The Greatest Generation - Data Season One Hair (DS9 S6E1)

Episode Date: February 17, 2020

When the seventh fleet is slaughtered, the crew of the Little D are rerouted to Starbase for reassignment. But when Sisko and his people are reassigned, they’re going to take the fight directly to the white. How carefully does Damar have to watch his back? What’s a “sympathy when?” Should Sisko have been a worse father to Jake? It’s the episode where we impulse-buy the tropical fruits. Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Prophets! Support the production of The Greatest Generation. Music by Adam Ragusea & Dark Materia  Follow Adam and Ben on Twitter, and discuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen! Facebook group | Subreddit | Wiki Sign up for our mailing list!

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I'm Adam Pranaka. I'm Coco Nono Ben Harrison. In the action figures made about our lives and about our show, this is a special version, the Coco No-no version. Yeah, like this isn't, like if you ask for an Adam Pranika action figure for Hanukkah or Christmas, and this is what your mom gets you, like you're a little disappointed because you want like the mainline one, but like if you have the mainline one already and this is what you get it's like, oh cool, like I have an alt of the main guy, you know. You want to complete the set ideally. Yeah, I'm

drinking my cocoa no no out of a a rum barrel tiki mug. Well that's nice. Yeah there used to be a tiki bar in Oakland called Longitude that had, you know, like most Tiki bars of any note have like at least one drink on the menu that has a special mug that you get to take home with you. And the Longitude has gone out of business, but I have their mug, so. But it's treasured memory. Yeah, I love that, I loved that place.

And I think it was our buddy, Sarousse Farivar that put me onto that place. How about that? Yeah, it just looks like a big old tapered barrel. And it says, longitude Oakland on one side and on the other side, it says, the queen, God bless her. Hm. So I think that's what they say about the queen.

Yeah, I think the drink was called the queen's barrel or the queen's rum barrel or something like that. That sounds great. So tell me a little bit about the contents of that glass. What do you drink and Ben? So this is a tweak on my Friday evening

beverage that I always make for myself on Thursday these days, which is a frozen daiquiri and the tweak is that I've added some ang on Thursday these days, which is a frozen daiquiri. And the tweak is that I've added some angustura bitters and some coconut juice, like some young coconut water, I guess, and some passion fruit pulp. Wow. Yeah, just kicked it up a notch.

Sounds very exotic. Yeah, there's a little grocery store near my house that always has passion fruits next to the register And I am it's like it's like they did it at me like I have no Ability to resist passion fruits right at the register like only only you would be Only you would be subject to impulse passion fruits. I like gum, I don't even see. Like I'm not interested in gum at all. And putting that near the cash register

is basically a zero for me. But passion fruits, I'm gonna get them every time. Every time, wow. You're kind of, you're doing an improv teaky because you're not bringing new objects into the house right now on a count of your impending move to Los Angeles. What are you looking with, Adam?

I was in the middle of a little bit of a cocktail freak out that you talked me off the ledge of. No better friend to a drinker than Benjamin R. Harrison. You reminded me of a very important rule. It's the 321 rule, right? Where these are the proportions of a drink, ideally, and you can make a lot of drinks using these proportions. You're three being the spirit, two being the sour,

and one being the sweet, right? So what I had was no rum, but what I did have was gin, and you also reminded me that there are plenty of teaky drinks with but what I did have was gin, and you also reminded me that there are plenty of teaky drinks with gin. My three was gin, my two was lemon juice from the two remaining lemons in my refrigerator, and the one was pineapple juice and a banana. Nice. That in a blender whacked it with a handful of ice cubes, and I dusted the

top with a couple of hearty shakes of leeching muay powder, which is just a taste of the Hawaiian islands that puts me in a nice, teaky drink frame of mind. I think it adds a pleasant sour bitterness to it that I'm enjoying with every sip because I'm going sand straw here. I'm just taking it out of the cup and I get a nice bit of the powder every time I do. So what do you want to name this drink, Ben? Wow, I mean this this this leeing mouy curveball I'm really excited about. I'm thinking about calling it the powdered wig. I know in reference to long live the queen

and your drink, right? That's, that's pretty excellent. I'm all about that. Yeah, it's tasty. That's so great. I recently was at a Tiki bar with, not just my wife, but your wife. We had gone out to a film and got a drink afterwards,

and the place we went into was a sushi restaurant that happened to have a Tiki menu, and I had a gin-based Tiki drink there, so. There you go. I feel very close to you right now, Adam. So it is possible. Gin-based Tiki drinks are possible. Yeah. I mean, I, you just get so rum-minded. Yeah, I think of the teaky drink. I am very guilty of that, but they had Singapore slings on the menu and you just don't see that that often.

Yeah. And it came out in a ceramic coconut. And that's great. You know, all the heads in the place turned to see who got the ceramic coconut drink. It was me. You ordered the fajitas of the teaky drink place. I totally did. Yeah, the bar immediately started making a couple of extras because they knew that some orders would come in. Once that first one went out. Went to a teaky bar in Portland. I had already told the story of the donuts, but that was a place where if you order a certain drink, the thunder and lightning and the rain happens.

Oh yeah. That's a ton of fun. That's great. Give me all the fake weather in a teaky bar. Yeah, the Tonga room in San Francisco has fake weather, but it's not triggered by a drink order. I'm a little hesitant about that sometimes. Like there's a Tiki Bar in LA called Tiki Tee.

That I think is not a great Tiki Bar, it's fine, but it's definitely not like on my Mount Tiki more or anything. Oh, well, I'm gonna be living in an LA before too long, Ben, what are the top Tiki bars in LA to you? Well, so there's the Tonga Hut in LA, which is really good. And then there's one downtown that I forget the name of,

it's also supposed to be great. I honestly need a Tiki wingman to explore, because LA and Oakland are where the Tiki bar phenomenon first started and I think that's owing to like probably but like I haven't gotten quite as forensic as I would like to with my Tiki explorations of the Southland. And I know that there's like a, there's like a stake restaurant in Glendale that has a Tiki bar attached to it. That's a hell of a combination. Yeah. Yeah, we got to find you a wingman down there, Ben.

Yeah. So if you have any ideas, yeah. I guess what I need is like kind of like a dating app, but for men that want to drink rum drinks with me. My wife certainly doesn't. I was getting to something, but I forgot. Oh, what I was going to say is TKT has a drink that if there's nothing there's no warning about this on the menu. But but if you if you order, I think it's called the Uga Buga, which is problematic already. The bartender will yell Uga Buga

a bunch of times while he's putting a rum float on the top of the drink and everybody in the bar often gets involved. And it's like, it's very uncomfortable because it seems racist and bad. Everyone for some reason starts doing the Tomahawk job. Yeah, it's like, you guys, come on. Let's back this culture away from its more regrettable aspects. Why don't we? I can say to near certainty that you and I had maybe one of the best sketch fest experiences

that we've had up until now. But I think one of the ways that we kind of blew it was by not going to smuggler's cove or to Tonga room. It was a very teaky drink-free experience. Yeah, we missed my favorite Chinese restaurant in lieu of Roderick's favorite Chinese restaurant, and we missed Smuggler's Cove and Tonga Room in lieu of a bar that we hung out at with Jordan Morris and John Hodgman, among a couple of other people. I'm just gonna put this out there. I believe your choice of Chinese restaurant superior to John's choice.

Wow, shots fired in a place where John Roderick won every year. Yeah, it's like I went out deep into the forest and started like doing target practice out there where no one could hear me. Yeah, I'll just put this out there. Nobody likes a Twitter snitch. So if you think it would be funny to direct John Roderick at our podcast to blow up Adam's spot, you're wrong. Yeah, no one. No one listens. When you say things like that, man then it's going to happen. So you should just edit it out Okay, I guess I am probably gonna edit this episode. So oh Boy made I've got my work cut out for me. Do you want to get into the episode Adam? I sure do it's hard to believe that it is the beginning of season six of deep space nine Yeah, and our greatest generation

journey through it. We only have a year of Deep Space Nine left, basically. And then what? And then what, Adam? And then it's all over. Yeah, I'm going to propose maybe taking a break. Maybe we pivot to general interest podcast after this. Yeah, just Adam and Ben talking about nothing the way the first 10 to 15 minutes of every episode

is. Yeah, how would you like it if the Marin was the whole thing? People would burn the house down. Yeah, it's true. Well, until that time comes, enjoy the first episode of the sixth season of Deep Space 9. It's an episode called A Time To Stand. Do you realize how incredible this is? No, of course you've done. Tonight we stand a time. Oh, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, with an interest in television in the 80s and 90s. Yeah, I guess he was involved in the creation of Deep Space Nine, but as far as I could tell, he didn't like, he didn't staff the show.

