The Greatest Generation - Curtain Jerkin’ (VOY S6E8)

Episode Date: July 10, 2023

When Voyager discovers an ancient spacecraft from Earth, the crew starts nerding out over the module’s mysterious fate. But when Chakotay is guilty of taking the exploration too far, Seven’s missi...on within a mission shows her what humanity’s history is worth. What’s the best way to store lewd materials? Is more detail needed on the stakes of subspace? Where should the Captain always get the last word? It’s the episode that’s totally on board with being pro-Star Trek!Support the production of The Greatest Generation.Friends of DeSoto for Democracy.Friends of DeSoto for Justice. Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Caretaker!Music by Adam Ragusea & Dark MateriaFollow The Greatest Generation on Twitter, and discuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen!The Greatest Generation is on YouTube.Facebook group | Subreddit | Discord | WikiSign up for our mailing list!Get a thing at podshop.biz!

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Priority 1 message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Hey friends of Disodo. Before today's episode, we just wanted to take a moment to talk about the historic labor actions being taken by writers and actors in the American Film and Television industry. If you're a fan of the work done by the people who make Star Trek, we hope you'll join us in standing in solidarity with the folks who actually bring these adventures to life. Over the past several years, the AMPTP, the organization that represents the American Film and Television Production Studios, have reduced the profit from movies and TV going to workers. And in so doing,
Starting point is 00:00:35 they've attempted to weaken the labor unions that represent those workers. They wouldn't even engage the unions on many issues in their negotiations. And so a strike was the only course of action to take. Adam, Wendy and I have been having a lot of internal discussions about how best to stand with the unions and we are continuing those conversations in a dynamic situation. We're doing our best to understand where the picket lines are in these digital spaces,
Starting point is 00:01:01 and we would never intentionally cross one. With the information we have, we feel like we can do more good talking about and supporting the strike and continuing our show as planned. We'll keep you informed about what all this means for greatest trek specifically. Today we're making a contribution to the Entertainment Community Fund. This fund exists to help all the people whose livelihoods have been put on hold because the AMPTP refuses to negotiate
Starting point is 00:01:25 in good faith with the unions. It provides financial support for writers, actors, and all the thousands of laborers who make the shows that we talk about here and without whom we wouldn't have Star Trek to cast pot about. Those folks are all out of work because billionaires, company shareholders, and the executives of these companies don't want to compromise on the length of their yachts. We hope you'll join us in supporting entertainment workers in a challenging time, especially after they've already endured several years of challenges brought on by the pandemic
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Starting point is 00:02:28 Welcome to the greatest generation. It's a Star Trek podcast by a couple of guys, just a little bit embarrassed about having a Star Trek podcast. I'm Adam Pranica. I'm Ben Harrison, and many people are just listening to this. But a lucky few have tuned into our YouTube channel and are watching this on video because it's a code 47 episode today, Adam.
Starting point is 00:02:49 That's right, Ben. Lucky them getting to look at us during the good 47. What's our YouTube channel? It's just is it just YouTube.com slash greatest trek? I sure hope it is. I'm almost positive. That's what it is. That seems to be basically how it works over there
Starting point is 00:03:05 on the YouTube website. We got a whole bunch of packages here from folks all over the world, Adam. What do you say we rip into these things? A global community, a friend of DeSoto, spending their hard earned dollars on postage. Gotta keep that postal system working. Yeah. Captain, I'm sorry to disturb you. I'm receiving a code 47. Verify? It is code 47, sir.
Starting point is 00:03:34 Stockly emergency frequency. Captions eyes only. All right, this first one is from Pitsfield, Maine. It's from Michael B. Kind of a flat package we got here. Uh-huh. It's like reused famous internet retailer packaging, which I like to see.
Starting point is 00:03:52 Oh yeah. Reused more important than recycle in our modern ecological understanding of things. Oh boy, we've got a tax documents folder here. Oh, don't send us your tax documents. I'll say one thing, we are not tax documents professionals, but we are tax documents professionals. I like the idea of this is like one of those hanging file folders that you know you put in a Yeah, a file cabinet kind of situation. That's the kind I prefer. I do like the idea of keeping you know, glued materials in a hanging file. That's that's fun. Yeah. You
Starting point is 00:04:36 don't want your glued materials to slip between. Yeah. This is the letter. Hey, again, Adam and Ben, I have decided to be your Star Trek sex Sherpa, since I don't have any special crafting skill or any otherwise desirable talents as it relates to your show. Please enjoy this physical tax documents folder. I can't recommend that you use a black light on its contents, or even open it as I cannot verify its owner history, except that now it belongs to Usbridge Moda LLC. At the risk of mental whiplash, I also wanted to say that it has been a treat listening to Ben's experience regarding Daron. I, too, am a 39-year-old male that just had
Starting point is 00:05:17 his own Daron. Could I be mirror-ben? I do have a go-t. I suspect the boy's de-brown to be close in age mine is knocking on just past six months by the time you receive this. Your stories of his development and the fumbling that happens as a new parent are small assurance that she who is my wife and I are doing at least as good as someone else out there. That being said, the tax documents contained here
Starting point is 00:05:43 in maybe better placed with Adam. His aspect is a little more time on his hands. Oh geez. Great work on the pod and being the inspiration for a whole host of communities around it. Hello Discord, it's Bjork Tribe! I'll be back again someday with more memorapilia. Your unofficial Star Trek sex Sherpa, Mike. Of course, wow. Alright, so I'm gonna- I just-the rest of himself in that position, didn't he? I guess so, uh.
Starting point is 00:06:15 He created the job, and then took that job. This does in fact have a Playboy magazine. Wow. And it's in a Ziploc bag here, so... Is it bagged and boarded? Oh my God, this is Denise Crosby out of uniform as one of the pictorials in this. I didn't know that existed.
Starting point is 00:06:37 Wow. Wow. Wow. What? I'm shocked. Because this is going out on a public video platform, I don't want to open this up and get us demonetized or something. But uh...
Starting point is 00:06:50 Wow, no kidding. Yeah, wait until the cameras are off. Yeah. You know, personally, I'm excited about the articles in this magazine, Adam. Of course you are. Yeah. Of clothing on the floor.
Starting point is 00:07:02 You know, Anson Mouts' father used to write for Playboy. Is that true? You remember that? That bit of trivia? And. 1988 issue of Playboy entertainment for men. It's got a shivvish regal add on the back, so. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:20 Yeah, poor that shivvish over ice. Take it to the dome. I can't believe that this exists. I had no earthly idea. If I'd known that this existed when I was like 13, I don't think I would be here today. Now you would've died from an auto-erotic injury. So sad when that happens.
Starting point is 00:07:44 When it claims our youngsters. Hey, thanks Mike. Mike the Sherpa. Yeah. The sex Sherpa. Adam our next package here is from Ari in Phoenix, Arizona. This is a bubble package. Let's see. Got a note here. You're Ben and Adam. I'm a long time listener. First time Code 47 sender a few months ago, I went to a local men's underwear store, read gay sex shop. What is going on today's Code 47? Wow.
Starting point is 00:08:17 Today's Code 47's are really putting it on main. And I came across the unexpected Star Trek find of a lifetime. Among the Horgons and plugs for various bodyhurros was a Star Trek Voyager shirt and not just any Voyager shirt, but one depicting male shredded versions of Seven of Nine and the Borg's Queen. Borg King? With Seven rocking copious amounts of Nuck. I was a little bit embarrassed to buy the shirt, but how could I not? Queen, board king, with seven rocking copious amounts of knuck.
