The Greatest Generation - Cotton Candy Thundercloud (DS9 S1E16)

Episode Date: January 29, 2018

When Lwaxana Troi visits DS9, she’s not the only diplomat causing problems for the crew. But when Odo turns to putty in her hands, it becomes a moment of truth for the both of them. Are "social charisma" and "work charisma" different things? Does “picnic” mean grabbing something other than a basket? What is a Yamato Truther? It’s the episode NOT sponsored by a garbage can company!

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I'm Adam Pryanaka. Adam, we had a huge, huge runway of show out ahead of us, and we've burned through it all, and we are fresh back from our big San Francisco sketch fest show. That's right. If our show were an airplane about to take off, we're in that sandy part, when the runway runs out, and we're recording this fairly close to the release date for a change. So it gives us an opportunity to talk about timely matters like that sketch fest show that we just did last week. One of my favorite things about sketch fest was that you and I booked like a week long

trip to go see a bunch of shows and do our show and hang out and see friends and stuff. And when ever we would interact with other people who were at Sketchfest to perform, they'd say, oh, how long are you in town when we tell them? And then they'd look at us like we had two heads or they'd look at us like we had a Star Trek podcast and go, why are you staying for that long? And we'd say, because we wanted to see comedy shows and live podcasts and stuff.

It really made me think a lot about whether or not people who work in comedy, like what proportion of those people are also fans of comedy. And I just sort of assumed that, that like you consume comedy when you work in the comedy space, but to a person, Ben, you're right. Like everyone we talked to was almost a guest that we would stay a week. And I'm really glad we did. I really like going to live podcasts and I love going to stand-up shows and stuff. But I bet if we as podcasters had to do what stand-ups do which is go be at stand-up shows all the time and then you know get five minutes of the stage time to ourselves

we would be less excited about devoting a week to seeing other people's stuff. That analogy makes perfect sense. I mean it's going to the workplace to hang out. Right, right. Yeah, and I think a lot of, like, we're the rare podcasters, at least in the comedy podcasting, end of things that didn't come to this from a prior career in comedy of any kind. So, we don't have that, we're not, like, burnt out on it to begin with the way,

I think some people probably are. It's like if all of the venues at Sketchfest wore my basement, then I would totally understand the reticence towards going and hanging out the way we did. Yeah, I mean, it's funny. We get to be fans of it and joy it still. And I wonder, we've had a couple of conversations over the

couple of years we've been doing this about how we can walk into a room of comedy podcasts people, but we're not considered comedians because we don't have like a comedy career also outside of the show. You get challenged when you're in professional company. At a festival this way, you're often asked, what are you here for? What are you doing? What are you basically? I don't know whether I will ever come around to the idea of calling myself a comedian because I feel like that is a totally separate and different talent than what you

and I do. But to be considered part of the gang I think was a great feeling for sure. It was amazing. And we had such a fun show. We had not really enough time for our show, but because we had we had to do two hour and 15 minute podcasts in two hours, we had greatest generation and friendly fire, both on the same bill and we had like five minutes to turn it around. So it was a bit of a frantic show, but I think people enjoyed it. It seemed of a frantic show, but I think people enjoyed it. It seemed like a lot of people stayed around afterwards to say hi and take pictures and stuff. It was really fun. Somebody brought a ton of Star Trek training cards to give away. Show night is always a hectic time for me and us. I mean, from loading all the way to the end of the show, that light at the end of the tunnel, which is often the opening of the door

after the show to, you know, all of our friends is just a really great reward for all the work it takes to put it on. I think we had a great venue and I think it was so fun to look out and see it packed with our people. It was really cool. It was a beautiful room. It was like a old-time theater with a balcony and a orchestra. It still doesn't really seem real to me that that is happening for this show. Our parents were there for the first time at the same time. Yeah, yeah, that was your mom's first experience of the live thing, right?

And it was your wife's first experience since our first ever live show. Yeah, my wife was at the first ever show at the rendezvous in Seattle, which was, I think, around 50 people. And so the scale of this sketchfest show was a lot different. And the scale of the afterhang was a lot different. Like, you can try to explain to your mom and your wife what it's

like after a show to meet all these fun people. But until they see it, I wouldn't believe it either. So that was, it was neat to share that with him. Yeah, it was a great time. I really enjoyed doing it with you. We had our co-host from Friendly Fire John Roderick on both shows. So he sat in on the greatest Gen version. And we did it with him one other time at Max Funcon East. So I'm pretty sure that's the version of the premature assimilation tour that is gonna go in the donor feed

around Pledge Drive time in the spring. But it's a really fun and funny show. It's a... John is great at that. And like we are marveling afterwards. Like, we take notes and like try to think of things that will be interesting and funny to say, like ahead of time.