He was one of those big idea guys, in that like he sort of saw the potential of onboarding another Star Trek show, while TNG was on, and then sort of cycling them through and cycling them into movies as the series went on. With minimal overlap, that was sort of an idea that he was in on. Yeah, like early to the idea of this is a, like let's treat this universe as real, what other stories could we tell. Like he maybe like was one of the first people to realize that Star Trek was a place.

Yeah, I mean, it's just unfortunate. He never said it the way I did, so he wouldn't get the credit. Yeah, you, I can't have idea. He got the credit. I mean, he also was friends with Bill Cosby, so you know, not a perfect person. Hahaha.

I mean, does he remember being French with Bill Cosby? Yeah, did he ever do like a, a, a, a, a running Bill Cosby bit on like a podcast that then he could get two star iTunes reviews for for the rest of his life? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Cosby is the gift that keeps on giving, right? Right.

Ben, when we get to the actual episode, I mean, Cosby is the gift that keeps on giving, right? Right. Ben, when we get to the actual episode, we get our package. This feels very familiar to those who enjoy a cliffhanger, but very specifically, this is not a cliffhanger. This is the beginning of serialization, and it may be a semantic argument to make, but when we hear, and now the continuation, instead of now the conclusion, that is a statement that makes that case. Yeah, that's, I think the first time

we've ever heard that on the show, right? Right, we're not getting dun duns, we're not getting part two's and three's and four parentheticals. We're just gonna start running here in season 6. I wonder if there were kids that were watching this show as their track. And like, this was their best of both worlds. This was the summer that they hated every moment of because they couldn't

wait to find out what happened. Mr. Warp, all weapons fired will. And I wonder how they felt when we come back from the summer and that fucking awesome fleet of Federation and Klingon ships has gotten from being like resplendent and numerous to being like totally fucked up and full of holes and burning in space.

Like the fleet that we left the end of season five with is not what we come back to. And that is a real tone setter. I read that there was kind of a sea change in the philosophy of the writers at this point. They did not want to be handcuffed to a season finale and have to pick it up right where it left off. And when you have a cliffhanger, that's how cliffhangers work. You fall off a cliff and then you hit the bottom. It's A to B. It's how that works. You order Mr. Werf to fire and then three months later you find out whether or not he pushed the button.

And what happened in season six is they're starting to create the story arcs that go many episodes long. And so what you're doing when you create stories like this is there was a lot of conflict in the room where if you make a tweak to the third episode, that's going to have an effect on the sixth episode and it may even change a detail that you were hoping to use in the first. So there was a lot of coordination happening here in order to create this kind of serialization and it sounded, I mean when you're used to a thing being a certain way for five years and then you change all of a sudden. Well, five years and almost all of television history. Right.

Yeah. Yeah. It's challenging. Yeah. So they're basically coming up with a new way of doing TV at this point. And I think, to their credit, there's that golden age of film that is some of the most

amazing movies were made right as Taukees became possible. Yeah. And it's like suddenly the kinds of stories artists wanted to tell are possible and they can do it. And this kind of feels like that. Like the rules are different all of a sudden and they can do like pretty amazing shit. And I think to their credit,

they do do amazing shit in this episode. Yeah, I think so. I mean, your comment about the fleet being on fire was the thing that inspired that discussion about the writer's room writing more serially. Yeah. Because when we last saw this fleet, it looked fine and now it's on fire. Yeah. And they're like, they're trying to find out what happened out to other fleets.

Like, Nog is sitting there at comms, like saying he wishes they'd heard from the seventh fleet. Should we have heard something from the seventh fleet by now? That's just planted as something. And yeah, like the cases made that they've been on the run for three months and for three months, they've been getting their asses kicked by pursuing gem at our ships. Yeah, everyone's bedruggled and cranky with each other. Like, this is almost entirely described through Dax's hair.

We could all use some sleep. Because the other people we get to see on the bridge are Cisco and Nog who don't have hair to be messed up. But yeah. But they look pretty exhausted. I mean, hair continuity is a thing we used to really dig into in the TNG version of the show. Yeah, and one person that's not looking bedraggled is Bashir, who is looking like like wealth, hand, and super hunky all of a sudden. And Turrim, he looks like a bunch of girders put together. like, well-tanned and super-hunky all of a sudden. And, trim. Yeah.

He looks like a bunch of girders put together. And like, if the zipper was any lower on his shirt, we'd see the top of his dick. Yeah, looking great. He looks dope. Garek would like to get some medical attention because he bonked his noggin and Bashir is also super attractive to me because he's just not giving him the time of day. I mean, there has been a three month passage of time here.

Garek is comfortable wandering throughout the ship. He's wearing the combat badge of someone who belongs there. He's chatting Bashir up on their chances of making it through this war because everyone is very cynical about their chances. Beshear included. One of you trying to cheer me up, it's working. And because Garrick knows Beshear's a super genius, he figures Beshear has already done the calculations and sure enough what Beshear produces is a 32.7% chance of their survival. So not great but not bad either.

Yeah, I mean, to the shoes credit, he's like being more open about being a genetically engineered super genius, but he's also being a little bit more open about being a piss freak because he's got his collection of piss clearly stacked up on top of one of the lockers in Six Bay. on top of one of the lockers in Six Bay. You know, it's far more freeing to just have this out in the open. Just live my truth in the open.

I keep my quarters slightly warmer than the others. It's so the urine stays fresh. I let the dew drip down the walls. Theos. Quite nice. Okay. Odo has his yellow ocean and I have mine. Dex, Cisco, and Martok are having a McLaughlin group in the mess hall.

And Martok and War for having that conversation that is sort of like hearing another person on the phone and you're mildly curious about what they're so upset about and then that person makes you ask them what they're upset about. Mark talks like tell her and worst like I do one you and and DAX and Cisco are finally like what are you talking about and what they're talking about is the difference in opinion that Wharf and Dax have about their wedding. It's two handkerchiefs and a loincloth. And where exactly the targ portion of the event will take place. It's not high stakes.

It's not a big deal. No, it's not a big deal. What was a big deal to me? I wonder if I was seeing this wrong or what, but it looked like DAX was wearing a third solid pip. That got by my goalie. I didn't notice. Yeah, it looks like maybe she is now a commander.

She's now commander, JEDZDAX, having skipped Lieutenant Commander. Maybe. Hmm. I don't know, Ben. Aren't you bored of weddings? People will not stop talking about weddings. Yeah, there's the like a restitilian storytelling thing that like tragedies end in funerals and comedies end in weddings.

And there seem to have been a lot of weddings given how dark everything is on Deep Space 9 these days. Yeah, that's true. I don't get it. It's like, it's like they're trying to live their lives while this war is going on. It's like, come on guys, set everything aside. Right. Inter-bashir, he's got some news. The news is that for some reason, for some reason news from Starfleet flows through Bashir, which is then disseminated to the assembled party in the Messhal. They've been recalled to Starbase 375, oh and also that fleet that they were expecting

the help from, the seventh fleet has been reduced from 112 ships to 14. So that kind of explains why no one came to help them from the seventh. Do we assume that most ships have a enterprise level crew complement? Like, are we talking about 98,000 Starfleet officers losing their lives? Well, I mean, not every ship is a galaxy class. I mean, there's plenty of Dell souls and hoods out there. But the Dell souls look like they have as much capacity as a galaxy, right? I don't know.

I mean, it's, they don't have as much neck, I guess. So maybe, so maybe they're like three quarters or, like even conservatively, we're talking about 50,000 people dying, like in between last episode and this. I think the point you bring up is interesting because no one in the room takes it as a loss of

life concern. It is a strategic concern to everyone. No one steps and goes, wow, that is dead. It's instead, oh, that's why we were hung out to dry and why we've been awake for 72 hours. The cavalry is not coming. The cavalry is not coming. Gandalf is not going to show up on the mountain with the Roheerim.

