The Greatest Generation - Could I Smash a Zealot? (VOY S7E3)

Episode Date: December 4, 2023

When Paris and Kim meet a lady who likes impulse drive, she fits the Delta Flyer with a wooden shoe so they can enter the big race. But when BLT decides not to get left behind again, she takes the wor...st seat in the house and brings their relationship problems along for the ride. When do you know mistakes were made? Why aren’t there more white uniforms in Star Trek? What’s the most enjoyable way to use a Q-Tip? It’s the episode that loves the Doc’s balls!Support the production of The Greatest Generation.Friends of DeSoto for Democracy.Friends of DeSoto for Justice. Friends of DeSoto for Labor.Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Caretaker!Music by Adam Ragusea & Dark MateriaFollow The Greatest Generation on Twitter, and discuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen!The Greatest Generation is on YouTube.Facebook group | Subreddit | Discord | WikiSign up for our mailing list!Get a thing at podshop.biz!

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Starting point is 00:00:59 To Star Trek Podcast by a couple of guys just a little bit embarrassed about having a Star Trek Podcast. I'm Adam Pranica. I'm Ben Harrison. Oh, just finishing up the embroidery on the back of my jacket. Does Drive hold up? I mean Drive is ridiculous. Drive is all about the like mood of it. It is not about being a movie that hangs together, right?
Starting point is 00:01:27 Drive was the progenitor for John Wick, right? Just the cool, live-alone dude out for revenge, kick and ass. That's a genre that's existed for time in a mymereum though, right? That's not a drive drive didn't invent that. The this unassuming dude is actually the wrong guy to fuck with. genre that's like maybe that genre was asleep for a while and was woken up.
Starting point is 00:01:54 Yeah, by the car horns and drive. Hollywood came calling and the in cells responded. I refuse to be painted with that brush. I think all kinds of people enjoy drive. I think good Drives a fun movie in my recollection great soundtrack. It's fun. Come on man. Kazinsky. Sounds fun. I think that the like the the car chases are really fun and cool and everything I'm around them is like Incredibly shockingly stupid. Wasn't there like a fight in an elevator or a kiss in an elevator or both a fight and a kiss in an elevator?
Starting point is 00:02:33 Wasn't that drive? That was a thing in drive. There was the thing where Brian Cranston talked about how a race car needs a lot of tread on its tires. And when he was like, come on, move me about cars. Shouldn't you have like one person on set? I don't even know anything about cars and I know that you really sound slick. Brian Cranston, that's right.
Starting point is 00:02:55 Oscar Isaac, Christina Hendrix, that's it, Ben. We gotta do a bonus episode with Drive. Okay. Albert Brooks. Yeah. Albert Brooks. Yeah, Albert Brooks is the knifey bad guy. And his brother is played by a, Flock, hell boy, that threatened the life of the CEO of Sony during the strike.
Starting point is 00:03:20 Do you feel the way I do about... Ron Pearlman, the realist mother fucker in Hollywood? I remember almost every movie up until 2000 or maybe 2005. And then I don't remember any movie that came out after that until about 2020. You could have told me drive was made in 2000 or it was made in 2020, but I have a total movie blind spot. It's not like I didn't go to movies in 2010 or 2011. It's just I don't I don't remember that decade. What happened to me? I remember drive in a specific era because when drive came out, there was a kind of guy that was around my not to say I had a social circle but like a kind of guy I would encounter.
Starting point is 00:04:13 You had a social line maybe? I mean a social arc. There was a kind of guy I would encounter in certain circumstances who There was a kind of guy I would encounter in certain circumstances who made his entire personality putting on the soundtrack from Drive at a Party, you know? I mean, the thing is, it's a fucking great soundtrack. Like, if you're going to be a guy who puts on a thing at a party, I mean, Drive soundtrack, pretty okay. You could do worse. It's good.
Starting point is 00:04:43 Yeah, yeah. But doesn't a real human being and a real hero also have real interests outside of putting on the drive soundtrack at a party? I don't know. I don't know which of your friends you're talking about. I just met a bunch of your old friends at your, none of them were this guy.
Starting point is 00:05:01 Really? Are you sure? I'm trying to figure out who it might be. They could might be one of them. They weren't there in New York at this guy. Really? Are you sure? I'm trying to figure out who it might be. They could buy me one of them. They were there in New York at this time. Okay. In every man, there are two wolves, and one of them listens to the drive sound track.
Starting point is 00:05:16 I'm not taking it's bad to listen to the drive sound track. I'm saying a kind of person got way too obsessed with the drive sound track. I just want to know what kind of person got way too obsessed with the drive sound track. I just wanna know what kind of person you mean. When you say a kind of person. Yeah, well, you're never gonna know because it doesn't sound like you were that kind of person, and it doesn't sound like,
Starting point is 00:05:36 I mean, you did have a social circle back in the era when drive came out. That's probably why you don't remember exactly when it came out. Would the very worst person at a party to you, be a guy who pulls out a guitar and plays the drive soundtrack like acoustically. That's the worst, right?
Starting point is 00:05:56 MTV unplugged. Yeah. You all get it back in. You all get it. Plug it back in. I have always assumed that I'm the worst person at the party. So look, I've been teasing you a bunch in this, Marin. You're one of, if not the best person to have at a party, because here's why.
Starting point is 00:06:16 You're not going to play any of your bullshit music at me. You're going to bring a bottle of something great. You might even make drinks out of the thing that you bring. Always good for a joke and a hang. You help me clean up. You get the fuck out. Those are great qualities in my mind. I appreciate you saying that.
Starting point is 00:06:39 It's not going to dissuade me from my conviction that I'm the worst person at a party. You know what? If that is the engine that keeps you at this level, It's not going to dissuade me from my conviction that I'm the worst person at a party. Sure. You know what, if that is the engine that keeps you at this level, like sometimes your false modesty can actually make you like a better party goer. And so if this is like the fuel for that,
Starting point is 00:06:58 yeah, keep thinking that. Yeah. Okay. You suck at parties, man. Definitely come to my next one. Yeah. You ever invited me. I could demonstrate how much I suck.
Starting point is 00:07:13 Yeah. All my parties are Christmas parties. Well, we're getting into the holiday season and love is in the air at them. Do you want to get into the episode of Star Trek Voyager? We came to talk about today. What a bizarre little nugget this one is. Bandit Star Trek Voyager season seven episode three. Derive. Now that's pod racing. Reverse course. Unless you've got something a little bigger in your torpedo toots, I'm not
Starting point is 00:07:42 turning around. Our cold open is on the Delta flyer and it's zooming through a test flight, through an asteroid field with Paris up front at the wheel and Harry Kim and the station behind him. It's got a suck to be seated where Harry Kim is facing because you're like, basically orthogonal to the direction of travel. So you're just looking at the side of the ship the entire time. Hmm. Yeah. And you're only looking at the back at the back of someone's head. Also, yeah, which a lot of times is fine, but in this context, no way. Yeah. I mean, in a version of Star Trek where Nubinbugs became the big threat to the Federation that
Starting point is 00:08:26 they thought they might when they wrote that episode of TNG. This is a good seat. You want to be back there checking for Nubbins. It's one of those compositions that I think Meritz mentioned in that you've got to do it this way. You can't do Shuttle craft style seating in a place this important to Star Trek Voyager. You have to have a guy over the shoulder of the pilot in order to make the composition work. And frequently, that's what we get here. This two shot.
