The Greatest Generation - Corpse Compass (VOY S2E10)

Episode Date: August 2, 2021

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Starting point is 00:02:26 Do it captain. Welcome to the greatest generation. It's a Star Trek podcast by a couple of guys who are a little bit and theirs to have a Star Trek podcast. I'm Ben Harrison. I'm Adam Pranika. Wow. We've got two thumbs and is Adam Pranika.
Starting point is 00:02:42 This guy. I just got back from a wedding, Ben. Oh yeah, you were bracing yourself for this wedding travel. I've been up to Seattle now twice in two weeks. There's a lot of back and forth. Yeah, more back and forth than I'm comfortable with. Really? You're really burning the airplane at both ends. You are a total wedding man.
Starting point is 00:03:07 You go to so many weddings that it shocks me. And now, I feel like it's wedding season clearly. You get into these summer months and that's what it is. But I thought I'd spend it's also pent-up wedding demand. I thought I had aged out of the weddings. Of going to the movies. That's going nice things about being in your forties is that there are fewer weddings and when there are weddings, it's often second weddings, so people are not pulling as many
Starting point is 00:03:36 stops out as they might have otherwise. Yeah. Yeah, this wasn't one of those. This was the first wedding. This was the first wedding in so many respects This is for a a great friend of my wife who I also happened to like a lot, but like A lot of the choices made and I don't mind saying this on the show. They don't listen A lot of the choices made seem to be coming from a place of not having been to a wedding
Starting point is 00:04:05 before, like really brave choices, like number in the wedding party and just a basically chaotic scene at the DJ booth where people were like plugging in their own phones and playing the music. Yeah, you texted me that the inmates were running the asylum when it came to how the music was being done at that wedding? And I was amazed. That's like something that you have to take really seriously at a wedding.
Starting point is 00:04:33 Because it's a tough needle to thread, right? Like the musing has to appeal to the like breadth of ages of the attendees. Like you've got to get grandma about a chair moving around a little bit, but you've got to get grandma about it for chair, moving around a little bit, but you also have to, you know, the bridesmaids also have to dance around a little bit. When was the last time you went to a wedding
Starting point is 00:04:53 and experienced something you had never experienced before, or even thought you'd ever experienced? Something happened at this wedding, Ben, that balloon me away. Can you still be surprised with all the weddings you go to? I mean, I've been to some pretty wild weddings, but I don't think any of them have drawn outside the lines so much, you know.
Starting point is 00:05:20 The riot at the DJ booth is happening. I'm using the word DJ booth pretty liberally It was a PA system with an ox in which is fine like that's a very fun way to do a smaller wedding This is not a smaller wedding. I was like I want to say 150 people there fun dinner everyone's having a good time the drinks are flowing open bar You like to see that. You do, you do. But then there is a, whatever the digital version of the record scratches, when one of the
Starting point is 00:05:53 groomsmen plugs in their phone, and some very John T. Musick starts playing, it's fun. It's fun, and he gets on the mic. And what happened next was something that the groom I found out later had said specifically, never ever to do, do not do this. I do not want this. Do not do the money dance. Have you ever been to a wedding where there's a money dance? Uh, I have heard tell of the money dance.
Starting point is 00:06:22 I don't think I've actually witnessed in person. When the bride and the groom are thrust into a money dance that they've said specifically, they do not want. Incredible. That's a really awkward situation. I mean, my drink got stronger just from awkwardness. Like, it suddenly got Navy strength awkward in the glass. Because what you have are a bride and a groom suddenly got Navy strength awkward in class.
Starting point is 00:06:49 Because what you have are a bride and a groom who are displaying all of the outward signs of people trying to look like they're having fun. It like, you know, it's cool face. Like it's cool. It's cool. That's the face that they had during the money dance. And then it appeared as though they had gotten word back to the groomsman about like, hey, cool it with the money dance. And then it appeared as though they had gotten word back to the groomsman about like, hey, cool it with the money dance.
Starting point is 00:07:09 This is not something that they wanted. You would think a groomsman would have that info going in. And the bride and the groom, having been subjected to this surprise, I've never had more respect for a bride and groom that I did in that moment. Like squishing those feelings into a, oh come on man, you said you weren't going to, but deep down.
Starting point is 00:07:31 Yeah. The rage. The rage they felt at being surprised like that on the biggest stage. It is really hard to be graceful in a moment like that. It is. I felt so much empathy and respect for them. And like we've been to weddings before where the bad toast happens. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:51 This is like a five minute bad toast. Woof. It was exciting. Yeah. So I guess if there's any advice that we might have to those out there who are entering wedding season with weddings of their own. Open bars are great. If you're not drinking, then that's fine.
Starting point is 00:08:08 We don't need them. But if you're gonna have a bar, make it open. Make it open. If the bride and the groom do not desire a certain thing or type of celebration, it's their day. Make it their day. Give them what they want for once. And what else?
Starting point is 00:08:23 What's another quality of a fun wedding, a wedding that you like going to? The thing that is great about a wedding is celebrating love. I'm a real softy when people start coming down the aisle and we start getting into the ceremony of something. Can I tell you the most powerful move of the evening was done by this guy, by Adam two thumbs.
Starting point is 00:08:44 So another thing I didn't mention was the aficion had never done it before and you could see the nerves. This could be bad. So bride arrives at the doorway. Five seconds go by. Nothing happens. I get up. I started to get up. It was me. Wow. I started to get up. It was me. Wow. Wow. Belgrade.
Starting point is 00:09:07 Yeah, everybody's got to stand up for the bride. That's one of the rules. And that's one of the one of your favorite moments you were saying. Like that, that's the grand entrance. I mean, I'm usually not the first person to get up because I'm looking around and I can't see much because my eyes are already full of tears.
Starting point is 00:09:21 Yeah, yeah, limpid pools. But if I hear somebody's chair pushing back an inch or two as they stand up out of it, yeah, that's like pevlovian for me, I'm up. That sound is usually not great. That's a bad sound in every other context. Yeah. But bride at the threshold,
Starting point is 00:09:42 that's the only thing you wanna hear in that moment. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's the most beautiful sound of the world in that context. Yeah. I don't think any wedding in the history of weddings has happened without like one awkward five minute chunk in there.
Starting point is 00:10:02 Not at all. Yeah, I mean, they've all got them, which is why I think if you're in a wedding and you see that happening and you're in that moment, don't take it so seriously, like it's fine. And that's maybe the lesson that the bride and groom of the wedding that I was at has for all of us, like with the prism.