Starting point is 00:08:45 I was a little bit embarrassed to buy the shirt, but how could I not? The more I thought about the knuck shirt, the more mystifying it became. Why was a Star Trek shirt being sold in an underwear store? Did Big Ride know about this? Who thought up this t-shirt idea and how can I shake their hands for making the best piece of bootleg voyageager merchandise ever made. What originally started as ironic enjoyment has become a genuine appreciation for the Nuck shirt
Starting point is 00:09:12 and soon after returning to the store and having to specifically ask for the horny voyage your shirt so that I could buy two more, I give you both the gift of the Nuck shirt. I just hope you're comfortable enough in your sexuality is to appreciate these shirts for what they are. Two pieces of voyage or paraphernalia, Garrett Wong, can never take from you. Wow.
Starting point is 00:09:36 Resistance is futile. All right. I'm positive without seeing these shirts that you of the two of us are the most comfortable with wearing this This is ultimate pranika kabanika wear. Oh, this is absolute pranika kabanika wear here. Oh my god Yeah, so oh my god, you can you can see the whole outline Yeah, seven of nine, you know wearing pants tight enough that you can see what his religious affiliation might be. We need to pull it out. Assist me.
Starting point is 00:10:13 The board king also looking absolutely ripped and shredded. I know a couple of friends at a DeSoto that would just love those shirts. These are amazing. Wow. What a couple of hunks. These are just printed on regular, like, Bella, Canvas, t-shirts, and there's no official licensing information on the tag.
Starting point is 00:10:35 So I'm guessing that this is a bootleg. Yeah, someone made this art. That person is out there. I love that the underwear store was willing to take a flyer on on stocking these, you know, that's great Were these the only two shirts in the underwear store? Everything else was underwear and and plus Yeah, underwear plugs and two shirts Well, there's great news Adam. There's one in your size and one in my size
Starting point is 00:11:04 So we can show up to Veronica,ica, Cabanaca at Star Trek Las Vegas this year in style. I may enter the pool party with that shirt, but I am not leaving with it. I'll tell you that. I'm taking that shirt off as soon as possible. Wow. Adam, our next package here is from Elijah in Leanne. I'm taking that shirt off as soon as possible. Wow.
Starting point is 00:11:25 Adam, our next package here is from Elijah in Leander, Texas. I wonder what pornography or pornography adjacent gift awaits in this one. Yeah. This is bowling the turkey if we get porn now. Oh, it really is. Hello, Ben, Adam. Just wanted to say you guys know how much I enjoyed your old friendly fire podcast.
Starting point is 00:11:50 I'm sad the show is over, but I guess I understand why. I could go into why I liked the podcast so much, but that would probably take too long. Just know, in my opinion, the Rambo First Blood Part 2 BoCo episode is probably the finest 60-minute and podcast history. As for the enclosed gift, it is something my girlfriend convinced me to create last year. I could go into why and how, but that would also probably take too long.
Starting point is 00:12:15 I just hope you guys like it. If you don't, you can always just use it as proof to your wives that people actually listen to you. I can use as much of that as I can get. So, nothing to lead me to believe that this isn't porn or porn adjacent. Yeah, yeah. Very well-packaged items here. There's two of them.
Starting point is 00:12:38 Oh, there's one for me and one for you, it looks like. Oh good. One in your size and one in mine. Ha ha ha. These are framed images. Oh boy, so we've got an homage to friendly fire. How about that? Looks like we've got a friendly fire coffee mug boiling over because Alka Celter has been dropped in the coffee. There's a John Rambo commemorative candle next to a typewriter.
Starting point is 00:13:08 About that. Pack of cigarettes, stack of DVDs, a bunch of friendly fire movies in this snack and then boat dad weekly magazine under all of it. This is beautiful. A lot of really nice work. If this is your work. Should I open yours, Adam?
Starting point is 00:13:26 Oh, yeah, let's see. It's just, if it's different, I'd like to know that. Yeah. Same image. So, one for each of us. Hey, really cool. Really nice. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:36 All right, two more packages here. Adam, this is our first international package today. Maybe our last, probably our last. It's from Amma and M. Jackson Brown out of Kitchener on Perio. And that's to us. Goes like this. Greetings from the Great White North. I was admiring some of my old Star Trek memorabilia and rediscovered these truly 90s artifacts and felt that the world, or at least our fellow viewers, needed to be reminded that they existed. Star Trek Pog!
Starting point is 00:14:06 Sorry, I mean star discs. Enclosed is my small collection of said discs, including one unopened pack for your unwrapping pleasure, also included as a small collection of other pogs and slammers, extra chaff, case you and Adam felt like throwing down in a way not seen since 1995. This makes one wonder what other collectible fads could Star Trek have jumped on. TOS Hula Hoops, Voyager Beanie Babies, Enterprise Bayblades, Disco Brats, Prodigy Roblox, leaving Latinum on the table Paramount, looking forward to the next Toronto show, as always. Mark,
Starting point is 00:14:47 PS, and have some coasters too. Wow. This box is internally decorated with a millhouse memes, hang, remember Star Trek? It's back in Pogform. Wow. Great reference. And we've got one of those tubes of Pogs. I can't believe this. Mark's name written on there in a childlike hand that I assume means that this is something that has been like this for a long, long time.
Starting point is 00:15:16 You know what? We got two packages of sex paraphernalia up top and now we have a cylindrical object being being shown to the camera here. Really odd theme. I was about to say I was shocked that a snake wasn't leaping out of this cylinder at me. Yeah. But now that you say that, a more shocked that a dildo has not leaked out. Very surprising.
Starting point is 00:15:40 Yeah. When I say leaked out, I meant leaped out. Snake's leap. Dildo's leak. First Pog here is a Jordy Star Trek TNG Pog. We got a stack of these things. Wow. All different. Yeah. Look at them. Got a Klingon vessels. We've got computer Pog. That's one you don't mind losing to your friend in a game of Pogs, right? We've got computer pog, that's one you don't mind losing to your friend in a game of pogs, right?
Starting point is 00:16:11 Mm-hmm. Did the pog trend hit when you were the right age for the pog trend at him? It hit my younger brother, my younger brother's three years younger than I am and it hit him the way it did not hit me. It's surprising like that could have been your degenerate gambler origin story, but it is not. No, no my origin story is far different. Far darker. Far more depraved. Deanna Troy, hog, star disc, I guess. Wow, yeah. Oh man, these are all officially licensed by Paramount Pictures.
Starting point is 00:16:41 You should take the Tasha Yarwan out and use it as a bookmark for that playboy. I wouldn't open your playboy Adam. My playboy. That's not mine. That's it you're gonna tell your wife when she finds it. Yeah Adam left this playboy here. Yeah we got a couple of sl. These are the plastic kind. I always wanted the metal kind of slamer But I I never got my hands on one now Man, oh, so this is an area of interest for you from way back then, huh? The vintage pugs man. Yeah vintage pugs vintage porn today On the code 47
Starting point is 00:17:24 Indeed on the code 47. Indeed. Let's see, we got a pack of Star Trek cards. Are we open this real quick? Oh, yeah. All right. These are launch edition and Star Trek's... Oh, it's Star Discs. This is, I guess, a...
