The Greatest Generation - #ColonGoals (DS9 S4E3)

Episode Date: March 11, 2019

When Worf notices a bootleg Morn, he begins to slip into his bad security habits. But when O’Brien and Bashir get taken prisoner by some Jem’Hadars, finding a cure for bad habits might be the only way the Doctor can save them. What are the steps in Ketracel Anonymous? What’s the downside for Chief O’Brien of being able to skip all those banquets? Do Jem’Hadars even have chill to harsh? It’s the episode where we did so much research we found out Quark’s last name! Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Prophets! Support the production of The Greatest Generation.

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Deep space night. Welcome to the greatest generation. It's a Star Trek podcast by a couple of guys who are a little bit embarrassed to have a Star Trek podcast. I'm Adam Pranika. I'm Ben Harrison. I just want to check in with you Ben. How are things going? How's that body?

Specifically. You have any way you of telling me that? Well, I imagine that this is inspired by the fact that I tweeted a picture of a model of a healthy human colon this morning. I texted you almost immediately after seeing that. I didn't mean to rub that in your face. I didn't want you to see that and feel like I was colon-shaming you. Hashtag colon goals. Yeah. Regarding that photograph, were those two healthy colon's or was that healthy on the left and unhealthy caromal filled on the right?

I think that it was a drawing of a healthy colon and a model of a healthy colon. When you asked Dr. Soren what normal was, he jestered to your body and said, it is what everyone else is and what you are not. Yeah, so I, my health insurance changed and I had my first physical with my new general practitioner today. Somehow I got put in the examination room that had the picture of the healthy colon and then just a big wall poster of a prostate exam. So like right next to my head, I was sitting there for like five minutes before I noticed that I'd turn my

head to the left and in cross section there's a finger going into an anus and touching a prostate. Ben, were you turning your head to the left because you were told to do that in cough? And that was what you saw. That didn't happen, which really surprised me. Because I thought that that was like part of the annual physical. Yeah, that's my understanding. But I've had hernia surgery, so maybe, and I told the doctor that, so maybe when she heard that,

she said, I don't need to do this thing where I check to see if he has a hernia. Wow. Do you like this doctor? How did you choose this doctor? Also, I have so many questions. Well, some men choose their doctor, Adam, but some men have their doctor thrust upon them. And this was just the one that came with the HMO that we're on now.

Wow. I guess I could have shopped around a little bit and I just don't have enough of whatever it takes to believe in yourself enough to, I don't know, this doctor was fine. You know? Yeah, I mean, I resemble that remark. When we changed insurance providers,

we recut loose from our old doctors and dentists, and sent to look for our own. And I, like, back when I na Facebook page, I'd, like, put it out to my local friends. I was like, I'm looking for a local doctor coddle from Battlestar Galactica. Like, I want an old doctor who doesn't want to see me all the time and won't force prescriptions on me.

Like, what do you like? And then I found that doctor and I've been with him ever since. Wow, that's great. Yeah, I think I went in there thinking maybe I should get some anti-anxiety medication. And I asked about it and she said, well, that stuff's pretty addictive. So I wouldn't really recommend it unless,

you know, a specialist prescribes it. And she seemed like she would be open to prescribing it to me if I felt really strongly about it, but strongly recommended against it. And I think that's a good sign in a physician. I think so too. I think you want to, I mean, look, we're not dispensing health care advice on the show.

That's fucked up. No. But personally, I feel like triangulation is good. And a baseline from your general physician, a baseline feeling of let's do it if we have to not just because we're trying stuff out. Yeah. Is a pretty good feeling. Yeah. Yeah.

Wow. So you're like a car that just went in for a bunch of service. You had the dentistry? No, yeah. The dentistry did not go well. Other dentists. A very painful dentist, dentist exam, which was not great timing. Yeah, it's not a great timing. Yeah, yeah, so I don't know. Mostly feeling okay about my health there, so that's good.

It's better to know than to not know in my opinion, at least it's not a mystery. Yeah and I've been feeling like I am now a 35-man and I think this is the- I often forget that. This is the time in life when you have to start, you know, making a point of getting in there regularly. Like it was a pretty rare occurrence through my 20s that I would go into the doctor's office, you have to start making a point of getting in there regularly.

It was a pretty rare occurrence through my 20s that I would go into the doctor's office, mostly because I didn't have insurance for a lot of that time. I'm fortunate enough to have a wife who has a real job and can be on her insurance. I need to take care of myself Boy a period could have come at any point in that statement and it would have all been good Agreed man. Well, do you want to get into the episode? We have a bit of a special app today, don't we? Yeah, and sort of on theme for our mayor and open right? Yeah, doing doing the work, you know,

yeah, we landed on an nth degree square, the nth degree square I should say, in the game of buttholes, the little of the profits. And that means you and I have both participated in extensive research for this episode. So this will be one of those episodes that we really get to it. You know, like all the nitty-gritty details of how this episode was made, little factoids things, people might not know. You know, we really got to the heart of it. I think we did.