Starting point is 00:10:24 With the prow. Yeah. Bring as much grace as you can bring to bear onto those moments and get angry at your groomsman later. Save the anger. Adam, has it crossed your mind that the drink in your hand was getting more and more strong because you were doing something to it with your mind? I turned wine into stronger wine. Because that's a big theme in today's episode of Star Trek, Cole and Voyager.
Starting point is 00:10:51 Yeah, it really is. You want to get into season two episode 10, Cold Fire? Rebirth course. Unless you've got something a little bigger in your torpedo toots, I'm not turning around. I love close-up Magic, Ben. We get a lot of it this episode. This is an episode that begins with a recap of stuff that happened in season one, episode
Starting point is 00:11:15 one, and that was 10 months ago in the timeline of the show. I thought this was very interesting, a very unique and unusual recap for Star Trek to do. What stuck out to me was that usually in the last time on, it is an affected computer voice that we get. But, Major Barrett here in her read sounds less like a computer and more like a narrator. Ten months ago, the crew of Voyager was pulled into the Delta Quadrant by an entity known as the Caretaker. And I'm wondering, which do you think it was doing the ten months ago pre-roll read? Oh, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:11:56 I wonder if I ever thought it was the computer saying last time on. Well, really? Maybe I think it's Lil' Oxana doing those. Bill Tilly, I think when this episode comes out, I'd like a poll. Oh. And it's just two options, two answers, two possible answers. It's in last time on, is it computer voice, or is it Major Barrett, Roddenberry, doing the read?
Starting point is 00:12:22 Use the at greatest Trek Twitter account to vote in that poll. It's out as of this episode releasing. I feel like you're very convincing. It makes me question everything about Star Trek that I thought I knew. I question everything, Adam. I hope I'm as convincing to you about why I believe it's the computer. I just assume the computer. Hmm. Well, you know what happens when you assume. Yeah. So that was 10 months ago that Banjo Man died and turned into a geode and the Voyager got stranded in the
Starting point is 00:12:56 D-Quad because he wasn't alive to send them home. But he told them right at the very end that there was a lady banjo man out there somewhere and maybe she could help. She left hundreds of years ago, but she's out there somewhere. This opening scene makes me think that I wouldn't want to be neighbors or like have my quarters on the same deck as two vox. Don't pretty heavy on the incense here when he goes in on the meld with Kess. What they're practicing here isn't something we're seeing them do for the first time.
Starting point is 00:13:29 This is a thing that they have. He's teaching her to control her. What do you even call it? Are they sionic abilities? Yeah, and telepathic abilities. Telepathic abilities? Yeah. I don't think that the first thing to do with this is go listen to what's going on inside Nielix's brain. That sounds like a horny place to peak. I was creeped out by the encouragement
Starting point is 00:13:50 that Tuva had and the, you know, once he hears that Cass is hearing all the voices on the ship, he's like, all right, now find one. And get up in those brains. Don't touch the side burns. No surprise that the simplest minds are the easiest to hear because she locks right in on a Nelix mid haircut, which sounds like a pretty big job. Yeah, I wonder if we'll ever meet the mod of Starship Voyager. Is there one person on the ship that is just there to cut hair? Cause mod was just there to cut hair,
Starting point is 00:14:23 but Voyager is a crew with a lot fewer people. I would like to meet that person. Yeah, I would too. He wants her to engage in this from a very vulcan point of view, like no emotions, no laughing at the things you hear other people saying inside their own minds. I just feel like it's very generous of him to share his more refined sensibilities around these things with your, but also there's that like Vulcan exceptionalism of like we know how to do everything. And if you don't do it our way, you're doing it the wrong way. It also feels like the giggle is the absolute worst form of
Starting point is 00:15:07 a motion to show to Vach because it's so childlike. Like he's like, I just sat for an hour teaching you how to play monopoly and now you're like driving the car piece around. Going broom broom. like an idiot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the training session over and Cass shows up late to work in six Bay, where the EMH is pretty ticked off that she has been kind of focusing a lot more on her mental ability training than she has on her medical ability training. And that's just not going to wash with him. We understand from the last episode that Kess has the ability to go in to the docs program and and reprogram him with all manner of of maladies. I wonder if Kess could program him to stop caring about her tardiness. And how great that would be in the moment. Like, like, she goes to her station and he's like really tearing into her about being late to work and all of a sudden he just kind of twitches and is like, yeah, whenever you can
Starting point is 00:16:19 make it Kess, that would be fine by me. Like, I'm just really grateful that you hear it all. She pulls out her phone and there's a slider on the screen and it's chill vibes on one end of a hardass on the other and she like drags it from hardass toward chill vibes. Yeah, I would like to see that. I mean, we know she has that kind of control over him, a control that she does not choose to use in this moment
Starting point is 00:16:42 because they're interrupted by this high frequency sound. It sounds like a CRT monitor or 20 CRT monitors doing that little squeal that you need to like turn them off and on to get rid of. You like the sound. Can I hear the most annoying sound in the world? Sounds stimulating. I hated this noise. I was watching this episode with headphones and that headphones episode.
Starting point is 00:17:08 It just shattered my mullers with fucking noise. I hated it so much. I was shocked that the source of this noise was the the banjo man rock like that seems fairly expected, but that they keep the banjo man rock just in a storage locker in Six Bay. It's one of the only ships in the fleet that has a caretaker more right on board. I know. Is that a place for a dead body? It kind of seems like it could be. I mean, we didn't see how deep that thing goes, but it seemed like it was big enough to be like a slide a body in kind of a aperture anyways. Canonically, we know Starfleet stores their deads in torpedo tubes.
Starting point is 00:17:48 But what my theory of presupposes is the torpedo casing comes in the size of the corpse. Oh, so you think they have little torpedoes for caretakers? Well, that's what I would have assumed, but they didn't even give this caretaker rock a proper burial. It's just hanging out. It's pretty rugged that they've just been traveling around with it. It's like, was that Joss Whedon movie where the bad guys like, like, chain dead bodies to
Starting point is 00:18:17 the outside of their spaceships? That's serenity. Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Yeah. I mean, that's basically what they should have done, right? Like mounted like a hood ornament on the Voyager. Yeah, really, which is a more than us, but we showed him. Yeah. So this is a moment significant enough to go to theme song. And after they break, it turns out that they're they're getting life sign readings from this stone.
Starting point is 00:18:43 They were getting those readings and now nothing. And then they're back again. It's sort of that frustrating moving target of is this thing alive or is it getting a communication from something alive? That's the mystery. My luck would be like we would have our caretaker corpse making the noise and then I would like call somebody in to take a look at it and they would come, and they'd be like, sorry, we can't. It doesn't seem to be anything wrong with your caretaker rock. It doesn't make any noise as far as we can tell.