Starting point is 00:08:58 It's a nice shot. There's zoom in around. Harry is being, you know, a little bit of a wet blanket about the way Paris is flying and then a ship pulls up alongside them and a voice, a lady voice from the other ship challenges them to a race and Harry puts his wet blanket down, picks up his crank. Harry Kim is kind of the goose to Paris's maverick, here, isn't he? Goose frequently the not now, mav, not a good idea to buzz the tower, whatever. Right, right. In your description, that just hit me.
Starting point is 00:09:38 Like, yeah, Harry Kim doesn't want to buzz the tower. Tom Paris does. That's race. Yeah, does that mean that at such time Kim doesn't want to buzz the tower. Tom Paris does. That's race. Yeah. Does that mean that at such time as Paris and Kim have to eject, Kim would bonk his head on the Plexiglass as they as they get out of the plane. I think that's the case. I mean, Harry Kim lived off of his own ropes
Starting point is 00:10:03 in that escape pod for a long time, right? Yeah. It's going to make Meg Ryan so sad if that happens. Yeah. They raised to the comment at the end of the asteroid field, just a beautiful shot at the end of this cold open. What a place. I like the shot.
Starting point is 00:10:19 It was a really dynamic, interesting environment. a really dynamic, interesting environment. Ben, if you are dropped into an episode as the actions happening, and that action happens to be a race, would you say that you're in media race race? Yeah. Because that's us after the theme. You are media race race. I felt like by contrast with the opening, which felt really exciting and dynamic,
Starting point is 00:10:48 the way they shot this race after the opening credits felt really slow and kind of lethargic and non-exciting to me. Kind of a weird tone if what you're trying to do is like, a race episode. Right. Which is what this is. Yeah. I think that they got it a little bit better in the later ones,
Starting point is 00:11:12 and maybe what they were trying to do is not nuke the fridge, not have all of the excitement, get out of the way in the first four minutes of the episode. Let me ask you a question. Do you think that this episode overestimates the amount of interest there is in the Delta Flyer as a cool ship that people want to know more about? Because kind of a lot of time and attention is given to like, whoa, cool new impulse engines, or like, wow, the seats look like they might be in different color or whatever. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:43 seats look like they might be in a different color or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Whereas you could scrape a little bit of that attention on to something that's actually cool. Maybe if what you thought was the Delta flyer wouldn't cut it in that department. So what you're saying is you wish that they'd focused more on like establishing a realistic relationship arc between Tom and Bullana. You know what?
Starting point is 00:12:06 That wouldn't be managing my expectations. I have been the entire series. W. Slash R. Slash T. That relationship. I mean, I was kind of surprised having read the capsule for this episode. And like the race comes between Tom and Volana that this lady that they beam over does not become an object of romantic interest for Tom. Yeah. Like the episode seems to be like, oh, I guess we can't do that.
Starting point is 00:12:36 So I guess we'll make Harry interested in her, you know. Like it sort of feels like a writer's room after thought of like, oh yeah, I guess we should probably, there's going to be a young woman in this episode. We have to make one of the male characters be horny for her. Right, but as the resident stickman of Voyager, it has been a while since Harry stuck it in strange. Yeah. Except when they beam on board, the pilot from this other ship, a ship that is drifting
Starting point is 00:13:08 in space due to its blown out in a cell, she's coughing, but she's fine. And so is her ship. It's going to need some repairs. And so Harry Kim is pretty enthusiastic about putting some fresh parts into her hull on Voyager. Yeah. He's like, you get your cell blown out. Let me blow something else for you. Yeah, how's that back?
Starting point is 00:13:31 Do it. Are you always this in Christmassy? Get out of Harry! Who are you? That depends on who I'm talking to. Parents must be very proud. The one with the long handle. Of course.
Starting point is 00:13:42 Who are you? Harry Kim. There's someone to watch out for. How can you turn me down? Apparently, I Of course. Who are you? Harry Kim. There's someone to watch out for. How can you turn me down? Apparently I can't. Who are you? Harry Kim. I lasted 22 minutes. And your mom.
Starting point is 00:13:50 Barry Brow. Harry Kim. Who are you? Harry Kim. So back on Voyager, we're in 6 Bay. And BLT wants to borrow three hours of the doctor's holiday time. This is a, I feel like you've made this point before. Why does the doctor's holiday time. This is, I feel like you've made this point before.
Starting point is 00:14:05 Why does the doctor need holiday time ever? And why should he be at the front of any line? Can he just go into the computer and experience this without holography? This is my question. Like when he goes to sleep, doesn't he just go into basically what the holiday is? Or does he go to sleep? Like, yeah, I don't know. There definitely seems to be something in
Starting point is 00:14:34 Star Trek about like the holographic matrix is doing more than just representing something physically. It's like also like somehow computationally important. So I don't know, maybe there's something to that. But anyways, yeah, he's got a T time that he doesn't want to give up. And she's like, listen, you don't understand. I have put in so much work getting all of the holiday time for this entire weekend put together, except for this three hour span.
Starting point is 00:15:04 And if I can get your holiday time from you, then Tom Parris and I can have a romantic weekend getaway. On Gidey Prime, the seat of House Harconan, that's supposed to be better than Ryza in her mind. What a nightmare. He's in her mind. What a nightmare. I really wish the doc didn't accolade us here and instead like BLT and Paris got to do their holiday time up until the three hours when they have to like side out and rotate get you prime for the doc. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:39 Give me that soon. You're a golfman. What did you think when you saw this putter? I mean, it looked like it had a bunch of different like flaps. I thought it was a novelty club that was all clubs. Like you kind of turn one of the leafs out and that's like your six iron or you turn another leaf out and that's your nine iron. That's what I thought this was. Oh wow
Starting point is 00:16:05 it's like a Swiss army putter. Yeah like a Swiss army bathroom putter. I have made an improvement. But I know what the doctor is feeling like t-times are hard to come by. You don't really want to change them if you don't have to. Yeah. But BLT does this thing. This thing that we rarely see her do BLT does this thing, this thing that we rarely see her do. Which is like, guilt trips, I'm on. Hard. Well, if your tea time is more important than our happiness, our first chance to be alone in months.
Starting point is 00:16:38 And it works. Fine. Yeah. Take my three hours. Thank you. Mission accomplished for BLT. Meanwhile in the shuttle bay, we get like a very fun establishing shot of the Delta flyer next to this lady's ship. And inside Harry Kim is trying to help her fix things up.
Starting point is 00:17:07 She's a little short with him in a way that seems like maybe Harry Kim's skills of a Mac daddy are not necessarily working super great on her. I thought the casting here was really interesting because it seems on the surface that this is going to be an episode where Harry Kim has the hots for the hot guest star of the week. Right.
Starting point is 00:17:33 And you know, in the beginning, she's cool to the idea for whatever reason. And this episode surprised me because up until its revelation happens, I was like, yeah, she's just not down with Harry Kim and that's okay. I guess it's a matter of taste. And yet he persists, you know? Yeah, in the way of like millions of characters on millions of 80s and 90s TV shows in particular. That's it exactly. Yeah. Yeah. See a baton. I'm not sure if I'm pronouncing her name correctly. Appears to be an Orion in her IMDB picture. Oh, interesting.
