way through the cargo bay and broken to your house I don't know whether this says more about how great DuCott is at spycraft or how terrible Odo might be at security. Right, because at this point a guy just got abducted, a nefarious villain is in the station commander's headquarters and Quark is arranging an arms deal. Odo, nowhere to be fast. And a ship just blew up.

My first job was in a grocery store. And at every cash register, there was a tiny laminated sheet of little pictures of the president, CEO, CFO, like Board of Directors of the grocery store company, so that we would know if anyone had come through, like, so you're on alert for certain people at a grocery store. Deep Space 9, not prescribing to any sort of grocery store style security. I had a friend in college who lived in one of the dorms, but was persona non grata at a different dorm,

and they had a picture of him at the security desk. So if he came in and tried to like go to somebody's room for a party or something, they would just be like, sorry sir, you're not welcome here. If there's one person you need to look out for on deep space nine. And if you could only pick one, it's gotta be called a cut, right? Right. Yeah. Gotta be. Have you seen this man? Cisco is pretty freaked out about his presence here in his quarters and starts like getting on the radio and asking about where his son is. And do cats like, Hey, hey man, that's so, so uncool. I'm just breaking into your house. I'm not abducting your son.

He's like really offended. How dare you. I'm totally feeling him on this too. Like, there is honor among thieves and cardacions, I feel like. And that is a step that he will not take. Yeah, but also like the first thing he said to Cisco, your son is not here.

Like, yeah. But as he thinks Cisco is gonna interpret that as meaning. That's pretty threatening. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Just, I thought it was a very funny scene. Go to cut, to cut, go to cut. So, you know, to cut, I think in previous episodes, has been kind of the face of Cardassia.

And in this episode, it's kind of revealed that he is a bit playing his own game. Like he is not always in lockstep with the Cardassian government's wishes. And sometimes is kind of advancing his own agenda. And I think this episode really cements that as being the case. What I really like about what DeCotte is doing

and how he's doing it is it feels like a very back channel, cruise jjev, Kennedy relationship developing here, where there is the company line that Starfleet has, there's the Makhi line. And then there are the people that actually have to operate the machinery, the machines of diplomacy here. And sometimes they need to have those conversations secretly in Cisco's apartment, for instance.

And I think that's cool. Kael Hudson has basically told DuCott and Cisco that they're going to flunk history unless they can figure out the whole situation with weapons being smuggled to cardacians and the Mayquees and all of that stuff. Guys, the report had better be something very special. The cop proposes a road trip and that road trip is...

Yeah, first they go to the Circle K and they meet George Carlin, but then they go on a trip. Your academic knowledge at this movie is... Is frustrating me, Ben. Do not have that? your academic knowledge of this movie is... Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Not here then? No. I'll stop. I'll stop. I want to have fun with you. Not at you. No one's ever said that to me before. Bill, what strange things are a foot at the Circle K? There's not a lot of time to do everything that they need to do in this episode.

And one of the things that I wish there were time for is just the idea of Cisco telling anyone at the station that he will be taking a run about with Galdacat to parts unknown. Like, because what happens is you cut from Cisco's condo to the run about basically without that intermediate scene that includes the absurdity that connects the two points. And I would have really appreciated the look on Kira's face

had like, because Cisco doesn't need to ask. Cisco is the daddy who loans out the car keys on that station. But I feel like you got to tell someone where you're going and with who, if you're a commander Cisco. I mean, they got to know where to look for you if you go missing, right?

Right. So that doesn't happen, and you cut to them on the road, and they're headed to the Volon colonies on DuKatz's suggestion. There's some fun stuff in this. Like, one of the things is that DuKatz, all of DuKatz's instrument panels have been turned off,

so they're just the like black screens without any blips and bloops on them. And he takes great umbrage at that. I love the idea that like the runabout is like a driver's-ed car with pedals and wheel on both sides. Yeah, totally. And Cisco like disengages the passenger side break. Yeah, we get some cool Cardassian backstory here too,

because one of the reasons that Cisco says that he doesn't want to turn on the blinking lights in front of Ducatus because famously, Cardassians have a photographic memory. Yeah, I mean, that makes them, that makes, that gives a, a certain scaryness to their villainy. Mm-hmm.

