The Greatest Generation - Daddy Vicc (DS9 S7E10)

Episode Date: October 19, 2020

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I'm Adam Pranaka. I'm trying to put a little embarrassment into my performance of my own voice. I can hear it. I like it. Yeah. Yeah. I can't believe I haven't tried that before now. Yeah, it only took us 400 episodes. Now that lower decks exist, I'm interested in,

like, am I a voice performer? Could we credibly get a gig as a background character on that show that gets blown into space. I would like to. I think your chances are better than mine. I find when I listen to myself back again, I'm a little too slurry. I think I'm a little loose with my annunciation. I need to really tighten that shit up if I want to go pro. That's because so much day drinking with you. I know. It's become impossible to hide anytime you hear an ad break and it's one of my

ads you can tell. Oh boy. That's gotten into the bottle. Adam is three sheets as he tells us about this food delivery system. this food delivery system. I feel like we've been on tour and drunk enough together where I feel like I could ask you this question. I could get an honest answer. How do you know that I'm drunk?

Am I very obviously drunk to you when I'm drunk? I feel like I'm a pretty good, chill drunk. Like you might not know it. Yeah, you're a chill drunk. I'm not flipping over tables. I think we're both like that. We don't get mean or or punchy or or sad or anything like that. Look at us defending our drinking choices. Look at how healthy we are. Yeah. I our drinking choices. Look at how healthy we are. I removed the Shimoda box from my phone bin. If you've noticed me completely bailing from one of our shared tasks a couple of weeks ago, I had an epiphany, which was, I don't think this is anyone's specific fault. So if you see yourself in this description, I'm not talking about you. But I would often, like, when I wake up, I'm going to grab a coffee, I'm going to check

my email. That's a normal way to begin a day, I think, for most people. I'd read the Shimoda box and most of the time it was, hey, you probably didn't know you were fucking this up, but I'm just gonna let you know how, in fact, you are fucking this up. And here's why, love the show. I couldn't deal with that, drag anymore. So I got rid of it.

I never had it on my phone. I always have to launch the email program on my computer to look at the DrunkShimota at gmail.com. So it feels. I like the intentionality of that choice. Yeah. I felt like I automated it in a way that was bad for me. I think it's good to have some boundaries there.

Yeah. More and more. Yeah. I just want to talk about StartRick with my friend. Right. And it's not that we don't want to find out that the thing we thought was a miniature was actually CG or whatever. I think that's generally interesting information to receive.

It's just not like the first thing you encounter from another human being in the morning, being a you were wrong about X is a drag. Yeah, I think that's my point. I'm trying to deploy strategies that give me the best chance of having a not shitty day. And I think it's about stacking up enough moments that don't make me feel bad if I can possibly do it, like avoiding opportunities to feel like shit. I'm not even, I'm not even seeking out things to make me feel good. I'm just trying to avoid the bad if I can. Right. Let's start by not backsliding. Right.

I mean, I feel like this needs to be its own segment, right? Like a new regular segment where it's co-host therapy. Yeah. Now, look at me. I just hopped up on your couch, Ben made myself at home and I just, I just need to talk. We're put on the white noise machine so that my other co-host out in the hallway, I can't hear what we're talking about. Hey, it smells nice in here. Is that a candle? Yeah, a little scented candle. I don't care for it, but it's good patient relations. Kind of a lot of boxes of tissues around here,

a suspicious amount of tissues, if you ask me. I don't think they're all for faces either. Yeah. And when the pandemic started, we were worried that tissues were gonna be next on the list of items that were hard to come by. And I mean, I don't need to tell you what would happen if I didn't have lots of tissues around. You know what I like about your office is that you keep it playful, right?

It's not just a waste paper basket. There's a little, a little mini basketball hoop over there. So I can, I can throw them away like that. Make a little bit out of it. Yeah. Don't shine a black light around that mini basketball hoop. I can throw them away like that. Make a little game out of it. Don't shine a black light around that mini basketball hoop. And what's going on here seems pretty pervy, doesn't it? Do you think there's a shitty kind of therapy patient that uses up a bunch of cry tissues and then just leaves them in a pile

on the coffee table or on the floor? God, that has to be annoying, right? But you can't say anything. You just don't want to make them feel bad. No, not in that way. You think you can pick up your cry tissues? Larry? Yeah.

Ben. Hey, Ben, I'm going to need you to put a couple bucks on the tissue jar just because I feel like you're using more than your fair allotment of tissues to be honest. There's kind of an average that we expect of each patient. We build that into what we charge, but some people go a little over. In your case, we're going to ask you to compensate for that somewhat. That's, God, that is, that's a half hour Larry goes to therapy episode of curb right there. We're constructing, right?

Yeah, yeah. What am I doing paid for tissues? That's your expense. I had some gum in my mouth. I didn't want to have the gum in my mouth when I talked about my feelings. That's a tissue right there. Yeah. And then like really great casting for the therapist.

Like you definitely recognize him from something. You can't quite put your finger on it. Oh, did he have like a recurring role on how I met your mother or something? Yeah. Yeah, I've always wanted to see an actor like that in a role like this. Wow. Well, speaking of actors like that in a role like this, this is one of those episodes, isn't it? Yeah, and a highly therapeutic episode. This is one I, we recorded just lower decks last week as of this recording. And I thought we were recording one lower decks and one greatest gin. So I watched this two times now.

I watched it again to get ready for today. And it is, it's a really intense episode. It also keeps striking me how much it has in common like storybeat wise with episode 9 of lower decks, which is also about an extended holiday therapy sash. Oh my god, therapy works. Guys, therapy works! That's much jokier, obviously, than this, but I don't know if people listen to the hit Star Trek podcast, the greatest discovery, or are watching lower decks.