This is a very special episode, right? Yeah, special. Let's get to it, Ben. This thing is teed up and ready to kick. It's Deep Space 9, season 4, episode 3. Hippo, Cratic Oath. Do you realize how incredible this is? No, of course you don't. Now we start in Quark's bar and I actually have, I just thought I'd just kick it off

right here with a factoid about this opening shot. Wow. Okay. Because Quark, of course, is pouring a glass of prune juice for everybody's favorite Klingon addition to the cast. But also on the tray are a couple of glasses of rose. And not a lot of people know this, but this is actually the first on-screen appearance of Lisa Vander der Pomp Rose. I did not know that. Yeah.

Boy, get a load of Quark's tunic here, Ben. I am psyched for a larger and more varietal wardrobe for one Quark T bartender. Discarmant. It's like that novel Jennifer government. You have the last name of the job you have. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I, uh, this, this is the first time it's ever appeared on screen. This really caught my eye, Ben, and I, I did a little bit of research about this. Uh, costume designer Robert Blackman was so inspired by his favorite shave ice flavor combination. Robert Blackman was so inspired by his favorite Shea Vice Flavor combination that he constructed them into a tunic. And if you wanted to know what those flavors were, it's chocolate, blue raspberry, and red raspberry.

Wow. Kind of a strange combo. Yeah. They call it the Robert Blackman at Ulu Loneas. You can order it there anytime. Cool. They call it the Robert Blackman at Uluwani as you can order it there anytime. Cool. So Worf is there kind of creeping on a, like I would describe this alien as a bootleg morn because he's kind of in morn spot and he's kind of doing morn's thing.

Wordlessly drinking. What do you think you're doing? Being all mourn. Sitting there drinking and being quiet. If mourn ever spoke, he would come in and say there's only room enough for one of us in this bar and start a fight. Yeah. Um, but, uh, yeah, Quark comes over to, to, to Worf and sees what he's doing there. And, uh, kind of calls Worf on discriminating against weird aliens. It's the worst mugshot I have ever seen. I kind of thought that maybe Quark had bad breath in the scene, the way Worf is recoiling from him. Yeah, there is a choice that Michael Dorn is making here.

And it's a... It's either a choice or it's not. You know, and I could get it to the bottom of this. It's a level of disgust that Wurf feels for quark throughout. Yeah. Like, it doesn't just end here. It's either personal disgust or just general antifurringi sentiment for Wurf. Persistent, disgusting, terrible, dragon breath.

Solution, listerine. It works. I like this little interaction between Kira and Morph. I feel like they are two characters with fairly like hard pasts and they're kind of in alignment on the kind of people they are, right? Yeah, not knowing the future of the show the way you do, it feels like a good match socially or otherwise. Like the two warriorist characters on the show would seem to have a lot in common and

would seem to be fast friends Yeah, and it's it's a little icy between them and yeah, it is I kind of think that that's worth right like he's so He really just has his guard up with everybody. Yeah He kind of surveys people that he talks to From time to time on the station and a do you see this shit kind of way? If he is an old criminal why does your security chief not do anything about him? He has a level of incredulity about like the criminals just wandering about the station. Yeah free to do their thing Well, it's a question. We've asked several times that he's asking here why tolerate quirk

Like why why allow him to roam free on the station? It's a great question. We've listed his many crimes. Several of them serious over the course of our show. He's not wrong. I think that this episode is partly this B story, I think, is in part an attempt to retcon some of that stuff. Quark would never survive on Rupert Pente. Not everybody keeps their genitals in the same place. Quark, for example, keeps them in his ears.

So we cut to a runabout, and this is O'Brien and Bashir and their head and back a little bit early from Gamma Quadrant Bio Survey, which is pretty adventurous. It's kind of just taunting the Dominion to keep running open-ended science missions like this in my opinion. Hard to agree. Do you think that O'Brien just hates the gem hadar because they kind of look like Kardashians? I kind of do.

He can't tell him apart. He's like, he's like, one card he wanted to fuck him in a Jeffries tube though. That had to feel good. Yeah, flattering at the very least. Right, they're having a super fun. The thing about my wife is style conversation. Yeah. And they get anyone in a relationship kind of

knows how this pattern goes, right? Yeah. This is actually an interesting piece of trivia that I found. O'Brien is actually married to a woman named Keko, who has apparently appeared in some episodes. If you haven't seen an episode in the last, I don't know, 20, you might not know that. Well, it's a good thing we did a bunch of research and found that stuff out. Right. Right.

Yeah, I mean, it's, O'Brien is doing that thing of somebody who has no No sense of insight, you know, he's like yeah, he like turned I turned our bedroom into a workshop and my wife gets mad at me I think it is a it's pretty telling how differently we took this Because I was really on O'Brien's side on this. I was like, if she's not home anyway, who gives a shit? Yeah. Wow.

I mean, that's kind of the side that Bashir takes, right? He's like, oh, yeah, being in your bedroom, wrenching on your projects means that you're in the space that is most closely associated with your wife. It's quite touching, really. Exactly. Exactly. He makes an interesting point of the idea that things send a message whether you are trying to or not. And O'Brien's take is like, I'm not trying to make this a personal attack on Keko.