Nobody is coming to help them. And it's Pistoff Sisco to theme. After our beloved theme song, we come back and we're hanging out on Deep Space 9 with Gildu Kott who over the period of three months has grown out a great big page boy. So I guess he's he really has like fast growing hair if this was what he was able to do in three months. This has got to be Brent Spiner's wig from season one, TNG. He's definitely got data season one hair going.

Every time he turns his head even a little bit, it's really whipping around. Yeah, the mullet really, really whips back and forth. And yeah, I mean, like, Cardassians have to be going to the barber like once a week to keep it tight the way they normally do, right? Garrett keeps it tight. Oh, you know what is the head cannon that all of the shops left deep space nine and so even the barber isn't there to give them a little trim? I would accept that head cannon except Demar is there and his hair looks the same as

Demar's hair always does. Yeah, Demar's keeping it tight. You know that about him. Wayu and probably can just like control the rate that his hair grows, right? Exactly. Yeah. Kira is there. She has been left on the station and basically hating life because DuCott is back in charge and right next to DuCott is way you and Kira is basically gagging at these assholes. But they're making the case that like, hey, like the station is going great, like the, you know, the promenades full of businesses. You hear the laughter of children and the bustle of commerce. There's, we're all friends. Like, this is going great for the Bejor and for the Kardashians.

And it's all due to the dominion. I feel like it's been a long time since Nana Visitor has really been able to chew up some scenery with someone and they oppose Kira with way you in here. And I feel like they don't give her that opportunity. You know, like I would really love to, at some point, see Jeffrey Combs and her, like, really chop it up. And so far it's just teasing that possibility right now because the only person that Kira lives

to fuck with right now is DuCott. And we get those scenes in this episode, but the Kira way you in conflict is not a thing at this point. No, but I think that that's intentional. Like I feel like they're kind of juzzing us up for that. And the thing that makes me think that is the shot composition in this scene.

Like any time Kira is talking to way you in, there is a Dhammar or a G Galdu Kott in the shot. Like it's always like Kira in the foreground, Demar in the background, wayune in the foreground, Dukot in the background. That it's making the case that like this is a conflict that is going to grow and grow. Yeah, I hope so, because I mean,

we both know what they're capable of. Yeah, and they're capable of a lot. It's gonna be really fun. Kira's big ask here is like, hey, you guys said when we signed this whole non-aggression pack that we would get to continue to like do things the way they've been done. And one thing that we would like to highlight

is that the pejorants have not really been given control of the security on the station, and that's a bit of a backslide. Like, we don't want this death of a thousand cut situation. We don't want the Kardashians and the Gem Hedda to be controlling the situation here. It seems like an ask she has to make, but one that she also knows the answer to before asking. Yeah.

Like, to the extent that she can't even be pissed at what the answer is. I'm sure in time we'll be able to resolve all these minor problems to a mutual satisfaction. I remember you said that. One of the things we learn from this scene is the extent to which the decaut wayune relationship is starting to show some cracks, right?

Like they don't agree about the idea of armed pejorans on the station. And also wayune fucking hates Demar. He hates him so much. Fuck Demar forever says wayune. Yeah, wayune. And I think it's interesting. If you're Demar, do you like,

are you super careful walking around the station? Like thinking that you're to die at any moment? I sure would if I were him. I wondered because I saw that conflict brewing and I thought that it was very interesting that the show does not super clearly define what the hierarchy is W slash R slash T wayune and DuCott Like is DuCott able to protect tomorrow? and Ducat, like is Ducat able to protect the Mar, does Ducat care to protect the Mar, is Ducat technically above wayune and wayune is just there to like advise him on behalf of the Dominion?

Like this is the question that's related to the one that I asked in the last episode, which is like to what extent are you, are you kneecapping conflict by making one party in a conflict so much stronger than the other. This is the same thing happening here when the two parties are aligned. Yeah. And the dominion is cut off here.

I guess they can probably communicate, but the minefield in front of the wormhole means no more ships and... No more big ships band. Well, why aren't they making little tiny ships? Little needles. Yeah, then you get through that mind field. You start you start putting Jim Hadar's into torpedo tubes. Like like warfs all the old lady friend like like K.

L.R. Yeah, start K. L.R. in that hole. Wow. I mean, they say that guys with just like torpedo tubes can be just as just as effective as lovers, they just have to learn other techniques. Yeah, sometimes natural lubricant isn't enough. That's why you need KLR. We get the case made in this bidoot that the collapse of the federation is just a matter of time. This is a war of attrition that is like dominion favored, but the other part of that

math is that the ketrocell is a problem. The dominion part of the Kardasian dominion fleet is going to stop being effective when the Ketrocell runs out. And that's something that way you can says, but the episode does not explain. Like if this is the first episode of Deep Space Nine you're watching, or even the tenth episode of Deep Space Nine you're watching, I don't think you know what Ketrocell White is. I mean, contextually, you get that much, much later in the episode when it's distributed, but yeah, at this point in time, it's a little bit of a, of a, a, a,

I think that that's super cool. Like TV shows before this would re-explain. And right. This is, this has the confidence of a show that's like, we'll pay off what, what it means that Ketrocel Light is not available on this side of the wormhole later. But for right now, like if you're, if you're just checking the show out for the first time, good luck. Also, we don't have the fucking time for that kind of exposition here. Like, we're in the middle of a story arc that is packing a ton of weight into a bag. So like we got to move on. Yeah. The last episode in this one are 20 pounds of episode and two five pound bags. And I'm not even sure like which you know like how that's

distributed if it's if it's 10 and one and 10 and the other or 8 and 1 and what is it? I mean, it's totally normal for one bag to be lower than the other. Like, that's not a cause for concern. Right. You don't have to set up a doctor's appointment if one bag is lower than the other. Yeah. Yeah. It's only if you feel a lump that shouldn't be there. Right. That's probably the reason Yeah, and the way you detect that is by rolling the nacelles between your thumb and forefinger when you take a shower you take both episodes into the shower and And you check them both out

Quark is trying to is trying to encourage his new gem hadard customers to learn to learn how to party. Seems like the cardassians know what they're doing when it comes to enjoying the temptations of the bar, but the gem-hard are not interested in gambling, they're not interested in fucking hollow women. They're not interested in anything. They're not even buying drinks. I think maybe the biggest, most explicit illustration of how brazen the Gemhidar are as people is that they will walk into a bar and occupy a bunch of tables and not order anything. This is like the coffee shop problem, right? Like the Gemhidar are there with their laptops,

chilling out, taking the space of paying customers. Using the Wi-Fi. Yeah, it's not fun. And I mean, what little customer service there is for Quark to dispense is going unappreciated by these guys. It's too bad. Very much too bad, Adam. Nearby, Kira and Odo are discussing the Ducat problem. She thinks that Ducats are there for revenge and to like spool up the labor camps and basically, you know, make Deep Space Nine great again. And they're sort of like openly hypothesizing whether or not they can trust way you and more than DeCat. And the answer may surprise you.

I don't really trust him, but I trust him more than DeCat. The answer is yes. Yeah, and I think I agree with them. TVH. And Quart kind of agrees with that, right? He's saying like, this occupation's gone. This one's not so bad.

There's not ghetto fences out there. Like this is pretty cool in the scheme of things, and I'm as surprised as anyone to hear me say it, but I wish the federation was still here, but it's not as bad as it could be. Whenever anyone says things could be a lot worse, that is often said before things eventually get that way, right? Yes. Yeah, that's, you know, I'm not going to, I'm not going to call my senator. I mean, things could be a lot worse, but I'm busy. It's an interesting, liminal space on the station for the characters that have remained there.

Like, it's not that Quark is happy about his circumstances. I'm sure he'd love to be making money off of gamblers, but the lack of ghetto, I think. But the Rosie spin on things. It does. Put a Rosie spin on things. The drink that he gives Kira looks a lot like the drink I'm drinking by the way. I feel the same way. I think I have a I've under powdered my drink. Here's the thing about leaky muey powder. You want to like coat the shit out of what you're eating with it.

