The Greatest Generation - Chakotay Butt (VOY S3E15)

Episode Date: March 7, 2022

When it’s talent show day on Voyager, Janeway and Chakotay are the only ones who remember the loop. But when a pushy family member invites Janeway to a presentation about the afterlife, the strife she’s made to endure means there will be hell to pay. What’s the best-case scenario for being stuck in a time loop forever? Should a captain ever be in the venue after doors? Is there any attendance-optional meeting worth going to? It’s the episode that puts the important information in the parentheses! Exchange scarves for goods at PodShop.bizSupport the production of The Greatest Generation.  Friends of DeSoto for Democracy.Friends of DeSoto for Justice.Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Caretaker!Music by Adam Ragusea & Dark MateriaFollow The Greatest Generation on Twitter, and discuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen!The Greatest Generation is now regularly streaming on Twitch.Facebook group | Subreddit | Discord | WikiSign up for our mailing list!

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Bringing what the U.S. is for Captain Captain Captain. Welcome to the greatest generation of the Star Trek podcast by a couple of guys just a little bit embarrassed to have a Star Trek podcast. I'm Adam Pranaka. A couple of guys who are going to have heads that feel like steel drums tomorrow because this is a Coco No-no episode another Coco No-no

incredible Coco No-no it's a hell of a combination drink will be gone I think it's had enough already this is gonna help me another Coco No-no whole shit

another Coco No-no Coco No-no Coco No-no more Another Cocoa Nono. Full shot. Another Cocoa Nono. Cocoa Nono. More. Is it better? What? I thought I was pretty clear in the slack that I wasn't going to be able to do the drinking. I've got a very important workout coming up this afternoon that I planned for.

I moved up the record. I was like, hey, can we move up the record? Uh huh. Because I'm going to hop on the bike and I'm going to do a special ride with a bunch of my friends on the peloton. Hashtag Jim Shimoda. And you're saying, you can't have a couple of

teaky drinks before riding a stationary bike inside? For a hot moment, I thought, maybe I'd like to know what that was like. But then I thought better of it instead in the slack. I'm scrolling back through the slack trying to find this. Oh, you put it in like parentheses in the middle of like 10 other pieces of information about different days where we would record different things? I don't know about you, Ben, but whenever I see parentheses,

I read that part first. It's like math. This is insane. You can't just... You read the parentheses first, Ben. What's that quote about betrayal that it hurts because it comes from your friends, not your enemy? Yeah.

Jesus, fucking Christ. I have two drinks mixed. I got out the smuggler's cove cocktail book. I mixed drinks. I went, I left my house to buy ingredients for drinks, Adam. Me and the rest of the viewers at home can see two beautiful, teaky drinks on the table behind you. God, look at those things.

I'm so envious. I chose poorly. You're gonna work out instead of do this with me. Yeah, that was dumb. What the fuck, Adam? That was really dumb. First thing I have to drink today is a daisy de Santiago, which is a Cuban cocktail. An ounce of fresh lime juice, one and a half teaspoons of Demerara syrup, ounce of seltzer, half ounce of yellow short truce, and one and a half ounces of blended lightly aged rum. Garnish for the minstrig atom. And then I was at the grocery store and I saw young coconuts and I said, oh perfect for a cocoa no-no. I'm gonna get one of those, take it home, open it up,

dump out the coconut water. Maybe I'll drink that after a workout that I do after we record this, this thing that is our job. But in its place, I will fill it with a hotel nasional special cocktail, which is three or four chunks of pineapple. Three quarter ounces of fresh lime juice, half an ounce of demorarecer, of your muddle those together, then you add a half ounce of apricot liqueur, get the natural stuff guys, and an ounce and a half of blended, lightly aged rum. You shake that together,

strain it over fresh ice in your coconut of choice. I double strained because there's so much pulp from muddling that pineapple. You don't wanna strain too hard, Ben. Yeah, that's how you get a hemorrhoid. Yeah, I'll end up putting in one of those mesh screens. So I'm doing the show today. I'm doing what we rolled.

I'm following the dictates of the board. I guess it's a good thing we have that rain check drop that we made one time. Ben, I am racked with guilt. Jinjin, buddy. I'll drink to that. And the feeling is absolutely killing me. Welcome to the greatest generation. I'm not a fan of the U.S. I'm a fan of the U.S. I'm a fan of the U.S. I'm a fan of the U.S. I'm a fan of the U.S. I'm a fan of the U.S.

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that I died. I'm like the U-I-S-S-S-4-H. Captain Captain Captain, bring the U-I-S-S-4-H. Captain Captain Captain Captain. Welcome to the greatest generation. It's a Star Trek podcast by a couple of guys. Just a little bit. I feel like we've done this before. Yeah, this is...

We've done this already, haven't we? I think this, I think people are picking up on this bit. Ha-ha-ha-ha. The only way for me to correct the timeline is to probably pour myself a drink knowing that I will be exerting myself greatly. Yeah, and Just 90 minutes from now As I said in an earlier time loop we do have Captain Captain, where the U.S. is? Do it Captain Captain.

Welcome to the greatest generation. It's a statured podcast by... Okay, I gotta get at this out quick because I keep dying. As I said in a previous time loop, we do have the the rain jack drop. My proposal is that you have to cocoa know-no some future episode to make up for this gross miscarriage of justice. I think that is a... Welcome to the greatest generation.

It's a Star Trek podcast by a couple of guys. Oh, there's is so annoying! You don't remember the parentheses? Where I explicitly stated that I could do a coconut-no-episode but I don't remember us having a drop that calls for a rain check. The- We have that? We too, we have a rain check drop. It's in the folder.

Yeah, you always drink alone. Oh, love it! It's the antidote. Warrior's drink. Ah, ah lemon! It's antidote. Warrior's drink. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. I'm sorry if I've ended our friendship. I'm sorry if I ended our friendship. My favorite part of this slack thread

that I've been scrolling back through is the part where you said, I don't want to compromise something that's need to do with something that's a want to do. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Welcome to the greatest generation. It's Star Trek podcast by a couple of guys just a little bit embarrassed about having the Star Trek podcast. I'm Anna Pranika. I'm Ben Harrison. Give me mouth to mouth, dude. Give it to me right now. We've resuscitated the Marin long enough to make it to the episode we have today. I'm almost done with my first cocktail, you know. We've been in this Marin for so long.