I just thought I'd use a tabletop there for some tinkering. Yeah. He did not realize that the tinkering would be at his wife. I mean, think about it from her perspective, right? She's gone for months at a time. She comes home for a weekend and discovers like a half rebuilt Chevy engine on a table in our bedroom. I think O'Brien would have a better case if we hadn't seen the rest of his condo,

which is spacious. Yeah. There is room for that elsewhere. And also lots and lots of empty places on the station that he could easily have access to. Yeah, I mean, they were not too long ago playing fucking racquetball. Use the racquetball room. Yeah. Uh, this conversation takes a weird left turn until like kind of a gay panic thing. Where O'Brien's like, I wish he was more like,

more like a man, and the doctor starts laughing at him. So you wish Keko was a man. What is this like 1996? This episode come out. 1995, yikes. Like how different is Disco from this, you know? It's watching this as a, like archival piece of its time. I laughed at it for it's like, like, oh, 1995.

Like, it just seems like such a specific sign felty in, but there's nothing wrong with it kind of joke now. It really is, yeah. It's not overtly condemnatory, but it's also a given in the logic of the scene that nobody would want to be misconstrued with being gay, which is a very 1995 approach. approach, you know, it's like, it's like what green book is to racism, this scene is to, it's okay to be gay. They don't have a moment even to consider pulling out their dicks before a banger gets dropped on them and they are like heading towards a crash landing on a nearby planet.

Yeah, I really liked the camera angle that shows the clouds rushing toward the cockpit. I feel like that's better done. And then seeing the runabout come down under the cloud layer from an exterior angle into kind of like an indoor forest moon looking type of environment. A piece of trivia that I really tried to find

that I couldn't was, I was wondering if the POV shot of the runabout hitting the tree line was from Star Trek Generations and the saucer crash into the tree line. There's something familiar about that and I didn't watch them back to back like I probably should have, but that looked like that in a good way. I mean. Yeah, no, it was a great little sequence.

Yeah, so they've made a fairly soft landing, fortunately, on Bowpac 3. That's the name of this planet. pack three. That's the name of this planet. Yeah. Yeah, they had detected something. Should this planet have any trivia is going to be of the good point, right? So buckle up. So they detected something that made them think that a warp core breach had happened, or a warp core failure had happened happened or something in the area. And it wasn't entirely clear to me what the effect was that caused them to crash, but they do make like, they don't fuck the ship up beyond repair.

The concern is not that they're not going to be able to take back off, and that's good. And you want to have the chief with you in a situation like this because you can just, you can just get this thing back in the air as soon as they figure out, you know, what the, what the crash ship situation is. They really don't allow you to look at the crash site closely, because it really looks like the runabout has been transformed into kind of a teaky bar situation, like with the arrangement of the limbs around it. It looks like a place that you should walk up an order of drink. Yeah, I actually found something interesting about that. This, all the set elements were saved and actually converted into a Tiki bar in Burbank.

Oh. But unfortunately, it started to lose money and then John Taffer rescued it and made it into a sports bar that specializes in ice cream cocktails. Yeah. Just a little tidbit of trivia for you. Wow, I would like to go to there.

Now that I'm a newly minted lactose man, I can get back out there and enjoy the ice cream beverages that I've been missing out on. Nothing goes better with sports than an ice cream cocktail. That's the truth. Give me a plastic football with a frosty ice cream cocktail inside. 44 ounces of neapolitan ice cream and rum. They've barely had time to comment on what a dump it smells like on this planet.

It smells like a garbage dump. I'm sorry I couldn't find a nice place to crash land. When a bunch of gem-hiddars decloak in front of them and take them prisoner. Yeah, they have a, they start in right away with the, who should we kill first, line of conversation, which is great. Like that's, if you're ever taken hostage, I think that's what you lead with if you're a hostage taker, right?

You really set the tone. We had an episode of Disco recently where you talked about the idea of like being a patient in a hospital bed that people are talking over as though you're not there. And this conversation about who to kill really felt like that to me. Yeah. Like O'Brien has determined to be a high priority kill. And then they're like, well, we'll use Bashir as like the most dangerous game

and like do some more games on him before we kill him just for fun. These this episode makes a decision about its tone in the scene because if they were to argue about their relative value as hostages, I think that could be fun and funny. Like hold on a second. He's a trained medical doctor with a commission. I'm just an enlisted man. Leave me out of this.

I've actually been to war. I could be very useful to you. Being a race of warriors. Yeah, but that is not what happens. This is looking pretty dire for these two. So they get kind of merged off into the jungle. And we come back to deep space nine where Worf has been hauled into a meeting with Odo. Mr. Bogus. And Cisco. Cisco's office. And Cisco is kind of hearing Odo out as he complains about the fact that Warf is attempting to do security like in addition to his other duties.

Yeah. Odo doesn't like getting his toes stepped on and this is a conflict we've seen before when Lieutenant Toast came aboard the station. Odo had a problem with that guy also. And in general, it's a thing you see in life, right? Like a tryhard on paper sounds like a great person to have around. Right. But that quickly dissolves when Toast gets stepped on.

