The Greatest Generation - Cro-Magmolly (DS9 S6E24)

Episode Date: July 27, 2020

When Molly O’Brien falls in Ghostbusters 2 goo, she grows up real quick. But when Miles and Keiko can’t convince her to share her toys, they’ll have to let her fly free to show their love. When your civilization dies out, what’s the etiquette about turning off all your technology? What kinds of cereals were available three hundred years in the past? Can Odo shoot? It’s the episode where, for good measure, we sit on this. Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Prophets! Support the production of The Greatest Generation. Music by Adam Ragusea & Dark Materia  Follow The Greatest Generation on Twitter, and discuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen! Facebook group | Subreddit | Wiki Sign up for our mailing list!

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I've been Harrison. I'm Adam Pryanaka. We hit a square, Adam. We hit a square on our last dice roll. I believe that was your dice roll, so this is your fault. I feel like all the bad things that happen on the game of Buttholesville, the profits are my fault. I feel like they're my roles.

Really? You know, for a fan community so interested in doing statistical analysis of our shows, no one, I'm grateful for this. No one is trying to send us the metrics on whose fault things are. Yeah. Because I think that would be hurtful. I think that would drive a wedge between us, right?

I will occasionally click on a tweet or a Reddit thing or something and find somebody saying something about Adam's the funny one or, you know you know bends the better impressionist or something like that. That's mean! The internet makes it so easy to just say whatever you want without thinking about it. You just don't know. You don't know how things are going to come across. I try very hard not to look at any of that stuff, but trust me, I have no self control. I look. So assume whatever you're writing, I'm going to see it for better or worse. Uh oh, I'm going to have to go, I'm going to have to go back through my reddit post and my tweets now.

Yeah, you spend a lot of time using your tweets to drag me, King. Yeah, so my bad dice roll has meant that we landed on a measure-home-an-up episode. Teleport for the war. It brings a sense of order and stability to my universe to know that you're still a pompous ass. Port from is a crucible and if we burn away irrelevance to where we are left enough fuel or product, that's true. When people of good conscience have an honest dispute, we must still sometimes resort to this kind of adversarial system.

Hopefully we can make some good law out here. And for good measure, sit on this. It's one of the classic game of butthole squares. It's where we flip a coin before we do the show to decide which side of the, it's sort of like count point or count from the Kentucky Fried movie. And it's the classic debate show where you take one side

and I take the other. It's the episode that's in honor of Philip Alouvois, who asked one member of the TNG crew to argue the pro and the other to argue the con. It's right. Like any big game, we have a special coin to flip to determine who will be taking the pro and who will be taking the conide as we discuss this episode. And for that, Ben, I've got our most recent greatest challenge coin. It's the friend of DeSoto, fan of special conscience coin.

It's one of our best pieces of work here. Adam, do you have a slip of paper or something? Because I thought it might be fun for us before we flip the coin to write the side we would prefer to be on down, like fold it up, hide it, and then at the end of the episode reveal whether we got what we wanted or not. It's a great idea.

I've got a note pad right here. Okay, great. So, we're writing down pro or con or just did you like or did you not like? I'm saying like in your heart, what do you hope the coin tells you to do? Because it's going to tell one of us to argue vehemently in the face. That's a very different question than how you really feel. Okay, write down a plus or a minus, I would say. Okay, so plus is I wish I was pro, minus is I wish I was con.

It's possible we both write down the same symbol here. It is. You're writing a lot. This is like that moment on Jeopardy when someone is just writing and writing and writing during final. You're like, what are they writing? I'm drawing a dick, but it will only be revealed when it's asked how much I've wagered. Yeah.

So here's the thing. I will say that heads is positive. It's the pro side, and our greatest generation logo is the concept. Okay. And so I'm gonna be flipping for you. Okay. So there's no shenanigans.

You're watching me too. You've got the video feed on. Here we go. Pfft. It actually rolled under the guest room bed. I've gotta go get it. Pfft. This is going great. Adam is now on the floor of the guest room slash podcast studio.

All right, Ben, I picked it up and I haven't looked at it. I've sort of clam-shailed it between my hands. I'm going to take the upper clam-shale hand off. All right. I'm going to tell you what I see. Lay it on me, baby. All right, your job, this episode is to argue for the pro. Okay.

There's Kevin Huxbridge there. I am officially pro times orphan. The one of the best episodes of Star Trek ever made. Kevin Huxbridge, known for being the most positive alien we've ever run into, just a man who's just bubbly with pleasure. Really a man enjoying his life and everything about it. A man so overcome with positivity that he turns into a being of pure energy. The thing I didn't get to tell you was, you're just so happy I am.

I'm a well-women man. I've been trained to tell you that from the start. And for sure, it's great to know, but I'm an extravert. I wanted to hang out with other people. Do you know how hard this has been? Some could say that I loved the Hoosnack too much. The thing that I detested about the Hoosnack most was just how negative they were.

About everything. Huge bummers, the Hoosnack were. I tried to fix that by hugging all of them, but I heard them so hard. I had no idea what I was doing. I really lanyd the Hushnack. Okay, well, do you want to get into Time's Orphan Season 6, episode 24? I wish we weren't, Ben, one of the worst episodes, I would say. Wow, wow, already in character. What, what was wondering who the hell Miles was waking up with.

I thought, you know, for a moment I was like, finally he's moving on. I don't remember whatever happened to Keko, but this is healthy. He definitely has a type if that's not Keko. No, but it was a breath of fresh. Mr. O'Brien. I am. I was very happy to read your five star review. F.B. K. Go Dole. Nice to have her back. Nice to have Molly back.

I like, I nearly forgot about uh, Kira Yoshi. Uh, so did I. Like totally came as a pleasant, delightful surprise. They're back on the station because the war has presumably died down somewhat. They've reopened Deep Space Nine. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I don't know, but it feels like they're reopening early.