But, uh, well, if you're a friend of DeSoda, you're at least subscribed and downloading. Yeah. That's, that's how you do it. That's the least you could do, right? I believe so. Then let's, uh, let's get to it. It's season seven, episode 10 of Deep Space Nine. It's called, it's only a paper moon. Rum is so nervous to see his son, Nog. He's been away. He's been off getting his leg put back on or his fake leg put on in place of his real leg.

He's got like Luke Skywalker leg. Real leg for my real friends. Stinky leg for my favorite friend. I don't know how that goes. I just started something I couldn't finish. Yeah, he really did not stick the landing on that, but I liked the try. This is, I mean, there are a lot of beats in this story that are just very sad. And it starts right away with why art, nag, and rom, and Lita talking ever really throughout his recuperation and recovery from this. I mean, the nerves stem from the unknown, right? Right. And I think lead is the one that gives this voice. She's

like, you know, we haven't really been able to connect over the FaceTime. She's been writing him letters and he's not writing back. She's trying to, I think she's been trying to respect his space by writing letters instead of calling, because it's like a, you know, look at this on your own time. I didn't even turn on read receipts on this iPad thing, you know? I don't feel like enough is made of Lida's stepmombness. You know? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Like, I think that could be a really interesting tension to explore, but very little of Lita's discomfort in this moment is constructed around the, hey, I'm your dad's new wife, and I'm trying to have a relationship with you, and I know you're going through a thing, and just want to say I'm here. Like, Lita, unfortunately, kind of makes it about her a little bit. I think that she and Ram just don't know what to expect here. And what to expect when you're expecting your son to return from war? You're wounded warrior.

Coming home. Yeah, classic, classic self-help book. Yeah, but I mean, I agree. I think there's an episode that we could have gotten that is the, what is the ROM, Nog, Lita family dynamic? And that could have been an interesting version of telling this story. But instead, we just get this like one moment.

And I feel like, I feel like what Lita is giving voice to is the writers realizing, like, oh shit. Yeah, I guess Lita is giving voice to is the writers realizing like oh shit Yeah, I guess Lita is technically nugs step mom now. So what does that mean? Well, we only have three Lines of dialogue for her character in this episode. So let's get as much of Let's like get as much of that across as possible because we may never come back to this as a topic Nog's mom has got it going on. I'm here to say. Nox mom has got it going.

Yeah. Everybody's nervous at them. This scene does good work to foreshadow what's coming up next and how wrong everyone gets it, right? Because Lida and and Ram are guessing about what it's going to be. The rest of the crew has invested in how they believe it's going to be. They think gathering together outside of the airlock with a like fast casual restaurant birthday song, you know, as sung and clapped by the crew is going to make them feel better, but it doesn't.

The like, the crew is doing some light bit work with Nug when he emerges. And I think we need to add maybe a lower case of B to the already existing rule of greatest gen, which goes like no bits on tips maybe maybe no bits on returning veterans Would be would be an addendum to that maybe feel them out kind of see where they're they're at with The injury that they recently sustained before you start going like hey strong as a nox ready to get back to work Adaboy Yeah ready to kick some ass with your good leg No, yeah, yeah, you don't want to step into that one Yeah, ready to kick some ass with your good leg, nog?

Yeah. Yee. Yeah. You don't want to step into that one. I don't know what I did it again. I don't know what the comfortable version of this is though, right? Like if they hadn't shown up, that's even worse. Right.

Yeah, you got to be there. It's just making a choice of what you do once you are. And unfortunately, everyone chooses the same thing. Everyone chooses to give a little shit. He is in no mood for that. And shit isn't the right tone. Yeah. He has the captain, his orders, which are to not do anything

until he's healed up. Medical leave. How could that be? That leads to the invite to party that goes over like a lead balloon. Rescheduling a party in the 24th century seems like a far easier thing to do when all of your shit is replicated, right? Right, yeah, all the canopies just go right back into the replicator system. Are those the larried canopies?

I don't think anyone's making a cake from scratch, right? Cisco's the kind of guy that would, but he would like cut an egg open with a knife, and you'd be like, what the fuck are you doing? I thought you were a chef. His fucked up carrot cake has like real big, punks of carrot in it. You're supposed to grate the carrot, Cisco.

You don't cut little pieces out with a paring knife. Uh-huh. Is this a wedding ring? What are you doing? We get a very first blood kind of solitary walk to the door of the airlock here. You, uh, visiting somebody around here?

For Nog. It's pretty rough. He walks himself into theme. And after the break, it's no surprise that Ezri is going to be heavily involved in his reintegration into his old life. We need to find an outlet for all that rage. Have you ever made paella? That begins with kind of a ketchup sash.

Ezri's doing all the talking. I think that is a sign of some trouble here. Nag is kind of looking out into the middle distance. Yeah. Ezri catches him up on the tee. I have to expect Miles to start wearing your coonskin cap to work. Right.

And she does that like so anything you want to talk about? And he cites specifically the fact that he is walking with a limp and a cane. And the deal is he has medically passed muster. Everything should be going great, but he is still in a great deal of pain. And when he doesn't use the cane, he's in even more pain. And this has been determined by trichorders to be something that is psychosomatic. The problems all in my head. Is that that there's anything wrong with the leg? It's that there's still something wrong emotionally with Nog. So, you know, you'd think Ezri would

be the natural person to help him through something like this. But I think both Nog is very hostile to therapy. And also, Ezri does not seem to have like a good plan of treatment. I agree. Do you think, and I think this is the right time to ask this question, do you think it's a mistake not to show the leg? Because we're given

an idea that it's just like the other leg and it's fine. Like, it should feel like normal and what Nog is experiencing is a kind of phantom limb syndrome, maybe, but maybe it isn't due to the tricorders. But I wonder if they thought about showing the leg and decided not to for any reason besides budget. Yeah, they had to cut the scene where he goes to the deep space nine indoor pool and walks around in a speedo. Is the suggestion that the leg looks just like his other leg because I wonder how much biosynthetic it maybe is just

like impossible to tell the difference. I wonder what that does to you as a viewer if you see it. If we hear that he shouldn't be having a problem, but also see that it looks exactly like his other leg, does that not help us feel empathy for nog up front? Yeah, that's a good question. I don't know. I mean, he's clearly like super down and it is a real different version of nog than we've gotten.