John does not. He is capable of like sitting there with us and punching just as hard, without having prepared basically at all. Yeah, it's a special performance magic that maybe one day after hundreds and hundreds of reps we will have, but it's a it's a singular thrill to share the stage with both of you. Two people who work in very different ways and yet like reach the same end in

in comedy like it was hilarious to be up there. Right back at you buddy. Speaking of thrills, Adam, do you wanna talk about the episode we came here to talk about today? I don't know what could be less thrilling than Deep Space Nine, Season One, Episode 16. The Forsken.

Ah. Ah. The Forsaken. Ah. Two. What? Do you realize how it kind of all this is? The Forsaken. It's an episode that starts with Cisco's Commanders log. He's basically saying like these boring Federation ambassadors are here to go look at our big hole and no one wants a whole examination, especially three people, four people really. And so he's, he's

talking about how he has dumped the responsibility for keeping these people, these ambassadors entertained on to Julian Bashir. It's a simple job. Just keep them happy and away from me. And we cut to Bashir in Quirks Bar and he is really struggling to do all of the nice cities of diplomacy. Even though these diplomats are federation people talking to a federation person, they're expecting him to just bend over backwards about everything.

Perhaps we should all just get some rest. So often the personality type, who is the ladies man that Bashir considers himself to be, like that skill is transferable to things like diplomacy and I was really surprised that he couldn't flip that switch over into another area. Yeah. It seems like a shared skill. Like when you're when you have a tone of charisma the way that he at least believes himself to have. Right. Like, he's just giving up before it even begins. The ambassadors are definitely not doing anything to ease his nerves.

Like, they're criticizing Cisco's decision to put a first-year officer on them. And they're all asking for different things that are kind of mutually exclusive and asking awkward things of him, you know. Are you actually suggesting we indulge in one of those disgusting, flingy sex programs? No.

This entire time where Bashir is sitting at this table trying to keep these people interested, you can just see the storm abruing over his right shoulder. There's a cotton candy thunder cloud over at the Davos table. In many ways, Waxana Troy is the person you want in a casino, right? She's casino fun. the person you want in a casino, right? She's casino fun. She's gonna blow on all the dice. She's gonna be the loudest cheerer at the craft table. She's an energy person.

That was... She's rich and she's also fancy in a trashy kind of way. She's Reno fun, you know? Yeah. Here, here, it locks on a shriek and she starts complaining that she has been robbed. Oh my Latinom hair, bro. And no sooner has she started to toss her authority around. They want everyone strip-sourced until you find my brooch.

And Odo comes in. May I be of service. And uses the investigative technique of looking around to find the thief. And I guess he like the deuces that because she can't read guilt on quirk, then there's like some other alien in there that also is like kind of like a aferengue. It made sense that since you couldn't read quirk, you might not be able to read this

charming fellow either. That guy's got pockets full of stolen merchandise and Odo takes that guy off and locks him up presumably, but a locks on it is positively sprung off a photo after this little event. Oh, perfectly brilliant off you. It's like she was tied to railroad tracks and Odo saved her before the train ran her over. It's that level of obsession, you know, the obsession that often someone has for the person who saves their life. What do you think about the Loaxonetroy of this episode, Adam?

Like, she seems like, she was always kind of a, like a colorful character in TNG. She seems like she's really been, like, put into cartoon mode, at least with her costume and hair style in this. Like, she would never have had pink hair in TNG, would she? Right. My feelings about her change throughout the episode

and up front, it's fair to say that I was resistant to her presence the way that Odo is. I mean, Odo is basically the viewer proxy in that he's trying to wiggle away from her. He's trying to put her off on other people, he's trying to change the channel. It's not happening. I'm just picturing you watching the TV stamping on the floor, like my dad stamping on the wheel

well when he was teaching me to drive, you know, trying to hit the brakes that aren't there. Yeah, driver's ed style. Loxana conveys the idea that like she may be in it for the unique bang. I've never been with the shapeshifter. Beam with? Odo being one of a kind is something that really appeals to her sexually. And that's a part of her personality that I'm not sure we've gotten very much of from TNG. Like we sort of gotten the whiff that she's DTF.

Right. And she's embraced her own sexuality and she's proud. And she's like a strong female character in all the right ways. That's been rewritten a couple of times, though, because like there's definitely at least one episode of TNG where she's trying to marry a guy just because he's rich and powerful, right?

Yeah, her reasons for romance never seem fully romantic. They always seem like they're couched in something else. The way her sexuality works is something that is very familiar from television. You know, the kind of over-sexed female character who goes and gets what she wants is something I've seen a lot on TV. And in my life, I've met women that are sexually awakened and go get what they want, but it's never this kind of like vavavum, like, you know, pushing themselves up against

a nervous man kind of thing. It seems like that's either a generational thing or a television trope or just something that I haven't encountered in my life. Who knows why? We haven't been throwing themselves at me like this. It's such unfamiliar territory, Ben. So I don't know if I know how to judge it, but it's so weird to imagine somebody like this,

right? This is pretty much the wheelhouse of when Sex in the city first went on the air, right? And if Luxana is anyone, she's gonna be Samantha. She's a total Samantha. In the way that I'm a total Charlotte. Yeah, you're a real Charlotte dog. I guess I'm a Miranda. You can't self-appoint as a carry, can you?