Starting point is 00:19:14 And I'd be like, fuck, I paid like 75 bucks for this guy to come out. I'm trying to tell you at like warp six, the caretaker rock starts vibrating. And look, I'm thinking if you just come out with me onto the freeway, I could probably replicate the situation. Sorry, we don't do that. It is frustrating, but as time goes on, they realize that sporocystian life is communicating with it. Ben, you know, it's sporocystian life is that'sian life is, that's, that's banjo man life.
Starting point is 00:19:45 That's banjo man life. That's five strings of life. Yeah, it's like a, it's some kind of like resonant frequency, it seems like. It's not that this rock is coming back alive, it's that it's reacting to something that they are close to. The thinking is what they may be close to is the banjo man's partner.
Starting point is 00:20:03 Yeah. And if that's true, the Banjo Man's partner is a real necrophile, because Banjo Man's dead. Yeah, what are you doing, Banjo Man's partner? You can't just dig up the Banjo Man rock and do whatever sick shit you wanna do with it. Yeah, this isn't McGroober, it's gross as hell. Oh, fucking shit.
Starting point is 00:20:24 The implications of this are immediately evidence to Tupac. He gives voice to the fact that this could be their ticket home. And so up to the bridge, he and Janeway go and down to engineering and Kim and BLT go with the rock. And they make something that I would like to call a corpse compass, which suspends this rock and some kind of field and then helps them figure out the directionality of the signal that is causing it to make the annoying noise. It's interesting how little anyone discusses the idea of the rock being the remains of a thing.
Starting point is 00:21:05 Like, this is very clearly turned from that into a device. And it's a device that they've set up right next to the warp core because that's Star Trek law. Like, we got to place this thing in proximity to our most sensitive place on the ship. I was ready for this to turn into a weekend at banjo man's comedy episode where they had to convince the female caretaker that it was alive and like, prop it up and put sunglasses on it. Like, oh yeah, he's just tired. Two Valktels, Janeway, look, I know in the last scene,
Starting point is 00:21:41 I was pretty hyped up, I'll admit it. For Vulcan, hyped is how I was feeling about the idea of finding I was pretty hyped up. I'll admit it, for Vulcan, hyped, is how I was feeling about the idea of finding the caretakers mate. But I gotta tell you, the real reason I was so excited is because I wanna chance to kill the caretakers wife. All I need is a little bit of time to figure out how best to do that.
Starting point is 00:22:01 We've got a great hood ornament here, and I just wanna add to that success by wasting the other one. I do not want our pants pulled down against a caretaker like they were in the pilot episode. No thanks. Yeah, so he's actually got an idea for a toxin, something that would debilitate the other sporocystian.
Starting point is 00:22:24 And so he gets permission from the captain to create this weapon. something that would debilitate the other sporocystian. And so he gets permission from the captain to create this weapon. And he's off the bridge. They get the coordinates for where they're heading. And they are off. Maximum warp. Yeah, that's pretty fast. We're in it, baby.
Starting point is 00:22:38 And what they find is a station. A space station that looks very much like the space station from the caretaker episode. Kim says it's a tenth of the size of that station, but that's just because he's measuring from the base. Yeah, you gotta do measure from the asshole and just pass the tip of the space station. Not only that, what's unique about this station is that they're picking up a bunch of a compa life signs over there.
Starting point is 00:23:02 A compa life signs, and he to like double check the math on this, but he confirms it and they're pretty excited by this information and they throw in my hail and Gary Graham, the lead actor from Robot Jocks. I can't read but I'm not dumb. Don't pull that shit on me. Gets on the FaceTime and starts licking shots in them and then tells them to fuck off.
Starting point is 00:23:29 Those shots barely miss Nelix's shuttle, which has departed as soon as he heard that there were literally hundreds of Okaapa over there on the other station. Yeah. You're right about Gary Graham. Ben, he looks so much like Hugo weaving to me. He really throws those agent Smith vibes
Starting point is 00:23:49 on this initial FaceTime specifically, but also in subsequent hangs with him. He really brings that kind of intensity. He sure does. So they get shot a bunch of times, and they're like, okay, let's get Kess up here and maybe she can hail them, and maybe they'll listen to her.
Starting point is 00:24:06 There's some real showmanship in this second FaceTime because Captain Janeway has Kess stand directly behind her, so she's not visible on screen when they first light it up. This is the first scene of close-up magic, right? I have someone here who wishes to speak with you. It's the reveal. Ha ha ha ha. We too have O'Compah. I have someone here who wishes to speak with you. It's the reveal. Hahaha. We too have O'Compah.
Starting point is 00:24:27 Hahaha. This guy is shocked. It's like the first trick you see at the magic castle. You're just like, what? And then the magic just keeps happening. Yeah, you can't turn off the magic at this point. Hahaha. Tannis has that vibe that's like, wow,
Starting point is 00:24:42 I was really wrong about you guys. Uh, really psyched to know you and Kess is like, well, uh, I would love to know you better. How about me and a couple of my buddies over here beam over to your station and he's like, no, I have not picked up at all. Was not expecting guests. That would be a bad idea. The budget for this episode is not exactly high enough to show the inside of the space they she.
Starting point is 00:25:13 Let me just outstretch my arms to either side of me and also like swing them above and below the frame. This is how much of this set we have built. This area here. So it would be really a lot better for me if I could come over there instead. It's like that commercial, like I feel like it's like a Lysol commercial
Starting point is 00:25:33 or something where the dad is on FaceTime with his kids and the mom is on a work trip and then it cuts to the wide shot and it shows that he has cleaned like a rectangle on the wall of the kitchen and the rest of the kitchen is just like covered in ragu. Did you ever have the friend that like was like you never saw their house or where they live? They always came over like like the hang was never at their place. Yeah. Yeah. I was that kid. Wow. I always went elsewhere.
Starting point is 00:26:06 Man. Did you ever have to do a FaceTime where you just cleaned up a part of the room? Had FaceTime been a thing at that moment in time, absolutely. Absolutely, I would. So, very exciting, a compo meeting, a compa, and what better way to celebrate an exciting moment like this than a McLaughlin group?