And it also, like, I think there's a ton of work done on what Cardassians are like in this episode. Another thing is that Jocat says that Cisco is like, one of the most joyless humans he's ever met. And it's like coming from a Cardassian that's insane. Also, like the way Mark Alamo plays it is perfect. He brings just just enough joy to be plausible, but not so much that it's like, give me a fucking break.

Like this is a different character, all of a sudden. To Kat clearly doesn't know anything about fuck bokeh. For him to have said that to Ben Sisko. Yeah, if only. But that's so true though, right? Like, if they're only facetiming each other when a situation is tense and they're trying to like resolve it and save face

and et cetera, et cetera. Ducat can be forgiven for thinking that Cisco is all business and no fun and vice versa. It's, look, it's not unlike the work face you put on at work and the play face you put on when you get home from work. Like there are different versions of yourself that you will allow people to see. Right. What I think Cisco takes greatest umberage in is that like, Ducat could think that he knows

the entire Benzisco. And he does not. He does not. He does not. Oh, hi, Mark. But what Ducot does is, is Leans over, Pensis goes panel and shows him a new Palm game

that involves a couple of shuttle sized codacian ships and a Starfleet merchant ship. There's some set tripping in the Demilitarized Zone. And everybody has bigger guns on their ships than seem to really make sense. Right. They seem to have like cheat code guns, right? Like way earlier in the level than you should possibly have them. Right. And it looks like they're about to come to blows. So Ben Sisko sets off at a zesty warp three to go try and get in there and referee this situation a little bit.

We don't have the budget for us getting there any earlier. Yeah, so instead of them getting there in time, a different unknown federation ship gets there in time, shoot some Pac-Man blips at the Cartesian bleeps and and bloops them right out of existence. Yeah, I mean, you really feel the grief when you see that blip blip away, upstream. Yeah, you just think about all those all those lives wasted. You cut from that scene of of spaceship murder to a scene in Quark's bar depicting the date that he's on. The date that he believes he's on with Sikona. Yeah.

And the business dealing that Sikona believes she's having with Quark. Yeah. He's got a full spread. He's just got the works going. All of the great Vulcan food stuffs and beverages are ready for consumption. He really splashed out. Sikona's a healthy drinker too. Yeah. She really knocked that port back.

Quark's buoyancy here changes quite a bit when any almost spit takes when Sikona arrives at the point where it's time to ask for what she wants business-wise. And it is guns, Ben. Lots and lots of guns. Guns, phaser banks, photon torpedoes, troop transports, and a number of cobalt thorium devices. My list is quite extensive. I feel like he should have asked her if she's a cop. Right. You have to tell me that's a rule.

And it is like, it is not just a few guns, it is a war-fighting amount of weaponry here. That really takes him back. This may be the most erotic thing that has ever happened at Quark because it's a woman that he's sexually interested in asking him to set up a situation where he's going to be making tons of money on an ongoing basis as As she funds her war right she says she's got that Latin them and that's all that needs to be said He's game We smash cut to Cisco and do cut kind of barging in on an argument between Gully Vack and some colonists.

Like they're in just some conference room somewhere and they come in like with, you know, information about this attack they've just observed. Kind of a step up for Gully Vec. Last time we saw him, he was giving O'Brien tips on how to exterminate voles. Yeah, he was answering phones for the extermination company. Yeah, and now he's sort of holding court with regard to this this palm game we saw earlier. I think they hope, I think that Cisco and DuCott hope that this is going to

kind of like calm the situation down, but what in fact happens is that the Cardassians play a confession video like a, you know, soldier captured by North Korea Confession video where he says like I'm being treated well and I'm video where he says like I'm being treated well and I'm apologizing for my imperialist incursion and killing innocent cardacians. And here's today's paper. Right, yeah.

