The Greatest Generation - Deep in the Nook (VOY S4E18)

Episode Date: September 26, 2022

When Hirogens capture Voyager, they transform the ship into a giant holographic hunting ground. But with the safeties off, Karr’s violent historical reenactments are taking a toll on the crew. How d...iverse is the Bane diaspora? What could possibly be hidden in a baguette? Does Ensign Kim have FOMOHO? It’s the episode that’s got loaf for days! Support the production of The Greatest Generation.Friends of DeSoto for Democracy.Friends of DeSoto for Justice. Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Caretaker!Music by Adam Ragusea & Dark MateriaFollow The Greatest Generation on Twitter, and discuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen!The Greatest Generation is on Twitch.Facebook group | Subreddit | Discord | WikiSign up for our mailing list!

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Priority 1 message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Hey friends of Disodo. Before today's episode, we just wanted to take a moment to talk about the historic labor actions being taken by writers and actors in the American Film and Television industry. If you're a fan of the work done by the people who make Star Trek, we hope you'll join us in standing in solidarity with the folks who actually bring these adventures to life. Over the past several years, the AMPTP, the organization that represents the American Film and Television Production Studios, have reduced the profit from movies and TV going to workers. And in so doing,
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Starting point is 00:02:30 The Star Trek podcast by a couple of guys. We're just a little bit embarrassed to have a Star Trek podcast. I'm Ben Harrison. I'm Adam Pryanaka. Looking good at him. You told me you've been on the phone with insurance companies all day. Yeah. I do not envy you that.
Starting point is 00:02:48 It's great. I love it. Are you setting up insurance or you're like trying to make a claim? Did your rate go up and you're complaining? My wife and I are thinking about moving. Oh. And there are a lot of moving parts to moving. I wonder if you'll have moved by the time this airs.
Starting point is 00:03:07 That's a wild dot. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, wherever we move, I'm personally hoping that it is a place where there are just random pizzas on my port that I can get. Yeah. That's been one of the key benefits of your current home. That in the like mystery pipe noises
Starting point is 00:03:29 that wake you up at all hours of the night. Oh yeah. Yeah, that's great. No one wants to hear that story. That's just for you. Is that gonna come up on an inspection? Like, like if you guys try and put that place on the market, somebody's gonna be like, yeah, we had a home inspector come out
Starting point is 00:03:48 and he wrote down random noises at all hours. I had a great moment of homeowner success, Ben, and I told you about it yesterday, and I think the friends of DeSoto need to know that home ownership is not just about finding back guano and having your office rained on. Like if you're a long time viewer of the greatest generation, you might think it's nothing but problems. But I'm here to tell you there are some successes and I had one yesterday. It's hard to focus on the upsides of things.
Starting point is 00:04:23 I know. Because when you're a renter, it's largely not your problem. I mean, it's your problem to live with, but it's someone else's problem to fix. But as a homeowner, you've got to fix these problems. And we had a mystery problem that had lasted for a month. And what was so confounding is that it was a strange noise that didn't come on at the same time of day or night and didn't come on even on consecutive days. It was just completely random. And this noise sounded like a bath fan.
Starting point is 00:04:55 It sounded like someone's fucked up bath fan. They're taking a dump and it's waking me up. And I am used to being the dump waker. I took great umbrage with this. And so I sent an email to our HOA, our five unit HOA and I was like, hey, neighbors, what is the deal with this sound? Itch me, Adam, the pizza thief.
Starting point is 00:05:21 Yeah. Yeah, you might know me from the pizza you thought you were having that one Zedry night. So delicious. The thing that drives me nuts about people continuing to bust your chops about the pizza is you literally cleared it with your name. Yep. That was in the story. I did all of the diligence necessary to eat that pizza guilt free.
Starting point is 00:05:48 You cleared it with the restaurant and the neighbors. Hey, I'm looking right at the camera right now. I don't feel bad about that. I did everything I could. So mystery sound has been keeping us up and sometimes waking us up. That's the shitty part is like, oh, I can live with this sound that clicks on and stays on for like a half an hour. If it's during the daytime hours or even the late evening, but when it clicks on at like 3.30 in the morning, oh, it sucks.
Starting point is 00:06:18 Yeah, that's weak. Somebody's taking a nighttime dump. That's what's happening. somebody's taking a nighttime dump is what's happening. Yeah. So me and my old lady, neighbor, were up late one night, and I heard the sound, and it's like almost midnight, and I know she's awake because this noise irritates her as much as it does me. So I send her a text, hey, old lady neighbor. Are you hearing it?
