The Greatest Generation - Confiding in a Blender (S4E23)

Episode Date: December 26, 2016

When Dr. Crusher falls in love with a gassy diplomat, her attraction only goes skin-deep. That doesn't stop Commander Riker from attempting a sexual conquest that has, up until now, been strictly off-limits. How long are you locked up for Grand Theft Body? Is there such a thing as a "sexual matrix"? What's Riker packing, anyway? It's the episode that suffers from a case of body whiplash!

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It feels like it's been a long time when we've just sort of walked into a show without anything to talk about. What are we gonna do with this expansive 2-2, 7 minutes that we spend at the top of every show, not talking about what people came here to hear us talk about? Do you want to open up more cards? I would do that. Alright, let's do that. The game is five cards, the game is exceeding.

They're simple. What are the suggestions for cards there? Time to pluck a pendulum. Okay, let's open them up. You know, I was thinking last episode when we were recording that. I still only have two signed cards. I mean, I had that one that was like signed by one artist, but that's embossed signature.

Like, you didn't actually put a pen to that card. You know, then that means in the gambler's fallacy parlance that you do. Yeah, well, this is, I think, I think they're including this one seven packs left so I know that there's one in one of these We're at the point in the in the box that these are all repeats Ooh, I got best of both worlds part two

You don't say yeah, I don't think I had that one before. How's that look? Looks great. Show me in the camera that we're now using. Hey! Kind of dark, but uh... Yeah. It's kind of a... I think it's meant to evoke the flair on the lens

that they got whenever Patrick Stewart would nail it with that laser attached to his head. We didn't really talk about in that when we recorded those episodes like how good he was at doing that. Yeah yeah it seemed like there must have been some luck involved but no maybe not maybe that's a real skill. I think I think like the beam has to hit the lens somehow and and it's hard to aim something at something you're not looking directly at. Oh, but I guess he was always talking to... We should mention as we do every once in a while that we're opening up Star Trek the Next Generation

Portfolio Prince Trading Card Season 1. Yeah. And by that I mean, Series 1. Otherwise known as the odds. Yeah. We've heard that they got renewed for season two. The events. Yeah. Let's see what else do I got? I got Dayjock Q. I've got Homeward. Oh, this is that one where we meet Worf's foster brother. And then I've got one for the enemy. That that one where we meet Worf's foster brother, and then I've got one for the enemy. That one where Jordy falls down the well. Yeah, and he meets a bread box down there. Yeah, and then my last one is for a comic book cover, and it's for children of chaos.

What to look like? I guess it's a comic book about some non... I guess this must be the Stargazer because it's got like a depiction of Patrick Stewart with a full head of hair. And let's see, it says... Is it a fade? Is it a high top fade? It's a... I wish. It's a... It's a... It's a...

I wish. It's a real square hair cut. Put it that way. It says, well, Captain of the Stargazer Picard won a trial by combat on Chalna, enraging Chalnoth advisor, Pathox. In the present, the Enterprise finds the

Federation ship Aquitaine and the Chalnoth Vessel Blade in orbit above a planet. Their crew's missing. Also investigating is the Chalnoth Worship, the bludgeonor, captured by Pathox. I had to take Aquitaine a little bit during junior high to help cure my acne. Oh yeah, did you get a little of the signature anal bleeding that that drug is so strongly associated with? Still do. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Nothing! I mean, they're all repeats. Hey! I got a 1-1-0-0-1, 0-0-1.

Masterpiece Society, I got Emergence and the First Duty. All repeats. I'm basically in this for you, Ben. Like, we're waiting. Because you don't have... Waiting with baited breath for your next signature card. You don't... There's no uncertainty for you.

You have all of the big cards that you're gonna unwrap. You've already unwrapped. I do, I got my Sterling Macer Jr. My Charles Dennis and my Gary Foxy JC Brandy. I mean, in some ways I envy you when you opened all those, but now I kinda like the fact that I still have, I still have a lot of potential in my packs. What if you get a fucking whoopee?