Starting point is 00:18:13 Yeah, I think she was also on Star Trek Enterprise maybe. What did you make of her ship? Because I thought it was real roller coaster core of a design like like everything's bright and it looks like everything is crash padded. Yeah, like all the like neon green paneling and everything. I really did like all the bright colors. You never see that. Yeah, like, but then like all of the panels kind of evoked Cardassian to me. They had a like a deep space nine computer look to them. It really looks like a lot of work to have built this ship. Like everything is glossy and resin. Like, yeah, it looked nice. It did look nice.
Starting point is 00:18:59 So yeah, they're kind of not, things are not going super great for Harry Kim in just trying to have like a pleasant conversation while helping this lady fix her ship. And then she does the thing that you have to do to kind of get a guy off you at a party is mention that you already have a co-pilot. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:21 Right at the moment that Paris comes down the long ladder from another part of the ship. Yeah. Paris comes in to try a classic pickup artist tactic on her, which is nagging her warp drive. Yeah. He's been in the back checking things out and she's like, I don't really fuck with warp. I'm into impulse. That's where all the action is. Warp is straight line physics.
Starting point is 00:19:46 Impulse is where the fun is. I like this distinction, the distinction between a race car and a dragster, you know? Anyone can understand this. Yeah, it's got the kind of feel of shop talk, which we always really love hearing in these shows. So she starts talking about this race that she's getting ready to take part in.
Starting point is 00:20:06 And we cut right to a McLaughlin group where Tom and Harry are pitching some of the other senior officers on them joining this race, entering the Delta flyer in it. I love these kind of sequences. You know, expedite the story. Don't tell it twice, like pass the baton from scene to scene, and that's what this is. Yeah, and like they are now introducing the new idea to other characters, and we pick it up midway through the unrolling of this idea. Tuvac is a little worried about the modifications that will have to be done to the Delta flyer, and all the manpower that will be requisitions to do this. He's like, you're going to have to be done to the Delta flyer and all the manpower that will be requisitions to do this. He's like, you're gonna have to put this like fuel converter system in there. You're gonna have to paint cool corporate logos all over the side of it. That's gonna be
Starting point is 00:20:56 kind of annoying. We're gonna have to do the jackets with all of said logos. And the scorpions on the back. This is maybe my favorite version of B-Dunk's doing Paris, is like the child asking mom for permission to do a thing. You see this all the time, Paris, I think, has done this a couple of times this season. Yeah. But this time, Janeways into it.
Starting point is 00:21:21 Absolutely. This competition is just the sort of break we need. Yeah, it very much has the same energy of just asking to get to make the Delta Fire in the first place. Yeah. Yeah, request granted. Janeway's been looking for a nice diversion where they don't have to be the ship of death this week.
Starting point is 00:21:43 Give it time. So yeah, she's into it, but she wants it done in a way where they're going to actually go for the gold. There's coffee and winning. There's a really cartoonish tablo to end this scene where Chico, Paris and Kim are like psyched for the thing and two Voc is like the perturbed crew person, just disapproving of everyone else's excitement. That's fun. Paris learns quickly that he has fucked all the way up because he walks down to Six Bay where the doctor is practicing his short game.
Starting point is 00:22:26 I don't know, man. If you're missing the gyre so bad that it's going out into the corridor, I think you need to go to the practice facility more than playing real rounds, Doc. Yeah, why does he have a tea time at St Andrews when he's this remedial in his skills? He's going to get at St. Andrews. It's not gonna be good for him. You suck, you suck ass. I love these balls. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:52 One thing that's happened in golf, I would say fairly recently, is like people are more comfortable playing a crazy looking ball. Interesting. Ball with shit on it, ball that's bright, gold colored, or red colored, or black.
Starting point is 00:23:04 Uh-huh. People will play a black golf ball now. Ball with shit on it, ball that's bright gold colored or red colored or black. People will play a black golf ball now. That never used to be a thing. Does anybody play like a Kelly green golf ball? Part of the challenge is that it's really hard to find. I mean, there's all types out there now. I mean, and there's glow balls too. People play at night.
Starting point is 00:23:23 Night ball. Night golf with balls that glow. I've people play at night. Night ball. Night golf. With balls that glow? I've never done that before. That sounds like fun. But yeah. That's got to be an easier teetime to get, right? Yeah, I should try for those.
Starting point is 00:23:35 That'd be better. Yeah, we got a nine o'clock teetime. Great! See you after dessert. What? Yeah. So Paris brings the Doc's ball back to him in the 6th Bay. The Doc sees a Paris that is feeling great and confuses the reasons why.
Starting point is 00:23:58 He's like, oh, you must be psyched about this trip, BLT, as planned. And this is a great take by BDUGS here, when the reality of his fuck up washes over him. Oh, no. Don't tell me you forgot. He's excited about the wrong thing. Yeah, he's like, Doc, your short game is fucked up. My short and curly's are about to get fucked up.
Starting point is 00:24:21 Is there a way you could surgically remove my penis and testicles for the conversation I'm about to have? Keep them safe, like in stasis. So I can go have this extremely difficult conversation, and then you can reattach them later. Oh yeah, it's like the flower under the glass dome and beauty in the beast just rotating in the six bay. Ooh.
Starting point is 00:24:54 If a mood had polarity, Paris gets his reversed. Like, and he he slinks out of the room for a fight that he knows is coming. And here's my question about this. Like, not knowing a fight is coming is better, right? Then like putting foot in front of foot on your way to it, like the agony of that is awful. That's what Paris has in front of him. Why is the anticipation of a fight so painful and also the anticipation of good so painful? It's like, they both suck. Yeah, yeah, they're bad. Both of them. Both of them.
Starting point is 00:25:26 Well, speaking of these nuts, Paris enters engineering, expecting them to get absolutely clobbered and is very confused when she appears to be cool with the decision that he's made. And not even like that he's really made a decision.
Starting point is 00:25:45 Like he is so into his idea of going and entering this race that he went and planned it and got the ship reassigned to the task of race without even considering the effect it might have on BLT or their weekend. And she's like, oh, okay, great, you know, we'll just reschedule the thing. I would have rather jumped over the rail into the warp core than admitted that I'd forgotten. I could not understand that he told her he forgot. You don't have to
Starting point is 00:26:23 lie, but you don't have to say that. You don't have to show your whole ass here. It's too much truth, maybe. I think a couple of things are happening here. And the first one is the heartbreaking moment of like BLT being so happy to see him at the exact moment he's there to ruin her weekend. That sucks, but also the way these shots are composed, at the exact moment he's there to ruin her weekend.
Starting point is 00:26:49 That sucks, but also the way these shots are composed, I think really helps out both actors because they're very close up. You get to see their expressions right in there in a way that allows you to perceive BLTs kind of dishonesty about being okay with this. And they're like kind of wishful thinking that Paris is engaging in suspending his disbelief and believing her dishonesty.
Starting point is 00:27:13 Like, you know. I like how she doesn't go full soap opera after Paris is gone. Like, there's a moment where I'm like, oh, is this real? And then, oh yeah, obviously it's not, but her take is very subtle, you know? Yeah, I think Roxanne Dawson has this gear,
Starting point is 00:27:31 but I don't think BLT is the hang-tier type. And so that's not the way she takes it. Instead, she winds up late night in Nielix's restaurant. Mistakes were made if it's late night, and you're going through Mielix's restaurant, wouldn't you say? Yeah, and he's like, sorry, sorry, the kitchen is closed, sorry. But you said it closed at 10. It's 9.35.