And that's our male pattern baldness yellow shirt guy. Yeah. A lot has made about whether or not this confession might have been coerced. But they roll. And he says he's well treated and then like 35 seconds later, they bring his body under a blanket. My favorite part of this scene is knowing that for the entire meeting, there are two cardacians holding that body in a cot, like waiting for their cue to enter. Yeah, waiting outside the room and the the secretary is probably sitting there like,

what's that? And they're like, don't worry about it. They're like shifting their weight and like trying to hold with one hand and the other. Like, it's not an insignificant amount of weight to hold for a long time. Yeah. Gell Hudson knew this guy and knew him to be a farmer,

like a guy who was just kind of a salt of the earth, good dude who wanted to, wanted to continue to live on the land that he lived on for 20 years, but now it's owned by the Kardashians. And in spite of him having the name of a serial killer, like they always call him William Patrick Samuels. Yeah. That's not a good look. You never want three names when you dive in. No, that's bad. That's not a good look. You're probably going to get three names when you dive though. Benjamin R. Harris and Sounds like a serial killer. If it makes the news. If I kill somebody, they'll use

my real middle name. Oh, why would hope so. But I don't think they're going to do that because I'm probably not going to kill somebody. Yeah. Too much work. This is driving a wedge further between Kale Hudson and Cisco. And he leaves and goes back to Deepfase 9 with his his good time buddy, Goldu-Cott. And Goldu-Cott is like, yeah, I knew that they killed that guy. I knew all about that shit.

Like, I've been lying to you about what I know the entire time. Ooh, that's gotta be so irritating. But this is classic to cut, right? Like, this is the to cut you think you were gonna get the whole time. Right. And I think there's a line in this episode that like the Kardashians never show you, like

what they're showing you is never what's really there. Yeah. Or whatever. So it's a little bit akin to the always the game of chess with the Romulans line. Yeah. Like I like the summing up a species that that does because the Gerdasians are a bad guy, halian. And knowing what kind of bad guy they are helps you think about what their role will be.

You're right, Ben. Stereotypes are very useful. It is discovered by O'Brien. I am Chief Miles Edward O'Brien. This is fucking spectacular. And others feels like a way late in the episode that the implosion device was a Starfleet design. Yeah indeed.

And Sisko already knows this. He doesn't need to be told by O'Brien. He is flailing at this point. Having just gotten off of the run about, he walks into his office where Kira is there to meet him. And they have an interaction that feels pretty heated. Yeah, and it's kind of the fight that they've always had. I feel like Cisco here doesn't even care

that Kira is in the room. He needs to monologize this. He needs to just get this out, this pressure that's built up in him. He's got to say this shit about Starfleet. He's been, I think he's kind of holding on to his faith by a thread, you know. They get into a fairly heated argument about the status of the mission and then at the end, Cisco reverse lowers her. Totally thought about Madler. Like he fucking hits a button on his desk and the doors

opens the door. Yeah, the implication being oh, Kira I didn't know you were there. You may go Yeah, I think in in Starfleet you have the button that opens the door but no button to close the door Yeah, cuz because any kind of security or locking mechanism is unknown to them. Right. It's the fight they've always had. It's the don't trust the cardacians. Don't think that a treaty is going to make them good guys.

Don't think that they're going to become allies after this. He does not need to hear that right now. Like his seeing his friends and Federation citizens slip away from him and that kills him. It's a good scene for Avery Brooks. It's a good scene for Nana Visitor. Like I like it when they're heated up at each other. It's good TV. Yeah, it's good TV and it's followed by a scene

where Gildu Katt gets abducted from his apartment. Like they come and say, hey, there's some cardacians here and Cisco wants you to see them and we're gonna go to an airlock and meet him. I was kind of ready for them to just like shove him into the airlock and depressurize it and blow him out into space. Alien Queen him him with how these

Make-wee's Terrace look. I was expecting them to sign dukkad up for Extension courses at the local community college Hey, have you ever considered doing summer stage Shakespeare stuff any of that? It's hard to take them seriously when they all look like adjunct professors, like wearing woolen sweater vests. Yeah, and like way too baggy of pants. Yeah. They clearly live in the wood paneled apartments of deep space nine. They all have elbow patches and but they really kick to cats ass here. Shoot him in the back. They get it.