That would be incredible. What if we've read wrong and there's a fucking giga in there? It would be one of the best moments the show's ever had. That would be, we might have to just end the show on that high note, you know. We gave away three Yagers on our tour and I've yet to see them pop up on eBay, which I think is a good sign. I was very stern with everyone who we gave Yagers to, not to sell them on the open market and should they're word, They've not done that.

Yeah, they did you right. Well, the Yeager bubble remains. Yeah. Unfortunately nobody has taken you up on your thousand dollar Yeager, haven't they? Not yet, but I'm confident one day they will. Speaking of inflation, I believe our overly inflated Marin Open has come to a close. What do you say we talk about an inflation of another kind? The inflation of a belly. It's season four, episode 23, the host. This is becoming a speech. You're the captain, so very entitled. I'm not going to type it, a ramble on about something everyone knows. This is a captain's log being recorded by Dr. Crusher.

And a guest logs. Yeah. This is two lady logs in a row, which is nice. Like episodes that are not from the perspective of the straight cisgendered white male characters all the time. Most ladies deny that they ever do lugs at all. This is the 24th century Adam. I think that we've gotten past that kind of mythology.

You ever walk into a bathroom after a lady does a lug? Taurifying. And some ways they're more powerful than we are. Yeah. Well, you know, there's a lady log in this episode, but there's no lady loaf. Nope. Tell the very end. Spoiler alert. Soiler alert. The

the doctor is pretty excited because she's just gotten a letter from Wesley. He's doing great at the Academy, but also she's got a boyfriend, and we come out of an exterior shot of the ship to an ECU on some face-second going on. It is really close up. There is so much face-second in this episode. It's almost like an uncomfortable overuse of super close-up kissing. Like they've already gone through the like, they're like getting to know you a part of their relationship.

They're fully in like excited honeymoon mode with this relationship. And it's Dr. Crusher and this guy Odin, who is a lightly loafloved ambassador from Trill, and he is a mediator, and he's kind of a similar type of character to Ginger Jesus, and that they are ubering him to a planet where there's some hostilities taking place and he is going to, he's going to defuse the situation and get everybody back on peaceful terms. All the great diplomats have a couple of traits, Ben.

You got your deep V. Yeah. And do you have your late 80s, early 90s David Copperfield hair? They really do have that same haircut. Yeah. It's feathered like the cover of a disco album. Yeah. He's looking great. Yeah. They are smooching in the elevator and data hops on. I'm Bessler O'D down, Dr. Crusher.

I was just on my way to speak to you at one of the floors and it's like I'm interested in collaborating with you on some of the research we've been doing on this planet we're heading to. And if you've got a couple hours to spare, I can brief you on my findings and like they're definitely headed off to bone down. So they need to kind of guess out of this situation.

And so they kind of construct an elaborate fiction that, unfortunately, I'm not feeling very well. And the doctor is going to, bring you a hypospory to take care of it. So she's got an excuse to get away from Commander Data. Do you think they're very lucky that it was Data that hopped on board the turbo lift instead of Jordy? Hahaha.

Because Jordy could have seen through his visor of what was actually happening. Yeah. You can hide a boner lean from Data. You can't hide it from Jordy. It is so cruel and unnecessary to lie to data. Yeah. What's it gonna hurt to tell the truth?

Just say like, data, please don't tell anybody else about this, but oh, Dan and I are gonna go bone down. And we just don't have time to work with you right now. Yeah. It's like confiding in a blender. It's not gonna hurt his feelings. Exactly. Like, they are acting the way they might have around

Jordy and gotten busted. No reason to act like that around data. And they know him, you know? Yeah, yeah. Weird choice. Weird choice. Anyways, they split up and OJN goes back to his quarters and he's like, you know, getting ready for the sex and gets his shirt open and he is rocking like a proto-quato. Like his

belly is like moving around and rippling and bulging. He has a sort of erection right now. Yeah, it's like a pregrection. Because it looks a little bit like he's got a baby in him. He's really got some grumble guts. Like he went out and had some food truck food that didn't agree with him earlier. Looks like he might be in some trouble. Yeah. Well, he might want a pre-pepto before his date gets there.