Right, and Warf. Warf reminds me a lot of the way he was in that TNG couple of episodes, the Gambit episodes. Remember when Picard was Galen? Yeah. Any started doing missions for that pirate ship and then Riker eventually went over to that ship too, and it made Warf first officer to data. Remember how data had to had to scold Warp for his overstepping and and his mission creep? Yeah, I rewatched a little of that episode recently when I made the ring check drop. Oh interesting. That's sort of that like I'm sorry if

this is ended our friendship line comes from. Yeah, yeah. Wurf, not really good at this. To think about like a professional disagreement that doesn't necessarily need to end a friendship. Yeah, yeah. Glad those exist. I mean, it exists in fiction. It gives me hope. So Cisco sort of scolds Wurf about the issue and Wurf agrees to kind of knock it off,

but admits that it has been a little hard for him to kick the habit of doing security. I have occasionally not been on the side of episodes that just makes Cisco into a counselor. But this is a good Cisco episode and his council at a number of times in this app feels good and real. Yeah. And lived in, you know? It kind of reminds me of the counseling he gives DAX in the episode where everybody's like playing a past host about like how to deal with Kersan. It's like, it's like, was this when he was choking her out? This is the advice? Yeah.

Yeah. In between gas, see, told her. So back on the planet, Bashir makes a deal with the lead gem hadar to do science in lieu of being their prey animal in the hunt. The actor playing this lead gem hadar is actually the same guy that played Tosk. It's right. And also the shovel face Romulan in face of the enemy in TNG. I love old shovel face.

We get. I remember shovel face. I leveled Shovelface. I do. The name of this gem hadar is Goranagar and unlike the far more successful... Actually pronounced Goranagar. Well, Van if you allow me to pronounce it that way, I have a joke that follows. Oh fine. I'll just gather myself and reset. Yeah. And unlike the far more successful product lines of, you know, like the liquors that Star Trek has made, like the James T. Kirk bourbon and the Scotty Scotch. Right.

Scott McDonald actually had an idea for a salad dressing based on his character's name that unfortunately ended up being a failure. And so sadly, he has dozens of cases of oil and caranager just sitting in his basement collecting dust. Yeah, you can find that stuff on eBay, but it really like it doesn't really have that much I don't apologize. Better than the joke I don't know about that guy's name. Oh shoot. Oh, I didn't know we were competing over.

Give me that one. I want to hear it. Okay, just for fun, C. Yeah, Garana Gar is actually, a lot of people don't know this, a cousin, the real guy, a cousin of Terrygar. A lot of people don't realize that she is part gem-ha-dar. Hahaha. Oh, we're keeping all of that.

The problem is that we took different stabs at how to mispronounce his name, so. Garanagar. That's great. That is so great. I love this show. Geranagar, his deal is that he has kicked the white. They call the stuff that they pipe into their necks, Ketrasil white, and he's actually gotten the monkey off his back

and is no longer addicted to it. And he's convinced that there's something about the environment of this planet that has to do with it because he was marooned on this planet for long enough that he should have died from lack of supply of the drug. Of course, this drug is like the way that the Dominion keeps control over their super soldiers.

It's the lysine contingency, but for super soldiers. Right. Dr. Woo inserted a gene that creates a single fault the enzyme in protein metabolism. The animals can't manufacture the amino acid lysine. Unless they're completely supplied with lysine by us, they slip into a coma and die. And the fact that he survived this led him

to kind of like a revelation about whether or not he even wanted to be a part of the dominion. And he decided he didn't. And led his men back to this planet and is now like hoping that they can go through the withdrawal and come out the other side the same way he did. But it doesn't seem to be going well. He shows Dr. Bashir a group of his soldiers who are like standing in a row shaking.

This is like a really, this is an episode that Renee O'Bourgeneau directed. And it was like, it was switched in shooting order with the visitor because of something to do with Colin Meeney's film shooting schedule. Right. So, Oversonal, I got this script kind of as a surprise and just had to go ahead and shoot it. And he hadn't like had months to prepare for it. So it was a real trial by fire.

And I would say that this is one of those scenes that really shows that like the idea that a bunch of people suffering withdrawal symptomsl symptoms would just be standing, like they're waiting for a bus. Like, put those guys on cuts. God, the 16 is never on time. Ha ha ha. To be quite honest about it, I was in a pair.