Starting point is 00:17:39 It's shaped like it's a pack of cards, but it's discs. Oh, it is. You punch them out. They come to a board. Look at that. And what do we got here? We got a Jordi. We got a Romulan.
Starting point is 00:17:51 Oh, we've got Q and Picard from... Sure, yeah. ...counter at far point. Yeah. Oh, man. This is great. We've really got some tremendous pogs here. And a bunch of cool Star Trek beverage coasters in addition.
Starting point is 00:18:07 I love coasters. Yeah, made out of the same material as the pogs, just a laminated cardboard. Just super absorbent for all the cold and sweaty drinks. Mark, thank you so much for this nostalgic gift. Okay, final package, this is the biggest one we got from this mail hall. It's from Taylor K in Newport, Oregon it looks like. More than half of these packages have been either horny directly or indirectly horny. Yeah. Horny adjacent.
Starting point is 00:18:44 What do you think this one's gonna be? It's a big package, so it would have to be... It would have to be really horny. Huh. What's a big horny thing? I guess like an inflatable doll would be a big horny thing. And 8-inch classic dom. I looked down and I could see the lipstick from my lips on the classic 8-inch dom.
Starting point is 00:19:02 It's a long letter here. Do Ben, Adam, Wendy, and Ben Tilly. Ben Tilly, it's Bill Tilly. Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill, Bill. Oh no. This is a long letter who are not obligated to read on the pod. Thank you for everything.
Starting point is 00:19:17 Well, maybe I'll read it out loud and we'll edit to a bridge. I've been wanting to send y'all something again for so long, this felt like the best time as your podcast once again came in to help make my life a bit better during some cruddy times. As I'm sure you can tell from the stuff, I'm that guy from the NOAA Corps that keeps thanking you for helping me realize
Starting point is 00:19:39 and find this career, my latest billet, parenthetically job change in NOAA, had me move across country from the East Coast to an Alaskan ship, the Fair Weather. The career move is great, and I am now the operations officer on the ship running the Scientific Mission, ops officer equals data,
Starting point is 00:19:59 or that girl Picard dated for an episode when they played the flute in the tube stick. Yeah, yeah. In this package, by the way, are a bunch of stickers from my new ship, that girl Picard dated for an episode when they played the flute in the tubes to go. Yeah, yeah. In this package, by the way, are a bunch of stickers from my new ship, some stickers from the Hurricane Hunters, another part of NOAA Corp.
Starting point is 00:20:14 Some hats, some sunglasses, postcards of the ship, some new shirts. Does his ship have a gift shop? It sounds like it. That's amazing. Finally, I included four challenge coins for both of you and your new employees, Wendy and Bill. Oh good.
Starting point is 00:20:30 Again, thank you both so much. What I pin on my next PIP, which would be going from Lieutenant Junior Grade up to Lieutenant, sending you two P1 messages as my wedding down. Again, thank you from a guy driving a ship a bit, but not too embarrassed to be listening to two guys a bit embarrassed to have a Star Trek podcast, Lieutenant Junior Grade, Taylor K, and OAA.
Starting point is 00:20:53 Very kind letter, Luke Tennant. We got some hats for the USS Fairweather? Look at that. That is a handsome hat. They do have a gift shop. Yeah, some sunnies, some images of the ship itself. That's really cool. Great pictures. And there's the slammers I wanted at him. Wow. That's a big boy back there. Some challenge coins in there, some patches, some stickers. These are really cool. Neat.
Starting point is 00:21:20 Really pretty. These are such cool shirts. Wow, I love those, yeah. You know, Taylor sent us NOAA shirts in the past, and I wear them around occasionally, and people love seeing them. Like, people that know what an NOAA ship is are like, oh man, are you in? Like, they want to know if I, you know, and I'm like, a little worried
Starting point is 00:21:42 that there's some kind of national oceanographic and atmospheric administration stolen valor issue going on. Yeah, you shouldn't board a plane early wearing that shirt. That's not right. And when people thank me for my service, I'm always like, oh yeah, just happy to be out here doing my thing. But there is that one random who walks by you,
Starting point is 00:22:03 gives you double-taken. He's like, my name's Noah too! That does happen, that does happen. Yeah. So I try on these these sunnies for the cam? You know for a hot second, DeRoean's name was almost NOAA. Right, yeah, it almost happened. I like those on you. You know what they look like? Is they look like cartoon eyes with the way the logo works?
Starting point is 00:22:32 Yeah. It looks like you got big... Like I'm sleeping? Yeah. I feel like if I was a professional poker player, maybe this would be my look, you know. You look like one of the students in Professor Jones' archiological.
Starting point is 00:22:48 Ankylis or college class. Can't say that word, archeology class. I'm batting my literal eyebrows at him. Yeah, with a little note. He's not trying to see you, man. Yeah, no. The inappropriate, you know, teacher student relationship like that like that. Well, what do you say we get into today's episode? I cannot see anything right now because these
Starting point is 00:23:13 novelty sunglasses do not have my prescription in them. So, can you, can you remind me what the title of the episode is? I am scrambling to look up that information right now. Thanks to everyone who sent us a gift on the code 47, and really, really appreciate your thoughtfulness. We super do, and I'm probably going to go enjoy this tax documents folder before we record the rest of the episode. Oh, that is no longer my magazine.
Starting point is 00:23:45 That is your magazine. I'm gonna leave it in the Ziploc. I'm just gonna like imagine what I think it could be like, you know. Oh God, that's so gross. I don't wanna think about that. Using my imagination. I don't wanna think about you using your imagination. Just bend with those weird glasses on and as AirPods in your imagination. Huuuugh! Huuugh! Just Ben with those weird glasses on and his AirPods in, like, basically sensory
Starting point is 00:24:11 deprivation, jacking it. It's Star Trek Voyager Season 6 episode 8, one small step. Reaver course. Unless you've got something a little bigger in your torpedo toots, I'm not turning around. And it's an episode directed by Robert Piccardo. Adam. About that. That credit certainly had me looking out for all of the people he would be made to kiss.
Starting point is 00:24:38 In this episode. Doesn't actually happen. No. So we start. It's October 19th, 2032. A date that is tantalizingly close. Right? Do you believe that we'll have a fourth manned Mars mission
Starting point is 00:24:55 in less than 10 years? I mean, my heart says one thing, and my pessimism says another. So you don't keep your pessimism in your heart. Not in the same place. No. Yeah, so this is the Aries for Orbiter, Lieutenant John Kelly, the only person on it, radioing down to a team on the ground about Buckbock High coming up and smashing Joe D'Amaggio's record.
Starting point is 00:25:23 A record that has stood for so long. Yeah, this is kind of like routine mission pattern. Like how is the core sampling of the geological, yada yada going peppered in with the like, I've gotten some exciting updates about the world from the latest dispatches out of Houston. The other crew person is thinking he's doing giant thing on the radar bit.
Starting point is 00:25:50 There it is. It's huge. 4,000 meters across. I'll let something that beg appeared on the nowhere. John, you're doing big thing on the radar bits again, aren't you? We get it. This thing when he looks out the window, it's huge. It sort of looked like a galaxy's child.
Starting point is 00:26:06 Did, yeah. It is bigger than Tamajiro's record out there. Bigger than fuckbox guy's baseball bat. I know what. I know. I love this neat shot on his eyes, reflecting the image of this thing. Very cool.