Yeah, it could be dangerous it could be dangerous to, to go out just yet, but yeah, I mean, like this is an episode about optimism for the future, I suppose. So which I'm all about. Right. I don't know. I mean, it would have been, here's the reason why we forgot about Kiko. It's because Miles never mentions her in the, what, like, 20 previous episodes that she's been gone. I mean, I guess he mentions Kiko in that episode where he goes undercover with the mobsters, right?

I have a girlfriend. He's been faithful to Kiko despite lots of opportunities, not to me. You get no credit for doing the right thing. Ben, yeah. Ben, yeah. He never do. He's having that experience with Molly that I have every time I see my brother-in-law's new puppy, which is like, I cannot believe this is the same dog. It is double the size as last time I said.

Molly's growing up. I believe him when she's grown since I saw her last. Like who's talking? She has not grown up to the extent that she knows not to just enter her parents' bedroom. Unannounced. She could have seen the haggis, unexpectedly. Yeah. Fortunately, she has spared that mental image that would have been with her for the rest of her life.

And she's very excited because it's picnic day. Oh, wow, we better get going then. Keko packs a picnic with no hog though because she has encouraged miles to go on a diet and pretty damaging kind of, I mean, she kind of body, James, Miles O'Brien here. That's nice.

I know, but they're a married couple. She loves him. She wants him to be healthy. You're arguing that she's doing this from a place of positivity, like she wants him to be better by rubbing circles around his rotund belly and saying you've really gained a few while I've been gone. That would never work in the other direction, Ben.

I agree. I think, you know, some of these things are, you know, this shows a product of its time. I also think that like there are, there are fewer like cultural valences attendants to it when it goes the other way, you know? Yeah. This picnic trip, this picnic trip to Galana Seems like a thing that would happen all the time if you're a starfleet, right? Like this is a day a day of trip, right? Like they get on the shuttle and

Fly there for presumably lunch that day So if the Galana for I would disclose Yeah, it's inside the the pejorant system for sure. Galana 4 looks awesome. I don't know if this was my feed or what, but I found the resolution of the planet really pixelated and bad. Am I having internet problems? Yeah, I think you have an internet problems. Okay. all right.

Well, I didn't think the episode was as crystal clear as it usually is. So maybe... And I'm trying to do that. Try criticizing the episode on its merits as a story maybe, and not the way the transfer went when the film footage went to the digital transfer house. Maybe I should unplug and re-plug in my router while we're doing the show.

This is sort of clear things out. You want to pull a Roderick? Yeah. This is a thing I would do all the time, Ben. The day trip to a planet just to picnic there. Yeah. And the planet looks every bit like the Malibu outdoor place that we've gotten dozens of times before. It's beautiful. It's a verdant pasture with trees on the hillsides and there's entrance to some star

trick caves nearby. They're having a great time. O'Brien is on the picnic blanket and he's making promises. He's making promises about never again sending his family away if things get dangerous. Kiko's like, how can you make a promise like that? And Miles O'Brien's like, well, because if the war pops up again, I'm asking for a transfer.

What? You can do that. I wonder how that works. Like, we've talked a lot about what life might be like in the parts of the Federation that are not starfleet. When you're at war, do they conscript soldiers in the Federation? Or is it an all-volunteer army fighting the Gemhadar? I mean, this is an interesting question, right? If you were to consider the consequences of that on board something like a ship full of

families, for example, a galaxy-class starship, I mean, imagine what would happen if the big D were engaged in a battle and all of a sudden much of his crew decided that, you know, maybe this is too dangerous for families and I'd like off this ship. Separating the saucer is the requesting a transfer of galaxy-class life. You know, we referred to statisticians in our audience before. I would like to know the ratio of battles the Enterprise got in to times they separated the saucer. I don't think they took advantage of that ability like they could have. Yeah, I mean, that's something that we talked about a lot when we were reviewing TNG. It'd be cool if there was a part of the space station

that came off and flew away. They, like, in reality, in quote unquote reality, they would have separated the saucer so much that the locking mechanism that holds the saucer on, like they would have been worn. Like, you couldn't make a good seal after a certain amount of time between the saucer and the star drive.

Yeah, it gets a little bit loose and then you have to have a locksmith come out and rejigger it. Even like credentials or a license to be locksmith that you could just show us. No, the only thing you need to be locksmith, you gotta want. Molly runs off, she's playing around.

Yoshi is being cute and distracting mom and dad. So they are caught unaware as when Molly starts calling out for help. Molly? And it turns out that she has gone into these Star Trek caves, classic blunder, and is literally hanging by her fingertips on the edge of a pit. And, you know, Miles reaches out to try and pull her up and she slips and he watches her fall into like Ghostbusters goo. If you like the first set piece in the movie Cliffhanger, I bet you love this cold open. And I did. I loved Cliff Hanger.

Nothing wrong with that movie. Wouldn't kick that movie out of bed. But I think my problem with the scene is everything about how Molly ended up hanging on the side of the cliff by her fingertips. What happened? Was she doing cartwheels all the way

into the cave? I think we can only assume that she was doing cartwheels into the cave. Go to Kotlin. The Kotlin. Go to Kotlin. So the Bay Joer sector item is Lausie with Time Travel devices. We know this. Yeah.

This is well-established truth about Bay Joer. People are time travel in there all the time. And it's no surprise that one of the outlying planets would also have a time travel device It's a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very This would be so irritating if I were like an ancient bejorin or an Iaconian or something like you got to turn it off before you leave. Yeah, last one out shuts the lights. Come on. If your civilization is dying off, do everyone a favor. You know what? People are going to make assumptions about how wasteful we are. Someone left the thermostat on for 3,000 years. Hahaha. Look at this bill.