Yeah, I mean, that's tough. Ha-ha-ha. I feel like a Miranda The captain's I'm tired to ramble on about something everyone knows I guess what we could consider the B story is O'Brien going bad day That gif on the computer fusion power plant is operating within normal parameters. What are you talking about? He's basically picking up his keyboard

and smacking it into the monitor. It's a bloody inefficient system. To the degree that he attracts the attention of his coworkers in any other office environment, I think he'd be sent home. The boss even comes out and says, like, why don't you take it easy on that poor machine miles? Miles is like, do not send me home.

Anywhere but there. O'Brien has got a lot of thoughts about how a computer and a reactor should be set up and how things should go. And the Cardassians clearly designed and implemented the space station with a very different philosophy. So, you know, when the operating efficiency isn't within the parameters that O'Brien likes, it's really frustrating to him. He's advocating for a tear down and rebuild on the scale of a several-year project. Sisko's journey up to this point has been like, I'm going to take this command seriously

even though I didn't want to initially. it's become interesting and compelling and it plays into things that I didn't know that I wanted to do with my career. And somehow in the last couple of episodes, he has slipped back into like, God, I fucking really don't care about any of this shit. No, Brian, I'm not gonna authorize rebuilding the computer from the ground up. Like, who cares?

Yeah, it's interesting that like in the absence of Jake, he sort of becomes station dad to everyone else. A figure of whom everyone just sort of asks things. And it's up to him to either grant permission or deny it. And then he sort of walks off shrugging his shoulders. Yeah and there's no character for whom that is more frustrating than O'Brien because like every printed tray that he opens has no paper in it and it's just like it is like a comedy of computer errors. PC load letter.

The fuck does that mean? Is this the moment where the probe comes through the whole? Yeah, so like sort of simultaneously the Ambassadors Minus Laxana and Bashir come on the on the bridge and an object comes through the wormhole and it looks to me like a simple human Brand garbage can that you have in your kitchen? Yeah, the one that should cost $65, but cost $130 for some reason. It's a great garbage can.

It's the only garbage can you need. Yeah. I'm not going to say I didn't spend $130. I'm just saying, like, come on. It's fucking, it's a bunch of sheet metal and like a piece of plastic to make a foot pedal. This episode of The Greatest Generation is not brought to you by Simple Human Garbage Cans. Oh, can you imagine if they sponsored us and sent us free garbage cans?

I might covet that sponsorship more than the Casper one. It's a garbage can, you use it a third of your life. We still haven't made podcast bingo blackout because stamps.com never called. We're just looking at an incomplete bingo card. Yeah, well, I don't know what. I don't know, man, I don't know. I don't even know if I would approve that one.

We'd have to see. You think that's beneath us? I like going to the post office. It's a way for me to leave my home. Which lately is really good for me, I think, and my mental health. Yeah, no, I'm right there with you, man. Like all of the excuses are good. When the diplomats come up on the station,

there's a great take on Cisco, where he does the like biting the inside of his cheeks when he first sees what's going on and then like gets a big grin on his face and turns around and is like, welcome! That's feeling where you thought someone you invited to a party out of courtesy that you'd never in a million years thought would actually show up has shown up. Somebody you thought was expendable? Doesn't really matter. Yeah, they are just as annoying up here on the command level as they were down in the bar.

So this guy has a lot more tools in his tool belt for using on them. And he says like there's going to be a complete briefing for the diplomatic delegation. Why don't you guys all go down to the promenade and watch it from there. That's like the best the best seats in the house for this anyways and we are gonna deal with it up here. So what we've got constructed here is an A, B, and C story. Wait about equally, I would say, for now. Sure. So they start scanning this garbage can. They wave their hands over the sensor.

Yeah, this is the updated version of the original simple human garbage can. They're like Chrome one that, like, you don't really see them anymore because they didn't have the smudge-free coding on them. And they've just not aged well. Yeah, that's a bad look. Yeah, but they start scanning it and downloading files. And it's a weird thing. I think at some point somebody says it's got enough computing power to be the core of a galaxy class starship, but

it doesn't have sensors or like any processes as far as they can tell. I was shocked that they connected their computers to this alien probe after just meeting it. When every instance in Federation history, when this has happened, has resulted in at least the destruction of a ship and occasionally many. Like, remember that episode contagion? There was an entire TNG episode about this. And they destroyed a galaxy-class ship in the process. Be honest, Adam, there are like two dozen TNG episodes about this. There's also Star Trek 1 and Star Trek 4 are about this. There's also Star Trek 1 and Star Trek 4 are about this. Right. A little bit of a

retread. And look, you can retread a story, I think, as many times as you would like, as long as those permutation show some sort of lessons learned from the previous time, if one person had expressed any kind of doubt before the link up. Like, remember the Yamato. Yeah, he points to the bumper sticker that he's taped up in his workstation. Yeah, there are real Yamato truthers on the station, I'm sure. Oh yeah, YamatoTruth.org is,

it makes for really compelling reading, but it's a little bit light on the fact checking in my experience. Lou Slatnam is a great documentary movie about that conspiracy, too. And O'Brien doesn't go so far as to take the little dip switch on the floppy disk and click it over to file safe mode. You know, computer viruses can't melt Duranium, Adam. Yeah, so fucking O'Brien just goes ahead and plugs his USB drive into it.