Yeah, and he's got a pre-pepto in the form of a weird device that he shines on his belly and it calms down the, whatever is moving and rippling around in there. Boobing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, b like he's got like post coitus clothes on, but she's like back in uniform and she's got to go to work and he's trying to like he's trying to like hey why don't she come back and roll around with me one more time and this is a weird episode because I read that Gates McFadden was pretty pregnant while they shot this. And so they do a lot of like her, her doctor's smock is always closed in this episode, which does a little bit to hide it, but she's like seven months in. And wow.

And they definitely like had to put the camera in places that it might not have normally been to obscure the fact that she has a fairly serious belly of her own. Look at you doing research. Yeah. Well, yeah, like it, I kind of knew that that had happened at some point, because it also happened in Voyager with the engineer in that series, Belonatora's like one in one season she just has like a a Smok on the whole time and it's like never really commented on why she has a smok and It's because she was pregnant and they needed to hide the fact that she was pregnant because it wasn't like being written into the show

But yeah like like Gates McFadden had to do this like it wasn't like being written into the show. But yeah, like Gates McFadden had to do this like really kissy super schmaltzy, huggy kissy kissy part while she's like very heavily with child. It made it real weird for me to watch. I think the actor commentary track would be super fascinating from the show, both from his and her perspective.

Yeah. Yeah, because he's got the belly bulging out, so does she, so they have to really lean over to get their kisses in. Yeah. Just the body language along. You have to really eye full tower that over their belly. Well, anyways, the delegates come aboard.

Or like, I guess the first, there's going to be three delegates, right? Like, there's the kind of, the governor of the main planet tells them about these two moons that each have their own sort of nation-state on them and the people on each moon hate each other's guts and there's some sort of energy system on one of them that's fucking up the ecology on the other one and they're mobilizing for war. And Odin is the only person in the galaxy who can talk them down off this ledge. And I guess his father was the diplomat that negotiated an accord in a previous generation. So they're very hopeful that Odin could kind of like keep this legacy going. But you know, the situation is tense

and these very loft up, very strange looking aliens are pretty pissed off at each other. And so Odin is gonna go, I guess down to like one of the planets and try and talk some sense into all of them. And so they're like, cool, well, we'll beam you down, buddy. And he's like, excuse me, Captain, I prefer to shuffle to the surface. He's like a McCoy slash Polasky type, doesn't trust the transporter. And this is common enough to where this doesn't raise any

eyebrows, they're like, sure, we'll sticking a Previa with Writer or Best Pilot, won't be a problem. Yeah, which is classy move, right? Like they don't put them in a, they don't put them in a bunk bed. They're like, you're not going in one of our flat pack shuttles. You're going in one of the nice ones. And so they get on board and like, you know, I guess, Crusher and him, like kind of have a nice like, kiss goodbye kind of thing.

I think before this, Troy has like, has like explained to Dr. Crusher that everybody is on to her. She thinks she's real slick. Her relationship with Odin is not common knowledge on the ship. She's having a little spa day and Troy comes in and she's like, hey, so... You're in love. And Crusher's like, heavens me, I have hey, so you're in love. And, and Cresher's like, heaven's me. I have no idea what you're talking about.

And Troy's like, everybody knows you two fucking. This scene is so awkward. Yeah. Can they have put on some leotards and done a workout? It just plays into the way that female friendships are portrayed on the show versus male friendships. When you're in a male friendship, you meet up in 10 forward over some beverages.

You meet up in the phaser target range to talk things out. When you are a lady type person, you meet in the spa. And I feel like that's unfortunate. You know, like they don't have to put an eye mask on Beverly. They don't have to put her cuticles in the green tea, you know? Yeah. And on the one hand, I can appreciate the idea that a ship of this size with the diversity of its crew should cater to girls who want, girl time.