Who's gonna pay this? Hahaha. Yeah. Yeah, and this is how accident happened. You leave on the time portal and it's dangerous for anyone that follows. It's a great start to a great episode because the, what could be more motivating

for a character than the loss of a child. Oh yeah, it's one of the reasons why you see so many episodes about the loss of children in Star Trek. Just a rich tapestry of feelings and challenges for our favorite characters. And such an evocative setup too, because it's a technical problem, and the chief can throw his great technical prowess into trying to save his daughter. I look, this scene is hilarious to me because we basically cut to Starfleet's

just swarming this thing, and everyone's talking and hushed voices, like Kira and Dex are like, so what exactly happened? DAX is like you know that you know the story Kirin, Kronatown particles. It's some sort of time portal Idiot Everyone knows that and then weirdly it cuts to the bridge of the enterprise E Yeah

Yeah, and the reason they're keeping their voices down is because O'Brien has been there the whole time. Like he's working the problem too, and so is Keko, like with a babe in arms, is down there. And that's a dangerous spot because like stuff is exploding all around them. Miles does not have his mind totally on his work because stuff is exploding that he's turning wrenches on. Did you think that those glowing spheres that he was messing with were the power sources that were left behind by the ancient civilization? It feels like there is a break in the continuity because we were just in this cave. We saw what the gate looked like.

And now it doesn't look anything at all like what we saw before. What are you talking about? It's a trapezoidal stargate, Adam. I just mean it's location in the cave. I don't know. It looked a little weird to me. And it's light enough to move.

That's fun. We could just see where a couple of crew people like get a shoulder under it and start moving it around. I would be really worried that this 300 year old thing would break. where a couple of crew people like get a shoulder under it and start moving it around. I would be really worried that this 300 year old thing would break if I started to move it around. Right. The plan is pretty ingenious though. There's, you know, if they can turn this thing back on,

it's going to be a portal to the same time and place. So, presuming that that is possible, they can just shoot a transporter beam through it, looking for Molly's DNA signature, and they'll be able to pull her out. Easy is that. There's a lot that needs to be fixed, a lot that needs to be calibrated, and this gives Miles and Kiko an opportunity to have a little conversation, which I thought was crucial for kind of setting the tone of how terrible this is for them.

Like what a panicked, a sustained panic they've been in for hours. Miles, I'm getting scared. You've been at it all day. Try to imagine like the grocery store that you've lost your child in spans not only space but time Like she's in the cereal aisle 300 years ago I mean you could ask the manager to put a call out on the PA, but I mean, that's not gonna help. I'm sorry, ma'am, the PA system only works in the now time. A good afternoon, chef-ers.

B.J. Mout is offering a special on a spread in I-07. 300 years in the past. Sorry, mistake. We also get a scene where Kira has taken Kira Yoshi up to the little D, and this is kind of... there's a big B story about Dax and Warf looking after Kira Yoshi for the rest of the episode, and the scene almost is... you know, it complicates that fact because Kira is sort of Kira Yoshi's second mom. Right. You know, like they have a really strong connection. And the scene is mainly there to kind of pose the question of like, what are you looking

for long term between the new couple of Kira and Oda? This moment goes totally uninterrogated for the rest of the episode, because when we cut back to Oda's face after Kira's like, I think I might want to have one of my own someday. It's totally like bomb. And Oda's like, if you want a child so much, look down at my leg.

There, now it's a baby. I wondered like does Odo, because I think that you can interpret that one of a couple of ways, like is Odo wondering in that moment, like, can I even do that with her? Or does he know already? Can Odo shoot? I don't know. I mean, if, if a, you know, if a cling on and a human can make a baby,

it seems like a lot of things are possible. Do you think when Odo was briefly corporeal? Like, he, uh, he shot some samples into some? I made a couple of deposits in the sperm bank on the station, setting it aside for such time as... What would his genetic structure be? Because his face didn't change. Like his genetics must be really strange, right?

You know, I made that mistake only once. What? We reached into my refrigerator and never again. You'll have to forgive me, Odio. Of course, it was the same color as you are when you revert to your gelatinous state. Who could sue me for making the mistake that I made? Assuming it was a different bodily substance. You'll be happy to know that I did not swallow. I spat it back. There is some

concern that my DNA is now mixed in there. How fucking magical would it be if that is called back and Odo is like, yeah, banked it. Ready when you are, Kira. Get out the turkey, Baster. Daddy's ready to go. Yeah, but instead this is just a shot river shot, B story element. And Ben, like this entire B story I read was shot after the fact. They shot, they intended for this to be just a story bottle episode and they came up like nine minute short or something

and they shot the entire B story after the fact. Wow. Isn't that nuts? Now that is excellent filmmaking. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. That's the thing.

Like that's, it's, I believe it, but also it's unbelievable. Like there is a math that you do when you're writing a script that draws an equivalency between pages and minutes and this is a show that's done it for almost seven seasons, 26 episodes a piece or whatever. You would think that they would have that dialed in. I'm shocked that they missed the target that wide. Amazing. That's amazing.

Well, maybe they missed the target by like three minutes, but there was also like a six minute scene of O'Brien like working out and like trying to like do a plant-based diet to impress his wife. Right. Yeah. You know what? Yeah, take out all the wharf stuff.

Give me the o'Brien getting ripped montage. I lost a bunch of weight last year and my wife wishes I would put it back on. That's cool. That's great. I wish you would start smoking again, Ben. I liked your voice the other way. Could you go back to drinking a lot of beer?

If you'd quite honest about it, that was an appere, a fucking appere. Mr. Bucket, I have to revert back to my bed state. Oh, I don't use the bucket anymore. I think we should call this what it is. This is a time travel episode. Yeah. to call this what it is, this is a time travel episode. And I was begging for them to scan the planet for her remains, for Molly's remains. Why didn't we do that?