Right, yeah, and they download the files and they're gonna start looking at it. And that seems to be just the procedure that is taking place today. Meanwhile, down in Odo's constabulary office, LT shows up and she's like gone to a slightly more realistic color of wig and a much more lingerie evoking style of shirt. And she really like puts the moves on Odo. She's like, Odo, it rolls off the town. I was surprised that they never address whether or not she can read his thoughts.

Her decadent eyes, he's a walker! She could cause many car accidents. You never know if a head of state will be able to maintain his focus around her. How can she be a diplomat? So his breasts are like the shaved heads of Winston Churchill. Ben, a picnic always means fuck, right? Oh, is she invites him on a picnic? Yeah. Yeah. She's like, look, I've been up to those sex booths and they can be reprogrammed to a picnic scene. The last time she went on a picnic, it did not go well for her.

Now that's what I call PTSD. Okay. Picnic traumatic stress disorder. Exactly. PICNIC TROMATIC STREETS IS ORDER? Exactly. Guys, my new comedy album is about to drop. It's a tight 90 seconds. This is why nobody takes us seriously as comedians at the sketch test at him.

If only I could walk around with the crickets drop, just always playing whenever I say anything. That would be appropriate. Ben, do you think the Hollisweets operate the way arcade games used to where like the really good games are 50 cents and regular games are a quarter? Like, and the analog to that is like,

all the sex stuff is a lot of Latinum and then like, pic-like scene is like all the sex stuff is a lot of latinum and then like pic like scene is It's like a corner of a bar of latinum If Quirk didn't own them I'm sure we would have established this by showing a scene of him dropping a bar of latinum into the slot with a string attached to one end and pulling it back out Man, I could never get that move to work. I think we were born too late I think that early vending machines were vulnerable to that exploit, but they figured something out.

You remember how exciting it was to put a fiverr into a quarter changer at an arcade and get like the heavy handful of quarters? Yeah. That was a good feeling. Good times. It's the only thing that's ever felt sizable in my hands. Oh no, manages to slip away from her grasp. We get him walking up to Ops. And the entire senior staff has been put on scanned the probe duty. It seems like for a thing that doesn't have any known purpose and doesn't, you know,

doesn't seem to be that interesting. They've devoted a lot of resources to it, but before we can get to that, Odo goes into Commander Sisco's office and is like, hey, dude. So one of those diplomats is not leaving me alone and is actually like gotten pretty grabby W slash or slash T the groin area. I'd like to explain to you a concept called Running Interferent.

Ha ha ha ha. Did you take that implication away from when she walked up on him in his office. It really looked to me like she was going for dick. Do you believe that the junk grab was more than implied? I think they explicitly implied a junk grab. I mean, it's framed so you can't see, but her arm is working in the way of like some over-the-pants penis touching. What do you think your resting state dick size is if you're Odo? Because you got to put a bunch of thought into it, right? Well, even more interesting than that, does he even have a dick

when he is presenting as having clothes on? Does he bother with like making the shape under the pants when his whole body is just like a representation of a humanoid. If that's true, then there were days when he did fly some wing and it didn't go right socially. Right. Like he chose too much.

Or too little. Yeah. Like. That's the last time I'll hang dong at a party. Like the day that he flies the pool noodle walking around the promenade. Not a great day. That's probably the last day he does. Yeah. And then like as soon as someone opens his zipper, it's just like can of snakes. XD Cisco begins by laughing at Odo. And it's like, oh this is hilarious, your discomfort is making me very happy.

Have you thought of letting her catch you? Sir. And Odo continues on with how awful this is for him and Cisco sort of pivots into, look, I'm not gonna do you any favors here because I think this is a learning experience for you. I can't help you, Odo. Yeah, it's kind of not super far from the advice Picard would have at a time like this, you know?

Like, this is a learning moment, and now your job is to learn as much as you can from it. So back to the B story, O'Brien's now getting negged by the computer voice. Hehehehe. And O'Brien looks like he's going crazy about this. The computer's whole personality has changed. She's talking to me in a whole new way and she misses me when I'm gone.