Starting point is 00:26:24 Nice job, Robert Bracardo. This thing is coming in hot, overtakes him. And then we're in Chico Tees' quarters where somebody's playing Bing-Dunk-Ditch. Yeah. That just knew that Naomi Wildman was up to no good. I thought the same thing. It's not Naomi Wildman. Nothing on the ship works anymore. It's a total fucking mess.
Starting point is 00:26:47 Fuck, even in the future, not the work. There is a great take where he like is trying to radio up to see what's going on with this and internal comms are all messed up. He's hearing from different people all over the ship and he's like trying to like take a sip of coffee and read a book while his commune just like flies off the handle. Chicoet de really looks like a defeated man. Tim Mao. And he's relaxing the way everyone in Star Trek does.
Starting point is 00:27:20 Like you either get to work or you get to read a book while sipping a hot beverage and that's it. It's Haladek or this. Reading a book while sipping a hot beverage always looks amazing on TV but I never think to do it in real life. Like, I was just gonna ask you, do you ever make time for this? I read books a lot but I never, I like read them in bed before I go into sleep. I never like in the middle of the day, sit myself down and read a book. I married a TV before bed partner, and she made it very clear early on that that is how it would remain. And I need to find secret book reading time.
Starting point is 00:28:05 If I'm to do it. I also married a TV before bed, and I bought her an iPad, and I said, if you can watch your shows on this, it would mean a lot to me. Wow. Wow. I wanna try that.
Starting point is 00:28:20 I can really see the gears grinding in your mind. I just don't think it would work. I think it would create more problems than it would sell. Is it? I'm trying to say, hey, every relationship is a little bit different. I loved the jump through the door because when he tries to leave his quarters
Starting point is 00:28:40 to go solve this problem, the door starts like guillotineing on him. We've made this observation before like fast motion is something you rarely see in Star Trek. And by that I just mean someone moving fast, not something being filmed in a way to make it look fast. Like no one ever runs at full speed on Star Trek, but seeing Chico Te jump through this door
Starting point is 00:29:02 was an exciting moment for that reason. You don't see people move like that. It was good. Yeah. I want the like rock back and forth gif of that. Yeah. Jump in, jump out, jump in, jump out. He goes directly to engineering.
Starting point is 00:29:15 Chico-te does where he thinks he knows the source of the problem. And there she sits. It's 7 of 9 making enhancements to the computer core. I don't recall authorizing any modifications. The computer core is inefficient. It needs to be improved. And this is something he takes great on bridge with because she's clearly brought this up and been told, yeah, yeah, great idea, but we're not doing it right now and has just taken
Starting point is 00:29:41 it upon herself to completely rework how the central computer of the ship works. And so all of these things that he's been experiencing are bugs in the workings of the central computer that she has determined are not relevant because it's going to make the overall functioning of the computer so much better. And I'm like, internal comms and like the doors working would seem to be pretty critical features of a starship. Like what's getting better? It's so interesting that those systems are different
Starting point is 00:30:17 from external comms, for example. Like because the main thrust of the problem for the rest of the episode that pretty much begins here I was like, oh, it would be interesting if those problems carried forward and presented difficulties in having a successful mission here, but All of these issues are pretty much resolved when a banger gets dropped and seven in chicote I need to high-tail it for the bridge. Some gravimetric distortions have brought this galaxy's child onto Voyager's doorstep,
Starting point is 00:30:52 much like in the cold open. And not only is it like in the same part of space as them, it's following them. Pretty suspicious. He asked me. Yeah, so seven knows kind of what this thing is. She calls it Spatial Anomaly 521 and explains that it's attracted to objects that admit electromagnetism, this immediately jugs, Chico Te's memory of Aries 4. You know, they like
Starting point is 00:31:22 recalibrate the shield so that it stops being a direct threat to the ship and they're like, oh man, like this is just like the thing that got Aries for. And they're really rare. And then that like Janeway knows what it is. There's a human term for it. It's called a Graviton ellipse. Chico-tee and Paris very briefly go, yeah,
Starting point is 00:31:39 this is a lot like the Aries for thing. Paris is like, wasn't that the day Buc-Buc-Buc-Kai broke Joe Demagio's record? And she's like, holy shit, it was. How great was Buck Bocai? Yeah. Janeway's like, very great. The greatest of all time.
Starting point is 00:31:55 I know, I've played with them all. Tana high fives around the bridge. People still huge fans. Yeah. Big sports fans on the bridge. Very, very exciting exploration opportunity because this isn't anomaly that has been described by science, but they're incredibly rare. And they have an up close and personal way to explore it now because of
Starting point is 00:32:18 the Borg tech that Seven has given them for making it not kill them. And so they're like, hey, let's launch a probe. Let's see what's going on inside this thing. And pretty quickly we're down in the ass lab getting telemetry from what's going on inside it. It's storm-like, isn't it? Cause it's got all of this light and heat on the outside, but in the core, it's quiet, calm. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:44 And seven's like, I have a way to destroy it. And two bucks like, whoa! Little fast on the destruction here, we have time to study. Isn't that time that we should take? And this begins an argument that seven has throughout the episode about whether or not exploration and study is worth it in dangerous times. I thought this was an interesting, like for all of their wanting to get a bunch of shit from everyone else, the Borgs aren't actually that curious of a species. Yeah. She's like, yeah, like this thing is just a hazard and we need to get rid of it because there's
Starting point is 00:33:25 nothing about it that we can assimilate. So fuck this thing and do I just like, well, like look at this and they start looking at the list of materials that are coming back from the probe and some of them actually coincide with the kinds of shit that the Aries 4 capsule would have been made out of. And I'm like, could it be that this anomaly is the same anomaly that got the Aries 4? And then they're like, nah, it couldn't be. Scan for buck bokeh eye trading cards. I know John Kelly was a fan. I heard you, Cherry. Made a lot to me.
Starting point is 00:34:05 Of course, it's a lot to me. What? You're going to listen to me, don't be careful, because I'm going to say this once. You're going to win. They have a McLaughlin group. If you want. And the beginning of the McLaughlin group is like,
Starting point is 00:34:18 okay, here's what happened in the cold open of the episode. I was like, yeah, we saw this part. All right, what's next? And there's some excitement about the idea of actually going inside it. Sounds great in a shuttle and seeing if they can get a look at the capsule itself. When they start delegating who's going to be on the mission of going inside it, Harry Kim is heartbroken, right? This is one thing nearby that he won't be permitted to go in.
Starting point is 00:34:50 Yeah. Yeah. This is penetrating an anomaly that very few have ever penetrated before. And when the mission goes to Chicoetay, the camera pans below the table and you see Harry Kim snap a pencil in his face. I thought that Janeway sort of did Chicoetay dirty in this episode too though, because like she makes him say that he really wants to do the mission. She knows he really wants to do the mission.