Starting point is 00:27:58 He's like, can I at least get like a bag of chips or something? Coffee to a black coffee, what? something? Cough me to it. Black, trophy, what? Bacon, bacon, bacon yourself. BLT does that thing where she just sort of collapses. On what seems to be, is this a new couch? In the mess hauler, is this just a couch being used for the first time? I was trying to think of it, it's been in the background and other shots, and they just haven't set up at it before or what.
Starting point is 00:28:26 But yeah. I'm not a big like interior design or like furniture man. But it kind of seems like Star Trek interior design and Patrick Bateman's apartment from American Psycho are kind of compatible. You know? Patrick, it's so elegant. What a wonderful view. Yeah. This couch looks like it belongs in Patrick Bateman's apartment. It would look good with a sheet of plastic thrown over it.
Starting point is 00:28:51 Yeah. With the style section taped to the floor. I like, uh, Nielix's take here too. Nielix kind of collapses across from VLT. Yeah. Fakes a foot injury. And, uh And it's here that they have this conversation about how she's dealing with, I don't know, what could be a sad double cross. Yeah, I mean, she's kind of thinking of it as the end of their relationship. She's like, there's a lot I like about him,
Starting point is 00:29:20 but we're just not compatible totally. Like we're, you know, despite all of the love between us, it never seems to quite come together. And it's time to stop kind of fooling myself about, you know, what the real deal is with him. Sometimes Star Trek really gets it right in these moments. And I think this is a moment that does because Neelix makes the case that it's not really fair for Paris not to know that he screwed up. You know, like if you're really in it with a person, and you ride for them, and you think you're deciding to break things off, like for Paris to not know the reason that's the cause of it, it's
Starting point is 00:30:07 just a form of dishonesty. Almost. It's not protecting Paris from who he is or what he's done. It's just like, you should be able to have that conversation. It is without honor to withhold the breakup until after the Padres, you know. Yeah. But it's like very relatable thinking that she's doing, right? Like, when when a breakup looms, there's always the like, oh, but, you know, this weekend is her birthday or like. Right, you have to do the calculus about how specific to get because specificity is cruelty to.
Starting point is 00:30:43 Yeah. Right. Like, for example, when Tom specified that cruelty too. Yeah. Right. Like, for example, when Tom specified that he forgot. Yes. Yeah. I mean, I really like this scene for Nelix. Occasionally, he can be insightful. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:58 He can really do it sometimes. And like, the main takeaway here is like, it's not fair to hold someone to a standard that they don't know about and that's Tom Paris in a nutshell. Yeah, you got to tell them about the standard So we get a Janeway's log here the race is on and so Ambassador Ozal is the race coordinator that transports on. Yeah, played by Brian George, an absolute legendary that guy.
Starting point is 00:31:28 Yeah, yeah. See him all the time in everything. Still working all the time. Yeah, he, you might remember him as Dr. Bashir's dad. Right. Remember? Yeah, he was Dr. Bashir's dad. That's right.
Starting point is 00:31:42 Pretty cool. Not anymore. Now he's an ambassador. Hehehehehehehehehehehe ready room with Chicote and this is an awkward moment. I couldn't get over this. Like the ambassadors over there do an ambassadorial work and he gets a face time, a work face time and he just takes it in the room in front of him. Yeah. Like, what are the chances that this work phase time is not gonna be about information
Starting point is 00:32:07 that might be sensitive to exposed to a new entrant in this race that a lot appears to be riding on? Or useful for story. I love to find some way of appeasing them. So the back story here is that this race is about peaceful competition to demonstrate the strength of a new treaty between four species that have been vying for control of this area of space.
Starting point is 00:32:35 And the point of this call is that one of these species is feeling a type of way about another species getting the honor of hosting one of the parties surrounding the race and Jane Wayslake. Maybe you can solve all problems everywhere by just hosting all of the festivities on Voyager, thereby eliminating any sense of diplomatic favoritism and also removing the need for the television show to build a bunch of new sets. Right. Yeah. Yeah, in contemporary terms,
Starting point is 00:33:11 it's like choosing a neutral site for Thanksgiving or Christmas or whatever, right? Yeah. If you got a bunch of different parent families involved, yeah, you just take it out of there. Take it out of their hands. involved. Yeah, you just take it out of there. Take it out of their hands. Indeed. So, uh, so this is great news for everybody, including the scenic building department. And we cut right to one of these parties. And this is the one where the racing teams are
Starting point is 00:33:45 the one where the racing teams are getting to know each other. And Arena, the lady that Tom and Harry say before is talking to Tom and Harry, who have snazzy new pilot uniforms. She points out a guy named Asan, who is one of the favorites in this upcoming competition. And he is over at the bum out window using it for its described purpose. I don't think Star Trek uses white in their costumeing very much, but when they do, it just fucking explodes off the screen. That's what I felt about these uniforms. I thought they looked amazing.
Starting point is 00:34:18 They looked great. The white is so bright. I wonder if it's just hard to... Like, you probably have to like remake this uniform every episode to keep it like as crispy and white looking as it does. Yeah. It's probably why they don't do it, but.
Starting point is 00:34:33 Yeah, these are great. I mean, you never see it used, but you get the sense that those straps are Velcro across the front. I just really love how they hang. They're really neat. Yeah, looks really good. Paris goes up to Asan, who is a former fighter pilot
Starting point is 00:34:50 in whatever the war was that this treaty and race are in response to. And he's like, hey, dude, nice to meet you. And Asan is not much of a conversationalist. Were you assigned to serve me? Um, not exactly. Hey Ben, who's worst at a party? A son or you?
Starting point is 00:35:13 Me, 100%. Hey, a son, if you didn't want to go to the party, just don't fucking go. What is this? Weird scene and weird shot too. Like one of the things I loved about this is that you never see a son's face, not even a quarter of it. Like, you just see this little sliver
Starting point is 00:35:31 because he never stops looking out the window. Yeah, all you see is that massive hole of his ear, which is like, it goes all the way up the side of his head. You're just looking into the void. You're probably allowed to use a Q-tip with this year, right? They're like, you know, for most people know, for this guy, use like four. I've never used Q-tips on my ears.
Starting point is 00:35:52 What? I've believed the no Q-tips in the ear thing from jump. I believe that you believed that. Underly. Oh my God, man, it's one of life's pleasures. Really? Oh, it feels great. But doesn't it like bunch the earwax up against your,
Starting point is 00:36:09 your eardrum, have you ever used ear plugs or anything, has anything ever gone in? I mean, I have like air pods or whatever. You have gold-star ear holes? Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so when you pull your AirPods out. Never even shaved them.
Starting point is 00:36:28 Do you pull out like a string of pearls of earwax? Ha ha ha. Like, do they ever come out just totally wrecked? I choose to keep that information to myself. Oh, no. Oh, no. Here's what I'll say, Ben. And no one should ever take medical advice
Starting point is 00:36:47 from two Star Trek podcasters. You can just tease the rim with that cute tip. You don't have to go all the way in. I don't think so. I think you might be happy with the results. Sounds kind of dangerous to me. Damn. I get my ears checked all the time.
Starting point is 00:37:04 There's no impacted wax in my holes. That's good. In my holes? Oh, you wanna know what my lifetime dollar value of Q-tips that I've purchased is? Zero. Never spend a nickel on a Q-tip. God, amazing.