Like he's always been like almost obnoxiously enthusiastic with the way he plays his character. Did it almost look like to you that his makeup was a little different? He, like more lines in it maybe. Like I think they made him look weaker or more put on. Yeah, maybe that's what it is. The cane is gonna be the representation of this problem

and is need for it. The Queen wins. Fatality. and his need for it. Win's futility. It's been two months since the siege, AR558 we find out, and the early part of this episode is just about nog walking around in civilian clothes and feeling bad for himself. Like, he's lying in his room 18 hours a day,

playing Vic Fontaine records to the point where Jake has to come in and like beg him to shut the radio off because he's just playing the same song on loop. Enough is enough. I think it's sweet that the crew wanted to give Nagaparti when he showed up, but I think it would have been more appreciated to have his own quarters.

Right? I mean, if he was on a starship, he'd be in a bunk bed hallway, right? Like, he's just an answer. He's lucky that he has a double. Do you think when Picard cranked burlyos in Star Trek first contact, you could hear it through the wall? The way the way that you could hear Vic Fontaine through the wall in this scene. Yeah, that's what brought Riker into the room. He's a...

It's been a long... Yeah. Now, it doesn't want to do it. And this is another instance where, like, for some reason, Jake is bringing it with, with like two barrels, right? On the one hand, he doesn't want to hear this fucking song again. On the other, this is another expression of a friend doting. Yeah.

It's... I thought it was interesting that these were the couple of moments that they gave Jake because Jake is in that scene at the beginning when Nog comes in, but he's like way in the background. Like he is a, you know, like, oh yeah, I know, I know Nog from work. We're not super close, but I'll go be there for him when he comes back from the hospital.

Like their best buds, he should have been the first person to like run up and give Nog a big ol' hug. For some reason, Jake isn't wondering whether or not he should sign the birthday card going around the office. Obviously, you can recognize my name. We've only interacted a couple of times. I mean, it's been pleasant. I think they do a good job with Nog. It's seeing him outside of his uniform, I think, is another aspect to making him feel kind of

weakened. And I think part of it is that he's wearing so much clothing. civilian clothing makes him look even smaller than he is usually, you know. civilian for rinky clothing that is specifically kind of doubty. It's not it's not as he doesn't have like bling the way quirk does. He looks kind of, he has grandpa vibes with the cane and the colors that he's wearing. What was the word to use there? Doudy? Doudy, yeah.

Yeah. If his clothes, if his clothing were more... Did you ever mention my species? I didn't think he looked particularly like a doud. Then again, we can look like whatever we went. Whenever anyone critishes his my... Clothing choices, I... Destroy all other clothing everywhere.

And then I'm like... It's all I got. It's all that's perishable to wear. What are you gonna do now? N-Nare that you're naked, you have to dress just like me. Or else... Don't freak with me. N-Nare that you're naked, you have to dress just like me, or else. Don't frack with me. My conscience went out the window a long time ago. I realized I could never get clean again. You know, if you described Nog's clothes as gaudy, it would mean that he had that finished putting them on.

Wow, it's a right complicated build. It's taken decades. Speaking of sleep, the next scene is where Cisco and Ezri kind of do the download. And we learn that he's been sleeping just a very enviable amount. Ben, 18 hours is what he's getting. Whew. You're just a new person after, after an 18 hour shift, right? Well, man, uh, the bad news is he's, he's been skipping his PT. So that's a concern. And, uh, Ezri and Cisco are the type that want to do something. Like this is news that, that they view as actionable,

but maybe laying back in the cut and seeing where Nog wants to go with this is a better plan. And so that's what they end up doing. Jake has yelled at Nog, like, go, like, get yourself out of here, go rent a hollow suite. And I think what Jake imagined Nog would do is not go listen to the same song just in a different room. But right, the suggestion is that he blasts. Yeah.

Yeah. That would, that helps everyone. But. Right. But Nug goes and fires up the Vic Fontaine program and has him run through every arrangement of paper moon that he knows. And we get like flashbacks in this episode

in a way that is pretty unusual for Star Trek. The flashback to not getting shot plays when he's on his way to the hollow suite. Star Trek! And later there's a flashback of not like lying on a biobad in Star Trek caves in the aftermath of getting shot, asking Bashir, what's with this weird music, and learning about Vic Fontaine.

Did they use the same visual language for all the flashbacks? Because I remember a dip to white before the first one. And I sort of recall that being the only time they used that technique. Yeah, I don't think they use it on the second one, but it stuck out to me because, especially flashing back to, like, that's, I think, a scene that wasn't in AR558. That's right, and that's why the language would be different.