I mean, he attempts to knock them all out like he fully punches the vulcan lady in the face, which is, you know, a little bit upsetting, but I guess in the context can be that would really horrify male pattern baldness barkly. Yeah, but he did. Yeah. Long, long, long, sweet, long, long. I think the next scene is Cisco getting the ass chewing that he totally deserves from the Starfleet brass.

Like, everybody's an opt watching him through the window. Just get yelled at on FaceTime. I love this. Yeah, and he comes out and it is like a full like shit flows downhill scene where he's standing up at the top of that landing just yelling shit at all of them like, like, Odo, reveal all of our security procedures. This is some fucking bullshit.

Kira, where are these make-weece? What's going on? Like, where's the ship that DuCott is on? Like, how do we find it? And they narrow it down to like, there's one potential ship that he's on, and it's like a, by any means, necessary situation.

They're gonna go get their dude back, even though he's a bad guy and not really their dude. The Death Spuster Club they assemble is Cisco. It's Keith. They're heavy hitters. And it's Bishir, who the moment he appeared on screen made me say, oh, it's Dr. Bishir. Remember that guy?

He's in this episode. I mean, I guess he's there in case DuKat's been injured. Yeah, I think that's smart. And also, there are chances of it being a good mission are increased with Bashir on the team instead of O'Brien who has had a run of really bad luck lately He's like the black cat you don't want to to bring in the run about right? Yeah, he's like when you're like down a point and this and this batter comes out onto when you're like down a point and this and this batter comes out onto the plate. Everybody's like, fuck, come on. Why did he have to be the next on the lineup? You just described my entire junior high

baseball career. It me, Adam. Ben, when they beam down to the class M asteroid it is revealed to be the arsenal of freedom place it. Yeah they head to a region of the Cardassian border called the Badlands and it's not that bad if lands it's very lush it's you know Ace Garden Center exploded onto this planet. Looks pretty humid though you got the fog machines turned up a little bit. Yeah, but the second they beam down like there's guys running around with with rifles and uh, they get the drop on them. It's not just make quees that get the drop on them at them. It is cowl hudson out of uniform. Cowl making a look cutest like entrance stepping into frame. The show failing to give us the dun dun duns of a best of both worlds part one. But the episode ties up into this crescendo and it

to be continued. A T B C, fun one. Did you like the episode Adam? It's hard to commit given that this is just part one. But I do like what I'm seeing when we talk about shading the Starfleet universe here. I like that there's some interstarfleet conflict. I love Cal. Give me more Cal.

That guy is great. Calhuts an A plus character. If a character can make an episode great, I'm I will go see Cal as the as the car commercial goes. This is 71 Pontiac Firebird, the full price $900. He's a delight. And his relationship with Cisco as being an undergirding of the greater conflict throughout is great storytelling. I love it. I love that there's a little bit of personal and a little bit of professional going on here.

And it's got me interested in seeing the second half. What about you, Ben? Yeah, I really like the episode. I think that it's setting up a challenge that kind of goes to the core of Cisco's values. And that's like the episodes of TNG that do that for Picard are always great. And it's like a good formula, you know,

like force a character to confront their own beliefs and you know, tell us whether they're or four or five lights. Yeah. And I think that it also just puts like, I mean, we knew about the Mayquees from TNG. And I think that it also just puts, like, I mean, we knew about the Mayquise from TNG, and I think that this may be the first time they are in terms of the timeline of the show, the first time we hear about the Mayquise anywhere in the Star Trek universe. Yeah.

But it's fun to put like a new villain on the board. So, yeah, I liked it. Then it's decided we like it Ben you want to see if we have any priority one messages getting a boner for priority one messages Priority one message from star fleet coming in on secured channel Need a supplement Stop a little Yeah, it's extra.