Starting point is 00:26:27 It seems like Kess may be spoiling for a companionship with her people, huh? Adam, we've been on the Voyager for a season and a half now to ship with Starfleets and Mayquise. Often in the same room with each other. Yeah. for a season and a half now to ship with Starfleets and Mayquise. Often in the same room with each other. Yeah. Now they're in the room with Mayquise. The actor that played Mayquise. Oh, episode. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:26:58 Mayquise. Is in the scene. That's incredible. I can't believe it. I didn't believe it when you told me. Turns out it's true. It's true. It's the truth. It's the triple truth. Wow. He's just there to be a bummer. Your ship is known as a ship of death. Yeah. I mean, talk about being typecast. And these are a compa that are there to give Janeway some
Starting point is 00:27:20 pretty bad news about the rap that the Voyager has made for itself in the D-Quad. Not exactly putting their best foot forward as far as like representing Starfleet to all of these alien cultures. It's especially bad feeling when you go around the quadrant feeling like everyone's happy to see you and then realize and retrospect none of that has been true. This is a nightmare of mine. The idea that people aren't being real with me and actually hate my guts. They actually list out all the reasons
Starting point is 00:27:52 that they're disliked in the quadrant like they killed the caretaker and they went to war with the K-Zone and they have Nielix around. Janeway takes great umbrage with this. She does not like that this reputation has preceded them. Yeah. We've been trying to get rid of Nielix for a season and a half.
Starting point is 00:28:15 We keep sending him on away missions and we haven't gotten lucky yet, but I believe we will. But Tannis doesn't want to hear it. And he starts mind-beaming messages into Cass's head, saying he just wants to talk to her privately. And... He wants to stand up in a broom closet.
Starting point is 00:28:32 Yeah. Yeah. Is it a locker or is it a broom closet? Did I get that wrong? I think it's just a closet, but I like broom closet. It's a little more specific, you know? Yeah. I do too.
Starting point is 00:28:42 I mean, that's the thing, like, you're gonna to get the rooms out of there for a straight. It's kind of a process. Men are always deferring emotional work to women and the awkward thing of like, hey, could everybody but me and him leave? It's something that he kind of foists onto Kess as her job for some reason. Captain, I'd like to speak to Tennis alone if I may. And so everyone clears out and she learns a little bit more about this dude. This is step one of cult leader behavior, right?
Starting point is 00:29:14 Separate the person from their friends and family. Get them alone. Yeah, and she's trying to like rep the void, like she's trying to clear up the misconceptions about the Voyager. She's like, no, like I know these guys, they're not the ship of deaths that you think they are. They are the ship of Nelix. I will give you that. I am the girlfriend of Nelix and I'm for some reason going to give you that as well. But she's really curious. She really wants to know more about like, I mean, she doesn't know that there were Ocampa this far out.
Starting point is 00:29:47 Like, she kind of thought they were all there on that planet, but she came from, she wants to see this space station and he's like, no, no, seriously, the budget is not going to allow for that. Space station is way too nice. This is a very data like storyline unfolding here. The idea that you can suspend your feelings of danger to do a thing if doing that thing means feeling less alone than the universe, right?
Starting point is 00:30:16 Kess thought that her time with Ocompens was over, and it's not, and so now she's ready for some risk taking behavior. Yeah and she's also ready to just kind of like be open with him like she wants to she wants to show him what her life is like here and she takes him down to the HydroPonix Bay, one of her big projects where they're growing the food that they used to feed the Voyager crew and He's very complimentary of it. I was very complimentary of this complex camera move here. This is a tricky move. You're right Yeah, I think it I think it starts with a single and then it widens out and then it pops up and over Some of these planter boxes and then back down again and catches the sequence as they're walking through them on the other side.
Starting point is 00:31:07 Like, it feels super complex, and I'm not quite sure exactly how they did it. It's got to be a craneshot of some kind, but yeah, it does a really great job of making the space feel really big and real, and not just like a green screen that they're standing in front of or something. Yeah. There's a couple of pretty amazing revelations in this scene. The first, this guy is an old compa. He's 14 years old.
Starting point is 00:31:32 Two-oh! Second is that he has the power to make plants grow with his mind. My vines have a crush on you. It's like, take a look at what I can do to this bush. Am I going to use this power for good or evil? Yeah, the vibe here is as wrong of a choice as it was for Kestel laugh at Tuvak in that earlier scene. Yeah, Tannis kind of laughs at Kest in this scene. And and at her perceived naivete, like he's very condescending to her
Starting point is 00:32:09 in a way that only amplifies his power. Yeah, I feel like there's a lot of aliens in Star Trek that speak to a human and say, we were once as you are now. It's very interesting to see a different kind of alien saying this to a different kind of alien. Right. He's friends with Banjo Lady. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:28 Susperia. She has a name. She has a name. She is a real different vibe from Banjo Man. He doesn't really care for how Banjo Man treated the Ocampa that stayed on the planet. Susperia really let them go sick with their abilities and that's why he's able to do all these brain tricks. Right, and in describing Susperia in this way, Tannis aligns himself with Susperia that makes him pretty powerful in this moment.
Starting point is 00:32:53 Like, we meet him as a more powerful version of Kess, but now that his alignment is with the end boss, you're made to feel fearful for Kess in this moment that his alignment is with the end boss, you're made to feel fearful for Kess in this moment, at least I was. And he's got that resting confidence face that is like seductive to, it's not just his psionic power,
Starting point is 00:33:16 it's everything about him. He's got like 80s movie villain leverage, like he knows he's invulnerable in this moment. You can get you to Spiria. You want your bush to grow? I can do that too. A greatest gen live show is something you don't want to miss. Why? Well, it's a great opportunity to see me and Ben in person, but that's not all. FODs from all over gather at these shows to cosplay, to do pre and post show hangs, to make friends, and share their embarrassment.
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Starting point is 00:34:58 And boy, what do I, these giraffes do not smell good. No, they do not, and they've such short nacks. But I'm here and we need to get on this. We gotta get on the art. It is about terrain, about a spout to destroy humanity. Hey, oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. Are you Noah?
Starting point is 00:35:12 Yeah, I know we look like humans, we're actually, we're podcasters. We are podcasters, so it's different. Have you heard of Ono Ross and Kerry? We investigate spirituality, claims of the paranormal, stuff like that. And you have a boat and say the world's gonna end, so seem like something for us to check out.
Starting point is 00:35:26 We would love to be on the boat. We came two by two. What do you think? Oh no Ross and Kerry, available on MaximumFun.org. I've got to get that luck would not be selling a heist. Afterwards, Janeway and Tuvac are really proud of Kess for making this connection. She's sort of given on the report on this guy, but Kess seems to be in description and
Starting point is 00:35:53 in feeling like she's in deeper water than she expected to find herself. Yeah, Janeway is like, hey, this is great and I'm really glad you're able to like make contact with this dude, but I also want you to be pretty careful because we don't know his deal. Yeah. And as this is being discussed, we cut back to the space station. This is the, I think the one scene we get
Starting point is 00:36:16 where it's set on the space station. And after he busted Kess's chops for how like cold After he busted Kess's chops for how like cold and sterile the Voyager appeared to be to him. Part of me weeps to see you in this place. He thinks the Okampa death protest too much because this fucking space station is 10 out of 10 cold and sterile and it's just a scene of him communing with Susperia about how they're going to divide the spoils of this encounter. He's going to get the girl Susperia is going to get the ship. It's a real like Vigo and Ghostbusters 2 moment, right? Because Vigo is like, you can do whatever you want with Sigourney Weaver, Weasley, Art Museum guy, like I'm after the baby. Like, Cass has been made to be just collateral damage
Starting point is 00:37:09 in Susperia's main plan. Did you read who did the voice of Susperia? No. Major Barrett. What? Yeah. Bring me the shit. Is that who's doing the opening credit thing?