Like I leave work and then something calls me back to work. Computer wise. You gotta believe me, right? Everyone's sort of like rolling in their office chairs, a little further away from him. Yeah, I think that's like a pretty quick scene because it is like, it is like basically from then on the station just starts to completely fall apart. Like, Oro like tries to escape from Laxana

by getting on an elevator and she invites herself on and the elevator like stops in the tube. And that's like the first like bad malfunction that they've had, but it's the first of many. And it becomes clear that the computer is kind of doing this at chief O'Brien. There's an interesting shot here. You see Odo and Waxana get on the cargo elevator, shot up front, and then they break the line and shoot from reverse. And you get to see just how cargo elevator like this whole ride system is, because you get to see the structure of the station go by. Wizzing by, yeah, and there's no,

there's not even like, yeah, there's no gate or door or anything to protect them. If you like, if you like bent over to pick up a pen that you dropped, you could hit your head and just brain yourself based on how fast they're going. I've got to believe, ROM isn't allowed to write these.

He's too much of an idiot. Based on how fast they're going. I've got to believe Ram isn't allowed to write these He's too much of an idiot You take the stairs Ram In case of fire or being Ram take stairs Ram sophisticated enough to stage an assassination Two dumb for elevators. So Brian is like, listen, Cisco, I could fix this elevator if we were on the entrepreneur, but we are on the Cardassian built space station, deep space line, and like rerouting the EPS condo and it's easier said than done. Well, this computer, it's easier said than done.

With this computer, it's always been like a wrestling match. And Cisco's like, well, get started on it if that's what the fix is. And we'll see how long it takes. Like, it seems like we've never done this before. And so they just tell Odo and Laoxana to hang out. Like, they've attempted to use the transporter and the transporter's not working.

Great. Everything's in working orderporter's not working. Great. Everything's in working order except nothing's working. This entire episode has been leading up to the idea of getting Loaxana and Odo locked in a dark space together and becoming vulnerable to each other. You've got to believe that that is in the story cloud version of this episode.

That's the dead center circle. It's what would happen if we locked Odo and Loxana in a literal elevator together? It's a great thing to get to. I don't love the way they got to it, but I mean, it's a, like Odo is so emotionally closed off as a character. He's, he's all about business and, you know, is constantly admonishing people that humanoids

spend way too much time trying to fluck each other and get into relationships and, you know, wasting time, entertaining themselves and stuff. And, and then you've got Loaxana, who is like, is like, like, basically the opposite end of the spectrum. Like all she cares about is relationships and, and bone-in-down and connecting with people on an emotional level. Like, even her most annoying episodes are kind of about her forming emotional bonds with people. There's a little bit too much shared between Picard and Odo for this to feel like a totally unique circumstance though. The difference here is that it actually gets to a conclusion where I don't know if Laxana and Picard ever reach a satisfying conclusion of either them hating each other forever or them having

the bond that Odo and Loxana do by the end of this episode. It's a shame because if it hadn't reached a conclusion, then they could have had an episode where they have a Picard cameo and he comes on onboard the station and he and Odo go do some drinking and commiserate. Out of the box, Anna, would have been a real fun. Wow. A lot of fun, see. That's a great note session for sure. Yeah.

Like if I had been in the writers room, I don't know if I could have talked them out of wrapping this episode up the way they do, but I thought I bet I could have tempted them with that little idea. The thing about any locked in an elevator story is you need two components, right? You can't just lock people in an elevator.

You also need a clock. And the clock that's put in a motion here is the idea that Odo needs to get back in the bucket. Bad things will happen if he does not get into the bucket. Yeah, and he is not willing to be that vulnerable, not just with a stranger, but with a stranger he's kind of a feared of and annoyed by at the beginning of this episode. Well, let's talk a little bit about how they introduce that because

when the idea is first breached, it seems dangerous. It does not seem like a point of embarrassment. It's that, oh shit, what happens if Odo doesn't get back to the bucket. Initially, I thought he would turn into liquid and then he would leak out of the elevator and get electrocuted. The danger was life threatening. Did you surmise that it was purely about his shame? For Joe?

I mean, I don't know. This is an episode that I remembered pretty well. So I don't, I think I knew that it was leading to that. All right. But yeah, I couldn't tell you like how I felt about it the first time. I mean, it is, I mean, shame might not be the right way to put it. Like, not everything we want to do in private is something we're ashamed of.

It's just that we have kind of some feelings about, you know, where our personal boundaries are. And he has very strong feelings about this. And it's not something he's ever shared with anybody willingly. He's afraid to show Luxana his whole asshole. And if he goes liquid, like that's what he's doing. Yeah. No one has ever seen me like this before. She really draws him out. Like he's, he is initially like angling his body away from her and like just trying to kind of maintain a professional distance of like we'll be out of here shortly like the crew is working on it and and everything about the way he is around her is closed off.

Yeah like his posture and what his shoulders do. Yeah. And his change is gradual. Like he begins, he begins fairly sweaty. And then he turns into a guy who really needs some neutrogena oil cleaning face wipes. And then he gets really red. Yeah. Can you imagine if you got that wet every time you got tired? Who says I don't?