Starting point is 00:06:43 And she's like, don't call me that. I'm already down in the garage. Come check it out. And so I roll down there. And we can hear it. And then we're joined by a third and a fourth neighbor down there. We're all awake. We're all awake. Was the fifth unit not sending somebody because they're like, uh, it's probably that pizza thief guy out there. The fifth unit has not been home for like a month. Oh, wow. And that sort of became our prime suspect like did they leave? Did they leave a electric toothbrush on that that was like blurbing the randomly? Did they leave like a teaspoon in their garbage disposal
Starting point is 00:07:25 and then their garbage disposal is on like a random timer to turn on? Did a sex toy fall into the sink and into the garbage disposal? And is blurbing itself at random times. It seems as likely as anything else. So we're down on the car port. And this is killing us because it's not
Starting point is 00:07:45 localized to any section of our place. It's just a generalized buzz. Yeah, yeah. Is the buzz like it's a pipe buzz, right? Well, inside the house, it sounded fan-like, but once we got underneath the place into the car ports, it sounded pipi. Because I feel like at one point you told me you like put your hand on the, on the faucet in your bathroom and it like. And it was vibrating. I mean, which point to the dildo in the garbage disposal theory as the leading candidate, I thought.
Starting point is 00:08:21 Right, right. The dildo and the garbage disposal theory was a prog rock band I traveled with in college. There was a person holding a Dildo on the grassy knoll. So our drip irrigation system happened to be going at this moment. So we sent her out to the front of our complex where pizzas are known to be found. The pizza power of is something that I would find
Starting point is 00:08:52 there, but at this moment I found a little puddle and I heard the rumble getting louder. And finally I grabbed some pipes that were coming out of the sprinkler system and they were shaking. they were shaking violently. And when I grabbed them in my fist, I was able to squeeze them tight enough to stop the shaking and then the noise went away. And that's when we knew it had to do with the irrigation system.
Starting point is 00:09:18 So my old lady neighbor goes down and rips the wires out of the wall. She unplugs it. I was hoping that your neighbors would raise you up on their shoulders, but it sounds like your old lady neighbor really is the hero here. She's the one that ripped the wires. We were we were also frustrated. And when she did that, it was like a great victory in that moment.
Starting point is 00:09:42 Finally, we had some peace. But the problem remained. So the next morning, the person who comes and gardens the garden, the gardener, we told him about our situation, and he reprogrammed our irrigation system. We're supposed to be saving water around here. We're not supposed to be running the sprinklers, All willy-nilly the way they've been. Yeah. He got a son of great schedule. He ran the system and made a giant geyser out front, like a 40 foot geyser, the kind that you would see if a fire hydrant had been run over during a police chase.
Starting point is 00:10:18 Like, right. Right. Enormous. He, uh, he replaces a couple parts and he's like yeah You had a bunch of about to break parts causing a a pressure build up in the pressure Was what caused the vibration? Isn't it always and now Things are flowing free and quiet and on schedule. Oh, wow and finally we have success then is that is your colon just like
Starting point is 00:10:49 Damn plumbing finally figured out how to get on a schedule? Yeah, yeah. I had colon envy. Yeah. So now it's been like three days of not being woken up by a mystery sound. It's great. Yeah, that's tremendous. Yeah. I mean, while basically didn't sleep last night, it's great. Yeah, that's tremendous. Yeah. I mean, while basically didn't sleep last night,
Starting point is 00:11:07 but I'm here for an episode, buddy. Did you get food poisoning again? What is happening? No, I got a shitty email that I like made the mistake of reading right at turning in time. No! Yeah, yeah. I told my wife that I did that,
Starting point is 00:11:22 and she was like, what a foolish thing you have done to yourself. It was this a work email. Yeah, this is involved us. No, no Are you lying to protect me? I promise it has nothing to do with you. All right. I sent somebody a PDF They thought it was a different thing. I sent them an old PDF They were really mad that I sent them something that they weren't expecting. It was like a dumb email mistake that turned into a whole thing. It's fine.
Starting point is 00:11:51 God damn it! Boy, you really fucked up in in a very trivial way that I'm sad made you lose some sleep over. Yeah, yeah. It's all my fault. I didn't read the little string of numbers at the end of the PDF when I attached it to the electronic mail. You know, anymore, living a healthy mental life
Starting point is 00:12:14 means maybe not reading anything before bed. Just nothing at all. I usually read a science fiction or a fantasy novel before bed. Yeah, nothing wrong with that. That just turns me right down, you know? That's where I need to be. On the edge.
Starting point is 00:12:30 Where I gotta be. I didn't know you were gonna say that, and we still snapped simultaneously. Yeah, it's really remarkable. And a big episode today, part one of the killing game. It's season four, episode 18 of Star Trek Voyager. Do you wanna get into it? Yeah, sure do you, Ben.
Starting point is 00:12:54 Let's get into part one. Reaver course. Unless you've got something a little bigger in your torpedo tubes, I'm not journeying around. Oh, Janeway has loaf. She's a warrior. She's fighting batlets with people. How long did it take you to realize it was her?
Starting point is 00:13:12 Because it took me an embarrassing amount of time to realize it was her. Yeah, I mean, they put darker makeup on her. I guess that's a darker holographic makeup in retrospect, right? She's in Klingon face. She's in Klingon face. She's fighting Klingons, but also Herogens.