Starting point is 00:37:24 Wow. All right, we'll put a third voting box on the shit. Is that who's doing the opening credit thing? Wow. All right. We'll put a third voting box on the poll. Because she's kind of doing a voice for Susperia. And I don't really think she's doing a voice in the last time on. No, no, but you know, history is written by the winners. And you got to believe like in the long game of Star Trek, maybe Susperia came out on tap and we're all watching this unfold from Susperia's point of view. Yeah, maybe so.
Starting point is 00:37:53 We get a real Star Trek 6 dinner scene with the O'Campa coming to dinner on Starship Voyager. I offer a toast, the undiscovered country. My favorite moment here is Nielix praising the meal that he obviously prepared. Oh, does anybody else think this is great? This soup, my word. Really nailed hapcan to this. Yeah, they explain that that banjo lady does not take the form of a banjo man or even a glob of goo the way banjo man sometimes would she exists as pure sporocystian energy and she only only kind of becomes corporeal in certain
Starting point is 00:38:47 circumstances, but Kess is definitely going to get to meet her if she stays with them. And this is kind of the conversational bomb that drops in the middle of the dinner table. If you're a viewer of Greatest Gen for any amount of time, you know what being a being a pure energy means. I'm starting to get to pure energy. We take it so hard. Means that a Susperia has got to be feeling some very pleasurable. Very pleasurable vibes. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:18 Susperia is constantly nutting. Yeah. Tannis offers to take the group to meet the spirit and also by the way, Cascans stay forever if you want. And the spit-take that Neelix has here is really, really something. The great work by Ethan Phillips. Yeah, really tremendous work. They finished this dinner and the next scene is down in engineering
Starting point is 00:39:42 where they still have the corpse compass rigged up. And I was like, really surprised in this moment because so much has happened in this episode by this point that I was like, oh fuck, the corpse compass. Yeah. Are they gonna like, remit the remains of the caretaker to Susperia? Like, that would be a nice thing to do.
Starting point is 00:40:04 It would be a nice thing to do. It would be a nice thing to do. Like, I kind of feel like that scene where they're like putting the cardboard box with human remains into the belly of the airplane. Yeah. As somebody heads home from a vacation where their partner died, like, this would be kind of an intense moment. And I was like, is that what we're writing toward is like, is like dealing with the grief of a being of pure energy? The idea of that really excited me.
Starting point is 00:40:30 This moment reignited my intrigue. Like this episode had me up to this point and then I was like, oh man, like I may have misread this episode entirely and it's like about something totally different than what I thought it was about. Pretty difficult eulogy to give though, right? Like how do you eulogy to give though, right? Like how do you eulogize an all-powerful being that you just met? Don't really know very well.
Starting point is 00:40:50 And that's also responsible for flinging you across the galaxy. It's tough. Wow. Banjo man, what is there to say about Banjo man? What isn't there to say about Banjo man? That hasn't already been said. I feel like my thoughts about banjo men could be described in one word Infinite It winds up being more like that scene in the American where George Clooney builds that amazing gun Is a do you think this is an amazing gun? I think this is a cartoonishly crazy looking syringe gun.
Starting point is 00:41:29 It looks like a giant syringe. It looks like how you impregnate cattle. It does. It does. Two Vox been kicked out of the coach role at Kess's mind development academy. And instead now Tannis is here to teach her how to use her mind fingers, how to use her mind fire. To me there wasn't enough of this conflict.
Starting point is 00:41:57 Like I like two Vox versus Tannis here and the sort of jealousy that we see from Tuvak. This cool substitute teacher has got his star pupil. Right. Yeah, and jealousy that's given voice to you back in that dinner, your mental powers are really advanced compared to mine, and what's that all about. And we start to see some of the ethos of this, and I think it's easy to compare this to the force. Don't think about creating a fire, just use it.
Starting point is 00:42:30 And yet I think it's like more specific than the force, like almost immediately. Because like herb howers are like, what if Jedi but waitress. Yeah, like what have you called the server over to your table and said I'm sorry this a You put this down a minute ago, and it's just it's not hot. It feels like it was like on the In the window for too long and she says try it again. Do you still think it's not hot? Tannis is like I'm dipping my nose into this coffee and it's like Do you still think it's not hot? Tannis is like, I'm dipping my nose into this coffee and it's like, you can just tell it's not hot. Why would you stick your nose in a shower and prove to you that it's called coffee?
Starting point is 00:43:12 This coffee is not acceptable and also a warrior would never let the table at his coffee shop, tilt. It kind of broke the spell here because Tannis is like, can I freshen that up for you? And she's like, what? And he's like, can I freshen that up for you? She's like, oh, I see. And then she starts freshening up her own coffee without using her hands.
Starting point is 00:43:38 Yeah. And you see at a molecular level what freshened up coffee looks like? Yeah. Oh, watching the molecules go crazy? Yeah, that's a pretty fun effect. Yeah, they did a good job with this Imagine a coffee cup that could keep coffee hot and a bathroom at a coffee shop that did not allow pooping I'm just trying to sell t-shirts at us. I know You're doing a great job. Just as good of a job almost as Nelix is in being supportive and not jealous.
Starting point is 00:44:14 He's proud of Kess in this moment for freshening up her own coffee. The jealousy she was really on the other foot because it's on Tuvac and not Nielix in this episode in a way that I found very interesting. I'll tell you why. Less work for Nielix if Kess can freshen up the coffee in the mess hall without having to walk around to all the tables. And Nielix is not constantly causing dangerous life-threatening fires with his fucking open flames everywhere.
Starting point is 00:44:45 Yeah, this is a big, big positive for the restaurant. Coffee-black, bake it yourself, and I know you're serious. It's an opportunity to grow. Bake it yourself. She wants Nielix to move in with her on the station. She's really given some serious thought to living permanently among these exocampa. I love how game Nelix is for this completely omitting the fact that he was not invited. This is like getting invited to a party second hand. I'm sure it's fine if you go. Why don't you just come here?