I've kind of settled into it in a lot of ways. That's kind of the dream of any time loop for you, I bet. It's just the ability to endlessly drink. If I was on Nielix's holiday program in a time loop, I think that'd be pretty nice. Hey, here's a question. After how many drinks would you want to be time-loop drunk, like permanently, forever? Like this is sort of another round question based on that movie that we really like

called Another Round. Yeah, yeah. They in that film thought one drink initially was the nice bass line. Right. I have a feeling that's not gonna be your answer though. Yeah, I don't know. If it's a would you rather, I don't know if I would go with drunk, because like David after dentist, I don't want to think that this is forever.

I think three drinks is a nice drunk. It is a nice drunk. It's good. Well Adam, do you want to get into the episode that I came prepared to watch today and you did not? That's right. It's a Star Trek Voyager Season 3 episode 16 blood fever. What? Oh man, so many people just had a panic attack. It's Star Trek Voyager Season 3 episode 15, Koda. This episode starts with, you know, that awkward water cooler conversation, you know, after two people have, I mean, they

did this in TNG, right? The moment between data and YAR after they naked now. But it's artificial. It doesn't feel artificial. This is sort of what they're going for in this scene, right? Between Nielix and the captain. Captain, you were asleep. Good last night. Thanks, Nielix.

It's been a while. She had to sleep in the hydraulic fluid spot. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Yeah, I mean, it sounds like there was a big sex party last night, but Tuvak is not invited to the next one. Our secret, Nelix. The comedy is in what isn't being said. It's like jazz, baby. I don't like Nelix sneak attacking, Janeway and a corridor like this.

When you're the captain, you're the biggest celebrity on the crew. Oh, yeah. Do you think Janeway ever puts on a trucker hat and sunglasses and a hooded sweatshirt and just tries to go get coffee and not get a spot blown up? I'm not comparing us to one of the great captains in Starfleet. But I will say, when we'll do live shows and stuff, you got to be careful when you're out in the venue, especially after doors, right? And it feels like Janeway is always in the venue after doors.

That's the vibe. Yeah, yeah. Someone's always going to want to ask her about something, or... Right. Yeah. The venues where there's no backstage bathrooms, they have to go to the bathroom in front of house and It's not even that you like don't want to see the people it's that it's like a little bit awkward because you're in like a headspace Getting ready to go on stage. Yeah

Yeah, and if you only have time for that pre-show dump and One person comes up to talk to you and then while you're stopped another one comes up to talk to you Oh, yeah another and another and so on and so on You know how these things go pretty soon you're gonna be taking a half dub have you thought about closing the door when you do that Adam Remember the venue that Rob had us play in Missouri. Yeah, whatever that place was great No doors on those bathrooms. The backstage bathroom had like a cowboy solune style, flappy door.

So if you need to sit to do your business, that's all anyone we see in. Yeah. I had to deploy the very rare stand and shit when you were there. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. High altitude deployment. Yeah, you saw that in one of those mission Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Adam or at least one of us isn't because one of us doesn't fulfill his commitments. And that's not Janeway's way.

She's committed to helping me, Lex, keep TuVak away from the next party, wink, wink, nudge, and she's committed to being one of two senior officers that go on a away mission on a shuttle craft outside of communications range with the ship for some reason. That was how poorly two-vac behaved at this party. She needs to leave the ship. Man, do you think that Janeway and Chicoce are just trying to get away in a way where they can't be bothered, just like the two of them off together? Nobody can radio them and realize they're in the same room kind of thing.

I think we've talked about this quality before to like having a workplace wife or husband. Like often when you work in a workplace for a long time, you form strong bonds with people where often you will like go and do things work related because like it's more fun to do those things with that person. Yeah, with the person you enjoy the company of. Right. Or in this case, it's not a work thing, it's a... We got so riled up by that sex party we were at. Now we want to go just like throw that energy into each other. Oh yeah. I bet two bucks really good at spin the bottle.

Like I bet he just hits his target every time. Mm-hmm. Jakote is complimenting Janeway on her performance at this ex party, remarking on how flexible and dexterous she was. Yeah, very life. So bendy. But what would Jakote's talent be? Do you think?

Because Janeway throws this shit right back at him and he's like, look, we're gonna be doing this kind of thing on the reg. Yeah. It's sort of like fight club, right? Yeah. Like, if you wanna be a participant in Voyager Club, you gotta perform.

Right. Can I check out that? It must be some talent you have that people wouldn't enjoy. Sounds great. I'm coming to Chico Tei. It's sad. I think this is very head-ro-normative,

but it seems like Chico Tei is only really developed the skill of throwing the hammer. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft.

You know. Is that like making a hammer out of clay using that spinny table? So that means? Yeah. I'm trying to pick up what you're putting down, but I don't get it, Ben. What is throwing the hammer? Is that a dick joke? Yeah, it's a sex party joke.

I don't go to many sex parties, man. I make a joke that Chicoete is like a bull. Go ahead. Me getting up and finding people in perform, I don't think so. So they're talking about some of the other performances at this party and it's all the innuendo, right? It's like the oboe was really solid.

Maybe Chicoete could like do something with accuracy at the next one. Sure. Maybe there's there's something trauma based he could do like having to do with like a bunch of needles and weights or something. Maybe I could phasor it off. Sounds great. So they're heading down to this planet to... What, I'm the only one interested in pain? I mean, I'm not, I'm not trying to yuck your young Adam.

It was just a surprise that you brought it up that way. I've just got jackass movies on the mind. That's all. They don't get too far down the road of this conversation before their shuttle is struck by lightning. Yeah. Which is a fact that comes as a surprise to me because I didn't know that they were that low into the atmosphere at this point. I thought they were just cruising around into space.

Yeah. But they have started their initial descent. And unlike a commercial airliner in 2022, lightning is enough to take a shuttle to the ground. Yeah, I thought they were past this. Yeah, so it's a very bumpy ride. There's gas leaking into the compartment. The respirators drop from the ceiling and chainways.

Like, those things are bullshit. Don't put them on. To go to his like, you want to make out or something? He was like, this is it. Yeah, to go to the whips it out and start beating off because he wants to be happy on his way out. Yeah. God, that would be the worst.

You're on a plane that's going down and you think that maybe it'll be at a bunch of sweet moments like strangers holding hands, people doing their prayers or whatever, maybe some smooches. Some fucking asshole just starts jacking it. That's not the last thing I wanna see before my plane crashes into a mountain fuck that.

Be considerate of the people around you when you know death is imminent, okay? Hey, here's a recommendation. If you're going down on a plane and it's masks out, put a mask on your dog. I don't want to see that. I don't want to see that at all. Yeah, mask up. Get the fuck out of here. We come back from the break and the captain is on the floor of the shuttlecraft, passed out. She kind of seems dead.