Or like find archeological evidence of her. There's a moment where they're like, okay, Odo, go do the research with the archives to see what the gate is. And I fully expect it Odo to come back with a skull and be like, here she is. I'm sorry, chief. I mean, like you could do that

and it would still all work, right? Because the mechanics of the time travel, unlike our most recent, curatime travel episode are like very well defined in this episode, but only at the end, right? Is it too much like finding data's head in San Francisco? Like, would it be too derivative of that? I don't think so.

I don't know. But yeah, they reactivate the Stargate, temporal field, reestablished they they activate the transporter beam they get the lock and a Cave girl basically Materializes on the platform. This is Molly at age 18 Has and she is totally gone feral. She's crow mag Molly See how can you be against this episode, Adam? One of the very first movies I've ever watched as a film studies major was Truffaut's The

Wild Child. Did you ever see that movie? I did not. Got real wild child vibes from this one. So things do not go well when Crow Magmolly materializes on the pad. She is not gentle with anyone during the reunion. She goes right in for a bite of O'Brien's forearm. Sets the tone.

She's like nonverbal. She has lost her civilization, as it were. And so we cut up to six Bay on the little D and the doctor starts to explain. There's not really like a playbook for this because your daughter has spent the last 10 years of her life subjectively in a total wilderness like having to survive with only her wits.

In France, she would be called Lara Nard, and she would be hunted with only her cunning to protect her. And no human stimulation to cultivate her linguistic skills or anything else. So this is gonna be a process. You've got, you've suddenly got an 18 year old daughter who needs to be brought up to speed on the 24th century. And that's just the burden you're going to have to bear as her parents.

This was my favorite thought experiment in the episode happens here, where cake goes like, well, cool, let's send her back through the portal and then retrieve eight year old Molly again. Like, this one's a, this one's a dead. Like, what's the problem with that? And Bashir says, if you do that, you effectively kill 18-year-old Molly. And in that moment, I was like, what's the difference? It's such an interesting argument of temporal morality that I wish we lived in this argument a little bit longer

because to argue either side of this I think would have been a fascinating exercise. Like, like, are you really killing a future person by restoring them to their past? Aren't they exactly the same person? Are you giving additional value to an older person versus a younger person? And why, if you are, like so many questions. Yeah, I think that if you wanna see those questions asked and answered, you're gonna wanna watch the two-vix episode of Star Trek Voyager.

Oh, the classic two-vix episode that everyone loves. Yeah, that one. We should do that episode next. Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. Anyway, I was... People would fucking carry us out of town on a rail if we just did the two of episodes next. Hey man, it doesn't take much anymore. So I was on Team Keko here, and I remained on Team Keko throughout.

They should have shoved her back through the portal. I mean, I think that in the episode's defense, the idea that she has gained 10 years of life experience is pretty compelling. And Kako is asking for them to erase the person that that happened to so that she can have the person that happened to, so that she can have the person that she wants back. And I think that there is like a questionable morality

to that. Yeah, but Dr. Peshir doesn't feel issues of questionable morality. He lobotomized Kern, and he didn't lose a wink of sleep over it. Well, maybe he's trying to be a better man now, Adam. Do you ever consider that? If you had only sent me through a pejorin, time portal, I could have avoided the lobotomy that came later.

Think of a person who would be better suited to live on a deserted planet 300 years in the past. I'll wait. Name a more iconic duo than Kern on a deserted planet. Yeah man that'd be super fun. Also like who knows more about being de-evolved on the station than Worf? They should have involved Worf right here and now. Like if someone's gonna, if someone knows what it's like to adjust to both de-evolving and then evolving again,

he's been through it all. Re-evolving. Yeah. Yeah. I bring up Worf because he is the B story. He and Dax are on babysitting duty for young Yoshi and Wurf comes home and it's like time for DAX to do work and Wurf's like well, I can watch Yoshi it's cool and DAX is like

You're not exactly great with kids and then for some reason Wurf uses Alexander as an example of how great he is at being a father I don't think that example means what you think it means Worf. I raise Alexander. That's different. I think that in Worf's defense, he tried very hard with Alexander. Nobody tried harder with Alexander than Worf. No, I mean, that's true. We can agree on that.

No one tried harder than Worf. Worf didn't try that hard. I'll concede that one point, okay. They've turned the cargo bay into a kind of hamster pen where like there's a log and a big rock and a giant water bottle for the feral molly to interact with and and climb all around on. Put them in a man's jaw with a stick and a leaf to recreate what it's used to. Glad they had the cargo space for this.

The Enterprise D had an Arbor item. The Deep Space 9 Space Station has a cargo item. They also combed and flat ironeded Molly's hair, which is nice. Yeah, she got she got styled while she was asleep, apparently, and made up. She wakes up amidst a lot of artifice. She sees this rock and it and you know, reaches out and touches it. And you can just see this is a fake rock wash over her face and then she looks up and her parents are there

Chief O'Brien and Keko are standing there, you know doing the like we're not gonna hurt you but standing at a distance thing and And they've brought her some millet. This is I guess a type of fruit that is native to Galana, which is where she was marooned. Molly looks down and she's like, why are my legs shaved? There was a moment where she looks at her own arms and it made me wonder if what she was processing was that she was clean. Did you get that? Like, and how strange that had to be? Yeah.

Yeah, I think that there's a lot of really great subtle stuff like that in this episode. I think the actor who plays Older Molly does a really good job, but like, I think the trap here is like, you could really nail this one up in a way that like, doesn't work and I think she she pulls back from going the full nail with it.

Yeah, this is Michelle Cruziac who's an actor who is still working. She's in the she's in that show Hollywood on Netflix. Whoa, no way. That's great. Yeah. She's, she's in four episodes of that. I always like clicking on an actor's official website. The official websites for actors are always so fun. They're made with like whatever the equivalent of square space was like in 1998. Yeah. Yeah, that's it exactly. But they're still like figuring out ways to like embed YouTube clips and stuff. I would say 9 out of 10 actors websites, you still see like digging gif. Yeah, appearances. And then like that part is like under construction and has been for the last six years, right?