And I think that's good, right? Like that's good. And we should see that in a scene like this. But we should also see like, like if this is such a, if this is such a, you know, progressive future, like shouldn't Wurf go for like a mani-pedi every so often? Sure.

Yeah, get some frosted tips It is the early 90s Ben Worphin K. Lara go for his and hers Brazilians. Oh Man gonna have to go over that a couple of times. I imagine Several rips. Yeah. So Troy just sort of, uh, relationships, planes, Beverly a little bit into it. She sort of calls attention to the idea that she might be honey moaning, and Beverly is like, but this feels so real. This feels, this doesn't feel like that sort of fake,

new relationship shit. I really like this guy, and I think we might be into it for the long term. Yeah. And they sort of leave it at that. He might be the one. Yeah. So anyways, Odin gets on this on this shuttle and at this point, Crusher knows the cats out of the bag. So she, she's openly affectionate with him as he leaves. And it's pretty quick that we know that this shuttle is going to be in big trouble. The way that we know that is data gives copious updates on its status as it leaves the ship. Shuttle is cleared the bay door. I feel like whenever data is telling you way more than you need to know about what's going on with the shuttle,

you know that trouble is not far around the corner. And sure enough, a ship claiming to be an escort from one of the moons comes out from a shadow and starts taking potshots at the shuttle. And for some reason the enterprise does not defend the shuttle. I feel like if you've got, like the shuttle is just left and the mother ship is right there, like, and they're like, oh, fuck, those guys are shooting at our guys. They don't, you know, like, why doesn't Wurf just bullseye with one of the phasers? This is like a gulf of Tomkin moment, right? Like, like, they're, they're shit's getting blown up a little bit and they don't return

fire. They don't return fire, I guess, because they, their shit's getting blown up a little bit and they don't return fire. They don't return fire, I guess, because they don't want to start a war. It's never really explained. I feel like it isn't. I guess you, I guess the situation is really tense. So any destruction of material could be the, the match in the tinder box, but but yeah I feel like you're allowed to defend yourself or at least extend the shields of the enterprise around the shuttlecraft. I mean it just left. I think there are a lot of problematic issues that they have with these shuttles. It seems like

any time a shuttle gets close to a planet's atmosphere, it's a goner, like there's nothing they can do about it. And in the same way, as soon as this shuttle leaves the nest, they're unable to defend it in any way, either. There's shuttle rules, and then there are starship to starship rules, and I feel like those are totally different in the show. That's true. Well, anyways, in the process of ducking some of this phaser fire, Odin falls out of his seat and... We have a medical emergency. And so, like, they get him back to Six Bay and he's like on death's door and he's like, hey, listen, like you're getting weird readings on that tricorder because this, like, points

to his face, this ain't me, and then he's, he points down to his belly. Because this is me, and Cresher is standing over him, and the belly starts rippling around, and she's like, What the fuck is that? Get this guy 40ccs of Gasex. Ow! So it turns out Odin is not a man. He is a man with a symbiont in him. There's a parasite or a creature that is living symbiotically with him.

The humanoid part is just the host and the mind and personality live in this thing that lives inside of him. And he's saying like the host is dying. There's nothing to say that the symbionne has to die though. Like just call up the people at Trill and they'll send a new host out. They'll be here. They'll be here just in the nick of time. But it's like a grand theft auto situation. The Trill has crashed his car Uh-huh, and he needs to get out of this car and get into another.

Keep going. Yeah, uh, yeah, and hopefully like hopefully crash the car in a good part of town where there's nice whips to steal, you know? Right, right, yeah. They discover that the trail replacement host is gonna be, it's gonna be there in a couple of days. They're coming, but it's not soon enough to keep this ambient alive in the meantime.

And so data's like, well, you could try stitching it into me and they're like, data, you're a robot. Like, that doesn't make any sense at all. It is the dumbest idea, maybe ever offered on the show. Like, there is nothing that makes us believe that that's a viable option. Yeah, it's very strange. Like, I would give my leftovers to data to keep warm,

but I would not depend on him to keep a life form warm. Yeah. Like, in utero style. Very strange. So, Riker sees how sexually magnetic Odin is with the trail. And at this moment, I think he sort of feels like this is the top of the mountain for him. Like, I've been in my sexual prime for years. I have been inside many species, but I've not had a species inside me. Do you remember the cartoon version of Transformers?