Ha ha ha ha. He doesn't want to talk to her. And the way she draws them out is by kind of talking at him. Like she tells them stories. She tells them a story from a TNG episode. She's like, I get stuck in elevators all the time. He cannot help but have things to relate to her, because it's just a maelstrom of anecdotes. And eventually, there's one that

that he responds to and like she takes off the wig at one point and shows it to him to show that like hey we can be embarrassed in front of each other. I know I made that comment about your hair earlier but you can just have mine if that helps you. Look at this, under this wig, we have the same hair. For a character that we have lampooned for so many episodes, like she actually has a real expression of platonic love for Odo

and her attempt to come to an understanding for what he's going through. One of the problems I had though is like, if Odo is truly formless, like as a resting state, then it was hard for me to take his vanity about his physical expression seriously, but it's how broken the actor is in his portrayal of this that really makes the moment shine for me.

Like there's so much truth between them happening, and it's all character-based. They're not saying a ton off of the page. It's their expression and their nuance here that I was really shocked by, at the gravity of emotion here. Yeah. Gold to cotton, the cup. Go to cut. Go to cut to a cut. So. All of this is happening because Chief O'Brien clicked

on a fishing email and got his Gmail hacked. And they come up with kind of a metaphor for it to instruct their thinking about what is going on with the computer. I had a pop once. If I had to lock him up, he'd scratch forever the door trying to get out. And it is that the equivalent of a computer program that is like a puppy. It wants attention and it wants to play.

It's got a childlike interest in hanging out, but they just need to get it out of the computer. So they're trying to load it onto honey sticks at one point, and it's kind of the like harassing Siri technique, where they just keep asking like tricky questions of the computer and let it, let's it turn on those questions while they, while they attempt to like load chunks of this program onto the honey sticks and pull them out. And so real daisy from 2001 moment here. Yeah. Yeah. And it doesn't go super well. Like the, the, the puppy kind of outsmarts them. And the stakes get raised, uh, even further than Lula Xana and Odo being stuck in the elevator by Bashir who takes the diplomats and they walk through kind of a bad part of town where they're like walking down some hallway

and just like a door that they are walking toward explodes in a huge ball of fire. So what's a matter with you? And I guess the station has some sort of like automatic lock down where all the doors come down and it sort of looks like they're just gonna be burned alive in there. It's really intense. You don't wanna take a walk down Fireball Alley. But you're having that bad of a time with these people

that he's willing to do it. And the whole idea of the station clamping down in a fire really made me think of like what happens when you have a fire on a submarine and how dangerous that is. Fire in space has got to be the most terrifying thing. You got to close off those bulkheads at them. Now when you're renovating a space station, you're going to want to have an inspector come in and do a check for his bestos. If you don't mitigate any of his bestos, you could run the risk of your entire work crew

contracting mesothelioma. 24th century regulations stipulate that a working fire suppression system should be checked every six months. That way, your diplomatic mission will be in danger of being burned to a crisp. So Bashir and the diplomats were my surf rock band in college, but these guys are getting burned. Why wasn't that band popular?

I don't know. They're getting burned to a crisp down there. And so the stakes are that much higher. And O'Brien realizes that if they're puppy metaphor holds, then they've been going around about getting it out of the computer in exactly the wrong way. Do you think Odo could put out a fire if he turned himself into liquid and then threw himself on it? could put out a fire if he turned himself into liquid and then like threw himself on it. Could Odo like throw half of himself at something and be fine?

Would he grow the rest back? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like if Odo were able to split up, that would be great. There'd be eight little Odo's doing security around the ship. So many questions about Odo. Me too. What do they do? They like, I think O'Brien says he's got to build a doghouse. I'm not sure I know what you're getting at. They really just get totally carried away with this metaphor. God, no kidding. And like O'Brien goes on and on about the time he had a puppy and all of the behaviors of the puppy. As someone with a new dog, it's all I wanna talk about.

So I understand that, but still, it'd be a professional, O'Brien. I was just yelling at the TV, this is a metaphor. You don't even know if it's the right metaphor. Like, it's an alien computer program. Why are you so fixated on it being a puppy, O'Brien? So, he creates a partition full of meat scraps that attracts the program. It's a hot dogs hitting girls face that gif, the partition.

Sure is. But what ends up happening is they end up more yardying the program. Like they close the door behind it and this poor puppy is stuck in this computer partition. Sis goes like, what are you going to do with it now? And O'Brien's like, I swear, I'm going to take care of it like a tomagotchi pet. I'm gonna feed it and stroke it and love it. I love it, I love my little naughty pet, you're naughty. You've seen what a great father I am. There's no way this is gonna come back to bite us.

Yeah, I wonder, I wonder whatever goes down with this program. Oh, I killed it! Back in the cargo elevator, Odo has turned himself liquid and has hopped into Loxana's dress, which she has sort of opened up in a bowl. Yeah, it's like an idyllic painting of a girl going apple-picking, except for it's an older woman in a wig with a goo-man. That fabric is not a natural textile, like she's wearing a tarp, right?