Starting point is 00:37:19 I'm blown away by this. Wow. Wow. You're fascinating. Right. I got tickets that. Lucknam gets that. All the better large minutes here. I've got tickets that.
Starting point is 00:37:33 Lucknam. We're not resetting a high. Go. Go. When we got approached about advertising for Orifames, I hadn't tried the product yet, and I was like, uh, I don't know. I've seen those digital picture frames that you buy in the checkout aisle at a drug store. The colors not that good, they don't make the pictures look particularly good, and they're kind of a pain in the ass to use. Not so with Aura Frames, when we received a couple of samples from them, I was really impressed with the picture quality.
Starting point is 00:38:06 It looks way better than it does on the screen of your cell phone. The one thing I really love about sending pictures to the Aura Frames I've given to loved ones in my life is that I can do it right from my phone. Like you can just tap the little button that brings up, you know, post it to Instagram, send it in a text message, or post a right to the Orafram. So if I snap a cute picture of my baby, his grandparents get that pic in their living room.
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Starting point is 00:38:57 For a lot of folks, the holiday season is about access. Go big with the big feast, with family and friends, or go the distance by visiting folks throughout a town. Go hard with the drinks, or the party. Look, I've done these things before. With the solid A season, I'm going to try to make them as chill as possible. And for me, it's going to include microdose gummies. Because with microdose gummies, I don't feel any of the downsides of going big.
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Starting point is 00:40:24 listening to reading glasses. We'll help you get those borrowed books back and solve all your other reader problems. Reading Glasses, every Thursday on Maximum Fun. I'm Emily Heller and I'm Lisa Hannah Walt and we're the hosts of Baby Geniuses. We've been doing our podcast for over 10 years. When we started, it was about trying to learn something new every episode. Now, it's about us trying to actively get stupider and it's working. Hang out with us and you'll hear us chat about gardening horses. Various problems with our butts and all the weird stuff that makes us horny.
Starting point is 00:41:00 That's so weird. All that stuff. Baby geniuses! A show for adult idiots! Every other week on Maximum Fun! Duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh wearing exactly the same green vinyl pants. Yeah. Yeah. Like, Colonel Kira would totally rock this on an off day. Oh, yeah. This is from the Colonel Kira collection.
Starting point is 00:41:51 Yeah. But Jackson, a real hunk. Yeah. Like, when they go in for the hug, it really looks like he's about to grab her butt too. I bet when two people are wearing vinyl pants or vinyl closing at all and they embrace like this, there's some weird friction.
Starting point is 00:42:13 Maybe not appropriate for two co-workers to hug in pants of this kind. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. So we cut from this lured embrace to the As lab where BLT asks seven for some bullshit, just some busy work stuff. But seven's too busy because she's helping design an efficient way to get through the cones of this race.
Starting point is 00:42:36 And BLT's like, why are you helping? Yeah. You of all people wouldn't care about this. And the way seven explains it is she's like, I know that by helping a little bit, I can make our work relationship better. Tom Paris sometimes gets busted down to Ensign, but most of the time he's a lieutenant, and when he's a lieutenant, we got to work well together. So like, flaws and all, I still respect the guy, and we're a better team when that respect goes both ways. From the mouth of Robo Babes.
Starting point is 00:43:11 This really hits BLT like a ton of bricks. She has one of those like, like the end of the scene is one of those takes that's just BLT gun. Huh. Yeah. This whole episode feels very soap opera in that way, right? It does. Yeah. The reveal is that the next day Tom is getting ready for the race and he gets run up on by a paparato. That paparato, his girlfriend, she's in a flight uniform. She's replacing Harry Kim as his co-pilot. Pretty great, but also pretty fraught, right?
Starting point is 00:43:51 Like Harry Kim and Tom Paris are a great team. And when you introduce special person to a hobby, watch out! Yeah, but also when special person shows up in the form-fitting flight uniform with the white yoke on top, it's like I cannot possibly stay mad at special person. I don't know if it's just a quality to a race or whatever, but like frustrations during competition like this are so fraught that too like also introduce relationship to it just felt so dangerous to me. Yeah, yeah, the stakes is high, but it's time to kick off the interior transdeller rally. How great is this introduction to the race scene? Like, if you like video games do this really well, like the moment before the race begins,
Starting point is 00:44:56 like the shot floats around to the car you've selected and the car selection screen, and like, it's that time to get excited because the motors are running and your and your vehicles kind of kind of ready to go and that's kind of the scene that we get here on Voyager. It's given F zero, it's given Mario Kart. Yeah. It's giving like fast and furious movie like totally. We see all the pilots and co-pilots, we see all the ships all lined up. There's so many cool designs like that was such a fun part of it.
Starting point is 00:45:29 And scales? Love seeing that? Yeah, and all the bigger starship lined up along the front of the raceway and Ambassador Ozzol kind of like speaking to the import of the moment. How badly did you want Ozzol to hit the button to shoot the torpedo that started the race? That would have been fun! That would have been fun. Let Osal hit the button.
Starting point is 00:45:51 I would have also liked after the torpedo exploded and the race started to cut back to the bridge and have two Vox just be at the back of the bridge going that was our last torpedo There was a body in that one So we get a bunch of fun race footage and During the race a sound scrapes the Delta flyer been rubbin his race and we all know that rubin is racing. BLT seems a little bit surprised by this, but Paris has to explain. Yeah. He didn't slam it, he didn't bump you, he didn't nut you, he rubbed you. He's thinking about trying to get Asan back with a cold-frog starburst maneuver later. But yeah, they're in close quarters as this race goes. And
Starting point is 00:46:43 they're in close quarters as this race goes. And Neelix comes down to the ass lab where Sevin is monitoring everything on kind of like a top down, like the kind of graphics that you have at the ballpark when it's like the, you know, the dots are racing around the bases. Yeah, yeah. The kind of thing.
Starting point is 00:47:01 And he's like, you're giving percentages and it's not very exciting. Let me show you how to color commentate. It's all in the delivery. Do you mind? This is so great. So great for Nielix. He has this utterly.
Starting point is 00:47:16 He gets on the one MC and he's so good at it. This reminded me of one of my very first jobs that was working in a grocery store and I often worked at it. This reminded me of one of my very first jobs I was working in a grocery store and I often worked at night and I worked the night of the Evander Holyfield Mike Tyson fight where Mike Tyson bit Evander Holyfield's ear. Wow. And somehow clean up on aisle three there is ketchup everywhere. I actually got on the PA and I was like... Oh yeah! Here's a... here's a sound in the prairie update.
Starting point is 00:47:58 And in whatever round of the fight in Las Vegas, There's been a disqualification. It might take a bit of intermolecy of Europe. They suspended the chin music and started playing ear music. Yeah, yeah. I really did freelance on the PA for that one, but did not get in trouble. It was appreciated. People wanted to know.
Starting point is 00:48:23 I was like one of the biggest sporting events of years. I would like to have known that at impranica. Yeah, that's fun. That was back when I sold lotto tickets and stuff. My grocery store, great job. Did it just burn you up every time you sold one to somebody that wasn't you? I really have no feelings at all about the lottery.