Starting point is 00:13:35 Could you tell if she had the teeth? She had the teeth, didn't she? Oh, you know, she's moving around so fast. They didn't actually notice what was going on W-slash-R-slash-T her grill. Yeah. But that would change her voice enough to be like, you know, not instantly recognizable. Yeah. I mean, that's like one of the major qualities of being a Klingon is talking like you've got four retainers in your mouth. Yeah. This hero gen in Klingon warrior armor bests her in battle, but he's got a
Starting point is 00:14:07 Starfleet communicator with him and he radios to Six Bay that Janeway requires medical assistance. Yeah, it's a confusing scene because it's Klingon's, it's Janeway in Klingon loaf,. It's a Bane. And that Bane has this combat. The hell is going on here. Yeah, we get that thing. Yeah. That's our cold open. That's how we go into theme song.
Starting point is 00:14:34 I love any episode format that goes like you're just dropped in story race. In Media Star Trek Cave. Yeah, I love it. Yeah, it's good. And when we come back, there are a bunch of herogen ships like hanging out with the Voyager. It looks like they're traveling together.
Starting point is 00:14:57 Mm-hmm. A roagen have taken over. The angle of the Voyager in exterior looks like a, a, a bane ship has merged with it. Oh, you know, the way it's going by. Yeah. I found that confusing. I was generally confused for much of this episode.
Starting point is 00:15:18 Well, they're not quite using tick-based starship technology. So I don't think that they merged with it. But in 6B, the body of the captain is getting scanned and the voices over her are saying that she's going to survive. They wave a little light over her neck and it reveals a little like three-prong gadget on her neck. This is her neural interface. gadget on her neck. She's her neural interface. It seems pretty important. And the way they describe it is that it has everything
Starting point is 00:15:49 to do with why Janeway believes she was a Klingon in that holodeck program. Because she was really throwing herself into the role, wasn't she? The holodeck will never yield. Yeah, kind of a surprising interest for her. This is not her usual holiday program choice. Yeah, she's usually kind of doing like big dress period pieces.
Starting point is 00:16:10 Yeah. Not swinging batlets at warrior's heads. This is more of an armor ripper than a bodice ripper. It's subtle. I wondered if they gave any consideration to putting the neural interface on like the middle of the forehead or something. Like head on. Yeah. Neck just seems like not where your your neuro is, you know. I mean, I guess the back of the neck, where a nub in would stick its butt out, but when it comes to
Starting point is 00:16:39 a neuro transmitters, I subscribe to the Trina rule, which is put it on my neck, my back, my pussy or my crack. Yeah, I mean, I think that we're well known for following the Trina rule in all things on this show. In this house, we subscribe to the Trina rule. We subscribe to the Trina rule That's a yard sign that you can probably buy at podchapp.biz this week. Yeah Gotta get that story going again In this house we believe in my neck my back is welcome here
Starting point is 00:17:36 My pussy means love. We do science on my crack. So the two bans that are talking here are like, yeah, like, I mean, like we're, we're the neural interface isn't working exactly the way it's supposed to, but the other one is like, no, no, no, no. This thing is working great. She's going to believe whatever we program or her to believe she is. Sure seems like there are different, like all of the different bands. Should you act different culturally? Because these seem very distinct from the giantains of the first meeting of the culture.
Starting point is 00:18:07 Right, right. Yeah, I wonder if these bains have like, like Napoleon syndrome of bains. Yeah, I mean, the more we learn about the bains throughout this episode and the next, the more clear it is that this is sort of a bain diaspora, right? Yeah, they spread out all over the place. And, uh, Nari, the Bane shall meet.
Starting point is 00:18:29 Yeah. We cut to seven of nine in, uh, a sequined dress. She's singing, and that isn't the weirdest part to me. The weirdest part is she's singing great. Jerry Ryan is a great singer. She really is. What's also weird to me is that the holodeck did go to the treble of making Janeway look
Starting point is 00:18:52 like a Klingon in that other simulation, but in this simulation, everybody gets to keep their OG loaf. Yeah, that felt unusual to me too. I mean, if you're Jerry Ryan and you see what's happening in the story, you gotta be thinking that maybe this is a week's worth of shooting where you're not gonna wear the eye dolphin. But it's a sequined dress and the eye dolphin. Right.
Starting point is 00:19:16 It's both and not either or for Jerry Ryan at all. We start to pan around this club. Tuvok is tending bar. There's a bunch of nasi officers hanging around and we get Catrin, the proprietress who is wearing like a tailcoat and you know, she's really dressed to the nines as the as the classy dame that runs this French bar and restaurant that that Nazis hang out with. It's called the Côre de Lyon. What mean? Heart of the Lion, Adam.
Starting point is 00:19:51 Heart of the Lion. Cool. Yeah. She takes particular interest when a couple of iron cross-wearing SS bains come in. Yeah, she's distracted from... I mean, she's doing great hospitality as she sort of floats around the club. She's great at this. She is.