I'm not be gone. I'm not be gone. I'm not be gone. Exactly. They approach her like the feral person she is, like a person who has only moments ago, bitten Miles O'Brien in the arm. I think they're using a fair amount of caution here. But what they have is a dolly for her, this dolly that she should recognize and does. I mean, I think you make a great point, right? Like the feralness of her is something that they had to decide at some point. Like is she going to be semi-verbal? Is she going to have her mind arrested at eight years old?

Is this dolly going to mean the same thing to her now or not? Are all like interesting questions? And I wonder like how you even research an episode like this, if there's like source material you can lean on. I mean, it was my understanding that they did do that research and actually worked with child psychologists

to get it right. Wow. Which is surprising, given the track record of a show that chooses to be interested in the, I mean, which is surprising, given the track record of a show that, you know, chooses to be interested in the, in the reality of, of moments like to sort of, you know, when it suits them. Right.

I hope they didn't, I hope their child psychologist expert wasn't the same expert that they had to consult on Native American portrayals in Star Trek Voyager. Yeah, for example, where are the case workers at this point was a question I had? Because, I mean, the doctor isn't around, the doctor just sort of trusts that miles and cake are gonna take care of this one. And I love that about the episode,

that they are parents that believe in their, in their ability to reconnect with, with this child. They don't want some pencil neck telling them what to do. They want to, they want to do this themselves. They want to do the hard work. You know what I said? That's what's good about this episode, Adam.

This, this is a show that chooses to, to hurt Miles O'Brien so often. This is a show that chooses to hurt Miles O'Brien so often. This is a ball. Ballocks! You know, I wonder if one of the ways they considered and then scrapped as a way to do that was to present the idea that, you know, how much could an 8-year-old Molly recognize her father anyway? With how rarely she sees him? And like, I could laugh about that too, Ben, but also, like in an episode like this, like how hurtful would it be for her to start to recognize Keko first and not miles

because of the choices that Miles made in the years and seasons leading up to this moment. Like the aspect of Miles O'Brien being a regretful absentee father who made choices, for their protection, it cuts both ways, right? Like these are reasonable choices that he's made, but they have consequences too,

and that could have been one of them. Yeah, I mean, I think that that's like an interesting story to tell. The, the like, pain of seeing a good faith decision you made turned against you would be tough, but, uh, but that's not the, that's not the story that they're trying to tell here. It always is, Ben. Molly is making a kind of ball pit for her dolly. One way, she's just not getting it. She's not good at sharing.

If, I mean, Keko was a primary school teacher. I feel like Molly's grades at this point need improvement. Molly is like my character in Skyrim. Like it takes very long to get across the overworld because she's collected too many items and can't bring herself to give any of them up. Yeah. Brief interstitial here between decks and whurf, which doesn't really matter, does it?

Wurf is night nursing Yoshi. Yoshi's crying late at night, and Wurf is the one that's staying up. It's great. It's modeling, being an active participant in the rearing of a child for men who need that. I have pulled Yoshi to my booze. And yet he does not sleep. He feels judged by dax. And this is a thing that I feel like is familiar to you and me Ben, which is like you are fighting a battle in your mind with a person you're close

to that isn't actually happening. Right. And you're projecting the terms of this battle in the moment on that person. He expresses that his whole interest in looking after Yoshi is to demonstrate a prowess at child rearing to DAX to make her comfortable with the idea that she has married him. And at every certain, she's like,

I don't need to be reassured with regards to that. I married you. I knew what I was signing up for. I'm in it, I met Tony, I knew who that guy was. Yeah, man. There was something very familiar about these moments to me. Yeah, that's like the kind of familiar about these moments to me. Yeah. That's like

the kind of insecurity that Wurf is great at expressing. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Like, if there's one good thing about the B story, I think it was that familiarity with that moment. I think there's something to be gained from experiencing that through Wurf and Dax's relationship. They make a bit of a breakthrough with Chromagmolly surrounding a hairbrush, which she is very interested in Kekos hairbrush when she pulls it out. And I thought that was a really touching detail

because I imagine I don't have a little girl with long hair, but I imagine that that's like a big part of their day every day, getting their hair brushed out. And that that would be like a very familiar object to a kid that hasn't seen one in 10 years. And a sense memory too, it feels good to have your hair brushed.

Yeah, to get fussed over a little bit. And the next scene is basically O'Brien and Bashir walking down the hallway. And O'Brien's like, this is going great. We're gonna have her talk in and in no time. She's going to probably be applying to college this time next year. Well, just be careful not to push it too hard. She gets frustrated.

She might withdraw and relapse into her little behavior. My problem with this scene is why is chief O'Brien going to work? How does he not have time off to take care of this situation? Did he use up all it? Like, was the last of his vacation time spent on that picnic? Because that was a bad use of your vacay time for miles. You would hope that that Cisco would give him a little bit of leeway in a situation like this, but...

Yeah, it turns out O'Brien's gonna need Cisco's leeway a little later. Yeah, he doesn't want to use it up just yet But she's in the scene like cautions chief O'Brien not to get overconfident here Not to push her and then they they come into warfs Quarters and and find that wharf has been teaching Yoshi a Klingon art called Hechtu, which is a hand-eye coordination technique that is taught to little babies so that they'll be good warriors when they grow up big and tall.

Oh, I get it. The rattle is like the baby's first badleth kind of thing. The evidence for Yoshi's advancement in this area is splattered all over the walls because he has killed their cat. He acquitted himself well. But honestly, I mean, I'm not supposed to be arguing this side, but I'm going to devil a little bit.

Oh wow. It's like devil's advocacy. You're a little bit verse. I think one of the things this episode does well is like, I was feeling the tension of the violence that was going to happen. Like, I could just feel that that Farrell Mollie was going to either kill the cat or seriously injure one of her parents or hurt herself in a major way, and it takes so long to get there. We come back to the cargo bay where she's having a total freak out and saying that she wants

to go home. And Miles and Kiko interpret this as she wants to go to their apartment. So they take her there. And the cat is there. And I was like very concerned that she was going to kill an attempt to spit roast the cat. Yeah, I felt the same way. Instead she rips a bodice. She found her old closet.