Starting point is 00:45:19 Are you talking to me? I'm not gonna be weird or fight. No, no it's fine. And then you get there and it's clearly like there are eight seats and you're the ninth person Oh, Nielix I didn't realize you were coming I'm gonna cut one of these fullets in half Yeah, pretty bad Pretty awkward
Starting point is 00:45:38 I'm pretty sure we have another table sitting somewhere Voyager arrives at the meeting place, which is behind the chainlink fence next to the parking lot of the high school and this part of the galaxy, and they're waiting. Yeah. It's going to be a long wait. They transmit the signal to let Susperia know that they're there, and Dennis is like, cool. Well, this could take up to 47 hours. I'll be in my quarters. How upset would you be if someone you had just met, just sits down at your computer and does a little bit of your job before leaving suddenly?
Starting point is 00:46:16 What Tannis does to Tuvac here is pull down his pants in front of everyone. And like- Things essentially walks up to Tuvac station and says, is that a big Kahuna burger? pull down his pants in front of everyone. And like- It essentially walks up to two-vox station and says, is that a big Kahuna burger? I hear they got some tasty burger. You know, I love a good burger.
Starting point is 00:46:33 My girlfriend is vegetarian, so I barely ever get to eat them, but I have heard that that is a good burger. Do you mind if I try that? Do you mind if I wash this down with a bit of your soda? You just know that Tannis has left fingerprints all over that panel infuriating Tuvak. Such a powerful move. Even more powerful move is the way Tannis is lording his skills over Tuvak from a distance
Starting point is 00:47:01 on the next scene because Kess excitedly shows Tufok her coffee boiling skills, and Tannis is not there. She's just saying like, hey, look what I can do. I mean, like you've been training me for months and I was like kind of hearing the things that was happening inside Nielix's head, but check this out. Tannis has shown me the next level.
Starting point is 00:47:21 Kess accidentally freshens up two fox face and brain in a very disgusting way. There's coffee in two of us. Okay, I have a question here. So there's a very like steward Gordon B. sci-fi horror special effect of two fox face looking like it's boiling off. But also there's the ECU of the molecules in the coffee going crazy and then they turn
Starting point is 00:47:47 green. Are we meant to believe that that's a cross-fade to two-vox green vulcan blood? I was not thinking about that at the time, but now it has to be it. That has to be what we're seeing. Why didn't something in like the corner of the room also just like light on fire? This moment was so gross. It's nasty, it's hell. I think I'm putting it on. It's terrible. Gross more.
Starting point is 00:48:13 Like I think this belongs on the mountain of grossest things I've seen in Star Trek. It was traumatizing. It's really nasty and guess is terrified. Yeah. She's like a horror film screen queen here great screen great screen Fortunately two locks face is is already repaired by the time we see it next the doc has some extra Ensign Kim dick skin Patches and basically rich in in stem cells
Starting point is 00:48:42 just patches and basically. Remarkably rich in stem cells. Uh-huh. Yeah. We just happen to have it on hand. Tuvac almost died totally gruesomely, and we're just meant to in the very next scene, recover from that almost instantly, almost as instantly as Tuvac has.
Starting point is 00:49:00 He's like ready to go back to work. Don't you think they should be like throwing Tannis in the brig until they can figure out what's going on? Okay. After this? Yeah. Yeah, I think that's smart.
Starting point is 00:49:18 It just seems nuts that they're just like, okay, well, anyways, let's just keep waiting. Tuvak is the dad that taught his daughter how to drive and she wrecked the car with him in it. He was thrown from the vehicle into a tree, a tree that tore his face off. He's just had reconstructive surgery and has been put back together by the doctor
Starting point is 00:49:42 and is ready to go out driving again with Kess. Yeah. He is so forgiving. Unbelievable. He's already scheduling their next driving lesson in the parking lot of the local rec center. It's a good thing he's so forgiving when awful things happen to him. Yeah. It's an amazing flex. But she gets a driving lesson from the bad boy of the bad boy of serious driving
Starting point is 00:50:08 lessons. She gets that one first down in the hydroponics bay and he teaches her how to like really let the fire go. And in this scene, she burns the hydroponics bay to the ground. I think they telegraph this moment when Tannis asks Kess about how to Vagas, but not in a way that shows any real concern. So how is your dad that was thrown free from the automobile? Yeah. A little flat with the affect there. It's a real mask off moment for Tannis, because he's basically saying like life and death of things
Starting point is 00:50:47 aside from Ocampa is not something that Kess should worry herself about. Like at the expense of all other things, no matter what, she should work on advancing the powers of her own mind. And he really comes off as an Ocampa supremacist. Yeah, really does. But it doesn't not look enjoyable to kiss. She has kind of a fiery orgasm at the end of this scene. Yeah, she puts a fire nut. Yeah. She's in not an ecstasy, but in exosia.
Starting point is 00:51:19 Yeah. I mean, this grooming is working. It's really working. But the hydroponics Bay is not working any longer, and she feels really bad about that. She killed all their food at them. Yeah. This should be a bigger disaster, right?
Starting point is 00:51:34 Come politely agree. But I think Neelix and Kacer are already looking at the next step of like moving off the ship, not really their problem anymore. Right. Maybe they have like a temporary replicator ration bump because of getting that special mineral that they needed to get in the last episode. Well, maybe so. Yeah. Like, don't worry.
Starting point is 00:51:56 We can afford to restock the hydroponic spade our next planet. So Susperia approaches and BLT is growing a bit concerned with what they're reading on the sensors. She should be more concerned about what's happening behind her back, where tentacles appear to have entered the ship. Yeah, up on the bridge, Ensen Kim says he's picking up some hen tie in the engineering section.
Starting point is 00:52:21 Yeah. And they radio down there, and they don't get any response. Uh-oh. Of course, it's locked in. Word. I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I He walks in and assumes that she's going to come with him and we cross cut to engineering a few times like between Kess and Tannis and engineering and things have gone bad in engineering, but you can't really see why right? Right like you hear the female caretaker that everybody is talking about and I like this
Starting point is 00:53:04 I like that they're they're hiding this from us at this moment. Yeah, it's like jaws. You don't get to see the shark till the end. Cass is starting to feel some extreme feelings right now. She can hear all these nearby O'Campa, but she's having a hard time hearing Susperia when she finally does. All she senses is Susperia's rage. And it is terrifying to her. And a pretty bad moment for Nielix to pop out with the snacks.
Starting point is 00:53:32 Can't it pays anyone? Are those Valerian cannabis? I'm from the trap. Where can it pays my ass? It's a backroom shop, Livin'. In engineering, Captain Janeway is explaining to Susperia the plot of the pilot episode of Star Trek Voyager, and she's talking to Susperia's form, which is this little blonde girl.