But the interest alone could be enough to buy this ship. Adam, we've got a personal priority one message here. It's from Rick and Annie. It's to Ali and Emily. It goes like this. What a cliffhanger. Hudson was a make-wiss. Make-wiss?

Shocker. Thank you, Ali, for introducing us to this to this pod Emily for tickets to the Cleveland show and both of you for being cool sisters with close birthdays we're in France looking for some vintage chateau picot and avoiding an angry man shouting caronaries is a walk criminal anyways happy birthdays it's a double There are no recess at all, criminal! Anyways, happy birthday. It's a double birthday. Boy, am I ever glad that you got to read that, Ben. And what a great message. Like, I love ones that are timed specifically

for the episode that we watched. That's good planning by them. Specific episodes, specific timing on the birthday as well. Specific planning. Bad French accent. I'm gonna say good French accent, Ben. I think you do a particularly great one. You little sound, so.

Our second priority one message is of a personal nature that is from Andy. It is for Ben and Adam. And the message goes like this, hey, Ben and Adam. I've got nothing funny to say. So please can you do an impression of what you think mourn would sound like? Thanks.

This sounds like a very review formatted question, right? Like that. Comedy Central Show review. T.J. Lee. Yeah, which is one of the great shows ever made. But, but like often those those propositions are phrased in this way. Like, you think I'm going to ask you about this, but instead I'm going to ask you about this. I'm curious about cocaine. Why don't you do it, develop a problem, and then tell me about it. What do you think Morn sounds like?

I mean, I'm, he's a Muppet. So, in my head, he's got a very like, Jim Hanson or Frank Oz kind of voice, like, like, uh... Like, sweetums? Quark, would you come over here and give me a drink? Like, something like that? Yeah, like, in the Muppet universe, he's got the bottom hinged mouth that opens up a drawbridge.

And so there are certain voices associated with the drawbridge mouth. And I think super deep is probably where it's at. But also, I think it wouldn't surprise me at all if he had a very high-pitched Nasally voice like one Adam Pranika even oh, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I mean like It could be like more more up here

Quarant check out this dick. I love that he would be a henchman from Venture Brothers. That's awesome. That's not really familiar with that program. That should totally be what he sounds like. Hahaha. I mean, I kind of feel like I'm doing a voice for my dog, you know, in a way, in a way where like I'm putting something on his personality that he has no way of defending. I guess.

Right. I could see, you know, he moves around so slowly. I could see him being a real e or type too, you know. Sure. Like, like it takes him a thousand years to get out of his drink order like a cork. Could you please get me your menu? That's just probably what your Kevin Uxbridge sounds like when somebody who customarily listens to our show on 2x listens to it at regular speed. Well if you're listening on 2x, you're wrong? Man of yours. Yeah if you're listening on 2X, you're wrong. It's just a span of years. Yeah, if you're interested in sending us

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And so while I can, I want to recognize Cal with the drunk Chamoda. I mean, he is, he is a K.I. agent, but he's masquerading as big starfleet. Hey, yeah, he is, he's chaotic, neutral in lawful good clothing. Yeah, and I really like that. You don't get that too often in a Star Trek show, and he really lives in that role very well. Like, what's great about him is that when he bursts onto the scene, he is 1,000% charisma, and so you love him right away, which is what makes the surprise at the end so painful.

Like, ah, not Cal. Like even though it telegraphs the turn, like fairly early on too. I think it hurts because you like him. You don't want him to be bad, but he is. If you don't love this character, this doesn't hit as hard as it does, but he really makes you love him. Yeah, if he is just a neutral party, if he is just Joe Starfleet, old Ben Sisko's friend, and you don't really get a read off of him, you don't care at all in that last scene, but I think he does such a great job, charismaticly early on. Yeah, he just has great screen chemistry with every Brooks. Like they really sell that they are old friends that were like in the academy together graduated together and The the betrayal that that evokes in Cisco when he finds out where Hudson is actually at politically. Yeah, is