Yeah. It's interesting. I had a very bad experience with a dip to white transition back in my corporate video days. Oh, no. Sometimes you just need to know your audience. And I thought that would be a useful transition for a project I was working on. And the client was like they had never seen a dip to white transition before ever, even

though I felt like it's a thing. You see it all the time. You see it in commercials. You see it in mostly in commercials, actually. But there is no... There's not a nonlinear editing program on the market that doesn't have a dip to color transition in the default package of filters and settings that you get. This was a transition I rarely used, but for whatever reason in this project, I felt

like it was right and they were like Yeah, what was up with that that mistake? In that edit it it looked like something was wrong. What happened there? I had to I had to teach my client about dip to white and then you can guess what happened next Yeah, Oh my god. Fuck those interactions forever. No dip to white in a podcast transition, brother. Those days are behind me.

You've heard them all. Now which ones are your favorite? So Vic does that thing that you really can't do, which is ask about the thing that's bothering Nog. Like, as soon as he walks in, it's like, hey, Nog, how's the leg? Not a good start. But, yeah, he performs this paper moon jam. This does really work for Nog.

We get lots of different shots of Nog sitting alone in the audience like really head nodding. I don't feel like they quite made the case that this is such a great comfort for him. I think this is a really good episode and a really great Aaron Eisenberg performance, but I don't think that they quite justified the Vic Fontaine connection here.

Like why the fuck, he would care about this in particular. Help me once when I was unhappy. I think there are examples from television and movies where characters who've experienced great trauma latch onto unusual things. Yeah. And this isn't totally a crazy idea, I think. It's a convenient one, maybe more convenient than maybe we'd like.

Hollisweat Rehab is going to be on the menu for him, and we get a really awkward throat a commercial at the end of this scene. It was very jarring to me. This was the scene that ends with nog saying, like, hey, according to regulations, I can have my rehab anywhere. How about I crash with you for a while? Right. Yeah, that does, that does fate. It is the rare fate to commercial and deep space that,

nine, that doesn't leave any tension that would, like, have you come back to watch the rest of the episode? I think the visual language of the Star Trek series up until now gives us a longer runway into commercial. I think part of it, it's related to the dip to white conversation we just had. Like, it's a strange dip to black speed here with the musical sting.

Right. That it was unusual. When we come back, we have a McLaughlin group. It's your walk. And it's... It's everyone besides Pat Buchanan talking about Pat Buchanan and how concerned they are about him. See, it should be reading a lot of like a mind conflately.

Right. Yeah, it's like you didn't learn the lessons of the 40s correctly. And it also serves as just a beat down of Bashir's Hollis Wheat Program references. Like at Bashir. How can hiding in one of Julian's adolescent programs be a good sign? Hey. He's like, you know I could lobotomize everyone at this year. How can hiding in one of Julian's adolescent programs be a good shine? Hey, he's like, you know, I could lobotomize everyone at this table. You'd never know it. It's also not the worst program that I use in that suite.

Programs that he could be running where if we open the door to the suite, urine would come flooding into the hallway. It'd be like a eureac, the shining. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Maybe we should let him play this out. Like maybe he's trying to like, he's trying to seek a therapeutic result from this just checking out of the world entirely situation. It's a very different reaction to what happened to Barclay when he was really into the Hollis suite, right? Like nobody tosses out the idea of hollow addiction or anything, and I thought that that would have been like, kind of a fun element to bring into this. Like, when do people in the 24th century think

that somebody is using the Hollis Suite in a pathological way? I'm guilty of a terrible crime, Dr. This episode gives you enough time to think about it before slamming the door on that thought with the idea that Vic Fontaine is just different, man. You know, like this program is unique, he is unique, his awareness of himself is unique, in a way that sort of forgives the pathology. Or if it doesn't forgive it, it obscures it. Yeah.

I mean, and I think that they also maybe get out of that implication by bringing quirk to the fore and having him be like a giant piece of shit about who's gonna pay for it. Right. Like, I think that you can kind of like distract from one pathology by waving another one in front of the viewer.

And it's very generous of you. So somebody better tell Vic what's going on here and it's Esri to do that. Vic seems game to help nog through a circumstances and that's nice. I have some ideas on how to win them off the stick. Okay, but don't push it. Vick's card again here is the jam for me.

A casual Vick container. Give me that action figure. That would be a good action figure. That's a good cosplay to wear to an STLV. I would love to see you in a nice 1950s cashmere sweater. And may I suggest you carry something with a little more style? To my dead state. Oh, I don't use the bucket anymore. Vic has been known to encourage the fucking

with people who hang out with him on the Holla Suite in his hotel suite. Do I seem to push you to your face? But instead, the hang that Vic and Nagar having has to do with watching old-timey television. Yeah, they're watching Shane on the TV. No! I've seen that dog in Shane. Yeah, they're watching Shane on the TV. I love seeing that dog in Shane. I love seeing a dog in a really old movie.

You know what else we need as an action figure? Noggle's addition Nog, where he's wearing his own sweater from this scene. Yeah, that's pretty good. He cleans up nice Nog. You know, it's fucked up about the Noggle's action figures. You get like a purple newspaper and a purple cane and a purple roll of casino blueprints. The little purple cane does make fire.

Right. You can light a cigar with it. Nog is kind of a TV petant, right? I kind of feel like you should have a podcast of what he's saying about the Shane program he's watching. He takes a good Shane getting shot and he's like, well what the hell, he's not even grabbing a shoulder. He seems fine, that's not what being shot is like.

Why Shane? Of all the things that they could spend money to license. Why Shane? I feel like later on they make a comparison to the rifleman or something as being a superior program. Maybe Shane writes for cheaper than riflemen rights. Wow. And that's why.