I think it's just one of the great flavors. I was thinking the other day to myself that I've never felt like there was too much parmesan or too much black pepper on something. Theoretically, there's too much of that, but I've never actually experienced it. Is that what you're saying about Lehi Muey powder? Here's the thing I wanna say to all waiters out there who are turning pepper grinders on my salad.

I may be saying when? I don't mean it. No, I feel bad for you because you had to bring the three foot long pepper grinder out here. It's a sympathy when that's what it is, that's all it is. My capacity for pepper outstrips your physical strength in those moments.

I will fucking bury you with my desire for pepper. It is only my sympathy that prevents it. There was an Italian restaurant in the East Village in New York back in the day. This is the first restaurant I ever took my wife on a date to. And it was a restaurant that was beloved to me because they came to your table with your food and then they would put a bowl of parmesan like pre-graded good parmesan And that's what you want and when I say bowl I mean like a like bigger than a cereal bowl like a big big bowl of graded parmesan with a spoon in it

Classy as hell and you just put as much parmesan on your shit as you want God, that's nice. Yeah, that's real nice. That's fucking good shit. Yeah. I know wonder they went out of business. That was probably a very expensive thing to do. Hahaha. Yeah, but you know what, you're having that Parmesan fantasy

every time you go to an Italian restaurant from now on. Yeah, I am. You're trying to chase that Parmesan dragon bin. I can't catch it. Can't catch that white dragon. Hahaha. Yeah. I want to ride that white horse one more time at him. What was the name of that restaurant? Peppereca went out of business. Do you find your kind of a black cat for

these places? It feels like a lot of your favorite places you're going out of business, Ben. What do you think that's about? That's very sad. I'm not gonna take you to my favorite places. That's for sure. Oh, I mean, I don't blame you, but that makes me really sad. We get a heavy up here to say goodbye to all of my favorite Seattle places before I move away. Yeah, you're moving away. So you might as well just fucking leave the place of an explosion in slow motion, right? Yeah, like walk to the airport as all of my favorite restaurants amelite behind me. That's the move, right? Like, like, I'll come up and we'll just, like, burn the town down one last time. And then the next day, we will both fly to LA where we both live.

I don't have a lot of favorite places. I feel like we could take them all down in like four days. Yeah. Like lunch dinner, lunch dinner, lunch dinner, lunch dinner, bed. We can and we will. All right. This is probably the best money the expert Shimoda Corporation has ever spent.

Oh, it's even better that it now that it's a business expense. Maximumfund.org slash donate is how you can support such a mission for me and Ben. Support us putting some small businesses out of business. At Starbase375 we meet a six-pip admiral William Ross. Like a boss. And he is there to relieve Cisco of command of the little D. Yeah, he takes Cisco's saber out of its scabbard and breaks it over his knee.

It's a momentary sadness that is replaced with a new mission. A mission they don't know about yet because Cisco tells Dax that they'll get their new assignment later. And he's pretty sure they're going be all together whatever that assignment is. So we can't really like sit in that moment very long. This is the pace of this episode. Yeah, I mean, I think that Admiral Ross seems like a messy dramatic dude

because it's a lot of like, yeah, you're being stripped of command of the defiant to commercial. And then like nobody tells anybody, just flat out what's going on. Admiral Ross is a mess. Yeah. He's a mess. I got to respond to this.

Yeah, and as Cisco explains this to DAX, we also get a sense that the whole Jake situation is not, while it may not be on Cisco's mind, it is on Dax's mind. This was almost exactly the moment where I actually thought, where's Jake? And why isn't anyone talking about him? What are we like 20 minutes into this episode?

It's crazy that it's been three months and how many hours since we last saw him and he's just now becoming a reference in the show and It's that's just like you know you're not Jake's only family Admiral Cartwright is also his family You haven't told him about it the opportunity here is to bring them to their knees and Ben Cisco's like what do you mean? And she's like I mean not Admiral Cartwright them to their knees. And Ben Sisko's like, what do you mean? And she's like, I mean, not Andrew will correct. Whatever your dad's name is, I can't remember. Joseph go. Joseph go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we get the face time between Ben

and Joe where Ben is fucking rip shit. We see where angry Ben Sisko comes from in this scene. He's responsible for his own actions. I don't care who's responsible, it's wrong. And I want him back. I mean, there's no one better than Brock Peters to lay the wood on one of our main characters. Like, he is bringing it here. And it's great.

It's great because you know they've set up Brock Peters, like looking down at like the seven o'clock. Like, like, they've, they've, they've put a tennis ball on a shorty C stand and just like look at that and yell. And give it everything you've got Brock Peters. It's so great. Oh man. You don't think you don't think Joe Cisco doesn't have better things to do. He's got Joe Baleia on the stove right now.

Yeah, he hasn't poisoned anybody in three weeks, but he might poison somebody tonight, motherfucker. It's a weird glimpse into their relationship because I mean, Ben and Joe haven't talked in over three months. This is the first time. Also, Jake and Joe haven't talked in that long. So this is all news that's coming as a surprise to Joseph Sisco. Yeah, and Ben has to like,

like, field some questions about how things are going. Like, the war is going far worse for the Federation than is generally known. I mean, and what grandpa sys goes doing is he's encouraging Ben to go and rescue his grandson and Ben is like, look, like, there's a war right now. I can't just, I can't just go and suddenly remember that I have a son that I left behind. I'd love to, believe me. Can't do it. Well, and this is kind of, speaks to some questions we had in the last episode. Like, he's a man, he made his own decision.

Who's the thing? All that does is forgive Ben Sisko for being absent-minded enough not to check on where his son was when they departed the station. It's like that's, if they did home alone, and Kevin was 18, how does that change that story? Like it's still, you're an absent-minded parent who left a child behind.

I don't think ages anything to do with it. Did somebody say my name? Oh God. I know my way around a prank. It's called Genishade. What if the most hilarious prank I know? You want to know what I call a couple of pink cans tied to some string at the top of a stairwell? Genishade. I got a new slipper that will really beat the

pants off of a red hot door handle. It's Genishade You know, there's a reason that I muddled Roshan after the face of Joe Pesci. I just love that movie. I mean, kill me. There's something very sexy about getting down to calling her the wet bandit. She let better than calling her the sticky bandit, which is a reference to the inferior paint by Nimbus sequel to my favorite film. Shekwulf to my favorite film. We do catch up with Jake and I just want Everybody to think about what it's like to be a gem hadar you go through that accelerated Aging process where you're born and you go through adolescence and become a grown gem hadar over the course of like a week

Yeah, you are a killer from jump. Every instinct in your body is, you want to kill the enemies of the dominion. And then you're given the duty of being attached to wayune. The dominion's man in the alpha quadrant. You are one of his two honor guard. And your job is to straight arm Jake Sisko when he runs up to way and asks him for comment on the news articles writing. Jake should have been killed here.

Yeah, yeah, just have the gem of the arch summarily execute him and then we will believe the gem of the arch to be the terrifying force of death dealing that it is. I honestly think that maybe not specifically a moment like killing Jake, but a moment equivalent to that would be useful here, because I think we're being lulled into a sense of safety and security every time we're with way in. He's just too chill. He's too chill. And I think that the argument that a lot of people are making that the dominion running deep space and

the hind is fine is starting to be attempting thing to agree with. Right. What pops that bubble is this conversation that Jake and wayune have Jake wants to get this interview for his newspaper article. Wayune does not want to grant one to him because he does not like the pejorative terminology he uses when describing the occupation. Like this conversation, I think, is very contemporary that they're having, but this part really made me laugh, Ben. Like Jake assumes a freedom of the press where obviously none exists. I cannot believe he says those words,

and I can very much believe that way you and basically laughs in his face for thinking that. It's a kid that's grown up in a privileged bubble kind of coming up against a reality that doesn't comport with his understanding of the world. It contradicts everyone also calling Jake a man, making his own decisions. That is a kid thing to think.

And when they call him naive, they are totally right. Yeah, I think that, I mean, there's a lot of kid things I thought until my, I mean, I still think a lot of kid bullshit, you know. I'm naive. I'm a naive man, Adam. I was admitted. Why is Jake more hard? Jake's a his mom die at Wolf 359.