All the more impactful because of that. He's a special guest star. Bernie Casey said that he was not interested in doing Deep Space Nine, but he did it so that he could work with Avery Brooks who he admired quite a bit as an actor, which I think is a pretty fun reason to do the show at all. Like, I don't know if I feel like doing this,

but oh, get to work with that guy. Couple of awesome scenes together. Yeah. What about you, Ben? Who's your drunk Shimoda? My drunk Shimoda is Gully Beck, and it is for that scene where he has the guys waiting outside with the body the entire time. I just, I laughed when that happened, and I wrote it down, like,

Gull Effect, that is fucking hilarious. I, you know that there's a scene that they won't show where Gull Effect is talking to those guys and it's like, look, I don't know if you ever watch like courtroom drama television, but you're just gonna have to believe me when you burst through those doors, it is, Listen, have you guys ever seen the staircase? Yeah. Yeah. me when you burst through those doors it is yeah yeah yeah respect for Gullavik there for like

taking the time he's got all of that he knows how to play it for drama what do we have coming up on the next episode the next episode is season two episode 21 the make we's part two episode 21, The Make-Wease Part 2, Cisco and Gilducat join forces in an effort to a verbal war between the Kardashians and a group of Federation colonists less led by Cisco's old friend. And of course our friends at Netflix always have a way of describing these things as well. And in this case, they describe it as the Makewies Part 2, Cisco, Kira and Bashir are held in a Makewies camp, but Galducada is not there. Related to the first one, like, I feel like an easy pitch for any

show or movie is like, what happens when we pair two unlikely allies? Yeah. And that's what we're gonna get. Yeah, it's a real, it's like a buddy cop team up where one is a straight chute and fresh out of the academy rookie and the other one does not play by the rules but it gets results. Indeed, Ben. Oh, indeed.

Well, that'll be next week. Do you wanna find out how, if any, way we will be doing that show, Adam? Oh, boy. Ben, it looks like we're on square 65. You're required to learn as you play. Roll. 65, it is. We could hit a corks bar if we roll

erensely or well if depending on how you look at it. How many shake this up and roll it? Why don't you? Oh, I'm a rei! Ah! Shit Adam, I rolled a three. Ha ha ha. Drink the antidote. I roll the three. That means our next episode is from the vantage point of square 68, a quirk's bar.

Oh, goodie. Do you know what you might be drinking for that episode, Adam? Well, I think I do. I think I have a great idea of what I'll be drinking. So we've never done this, like, like, give the people ahead of time a thing to drink along with. Do you want to, do we want to go out of our way and do that? I'm planning on drinking some Kazamigo's miscal, which is my new favorite miscal from, from our pal, George Clooney. I didn't think that i would

well i've formerly of george cluny right didn't he sell it for like four billion dollars did he divest his signatures on the label i think he sold it for like a shit ton of money and uh... man uh... you're two ago gotta say even if he's out of the game uh... what remains is a very tasty bottle so I think I'm at least going to start with that then probably back it up with a couple beers. Right on.

What about you? I could do that hang. I've got a bottle of bozal mezcal that I shared a glass of that with you when you were here and I've been really enjoying that so I'm going to be all do the mezcal and Mexican import beer hang as well. Yeah, that bozal is great stuff. So yeah, that's all by way of saying we're not angling for sponsorship, but if you work at a distillery that produces fine mezcal, I don't think we would kick any of that out a bit.

No, we would fuck the shit out of that, Muskel. Alright, that'll be the next episode. In the meantime, you can talk to us online. There is the greatest gen hashtag on Twitter where Adam is at Cut for Time and I am at Benjamin R, A-H-R. Think twice before you click Send, because we are humans with feelings and things that only seem mildly insulting to you

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It's just a giant, giant thing, so. It's fairly relentless, and, uh, that is like, please do not take it personally if we can't get to it. It's just like, uh, not enough hours in a day, in a day kind of an issue. Yeah. And we'd like to focus as much of our time as we can on making a really fun podcast. So thank you for everybody that's in stuff in. And especially if you have thoughts that you'd like to share about the show or just personal experience you want to relate.

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