Damn. Shane's like one of the most, it's like, I think it's a classic Western though. Like, I don't know, I mean like, you never know what these things are gonna cost until you ask too. Like, we got the rights for war, what is it good for? I mean, I don't wanna say the actual price,

but it was like, I was expecting it to be like $100,000 and it was like, a lot, a lot, a lot less than I thought that it would be. Yeah, yeah, I agree. It's weird. It's weird depending on the song. That's for sure. And it's got to be weird. It's got to be a lot different depending on the show or maybe even the episode of that show. So Nog is hanging out on this couch and he's like, this couch hang rules. Let's just do this forever. And Vic is like, no, man, I gotta go. I gotta gig tonight. Like the

the people need Fontaine and I'm gonna give it to him. And Nog doesn't get this, he doesn't understand the show business rules that the show must go on. Vic can't leave these people hanging and Nog is like pretty disappointed, but he accepts the gift of a replica, Errol Flynn cane. You don't think there's an understudy for Vic Fontaine, right? Like, dick fountain.

Vic comes off as playing three-dimensional chess here, right? In a pretty interesting way, he's got tricks up his sleeve with the gift of this cane. Because on the one hand, Ben, this is the ugliest cane ever to exist. It's beautiful. It is really awful looking. Reminds me of the Grand Nakedist Staff. What the hell were you thinking, Errol Flynn? Yeah, yeah, just an embarrassment of a cane, and also it's super fragile. Yeah. You want to make it easily breakable. Great, but what's it for?

Yeah, don't put your whole weight on it. It's bakelite, not plastic. And the nog is like, oh, cool. I mean, I don't have to. And you know, like this does seem like easing nog into the idea of not needing the walking assistance. They kind of float in the sound of Robocop walking when Nog leaves here. Like what if that were what is new legs outed like? Oh yeah.

What if you could carry a phaser in it like Robocop? They'd be great. Nog could shoot people in the dick all the time. Oh man, so many dicks. You're a move, great. In the scene that follows, we see the shift that Vic works. And it's date night for some reason Jake, he brings... I think this is a bad idea for a date, Jake.

Like you're bringing Keisha to the club to hang out with Nag who may not be your best friend anymore just based on the evidence. Yeah. And put her into a really shitty situation. I'll be right back. You got to get table service. I don't think you can leave Keisha alone with Nag. That was weak, especially when Nag was telegraphing very explicitly that he wasn't really excited to see Jake. I mean, Nog and Jake did not have any reconciliation after Jake blew up at him, and Nog has given no indication that it's what are under the bridge. I feel like there's a social contract too, right? That I think you and I have both been witness of and party too that goes something like if if you are

including a third in your hang, you don't and and you're the one that knows the third, you stay with the third. Like you don't you don't stick your wife with them and they don't stick you with their weird work friend or whatever. Like, you maintain the familiar pairing. Especially when the third is like, hey, I'll have a macara fizz and your friend that you're trying to introduce her to is like, they don't serve that here. Yeah. You know, for some reason, Jake doesn't see that this is going to be a fiery wreck as soon

as he leaves to go get martinis. Yeah. I like the kisha appears to be a non-observant Bajoran. Yeah. She's a she's wearing not religious earrings. She's wearing regular earrings. Are you allowed to take your earring off to just like gopean cosplay for an evening if you're a Bajoran?

Glad to take your earring off to just like gophe and cosplay for an evening if you're a bejorin. Do the bejorins who wear the dumpy burlap costume look at her scant because she's dressed great. She thinks she's fancy. Yeah, poor Keisha. Yeah. She was in starship troopers this actress. Whoa, really?

Yeah. Good pull. I think she's in clueless, too. She's like one of the high school students in clueless. As bad as Keisha gets it, for some reason Jake gets it worse, because when he returns with the drinks, it is table flipping time. And when you flip a table, you want to use your legs.

There's another example of nog's legs being just fine, frisk this baby over, and then it's not just a table flip, it's a go-around. It's Nog goes around the table and punches Jake down. Nog goes full Vegas gangster. Yeah. And Jake, why don't we just go outside and talk about it? And gets 86. Vic like runs off the stage and kicks Nog out of the joint. And Nog really expected that Vic would have his back in this moment in a way that I thought was great.

He thought he ruled the roost in here. He does not. I love the transition here, because I had guessed that that would mean N nog would be 86 from the hollow suite. No, we find nog back in Vick's suite afterwards when Vick gets off work. Yeah, and when you get home from work, you're tired, maybe had a couple of martinis afterwards, super late. You come home and somebody's watching a really loud, violent movie. There's a bad vibe, you know. Now, it doesn't feel good. I don't think they're particularly good roommates.

This, this Vick and Nog situation. Well, Vick is starting to get like, rung out, you know. He's, he's tired. He's never been on this long. He needs a refractory period. Yeah, he's like that Ripley clone in Alien 4. He's like, Man. Ripley, we cut from nog to Vic and Vic is just covered with hair and like a third arm and also naked. Yeah, there's a nipple where there should be no nipple.

God, that scene was so effective. What a horror show that scene was God. I think that that movie is, I mean, they're, they're a lot of legitimate complaints of about aliens three and four, but I think they're both pretty great. That movie seemed to get right the wet hair horror of the ring that would come later.

Like that cloned, ripply in tubes thing, all I can think of is the hair and how much of it there was. And like that, that's a thing that Japanese cinema are tours new from the start. You get that hair wet and that's a horror language right there. That's that French director who did like Omelie, right? That's Jean-Pierre June, right? Yeah.

Samless. Same director as Omelie. And I feel like Jean-Pierre June has like four films that are mainly about how gross wet hair can be. Yeah, I mean Omelie, that's like that, that's like the B story, anomaly. Why is Omelie's hair so wet? City of lost children, gross wet hair movie, delicatessen, gross wet hair movie. Oh, yeah, I can't think of delicatessen without thinking of gross wet hair. And cupping sick. This is the scene where...