Oh, but yeah. So the story in Transformers is there's this matrix of leadership. The Optimus Prime has inside his body. Makes him, that gives him all the leadership qualities that the Autobots follow. And I feel like Riker sees this as sort of a sexual matrix, but inside him so, to make him like R Riker misprime. Like the peak sexual riker with this trill inside him. Now he can obtain consent even from the doctor who had never have granted it before.

That's what I'm saying, because Ben, it is just as insane of an idea for Riker to offer his body to do this as it was for data. Like, this makes no sense. It's wild, but it happens. And so they do this operation. They drop this crazy-looking slug into Riker's belly. Let's describe it a little bit.

It's like a nerf football- size thing with a little tail on it. What are those dinosaurs that look like little turtles with a little ball tail on the back? I think you're thinking of Ankleosaurus. Yeah, it looks like a little baby Ankleosaurus, but it's got like lights on it. Yeah, it's got some kind of some kind of like rave paint on it like this thing would definitely look good under under a black light yeah yeah you totally see this guy the deadmouse show yeah and uh totally rolling

and totally rolling. Why are you sweating, EncleoSor? You're also so cold. Yeah. Oh, man, I would love to see an EncleoSor at a rave. Be great. Yeah. He's making those shapes with his hands. Yeah. Yeah. And then he passes it to his friend and you're like, whoa, wait, is that really a shape? The thing about making those shapes is that, like, that's mime, and mime is stupid.

And it's all of a sudden cool when it's at a rave. Yeah, well, as long as you're... As long as the opening of your pant leg is larger than the opening of the waist, then it's cool. As long as you have 40 mini stuffed animals into your pants. As long as there is a glow stick in your mouth, it's fine. So this trill gets into riker the way an overweight person gets into a bathtub. Like, just sort of like, like, wiggles itself down,

like slowly lowers itself into Rikers belly, and you see on Rikers face that things are starting to take hold. That's a bit like the way Kirk gets into the captain's chair in generations. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And definitely with a little bit of ass wiggle.

Yeah, not tailored for the size of its ass. Yeah. But it gets in there. And then Riker is on the bridge in like deep V O'Dan garb. Trying to talk the governor of this planet into believing that he is in fact a mediator that they're looking for and He started about this you know being a little bit secretive about this, but in fact he is also the father figure that they thought

You know negotiated the last piece treatise like I'm the same guy like it's me all the way down This is just this is just how my species rolls. And so you guys are gonna- It's a Clio sores all the way down. You guys are gonna have to wrap your loaf and crusted heads around this and get to this conference table because the stakes are too high for you

to not accept this as the truth. In an episode that asks you to take everything at face value, this to me seemed like the most unbelievable part. Like in a negotiation like this, when your trust is broken, it's just over. And so what he's told both sides of the faction is that you just got to believe me. I'm the same guy, even though I look totally different. Also, I've been lying to you the entire time because I'm really an EnchleoSor and not the deep V David Copperfield that you knew before. And I was also my father that you met. Like it's three and one yeah, and he's and he's asking these guys to trust him now

Like I know I lied to you before but but baby you got to start trusting me We got to we got to keep this thing together listen I know I defrauded thousands of of honest students with my fake university and I know that I That I wrote off $900 million in under other people's money as a personal loss on my tax return you just got to accept the fact that i am who i say i am

so you guys ready to get on board the inner enterprise and help me drain the swamp what's up and uh... surprisingly enough these guys come to the table. Yeah. So the episode sort of splits into at this point, and the story is sort of in parallel, raker slash Odin, running this negotiation,

and Beverly kind of trying to sort through her feelings about the fact that the man she still loves is alive in the body of Riker now. And she's like a human. And so she's accustomed to the person that she loves looking a certain way on a consistent basis and is not really sure what to do about the fact that now he looks exactly like Riker.