She has all of her dresses sprayed with Scotch guard just in case. You know, she's down for a lot of sexual hijinks, so you never know what's gonna spray on you. Gross. 10 minutes have gone by and I've totally forgotten about this year. What happened with them? So they get the the PUP program shunted into the computer and everything is like coming back to normal and I think Cisco and Kira have both been trying to cut into the section of the station

that Bashir is stuck in with the diplomats with phasers and it is just like hardened armor. It is closing the section off. It's like a thankful door. Yeah, so they haven't been able to do it. They finally get it open. They run in there with like space level with space fire extinguishers,

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Yeah. Bashir and his charges have taken a newt from aliens approach to avoiding the fire and they crawl out of a crawl space down near the floor and the ambassadors are all very complimentary of bishiers strategy for keeping them alive and give him high marks with Cisco. And then we get a little button on the episode. Yeah, Laxana runs into Odo on the promenade and they share that moment that people have after they experience a traumatic event together. It's kind of the morning after at the water cooler,

at the office. Yeah. Two people who have shared a little bit more than they expected to after happy hour drinks. Waxon is a little less grabby than this exact moment, but she still puts it out there that next time she may be down. And this is an idea that isn't totally crazy to Odo in this moment, I don't think, especially because as she turns and walks away, Odo totally gays his upon that ass.

Did you follow his eye line here? because as she turns and walks away, Odo totally gazes upon that ass. Did you follow his eye line here? It didn't, did he turn the camera and say, it's a shame to have to sit on something that pretty. You're Odo sounds a lot like the Batman. Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe If there's one thing I hate, it's the idea of having to take off the bat suit to fuck. Most women find it strange that Alfred is in the bedroom with me. But I need him to get me out of this thing. I've asked Lucius Fox down at the office to develop a spring-loaded cod piece that can

be ejected at will, but it's gonna take the boys in R&D a little extra time. Hard to cover that one up is a military piece of military research. Not only does Alfred get me out, he puts me in. How do you think I perform oral? With the stick on my face. I truly am a good friend of Alfred's Batman. Friend of Alfred means is code for the type of sex when you have someone else put you in. We're a very small group.

You merely adopted, showing on pussy, Batman. I was born doing it! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha pretty thin bullshit ideas about how to get them into the elevator, but once they were in, those two performances were really good and kind of made it all worth it, in a way. How about yourself? You're totally right. The buildup is awful. This had all the makings of an awful episode from jump. But this is like if

problem child had the ending of Rudy. Like by the end I was totally affected by the story in a strong way, a way that I did not expect at all. I was I was ready to bail, but I'm glad I stuck around for this app because like this doesn't fix the the problem of Laxana, but she has a great moment here and It's I would argue it's a stronger moment than the one she had in TNG when she talks about her dead daughter Right grief is a thing that humanizes everyone in You know no matter what're different expression of grief,

I think it's a unifying feeling for everyone who experiences it. Like, Waxana chooses to be a good person in this elevator in a way that makes her more of a redeeming character to me in this case than she did when she was grieving on the holodeck. Like this feels more real to me and powerful. Like she doesn't have to do this in the way she has to come to terms with her dead daughter.

And that really worked for me. I think it's just that she's never had an opportunity. I guess in the Mr. Timon's episode, she's kind of more selfless. A lot of her episodes have been about her doing something on her own behalf that's all about her and kind of breezing past the impact that is having on other people and not really caring about it.

And a couple of times now she's had an episode where she gets an opportunity, like, and without breaking character, an opportunity to do a good thing for somebody. And it shows that she is a caring person. It's just that she's got kind of a persona that is, a persona in a sense of self that is like so big that it fills up most room she's in. But if she is connecting with a person, she really does care for them and want what's best for them. And she's not the asshole she could appear to be at first glance. That's the essential contradiction about her characters. Like like why is an empath so self-centered? Right. Like if her nature is about the

feelings of others. Well I've got a feeling we have some priority one message has been. You want to check those? I love checking priority one messages. Everybody knows that. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Need a supplement only. A supplement? A supplement. A supplement. Yeah, it's extra. But the interest alone could be enough to buy this ship.

Adam, a couple of priority one messages here. The first one is of a personal nature, and it is from me, and it is to Q. And it goes like this. What is this? Where am I? This is not the Sesame Street. That's it. That's it. Value for your P1 dollar right there.

Yeah. I am baffled at him. I really wish I knew what was going on ever. Maybe this time more than ever. Almost entirely unintelligible. It's unintelligible. I can only hope that there's some social network code going on. You know, like there's a... Did you know that there's now a greatest generation Slack group that hangs out? Oh, I have heard that. I don't have Slack though.

Oh, it's just a website. Oh, it's not an app. I thought it was an app. You can do it as an app, but you can also just do it through your browser But yeah, you know, I feel like when when we find out that something like that exists, you know We know about the Reddit and the Facebook and to the lesser extent the friends of DeSoto chat group Now the slag yeah like that There are so many places that people are getting together to talk about this. That this must be meaningful to somebody.