Sounds great. I get to be captain. And all the yelling and shaking is not waking her up. No. That's how you know things are really bad. Yeah, Chico Te is trying to administer shots and, you know, trying to do like a Baywatch routine on her. But it's not looking good.

The computer tells him to get the hell out of the shuttle. It's two full of gas. Hydrazine. So he's got to pick her up like Baywatch style, really. Yeah. Drags are too safety in a nearby canyon and gets her resuscitated. I thought Kate Mulgroo did a great dead woman in his arms. Like she really like it let her head flop back in a way that looked really uncomfortable. Rarely has the breath of

life felt more romantic than this. I got real galorenden core vibes from this planet. Great call. Very smoky and dark and lightningy. You know what I like about this scene starting here is how fucked up Janeway is. Like Chicoete describes, you know, you're probably going to be messed up in a couple of these ways. And then Janeway is like staggering and dealing with a massive pressure headache

and like clearly not with it at all. And they're both bleeding out of the head. Yeah. Craneal hemorrhaging, I think it's dropped as a thing, which sounds really bad. Yeah. That's like, I wanna live in a world where cranial hemorrhaging is a throw bandaid on it and get the homing beacon going.

I mean, there is something that Chico take and rub on that. It's just in the shuttle. So he goes back in there to get some supplies. Yeah. And on his way out, he notices the scorch marks on the shuttle. That wasn't lightning that hit them. It was in fact a phaser, Which would mean that the emergency homing beacon that Janeway turned on probably isn't a great idea

if they had just been attacked. Hey guys, you shout us down. Here's where we are. Yeah, you may want to put down the mini screwdriver. You were working on your combat with Janeway. What the hell, where did this come from? I don't know. Does everyone carry a mini screwdriver?

Always ready to tighten up your earpieces on someone's glasses. The tricorder says that these scorch marks are Videan. Janeway's gonna be pissed. And oh fuck, here they come. And they're all around. Like everywhere they point the tricorder, they see a cluster of Videan's coming after them. I love the pace of this scene. The thing about a Videan is you can't outrun them. You gotta go and zigzags. You gotta make yourself big and loud, like that's what they tell you.

You never wanna keep your guts inside the tent if you're camping near Videans. You wanna put them in a cooler and then use a rope to put it up in a tree, right? So into some Star Trek caves they go, which is the worst planning possible because that's where Videans are always at. They live in caves, they live in caves with false walls.

And they jump out like immediately. It looks like they want some shoulder meat from Chico Te, because he catches one in the shoulder and goes down I mean lots of people at grocery stores confuse that with Chico day, but right right. It's not actually from the rum It's it's actually from the shoulder You said you went to a local butcher and tried to get some Chico day, but but there was too much hair on it because they yeah get some chico-tay butt, but there was too much hair on it because they... Yeah. Yeah, because that's how natural of a butcher this place was.

Wow, yeah. Wait till we get one in that isn't as hairy, they said. Yeah. I didn't say I wanted a hairy butt, I said I wanted a chico-tay butt. Real connoisseur of chico-tay butt over here. I mean, my wife just loves it. Yeah. Seems like she likes it more than she likes you, weirdly.

Hahaha. Hahaha. One of these Videans comes and chokes out Janeway, like she's Nielix in a two-vac hologram program. Hahaha. This scene is horrifying. Another like really upsetting, Kate McGrew performance. Yeah, she kind of does it all this up.

She does. The music swells and she's dead and we cut back to the shuttle. We've seen episodes like this before. I'm thinking of cause and effect specifically. Hey Adam, just for the folks keeping track at home that aren't watching the feed, I've finished my first Tiki drink. I'm moving on to the one in the coconut. This is a hotel nassian now, special. It's delicious. Sure it

is. Wouldn't you like to be drinking a pineappley rum drink out of a coconut right now? You've got a very condescending affect right now, Ben. I'm regretting my decisions. I can see that on your face. I mean, I've never looked at a coconut beverage that I don't have and not felt roofal about that. I feel like a coconut beverage could be a sports drink, too. Yeah. Like, people drink coconut water in lieu of gatorade, you know?

It's an electrolytic compound. It is not in me, it's in you. Yeah, it's in me. And that makes me upset. When I'm in black and white, my sweat is in color and it's coconut water. Some time I'm in that dream, but he is me. He's drinking coconuts when I want to be. Janeway wakes up. This isn't a Previa shuttle, right?

It's like halfway between bunk bed and Previa. It's not the flat pack, but it's the bunk bed. It's not the Previa. I think it is the bunk bed shuttle. Yeah, it's slightly upgraded from the IKEA edition. It's the Sacajawea bed. Yeah, it is the Sacajawea, which is a mispronunciation, which I learned from stuff you should know,

or buddy's Josh and Chuck on the stuff you should know, podcast. Tell me how I did it wrong, Ben. Why didn't know this either? They did a whole episode about, I think it's Chicago, Chicago or something like that. I'm probably butchering my correction even. It was like so different from what I'd grown up hearing.

Which is a really fascinating historical figure. Sakajui is really interesting. Great take. You could make a whole podcast episode about how interesting Sakagawa was. You remember in Cosm Effect it took like 40 minutes for the Enterprise D crew to just barely put it together. What was going on? I love how in the second run through as soon as we're back on the shuttle, Janeway's

like, we're being cause and affected. Yeah, yeah. There's a great like debt, Mertre O'Woe level take between Chicoete and Janeway as they both realize this right at the same moment. If Janeway and Chicoate had written cause and effect, it would have been a pamphlet. It would have been so fast. I mean, part of that is that the loop is really small.

Like, yeah, that's it, isn't it? Not much time for anything to happen in this little loop. So they're like, okay, well, we got killed by Fadeans when we went down to that planet. So let's just not even fuck with that planet and let's work on figuring out what happened as far as getting into this time loop. But as they're discussing this,

they are set upon by a Videan ship. They get shot, they get blowed up, and they're back in the loop again. This part was hilarious to me because the Videan ship is incoming. Yeah. And you just got to cut to the exterior and show the shuttle turning right, right?

Like a lot is made of dodging this ship. And I kind of wish they didn't cut to the exterior here. All the ship to ship stuff, not their strongest work in And start check Voyager. Yeah, I think we are firmly in the era of everything as a new CG render, but we're in that middle period where sometimes that's fine and sometimes it really calls itself out and looks super,

super duper embarrassing and retro as well. Coda take three is maybe the shortest version. And there's no dialogue at all. It's really weird. Chico-te looks at Janeway. Janeway looks at Chico-te. Chico-te looks down at his crank. Janeway looks at Chico-te and grimaces.