Starting point is 00:20:12 And it becomes clear as these guys come in that she and Tuvak are kind of speaking soda of Oce about some La Rese's stonstime shit that they're up to. And these veins are the subject of an operation they're working on. They're sort of discussing the veins in terms of their resume. This is a nice scene to just sort of catch us up. Yeah. To what's happening with them. And when seven finishes their song, there's kind of a beta-bane that gets his nut smash for not being good at playing whatever game this is that we're seeing. Sit down and play the game.
Starting point is 00:20:50 Right. Drowning yourself into the role is something that the Starfleets are all doing unwillingly, but the bains under the leadership of Alpha-Bane are supposed to be playing along with the milieu, and this beta-bane doesn't do that perfectly initially. Kair is the alpha in this scene and he wants to talk to Janeway alone. I'm just gonna call her Janeway. There are too many names and alter egos here.
Starting point is 00:21:17 For the sake of clarity, I'm going to call her Janeway. And together they talk about the particulars of the resistance and the complications of being in the world that they're in. And Kar is kind of seductive in the way that he talks to her. Like he's got charisma in a way that is interesting. But it's kind of hard to figure out how much of the character is Janeway bleeding through Katrina and how much is just all Katrina as a character, right?
Starting point is 00:21:50 Because she's a really practice negotiator, but Janeway is too. Right, and it's also hard to know what AlphaBane knows. Like, Kar is his character in this story. Mm-hmm. Does he, like, he must know that she and her crewmates are playing the resistance in this, but does the character that he's playing know that
Starting point is 00:22:13 is he a Christoph Walts at the beginning of Inglorious Bastards kind of officer where he's pretending not to know things that he actually does know, or is he playing a guy that doesn't know it? So he's acting like he doesn't know it. I think Carr has thrown himself into the performance. I think he's loving this. I think he's acting as if. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:37 He's playing the game utterly. Really showing that beta, who's the alpha? Right. Of course, it's long dead. What? You're going to need to be careful, because I'm going to say this once. Tarange is the name of the beta, and I looked it up and nothing rhymes with Tarange. Nothing?
Starting point is 00:22:57 No. Wow. That's amazing. There's a problem in engineering that needs their attention, and so they leave to take care of that. Yeah, this doesn't make any sense to Katrina, who does not understand what they're talking about. So we cut to later in the night where seven and two of us and the captain are hanging out.
Starting point is 00:23:19 And the captain is very interested in getting a better oscillator for their radio so that they can receive code from the allies so that they can advance their cause in the razy stones. But Sevin is a little bit more interested in upgrading their firepower. She wants to get rockets. Explosives, we need a launcher that can fire armor, piercing grenades. This turns into a little bit of a debate. We learn that Sevin is their munitions expert, every lounge singer, secretly and explosives fiend. Yeah, I mean, we could have known that earlier
Starting point is 00:23:53 from the cannons, Ben. But also there's some suspicion on the part of Tuvac that she may be an infiltrator. There's some discussion that she might be advocating for things aside from what Katrina wants for nefarious reasons. They're so casual about the idea of, well, if she continues being suspicious, we'll just have to kill her, right? And they both agree, like, yeah, I mean, we can always kill her.
Starting point is 00:24:20 For now, let's keep her around. It's really kind of unnerving every time they talk about something like that in this episode because you know that the safeties are off and that when people get hurt they go to six bay. So if they cap someone, if they shoot someone in the head because they believe that they are in France and the mid-40s and this person is working with Z Germans. It's like the cruelest way to die, like just because everybody around you believed a fake story.
Starting point is 00:24:53 I mean, I thought a lot about who would be a prime candidate for that sort of death. And conveniently, we cut to Nelix, riding a bike full of baguettes and wine through town. And I'm like, surely this is the moment. Or a cruel brutal killing happens. Yeah, where we're like a spitfire crashes into him in the town square. I love a French town square where the camera swings past a hillside in Los Angeles in between
Starting point is 00:25:27 the buildings every so often. How about this camera move, by the way? It's really cool. The following of him through town seemed very sophisticated. Yeah, it's really nice. He gets stopped by a couple of SS officers. One of them is Beta Bane. The other is a human German officer.
Starting point is 00:25:45 And they're harassing him. They like break his baguette in half. They pour out his wine. They know he's up to something. They don't trust him. At least they let him keep the bottle. Getting his shit tossed sucks. Do you have to break the baguette?
Starting point is 00:26:01 Do you have to do that? Whoa. Who's hiding shit in a baguette? I mean, maybe somebody that's like on a keto diet, you know, oh, this baguette's all for show. I mean, famously, Pee, we hit a nail file in a foot long hot dog, right? Right. So, you know, there's lots of different things that you could potentially, I mean, a baguette's even bigger than a hot dog.
Starting point is 00:26:23 Imagine the size of the nail file you could stick in a bag get. Look at that thing. What kind of nailist is that thing even file? You sneak in a Vienna sausage miniature, a foot long hot dog, regular size, and a bag get. Whoa. Yeah, so Neelix is permitted to leave.