Starting point is 00:35:21 She knows he's like super excited about this whole thing and she kind of makes him play the enthusiastic little boy instead of just putting him in charge of it. Yeah, I want him to want it in front of me. How many bathtub's would you say this mission is worth to you to go day? We do this a lot and most of the time I pour a bowl of cold vegetable broth and it's genitals No problem. I'm a vegetarian
Starting point is 00:35:50 When the meeting adjourns seven sticks behind and she tells Janeway this isn't worth it It's too dangerous and this is an opportunity for Janeway to wax Romantic about what it feels like to explore things. And that seven may experience some of these feelings if he chose to participate in the mission. There's coffee in humanity's history. Take Tom Paris, for example. He explores his body with great a land. with great elan. It's the way that I explore Chicoote with bowl after bowl of differently
Starting point is 00:36:30 temperature vegetable broth. Through these explorations, we all become better people. There was that one time I put Chicoote's hand into a warm vegetable broth while he was sleeping. Then for some reason, Dr. Bashir showed up. We still don't understand how he was able to travel across the galaxy. Dr. please.
Starting point is 00:36:55 Whenever there's a urine-based emergency in the quadrant, Dr. Bashir appears. Go to yellow alert. In the ass lab, Paris and Chico Te are prepping for this mission by watching a bunch of old footage from this mission. We've got shots of mission control and commanders logs from Lieutenant Kelly's command capsule. And I really liked that they were kind of like nerding out with each other, like they were, they were like, we both think there's
Starting point is 00:37:29 rules, right? And really loving that they're gonna get to learn a little bit more about what happened with this guy when Seven comes in here to just shit all over the hero worship, the glorification of an individual's accomplishments. I guess you didn't have many role models growing up. It's a perfectly reasonable seven argument, right? She's like, I don't want to be here, but you guys have zero chance of mission success without me. So here I am. I guess I'm volunteering or whatever.
Starting point is 00:38:01 Right. In Six Bay, the doctor gets his one and only scene, which isn't weird on the one hand because many actors who direct themselves and episodes give themselves very little acting to do. This is something you see a ton. But when the doctor requests that Seven takes the camera with her, I never saw the camera again. Did she not take it with her?
Starting point is 00:38:26 She was supposed to take pictures, but she did not. Yeah. I thought that was a notable thread that remained untied off. Yeah. One other piece of information here that I thought was interesting was like, it's not just the Chicoet and Paris pressure of wanting to join the club that appreciates history and historical moments. What the doctor says in the scene is that everyone on the bridge is jealous of you, everyone wishes they could go on this mission. So you better start feeling something for that reason. Right. This is kind of a trope, right? Like the person who gets a thing that doesn't appreciate the thing that they got.
Starting point is 00:39:09 Right. But they don't play it for the jealousy of everyone else. Like the doctor really wishes you could go, but he's also not like but heard about it. Right. So we cut on over to the mission beginning and it's on the Delta Flyer with Paris Chicote and Seven, and Voyager watches through the sensors and not on screen and also through the communications link that they have. And after a rocky ride, the Delta Flyer finally gets to the eye. And one thing that I observed in this scene was that because it's just radio descriptions only, didn't it feel a lot like the moon landing
Starting point is 00:39:47 communications of the early space program? And it wasn't that really neat how intentional that was. Yeah, because when we do see them on the flyer, like we don't get to see what they're seeing. Yeah. It's like them radioing it back. I thought it was really nicely done. Yeah. And like that pattern of moon missions too, like wasn't always serious and scientific, that like it got a little quippy and fun sometimes. Mm-hmm. And you get that here. Armstrong is like kind of rapturous and, you know,
Starting point is 00:40:20 grand eloquent and then Buzz Alderman's like kind of over it and jaded the way seven is. Yeah, exactly. There's a really nice shot here that I wanted to call attention to. It starts on a single of Janeway and then it kind of rotates clockwise around her and then focus gets pulled to Kim behind her when the sequence ends and then back to the foreground with Janeway. I thought that was really nicely done. It's not often that you see a new way to cover some kind of banal action on the bridge. You know, like that's a long shot that also ends in a
Starting point is 00:41:01 banger, which means, you know, I assume that they covered it on a steady cam, but I mean, that's like a, like a non-trivial camera move with a whole bunch of lines that need to get nailed in the sequence, and it was really nicely done. If you're gonna do it, you wanna do that with Kate Mogrew, like that was the right character to pull that off with. Yeah. So there was some talk at the beginning of the episode.
Starting point is 00:41:26 Like we have 16 hours before this anomaly goes back into subspace and is never seen again. And now that the Delta Flyers in, they have several hours to explore and like beam shit aboard and learn as much as they can. And seven is like, yeah, I don't know. I'm not really into like all the stakes being taken out of the episode. I think we should just like, you know, grab that module and get the
Starting point is 00:41:50 fuck out of here. And that is a tension that is throughout the episode that she wants to get down to business and Chicoote and Paris don't. Yeah. Because searching for the module will take a long time, but they are going to like beam a board other stuff in the meantime. And Jakota is really excited. Like they find these fossilized metallic microbes, which is something that was previously only theoretically possible.
Starting point is 00:42:18 And now they have samples that prove it's actually happened. They look at this thing through a microscope, and they see like a little metallic man climbing a wall. Like really fast. Yeah, it's so fast. Only the suit looks a little too heavy to stay on there. Yeah. It's usually like magnetism to climb the wall
Starting point is 00:42:38 that he built. Yeah, very crucially he built the wall. This is actually my ground. Chico Te talks to Seffan a little bit about how paleontology was his first love and he's like, you know, terrorism just kind of got in the way of all of that and I got, you know, sucked down a rabbit hole. But yeah, I got into Starfleet
Starting point is 00:42:59 because of my love of paleontology, not of terrorism. Right. Yeah, sir, if she ever had like a childhood dream, something she wanted to become, and she was like, oh yeah, what was it? It wasn't terrorist. Hmm. Oh yeah, ballerina.
Starting point is 00:43:15 Maybe it's not too late. That Chico Te really feels like a piece of shit after this, right? Ha ha ha. She's like, I got sidetracked being a drone in like a, you know, race of a Gemini, it is in cybernetic marauders. So I guess we both kind of got off track in our lives in a way.
Starting point is 00:43:33 You know, unless you've been a ballerina, you wouldn't appreciate this comparison, but I really found wearing toeshoes as uncomfortable as being assimilated. You just never get comfortable wearing all that stuff. I've got to get there. Not now put your light number your mouth. I've got to get there.
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Starting point is 00:45:11 Be dumb instead. Oh, rats, hey, they're gone. I've gotta count you in line. These clouds are really frigging me out. I hate having to stand in line. And boy, what do I? These giraffes do not smell good? No, they do not and they've such short
Starting point is 00:45:27 Next, but I'm here and we need to get on this I gotta get on the art. Yeah, it's about to rain. I've got a spout to destroy humanity Hey, oh, sorry, sorry. Are you Noah? Yeah, I know we look like humans. We're actually we're podcasters. We are podcasters So it's different. Have you heard of Ono Ross and Carrie? We investigate spirituality, claims of the paranormal stuff like that. And you have a boat and say the world's gonna end so it seemed like something for us to check out. We would love to be on the boats. We came two by two. What do you think? Ono Ross and Carrie available on maximumfun.org. I'm Captain Captain Brinjen where the U.S. is for the UK. So they find the module and it's intact and this is great news, but back on Voyager, we find that a dark matter asteroid is inbound.
Starting point is 00:46:19 What is this thing? What are D.M.A. And it's going to attract the anomaly and it's going to be a big wall up when they hit. So they radio up, hey guys, Adventure Over, come on home. And Chicoete does not like this. He does not like that they're not going to get to bring the module with them. They just fucking found it. Commander, we're not leaving without that module.