And then the shuttle explodes. So then we're right back into Coda Take 4. Yeah, this is two Videanships, but this time for some reason they're in communications range of Voyager, barely. And they call in the cavalry, they're like, hey, by the way,

we're getting chased by Videans, but also there's a time anomaly. So keep your eyes peeled for that as you approach this part of space. We're gonna do a tacky on pulse just to see if we can clear things out. Pretty standard, really. And they do this tacky on pulse

and we watch the Videanships disappear. Videans aren't even supposed to be in this part of space. I know, that's what's so weird. They must be really desperate. Yeah. They must be like, like, you know, you run into a starving coyote. They're like very desperate for food. These these Videans are so far from home, they're, they're really desperate for them guts. You don't want a, a, a desperate yote and you don't want a desperate

Videan unless you're the doc, in which case, maybe that's the best romantic opportunity you're ever gonna have. But the coyote, I mean, he likes fucking coyotes. A Videan is always the leftover socially. Mm. Like when people are paring off at the party, often you'll find the Videan is like kind of the last,

because few people have the patience to sort of get into what their personality might be like. It's a bit of a leap for a lot of people because of the way we've been trained by society to prioritize some pretty superficial things when a lot of Videons are actually really great people. And really great lovers too because they know exactly how your organs work inside and out. They don't have that, I don't work with the equipment problem. Did you have to lick your finger after you said that then? I did because I had some of my cocktail on it. I was trying to peel away some of this delicious coconut meat so I could have a little snack while we record. Delicious.

Perfect black. Make it yourself. I'm trying to help you see this as an opportunity to grow. Make it yourself. Jane Weinshikoate Dach the Sacka Juhia which is unfortunately the way I'm going to be pronouncing it because no one has ever known how to pronounce that except for Josh and Chuck. I mean, I think that we're as wrong about that as Voyager was about anything related to Native American culture. So we have some cover from the show we're reviewing. Janeway seems fine. She starts giving orders about scanning the time loop. It seems like pretty standard stuff after experiencing a time loop. Pro forma captain that's been through a time loop. It seems like pretty standard stuff. After experiencing a time loop,

pro forma captain that's been through a time loop orders here. Every, everything's back to normal, but we should probably check this thing out, maybe drop a boi. Prepare a bully and launch it when ready. Warning boys. An emergency bully.

A warning bully. To warn other people about the presence of a potential time loop around here and then we'll get underway and After she starts giving a number of these orders the bridge crew starts looking at her like she's fucking nuts She says scan the phenomenon and BLT is like I don't know what phenomenon you mean and Chico tastes like that is actually what I call it And Chico Tei is like, that is actually what I call it.

Chico Tei has got one of those shirts he wears in his off time with like an arrow pointing up that says the commander and an arrow pointing down that says the phenomenon. To a certain extent, you can accept a weird look from Kim, a weird look from Tuvac, A weird look from that extra back there. But when Chicoote doesn't remember the time loop, he was in with you. That is a very creepy feeling.

You know, I remember a talent night. Something strange is going on here. Very humiliating. Chicoote is like, I don't remember a time loop, but I do remember you falling in love with me. And we are now married. Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha If there's something wrong with me or something wrong, with the universe. Janeway has to get into one of those gowns and it's then when she looks in her private area and sees like, she got sexual phage. From Chicoete?

Yeah. He has it too. Fucking Chicoete. Strap it up, man. Is he an asymptomatic carrier? Is that what you're implying? Where'd he pick it up? Did he and the lady that Schmollis was interested in?

Have a little dallion. We know that the ship has these kind of parties. This is the cold open. Yeah, she was like I heard you can throw that hammer A term I am now familiar with and well. Yeah, mate. Just my primary Let's just say the only pineapple here isn't the right side up one in my beverage. Is any of this making any sense? Janeway's so confused, it kinda makes you wonder if there was ever even a talent night at all, Ben? And the doctor gives her some really bad news.

She has phage. He's got a erect a bio force field around the part of Six Bay that she's in, and sedate her. And she goes to sleep for 40 hours. a bio force field around the part of Six Bay that she's in and to date her. And she goes to sleep for 40 hours. God, I wish I could sleep for 40 hours. Like right now, I feel like I could recharge

all the batteries. Wow, yeah. That's all I'd need. That would be amazing. Yeah. I started to wear my fitness tracker watch to bed. Yeah? Said I got eight hours and six minutes of sleep last night.

That doesn't seem right does not feel that way. You famously sleep with a a loving partner that takes over This is something that everyone knows and also a dog and also a very loud nightstand. Our dog does not sleep in the bedroom anymore Our dog does not sleep in the bedroom anymore. He's elected to be a living room dog at nighttime. I think of the two usually in bed with you. I think that's the more disappointing one to be sleeping in. In the living room. He never stole a sheet. He's stolen zero sheets in his entire life.

Janeway's take of, I know I'm in good hands. Is shattering to me. Like, there are a couple of line reads by Kate Mulgrue in this episode that are like 10 out of 10 best I've ever seen her do on this show, and that's one of them. Like, especially toward a character

that she has sort of up until now, like, taken her left. It's a really dark scene and it gets darker and darker as it goes, right? Because once she wakes up after her 40 hours of sleeping the doc jumps pretty quickly into Euthanasia as a solution to her problem and needs to get after it pretty fast. This gas isn't going to gas itself. Right. Yeah. So he's filling the volume of the space behind the force field with this gas. She's like begging for life while he just kind of regards her with zero motion on his face. It's so

ice cold of the dark. Yeah. I like that he's got this in him if he had to do it. Yeah. But I don't like that he's doing it at her. No, it's really upsetting. Her security codes don't work. Like it seems like he's already like arranged for command codes to be transferred to Chicote so when she tries to delete him, the computer refuses. So like in addition to being about to die, she's also professionally insulted.

That's got to suck. It's like showing up to work and realizing your ID badge doesn't get you through the door. Yeah. You got to find out later. You keep pulling it on that little retractable, elastic cable. I told you that's how I was let go

from a giant airplane company, right? No. The boss who made the decision was such a coward that he didn't even tell me that he wasn't renewing my contract and just allowed my badge to expire. And so when I showed up to work one day, working a project that wouldn't work. And I had to ask him what the problem was with my credentials because I couldn't get into the building I needed to get into. He's like, oh yeah, we chose not to pick you up again.