Starting point is 00:26:46 And in a cafe somewhere else, we see that BLT is also here. Also in Loaf? Yeah. Neelix arrives and boy, turns out kind of a close call when he got his shit looked at because the label to the wine that he brought has a key that they use to decode a radio message that they're listening in on on the British radio network. Mm-hmm. Every 45 seconds, a broadcast of what sounds like innocuous weather reports apparently
Starting point is 00:27:17 is giving them stuff that they need to decode this message. And it's a message from Allied command about troop movements that will impact St. Claire, the town that they're in. Right. And there is a invitation to help by disabling Nazi communications, right? So that they can't call for help in the Americans show up. But this is a really kind of impossibly dangerous mission if they chose to take it on. Yeah. I mean, who could you send to do an impossible mission, but some kind of impossible
Starting point is 00:27:49 mission force? Right. Maybe I can help. A pregnant force. Like BLT. I need to see my special friend, even if it means bothering him at the office. They wrote Roxanne Dawson's pregnancy into this one. It's great. It's great.
Starting point is 00:28:05 It's great. I mean, what isn't so great is she's mothering a child made with a Nazi officer, and that's the plan, right? You can't go in and disable these Nazi communications without a way inside HQ and BLT provides that way. Yeah. Talk about throwing yourself into the role. My goodness. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:27 So she is going to go get her way into the command center that the Nazis have set up here in town. She's on her way there, a French woman spits at her feet in the road because the locals don't like that she's been bedding down with one of the nazis. And she fakes like a contraction or something and everybody's like, oh god, we got to get her inside. And they run her in and it's the human SS officer dude that she is in a relationship with. The Nazis famously concerned about the pain of others. They see her outside and bring her in immediately.
Starting point is 00:29:07 Yeah. The student is talking to the Alpha Bane about what he loves about being in the German military in the 40s. Our fellow officers might prefer gold or land, but for me, the greatest prize of war is art. Yeah. We hear all about his master race theory. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:26 There's an argument about the fairness of this fight. Yeah. Around and around they go, it gets pretty heated. The Colonel, Bane Alpha guy, really starts to, I mean, like, despite some of the appeals of fascism to a heroine, starts to poke some holes in the honorability of the plot that the Nazis were prosecuting in the 40s. Right.
Starting point is 00:29:48 I mean, it's weird, right? Because he's a bane, I think his emphasis is more on like the complacency that one might feel in a wartime like this, you know? Because he's all about like the hunting code as all beans are. He loves that hunting code. He doesn't feel like the Germans like swept into France in a way that was super honorable.
Starting point is 00:30:11 He's looking forward to a fairer fight, a more interesting, you know, even-toed fight. But they don't get to get all the way into this because BLT comes in looking for her baby daddy and the band has to go. I love how BLT's baby daddy, who does not have a name in this episode. Yeah. Like, he's so excited that she's there, that he immediately defaults to person
Starting point is 00:30:38 who just brags about the shit in his office. Like, he kind of turns into Dirk from Boogie Night's showing off his new house. Like, and here's a bean bag chair. There are only three like this and all of your. Yeah. Yeah. And look at these leopard print curtains. There's a very funny camera movement
Starting point is 00:30:55 while they're like looking around at all the stuff in his office where she looks over into a corner and a guy that we haven't seen yet is like on headphones listening to a German radio. I know, little German. He's staying over there. It was so funny the way that that shot because it looks like he's just another decoration in the office like anything else. Yeah. Oh, you got one of those too, I see.
Starting point is 00:31:18 Very interesting. Cool. So many wonderful things. You just throw a sheet over him when you're dead. He's like the Saul Rubenette character in the most toys. He's got one German radio officer. It's great. These are very rare.
Starting point is 00:31:35 I have the only one in the quadrant. I only don't want to do it. Coffee, black, make it yourself. I'm trying to help you see this as an opportunity to grow. Make it yourself. I'm trying to help you see this as an opportunity to grow. Make it yourself. Outside Tarange and a random, continue to bitch about all the not hunting that they're doing when they spat Nelix.
Starting point is 00:31:53 And just decide to start licking shots, right? Yeah. This guy seems worth hunting. No one cares about him. I mean, it's very funny after hearing about the like fair fight ethos from the main guy that they're like, hey, there's a pots on a bike. Let's start shooting it. Tyrange is not down with the cause. No. It's pointless. We should be getting the hunt.
Starting point is 00:32:13 He's pretty disaffected with the whole plan here. And when they start shooting at Nielix, Nielix wants to get his wine bottle, but he has no cover until seven starts firing back. And the two of them go running through the streets and she tells him like, forget about that wine bottle. That wine bottle is fucking gone, man. Yeah. They retreat into the safety of an alley, which is not safe at all because it's a dead end. Yeah. And they get shot in the back. all because it's a dead end. And they get shot in the back. RSVP seven and Niela. Yeah. Not really because this is a catch and release situation, Ben.