So like she's trying to drown her sorrows about this and Troy catches her. Do you think O'Don traded up? Yeah, absolutely. I think so too. Yeah. Yeah. Like, it's only weird for Beverly because it's Riker. It's not because Riker's unattractive. No, yeah, yeah. Like it's only weird for Beverly because it's Ryker. It's not because Ryker's unattractive.

No, yeah, exactly. What do you think Odon feels when he goes into the bath in the first time and sees all those warts? What do you think Ryker is packing? Do you think he's like average? Or do you think he's like in pretty good shape down there? Do you think it's an upgrade or a lateral move or a downgrade for Odin? I think when you are truly packing, when you are a real stickman, I don't think you have

to try as hard as Riker seems to try all the time, like with the lines and the moves and the swavvness. So I would tend to believe that Riker is compensating through this. And not for being a little guy, but I feel like he might be average with above average game. Okay, fair enough.

Well anyways, Crusher is like having some tea bumming out in 10 forward. Hey Ben, you didn't answer the question how big do you think Riker's dick is? like is having some tea, bumming out, and 10 forward. And uh... Hey Ben, you didn't answer the question how big do you think Riker's dick is? Which was the question you asked me earlier. Don't leave me out here alone. Did you shoot it back at me?

I didn't hear you say that. Well I thought that would be... I have to answer all of the questions I pose. I would prefer that you also answer this one. I found your answer to be pretty satisfying. I think that's pretty apt. Okay. I just don't want to be the only one

with an opinion on the record about Rikers' Dick size. Here's what I'll say about Rikers' Dick size, Adam. I think there's an objective empirical Rikers' Dick size, about which I think you're right. I think it is probably an average pain, but I think that like psychologically, that shit fits, you know, like that shit fills, fills your shit up. You know, like it's, it's, it's, there are probably moments when you think it's too much, but yeah, it ends up, it's just enough.

It feels like a lot, but it's like, it's a challenge that you want to rise to. Indeed. Well, I'm sorry I asked. Okay. Mission accomplished. Because it got that level of detail. My love is a piece of long and tough about

which long enough has the best of it. How many more is longer than I said, let me see. How do you know you're not the boy? Anyways, Crusher is... I'm not even gonna describe the conversation between Troy and Crusher and Tendford. It's just that she's like trying to sort out these feelings. So, Ryker does a pretty good job of keeping going with the negotiations, but he's starting to kind of fall apart. And he's saying like, no, no, no, I'm fine.

You know, like he's telling everybody that the symptoms of, you know, like the, the trail doesn't agree with him necessarily. And he keeps saying like he's chilling, but his hair is telling another story. And, you know, it's, it's all pressure can do to kind of keep him alive. I feel like you got to get the clip show machine at the ready at this point when you see how he's kind of circling the drain. He's getting real sweaty. Yeah, warm it up, keep it on standby.

Yeah, his hair is out of place. It's not looking good. Yeah, and this is sort of when she kind of breaks down, you know, like, like, he's kind of refusing any help and she goes and like tries to have a T in her quarters and she looks at this flower that he gave her and she's like, nope, I'm going to go back and get some of that D. And so she goes to his quarters and they get down. I mean, to what degree do you think Riker is in there as in like in the thoughts? Is he is he a passenger in this vehicle and he is also

experiencing this at the same time, or is he basically like in a coma? The Riker part of the body has gone away. I think, I would really like an ancient part. Is it like, is it like the Barclay episode where he like has memory of all the actions but can't remember like why he, why or how he did anything? Right, and we never get an answer to that.

It's, it's not even treated like an interesting question. Like we don't see Ryker after the Trill comes out of him. Yeah, and God, what an amazing, no, I mean, he's asleep on a bed in Six Bay. Yeah. And the Trill is in a jar of barberside, like waiting for the next. Yeah.