So what happened to the project? Was it just like a wipe your hands off, walk away? I was in pre-production on something, and I had to tell my client that my contract hadn't been renewed, and that I hope they could find someone else to work with, and I had a couple of suggestions of who might be good for it. But I obviously had no control over the situation and that was it. Classy moved by you to even like take the responsibility

of relaying that information. I mean, yeah, 99% of the people I worked with at that company were great. But I had a lot of great managers and one bad one, like a strip clip. Anyways, we're back in the shuttle, but now there's an anomaly. There's coffee and puts behind all this. Right.

This kind of bothered me because I was like, if there'd been a visual anomaly outside the window before, like this would make sense, but it you know, it's not like, it must be this anomaly that's causing this, you know. We learn something at the end that at this moment isn't suspicious, but is retroactively suspicious to me, which is Janeway is like, we got to get away from this anomaly. It is right ahead. And normally, right ahead. And Shikote is like, hell no, let's go in. Let's like go in faster.

Yeah. It sounds great if we should go in. And she was like, you're crazy. I didn't like that's dangerous and we shouldn't do that. And Shikote's repeated insistence about going into it made me wonder if he was a version of the guy we meet later. I kind of think that in retrospect as well, like we're gonna try whatever we can to get you

primes to go in. Yeah. But yeah, it's supposed to be the bright light at the end of a tunnel. And at Janeway's insistence, they try to get away from it, but in so doing the hull breaches and then we're down on the Galondon core planet where Chicoote is doing mouth-to-mouth and CPR on Janeway's corpse but Janeway is standing watching it.

That's got to feel weird. It's got to feel like a violation also. She's like a force ghost. Get your hands away from there. I wonder if you feel that thing that so many people feel about hearing their own voice. Like if you see your own body, if you're standing next to it, if you're just horrified by it, that probably would be.

I hate my body on tape. This time though, Chico Tay's life saving measures don't work and she dies. I thought that Robert Beltrance performance here was also really superlative. That's where I was going to go with it. We've talked a lot about how great Kate Mulgrue is in this episode, but no slouch is Robert Beltrance and this is the scene. Yeah. It's great.

He doesn't save anything for the swim back. It's got to be so hard not to go full ham here. Like, I don't know how many takes you could give me where I wouldn't unintentionally get too hammy about it. It's really real feeling. I think he is drawing on his character motivation of Chico Tei once once no part of being the captain of this ship. And this is pretty definitively going to force him into that role.

He lays Janeway's body down and he starts mumbling to himself about maybe they'll believe that we were both killed in the shuttle crash. And he starts like running into the shuttle as hard as he can head first. He gets a phaser and turns it up to 11. Yeah. But then he gets a word from TuVac that the ship is in orbit and he's like, all right, we'll beam to the captain directly to sick bay.

And TuVac is like, we can't do that because of the storm, but there's a shuttle on its way down and we'll get it to Six Bay as fast as we possibly can. Six Bay has already been prepped with Clip Show devices. It's a trauma center that's ready to go. And so Force Goes Janeway stands at the bedside of Janeway while they are trying to get her body back working with a Clip Show device. And it's not working. They try to pass the point of no return. They keep trying to shock her. It doesn't work.

She's dead. Make a note in the log. Get the curtain, O320. Here's where you really experienced the greatness of Kate Mulgrue, because she's died and you get the wide shot. And in this wide shot, you can't help but notice that she has fully evacuated her bowels

and bladder into her uniform. She brand-owed. Yeah. And she didn't just brand-owed once. Like she brand-owed both on the slab and in the take where they have her standing. The force ghost and the corporeal body, she does it both times. It would seem to be an improbable amount of fluids here.

Imagine this picture of ICT is really a gallon of your pieces. Really impressive. And Chicoate just staggers out of there. Like for a number of reasons he staggers out of the room. He can't take it. And non-corporeal Janeway tries to talk to the computer, tries to talk to Kess, tries to get in Kess's way to get Kess to notice her. Like she's desperate here to be noticed.

Yeah. She kind of hits on Cass being the person that she's gonna try to get the attention of because Cass has superhuman abilities. So she follows Cass out into the hallway and I love the effect of seeing her like ghost through the sliding door as it closes. Yeah.

You can kind of get the feeling that she didn't notice that the door closed on her at this moment. She doesn't know that she can walk through walls yet. But she goes and stands in front of Kess. And when Kess passes through her body, Kess does get a little glimmer of maybe the captain is here. They really turn this moment up to 11 because it's like the the ghost train driving through Winston Zed more and ghost busters to

amount of wind and screaming and and so forth. Yeah, it's a lot so much really traumatized by this the most screaming of any Voyager episode It triggers a McLaughlin group is your want of maybe the captain's not really dead. Maybe she's Jordy and Ro Larening. Right. And she's here in subspace or something, and we need to like detect and bring her back into the corporeal world. Janeway gets to attend this meeting while not being invited.

I don't know. I'm not going to any optional meetings. Right. Yeah. So that much, especially if I'm dead. Yeah, but if it was a meeting where it was a discussion of you and they didn't know that you were listening in on. Oh, I definitely want to go to that meeting.

Yeah. Yeah. Chico Day for once has a real zest for leadership. I mean, it's a zest for leadership and that is couched in the idea that he is going to be not in leadership once they find the captain's non-corporeal form. Yeah, I mean if he stays captain much longer he's definitely going to blow up the ship and he knows

exactly how to. He's like mumbling to himself in this McLaughlin group. I'm going to blow up the ship. I know all the coats, but first, I'm gonna put these four pips on my collar. I like the sound they make when they click in. One, two, three, four. This is a fun bit of business because Janeway gets to see the crew how they are without her presence. And so I think she's kind of impressed with how they perform during the McLaughlin group and when she's engineering afterwards, like how everyone's working to solve this problem,

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the Admiral uniform, they take it. Yeah. You know. I'm pretty sure like Star Trek is a great collector of its own trivia. But no one has ever counted up the number of different admiral uniforms they've been on this show. It's incalculable. Yeah, the memory alpha page on that actually broke. It was like too complicated for the database. You think it's 404 different versions? No, that's just the 404 page. I remember Alpha.