No, but it would be like an 80 hour a week job if we were doing a proper survey of all of those places and modes of communication. I sure am grateful we have moderators. Who have self-appointed? Yeah, we are super lucky. Ben, our second priority one message is from Anson Scottie. It is for Dave Toolman Tool and the message goes like this. Congratulations on your recent engagement.

I'm so happy you finally found the Roshan to your Kevin. Or is it the Keko to your O'Brien? Oh no! Who's to many years of sipping good tea at your nice house? Can't wait to see you at President's Day Rock weekend! Live long and do it like you brew it. What's this? Extra characters? Well okay then.

Fuck Plavim! Hahaha! Twist ending. This P1 message directed by Emnight Shyamalan. Both of those marriages are awful, right? Whether it's Kevin Rashan or Keko and O'Brien. I don't think you want to wish that either of those onto your good friends, right?

In one, you are either a rule doll or someone who lives forever. And in the other, you're in a loveless marriage. Yeah. You think Kiko and Chufo, Brian, have a lot of seasons of TV to put together like a more healthy relationship. Do you think they'll ever do it at them? How many seasons are there to find out? Like another another hundred episodes at least? Oh, there's like a hundred and fifty episodes at least.

I think it says a lot about how I feel about Keko and O'Brien and that like I don't know if I care Ben. Oh, Adam. I love the show. I just don't I can't ride for that relationship at this point. Yeah, it's too far gone. No. Well if our show isn't too far gone enough for you to consider a priority one message, You can go to MaximumFundOut or XlashJemboTron where personal messages are $100 and commercial messages are $200. And as Ben always says, they're a great way to keep the lights on at this here production. Hey Adam! What's that, Ben? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda?

Drunk Shimoda! I think O'Brien is crazy in this episode. And he should have been relieved of duty fairly early on. He is not talking much since. He's talking in abstraction and metaphor, that he just sort of expects Bajorans to understand. Like, he's got a Bajoran tech working with him, and he's talking about puppies,

like she would even know what he's talking about. How she's supposed to get her work done while he's talking about things that she's never experienced. That would have been... That would have been... That would have been a fun take if they'd just shown her looking at him with total confusion. Yeah.

O'Brien, how about you? I am going to give it to Loaxana, and it is for the Dic Grab, the off camera over the Pan's Dic Grab that she does, because it is hard to read that scene as anything less. If you wanna look at it, I think it's like 13 minutes and 30 seconds or 45 seconds into the episode. Like she is definitely reaching around below the belt when she goes and pushes herself up against him. She doesn't really know him.

She's met him one other time in a probe. If you are a major bearer and you are, you are a Star Trek nobility. You could, you have a license to kill on any Star Trek set. Yeah. You have a license to grab some junk, I think. They are not gonna throw you off the set. No. I think that gives a not going to throw you off the set. No.

I think that gives a little more credence to the idea that she actually grabs some hog. Yeah. If anybody ever goes on like one of those cruises or goes to a convention where they get Renee O'Bershonwa up on stage and answering questions. What pronunciation is a thought plan? Lenné Abégeu-Wa.

Yeah, ask him. I would be a fun. I would love to know. That's what you want to do is corner him on the Star Trek cruise. Nearer railing. Yeah. Yeah, and then he'll hear a phone ring and go, what is that, the communicator? Gotta go!

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Dramatic Persona, I, Odo is caught in the middle in an alien influence, Pizz Kira, against Cisco, in a deadly power struggle. Adam, shall we find out if we are going to be drunk for this episode? Let's do it. Okay. The reviews are in from our last shit show episode. Yeah. Hi,

Marks for us. Yeah. Us being us being on the verge of passing out was apparently great for people. It sure does cut both ways when when the majority of people respond with, I wish you were this drunk all the time. Thank you for encouraging good life choices by me and Adam. We've talked a little bit offline about our random number generator and maybe augmenting that in the future. I think we'll probably wait until we're through season one to make any tweaks to that. But we were talking about some other random squares

we could land on, and fun ideas for that. So if you have ideas for those kinds of things, I would love to see a collaborative document get put together of things we could try, just to have some stuff to consider. I feel like Adam and I have like eight or nine ideas, but you know, go sick. I wonder if we could make this into a board game. Oh. In such a way that like we roll dice at the end of every episode and it just advances us forward that number of squares and then we land on X. Yeah.

Yeah. And maybe one of them is like a shoots and ladders punishment where we go all the way back to season one episode one. I like it. No! You're required to learn as you play, roll. Well, Adam, these people have been clicking their clawing peaks long enough. Should we see what our fate is?

Let's do... It's a ten! Shula! Did I win? Hardly! So we will be normally inebriated, not totally inebriated, next time. Sounds great. I'm relieved. Well, one thing that comes as a big relief to us is the

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