Starting point is 00:48:49 I'm not attracted to that form of gambling at all. Wow. Yeah. Shocking. Yeah. Leave me out of that. Nielix has gathered quite the crowd. Like people had been watching the race out the window on Voyager, but now they're kind of gathering in the Aslab so that they can hear
Starting point is 00:49:06 his commentary. As the race moves toward the mobius inversion, and it's the last third of the course, it's like a wormhole, and there's no way to track the racers during because they're off sensors. And so while they're in this tunnel with a couple of ships out ahead of them, I guess it's a sun and arena ships that they're talking about. BLT gets real excited about an opportunity that they have to get into the lead by kind of like cutting between the two of them, kind of flipping on the nitrous oxide system.
Starting point is 00:49:46 Tom is like really not into her plan, but she just does it, she just goes ahead and does it and he steers them through. And the second they pop out the other side of the wormhole, they get word from the race authorities that it's time to shut the engines down because there has been a technical problem on one of the other ships and like emergency crews are responding I guess.
Starting point is 00:50:12 Probably helps that they get to to scrape the ships as they go by. That's fun. Black flag, Ben. Got to stop the race. You never like to see it. Yeah. The reason why is that an accident happened on Arena's ship and poor Jackson, his pants are fine. I need to say that up top. That's the wrong below the waist. But he got rocked in the face when his panel exploded
Starting point is 00:50:43 and Arena's rocking a very sad side ponytail as she absorbs this information. Yeah. She's pissed at a son for being the one that damaged her ship. And when we cut over to the conference room, like Ozzol is there to hear the explanations from those involved about what happened and BLTs, kind of taking
Starting point is 00:51:05 responsibility for the scrape and Tuvak walks in with a wooden shoe that was lodged in arena ship. Yeah. Hence the word sabotage. Is this a shoe of race shenanigans or a shoe of war? It's the question. That is the question. That is the question. It seems like the shield thing overloaded, not just because so much rubbin and racing was going on, but because somebody threw that into her shield generators.
Starting point is 00:51:36 And like, Asan has not been wildly apologetic and BLT and Tom, and Tom have a little bit tried to take some responsibility for what happened, but they're like, well, you know, like this is pretty fucked up. We need to think about this. And the ambassador is quite concerned that this could be a prelude to a broader conflict, because if somebody is trying to mess with the race, it might be a way to destabilize the peace that they've fought so hard for. I like how plausibly athletic the racers are here. The racers just want a race. They don't really seem to give a shit about the politics of it. Yeah. They just want to get back behind the wheel and that sort of ends up being the consensus. Yeah. So in the corridor after arena and Paris and BLT run into Harry Kim, who is absolutely
Starting point is 00:52:35 psyched about being arena's new co-pilot, this is something that arena does not feel the same way about because she didn't know until this moment. He is really not reading the vibes. Like, she does not seem to be responding to the Riz when he is around her, but he's like, well maybe if we're forced together on like a road trip, she'll have to talk to me. Yeah, I don't love that. Objection noted, we'll do this without you. Do it.
Starting point is 00:53:03 Do it. Objection noted, we'll do this without you. Do it. Get to do it. Get to do it. Objection noted, we'll do this without you. Do it. Get to do it. Get to do it. Do it. So we're back on the Delta Flyer after, and they're in the shuttle bay making repairs.
Starting point is 00:53:14 BLT and Paris are, and they're talking my race strategy, and Harry Kim walks in, limping, and covered in sirt, and also smitten. Kim walks in, limping and covered in sirt. Yeah. And also smitten. He was making repairs of his own with arena. They were up all night. They had a great time.
Starting point is 00:53:34 If you spend time with the romantic interest and then emerge limping and covered in sirt, pretty good night. Yeah. To be honest, I can't remember the last time I had so much fun. He's very enthusiastic. The race is back on and we're now watching them race while BLT talks to Tom Paris about the kind of new relationship energy that Harry Kim was demonstrating the last time they saw him.
Starting point is 00:54:02 I know this scene thinks this and I know Tom Paris thinks this, but I wonder if you think this that by like listing off all of the previous romantic interest that Harry Kim has. I think Paris thinks he's turning this into a positive, but like when you hear the list, it sounds kind of mean, right? Yeah, definitely like a thing you might want to think about when your special person talks about your best friend in disparaging of terms as these. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:35 It's fun though, it's a funny scene. I like it. I was a little disappointed that they didn't make Harry Kim a major kira Pant suit to go with arenas. Oh Ben That would have been incredible Get those pants off a Jackson. Yeah, Jackson pants. I Mean when that panel exploded Jackson nearly killed him
Starting point is 00:55:03 when that panel exploded, Jackson nearly killed him. So like Paris and BLT start kind of quibbling about their relationship in the context of, oh man, Harry, Kim and Irina are so cute together. And then we just cut to them quibbling in their ship. This is what I was afraid of. There's no good. It's a real like, oh yeah. Like sometimes the relationship grass is just greener, you know?
Starting point is 00:55:32 And they're sniping and having similar disagreements about race strategy and a warning bell goes off and a rena is like, oh, I must be something way back here well away from your panel. And Harry's like, no, it's my panel. And he, like, barely avoids getting the same treatment that Jackson did from this thing. God, this was close.
Starting point is 00:55:56 Yeah. No sooner has he jumped out of the way of the exploding panel than Aurena pulls a strap on him. She was the bad guy the whole time. Would you make this close quarters fight? Like the way this was framed up, it felt like you were really in it as a viewer. Yeah, it's like the make out slash elevator fight scene
Starting point is 00:56:18 in the other drive. That's right, great call. But Kim has the upper hand here shortly, but the problem is, comms are down, so we can't radio for help. Yeah. I thought that the fight scene was really well choreographed. It felt really realistic. It wasn't like super kung fu or anything, but like when he gets the gun away from her and starts yelling at her, I was like, I feel like they looped the yellow though, didn't it sound weird to you?
Starting point is 00:56:49 It did sound a little weird, but like, in a way of like, he delivers the line like somebody who is totally surprised in this moment. Yeah. Like, I thought I was gonna get to smash with this girl, and now I'm like struggling to get a pistol out of her hands that she was aiming at me, you know. What the hell is going on? Garrett Wong's incredulity here is maybe his finest hour of the past season, at least. This is good stuff. This is chewy.
Starting point is 00:57:17 Yeah, well, it's only, we're only three episodes into the season, so. Yeah, I just still mean what I said. So back on the flyer, things are almost as big of a fight over there. Yeah. They're arguing about the restors band, but are they really arguing about the restors? I don't think so. Yeah. The metaphorical thrusters seem to be malfunctioning in their relationship. And there is a very real feeling here that, like, these are two people who love each other very much, but they're allowing the fact that their relationship might not be perfect to be a reason to break up.
Starting point is 00:57:58 I really love the way they took the metaphor of scraping shields into their own relationship in this conversation. Like the script establishes that as some of the terminology that you use in the context of pod racing and then they bring it into this conversation. I thought it was a really nice little flourish of writing. And I also like that Tom gets so frustrated that he cuts the engines. He's like the thing that we are working out here is much more important to me than anything else going on around us. And she's really shocked about that. Like she is pretty invested in the race by this point. And I think invested in the race because she assumes that that's the only thing to be
Starting point is 00:58:45 invested in because he's not invested in their relationship. And he kind of proves that the relationship is the more important of the two things to him in this moment. If we've got a problem, we're going to resolve it right here, right now. No sooner has he stood up and turned to faceer than Assange's ship zooms past them. stood up and turned to face her, then Assan's ship zooms past them. And everybody watching the race, including Harry and Arena, are like, well, fire's out of it. I get why this moment works to like articulate what Paris and BLT are feeling, but I wish that in popular culture, sacrifice wasn't so interchangeable with like the currency of a relationship, you know? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:33 Like so often it's like, if you loved me, you would stop doing the thing that you like and instead choose me. Mm-hmm. And I think that is like, man, that stuff is so caustic to any relationship of any kind. That like, I kind of bristle at the depiction of this being like a breakthrough. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:59:55 Yeah, I feel like it is like a trope to the point of being kind of a cliche, but it really works in the context of this race specifically because- It really fits. When arena notices that the Delta Flyer isn't going to win, she's freaked out. It changes her mood completely, and this is when Harry Kim kind of puts it together, that there's something wrong with the Delta Flyer that when it gets to the finish line, it is going to take out everybody that is there waiting for the ships to come in.