Starting point is 00:32:58 Yeah, the Bains are being really careful not to murder anyone because they just patch them back up in the six bay and put them right back into the game. Yeah, we watched this happen. Doc and a Bane nurse are in there and they're not getting along well at all, are they? No, I mean, the doc merely adopted being a medical professional. The Bane nurse was born there. The doc is really annoyed. He does not like that they just keep hurting his crewmates
Starting point is 00:33:22 and then sending them down here to get patched up. They've been stabbed, shot, beaten, phasered, and batlift over the past three weeks. Their bodies weren't designed for this kind of punishment. I always love a bit about how easy it is to solve a medical problem in Star Trek, like, uh, oh yeah, like she's broken several bones and she's got a punctured lung. This is gonna take an hour to fix. Right, Right. I love hearing about an arrangement that was made off screen. In the scene, the doc tells Carr that this isn't part of what they negotiated earlier. There was a real grade school style, no hits to the face rule that they thought was going to be law, but serious head injuries were off limits.
Starting point is 00:34:06 And look at all of these head injuries says the DAC because he gestures around. Well, beta band is shitty at shooting projectile weapons. He grew up with energy weapons. He's just not used to it. Yeah, not used to the kick. The holiday safeties are off. That's another thing we learn here. And the DAC is really the only person on the crew keeping the Voyager crew alive.
Starting point is 00:34:29 This is why they split the duties in the Six Bay, right? You got the Bane guy working on Banes, and you got the dock working on Voyagers. And up in the bridge, Harry Kim is working on keeping the ship more or less running, and it looks like he's had a particularly rough go of it. If you're Kim, do you feel bad about being left out of the holodeck thing? Oh, like a survivor's guilt thing. Like, they're all really like suffering in the holodeck and I'm out here sitting pretty. I mean, either that or like he's not viewed as important or threatening enough to hunt for sport. Like, they sized him up and they were like, no, this guy can be like the janitor or the AV tech guy.
Starting point is 00:35:14 Like, he's not worth hunting. Is kind of a hurtful feeling. Yeah, I mean, I guess you need an operations person that knows the ship. So they got to keep at least one person like that. But yeah, you would want to be like, yeah, this guy's tough as fuck. We got to put a chip on his neck, trick him into fighting us. I thought for a second, holodeck FOMO would be HOMO, but it's not. It's FOMOHO. FOMOHO. I like it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:46 So he's been used to expand the holodeck tremendously. He's he's been working on installing holo emitters all over the ship. And this is a process that is eating up more and more power. And alpha band is like, yeah, yeah. We'll get you all the power you need.
Starting point is 00:36:03 Like just keep making bigger and bigger holodex. Like the whole ship I want to basically be a holodeck by the time you're done. Holodeck is the ship lap of Voyager. It's getting, they're putting it everywhere. Yeah. Replicate enough emitters for the task. We cut to Kim doing some of this work and he's working with a guy named Ashmore. And I've never been so sure that this guy was pre-dead in my life.
Starting point is 00:36:31 I bet so much Latinum on this. Wow, wow. Yeah. I mean, he looks sweaty and scared in a way that a pre-dead often looks. God. Yeah. I guess Harry is a little bit sweaty too. I was thinking it was like a little bit sweaty too. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:36:45 I was thinking it was like a little bit cruel that they didn't give him the little moisture dabbing pads to make him look less shiny on camera. But I think that's what they were going for. I mean, checkups, Ashmore lives for the next three minutes on screen, and I was riveted by him because he sent away to go like get some more tools and I was like, okay, here it comes.
Starting point is 00:37:08 We're going to see that dude skull in no time. That skull is going to be in some guy's fishing net in a ready room on this ship. So he rounds the corner and goes and gets some parts and that leaves Kim alone for the conversation with the doc. Yeah, it turns out there's going to be more than one raisey stunts in this episode. There's the raisey stunts in the simulation, and there's the raisey stunts that Kim and the doctor are putting together
Starting point is 00:37:34 out in reality. They're going to sort of run in parallel. There's coffee in the resistance. The plan is for the doc to help disable those neural emitters. But before he can finish describing the plan, the bane in the back brings ashmore back onto the scene. And I was like, what is this guy still doing here? I thought he'd be dead by now. It's a real business in the front bane in the back situation. Yeah. And yeah, ashmore is not dead. I guess Kim has to just transfer the docs program around the
Starting point is 00:38:07 corners. They're conversation. This scene is all about building tension, but like it is silly. It's silly and easy. Up in the ready room, AlphaBane talks to BetaBane about, I mean, he's already got big plans for this. He's looking for the next simulation. And the next simulation he wants to do is Wolf 359. He wants to set that up on the ship. Sounds pretty fun. A rojan fight in the borgs.