We learn a couple of things about this guy. This guy is presenting himself as Janeway's dad, a dad who is supposed to be dead because he died while swimming under an ice cap. Like all great dads, just taking a vacation, swimming under ice caps. Give us new meaning to the name Dad Merle, doesn't it? Yeah. I mean, obviously he's an older fellow

because he's presenting as Janeway's dad. There's something about an older person wearing a uniform like this without any kind of suggestion of an undershirt or a collar. It just looks uncomfortable. Whenever you punch in on Admiral Daddy, like my eyes fall to his neckline and how fucking awful that's got to be to wear that uniform without any sort of turtle or something, you know? There's no collar and unlike the Voyager uniforms,

this is like the TNG style of collar. So like, Janeway has a nice cotton mock turtle neck on. I think you gotta get like a Mandarin neck under there or something, anything. That won't work. Why not? Obviously, Janeway is not believing this guy's story, but time and time again,

he answers all of the challenge questions. Yeah, she's like, tell me something only, only my dad and I would know. And he says like the story of his death. And she's like, well, if you're reading my mind, you would know that. Yeah.

Not impressed. I'll tell you how you'll believe that it's me. When I died, you became very sad. Very, very sad. She's like, that's pretty much most people with the passing of a parent. Not a pranika, but most people. So she basically recommits to trying to talk her into like come with me

Like you're in the afterlife. You're dead. I'm here as a familiar face to induct you into the post-living world and It's you're gonna love it. It's it's fucking great. Like I hate being here right now Just like that I have to do this task to recruit you to come back with me. It is agonizing. It sucks. You want to know what the worst part of my day is? Getting people like you to follow me back into the matrix, which is awesome.

But she's not going to go that easily. She's really committed to letting the crew see if they can find her, see if they can phase her, see if they can phase her back into existence. And he's like, all right, well, they're gonna give up eventually. So you do you, you let them work the problem. And eventually you're gonna come begging.

And so Janeway goes down to Tuvac and Kess's sayons where Tuvac has gone to a both hands mind-milled with Kess and they're trying to like amplify their mutual powers to find Captain Janeway on the ship. Yeah, you want to be careful going to handed. Yeah. It can rest the pipes if you're not careful. You get really intense. This is an intense scene because they're so hopeful in the beginning of getting some sort of sign that Janeway is there and it's just not only empty, but utterly empty. Ship is just a tin can and two Valkyries trying to encourage Kess to silence everything,

but her presence and Captain Janeway's presence. All Kess can hear is the sound Nelix makes when he gets his feet rubbed. And there's no amount of mental acuity that can block that out. That's just something you get to deal with when you're meditating on Voyager. Not enough Alexa Pro in the world

to knock down that voice in her head. It's an interesting moment. Like the tension for me in the scene was Kess detected Janeway when their bodies like crossed through the same space. So why isn't Janeway going like waving her hand in Kess's head going, I'm right here. I'm right here. This scene was supposed to have so much meaning, but I also felt so frustrated by it because Tuvac asks Kess, like, can you hear her voice?

And Janeway's in the scene, not saying anything. Yeah. Speak up Janeway, let her know you're here. I know what they were going for with this scene, but it just didn't work because if you're Janeway, I think you need to try to get their attention in the way that she tried previously. In a way that like, Ro Laren and Jordy tried several times when they phased out, right?

Such as their failure in the say-ons that they're ready to call it. Like, time of spooky death is now two Vox got to record his his post-sayon's log, which is kind of a eulogy. Yeah, he records that log, and then like, you see Harry Kim walking by in the hallway outside and he overhears

Tuvac describing Captain Janeway as a friend, and he like barges into the room and he's like, oh, so she's your friend? You said you didn't have friends. I thought I told you to stay away from Captain Janeway to Vock. And you did it again. You fucked me. You fucked me to Vock.

This isn't the only eulogy we hear this episode. We hear a bunch more the next day, which is when the event takes place. And God, I was so sad that this happens in the mess hall. Like it made me wonder if Starfleet banned memorial services happening in torpedo rooms after what happened to Spock. Like they just don't even want to get close to a Genesis situation. Like we're going to do these in the mess hall. Yeah. it's a real Albert Brook situation for Janeway. She gets to hear some really nice words from everyone,

nice words from BLT and as in Kim. I thought for sure in this moment that this bowson, the guy that blows the whistle was gonna wind up being significant to the plot, because he's like standing in the foreground of the shot as though he is an important character and then does a significant thing in the scene blowing this whistle and I was like, no, who's this weird guy? Is he the commander McDuff of the episode? Like what's gonna happen with him? Like as soon as he blows the whistle, the screen falls apart.

It's revealed to be a Romulan plot. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I joked earlier about the torpedo room scene in Wrath of Con, but Kate Mulgrugh's take here during Kim's eulogy choked me up, man. Yeah. That was powerful stuff. That was all the way for her as an actor. Right on down to like training the tear to drop at the perfect time. It was awesome to watch. Yeah.

I was personally a little distracted because I wanted to know whose torpedo it was that they shot her body out in. It didn't show. It didn't show who was Mark or, you know, Catherine or. Her husband isn't a part of Starfleet and it's tragic that he won't ever be shot out into a torpedo bearing his name, right? Yeah, she kept her given surname, she didn't want to become Captain Eve. Like when the Janeway family dog dies, even the dog's torpedo has its name on it, but not Tom Mervins.

So when Janeway's body is released into space, that's how you know that it's time for the buffet to be served. And this is the moment Admiral Daddy reappears to tell Janeway, well, that about wraps it up. That's about all anyone can do post death before happen end of the old matrix, so if you'll just come with me. Bright light, head on into it.

Apply bright light directly to head. Apply directly to the forehead. And she's like, why are you so single-minded? Why the focus exclusively on the idea of me deciding to walk into the light at the exclusion of everything else? Admiral Daddy's like, you don't really want to stick around for whatever Nielix made, right? I mean, I thought that would be obvious.

We should probably leave before food. It becomes agonizing. I don't want that to happen to you. And she's like, my father would never spare me unnecessary pain. My father would never skip an open bar and buffet situation either. And he's like, no, like being dead rules come with me. It's fucking great. I know that's hard to believe because I'm here and for some reason, not really

enjoying all the splendor that I'm describing to you because I'm on this fucking recruiting trip. But I'm gonna tell you, right over my shoulder, in this shrieking lightning storm, we're gonna love it. Yeah, this is about when we get a little glimpse of the dock and Chicoce and Tuvac crouching over Janeway's POV back on the Galorndon Corp planet and they are trying

to save her. And she's put it together that Admiral Daddy is an alien presence that is trying to persuade her of something. And he's like, yeah, like, okay, so I'm an alien. Yeah, got me. But the Matrix, I didn't lie about that. The Matrix is great. I mean, I was reluctant at first too,

but then once I joined up, I was told I just had to get three more people to join the Matrix. And then they get three people under them. And then all of a sudden, I'm at the top of the Matrix pyramid. This is gonna be easy for you. You know people that are gonna die?