What is his problem? Do you think Cisco needs to be harder on him? I kind of do. I think Cisco maybe did him a disservice by overcompensating as a loving force in his life. Hey Ben, Cisco, want to show you being a little distant? It helped me become the man I am. It helped you develop your erasible self. Yeah, you want to develop a weirdo like me.

Be inscrutable and distant to your kids. Come to a foreign, come to a foreign. Come to a foreign. Come to a foreign. Come to a foreign. Come to a foreign. Come to a foreign. Come to a foreign. back to a briefing with Admiral Ross where he reveals that Starfleet Intelligence knows where the stockpile of Ketrasil white is in the Alpha Quadrant. It's in the most sensitive part of the Quad, and it's kept kind of externally from the

rest of Dominion space where it's slightly cooler in temperature. Yeah. Has it been kept slightly below average Dominion temperature? Right, it's actually kept on two depots side by side, sort of surrounded by kind of a protective sheath. That's where they keep their white. But I cannot stress enough if one depot is slightly lower than the other, no concern. But if one depot develops some kind of growth, especially if it feels hard to the touch,

or painful, definitely seek the advice of a physician. Right. How are you doing on your beverage, by the way? Also, would it hurt you to groom the depots a little bit? I mean, that's, that's considered it. It depends, you know, like different, different time and place. Like, I don't know what's, what is fashionable in the federation at this point, or in the dominion or in Cardassia.

Like, maybe the Cardassians are going really full bush right now Maybe like like you think about like this is a war of adventure and Maybe going to war with the Federation being Cardassia's Vietnam Like the 70s full bush, right? full bush the 80? Full bush. The 80s. Half bush. Half bush. Going a landing strip in the 80s. So just put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Yeah, I'm down to the bottom of my of my teaky beverage bin. It's all. Oh, shit. It's, I mean, I'm, I would say I'm about four good drinks from the bottom. I'm taking the lid off the barrel of rum right now. I should Jackie and Laura you a picture of this mug by the way, but I still, I think I might have, I think I might be at half capacity, Tbh. You know what? I've got, I've got a blender portion of my drink left.

I'm gonna go get it and refill and then I'll be right back. Dunlun, dunlun, dunlun, dunlun, dunlun. portion of my drink left. I'm gonna go get it and refill and then I'll be right back. Ben I'm glad we're getting drunk together. It's been it's been a tough couple of weeks for me to be honest. It's not to date the episode at all but this is I think the 31st straight day of rain in Seattle. Wow. I'm starting to come a little unglued. Wife's been gone a couple weeks in LA. Wow. I'm starting to come a little unglued. Wife's been gone a couple of weeks in LA. It's not great. It's going on around here.

It is always the harder deal to be the member of the couple that has left it home. I'm glad you think so. And I think that the getting to tour for our show has been a thing that we've both really enjoyed, but I'm always conscious of the fact that we're leaving two ladies at home to deal with all of the stuff of that. Yeah. And, uh... Yeah, this is that. This is that, man.

But also, like, you deserve to let some steam off, man. This is... I've had a lot... This is stressful time in your life. Yeah, I've had a lot of steam building up for sure. I'm glad you hit that square on the board. This is coming in handy. I love you, buddy. I love doing this project with you. And I love when it tricks us into doing something dumb like this.

Yeah, quite honestly, a thing I probably wouldn't have ordinarily done without it. I tend to really relish my stress when I have it. I hold it tighter for some reason. I don't do things. I'm not very good at self-care. So, this is good. This is forced self-care. So, this is good. This is forced self-care. I was to do an episode of the high-end mighty podcast,

the John Gabers podcast recently that was about self-care. And that made me think a lot about like the idea of just doing stuff for yourself as a as a weekly practice like yeah, he talked about like just like going to the sauna I was like man like if I had like I don't have a gym membership and I have never had a gym membership But if I had one I would love to go sit in a hot room for like 10 minutes a week like yeah Can I afford 10 minutes a week to just do that for me? And I think I can. You can. You really can. I think we can afford more than we think. And I

don't mean that monetarily. I mean, like, with our time. Yeah. No, it's not a... So often, we choose not to do that. Right. It's not a monetary thing at all. It's like, what do I prioritize? And so much of the time I'm prioritizing, like, connecting dots and doing stuff in my life that I think I leave just the self to the wayside in a way that's not good. And I could be taking a better care of myself, and I wanna do that. Yeah, let's try to do that this year, man. That would be good. Good, good late breaking New Year's resolution.

Yeah. We're gonna be like, let's join a gym in March. Hahaha. I'm gonna have to join in New Jim, buddy, I'm gonna have to in March. Jim in March. Jim in March. Jim in March. Jim in March. Jim in March. Jim in March.

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How does Rambo know how to fly a Russian helicopter? I mean, you just sort of assume the controls are going to be in sort of the same space, and that's the idea here. Can he fly a gem-hidar tick with his little D crew? They're about to find out. Like when you look at a Federation Starship,, you've got the, you've got the nacelles, right? Those are the really bright part that are separated. Like ideally the saucer is well separated from the nacelles.

Oh yeah, the cells are the, are the exploding part. And they're so dangerous. And when you look at a tick, like the bright part is the belly. Like the, as far as we can tell, the propulsive part of a tick is built into the body of the ship. It looks so dangerous. The tick is not a ship that is designed to preserve life at any cost.

And that's very distinct from the way the federation design ships for the most part. So many questions about the tick. So many questions about how it's staffed, because as Daxano Brian run down the controls along with Nog, it's a scene that makes me think about why for some reason he has a position on board this totally crucial Federation mission instead of literally any other Starfleet officer who has ever lived. Naga is being given full Wesley treatment.

You're welcome ladies. Yeah, but does he deserve it? He has not really demonstrated anything. All he's proven is that he's trustworthy and he tries hard. And that's good enough for a lot of missions and a lot of circumstances. But I mean, we've got admiral Ross staffing this, this ship and this crew and giving Ben Sisko the latitude of who he wants on the ship, I think it's insane that Nog is there,

especially because in this scene he's fucking up. It seems like a cadet might get cycled back to the Academy and allow to spend some time in the proofing drawer before he gets to go get deployed to the war. Yeah, no one is talking about Noggin saying he is risen. This ain't Franky Easter. No, it's sure not. No one's rolling the stone away from his giant ears.

This is, we should stop this podcast, right? Oh, Brian, like rightfully gets all up into his shit. Like, oh Brian sees the writing on the wall. No, it shouldn't be there. No, no, it's bad. It's his job. And to Oh Brian, no, it's a liability. We don't want any snippets.

No one says it. No, it could get them killed. Yeah, this is bad. But yeah, they head out on this mission. They don't have any chairs, they don't have any view screens. I try to watch the movie! Nog is complaining all the time. Like, that's what you want to do.

Here's what you want to do. If you're a part of any team or crew on a project and you, for some reason, believe that maybe your skills are the lowest of everyone involved. Maybe not be the complainer also. That's a thing that keeps me from being the complainer on team greatest gen. Right. Right. We have you along on this project because you don't complain. I'm just nice to be around. Yeah. It's the reason all of our expert Shimoda projects work. No complaints from anyone. They have a bitty, a bumpy withdrawal from the regular one space station. They definitely reverse parallel park by Braille here. And they head to Cardassian space and they're

bringing Garrick along with them. Garek has been attached to the task force because maybe having a Cardassian along on this mission through Cardassian space would not be such a bad idea. Yeah, that pencils out. I think Garek, one could assume Garek has more usefulness than dog. Yeah, I think that's an easy bit of math to do. Maybe they're hoping that they'll cancel each other out. Well, we put this dumb for Angi on this task force, but at least we put this capable-ass Cardassian spy on the task force also. The scene I've been hungry for for a long time is another Ducat V Kira scene, and that's

the one that happens next. Kira reports to his office as requested specifically and Ducat is leaning into the HR violation that he knows will not be coming for him. What are you doing? That's my shirt. Well, I'm feeling like glasses. But Kira is not playing ball with the compliments or the approval of how things are going. She's not there to be nice. She's there to do a job. What do you want from me to come? She's made the case for like,

we want the Bajoran militia to be doing station security. Like not even as a station security is that big of a deal, but just as a like a show of respect. Like we want the Bajurans to be treated like they are part of this thing, just to quash our fears that this is not another kardassian invasion waiting to happen. It's the mirror image of what what Wei-Yun was saying before.