Starting point is 00:38:36 Also, I've got plenty of netting here that I think would look pretty good with some of Ashmore's bones. Yeah, there are some empty nets hanging around the captain's office now, which is pretty fun. It seems like the rogian are not aware of the borgs, which is kind of surprising. Yeah, I mean, Carr is kind of an empty netter, which makes him sad and alone, seeming most of the time. Yeah, you know, he walks into a net and, you know, he forgets why he walked in there in
Starting point is 00:39:04 the first place, and he just kind of like looks around in the lack of bones or other trophies Kind of overtakes him and he just kind of breaks into a sob Maybe he could just turn that empty net into a guest bedroom or a hobby space That's what my own bains did That's what my own bains did. Uh-huh. When I moved out, I will use this room to store my tennis rackets. All of these books, we didn't have room for them before, but now, so many bookcases,
Starting point is 00:39:43 and our guests will be impressed at how literary we are. VHS cassettes will come back into fashion. Alphabet kind of starts to explain what he's up to in this scene, and he's talking to beta Bayon about how he has sort of foreseen a Situation where the hero gen have gotten to a point where they're spread too thin They are so obsessed with hunting that they're actually not adapting to the changing galaxy that they're in and he kind of describes that they're in. And he kind of describes Harroje and Hunting as being their technique for space exploration. They go hunt different shit and learn things about the shit that they're hunting and by extension themselves. But they're supposed to adapt eventually based on those
Starting point is 00:40:35 things that they've learned. And he's like, we're stuck in the mud, man. All we do is hunt, we never learn. We fucked up the second part of that whole thing. Cards gives Taranj a copy of your change in galaxy. Which is mostly a picture book that shows like moons with pubic hair on them. Yeah, and Tar, drown just like UGH! UGH! UGH! Oh my god. I don't want to change! I'm not into this at all. I am too young to be looking at this.
Starting point is 00:41:15 I am not comfortable showering with a nebula. Yeah. I've got to get that. Not now put your light number your mouth. I've got to get that. Not now it's just a joke. A greatest-gen live show is something you don't want to miss. Why?
Starting point is 00:41:34 Well, it's a great opportunity to see me and Ben in person, but that's not all. FODs from all over gather at these shows to cosplay, to do pre- and post-show hangs, to make friends, and share their embarrassment. Hey, let's make a pretty great name for a tour. Let's do it. The Share Your Embarrassment Tour is coming in August, 2023. And we've got a bunch of dates in a lot of great places. Go to GreatestGenTour.com to get more info.
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Starting point is 00:42:39 Being smart is hard. Be dumb instead. Whoa, Russ. Hey, hey, hey, hey, oh, I'm about to count you in line. These clouds are really freaking me out. I hate having to stand in line. And boy, what do I? These giraffes do not smell good.
Starting point is 00:42:54 No, they do not, and they've such short nacks. But I'm hearing we need to get on this off. We've got to get on the art. It is about terrain, about a spout to destroy humanity. Hey, oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. Are you Noah? Yeah, I know we look like humans, but we're actually We're podcasters. We are podcasters. So it's different. Have you heard of Ono Ross and Carrie? We investigate spirituality, claims of the paranormal stuff like that. And you have a boat and say the world's gonna end. So same
Starting point is 00:43:17 Like something for us to check out. We would love to be on the boats. We came to by two. What do you think? O'Neil Ross and Kerry, available on MaximumFun.org. I've got tickets that, Lucknam gets that. All the better large men here. I've got tickets that, Lucknam is selling a heist. Gold. Kind of interesting that Alpha Bay,
Starting point is 00:43:40 and sort of thinks of himself as like a visionary who wants to push the hero gen Tour a more enlightened future. And he kind of both in voice and in like not having the total buy-in of his crew really reminded me of the Kurtwood Smith character from Murav Hell. He's sort of unflapable and has this grand plan. It's not the tragic plan of the Kurtwood Smith character, but in the same way of the lackeys on that ship, not really believing in what he's doing.
Starting point is 00:44:19 Yeah. This guy has a bunch of subordinates that are like, yeah, I think I just kind of want to hunt and kill shit. And uh, this whole like goofing around in the holodeck thing doesn't hold a lot of appeal to me. I got some real Gullma Dread vibes from car starting here and throughout the rest of the episode. Like interesting. This is someone that we should hate But when he constructs a logical architecture around his insane worldview like this is an episode that wants you to respect him and
Starting point is 00:44:58 in some ways like not want him to die or Were he to die feel bad about that moment, you know? Right, like this was like the moderating influence in the hero gen and we would be fools not to encourage him to. And I'm not saying that like I felt good feelings about Goma dread at all. What I'm doing is like I'm drawing a comparison between like quality of bad guy.
Starting point is 00:45:23 Right. And like a thinking bad guy in a fucked up way, right? He's a real galaxy brain bad guy. Yeah. And when this conversation is over, we're back down in 6 Bay, where 7 is waking up on the bio bed and she has no memory of what's going on in the holodeck. She is totally under the control of this little chip on her neck, and the doctor is whispering to her about, hey, like, you've got an implant that can overload this thing.