A bucket of pay. Mr. Bucket, I have to revert back to my state. Go! No, I don't use the bucket anymore. Garana Gar's origin story is kind of magical, and it also introduces a timeline to this story and a fair amount of stress, because he has confided in Bashir and O'Brien that while his soldiers have a month's supply to get

off of the shit with what they really have is only five days. And what I found out about the story is that it almost had a religious context because the writers considered the idea of a more religious aspect to a garanagers appeal to his troops, but the story of the Ketra-cel white lasting for longer than predicted, and the gem-hedonica story was ultimately dropped. I love yours just really bad puns. I don't know yet, pin. I don't know. Yeah, well, that was obviously in the first draft of the script, but they decided to kind

of take it back to basics. But yeah, Granigar is just really worried that the new chapter of Ketrocel Anonymous that he's trying to get started is not gonna pop off the way he had hoped. Yeah, they are going to be pissed when they find out about their dwindling supply. One moment in this, when one of these soldiers is really suffering. There's kind of like a sergeant character that walks up to him and goes like, take the pain. And I, that caught my ear because it reminded me of that scene in platoon. And this scene was actually guest directed by Oliver Stone. And he actually did it and he didn't accept any payment other than a crate of

Ketrasel White. Oh that's nice. Yeah. Yeah. Figured out that you could dry it out and then cut it up and snort it like a rail. Yeah. Yeah. The thing about Ketrasel White is kind of looks delicious. It looks like Corsata. Yeah, yeah. Nice, uh, cinnamon-y flavor to it. Yeah. It tastes great. Uh, we have a little McLaughlin group.

Is your want back on the station that is an update about what the klingons are up to. And, uh, I thought this was a nice bit of writing, just to kind of remind the viewer that all the rules are really different now. This is not an episode about that per se, but the Klingons are an active threat that we are all still worried about. But it kind of gives way to everybody leaving the room and like Worf and Odo having a bit of a chat. And Worf is giving Odo a hot tip. I discovered that your boy Quark found a piece of equipment that's used for identifying a certain type of crystal, telonion crystals, and telonion crystals are not allowed to be taken off of the telonion home world.

So having a scanner to identify telonion crystals is ridiculous unless Quark is doing something dirty. At this point in the episode, had you taken a side between Odo and Wharf? I mean, I think that the episode is really heavily implying that Wharf is unreasonably stepping on Odo's toes. I was honestly surprised that Odo took this piece of information with appreciation,

you know? I appreciate you bringing me this information, Commander. You know, on paper, if we're just starting season 4 of DS9 and we're bringing back a beloved TNG character, I would have my doubts over whether to make warf an unlikable person or make decisions that we don't agree with as viewers so soon into his reemergence onto a show. And I think it speaks to the ability to paint this conflict between them that like there was never a side when I was on, there was never a moment when I was on Worf side of this. Yeah. I was always with Odo and I would not have expected that given how much I love TNG and how new deep space nine is compared to my relationships between the two characters you

know. I feel like there's a math of, we love this character and we can see him do something bad this early on and not lose our love for him. Yeah. You know, like they can kind of afford to, to spend warf on a scene like this. And also warf never had the reputation of being a character who was right all the time,

for particularly good at things. Like his excellence as a Starfleet officer was what exactly? And I don't mean that to be super disparaging of Worf, which is a character I really like, but like he's not a... Yeah, I mean there's like that super cut of worth getting shot down whenever he suggests something. Yeah. Yeah, like the idea that he is an imperfect character

is well established I guess. And I think that serves the story that's being told here for sure. Madam, have you ever considered a career in security? If it's anything like babysit, I'm an authority. Have you ever considered a career in security? If it's anything like baby, it's a nightmare, no, Tharashay. O'Brien and Bashir are like Bashir kind of a ranges for O'Brien to be allowed to assist him in his research, but O'Brien is just secretly building weapons to try and kill the Gemadar while Bashir looks for a way to cure these guys of their Ketrocell addiction. And there's a pretty funny scene

where O'Brien's like rigged up a garden hose to shoot lightning bolts out of it. And it hits like one of the Gemhidar is inspecting it when it hits one of his buddies. And he almost chokes O'Brien to death, but they decide at Gar garanagars orders. I said, really so. To return him to his holding cell.

And one thing that happens a bunch of times in the episode is the more junior gem hadars are always looking to kill somebody for something. And garanagars always getting in between them and that. And like, including the guy that got hit with the lightning bolt, he's got like a big gash or something and Gohan Agar is always getting in between them and that. And like including the guy that got hit with the lightning bolt, he's got like a big gash on his leg and he's like, kill me. This is great.

You guys are going to have so much more of the Ketro Cell now. If the death of one will make the rest stronger than he dies. Logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Gohan Agar is like, no, that's not what we're doing. We're not playing the games that the founders make us play. We came here to be free of the border. It is time to stop living by their rules. Because the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many.

And that really makes a big impression on Bashir. You know, he's talking to O'Brien about how like he's formed, Granigar is forming his own morality, like kind of as an emergent property of not being brainwashed anymore. He's like starting to come up with his own worldview and stuff. I thought that was pretty interesting. There's a deep sadness in the idea of serving a master that you've never met and can never know. And that was one of the things that Garanagar mentions is like, he's never seen a founder in real life. Like he's getting orders several steps above his station. And that's part of the reason that he doesn't want that life anymore. He doesn't understand it and

he doesn't know who he's taking orders from. It's a crisis of faith. And you know, he used to be very confident in saying, my God is glopier than your God when he was on some planet, subjugating some people. But now he doesn't even know, man. He doesn't even know, man. Bishir's interest in freeing Garanagar and the rest of his crew from From the white feels very

parallel to the Questions brought up when the idea of freeing the boroughs was posed and and like Creating a circumstance where independence could be achieved for them. Right. Yeah. And I mean, like the case he makes to O'Brien, who is hearing none of it, by the way, is that the Gemhead are slaves.