Yeah, crucially a bodice that's not on anyone. So it doesn't mean the same thing. You know what? Like there's an economy to this scene that I didn't consider until this moment, Ben, because it's been so long since we've seen Molly. I bet none of these clothes that she's destroying would fit her any more anyway. Go ahead and tear them up.

We were going to donate those, but you do you. She finds a picture of them, though, and this is presumably a picture that they took while they were on the picnic because it's a picture of the place that they had the picnic and that's where she really wants to go. Right. She doesn't consider this apartment to be home. And this is going to be easy to sell for because Miles and Kiko are like, let's just make Galana on the Hollisweep.

And Quark is like, cool, how much sex do you wanna have there? Miles and Kiko are like, no, it's not that kind of Galana. He's got a variety of different Galana games to choose from. And they just, they pick the most PG rated version. Right. But this makes Molly extremely happy. And they are walking around in this field while she just giggles and runs

and jumps and hangs from trees. She's delighted. I feel like this is an acting challenge that the actor who plays Crow Magmally really pulls off. This is not ham and cheese. This is just pure joy. Right. There's something very challenging about depicting a character that is like extremely limited verbal skills without making them look dumb or like we're making fun of that character. That is the line. Yeah. And I never felt like that. Yeah. Unfortunately, like this good feeling can't be felt forever because there's been kind of a line. There's a lineup outside the Hollis suite. What's going on in there? And a couple of

like, Klingon fellows have gotten next up. They've got their quarters on the door. Listen, we just really want to kill some like guys with turtle faces and skull faces. So if you guys could move it along, that would be great. Computer and program does not go well, enterprise, because as soon as fake Galana goes away, Molly has a breakdown, and it is spectacular. It's a tantrum that spills out of the Hollisweets and into the bar.

She walters Sobchex quarks ear as, as she comes out. And that, like, I kind of wish we'd seen a chunk of it go flying across the room. Right. And it, like, Pituy. Yeah. But she, like, she fights her way through the bar. She, like, shoves a bunch of people down the steps.

And then she bottle stabs a guy on her way out the door. And then Odo has a Bejurent Security guy shoot her. On stun. On stun. But Odo looks over it at the Bejurent Security guy, and he's like, shoot her. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Oh, tar. Hahaha. Hahaha. Hahaha. Hahaha. Because up until this moment, Chrome Agmally has been like testing the perimeter defenses

of the Hala suite for weaknesses. Yeah. And she looks at you. You can see she's working things out. Odo has a McLaughlin group. If you want with Sisko and O'Brien. And he says, I think we need to institute the lighting contingency.

It's not so much the Crow Magmolly in front of you. It's the two Crow Magmolies you don't see attacking from the side. I'm just concerned that she might be too clever of a girl for station safety. I thought this was kind of chicken shit of Odo. Like for A, Odo not to either shoot Molly himself or to become like the non-lethal weapon that he could be like he could he could like net her and and and take her to the floor or something. Totally. We haven't seen that effect in a long time. It must be expensive. I was thinking about that today that you know they they do that thing I think in episode one where where somebody tries to punch him in the face and his head goes gold and he uses his goo to flip the guy over.

And I wonder if they feel like they've just burned that. If they ever do it again, it will seem like they've rung the bell too many times. I don't know, man. I've got an insatiable hunger for a Crow Magmolly taking a broken bottle, sticking it through Odo's torso, and then us cutting to the back of him as the bottle is like being twisted around, after having gone through him. Give me more of that. Give me enough of that to where I'm tired of it, and I'm not tired of it yet. Yeah, even wanting more. That's the art of good television, Adam.

Unfortunately, the guy she stabbed with the bottle is pressing charges and Odo can't talk him out of it. It cannot. Molly does not respond well to being in a holding cell. She's doing that thing where she just runs up against the force field over and over again. This is the moment where I started to feel very sad for her. Like there's really no hope for Crow Magmally

at this point. And the whole feeling of the episode is the same, like, but she used to mean her changes. I think Miles and Keko get it at this point. And that's before they're told that the federation is going to be involved. And that's like the final straw. Like, they're going to be made to abandon the child. I abandoned my girl. Oh Brian, all he wanted really to do was to drink someone else's milkshake and now look at him. Yeah. And to make matters worse, the situation is not great for their other kid either.

Carrie Oshie has been over in the Wharf DAX quarters, bonking his head, presumably on the little table that Wharf keeps his suicide poison files. You know, everybody is there to say, like, little kids bonk their heads. It's fine. They run around the bonk, but Wharf is really beating the shit out of himself over this. You and I famously are both childless, but we, I think, are fortunate to have plenty of good friends with kids that we'll play with from time to time.

Super fun. But man, I totally felt what war felt. Like when a kid, when a kid in your care hurts themselves, it is the worst feeling in the world. I have, my friend's daughter, I was visiting them on vacation a few years ago, and we were doing the thing where I was like swinging or in a circle, and she...

You nurse made? I'm nurse made. Yeah, she got the nurse made elbow thing. And it was like, I felt like dog shit for a week. And everybody was like, no, it's like it's a thing that happens to kids. It was over like, we took her to a doctor and they fixed it and it was fine.

And I've never, I've never not felt bad about it. I think back on it right now, I feel terrible. Yeah. Yeah, one of our friends did the same thing to one of our friends kids. It's and you never talk to them again, right? No, yeah. They were ostracized rightfully. Yeah. That's that's what happened to me also. Worf sees this as as an example of him being an utter failure as a parent. This is almost like the last draw.