Yeah, so like they bang, Riker slash Odin, fixes the diplomatic situation at this, at Planet MacGuffin, and then like, you know, it's like kind of just in time for the Trill hose to be coming. Like they have to like beam the delegates off the ship

and go warp nine to meet the the trail ship on route. And Crusher takes the take the slug out of Riker and they're waiting for the trail to show up and who should show up to be the next host but a lady. And not an attractive lady. This really put this episode in the early 90s. Yeah, and I feel like they peanut butter over what could truly be the issue with a pretty flimsy issue. The new Odin, the female Odin walks into Beverly's office after the operation and is like,

hey babe, hey. And it's like, and Beverly's pretty cold to the idea. She's like, look, this has been a real roller coaster for me. I've seen you in three different bodies now in the last couple days, and I've got like body whip lash. So I don't know if I can love you anymore based on what this is, and what it totally disregards the gender change, which I believe to be in this moment in time, And what, it totally disregards the gender change,

which I believe to be in this moment in time, like contemporary to when the show was made, the real issue. Yeah, it's like something that is very retrograde to us. Sitting here in 2016 watching it and probably seemed really radical at the time. Yeah. It's like chasing Amy. If you watch that movie now, you're like, holy shit.

Like this is such a bad exploration of LGBT issues, but at the time it was like, wow, isn't it cool that we're going to an art house cinema and watching a movie that has like loving depictions of gay characters? To be quite honest, most Kevin Smith films have not aged that well. Well neither is this episode I think. And I think that like, like the, yeah, you're absolutely right. Like the real issue for the doctor is that it's a girl, not a boy. issue for the doctor is that it's a girl, not a boy. And like, all you need to know about that being the case

is that she kind of like, she kind of like looks away when they're, when they tell her the new host is about to come in and then she turns around like a kid about to open a Christmas present and is immediately crestfallen when it's an attractive blonde and an attractive man. That's the moment. That's the moment when you know the scene that follows is a lie. Yeah.

Because she was excited at one time for the new man. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, kind of disappointing. You know, I feel like she needs to listen to Macklemore's Seminole song, Same Love, and think about loving the person and not the gender, Adam. Do you think once the world opens up to the idea of aliens, like after first contact, does the whole tension between genders fall away?

Like, do you need proof of life on other planets to fully evaporate whatever that weird, like, gender block is with respect to romantic relationships? I don't know. Because to me, like, this, this, this sci-fi future feels post-gender to me in a lot of ways. And so it felt very weird to me that suddenly that's a big issue. Yeah. Well, it felt like a moment where the time that the show was made leaked into the time when the show was supposed to depict in a way that they couldn't stop. Right, or it's not to stop.

And I mean, like, they could have had the same outcome with Dr. Crusher saying something about like, there are many people in my society that are very gender fluid, and I wish I could get there, but I personally can't, or something like that, you know? Yeah. Because like, there's lots of people that are bisexual,

and like, I think that it's not, like I think research is starting to indicate that for women it's like fairly common to be attracted to both genders, right? Maybe Beverly sexuality is only specific to a hairstyle because Beverly really enjoys some big thick hair. Jack Crusher had it, Odin had it, Riker on certain days, has it? Sure, yeah, she could get down, Riker on certain days has it?

Sure, yeah, she could get down with Riker. Yeah, well, I don't know. I mean, maybe her interests are that granular. I feel like I have butted up pretty hard against my fairly feeble understanding of human sexuality studies at the end of this conversation. If you have some letters, I would recommend sending them to Jesse Thorn. But yeah, a little bit of a sad trombone ending to this story that I found a bit disappointing.