Wei-Yun doesn't like the occupational terminology, and Kiris, if you don't want this to feel like an occupation like allow us to have our own security here. And that is exactly the case that Kiris making to do cut. She says this fucking sucks. This is not just a raw deal for Bajor. You feel I've betrayed you. Not just me, everyone. Even your own people. And get a fucking haircut, Ducat. You look like shit.

And take a fucking mouthful of scope. Look, don't touch my cheek. Don't touch that. That's Odo's cheek. That's not your cheek. You don't touch it. It's inappropriate. It's crossing a boundary.

No good? No good. Fucking data, season one haircut piece of shit. And she shoots him in the face, and then it's the theme song. That would be great. Yeah, I mean, for all of the stress that the idea that Wei-Yune and company could kill

Cisco whenever they wanted to previously or do whatever they want on the station, I mean, Ducat really does invite Kira into an intimacy where she could take advantage, right? It's the rain and the hell proposition dark side sith are always proposing to To Jedi's right right right like rain and hell with me. Yeah But it's a little more complicated than that because of a much more interesting relationship that they've had previously Previously their species have had previously and this new Situation with the with the dominion is yeah the conversation does not go well to cut Later on Bashir is hypospring Cisco for a post headset headache. The VR headset is not agreeing with him

This is something that happens to me when I do VR. Yeah, there was there was a time I want to say like 12 to 18 months ago where you and I thought maybe Twitch streaming was going to be our future. Yeah. Both but VR headsets. It's true. And we're trying to figure out how to do Star Trek VR game together. Yep. And it was basically a fucking giant waste of time. And every time we did it, it made me super nauseous and want a barf because having VR on my head for any amount of time does not

work for me a glassism. We both got Cisco headaches big time. It didn't work out. Yeah, and the deal here is that the Gem Hider don't have view screens on their ships and you have to be wearing this headset. And Garrick makes the case that like hey maybe like we saw a duke hot wearing one of these in the last episode. He had a great big one. It was like mounted to his shoulder and what if I put on this headband myself and help you out? Like

share the load as a samwise game she might say. I could help a bit. I could carry it for a while. It's a moment that cuts both ways because Garrick is volunteering to wear one because he thinks physiologically, he might be more capable of it, but also it's another example of Garrick kind of wheezing in to a situation where he may or may not belong. Gaining a little advantage just as an instinct, not as something he needs. It's like having a view screen inside your brain. I mean, you, this is like a piece of business advice

you hear all the time, like make yourself indispensable. And that's what Garyx's doing here. He's making himself needed. I should probably do that for the greatest generation, somehow. Yeah, I mean, maybe by the time we wrap DS9, you'll be ready for that. That would be that's something I could really aspire to was like make like being a full half of this podcast.

The USS Centaur approaches and everyone knows Ben, it's Charlie Reynolds ship. Oh, the great Charlie Reynolds. He's a captain of the USS Centaur, a nothing class starship. It's a ship with the body of Adele Sol and the head of a galaxy. It's a real ship that we see only with motion blur situation. Yeah, you really don't get a good look at it. And you never get to know who Charlie Reynolds is. Give me some Charlie Reynolds background info. Yeah, and they, you know, like this is such a secret,

like black ops, clandestine operation that they can't just communicate to Charlie Reynolds. And even if they tried, the comms are down conveniently. Yeah. And what's Reynolds gonna think about all of this in the aftermath? Yeah. So Reynolds goes after the tick, Reynolds style, and everyone on the tick is trying to figure out, are they really going to return fire on a federation ship?

How fucked up would that be? I mean, it turns out they have to to ensure their survival. So they do that thing where they target a non-critical part of the sentar, which I guess in this case would be the horse tail. They're shooting for just the weapon systems. And the way that Ducat was like a singularly dangerous enemy of the station in the last episode,, Ducat used to run deep space nine. So him invading deep space nine with a fleet of ships is especially dangerous,

because he can say like this part of the station is what you target when you wanna knock out the shields. Like, Cisco has that knowledge of Charlie Reynolds. He's like, this guy loves to swing for the fences. So attack pattern Omega Delta, and stay tight, people. Like, you know, it's just how to get out of this bind. I don't want to leave Charlie out of your stranded on the wrong side of the border.

I mean, what a thing to be Charlie Reynolds and to have all of your strategies laid bare for everyone else to know. A tick just knows your shit. I'd want to be more of a mystery. I'd want to be more of a mystery. I'd want to be more of a DeSoto even. Yeah. You know, what's on his mind? You know what DeSoto does is not what anyone expects.

You know what DeSoto is going to leave like a bunch of quarters on the arcade machine for someone else to play. And it's a cool boss thing to do. Yeah. Yeah. He wins in pool. And then he's he, uh, he wins in pool. And then he's like, Hey, anyone else want to play? Hey, guess what?

All the pinball machines and in, in the hoods, 10 forward, free play. The sound is a cool as boss. Best boss I ever had. What they do is they, they, they wing a couple of shots at the center. The center blazes away. They wing a couple of shots at the center. The center blazes away. And then the tick that Cisco is commanding is passed by a couple of other ticks

going in the opposite direction. They're going after the center, but there's not a lot they can do about that. It's a really scary thing about intergem at our respect is that they don't even transmit communication between passing ships. They're like piranhas that way. Like, like, there's no, there's no need to zap anyone when you're on your way to a kill. You just go, go kill. Yeah. That's it.

Back on DS9, Kira is sort of post gaming, this conversation she had with DuCat with Odo. And Kira is like, you know, you know the one person around here who could actually get some shit done is the god. How about if you go ask Wei-Yun for Bejure and Militia to be returned here? I bet he'd even let you allow them to have weapons. You know who's always going to have with wayune you. Yeah, and so Odo does this he doesn't interrupt this but we cut to a scene where wayune is distributing Ketrasel white to some gem-hidar and do cats observing this This scene and he's he's like you really dig this don't you? You fucking love

Distributing the white cocaine is a hell of a drug But Odo walks in and he makes this ask, and Wei-Yoon cannot agree fast enough. He is in to this, but he wants something in return. And the something in return is related to Kira in an edit. So we cut to a totally different scene into Corks and Odo's like, yeah, totally agree to it All you wanted me to do is be a part of the station's ruling council

I'm on this council with way you into Cot and it's me. I'm the third. I'm like the tiebreaker It's great ruling body for the station is gonna make it especially tempting for Odo to return to his civilian murdering past Yeah, the conflict here is really that conflict that happens when two people work in a workplace and they're the same position and one of them gets a promotion. Kira not super psyched about this, but Odo is like hold on, like the way to take power apart ideally is by doing it from the inside, so that's what I'm going to do. Yeah, you can trust me, Kira.

Right, yeah. Believe me, I'll eventually give you the key to the executive washroom. Sometimes I'll just flush myself down and then pull myself back up. I'm what do I need with a bathroom? I'm perfect that you'll never know I was in there. I'll clean up every drop. Ha, ha, ha. Kira is suspicious about this whole thing. Like by participating in this way, it kind of feels like Odo is blessing the occupation

in a way that makes her uncomfortable. I totally get that perspective, but Odo is like, I promise you, it's not like that. You just have to trust me. And I guess as viewers, we do at this point. The way they grasp pans is that. That's the thing. But yeah, like Kira doesn't quite get there, right?

Like she doesn't, she grasps pans with him, but her face is not like, I trust you, you know? Her face doesn't match the hand. Yeah. I think you're right about that. You really want to do this. Here, now I'm okay, okay, let's do it, do it. Back at Cisco's Tick, they've arrived at the balls.

Yo. Yo, fuck more, yo, oh no, come in, man. We get to see this, like, kind of like the pattern, right? Like the approach pattern for an airport, where I love it. They pull in behind another tick that gets let into the Ketrasel White facility that the shields drop briefly so that this tick can go in

and they're like, they're monitoring all of the comms around this, like, what happens, how long does it take, what gets communicated from the tick to the station and bank? Shuffle and tidurium. What did you call an indestination? This is a great scene for the details, right? Like, this is what makes the scene great. It's a fucking milk run.