Yeah, I thought it was amazing that an episode that's so focused on something else could find a way to make that point. Wurf is a terrible parent, you know. Finally, we have confirmation. And finally he has some insight into that. Right. I failed Alexander. I failed Kiryoshi.

And I would have failed our children as well. Miles and Keko are post gaming this, and it seems like they're ready to give up. Until Keko kind of draws out the idea that maybe Miles isn't giving up. Maybe Miles has a secret plan. He's ready to hatch. Yeah. A plan that goes like stealing a runabout and taking Crow Magmolly down to euthanize her in the time portal.

That's a euthanizer. It's to send her where she wants to go at them and Where she is safe from from the you know institutions that want to enforce Yeah, she's gonna be very safe all alone on a deserted planet Where all she has is sharpened sticks to defend herself. That's that's great. Yeah, listen She survived there as an eight-year-old. It can't be that dangerous of a place. This scene and this plan is not specific enough. And the reason that I went there with my description of it is that you can't argue that that's

not what they're taking her to go do. Like her fate is sealed. Should they put her back in the time portal? Yeah, they're going to maroon her in the past to protect her from the present. And they do have to commit a crime to do it in breaking her out of jail. And they get the go ahead from Odo in the hallway. Like, a Federation security guy catches them and Odo comes down and he's like, all right, you two kids get along.

This is a very rewarding scene because I feel like the show doesn't often pay off a long-term relationship in this way with such efficiency. Odo's like, I know you, O'Brien, a long-term relationship in this way with such efficiency. Yeah. Odo's, Odo's like, I know you, O'Brien, and I know what you're capable of, and I would have expected a better plan than this. Yeah.

Like, he expected a foolproof escape plan. I love that moment. Yeah. And he knows that what O'Brien is doing is, you know, closer to justice than what O'Brien is trying to prevent. So it's very true to Odo's character too, like the, you know, on the side of justice, not the letter of the law thing that he is trying to. One other thing that we can agree is that is totally true is that Starfleet is totally uninterested in guarding anything time travel related because when O'Brien gets back

down to the time gate, no one's there. Yeah, all the stuff is totally discerning. They're able to turn it back on. What the fuck? It's so stupid. Yeah. Well, they cut out the nine minutes that they cut out was them standing in the line of people waiting to go kill Hitler and stuff. I love that O'Brien had to get through no more than two security people on the station

to get to the runabout and zero security people at the time portal. Yeah, they say a tearful goodbye to Crow Magmolly. They give her a Manhattan Portage shoulder bag, presumably full of some provisions that she may find useful in the life she is returning to. When it's been rad if they gave her a phaser. Like, I wanna know Molly's everyday carry. Yeah, based on the size of that bag.

What's in the kit? Is there like a flat pack replicator in there? This ties back into that question of whether or not this is euthanasia or not. Like, how much of a chance are they willing to give her? I would argue that if they're good parents, they're going to stuff that bag with everything she could possibly need.

Yeah, I'm guessing they did. Yeah. Molly expresses maybe the most complex verbal thing that she expresses in the entire episode, which is... Molly knows you. And then walks through the the portal old Molly goes through the time portal sees young Molly on the other side Touches her and then destroys the universe It's it's actual back to the future mechanics. It's it's actual mechanics. It's it's actual. This is what confused me so much about the documentary about Deep Space 9 is that they never refer to this moment. No, yeah. This it was like a pretty insane way to end the series, I think. Yeah. But I think very real given what we know about time paradoxes, right?

Right. Yeah. The time space continuum cannot abide to care to people who are the same touching each other. Yeah. Yeah, but she's getting ready to send eight year old Molly back through the portal and we're cutting back to the other side where Chufo Brian is getting out of phaser and getting ready to destroy this thing to like fully seal Molly behind the portal and older Molly gives younger Molly her dolly and like gestures for the portal and she's about halfway through when the chief shoots the portal and she is cut in half and

her lower torso falls to the ground in front of Miles and we cut to credits. So Miles' half-bobbs is daughter? Yeah. Oh, that's actually it's Bob Hath when it's the lower half that survives, right? We established that on the hip podcast, Friendly Fire. Did you understand fully why Miles needed to destroy the portal? Was it to prevent anyone from going and bringing Molly back? Yeah. Yeah, that was the logic of it.

The excellent logic of it, Adam, because this is a good episode that is flawless. I don't know. So young Molly comes through, we're made to understand that these were moments, right? Young Molly was on the other side for a moment of her time. I got the feeling that she was there for a long time, because she's like grubby and messed up looking. That's what I'm saying.

The hair-tangle continuity alone would suggest that she'd been there for quite a while, but I think the dialogue is the thing that suggests that it happens almost simultaneously. Yeah. So maybe the part that is the most science fiction, the absolute most unbelievable part of this episode, the part that I just cannot believe was not edited in some way, is that

Wharf comes home to DAX in their quarters, and he's still mega-bombed about what happened to Yoshi, and DAX tells Wharf that that very night they've been invited over to dinner at the O'Brien's. The O'Brien's for some reason are not too tired for company after recovering their time traveling daughter and going through the stresses of raising Chromagmolly for what like a week to 10 days. That is when you've been through a harrowing situation you want to celebrate when you come out the other side, Adam. If I have recorded two shows in a day, I don't want to see anyone. I don't want to see my wife that night. Too tired for that. It

just seems unbelievable that they wouldn't want some alone time with their newly found regular Molly. Wow. I hardly disagree. I think that the Abrians are just happy to have everyone back together and they want to, they want to fett warfundacks for looking after Kiryoshi and teaching him how to, how to do hekt up so well. Is Molly better with company or when you're by yourself? I've never done it myself. I mean, either. I've got questions. Well, the button on the episode is Molly drawing a picture there in the quarters.