Like they've been subjugated just like everybody else that using a founder in the dominion. And I thought that was a pretty compelling argument, I could really see both sides of that. Yeah, that's what makes the scene great, is not only that they're good buds, but that they both have really strong arguments here. And it turns into a thing where Bashir has to fall fall back on his rank to win the argument. He orders O'Brien to go, you know, get some

equipment out of the brine about. And, you know, you can just see O'Brien rethinking not becoming an officer like got out of all those banquets. But now I got a fucking eat a plentish shits served to me by Julian Bashir. Yeah. Yeah, that can't feel good. Interesting that they never bring up the friendship during the argument either. Right.

I think that's wise. I think that getting back to that argument, the data and Warf had back in the day, like interesting that data was the one that did. Right. In circumstances like this. Yeah. It's really interesting to see their friendship tested because it's always felt like a friendship

of convenience primarily. There's such different guys. But I think it's clear when they disagree that it really distresses both of them, you know, they don't want to be on either side of an issue like this. Much like the conflict between Bashir and O'Brien, there's some unrest among the troops in Garanagar's care, particularly with Iraq Terral, who doesn't like what Garana guards become man. You've changed. You were cooler when you were using the white man.

We used to party. It was awesome. You need to lighten up. You're such a bummer! Fucking harsh my chill every day! Yeah. Yeah, real vibes, real recovery vibes, I feel like. Yeah, yeah. What are you doing?

What are you doing now? A bigard, not bigard, not bigard, not bigard, not bigard. Exactly. Gerandic are trying to start Ketrasel anonymous, and it's becoming clear that Wurf needs security anonymous, because he is now snuck into Quark's bar after hours to secretly watch as Quark makes an illicit deal for these telonium crystals with this bootleg mourn guy.

And Worf kind of like repels down down from the ceiling with a dashbuster like, ha-ha! I foiled your destered leaf plot quirk. I don't know what made me think of this. Other than, than Worf's posture here, but he creeps in from the side of the frame like, uh, Chris Hanson from to catch a predator. And what's going on here seems pretty pervy doesn't it?

You know, like he's so chill in his gacha moment he's like hey, quirk. Why didn't you put the mic's hard lemonade down? Yeah. Talked to me for a while. Why did you sit down over there? It turns out Odo is the Mike's hard lemonade. Yeah, the six pack that Quark bought to Berder for the crystals with gets a ghost gold and Worf drops it on the floor and Odo appears and it becomes clear that Quark was actually in on a fairly sophisticated sting whereby Odo was going to go aboard this guy's ship disguised as Mike's hard lemonade. And if he could avoid getting drunk, he would then follow the ship back to the whatever criminal

syndicate this guy works for and And worth like it's like one of those It's like one of those interagency fuck ups where like the DEA and the FBI are onto the same stash, you know Yeah, you see it all the time in cop show You really do the genre right now. Yeah so Odo gets to kind of, uh, flaunt his security chest to

Wurf security checkers, but unfortunately he's gonna have to settle for arresting the middleman in this, uh, in this particular case. No character on the show feels shame quite like Wurf, and this is professional shame that he's made to feel, right? Yeah. This sucks for him, and it should suck.

Yeah, he is definitely blushing at the end of the scene. Yeah. So back at the runabout, O'Brien has used his advanced knowledge of what button to push on a runabout to cause worth lightning to come out of a panel. And distracted a gemheader, he's beamed himself into the forest nearby. And he's like, he goes full first blood, right? He covers a tricorder with a bunch of leaves and makes a Rambo trap. I love this.

What you choose to call hell equals home. He like meets up with Beshear. We see like, we see one of these Rambo traps actually get sprung and a Gemadar get hit with a log in the face. There's a lot of fun. Yeah, you know, been the lethality of this trap was originally far greater.

Oh yeah. But when the site that O'Brien made from a sharpened panel Then the lethality of this trap was originally far greater. But when the site that O'Brien made from a sharpened panel from the runabout, to capitated a stuntman, they decided to have him construct a non-lethal booby trap instead. Holy shit. Yeah, I read all about this scene because I thought it was fascinating. And one thing that I uncovered is that they actually had a couple of Ewoks on set consulting. Ha, ha, ha.

The, when asked the Ewok said, Yub-Yub. This all leads up to a climax, right like O'Brien escapes. He's running through the jungle like booby traps are flying off behind him. He finally gets to Bashir and He's like he has that moment, right? The I've come to rescue you moment everything comes to a head in this moment It's only 300 meters to the runabout but those those guys move fast. And Beshear says, I'm not going with you, and it's fade to commercial.