Starting point is 00:46:45 Are you on Chicoete's side here? Really made me think a lot, because the episode does so much to emphasize that being on Voyager is not just about doing missions, but it's being an explorer, an scientist, and so forth. This is what Chicoete is doing. There's a tension between like the hierarchy of the pseudo military system and like the desire
Starting point is 00:47:15 to explore and it's fully present in this scene. It's interesting because like the pace and the sequence of events from this moment are, you know, we have four minutes to get out. That's how long they have until this asteroid hits. And he goes like, okay, throw the tractor on the module. We're taking it with us. And I feel like Tom and Sevin spending time protesting this order that
Starting point is 00:47:45 override something that they just heard they kept and tell him is about as much time as they would have needed to just get it done. I don't want to talk about it. Get it done. I think part of it too is that Chicoote isn't fully aware of what's going on. Like Chicoote consults the computer and it's like, a dark matter asteroid is made out of matter with an extreme amount of gravity. And they went pan over to seven and she's like, what, you're gonna track your beam?
Starting point is 00:48:16 The Aries module? We don't have enough time. You're gonna kill somebody. So he overrides them. They're trying to get this thing out and as they go through the kind of outer edge of the anomaly Chicoetay catches some war-flightening for his trouble. This huge banger hits the ship and the engines are destroyed and now like they have no combs, no engines, no nothing on the Delta flyer,
Starting point is 00:48:47 and they're stuck inside. And they only have two hours left before the anomaly slips into subspace and they're like stranded forever. Yeah. The stakes have gotten really high in a very short amount of time. Not good.
Starting point is 00:49:04 Not good. And it's all Chicoete's fault. The issue of guilt, I think, hang so heavy on this episode from here on. And that Chicoete never apologizes. What do you make of Chicoete dealing with that part of it? Like, as he's laid up and he's with an angry seven, and like, I think ordinarily, there would be a moment there where you drop rank and go like, I just got excited. Like, I'm an explorer. You see, I'm trying to explain this to you.
Starting point is 00:49:38 We're all explorers out here. You're the weird one. Instead, he wakes up and it's like the module, and she's like, shut up. Yeah, we're in trouble. And he's like, if you tried this and she's like, yes, we tried that. He's like, have you thought about like
Starting point is 00:49:53 rebrowding EM power and she's like, he's doing that thing that happens all the time where like the person who caused the problem starts presenting solutions to the problem they caused. And everyone caught up in the fixing of the issue is like, stop talking. Yeah. You're not helping.
Starting point is 00:50:12 And furthermore, we don't want your help. She like throws a pad at him with the damage report on it and it's like, do a little studying before you open your mouth next time. Yeah. Very funny. Like he's like, hey, say what the situation is again without the attitude. And she like doubles down. Fuck you to co-tay for that. That was shitty, I thought. Hey, here's a question for you.
Starting point is 00:50:38 When this anomaly goes back into subspace, is it like event horizon going back into hell? Is it only an emergency to them because they will be gone from Voyager and somewhere that is a mystery to them at this point or do people die on subspace? I don't know. I mean, I thought that the ship went into subspace when it went to warp, but maybe you need a warp field to protect yourself from subspace. This is the Star Trek science I started thinking about at the time. I was, because no one ever says like, we'll never see them again.
Starting point is 00:51:12 It's almost unstated what the danger is. And it felt to me like maybe it was just, they were going to go somewhere that they couldn't predict. She tore a hole in our universe. It gave way to another dimension. And Shikote, if you're a true explorer, maybe that's what you want. You clearly don't have a shot with Janeway anymore.
Starting point is 00:51:31 He's pretty bruised up. He does start to look a little bit like he needs a liberate moment towards the end of this episode. And maybe he would be easier on the eyes for everyone around him if they didn't need eyes to see. Oh my God. So they have a Magglofflin group over Zoom. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:56 They get Combs back and this Magglofflin group is about like, what are we gonna do to get them out? And there's like a bit of an Apollo 13 energy to this, like mission control trying to talk the module through like a fix and BLT comes up with the idea that there's an ion distributor over on the Ares 4 module that could be reworked to fix the thing that is broken in the flyer and get their engines back online. And so 7 of 9 is going to be the thing that is broken in the flyer and get their engines back online.
Starting point is 00:52:27 And so 7 of 9 is going to be the one that actually has to beam over to the module to get it because if Tom does it, then they don't have a pilot on board. Yeah. What a pickle. And that it has to be 7 feels like the greatest injustice of all time to Jicote. Yeah. And the changing room on the Delta Flyer is the same as the infirmary on the Delta Flyer
Starting point is 00:52:51 because it's a small ship. So she has to get into the spacesuit in the same room that he's lying on a bed. And it's weird like changing rooms across the centuries always have that problem where like no matter how hard you jerk the curtain, the curtain never meets the wall cleanly. And like you never want to be in a changing room where Chicoate is jerk and a curtain.
Starting point is 00:53:14 One of our more interesting missions. So seven beams over after getting the order from our commanding officer like, hey, enjoy the historical moment that you're about to step into. As soon as seven beams away, Chicoate gets back down to Curtin Jerkin. She materializes in the module. I thought it was very interesting how they handled the remains of Lieutenant Kelly in this. Like we see the hand, but we never see the like, you know, the joint compound
Starting point is 00:53:47 dobbed onto the skeleton corpse prop, you know? You really need to have great corpse confidence to like show face here. Yeah. And I'm glad they didn't. I thought it was like artful that they didn't, because it's sort of about them honoring like a kindred soul from Earth's past.
Starting point is 00:54:08 And Seven puts a gadget on the wall and it fires up his logs from after he was inside the anomaly. So she starts to work on this piece of equipment that she's there to pick up. But these logs kind of play over the comms on the flyer, and then we start to kind of cut back into the past and see these logs from his perspective as he was recording them. Be sure to take the road out of the ship and go through it. Go through it. What do you make of Seven never telling them
Starting point is 00:54:48 that the body's there? Like, is there so much excitement to hear these log entries? Seven's never like, boy, if you're excited about that, you should see what I'm seeing. And then she just hears over the calm in her helmet, Paris and Jacote, who would both have loved to be there until they hear this just going, HURRURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURURUR You like tilts the camera down and it's clear that Lieutenant John has used the last of his oxygen to jack it. This time, not a grits.
Starting point is 00:55:30 That's like the ultimate nut, right? Oh, yeah. You're on a space capsule and you're running out of oxygen. You don't need the bag and the belt at that point. Why was he jerking curtain? He was alone. Yeah, you don't need to be jerking curtain when you're the only crew person on that space capsule.
Starting point is 00:55:48 I like the moment where he just sees like a chunk of debris and he realizes that he's seeing another spacecraft or like a piece of another spacecraft out there and he's realizing like, I'm not alone in the universe. Like, whatever this is has gotten me and has gotten other species too. But there's nothing you can do about that. Do you think they thought about making that ship something familiar? Yeah, it's like a forangi corpse tumbles by and it's frozen.
Starting point is 00:56:20 Yeah, I thought a lot about that. And I wonder if they did do. Yeah. About how bizarre to make that moment. but it's a ship of unknown origin. Before Seven gets over and we see the hand in his crash couch, I really thought that they were going to have him be in a tube frozen. Yeah, because you do get that a lot in Star Trek, don't you? And a lot lately, in Voyager. Yeah. So I really thought that that's where this was gonna be headed.