Anyways, nog sticks his fingers deep in a sack of lentils and that's the therapy he needs. Vicks like, if you're gonna stay, you gotta start pulling your own weight. Why don't you start working on these books? Yeah. And because Nag is an alien that specializes in bookkeeping. He's happy to do whatever it takes to stay. I'm going to sing. Come to a fore. I'm going to sing.

Come to a fore. What are you doing? Come to a fore. What are you doing? Come to a fore. I'm going to sing. Come to a fore. I'm going to sing.

Come to a fore. I'm going to sing. Come to a fore. I'm guessing that this is like the next day or so, but Ezri comes in and visits Vic in the venue. No, I guess not there. And like one thing I always wonder about is like how the holograms work if Vic is in the venue room when Esri walks in. And your player isn't in the same room? Yeah. So the hologram is convincing Esri that she's in a much bigger space than the Hollisweed itself.

But Nuggets also in that same two bedrooms sized room and can't hear her and isn't aware that she's even there That's a wild Yeah, yeah it is I mean it's It suggests to me that you can be walked in on By someone if you're using a hollusweet if there are many scenes and many characters Acting independently using a Hollis suite if there are many scenes and many characters acting independently. Knock on my guard, knock next time! Yes, sir. Did you see anything? No, sir. I didn't see you playing with your dolls again. Good. I mean, it suggests that like, if you were on one side of the thing and

somebody else is on the other side of the thing and called for the arch, you wouldn't necessarily know that the arch had even been called for. Right. Ezri is pro-ending the program and gets into a little bit of a disagreement with Vic about whether or not to do that. But the realization of this scene is how constructive it is for a knock to have a project to work on because this casino project with Vic is going to be the thing that he that he throws his body and mind into as a form of recuperation. But I mean, he could have had a project outside the Hollis suite. Why didn't Ezri see that as a viable option?

Ezri, that a therapy. How do you know that? I told him. I think it's interesting that she's kind of trying to pull therapy rank with Vic in this scene. No offense, but you're just a hologram and I am his counselor. I outrank you. And fails to, mostly because Nog like holds the metaphorical revolver up to his head.

He says, if you kick me out of this holly, holly sweet, I will resign my commission. And as I was like, okay, wait, wait, wait, we don't need to get that extreme here. There's definitely something between Vic and Ezri. There's a sexual tension. I think. Yeah. He's saying she's Diane. He really gave her trunk space, a nice long look on her way out the door in a previous scene. You know? I didn't notice that. Oh yeah. Like he did a full-on, like a wolffish look over his shoulder as she left. Period appropriate, Lear.

Yeah, yeah. Definitely. We get a pretty long montage of different stuff going on in the Hall of Sweet. You know, like, now I work in the books, him and Vic Fontaine opening newspapers together, the, you know, the Vic Fontaine tucking noggin after a long night of doing math problems or something. of doing math problems or something. And at one point, like, Ezri is like back in the cut somewhere deep in the ballroom that Vic Fontaine performs and see a gnaw like, you know, glad hand with the patrons without the use of his cane.

And you start to realize that this holiday therapy session is actually potentially doing some good. I think the distraction really helps, right? When you're not thinking about the thing that's bothering you, all of a sudden, you don't need that cane. You're like tiny Tim and scrooge to where you're like throwing your cane away and doing like gymnastics moves.

That's a we got here. Yeah. I thought that this was an interesting sequence because the way, you know, the roommates and sort of business partners at this point, but they sort of play noggin-vik almost as spouses in a couple of these little vignettes. And I thought it was really sweet.

I thought it was like a moment I didn't see coming, but really likable thing that Deep Space 9 did sort of nod at maybe an LGBTQ storyline before they had the courage to actually do one. Right. Right. In which Vic would be kind of the daddy figure. The Zaddie. There's a part of the montage of not. Wait a second. We can't go past that moment without saying. Daddy Vic. Uh-huh. We can't. Glad we turned the pod car around for that. Had to pick it up. Pick with two Cs. Right. No. Yeah, I get it. Nog is sort of becoming a quirk figure of the club, too, right? This is a comparison that I saw, like as he gains confidence, he's run on the show in

a way that is very familiar. Go easy on the garnishes. People order a drink. They don't want a fruitball in the class. Rom and Lee to come to visit him in hollow therapy and they have some good news of their own. Rom's gotten a promotion. And I mean, like, this is a scene that's about showing how much

Nag has lost touch with what's going on in the real world because like they had the party. Nag wasn't didn't even get invited because people didn't want to disturb him in his computer game. But the computer gameness of this really is laid bare where he's like, yeah, we're earning tons of money in here. And they're like, yeah, like, but in game useless money, right? Nog, and he's like, well, yeah, but. This moment was sad to me. The idea of life going on outside the hollow suite, I think this is our first taste of it, you know, like that, that realization of like, oh, yeah,

we didn't even think to invite you, but we've got to cover that up with the sense that it was just a spur of the moment thing. And yeah. And because you weren't around, you didn't know and that's like, should happens. I think the thing that is hardest for me to understand about the existence of esports

and like people that watch video game streaming online is that like never in my entire life have I told somebody about something I did in a video game and had it seem like they thought it was interesting in the slightest. Oh yeah. When Nog talks to them about how things are going in the casino, it was that feeling all over again. This is a, yeah, you'll never believe the game of Madden football. I played yesterday.

Like it was just one of the all-time great comebacks. Yeah, like no one cares. It's a guy who's into flight simulators. Like, is it it feels like to me, you know, like those are the stakes. Right. You have to be into the lifestyle to really get it. I think people like a couple of years younger than me have a totally different relationship with this than I do.

And that's the thing that's that's like I feel so left out of whatever is going on on Twitch. Yeah, it's not for us, I guess. It's not for us, I guess. It's not for us. Morning, morning. Morning. Steve, sweet. Morning, morning.