Like, dun dun dun. Did you see the gag reel for this episode? Oh, I didn't find that. I did, it was pretty great. There was a version of this scene. God, Calla mean you so great. He looks at Beshe this year and Andre the Giant from the Princess Bride is like,

I've groomed her, it's here. I've ripped these torches. You're a bit dead. And they're newer there. So great, classic Kalamini. Just a cut up. He's a cut up. He's a cut up, yeah. He always, he loves to burn a take just to get everybody kind of in the mood, you know?

Like Billy Bob Thornton doing a sling blade. Yeah, just to delight. It's never not gonna work. Yeah. No more rhymes now, I mean it. Anybody want me to feel that? But yeah, Bashir feels like he's, you know, he's kind of gone back and forth on whether he thinks

he can crack this code of fixing the gem hadar. And there's a point in the middle of the episode where he's like, I don't think it's the planet. I think it's you. I think you have a genetic mutation. And that actually, you know, seems like a defeat then, but then he's like, oh, but maybe I can like, promulgate that mutation to more gem hadar.

And eventually, O'Brien just has to shoot the experiment to get Bashir to agree to come with him. Oh, amazing moment. I didn't think he had it in him. It was pretty wild. Yeah. Kind of a terrible him. It was pretty wild. Kind of a terrible effect. Yeah.

But whatever. So there are about to bounce. Granigar jumps out of the forest and discovers them. And basically the decision is that all is lost. So might as well let these guys go. Because he's a chill Jim Hadar. And he walks them to the Renabout and the guy that got worth lightning

kind of like stumbles out right at that moment. And threatening to kill these two and Granigar actually takes him down. Yeah, Pretty rugged. Of everyone on the planet, we probably knew this guy and his motivations the best, right? Iraq to Raal. Yeah.

I mean, he is speaking for the standard issue Gem had our motivation. He's the number one also. So this is meant to hurt the most when he's executed. It's pretty tough. And so when he goes down, Bashir and O'Brien turn to Garanagar and they're like, well, you could come with us.

Like this, you know, you don't have to live out the rest of your miserable life on this yabbyub planet. Uh-huh. And he's like, he's like, no, man. which one of you was a soldier? You, in the gold, you understand, tell your friend. He's their commander. I trust him.

They can't leave him. They get in there, in their Winnebago, and they head off. Bishir takes a real big city amount of beats before finally getting into the runabout, right? He really does, yeah. Like they really take their time in this moment. Yeah, I like him some pause. I liked letting it, like the ramifications of all this wash over him because he, you know,

like the title of the episode is Hippocratic Oath and he really stuck to his guns on that the entire time and it is now Not even close to being an option. Yeah Yeah We get a couple of little wrap-up scenes One is with Cisco fixing that clock from that one terrible episode. And Wharf comes in to kind of like he read the official report that Odo wrote about arresting that guy and discovered he wasn't in it. Felt bad about it and so he's kind of coming to Cisco to

he wasn't in it. Felt bad about it and so he's kind of coming to Cisco to me a culpa about it. And Cisco's, you know, pretty chill about it. He's like, you know, I'm not mad. It's like an adjustment period and you're in it. This is, this is not like living on a starship. DS9 has a lot more shades of gray. It has 50 shades of gray to be precise. Now, how about you sign this contract, and then we can go into my dungeon? I... And then you put some nipple clamps on Wharf.

I love the idea that Wharf is in a probationary period that he didn't know he was in. That allows for some mistakes to be made. That's basically what what's this guy saying here. He's like, this isn't like being on a ship man. And you'll get that eventually. But you're going to make some mistakes along the way. Yeah. Your average federation vessel doesn't have a guy like Quark working on it. Yeah. Warf, he says like on the enterprise I knew who my friends were and I knew who my enemies were and I could just see him like winding up to list Mott as one of his enemies. You see the fucking haircuts I had on that show?

Season after season. I'm looking like a dope. Yeah. Great moment. Yeah. Season after season, I'm looking like a dope Great moment. Yeah, like moment efficiency, I think these two scenes between Cisco and Warf that bookend the app Yeah, I think a really great. Yeah button on the episode is Bashir and O'Brien Piloting the Winnebago back to the station and O'Brien kind of reminding Bashir that Bashir can and maybe should charge O'Brien with some kind of dereliction of duty for, you know,

disobeying a direct order. And it does really feel like their friendship has changed forever in this scene. It really, really does. They put off the Darts game, Ben. Yeah. Pretty heavy. Some wild shit. I like seeing this moment though. Like, one of the, there's a safety to TNG where like, you

knew no matter what, the senior staff was, was going to remain friends. Their conflicts were external. Yeah. Mostly. And I like that they're, they're introducing some doubt here and that things that happen on missions on this show could have some consequences for the relationships between them. I think that's good. Yeah, agree. Did you like the episode Adam? Yeah, I think this is one of, I mean, one of the great episodes of season four. But really one of the great episodes of the series, I think, so far. Really, really great argument. I love arguments where both parties seem right in their own way.

It was, and especially played out by two actors that we really like, that it was solid. I have big problems with why this away mission or why the survey mission exists at all. Right. Like, if you can just get past that, I think you'll be very happy with this episode. What about you, Ken? I also like the episode. I think it's really smart of them to spend some time showing wharf adjusting to life on this station and this new context.