Everyone you know is gonna die. You're a starship captain. You could probably make that happen. So this becomes kind of an argument where he gets more and more intense and we kind of flash back and forth between this argument and the POV where the crew are trying to resuscitate the captain and they're saying that the alien is getting stronger and they need to try different things to try

and knock it out of her, noggin. And Admiral Daddy kind of drops the act a little bit. He pivots into death Sherpa. And he's frankly a little hurt that a services appeared to not be needed here. Like he's that pushy salesman that has like multiple strategies against a mark. And none of them are working. He's usually so good at taking souls.

Jane, we got a free shuttle ride to this planet as long as she would hear a presentation about a time share. She's finding it very hard to justify having come at this point. That reverse psychology moment of like, you know, most people really like this. I don't know what's a matter with you. with you. Her line as she finally refuses his overtures is pretty savage. One of my favorite angry Janeway moments we've ever gotten. I actually disagree, Ben, I think this episode is better without that line. Wow, really? I mean, there's nothing about Janeway that has been spiritual up until now,

and so her use of the word hell feels kind of anachronistic to me. And also coward, like I don't know if coward really fits, like Admiral Daddy was there to do a job, but didn't work. It doesn't make him a coward. He wasn't honest about what he was and what he was trying the entire time. He's kind of a drag though. You have to invite him to invite you to hell or something like. Yeah, he had to subscribe to some rules. He was a space drag, but I liked it.

I really liked her righteous indignation. I just wish he said something else. That's all. Well, I enjoyed it. I really liked her righteous indignation. I just wish she said something else. That's all. Well, I enjoyed it. Fuck you, daddy. And they just beep it out. Yeah. It's the one thing that's beeped in pre-lower deck star trek. Back on the planet, Janeway comes to you with a clip show device on her head. And the doc and two Voc and Shikotere

there they explained that when they found her there was an alien inside her head that was stopping their life-saving measures. Edmroll daddy kind of said like eventually you are going to die and I'll be there waiting for you. Yeah. And feeding off of your soul or whatever. I wondered if he wound up just kind of going dormant, like chicken pox, you know? Yeah, like the way he puts it is very clinical. Like you're gonna nourish me when you die.

You're gonna nourish me. Yeah, I wondered about that. Is she actually out of the danger zone or is- This is such a start track question. How do you know you're out of the danger zone or is this is such a start track question? How do you know you're out of the time loop ever or not a clone or not a robot or any permutation of that? It is not asked in this episode. The button on the episode is a little seen with the captain and Chico Te in her office.

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with a single rose into the ready room to give it to Janeway. And we don't see that scene because it would look weird as hell. Yeah. Like there would be that moment where Kim would talk to Tuvac using that like, Soto-Voce, cum system that they've got, like, hey,

see Chicoetay? Is that a rose? The hell is that about? I do not believe that is any of your concern. And so, what do you think like that's not a red rose or a yellow rose? What does like splatchy rose mean? What is that signify to him?

Splatchy rose means friends with benefits. I mean, it seems like maybe more than that, right? Because she's like, hey, I cheated death. Want to go on a super romantic date sailing with a bottle of champagne with me? Let's do some corksokin. Hahaha. Blast him on into the ocean.

Hahaha. Let's go somewhere like the holodeck where it's really easy to squeegee up after. Another episode that ends with the celebratory vibe. Yeah. This time for just the two of them. But Ben, is this a episode that you personally celebrate? You know, I'm really used to get along with post-represents.

But I don't like bullets, I don't like friends, and I don't like you. I'm just stupid. I do celebrate this episode. I thought this was pretty fun. The real challenge with a time loop every time is can you make the loop not boring? And then you can get close to that as a problem. The loop was so different each time. And I think TNG needed to teach the audience about

the loop in a way that voyage can kind of count on the audience to be on board for loop. And I thought they did a really nice job. I thought it was an interesting meditation on the afterlife. And there were moments where I was, you know, like, oh, maybe she really is dead, you know, like I was, it had me wondering a few times. It had you hoping? No, she could go take good and handle that. I mean, these are my favorite Star Trek episodes.

Cost and effect is one of my favorites. Episodes that make characters question their reality, episodes that repeat scenes over and over again. It's a very appealing to me. There's a sort of vanity to a Star Trek episode like this too that's like it makes me think about my own life and my own friendships. Like when you see Jane Ways Crew talk about her after she's dead. I mean, I can't help but think about the one or two people that would go to my funeral,

maybe. And, and maybe say a couple things. Most of them are going to be in that Peloton ride with you later, but none of them will be recording an episode with you in, in between watching that episode of Voyager and that Peloton ride. I think if I die mid-greatest generation project, you'll probably be recording with the alternate co-host that day. You got to run way to build.

We'll just have Wendy put text into the script and mimic your voice, man. Yeah, that's how you do it. Much like how we read the priority when messages been, you want to see what we've got over there waiting for us? Okay. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Need a supplement on? A supplement? A supplement.

A supplement. Yes, extra. The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship. Ben our first priority one message is from Zach Breger. It is to all viewers everywhere the message goes like this. When I was young and watching Voyager, Nielix's Mohawk was my hair goal. Wow.

TBH, to some degree it still is, LOL. He can keep his mutton chops. My beard is glorious, but thathawk is so voluminous. Have you there been or Adam ever wanted to emulate the look or hairstyle from someone in Star Trek? Aside from the slick backs and young Wesley Crusher, Zach knows what they're doing here with that parenthetical because that is that's the low hanging hair fruit. Yeah, right there So taking both of them off off the list Who are your Star Trek hair goals?

You know, I'm not proud of this, but I will occasionally imagine What would it be like if I cut my sideburns into a point like yeah on Star Trek? Great call. Would people notice would it be would be it would it be like a little like kind of wink wink nudge nudge those who know no kind of a thing it seemed like a pain in the ass to shave it because you probably need like a like a straight edge razor to get a clean line right well then I'm doing it right now whoa because my sideburns don't really grow in

that well at all. They're so shallow that the angle of the point is almost imperceptible. I ran it by my wife once and she was, it was a hard now. It's one of those things where I wonder how many people would actually notice. Yeah. Because there are times when I watch Star Trek

where I don't notice and everyone's rocking that those same sideburns. Right. It's one of my favorite things in Star Trek is that pointy sideburn look. So subtle. So nice. That's a good answer.