Do you hear everybody? Morning, stop. Have a time. Ezra comes in and is like, wow, Vic, like, game-recognized game. This is working. You got this new casino thing going with Nog? Like, you're gonna have him out of here at no time

and Vic is like, out of here, right? Yes. That was the plan. Yes, that is the end game. We are both headed toward here. Ezri. I loved this scene because I don't think we've seen Vic like on his heels like this before. He's always kind of like the coolest dude in the room and in this moment, suddenly, Ezri has the status in the scene. She's like the least likely character to gain status on Vic. I thought this was like one of the funnest scenes in the episode. It gives James Daring a different gear too, like besides cool big band leader guy.

I don't think we've ever seen him doubt anything before. And so he's got to, in this moment, do the math on things. Now all that's left is to decide when he's ready to go back. What this does is inspire tough love time. Right. Tough love time taking the form of declaring to Nog like, hey, like we're not looking at blueprints anymore. It's over. It's time for you to reenter society.

Look at you. You're walking around without your cane. Like you got what you came here for. Game over. I can end my own program anytime. Watch. What he does. Yeah. Pretty great trick. It's such a great trick that

Nogg doesn't quite believe it. Nogg feels like he can turn back on the program if he just fiddles with the wiring a little bit. But O'Brien explains to him that Vic has free will. He can turn himself on and off whenever he wants to, which sounds very enviable for an older man. I love the line, I'm an engineer, not a philosopher. Yeah. They talk about that. That was great. But Vic is also able to appear in the in the ready room of the hollow suite, like the the unmade up hollow suite he pops into.

And this is the centerpiece scene of the episode, this confrontation, because Vick stands firm. Like, the program isn't going to continue for the foreseeable. And it's a moment where Nag has to admit how much he needs it because of how scared he is. And he draws a comparison to the relative predictability of life in the hollow sweet and how unpredictable his life outside it has become and how much fear there is in that. If I can get shot, if I can lose my leg. Anything can happen to me, Vic.

I mean, Vic comforts him by saying that, you know, you could be me. That's no. That's, there's no joy in this life. I'm in hell. Hello, Pally. Listen, if your uncle trips across the plug that is powering this room, I'm out of here. You think I like singing the same song 15 different times for the likes of you? Yeah, break I've blown my hollow brains out a thousand times already. You don't even know it. You don't hear it, Nugg, but I've jumped off of our balcony like a groundhog's day amount of time. Nugg's feelings here feel really authentic like I was eager for the fray when the war started and now like the realness of it has really caught up with me and I don't feel safe out

there. And I think VIX response to this saying like being on for as long as I have, having experienced some life makes me realize how important life itself is and you are not living years. You've self checked out. Right. This seems to be the thing that grabs, nog by the ears and gives them a good shake. This is broken the funk. You wouldn't think that Vic Fontaine

knew anything about funk. Turns out he does. I would never have guessed that he wasn't faking the funk. This scene was a real reminder of part of what we lost when Aaron Eisenberg died. Like this, this is his moment, maybe his moment of the show. This is his episode of the show, certainly. And when he walks out without his cane, it made me feel a lot of things. Yeah, it was great.

And I think a great showcase for what a talented actor he is. And then the next scene, I feel like also low key, a great showcase of that, because you don't usually get the tearful confession scene. This scene sucks so often, right? When they bang, bang, the epiphany and the... And the immediate aftermath. And the immediate aftermath.

Yeah. But tonally, I think they really nail it here. Yeah, and he comes out to quirk and ramen leader and kind of let's him know what happened. Are you okay? No, but I will be. And I think that that's a very hard landing to stick. And him going in for a hug with his family is a big moment for him. It's a kind of love

that he was not open to in the beginning of the episode. You know what I think really benefits this scene and makes it sincere without breaking the spell is that they don't cut to Nog's face in the embrace. Right. And I think a- That's because it's in leadus chest. Right. He plants his face. I mean, there's no safer place on the station than being in those shields.

So he places a- he makes a return visit to VIX and this is clearly quite a while later. He's back in uniform, he's talking about how he's in, he's on limited duty, but he's like getting back to normal and thanking VIX, like getting pushed out of the nest is what it took for N Nag to find his wings. The gift that Nag gives to Vic is life. The gift of life is what he gives him. You program gets to stay running, pal. Like it or not. I guess they could choose to turn himself off again if he needed a rest, but now he gets

a 26 hour day. But couldn't Vic could turn himself on too, right? Yeah, that's what I have a question about is like he could have been doing this the whole time. Maybe he just needed somebody to tell him explicitly that he had permission. But this really makes his day to the point that he bursts spontaneously into song. Yeah, yeah, we get a big long musical number into the credits, and that's our show. It should be, do you like this episode, Adam? You really want to do this here.

Now, okay, okay, let's do it. I think the point you made earlier about this being a red barkley story with a different face is a good one. And it was a lot of what I thought about when I was watching this. I mean, regional barkley had a lot of problems, problems that seem when you see other crew treats, Nag here, seem forgivable or

merciful or I don't know how I'm trying to describe it, but like... Surmountable. Yeah, and I thought a lot about that episode while I was watching this one, but boy, what is choice to give Vic Fontaine and Nogg just an entire episode in which to play the entire story? I don't feel like you get an episode of Star Trek outside of like a lower decks, where

you, to the exclusion of main cast characters, just give the entire time to featured performers. Yeah. In the way that this one does. And I think it's, I wonder to what extent this experience encourages more of that in the Star Trek series to come, because I like getting an outlier episode like this. And I think this proves the hypothesis of whether or not it can work, because it utterly did to me. I think this is one of the great episodes of the season to me.