Starting point is 01:00:32 And he realizes that the fuel converter is a bomb and she is like a zealot who is super xenophobic and is trying to end this peace agreement that has been put in place. Is there a moment you think for Harry Kim when he's like, God, she's so hot though. Could I live with this? Yeah. I wonder if I could still hit it. Could I smash a zealot? It'd probably be super hot, like crazy, right?
Starting point is 01:01:07 Rooting Jolie on it! It would be an interesting challenge for a stickman as legendary as Harry Kim. Yeah. To do it with an alien who's like, main thing in life is how much she hates aliens. I know. Yeah. That's a turn-off. who's like main thing in life is how much she hates aliens. I know. Yeah. That's a turn-off. You got to overcome a lot to get in those stretchy, stretchy pants.
Starting point is 01:01:33 I really admired the work that B-Dunks and Roxanne doesn't had to do in a scene that involves a bomb that never ever shows the bomb. There's no red light beeping faster, there's no countdown, there's no even sound of a growing hum that's building to what could be an explosion. It's all on them, this pressure. The scene where they're kissing and getting ready
Starting point is 01:02:02 to get down in the Delta flyer instead of finish the race. And then they get the Morse code. I mean, it's like, it's like intense. Like when they're kissing and like really kind of like taking an intimate moment slow and you're like, shut up. There's a bomb. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:18 And there's a proposal here and a banger during the proposal. Yeah. It's wild. It's great stuff. Harry Kim is more scoding, a warning to them that they have to eject the warp core. And they have to do that thing that Batman did, the end of Dark Knight Rises,
Starting point is 01:02:36 where they fly it off somewhere pretty far away so that it doesn't take out everybody in the quadrant or whatever. Great scene. Yeah, they drop it off in a nebula, presumably murdering an intelligent nebula. It throws shit all over the white parts of their uniform. Yeah, that's why they can't use these uniforms all the time.
Starting point is 01:02:56 Yeah, it's really sad. Yeah. Back on Voyager, a son finishes the race first. God damn it. God fucking damn it. You knew it was gonna, a son finishes the race first. God damn it. God fucking damn it. You knew it was gonna be a son. And then there's a banger felt in the mess all. That's where Janeway is, kind of watching the finish line.
Starting point is 01:03:14 Pretty good seats there. Yeah. So she bugs out of there pretty fast when they feel the banger. So we cut over to the Delta flyer and BLT in Paris are alive. Yeah, they made it. Good for them. Their uniforms not. But this question remains though. Yeah, who's going to take who's last name?
Starting point is 01:03:32 Yeah. Will they send their single lives to Stovacore? Mm-hmm. She never said yes. This is a fraught moment. Yeah, he says that he might have to start begging and they kiss, but that's not yes. Not yes. Not yes.
Starting point is 01:03:52 And then, like, they're just married. Like, they're married off-screen. We don't even get to see them, like, you know, talking about killing the Klingon gods or, you know, they do the whole Kitten Kaboodle the way Warfin Jadziah did or... I need to skip to this part, Ben. Did you like this episode? You know, I'm really easy to get along with most of the time, but I don't like bullets, I don't like friends, and I don't like you. I'm a real superstar. I helped very ripped off at the end. Like I wanted the completion of the moment.
Starting point is 01:04:30 I wanted to see them exchange the vows. I wanted, you know, LaWox on a Troy to show up naked. I wanted something. When you make Star Trek, the first duty is to both please that booty and it's to the truth. But the second duty is you got to depict the ceremony. You got to put on the dress uniforms. You got to see all the pump, the pump and the circumstance. You have to have the captain say the thing about it's the happy privilege of captains since the age of sale.
Starting point is 01:05:07 You got to see the weird food in the mess hall. You got to see it all. Do you think the reason is that we don't see it is because we saw that that alternate version not that long ago? Oh, cause yeah, the silver goo people. Did they think that was enough for us? And it would be too much of a retread? Yeah, maybe. I don't know. I don't know. Felt weird to just, like, cut around it
Starting point is 01:05:31 to the, to the after-roards part, though. Also, if what they wanted was a holodeck weekend or whatever, is there Delta Flyer ride with the barrels dragon behind them and the just married written on the on the windscreen? Like, is that on the holodeck? Ha ha ha ha ha.
Starting point is 01:05:54 Have I been accepted here? I don't know. Like are there pleasure planets in the Delta quadrant that they could be going to for their vacation? This seems like the absolute worst place to honeymoon on the Delta flyer. Yeah. What are they going to do? Pull out that mord bed in the back and do it. I don't know. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:06:16 Keeps things interesting. Maybe interesting isn't enough for me. I did not like the end of this episode. I liked everything else. I thought it was a really cool episode aside from that. The technology that they now have to do a, you know, an entire starship race is so cool and so different from anything that they've done before.
Starting point is 01:06:38 The kind of terms of the adventure were so cool and different from kinds of adventures that Star Trek has done before. It really opened up the universe in this way. Yeah, so yeah, I really liked it. Yeah, I just got to show me the wedding. Show the finger going in to the ring. Yeah, that's it I want to see.
Starting point is 01:07:04 Well, do you want to see. Well, do you want to see if there's any priority one messages in the inbox out? Ben, I'm going in to that. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. I need a supplement on that. supplement on that? supplement. supplement.
Starting point is 01:07:22 Yeah, it's extra. The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship. Beginning with our first priority, one message been it's a promotional message. And that goes like this. OK. Greetings from Colleen. Saskadrop.
Starting point is 01:07:36 That my Saskad. She a real bad bitch. Up a jar and prune it with a card asking physiology. She wouldn't do something like this. This is what I can call bad kids. And Jason, Rolleranthrop. At Boss Metery, we make mead in Wisconsin. Whoa!
Starting point is 01:08:01 We sent you a code 47. Now we are throwing some scarves at you. We make the world's oldest fermented beverage in the most modern possible way. Whoa! These are dry and sparkling needs, using local honey and regional ingredients. You've heard of farm to table eating? This is field to glass drinking. Makes a great gift or pairs nicely with your holiday season. So here's the mess of Ben.
Starting point is 01:08:30 We're asking all the FODs in Wisconsin who want to try this tasty meat to head to bossmetery.com, that's B-O-S-M-E-A-D-E-R-Y.com. Or find their Facebook page to find one of the many retailers in Wisconsin that sells boss meat. Dang. I gotta get my ass over to the post office. It sounds like there's some meat in there for us. Got to.
Starting point is 01:08:58 Meat is so great for these cold weather months. Really warms the town. We were just at a hotel at one of our recent tour stops that said that they had a like a nightcap service of meat and whiskey available in the lobby from you know for certain hours and we didn't get to participate in that because we had a show during those hours but I wanted to try that meat. You know I really love meat but You know, I really love meat, but you know what I would have preferred at that hotel?