Starting point is 00:53:54 A creepy little blonde girl in a dress. It's like one of the things Star Trek Voyager does really well. Is that? Yeah, it's the imaginary friend has come to pay a visit to Starship Voyager. I was going to protect you, Flarerun. I like you. Now I don't care. It's not Banjo Lady, it's Banjo Girl. Yeah. She's pissed about the death of the caretaker. She blames it on Starship Voyager. In this way that is like, fuck, this is frustrating. I hate that this super advanced alien being that is supposed to be this
Starting point is 00:54:35 like, you know, like they're so scared of it going in. They're so worried that it's so much more advanced than they are, but they're also like, they're tantalized by the power because the power could potentially send them home. And that temptation overcomes their fear, and then they get and meet her and she's fucking stupid as hell. I was just gonna say that like, there's no way a being this powerful and ageless
Starting point is 00:55:03 could be this dumb, could have gotten the story wrong, this wrong. Like you represent yourself as a child and then you also have the mentality of a child, you're like using your mind to hurt Janeway because you feel revenge. What does it mean? It means a matter, it means re-winging.
Starting point is 00:55:23 Give me a break, Susperia. In an episode that made the choice to boil two Vax brains inside his skull, we tilt up and see the source of the rain of blood. It's coming down in the room, are the suspended bodies. Two Vax can be LT or up there. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:42 They're doing that thing, or nearly like a horror film law stipulates that blood coming out of your mouth means you're going to die. Yeah. So I was having some bad feelings about them here. This is cross-cutting back to Nielix's restaurant where Tannis is like really putting the hard sell to Cass about abandoning her ship. And Nielix starts to intervene and gets forced check
Starting point is 00:56:07 across the room. Great cable pole on the Nielik stunt double here. Nice work. Really great cable pole. He really flies. Yeah. It looks scary. And this all kind of feels like it was set up in that last scene that Martinez was saying like no life matters to us aside from seen that Martinez was saying like no life matters to us aside from caretaker and Okampa. And now Kess is like realizing that this guy is much more of a villain than she anticipated. Luckily she's able to freshen up Tannis. Yeah. And takes him down to the ground with the mind boil. She could boil him. Yeah, but he can't boil her. Somehow she is more potent than he is. And his being boiled seems to splash over onto Susperia. We catch her in engineering.
Starting point is 00:56:52 She's doubled over. He's got blood coming out of his eyes and mouth. Yeah, it's nasty shit. How'd a good look? Janeway stops floating. BLT and two-vac fall out of the sky as well. And Janeway has picked up the cow-com delivery system. stops floating. BLT and TuVoc fall out of the sky as well, and Janeway has picked up the cow-come delivery system
Starting point is 00:57:09 and fires it at Susperia, and they erect a force field and now she's stuck in the Shemota corner of Voyager. Incredible! How did you do that? And Janeway explains, we are not here to hurt anyone. Your man, who I will remind you, you abandoned hundreds of years ago
Starting point is 00:57:28 and have not checked in on. Yeah, you're no saint here either, Susperia. Did not die at our hands. He died of natural causes and he fucking sucked us into this stupid quadrant looking for DNA that he could use to reproduce. He's clearly been sick for a while. It would have been great if you were around for that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:45 Why didn't you go visit from time to time? What's the harm in sending a postcard every so often? I guess only you know that. All powerful being of pure energy. So after this explanation, Janeway lays down her cow in pregnation device and tells two of us to lower the force field. Yeah, and he does and the creepy little blonde girl is
Starting point is 00:58:12 Stunned to be shown mercy at a time like this. Yeah, she kind of turns into a purple millipede Crawls through the ceiling. It's gross as hell the morphehe effect on the little girl is really upsetting because they got her to open her mouth. Yeah. In the clip and then some of the tentacles come out of it. It's nasty. Nasty stuff. When Tannis comes to and gets beamed away and two Vox says, you know, they gone. We get an unscentred angle on the glass canister, and those cramines are gone too, Ben. The rocks disappeared. Damn, I didn't even notice that, but you're right.
Starting point is 00:58:53 How about that? They don't have the corpse compass anymore. How are they supposed to get around now? Are they gonna find their way? Can I need to find another corpse? Susperia is gone without having helped create a method by which Voyager could get home. Big disappointment. We could have Captain's log about how Janeway is rededicating herself to finding Susperia at all costs. Then we end with a button where we go back to mind lessons with two-vac and Kess.
Starting point is 00:59:28 She has lost her ability to boil shit with her head. That's too bad. Like you just end the mess hall. You're not gonna drink that lukewarm coffee. You could really use a warm-up. She's like, I guess I'll just use the microwave like you idiots. Fuck. I guess I'll just use the microwave like you idiots. Fuck, could really use some freshen up to this coffee. Hmm.
Starting point is 00:59:49 Hmm. He says something to her in the scene that he could really like paraphrase. My therapist has said to me, like she's like, I had these like horrible, violent thoughts and I like killed all those plants in the hydroponics band. He's like, yeah, everyone does. It's fine. Everyone kills plants.
Starting point is 01:00:08 Cass, get over it. Especially if they're gifts and you weren't expecting to get them. I kill. I kill. I kill. I kill that, which is my orchids all the time. Back to the mind meld and on into credits at him. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:26 Did you like this episode? Yes, in real life. You know, the U.S.S. God, you know, it's God, you know, it's God. You know, the U.S.S. God, you know, it's God. What a weird episode, Ben. What a weird, gross episode.
Starting point is 01:00:40 I was thrilled at the idea of meeting a banjo man adjacent being. Yeah. I was just as hopeful that maybe this person would offer some help, at least kick them down the road a little bit further. That was never on the table. And I thought it was so interesting that like when face to face Janeway only defends their reputation. She does not turn that into a moment to ask anything Yeah, but I think if you've got Susperia behind the force field
Starting point is 01:01:22 You got to mention the fire from home and the need to get back and maybe you could just snap your fingers and on and on like That was a missed opportunity for Janeway for sure. And I wonder to what extent she's, she's got to be regretting that. I kind of think it's a missed opportunity as an episode because that moment comes and goes without Janeway stating her greatest character need to the character with the most power to help her of any we've met so far. And also, I don't know,
Starting point is 01:01:47 like I think that in earlier Star Trek, Susperia would not have been dumb and vengeful. Susperia would have been wise in a way that is unfathomable or something like that. Like would have made a decision that maybe we don't understand or that doesn't help in the specific way we want, but would suggest something about
Starting point is 01:02:12 the limitations of human perception or something like that. And the fact that Susperia is as childish as she presents, I felt like was a really disappointing angle for the script to take. It defanged how much fear you could have in that moment, right? Because how much scarier is the idea of an antagonist
Starting point is 01:02:34 who has thought it through and is hyper intelligent and is methodically planning out how to deal with you versus a child in manner and in in visual acting child like if she knew more than the Voyager crew not less it would have felt like a much bigger and more momentous episode in a way that I think they were trying to set this up as feeling like like I don't think you do that pre-roll if you're not setting this up as being a big deal. And we're back to one at the end of this episode. It might might as well not have happened.