As Brian and Kiko talk over what might have happened on the other side of that portal, how little Molly knew to go back through and speculating about how Crow Magmolly may have coached her to do so. And then Molly shows her picture, and it's just like the one Crow Magmolly do. Pretty close. Only better, right? Yeah, definitely better. I thought it was interesting that the eight-year-olds version of the picture was like more well-executed.

Yeah, Crow Magmolle's picture fucking sucked. This is not good. Do not put that on the fridge. No. Yeah, we'll just put that in the drawer, Crow Magmolle, where all of the things I like the most go. Yeah. The one drawer in my desk that has a lock on it.

The drawer in my desk that is plugged into the wall and shredded documents come out at the bottom. Adam, you hated this episode. I loved this episode, but we have folded pieces of paper that say which we wanted to argue for on this. Are you ready to reveal what you had selected? I sure am, you ready? Yeah, are we gonna do this to each other?

Yeah. All right, three, two, one. We both put negatives I think I think negative is here's the thing about negative. It's always easier to be negative right It's it's easier to sport fuck a thing than to to look at the positive. That's why our show so hard to do But I had a lot of fun doing it and I always have a lot of fun looking in our priority one message inbox. Do you want to see what we got over there?

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And there's a, there's a Hawaiian gentleman that a Hawaiian gentleman that she, the friends in one of the episodes. And his last name has like, I don't know if it's Yamaguchi or it's like something with Gooch in this last name. And he just goes by the Gooch because when you have Gooch as a part of your name, you are the Gooch. Yeah. I mean, that's an aspirational way to be. Yeah, Ben, our second priority one message is from Emily, the Royal Fizz bin,

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That's what I'm saying. He seemed like a guy who won a contest and I think and I'm not blaming this on him at all There's something about how they blocked his scene that made it look like it was a pick up. Yeah. Right. Yeah, he's kind of shot from a strange angle that doesn't really match the eye lines from other side.

That's what stuck out to me. I think, I think that was a pretty difficult situation for him to be in. The actor is Randy James and he plays a lot of uncredited characters on Star Trek, but yeah, tough task. Yeah. For him to pull off here, he's got 59 appearances in Deep Space 9, 22 appearances in TNG. He's in Star Trek First Contact. Just an incredible legacy. I had to imagine not many speaking parts among them, and this is the speaking part. Wow. I think he got to do better for Randy James, is what I'm saying. I'm telling the episode to do that. They did Randy Dirty. The thing about Randy Fluege,

the actor who plays this guy, is that he's Miles O'Brien standing. Whoa! That's funny. Randy James is like his actor name, Randy Fluege, is his birth name. Wow.

And that's gotta be fun. You work with a guy as a stand-in for years and years, you get him on camera. It's going to be a real treat. That's good times. He looks great from behind. Hey, Randy, I hate to see you go. I love to watch you stand in. watch you stand in. So that's myimoto. What about you again? A guy that got stabbed by the bottle. I feel like, yeah, I feel like there is a lot, a lot, a lot of imagery in our

popular culture of people breaking a bottle with the threat to stab. And you sometimes see somebody get slashed with a bottle? I can't think of another time I've seen somebody get like impaled on a bottle like that. It's like the main way I would think of using a broken bottle, though, also, it's like, that's the natural thing to do. I would never think to slash with it. It seems like you just break it again.

Right. So, for being the victim of a thing that I've always wondered about, but I can't think of another time I've actually seen, getting stabbed with a bottle guy is my truck, Shimada. All right, Ben, we have fallen all the way down on the game of Butthole's rule of the profits. Oh, yeah, we sure are. We're 34, and about this moment in the show is when you usually tell us what episode we're going to watch next. I do do that. And the next episode is season six episode 25, the sound of her voice.

So he's going to the crew race to save a Starfleet captain stranded alone on an oxygen-starved planet. Whoa. Yeah, that's going to be a big one. Yeah, I mean, everyone always talks about the sound of her voice. That's one of the great DS9 apps, right? Of season six? No. But... Tell you what I do like, our Star Trek stories about captains that we don't know until that episode, that's fun. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it, and I guess we'll find out if it's going to be a big

episode of our show when I roll the dice on the game of buttholes the will of the prophets. We do have a canar with demar out there ahead of us. Like that square. We could hit that, but I think that's the only thing unusual that we could hit. You're required to learn as you play. Roll. So I'm going to go ahead and roll this thing. Chula! Did I win?

Hardly. Great big roll, Adam. I have rolled a six. We are now on square 40, making up a lot of the lost time that we gave up on the last roll. So we will have a regular episode next week. We've got like, we've got, well, we've got 28 roles

to make it all the way back up to the power hour. Yeah. See if we can do it. We keep stubbing our runabout toe. We do. It's brutal. It's brutal. So many things are crazy making right now, Ben.

One thing that has made our lives a lot less crazy is the field promotion of Bill Tilly to social media management. He's the guy behind our brand new greatest Trek Twitter feed. And Instagram's weird. And Instagram feed. Yeah.

He's doing great work over there. He's like making gifts. He's telling you about like the birthdays of major characters in, of the actors who played major characters in the different series. He's, you know, retweeting his hilarious trading cards. It's a lot of fun to follow those accounts. So if you're on Twitter or Instagram, follow Greatest Trek. Some of the great music you've heard on the show

is made by great friend of DeSoto and YouTube food sensation, Adam Ragusia. Suggest you go over there and learn how to cook yourself something good or grow yourself something good. I saw a tomato tutorial over there. He's growing tomatoes. He's doing soil samples. What? Our show is a different kind of soil sample. Yeah, he's growing to mates. He's doing soil samples

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Can't wait. No one's gonna dethrone DeSoto. Yeah, DeSoto's the king. You know what, I bet DeSoto could exist on an oxygen deprived planet, no problem. Yeah, he's very chill, he's not using that much oxygen. Now he's just gonna relax. He's gonna pull up a chair and Chill out. Yeah, he's gonna appreciate the break from hauling his butt back and forth from starbase to starbase Make it sound.

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