Starting point is 01:09:27 Working Wi-Fi. Ha ha ha ha. Yeah, I would have really loved anything to eat when we got back from our show. Anything at all. There was no mini bar, there was no room service, there was nothing. Nothing within 10 blocks of us, too. Yeah, that was a tough one. Yeah, no pizza places, there was nothing. Nothing within 10 blocks of us too.
Starting point is 01:09:45 Yeah, that was a tough one. Yeah, no pizza places open, fucking suck. To bed with a stomach full of dry roasted wasabi edamamis. That was it. Wouldn't you have rather gone to bed with a belly full of meat? Boss meatery could have made it happen. If you're in Wisconsin, check it out. That sounds great. Well, our second priority one message here a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal,
Starting point is 01:10:12 a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, a meal, season 6 episode 25 and well got a little worried when Ben and Adam repeatedly stated how podcasting is ruining their financial lives. So here's some scarves to hopefully lessen the burden of making this amazing pod which has been a huge part of my life since shoot 2016. What a trip! Love you guys, Vamos Chaco. Hey that's really nice, Wami G.
Starting point is 01:10:43 Thank you, WamiIG. Thanks for putting something in the jar there. Yeah, we definitely haven't had the financial year we were hoping for. Put it that way, but I think things are looking up for next year and we really appreciate anybody that supports in any way that they can. And one of those ways is to get a P1 by going to maximumfund.org slash gembooktrun. Hey Ben. What's that Adam? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? Incredible.
Starting point is 01:11:12 Drunk Shimoda! I'm gonna give it to him for the kind of silly persistence that he had or the rena. You gotta kind of give a Shimoda to a dude who waits out a copilot until he's literally synched within an inch of his life and is in the hospital. To make a move, she felt like Kim was not reading the room with a rena. So he is my shremota for this one. How about you?
Starting point is 01:11:40 I mean, that's kind of a quality of Harry Kim. It's not quite reading the room right. I'm going to go with the doctor. I mean, that's kind of a quality of Harry Kim. Just not quite reading the room right. I'm gonna go with the doctor. I think I was just delighted by the depiction of a golfer on Star Trek for as weird as it was. Maybe we'll see him on the course, that'd be fun. That would be tremendous.
Starting point is 01:11:58 I don't know what that would look like in this context, but yeah, weird hobby for him. He says like, it's something that doctors do. Uh-huh. I guess that's true. That's fun. Yeah, I'm gonna make the doctor my Shimoda. Dr. golfer. I like it. What do we have coming up on the next episode, Ben? Adam, the next episode is season 7 episode 4 episode is season seven, episode four, repression. Tuvac's investigation of a series of mysterious attacks aboard Voyager leads him to a most unlikely suspect.
Starting point is 01:12:33 So it was unlikely suspect, Colin, himself. That would be most unlikely, wouldn't it? It would be, do you Yeah. Wouldn't it? It would be. Do you think when TuVoc looked at Arina's ears, he was like, oh man, that's sick. He's got like twice as many points as I do. How many Q-tips do you think it would take? Get to the bottom of those.
Starting point is 01:13:00 Who knows? Well, in order to find out in what way we will be doing that episode, I think you need to head over to God.bizslashgame. Ben, I see that our runabout is pulsing gently on Square 27 on the doorstep of a naked now episode. An episode, I'm really to avoid. My least favorite episodes of all time are ones from which I must broadcast in a bathtub. It's not because I don't like baths, I just don't want to do a bathtub show. It's just me. It's just what I don't like.
Starting point is 01:13:39 Call me crazy. You're required to learn as you play. Roll. The game doesn't care what you do and do not like Just to be clear here's the roll Rolled it to you Hopped it hopped it to square 29 wow safe. That's like twice as much as you usually roll. Yeah Yeah, I feel really good about that. Good and relieved. Mostly relieved, I'd say. All right. That we
Starting point is 01:14:14 get to do a regular old episode next week. The best kind that we do, I'd say. You're the only one. All right, Adam. Well, we got some people to thank here at the end of the episode. I want to thank all of the friends of the Soto who support us at MaximumFun.org slash join. Hey, it's a holiday season. You could also support us by going to Pod Shopped Up Biz and buying some gifts for the friends of the Soto in your life. Got all kinds of great stuff on there now. So many new things. It's hard to list them all out. I don't even know what my favorite would be. So many new things. It's hard to list them all out. I don't even know what my favorite would be. That mousepad's back.
Starting point is 01:14:47 That's special. Yeah. I really like all the Shimoda merch, and we just did some new DeSoto merch and the style of friends. How about the Brinner Information Systems stuff? That's brand new. That's great.
Starting point is 01:15:02 So much cool stuff on there. Yeah, you need a work shirt that is kind of code for I'm a friend of DeSoto. Not just stuff a brand new information system's pull up. You can get a like a Columbia fleece jacket like real like the brand name Columbia and then the Uxbridge Shimoda logo on the breast and broidered on there. Hey in these cold months could your head use a took?
Starting point is 01:15:29 Actually, a took is something different, right? Are all hats tooks? I think what we call a beanie cap, the Canadians call a took. Hey, there you go. We got one of those. Yeah. In the store? At this moment, we might even have a couple.
Starting point is 01:15:43 Yeah, so get your butt over there, get some nice gifts, get yourself some nice gifts, why don't you? Yeah, hot shop that is. That's where you do that. I got to thank Wendy Pretty, the producer and editor of this program. Thanks Wendy, you're the best. Got to thank Bill Tilly, the card daddy who runs the At Greatest Trek social media accounts over there on all the internet. Hey, join a friend of Disoto community near you. We've got drunksremota.com, Discord group,
Starting point is 01:16:14 we've got the greatest Jen subreddit, greatest Jen group on Facebook, which has probably spawned 250,000 different subgroups, whether you're into like polyamory or cooking or having a pet. There's a greatest chance subgroup for you. What's your Peloton thing? You just do hashtag greatest gen on Peloton? Hashtag Jim Shimoda. Oh, hashtag Jim Shimoda, of course.
Starting point is 01:16:41 Join the hundreds of Peloton riders over there, riding on that hashtag or lifting weights on that hashtag, or doing yoga on the hashtag, doing all those things. Great. How do you lift weights with a Peloton, you just lift the bike up? Is it pretty heavy? I'd love that.
Starting point is 01:16:59 No, there's like gym programs and stuff in there. Oh. You just work out to a trainer telling you what to do. It's great. That's fun. Well, all of those are great communities to be a part of and encourage it. Yeah, these can be lonely months for some folks.
Starting point is 01:17:18 Just want you to know you don't have to be. Lots of friends of DeSoto out there, ready to welcome you with open arms. And in the case of the armless friend of DeSoto community, just ready to welcome you, period. We gotta thank Adam Ragusia. We made our original theme music and dark material. He made the original Picard song.
Starting point is 01:17:38 Thank you too. And with that, we're gonna be back at you next week with our 500th episode. Literally. What? Yeah, crazy. Amazing. That's exciting. Banana cakes.
Starting point is 01:17:53 Banana pancakes. Mmm. Delicious. Let's go get some banana pancakes. Mmm. Yeah, banana pancake power hour, our 500th episode. It's hoot it. Make it so.
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