I think it's totally natural that he would have some adjusting to do. And it not only lets the character live in that reality, but also kind of helps us recalibrate our expectations about what he does on the show, because he serves a very different utility on this show than he did on TNG. And I think it's super smart writing to do that in this episode. Yeah, they're really doing a this ain't

Star Trek the next generation thing. What? What? Yeah. Be sure are Adam. Let's see if we have any P1 messages. Sure do you, Ben. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Need a supplement on top.

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And the call to action is crying. Crying. Maybe crying will work for you. I mean, this is not the first sponsorship money we've gotten from crying. Yeah. We do a lot of it. We're two of crying's most well-known spokespeople. True.

Compensated endorsers for crying. Yeah. But it's nice to get a P1 from crying. Yeah. Man, I wish I knew that this was in reference to specifically. Yeah, I don't know either Just crying in general. Yeah, feels good to cry let it out Let it out

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Yeah. Really cool concept. Is it turbulenceforecast.com for forecast maps or to order your own personalized forecast by email? Very cool. I know that my wife is a particularly anti-turbulence person so I think she would love to know about this website. I'm gonna send her a link right now. I am a little surprised that on this website in Big Bold letters it does not

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his training by Captain Maxwell, the dis... One of the finest captains in the fleet. Yeah, and also like their circumstance, right? The Gem Hedar are uniquely lethal. They've shown a willingness and an interest to kill them. I do not understand his decision to make a non-lethal weapon. Like, the whole, like, that guy is smacked on the head with a log. It's a fucking home alone trap that he makes.

I don't get that. I don't get that at all, and for that reason, O'Brien's my Shimoda. Like, rig the tricorder to explode. Wow. Was my vote. So, yeah, I don't get that. And I think it's okay if you have O'Brien kill a guy. Yeah. It's okay. What about you, Ben? My Shemota is this, the gem had are that actually gets the the Ketrasil white and administers it to himself. We, you know, at the end

of the withdrawal scene, but she has like overcome with sympathy for these guys. And it's like. We, you know, at the end of the withdrawal scene, but shares like overcome with sympathy for these guys. And it's like, well, give them the, give them the stuff for now. They don't need to be suffering like this while I do the research. And so they pass out some, some white and we get a close up of a guy. And the process of installing the vial of Ketrocell white, it just looks like kind of putting your wallet away in your suit jacket. I just thought that was pretty fun. They had the little pipes with the liquid going into their necks like seasons ago, I feel like, you know, ever since we've seen these characters.

They've had a long time to develop the look and tactile feeling of installing, of injecting themselves or whatever. And I, yeah, they don't want us to see it going in. I get, did we see it at some point in like one of the other, I don't know if we've seen it before, but it just, it just seemed very funny to me that it would just be like, yeah, just stick it behind your, stick it in your breast pocket and that's all you have to do. Especially with the composition they give it, like you're expecting to see something. Right, yeah.

And then it just disappears behind a lapel. Yeah. So, it'll silly. Yeah, agreed. What do we have coming up on the next episode? The next episode is season four episode four in discretion. Force to bring DeCott along on a personal mission. Kira discovers the real reason her nemesis wants to accompany her. Wow, a buddy mission with DuCott and Kira. Is this gonna be a callback to when Garrick outed DuCott's crush on her?

Is that gonna be what this is? Shit, dog. I don't know. You will be delighted to learn that the top that she wears in the episode where she kills the pizza oven is back in effect. I'm looking. Pizza top is back.

Yeah, looking at the little thumbnail here. It's unmistakable. That is great. Love that. Well Adam, this is your episode to roll them bones and find out how we will be doing said episode. Next episode is a max fund ride episode, so it would be pretty wild if it was something fun. Wouldn't it be? It would be so wild, Ben. Yeah, I mean, we already, we did something fun this week,

so maybe people are inspired enough by that. I don't know if you had fun, but I had fun this week. I had great fun. Great fun indeed, Ben. Just a few squares ahead, we have a cot and the nebula square. And I think that's the only thing in range. Cot and the nebula is kind of the polar opposite of an nth degree, right? Like this would be no notes, no scrubbing into the into the

episode, just doing our darnness to remember how the episode went and describe it back to each other. Yeah, like a like a game of Star Trek telephone. Oh man, I cannot wait to get one of those and hear all of the corrections. I'm, I'm just gonna delete all my accounts. Get to that point. Alright, do you want to, uh, you want to roll the dice? You're required to learn as you play. Roll. Alright, in my sweaty palm I have placed the die and I am rolling.

Tula! Did I win? palm I have placed the die and I am rolling. Tula! Did I win? I have rolled a two which has plopped our runabout on square 80 inching ever closer to the cut and the nebula episode but placing us firmly back into the bosom of a regular, greatest gen app, I would argue because it's a max fund drive episode, maybe, uh, maybe we crack a couple of brew dogs just to be festive about it. That sounds delightful, Adam. Yeah. Well, that will be the next episode really looking forward to it.

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