It's exchanging empties for fools. Yeah. And they're gonna try and reproduce a believable milk run when it's their turn in line. And the trick is that one of the Ketrocell White containers is going to contain a bomb. Right. A big bomb that's going to blow big.

And I thought that this was a bad plan. I thought that a bomb beaming down to the station was much worse than just attacking the state, like get lead inside of the shield and then torpedo the station and then get out of there. It's a great point because when they had that skirmish with the center, they were like, we do not want to accidentally blow up the center. We've got a lot of firepower here. Let's just be cool and just like lick a shot

and make them slink away. They have tick weaponry here. And a kick to the balls at this range could be crippling. Right, like there's no dialogue that lead us to believe that this station could sustain a tick attack. Now, now it looks like a dumpy ass station on a ball's asteroid. Shriveled up fucking ball's asteroid.

It feels constructed in that way, but we have to go along with it. They set the detonator for three minutes. They know it's a 90 second process. They know this because they watched the ticket ahead of them in line. Do the milk bottle swap. So they get in there ahead of them in line, do the milk bottle swap. And so they get in there, they get in line, they're the next, they get that line anxiety that you and I both have. Sure a lot of people do. Yeah. You get up, you get to the front of the line, you don't know what you're supposed to order, you've been thinking about it for five minutes. Why are you ready to order?

It's crazy. 84, 86 containers of catchers, I don't know. I don't know. The fucked up thing is they swap bottles for catcher cell and then the security net is raised with the ship inside and no one knows why. No one ever knows why. By the time the episode is over we still don't know why. They realize that they're going to have to do the explosion tunnel math. They're going to have to be the Millennium Falcon escaping the second death star.

And who can do this math, Adam? Who among us can tell us the odds on the fly? Who's the skinny doctor that knows all the math? For the ladies. Who's the sexiest, swerthiest doctor? Julia! Damn right! I'm just talking about Julian. Who's the doctor that collects all the piss from all the people on the promenade?

Glug, glug! Bishu! Oh yeah! And uh, yeah, he gives them the exact uh, escape velocity to go with. And he's fucking wrong. He's wrong! Never tell me the odds. Is his math wrong or did the bomb go off early? I- I believe- I don't know why. I don't know why I believe this, but I believe Bashir's math was right, and I believe the bomb go off early. I believe I don't know why I don't know why I believe this, but I believe bishier's math was right and I believe the bomb was wrong. Here's my head cannon.

Somebody down there immediately opens the wrong crate. You know, it was like it was like wire triggered when they when they opened the lid. When O'Brien was like messing with the bomb. I was like, why is the bomb in the bottle at the end? That should be buried in the middle jar. Yeah, do not put that at the outside of the collection or shit you're gonna be in there. Yeah, where it could possibly be the first one inspected, that's a great call.

Yeah. The ticked sustain quite a bit of damage. And the button on the episode is, they escape the explosion, but the warp engines are among many of the systems that are knocked out. And that means it is a long, long, long, long, long, long, long, long trip back to Federation Space. 17 years, two months and three days. Thank you. Thank you very much. You're perfectly welcome, sir. They are stranded in the Cardassian area of the Alpha Quadrant.

That's right. And if and now the continuation didn't tell you before, the idea of just a fade to credits here at this moment, confirms the suspicion that we are in for one long story in season six. Yeah, did you like this part of the story, Adam? I maybe like this story even more than the episode that came before. I mean, being fully in the throes of serialized television, I think is a great place to be.

It feels like a modern place to be. Yeah. In a way that the deep space nine episodes up until now haven't felt. And I think that that is only beneficial to how we feel about the show and about the individual episodes. Yeah. Like it a lot. I am reminded watching these episodes of what it felt like to watch season one of Discovery, where I just felt like stuff was happening so fast that I couldn't write down my thoughts

about it fast enough. Yeah, this feels like that. I had spent an entire seven seasons watching TNG with you and being quite at my leisure writing down my thoughts about the episode as I watched it. And then when we started watching Discovery for the greatest discovery, I felt like, oh shit, I have to pause this TV show a lot so that I can like, collect myself and think about the thing I just saw and write it down so that when I talk to Adam about it on my later, I will have coherent ideas.

And this feels like that. Like the pace of play here is so much faster than it has been up till now. Yeah, I mean TNG is always going to be my favorite start track, but TNG is the is the chill hot tub hang of science fiction compared to what we're getting into right now. And I love a chill hot tub hang. I love it so much. Like all I want in the entire world is to chill in a hot tub with a cheeky drink. You're just supposed to sit here, but this is a nice, spicy alternative to that. There's going to be a time, Ben.

It may not be this year. It may not be five years from now. It may even be 20 years from now. But when we've retired from this thing that we do, when it's all over, when we've done all the Star Trek and we're living our best lives in old age. Yeah, that would be great. I think that's gonna be what we do.

It's gonna be hot tub hangs forever. That sounds awesome. You know what I wanna do in the meantime, Adam? Is check our priority one in box. It's work first. Always with you. Get the work done. Says Benjamin R. our Harrison Mm-hmm

Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on secured channel Need a supplement on top of the supplement Supplement Yeah, it's extra the interest alone could be enough to buy this ship Ben This is one of the rare episodes where we have two promotional messages. Well we are perfectly drunk to be doing that.

Has this ever happened before? Two commercial messages on Greatest Gen? That's impossible. I feel like a must of. Well, I can't think of another time. It's been so long and my short-term memory is so compromised by my affinity for rum beverages. Our brains have been teaky at this point.

I hope that we give both of these fine messages, the credit they deserve. I'll go first with mine. Ben, Battle Cruise is a board game created by some friends of DeSoto. Wow. Who are a little bit embarrassed at having created a board game created by some friends of DeSoto, who are a little bit embarrassed at having created a board game. Cool. Said in a future Caribbean, which is basically Ryza.

Competition between cruise lines now involves missiles, torpedoes, and passenger brawls. The concept is ridiculous, but the game is addictive, use promo code scarves to take 10% off the game and to take 20% off. Post a picture of yourself with any Star Trek cast member on Instagram. You can find more details about the Bruce Cruise game at BruceCruzGame.com slash T-G-G. Wow. Bruce Cruise. That is extremely exciting.

Is there a part of the Bruce Cruise that involves like diarrhea raining through the walls and like ships crashing into each other? I can only imagine that that's a imagine that I've never been on a cruise Ben. That's why I ask. Oh, I mean, I've been on two cruises. My experience is that they're pretty careful about who they let a board and Whether or not they've ever been sick in their entire life But my wife lied her way through that and she's a very like rule following oriented person. So She spent like a four day cruise sick and bed the entire time and I imagine that diary is like a major factor in this game

Diary a cruise the game. That's the sequel. That's the add on expansion pack to BruceCruzGame.com. When you need to heighten in the sequel, like, like, right, you gotta raise the stakes. You establish the universe in the first one. And then it's a dire, desperate situation at the end of the second one. That's Dyeria Cruz. the entire desperate situation at the end of the second one, that's diarrhea cruise. The creators of Bruce Cruise game, which you can find at BruceCruiseGame.com slash TGG, did not ask for notes about their game, and yet we are giving them because that is what

they paid for. Adam the second priority one message is also of a commercial nature. Goes like this, friends of DeSoto come explore new worlds by volunteering with Camp Quest, an awesome nonprofit secular, free thought summer camp for kids ages 8 to 17. At Camp Quest, you will teach campers some great TNG humanist values. Enjoy bunk bed shuttle life. Keep campers out of six bay. Half bed bit moments daily. And pick your favorite drunk charmota of campers, well on break in the staff room. Many camp quest locations have travel grants for volunteers and gender inclusive cabins available. Fuck! Camp Quest sounds dope!