But that is the host. Do you have a little blinking light on your keyboard right now Ben? I sure do Adam. Let's uh let's see if you can bring ourselves to fuck this light. I already one message from Starfleet coming in on secure channel. Need a supplement? A supplement? A supplement. Stoppolo. Yes, extra. The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship. Our first of two personal priority one messages comes from Susan, insert nickname here Ben, so I'm going to say Susan lobster hands,

and also Wilbur and Henry, And this message is for Andrew and it goes like this. Merry Christmas from your wife and guinea pigs. Thanks for being a great guinea pig dad, putting up with my various trunk tomatoes and for not giving up on the difficult levels in life. Here's to our continuing mission together fueled by T. Oral Greyhot, cuddles with the pigs and great podcasts like this one that we can enjoy together. I love you. Wow Susan. Oh that is real sweet. Truly heartfelt. It's got to be hard to take care of any pigs when you got those lobster hands though. About half of our listeners seem to listen not contemporaneous with the release of episodes and so I feel like anybody that's going through here might not realize that like this is these are all going out right around the holidays. Yeah, but uh but yeah the

the the holiday priority ones have gotten real, real touching, in my opinion. Yeah. Isn't that nice? That's real nice. Real sweet. Thanks, Susan. I wish I had thought to get you a priority one message, Ben. But I didn't get you anything.

I'm sorry. You sent me a lovely card that made me and my wife laugh out loud at him. Oh, good! I was wondering if you got that. Yeah, it was great. Nice. Our second priority one message is from Ross, Andrea and Sally, and it is for Ryan. And the special request on this message is to please read it as Kevin Oxbridge.

So here we go. Dear brother, I am a doubt. And a mortal being who has never used his powers to help you up until now. As you have no reliable cure, I give you Dugo's Shuttle from the episode Final Mission. It is a sturdy craft with a super pilot. Don't worry about the Shrusters. They've been vetted by the Galic she's finest in snues. It is a sturdy craft with a silver pilot. Don't worry about the structures. They've been vetted by the Galaxies finest in snows.

Don't say I never did nothing for you. Love Kevin. I'm just picturing, you know those Lexus commercials that they have around the holiday, where they pull it into the driveway with a huge bow on it. Oh yeah. Dergo's Shuttle with like a perfect red velvet bow on top. Oh, man, you'd you never see that bow in real life. No, don't be ever does that. It sucks. Wow, we'll enjoy your brand new car, Ryan.

will enjoy your brand new car, Ryan, Ross Andrea and Sally and also Kevin, I guess. Yeah, maybe take it into a mechanic and have them check the brakes. Yeah, I mean, pre-purchase inspection is probably a good idea, especially of Jordy's the guy poking around under the hood. Yeah. Safe travels, Ryan. Hey, Pan. What's that, Adam? Those aren't grumble guts.

Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? Drunk Shimoda! Uh, I did, but I kinda wanna toss it to you this time. Okay. Who's your drunk Shimoda, Adam? To me, it is about a thing that this show does to convey a sense of alien wisdom. And that is the pan flute music. The pan flute music is back in a big way.

Every time Odant says anything, anytime the trill is inside Riker and Riker talks, anytime discussion of the trill occurs, you get this this Native American pan flute motif, and it's just really condescending, I think. So it's one of the it's one of the unlikable Shimoda moments that we occasionally call attention to. And so my Shimoda goes to the pan flute. Nice. Mine is, I guess the doctor for that scene in the elevator at the beginning where she and Odin are kind of kept up with a, they're kind of rifting up

a fictional reason why they can't get down to work with data. Just for the like, unnecessary of that. I just like, like data is, data's stated purpose for being is that he wants to learn more about being human and concealing aspects of your biological lifestyle from him is like so unfriendly. You know? How friendly do you want them to be? Like do you want them to invite him over as a third? Like that time that he stood in the corner

watching somebody give birth? Beverly and Odin are in the lifestyle. No, but I just think that like pussy footing around it is like, like he's, he is never offended when somebody sends him out of the room. Yeah. So just, just, just give it to him. Just send him out of the room. Just be like, I dated it.

Like, I'd prefer if you didn't share this with anybody else, but we have some private uh, mommy and daddy stuff to do right now, and we'll catch up with you later. He has proven himself to be the best secret keeper on the ship. Yeah. You don't have any problem telling him that? Yeah, I guess she doesn't know that though, right? Because they had the white per memory of that.

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