Starting point is 00:56:49 And I like that this goes in such a different direction. You get unfrozen caveman astronaut being woken up after the frost is wiped away from us too. He's like, Listen, I don't understand your transporter beams in your warp-ness cells. I'm a simple Erie's for astronaut. I use a Type III eye-on drive. My primitive mind can't grasp these concepts. You gotta give me the buck score from the King's game.
Starting point is 00:57:18 It's the only thing I care about. So Seven gets the gadget and like, as she's doing this, it's pretty clear from the logs that Lieutenant Kelly sort of like descended into a certain amount of madness. Like he tried to rescue himself at some point and failed and you know is resigned to the fact that he's going to die but also feels like this misadventure kind of proves out the urge of humans to go to the stars. If you're on a space mission and the odds aren't looking good for your survival, I think the very worst thing you can do is pick up a picture of you and your loved one.
Starting point is 00:58:00 I mean, that's just a death sentence, right? You see it all the time. Don't touch the picture. That's the space-minish and equivalent of coughing up a little bit of blood. I know. You're fucking doomed the second you make physical contact with that Polaroid.
Starting point is 00:58:16 Yeah. No good. Well, at the last minute, seven decides, not only to bring back the ion drive thing, but also to download the database. She also slaps her con badge on Lieutenant Kelly's onesie. Just like shatters it. It's been in there for hundreds of years,
Starting point is 00:58:41 and it just explodes into a really gross kind of dust. It's extremely fine. Yeah. I think dust. She comes back with the corpse. They get this gizmo plugged in and they're like there's a great exciting escape sequence where they get out just in time, like the Voyager has to tractor them at the last minute before the subspace hole opens and sucks the anomaly in. One camera move really doesn't work for me in this episode. And that is the Q-throw and bouncy cam above the nav station as BLT and Janeway
Starting point is 00:59:22 are working on this problem during the climactic moment. Oh, you didn't like that. That really bumped me, but it did. It's very handheld. Yeah. It feels handheld and held over someone's head. Yeah. I think that the goal of that is to make it feel kind of frantic, which, you know, the
Starting point is 00:59:41 handheld shot often does, but um... But a frantic handheld shot should be closer than that. Like a wide shot, I think ruins the effect in my mind. Yeah. Well, they make it out. Seven holds up that tricorder as they watch the whole close up. And I really felt the one is none risk of that, like that amazing database that they would never have gotten a chance to access is like the only copy of it's on that tricorder. Yeah. Yeah. And in Janeway's log, she is pretty psyched about all of the information she's got available that they get to go through. But first, a eulogy. Yeah. They have this funeral on the bridge, which I've never seen before. Yeah. I wonder if that was
Starting point is 01:00:32 all about the honor they were trying to convey to John Kelly. Like, if you're anyone else, you're a mess hall funeral. But if you're a historical figure and a hero, and in inspiration, you get yours on the bridge. So Janeway speaks, and then Seven speaks, and it's pretty clear that Seven has learned a lot today. The spirit of exploration has, to some extent, infected her, and we get to see Jakote and the EMH listening in from 6 Bay. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:11 Well, bad for Jakote. Like Jakote is definitely in trouble after this, right? Absolutely. Yeah. Like, we don't get to see him getting in trouble with the captain, but like, for sure, that happens later. I really love how everyone sort of winces when Seven begins her eulogy,
Starting point is 01:01:30 because she does this in a very seven kind of way. I did not know this individual. And if you don't know, or you might think she's doing bits, and I was listening to a podcast where one of the questions was like, how do you do a good wedding efficient job? And one of the tips for that was like, always make sure that you ask the people getting
Starting point is 01:01:54 married whether or not bits are welcome for that moment or if they just wanted serious or if they just wanted a certain way, like always check. Yeah. And for seven to do a eulogy without checking for bits first, like without getting the okay, I think is a very funny moment for her. Mm-hmm. But she can only ever be who she is. And these aren't bits to her, you know? These are bits to everyone else. Yeah, because what defines a bit is to some, the sincerity of the person doing it, right?
Starting point is 01:02:26 Exactly. I try to explain myself to my wife in that way. It's just my personality. Let me tell you something, Ben. That is not a good explanation for the way I am. That's not how it works. That's not how any of this works. So they beam the coffin to the photon torpedo launcher
Starting point is 01:02:49 and then launch them from there. Yeah. Or are there pallbearers that take him physically through like, they take him to the, That's the longest 17 seconds they're ever gonna spend. Yeah. They take him to the lift and they like have to tilt up the torpedo
Starting point is 01:03:05 to fit it in there. They just hear him slump against one end of the coffin. Whatever wasn't powder when seven slapped the combat to his shoulder becomes powder on that lift ride. Tom Paris was like, do they cremate him? They're like, no. That's just the texture he was. They cremate him. They're like, no. That's just the texture he was. Did seven take off his wedding ring? Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:31 She's just like wearing it on our pinky for the rest of the series. It would be fun as hell if like in the cargo bay, like she's got some personal items. They're one of them as that guy's ring. Yeah. Mission patch. Yeah. Wedding ring. Hahaha. Mission patch. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:46 Wedding ring. Where'd you get these? Yeah. Did you like this episode, Ben? You know, I made it easy to get along with most of the time. But I don't like bullets, I don't like threats, and I don't like you. I love this too. I did.
Starting point is 01:04:01 I really like this episode. I think this episode kept surprising me in the kind of direction it took itself and that it was a really sweet episode about space exploration and like the human spirit and the idea of being alone and knowing you're going to die and the... And how you wanna make that last row happen? Right, yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:25 Just which curtain you want a jerk? When, like, I mean, that's, when you're truly alone like that. Yeah. I mean, you could say that when you're truly alone for the last time, you don't have to go to the jerk in curtain. Yeah. But I thought it was also a really nice seven character episode.
Starting point is 01:04:47 I think that the thing that's kind of tricky about writing the character of Seven is like, we don't really know what it's like to be a drone, you know, in the like TNG episodes that introduce the Borgs. So Seven is a bit of a tabular raza in terms of like her describing what it's like. And they keep coming up with like really interesting if this, then this moments for that character. Like, yeah, if she was a drone, she probably wouldn't care that much about going and seeing something for the first time or like learning a really interesting piece of human history. Cause like, who cares?
Starting point is 01:05:24 Like, we want biological and technological distinctiveness, not history. You said something really interesting about it being a good seven episode, you know, due to growth. But my feeling was like, I thought it was unfortunate that seven was portrayed as kind of a nagging partner about the hobby she doesn't understand and doesn't necessarily approve of. I had a hard time not disliking her for that moment because it really does feel like boys club against seven in a, why can't you understand like how cool the space mission was and how much we
Starting point is 01:05:59 look up to this space man or whatever. Like maybe it was the gang up feeling of that that made me feel that way. But it is better that she came to her own conclusions at the end, not because of the gang up, but because she truly grew to appreciate what happened because she was there to witness that in person. She got to beam over to history and see how that went down. She grew on her own without being heranged by these crew people and do it.
Starting point is 01:06:35 I think that's good. She her own heranged her way into history. Yeah. This is one of those episodes, though, that is very like, isn't Star Trek great, and isn't Space Travel great, isn't Exploring Space great? Like, it's a very pro Star Trek world view show.