I gotta tell you, I want to be a counselor at Camp Quest. This sounds fucking great. Join us for a West Hot American Summer Camp Adventure. Visit camquest.org to see all our different locations and what they offer. I just clicked on campquest.org. It looks like a great time. What the hell? I was never a camp kid. I always wanted to be one. Oh man camp was the best. Camp was one of my favorite parts of my adolescence. I get to go experiment with not being the pariah I was among my school chums, both with other kids during the summer. I clicked on the Camp Quest website and they are, I mean, as many orgs like this accepting your financial support in order to make their mission possible. Levels all the way up to $20,000, Ben. If you want to support what Camp Quest does,

I feel like we should be asking more at Max Von Drive Time. Who has $20,000 a month to support the greatest generation? That would be great. Yeah, yeah, it's either us or Camp Quest. This is great. Good job by them. Camp Quest sounds dope. Friends of Disodo, Andrea of Camp Quest, North and Andrea of Camp Quest, Northwest both written in with this P1

and CampQuest.org is where you check out all the different locations and what they offer. If you've got friends of DisSoto that are, you know, proto-friends of DeSoto, kids that are growing up, 8-17. You want to bring them up the right way, the DeSoto way? Yeah, campquins.org. Wow, our thanks to both of these commercial messages this episode. It's a real treat to do ad reads for for some great some great orcs. This is awesome. I can't believe that cool people that are doing real cool shit in the world. You have a shit about our show. I do. Ben, one of

these days you're gonna realize that we kick ass. I'll never realize that. Our thanks to everyone that purchases a priority one message you can do so yourself by going to Maximumfund.org slash jumbo-tron, personal messages are $100, commercial messages like these $200 and I can't tell you what they do in making sure that we are able to continue to produce these shows. A bunch of shows on expert Shimoda that are growing more and more expensive to make. So thank you very much. A greatest gen live show is something you don't want to miss.

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Get the Drugs Shibota. Get the Drugs Shibota. I missed Jake Sisco with this shit last episode. I'm hitting him this time. Hit him big time. Jake, Jake's incredulity about there being no freedom of press, aboard an occupied station. maybe the dumbest assumption

in the history of Star Trek. It is so dumb that I feel like he's entering a warf stratosphere of dumb right now as a character. Love Siraclophton, he's a capable actor and he's great as Jake Sisco, but I think even he would agree that this is a terrible moment for his character. I can't get with it. It's super dumb. It's not believable to me because we're told like, you know, Jake's no Wesley Crusher. We know that for sure, but he's not an imbecile.

No. I think an imbisol would assume a freedom over the press on an occupied station. So Jake is my drunk Shimoda. What about you, Ben? My drunk Shimoda is chief O'Brien. All right. Lay it on me. Why? He's doing bits in this episode, Adam.

When Gary comes aboard the tick, Chief O'Brien's doing bits, he says pull up a chair. And they've just talked about how there's no chairs. All I do is it, it's no matter what. He's dragging Gary. I'm excited to hear all about the work you did to get Kalamini's line read of the word bit. Goddammit, fuck you.

In order to make that possible, Ben. Oh, you're just a... I had so much fucking good job, Ben. Goddammit. Nobody has ever pimped me as hard as you have today, Adam. Nice new drop right there, Ben. Very fun. Well, why not you... Why don't you fire up the game of buttles the will of the profits while I tell the people what our next episode will be. Please do.

We're on square 46 of the game of buttles. We're the profits. Who knows what I'll roll next, but Ben knows what episode we're watching next, what's it going to be? The next episode is season six, episode two, Roxanne Sholes, Cisco, and his crew are stranded on a remote planet with a dying Vorta and a small group of Gemadar. A dying Vorta. group of Gemadar. And dying, Vorda. That hardly seems possible. The Vorda come back all the time. Wayun is basically like a weable wobble. You knock him down and he gets back up again.

Yeah, he should. He drinks the whiskey drink, he drinks the vodka drink. That's wayun. He's a chamberwampa. I get knocked out. You're required to learn as you play, Roll. We are on square 46. It is the Coco-Nono square of today.

Depending on what you roll, we could hit a space butthole, which would get us down to a...fuck it, we'll do it live, which is... He would be devastating on a number of levels. It would be crippling financially and logistically. You're a man who earns his income making podcasts. And this would be a square that would ask you to buy a airplane ticket in order to complete an episode of your show. Try to imagine the conversation I have with my wife, where I abandoned my stated duty of packing up our house,

and instead fly down to our destination city, where I just do a show with my good friend, Benjamin R. Harrison, ideally see my wife, but that's not guaranteed. And then come back up. That would be great, right? That would be a relationship extinction level event and we don't want our show to be that but there is a one in six possibility that this role leads to that. What you know about me is that I normally roll ones and indeed I have been I've rolled a one putting us on square 47 which keeps the danger ahead.

Wow. The danger is back on the menu boys. Yeah, how about that? We did it, we got through another Coco No No episode, Ben. It feels like one of our, one of our drunkest episodes. I'm just gonna say it, this improvised cocktail that I've made, this powdered wig that I'm drinking, really did the job.

That sounds like a good drink. Would you say it's a good drink or were you tolerating it for the sake of the show? I wanna say this, I tried it without the powder, not as good, I think the powder makes the drink. Wow, I tried to play it off earlier, Adam, like I knew what the powder was. I've never experienced this powder.

Wow, Ben, I'm bringing a lot of it down with me to Los Angeles, so you will soon have powder of your own. Please lay some on me. Well, one thing our viewers lay on us, month after month, is their financial support. This is a big show, but be honest with you. Takes a lot to produce, takes a lot of work, takes a lot of money. And it's our listeners that make that work possible. It keeps us from going and getting day jobs, which would stop us from making the show anymore.

TBH, so it's up to you. Do you want us to keep making the show? Max Fondrive is coming up, guys. Get ready. We are really looking forward to that and really looking forward to the friends of DeSoto coming out in a big way to support the show. We should also give a great big thanks to our buddy Bill Tilly who makes hilarious trading guards based on every single episode of this show and the greatest discovery.

And he's posting those with the hashtag greatest Jan, the hashtag greatest discovery on Twitter. He's at Bill Tilly 1973. If I were to even mention the idea of a Bill Tilly trading card for friendly fire, he'd go and do it, so I'm not gonna even mention it. I don't want him to do it. It's too much work. It's insane.

He should have a Patreon. Someone should just set up a Patreon for him. Yeah, let's do. Bill's not gonna do it. Someone, another's do. It builds not gonna do it. Someone, another friend of Dishota needs to do that. Yeah, make it happen, guys. Speaking of the greatest discovery, we're on their reviewing Star Trek Picard every week now.

And we've been having a ton of fun doing it. So if you're watching Star Trek Picard and you would like to hear a benenatum based podcast about it it's happening it's great discovery i don't know whether this is an attraction or a deterrent but we do that show sober yeah and we've watched the episode several times when we do it we've we've really like internalized the

the the show what would the dick joke sound like if they were smart? That's what Greatest Discovery does for us. Yeah, they would sound like vagina jokes. I gotta thank everyone who has created a community around this show. Of course, I'm talking about the friends of DeSoto who use the hashtag GreatestGen on Twitter. They also gather over at Facebook in a number of places. I think, I mean, I'm guessing.

I'm not on Facebook anymore, but all you'd have to do is search for the greatest generation. And after flipping through a number of pages dedicated to old people who fought on World War II, you would find yourself in an area filled with great and fun people who are appreciators of our shows. Indeed, there's also a Greatest Gen Reddit sub and the wikia, which is super fun. And we must thank our buddy Adam Magusia, who makes the original music for this program, all based on the work of dark material, who made the original Picard song. Both of those people are awesome. And Amber Goosey now has a cooking channel on YouTube.

You can find it by searching Adam Rag Goosey on YouTube. And with that, we'll be back at you next time with another great episode of Star Trek, The Upspace 9. And an episode of the greatest generation, The Upspace 9, that doesn't know what the next episode is because we didn't talk about what it may be. Do you want to go back and pick that up? Or do you just want to- Did we not say that? I don't remember me asking you what the next episode was gonna be of that. I remember just rolling the dice.

Well, as I said before, Adam, it's shinsholes sisco and his crew are stranded on a remote planet with dying for the and a small group of gem it are i am obliterated right now same same Make it so. Make it so. Make it so. Make it so. Make it so. Make it so.

Make it so. Make it so. Make it sound. Make it sound. You're the God of God, God of God, God of God.