But I don't think that's really what Zach was getting at. Let's get to the top of the head, Ben. All right. What are the slik- The slikbacks are going for a data look, right? Yeah. Generally speaking, that's what a sl- Ah!

This is gonna be your cheat answer, huh? No! Well, like, you know, when I'm in the bathroom and I comb my hair backwards like that, I couldn't have lived in the 60s. I would have looked like a fucking idiot, you know? When everybody had to like put bril cream in and do the day-to-hair. Don't sell yourself short. You could look like an idiot in any decade. Ha ha ha ha.

I don't know. Do you have an answer to this question? I think the sneaky challenge to this question is how similar most hairstyles are on Star Trek. Like, Tom Harris, in Voyager, looks like he's rocking a modern haircut that I would love to have. Like he's got some good height on it. He's got like some wave to it.

That's very nice that I wish I had. The problem with my hair is it is right now, is that it's so fine that it tends to just lie flat. Yeah. And I wish I could get more height and volume out of it. So when I look at the hairstyles of Star Trek that I would want to have for myself, I look at Tom Paris and I'm like, yeah,

I wish I had height and curl a little bit. Because as it is, I have hairy Kim hair. Basically, it's just straight. And if I wanted to put anything in it, it would look like that. It would just look hard and shiny. Yeah, I think that anytime I've gotten tempted to have hair that has like a volume aspect to it, a prop it up with a product aspect to it.

I've quickly realized that I'm not equal to the task of doing that every morning. Yeah, to look. That's what makes your answer of Jordy LaForge really interesting to me and also kind of controversial. So I'll be interested in hearing other friends of the Soto react to that. Sorry, Zach. Our next priority on messages from Julian. The boy?

The boy. And it's too dammy. Goes like this. I am so excited to meet my new friend, baby. Vickwis? I mean... Vickwis? Sorry, I meant...

Vickwis? Congratulations on, baby. Vickwis? Team! The suggestion here is that DAMNIE named their baby. Vickwis? I think that DAMNIE may have named their baby. Vickwis?

I mean, at least it's not a name that ends in EN as so many little kids are named these days. Like, they could have gone with... They're crazy? And... Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha Make a wish? Right, so good job by Damien and good job by Julian, the boy. Yeah, thanks for getting a priority one message. If you listening would like to get one head to maximumfund.org slash Jembo Tron, set it up.

Hey Ben. What's that Adam? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? I gotta give it to the boason, the guy with the whistle at the funeral. Caught my eye, seemed weird, seemed out of place, seemed like noticeably older than everyone else on the crew, never seen him before, and was serving a very important function at Janeway's funeral. It's like when you have a wedding, you like ask significant people in your life to perform different functions like that. Right.

I remember when you asked me to clean up, that you were getting. Exactly. And I did kind of a half-ass job. And like, you know, at a funeral, like the Paul Barers are often people that are very significant members of the family. But yeah, like I wanted to know all about this Bowson. And I was so distracted for so much of this episode at the, at the appearance and disappearance of this Bowson that, that guy is my drunk Shemoda. Wow. I really didn't care that much about him, but now I do.

But now I do. Ben, my drunk Shimoda is gonna be Chicoete, and it could have been for all of the great acting that Robert Belchrand did up and down this episode, but I'm gonna make Chicoete my Shimoda for one scene in particular, which is, but I'm gonna make Chico Tay my Shimoda for one scene in particular, which is if you are basically

the captain after your previous captain dies, I think you are obligated to speak at the dying captain's funeral. And that he is basically just the MC for it. And does the MC come on and does know, a tight five before introducing the first act. I mean, maybe we just didn't get that on screen. Yeah, I think because they cut that stuff out because it was kind of, it's not really well-developed material. He's not a, he's not a established act. Next up on the mic, put your hands together for Harry Kim.

I wonder about an episode that has the opportunity to tell us more about who Chicoete is with a moment like that because we learn a lot about Chicoete in his grief. Yeah. But it has been a long, long time since we've seen him lead as a member of the Mayquise. And I would have liked a reminder of what it would have been like for a captain chicoetay to be Running things we get a little bit in the McLaughlin group, but like There's the other aspect of leading this crew. It's not just delegating tasks. It's Inspiration. Yeah, and this was a moment for that that we didn't get and and I think if it was Chico Te's choice to

avoid that moment, that makes him my Shimoda. Objection noted, we'll do this without you. Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it. Well, Adam, our next episode is season three, episode 16, Blood Fever, and Sanvorik expresses his desire to mate with Belana during his Pondfar. Wow. After they get in a brawl over the matter, Torres begins showing signs of Pondfar herself. So BLT doesn't just say no, she throws hands.

Yeah, Evorek catches those hands, but then she catches pond fire for. You know, speaking of hairstyles, one hairstyle we didn't mention in the P1 as being very aspirational, the the voric hair from a luau. Yeah, he looked good in that luau. Wow, I'm excited to see what kind of hair he's rocking in this upcoming episode. It's probably going be tussled. Yeah after his tussle with BLT I think I'll be ready for fun in the sun. Yeah. I know how you will be doing the next episode Adam But how will we be doing the next episode? She's been That hurts

Why does it hurt? Why it's fair. It's totally fair. Why does it hurt? What hurts about it? Nothing nothing hurts nothing makes me feel anything the thing that hurt was I drove around doing errands getting ready for today's episode and got here and I I hurt you I was the one. I'm the harmed party. It's true. You're required to learn as you play Roll then our runabout, is on the Cocoa Nono Square, that square 12. It's in the second row of the Game of Buttholes, Will of the Caretaker. Okay. Where we will be condemned, Cotto-like, forever.

Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. Let's see where we end up next. I don't think anything can hurt us here. Oh wait, I guess, uh, I guess a Quark's bar is a six. Oh fuck. See if I get that. That would be, you would have to drink like beers and... Keep your drinks I guess, if we hit that.

Ben, I've rolled a four. Tula! Did I win? Aw, Link. Which is for me another regular old episode. And just two squares away from a quarks bar app, which if you were to hit on your next roll, I may or may not participate in. So that's how it's going for me.

These days. It's really nice to know that I have the support and a spread of cure of my podcast partner. You know what, you complain about this, and I'm gesturing with a hand between you and me. This is one of the best episodes we've ever done. I didn't feel that way, I felt bad about it. Well, at least we'll get another chance next week, Ben.

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Probably, though. Sex and violence, man. AST. You'll be kind of a you. Make it sound. You'll be kind of kind of...