Starting point is 01:06:55 It is, and I'm down for anything that's pro Star Trek. Yeah, absolutely. Cause I am pro Star Trek, Adam. We are a pro Star Trek podcast. And we are also a pro priority one message podcast. Should we head over to the inbox and see what's going on in there? Oh, Ben, oh no.
Starting point is 01:07:12 These are frozen. Don't touch them too hard. I can break into a million pieces. Yeah. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. I need a supplement. You need a supplemental link. Supplement?
Starting point is 01:07:26 Supplement. Supplement. Yes, extra. How the interest alone could be enough to buy this ship? Out of my first priority one message is from Past Zach, and it's the Future Zach, goes like this. Here in March 2023, you've just quit your job at a Dominion-esque tech conglomerate and are using your unemployment to finally get cut up on TGG. Hopefully by now you've found work that aligns with your values and are watching episodes
Starting point is 01:07:55 avoid or contemporaneously with Ben and Adam. Congrats on this exciting new chapter. Wow, Futuresack, I hope PastZack is called the shot and you are in fact doing something more closely aligned with what you wanna do. I love this, forZack, taking the shot. Yeah, you gotta take the shot. It's a big risk, right? Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:08:21 I mean, I don't think that using your fun employment to catch up on our show is a great use of your time I'm just gonna put that out there, but I Think the entire system and I'm gesturing broadly For the friends of DeSoto watching at home is set up to make you feel Safest you know right where you are and not taking risks, especially with your career. Yeah. So, I want to encourage people to follow their value systems like Passac here.
Starting point is 01:08:53 Yeah. Good job, Passac. Because it creates a better future for both Zach and everyone else when you do that. Yeah, where'd it go? If I didn't take a risk, we wouldn't be doing this show. That's true. Same goes for you. I think that we do this show in spite of our values, not the cause of them.
Starting point is 01:09:13 Very true. Ben, our second priority one message is from Peter, it is to Aaron, she who is my loving wife. That message goes like this, Aaron, in honor of our 10-year wedding anniversary, I love you more than ever. I can't wait to continue our journey. I'm so glad. You also love this show. Greatest trek. And let's drink about it.
Starting point is 01:09:33 Hey! To Adam and Ben, thank you so much. You probably can't get Lizzy and Chris back together for this P1, but if you're willing, we need a drink to celebrate. Oh, man. 10-year wedding anniversary. I mean, you know that there is a, let's drink about it, show,
Starting point is 01:09:51 that you could ask this question of. Yeah, that's true. A doppel show. That's stolen your graphics. Yeah. That's stolen your concept. Yeah, so we recently discovered a podcast slash, I guess like YouTube slash Instagram show. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:09 Just help themselves to the name and the graphic of let's drink about it, but whatever. I'm trying to think of a cocktail on the fly for Peter and Aaron. 10 years is great. Yeah. Congratulations, first of all. Maybe look at French 75. That's a cocktail with a little champagne in it. I love that idea.
Starting point is 01:10:27 Great call. That's a very festive cocktail. Yeah. Not difficult to make, either. No, and I feel like you want some boobs in that celebration cocktail, you know? Agreed. You can really stretch your champagne
Starting point is 01:10:39 a long way in a French 75. Yeah. That's good stuff. Yeah. I remember actually making a French 75. Yeah, it's good stuff. Yeah. I remember actually making a French 75 for an episode of Let's Drink About It that I recorded from a hotel room in Seattle and I had to go by a bottle of champagne
Starting point is 01:10:55 in like downtown Seattle at like 9 a.m. because that was when we were recording and I went into like three different convenience stores before I found one that had champagne in stock. And the guy was looking at me sideways, like, why are you in here? In like, board shorts and flip flops buying a bottle of champagne in the morning.
Starting point is 01:11:16 Like, what kind of alcoholic are you? You're a guy that likes a weekday brunch. Yeah, clearly. So it would seem. Well, anyways, if you'd like to get a priority one message, at themaximumfun.org slash JemboTron and get one set up, Tud-Hey!
Starting point is 01:11:34 Hey, Ben, what's that Adam? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? Granada! Drunk Shimoda! I did, I'm gonna give it to the EMH. Piccardo only has two scenes in this episode and the second scene is the one that the Shimoda is for. The EMH can come to the bridge for the funeral. Sure can. But the EMH does not. The EMH just stands in six bay. Not that was really funny. Do you think that's passive aggression?
Starting point is 01:12:07 Like to shit on chicote even more? There's nothing I'd love more than to be a part of history during this funeral. But instead, I'm stuck with the guy who caused this whole mess. Yeah, it's gotta be something like that. The fact that he's just standing there next to the bio bed, standing at attention really made me laugh. I thought that was a funny moment.
Starting point is 01:12:29 So he's my drunk tomato. How about you? I'm gonna make mine seven for the eulogy. What a moment. Do you think that you can follow the captain of the ship? Yeah. The fucking balls on her for that. It is a bit like being really drunk at the wedding and the maid of honor has just made her speech and seven gets up and is
Starting point is 01:12:52 like, hold on, I got one thing to add. I just, you know, it is funeral bridesmaid energy. Yeah. It's incredible. And you got to be sure when you shoot that shot, you're going to hit it. Yeah. Because great moment not cutting back to Janeway here for the what the fuck that I think anyone would have in a moment like this. You know when you're the captain of the ship, there's a couple of things you need to do. Always make sure your uniforms, crisp and wrinkle free. always go down with the ship, and always get the last word at a funeral. That would be nice.
Starting point is 01:13:30 Yeah. Well, good Shemota, Adam. At this point in the episode, I got a head over to Gach that biz slash game, don't I? Sure do you, Ben. That's where we keep the game of Buttholes, the will of the caretaker. Next week we will be reviewing season 6 episode 9, The Voyager Conspiracy. Seven uncovers a conspiracy to keep Voyager stranded in the Delta Quadrant. On the game board we're on square 51. Looks like we could hit a canar with demar or a caretaker square, depending on what I roll.
Starting point is 01:14:06 You're required to learn as you play. Roll. I'm going to go ahead and roll this bone to see what we got in store for next week's episode. And in my roll day 6, Tula! Did I win? I'll be. Jumping us over both of those were on Square 57 regular episode next week. Whoa!
Starting point is 01:14:29 How about that? Help about it. I was not predicting that at all. You know, we had a one in three chance of doing something weird and we didn't. Amazing. Shocked by that. But regular episodes tend to get weird all in their own band. It's true. It's true. Well, I'm excited to get weird with you next week. In the
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Starting point is 01:15:22 Hey, that's a great idea. Drop a star on the show, on Overcast. That's easy. Follow our YouTube account. Last I looked, we were really close to 3,000 subscribers on our YouTube channel. That's amazing. Be really exciting to get up over a big number like that.
Starting point is 01:15:38 Of course, you can watch the Code 47 from the beginning of this episode there. If you want to see all the stuff we opened up. Oh yeah, that's big fun. And we're posting episodes on our YouTube channel every week as well. So if you wanna listen in a tab in your browser at work, subtly, you could do that.
Starting point is 01:15:57 Oh, I love that idea. Yeah, hopefully you work in a workplace that doesn't block YouTube. Hopefully you don't work in a bullshit workplace. Our workplace is grateful to have windy pretty as a producer editor, Bill Tilly, social media manager, Adam Magusia, who made the original theme music for the show and dark material. Who made the original card song.
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