Starting point is 01:03:09 The one thing we get coming out of here that doesn't exactly square up with that, I believe, is that Cass is now a super being and potentially a Deus Ex Machina. Yeah, right. Going forward and I wonder to what extent that ends up being true. Yeah, but I feel like that's a seed that was planted a long time ago and they cultivate that a lot in this episode, but it could have been cultivated in a way that was less frustrating overall. I think she's going to be freshening up a lot of episodes going forward. Yeah.
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Starting point is 01:04:57 If not, I blame Ben. Damn! I don't make the schedule. The schedule is first come first serve. This is like a P1 message in a bottle Yeah, but this is August we're in we're in August for this message. We are so it works Yeah, so don't so don't blame me. I voted for Ben That's gonna be very divisive Ben
Starting point is 01:05:21 The call to action here is listen up Jartod and Jartod Wesley. About that. I hope I'm pronouncing that right. Jarted. Who jarted? Ben our second priority one message is from Kalamini question mark and it's to anybody! Message goes like this, quote, but why would I call him that when he's such a nice guy? Hashtag no regards. And look, I've been instructed to say this in my best space, Irish. I don't think I have that gear. I don't have that impression gear in me to you. But why would I call him that when he's such a nice guy But what would I call him that when he's such a nice guy? Oh? Because column that column column meany. Oh, yeah
Starting point is 01:06:18 But why would I hear that when he's such a nice guy? I feel like you have to hear that one to get it. Yeah. God, we tried. We really tried, Kalamini. Question, Mike. Thanks. Thanks for supporting the show. I think this is the first time we've had an actor from Star Trek send a P1.
Starting point is 01:06:37 That's pretty exciting. Very exciting. Very cool. You're not a meanie. You're a nice guy. Anyway, our last P1 is from past Aaron and it's the present Aaron. Goes like this. 2020 was wild. You finished your masters, moved 800 miles from everyone you knew, started a career, and fell in love.
Starting point is 01:07:01 You probably wouldn't have made it through this apocalyptic year without the greatest gen. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best.
Starting point is 01:07:12 You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best.
Starting point is 01:07:20 You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the best. You're the It was present Aaron. It was like, present Aaron went through it all. Yeah, listen to all episodes everywhere and then started and listened again. Yeah, that's a lot. Amazing.
Starting point is 01:07:29 It's a lot to take on. Maybe, present Aaron drove all 800 miles and that's what gave them the opportunity. Yeah. Congrats on the new career and the new love and the shiny new degree and the new town. Oh, this sounds awesome. Yeah, a new start.
Starting point is 01:07:47 And you know, 800 miles is not an unpassable distance. Your friends will come visit you and you'll visit them. Of course. Always happens. Yeah. Well, another thing that always happens is people going to maximumfund.org slash jembo tron and getting priority one messages for the show we really really appreciate it it helps
Starting point is 01:08:10 support the production of this program. Hey Adam. It's happened. Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? I think this is going to be an achievement in acting a lot like the Shimoda we gave to Robert Beltrin in the last episode. Tim Russ and the take when he gets freshened up. Big fun.
Starting point is 01:08:42 Big, big, big 10 out of 10 fun. And I think for an actor whose efforts are mostly confined to suppressing, you know, the big moment, the big act, had to feel so great to just explode for a 10 out of 10 here. Absolutely. I love that moment. It was the centerpiece of shocking moments for me in the app. I have to give him the respect of a Shimoda here.
Starting point is 01:09:10 Yeah, that ruled. My Shimoda is Susperia. I feel like she is the chaos agent and also just acting the dumbest. Yeah. Just not, like, Shimoda's not acting dumb. He's acting drunk. But like, I think that something must be going on with Susperia that she
Starting point is 01:09:28 views the the world through This ridiculously narrow all-ents. Yeah kind of a bad all-powerful being she sucks. Hey, here's it Here's a take most all-powerful being suck. Maybe all of them Not a fan of all powerful beings. Yeah. There's one all powerful being that we really love on this show and all of the rest of them can take a fucking hike. Yeah. Agreed. Greatest genus of monotheistic podcast and everyone knows it. We believe in Kevin alone. Yeah. We will even Kevin alone. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:04 Well, Adam. The next episode is season 2, episode 11, maneuvers. The theft of a transporter module by Kazan forces thrust Chicoete into an explosive confrontation with his traitorous former. That's where the description ends. Oh really? With his traitorous former. That's where the description ends. Oh really, with this Traderous former. Yeah. Well, I'm ready for the case on again.
Starting point is 01:10:34 Yeah, bring back the case on, but we've gotta come up with the way in which we will be watching the next episode. For that we turn to the Game of Buttholes, the will of the caretaker, that gach that bizslash game, our runabout is currently on square 9, right on the doorstep of a caretaker, which could rocket us to any part of the board, and not too distant beyond that is a cocoa no no square, which we could hit. Yeah, getting close to some stuff.
Starting point is 01:11:05 I've got the die in my hand, I'm gonna roll it. You're required to learn as you play, roll. Wish me luck, buddy. Good luck. Tula! Did I win? I rolled a two, narrowly jumping over the caretaker, but coming just short of that cocoa no-no.
Starting point is 01:11:26 You never wanna come between an old man and a teaky drink, and that's where the runabout is right now. Yeah, a real rock and a hard place situation for the runabout, but it's a regular old episode for the greatest generation next week. Yeah, no kidding. Wow, well, this episode, like every episode, was made possible by the friends of DeSoto who support the show by going to maximumfund.org slash join. That monthly support keeps this train going.
Starting point is 01:11:54 Yeah, it does. And keeps all of the projects we are working on going. If you like this and would like more Ben and Adam Star Trek content, why don't you give the greatest discovery a try? We are about to start reviewing episodes of Star Trek Lower Decks. That's right, it's coming back. It's coming back in a big way, and I think my guess is that we will just be like full-time, weekly episodes for the foreseeable future, right? Right, yeah, yeah, we're gonna be hitting it pretty hard on the greatest discovery.
Starting point is 01:12:28 I don't think this is a controversial statement to say. I think Lower Decks probably the most accessible of the new Star Trek shows to a greatest gen viewer. I think I would be shocked if you did not really enjoy that show if you liked greatest gen. Yeah, it's a really fun show. Very appealing to us, and it could be very appealing to you. And then you could hear us talk about it after it comes out. That's really the point, right? To get more of us.
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