What about you? Yeah, I did really like the episode. It's that rare episode that feels like the character growth undergone by a character was believable despite it being like super, super hard, you know? Like, how many warf episodes have we seen where Warf was a jerk at the beginning of the episode and like made a very fractional move to being less of a jerk by the end of the episode and we're like, come on, Worf. Like it's nice to see you now, actually like turn a corner here.

Did you miss Worf in this episode? Because on the one hand, I didn't because, as you know, I've sold on my Worf stock. Sell, sell, sell, sell, sell. Get none of it. Sold it a lot, even. I've been scooping it up. It's, it's, uh just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.

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I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. things. Right. You know, if there isn't a, I mean, and in the way that could backfire, like that could be an explosive moment where warf is is ringing the, the bravery and honor bell and Nogga's just not having any of it. Yeah. I mean, Nogga's a lot of people he could potentially talk to about this, not least it wishes Jake, who has experienced loss in war, like take lost his mom to a war right moms are bigger than legs yeah you know what else are bigger than legs Adam there's priority on messages I priority one message is bigger than moms though

I don't know I guess only if we have a mom message in there well let's go check out what we've got in the inbox priority Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Need a supplement on it. A supplement? A supplement. A supplement. Yes, extra. But the interest alone could be enough to buy this ship.

Adam, our first priority one message is from the crew of the USS Crab Creek and it is to Nick Pahn aka Big Citrus. Big Citrus, peel and peel. Guz like this. Chula! We shot this probe through a sputine butthole. But what our theory presupposes is it's not too late to say happy birthday. We were going to get you a cameo from Ron Canada. But this will have to do since the town is still on lockdown. We're sending out a big 40 torpedo salute to our Captain DeCitrus, the drunkest Shimoda we ever had. Wow, ever, ever had.

Yeah, that is a message that was targeted hopefully for July 13th, so sorry about how long it took us to get to that one. And a good reminder, get out way ahead of it if you've got priority one message so you'd like to schedule for specific dates. Nick Pond's birthday came and went and he's like, where the hell is the crew of the USS Crub Creek? They usually get me something.

What the hell is this? Do they stop being friends with me and didn't tell me? Am I not enough of a drunk Shimoda for them to remember my birthday? Give me a break. What do I have to do to prove how drunk I can get? There's been months of that proof between that and now Ben. I feel I feel bad. Yeah, I feel bad too. But a happy belated Nickpot. You know who should feel bad? All of the people buy in priority one messages. It's their fault. It's not ours. This is a very popular system. Yeah, it's true. Ben our second priority one message is from the Yagum Vandabairge It is to Ben-A and Adam

Wow Dear Ben-A and Adam, just a quick note to say how much I appreciate the good work you do With TGG whenever I feel down You guys cheer me up With a great new episode of the snow I already won Keep taking the piss out of the sheer for me Cheers Yagum Keep taking the piss out of Bishir for me. Cheers!

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Who's having more fun than Vic Fontaine? Hmm. He's getting his hopes up for a new casino. Yeah. As you know, Banna Casino is a business that never loses money. You'd have to be just a colossal idiot to ever go bankrupt owning a casino. Just the absolute dumbest. Right. The point of the stuff with the casino and this is that Vic is making money hand over

fists and doesn't even realize it. He is so checked out of even like looking after the business of the casino that he doesn't realize what a Latinum mind he's working. You want to know why it's the assumption is that owning a casino is a license to print Latinum. It's that easy. Yeah, it is just that easy. You'd be a fucking moron to let one go out of business. Yeah. So, Vic Fontaine is my charmoder. What about you? In the scene at the beginning when they're waiting for him in the shuttle bay and the

airlock doors roll to the side, there's that one guy that wants to go into the shuttle and there's like, you know, 30 people that want to come out of the shuttle and that one guy goes in the second, the door opens and it just really reminded me of like writing public trains it, which I haven't had a long time because of the pandemic, but I really miss that like moron that does not comply with the social compact on the subway and Try to get on the second the doors open It just really made me laugh when I saw that and like I thought that that's like an extra that made a very funny choice So that was great junction mode. I noticed that get to good spot. Well Adam

I'm gonna head to the game of but holes Good Spat. Well Adam, I'm going to head to the game of Buttholes, the will of the prophets, and get our board game going. We need to find out how our next episode is going to go. But first let me tell you what episode that is. It's season 7, episode 11, Prodigal Daughter. When Ezri returns home to investigate O'Brien's disappearance. She uncovers disturbing family secrets. Pratical daughter sounds a little like rural juror.

Pratical daughter. Pratical daughter. Okay, so we are on square 27, Adam. I've got a... We're on Death's Door. It looks like... Naked now, right in front of us. And we go ahead and roll this a here bone.

You're required to learn as you play. Roll. Roll a big number. See what we come by. Tula! Did I win? I did roll a pretty big number. I rolled a five. So we are now in square 32. You got your wish. We are not drawing a bath for the next episode. I don't want any tub times. That for me. No thanks. You have so much shame. Unburden yourself, man. Just enjoy a weird tub hang. The thing about the tub episode that I think of most isn't the nudity,

isn't the degraded sound quality? It was the heat, it was so hot. It was very hot. Hey, God, like sweat in the can't hot. Can't do it, don't wanna do it. Unless it's an ice bath, like some weird Tony Robbins ice bath dunking thing.

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And with that we'll be back at you next time with another great episode of Star Trek Deep Space 9. And an episode of the Greatest Generation, Deep Space 9, that takes us home for dinner. So we can meet the family. Make it sound. Make it sound. Make it sound. Make it sound. Make it sound. Make it sound. Make it sound.

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