Starting point is 00:45:51 So I'm going to send you back in there, like, because we have no choice, but you're going to wake up inside the simulation. I don't think we've seen a depiction yet of a character so far inside and other characters' nuke. Who? As the doctor is inside of Seven of Nine's nook. He's deep in the nook. He's so deep in the nook. He may never be able to come back up for air. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:13 I mean, we've talked about it before. There's real life close and then there's camera close, but this seems close, even for camera close. Yeah, this is like, feel the other person's body heat on your skin close. And you know, given the doctor's admission that he's the person that chose what's happened, you know, a tire was going to be like, makes you uncomfortable. Yeah. The fighting has been going on for 19 days. It's been almost three
Starting point is 00:46:46 weeks since the Bains took over the ship. And he describes that like they've been trying every different war like she was in the Crusades for for some of it. The Bains are really really enjoying all of the different conflicts that they can boot up in the holodeck and try out with the people. conflict that they can boot up in the holodeck and try out with the people. It's risky what he's asking her to do because she's going to reboot in a simulation that she doesn't remember. She's going to have to act as if in some way. The one program they haven't booted up is the Resort program and the conflict over who's going to pick up the check for all the blender beverages. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:26 No survivors of that one, my friend. I don't think that the Bains could win in a fight against such long guy. Yeah, you're gonna need a bigger energy weapon to take that thing on. That guy's got a BFG. It really does. I don't know, I guess so. So the doc sends seven back in via sedation and we come back, she's singing in the lounge in the Curdolillon.
Starting point is 00:47:57 And then she shorts out and like seven of nine, not the character in the story is suddenly there. And she doesn't know what the song was, she doesn't know any of these words, she doesn't know how to sing. I love the sound effect they used for the implant sizzling. It's big fun. Yeah, you hate to hear an implant fail mid-song like that, it's so frustrating for the audience. I must discontinue this activity. You can't quit mid karaoke song, Ben. No. You get to see it all the way through. If you're going to step to the stage at a karaoke club, you've got to get it, player. If you are singing, don't stop believing, you need to not stop believing in your ability to sing that song. So she gets off the stage and Katrina does
Starting point is 00:48:51 not like this. This is ruining the night. Look, I don't care if you're dying. Get back out there. Do you think Katrina is Klingon Trina? Yes. Okay, me too. My ridge. My ridge. My loaf, my teeth, my boob window. My cleaf. I think we're all feeling the strain. She's playing these nazis for information. She wants to figure out how they're going to knock out comms for the impending invasion
Starting point is 00:49:23 by the Allies. She she can't do that if the evening's entertainment isn't up there distracting them. So this is just making her and two-vac suspect seven more and more of being maybe in league with the Nazis actually. Yeah, this is the worst possible time for that kind of thing. Yeah, it's not good. It really makes you feel as though Seven's life is in danger. This is really great setup. I really agree. And we cut away to a tent where Chicoete and Paris are playing American soldiers who are
Starting point is 00:49:59 planning the invasion of St. Clair. I love how much time passes before we see these characters. Yeah. I was how much time passes before we see these characters. Yeah. I was delighted to see them. Yeah. And they're a captain and a lieutenant. Sounds great. Am I making any sense here?
Starting point is 00:50:12 Getting the battle plan together. Paris, ironically, has spent some time in France as a younger man. He knows St. Clair. He's got a gal back there. He's looking forward to seeing her. Yeah. And the way that he describes her sounds like she's got some great big loaf. Sounds like you kind of grow loaf for days. So you know, they've heard tell that there's going to be some assistance from the local resistance. And that's some great news. But a lot is left
Starting point is 00:50:44 to uncertainty. They don't know how good this resistance is. The tension throughout the rest of this episode seems to be coming from Seven who is like trying to act as if she is her character. Yeah. And that's hard in this scene that follows because like they're going over the plan
Starting point is 00:51:01 to destroy the communications transmitter. They've changed into chain of command outfits. Yeah. Yeah. And seven of nine is in one of them. Like they haven't completely lost faith in her. The black sweaters of this episode are awesome. And I feel like eight of them hit the Star Trek auction decades ago. And I really feel bad about missing out on those. It's the only way to really feel warm at them. But she's like conspicuously quiet and present
Starting point is 00:51:29 in this meeting, like just sort of trying not to be noticed. Yeah, she's taking notes. You're like, why are you writing this down? Don't write this down. Why are you looking at those grenades and also forgetting to put detonators in explosives? Janeway is not thrilled with her sloppiness and she makes eyes with two Vox and two Vox-like.
Starting point is 00:51:49 Oh. Yeah. There's a sound effect for two Vox-look. It's suspicious eyes to commercial. And when we cut back, Harry Kim is working in the mess hall and brings the dock in so that they can continue to collude. Now they have somebody inside the simulation in 7 of 9, but this is one person and it's not done enough to completely put their plan into action.
Starting point is 00:52:18 And the hunters are kind of on to Harry. Like a couple of bains come in and they're like, what the fuck are you doing in here? And he's like, I'm like getting the replicators working so that everybody can eat delicious food while they're getting ready for their hunts. It's pretty surprising to me how lippy Kim is to them. But then I remembered how much they need Kim to keep the holodex running on time, you know?
Starting point is 00:52:42 Right. And that's kind of what they're famous for, right? Yeah. The bains got the holodex running on time, you know? Right. And that's kind of what they're famous for, right? Yeah. The pains got the holodex running on time. He kind of explains away what he's doing there by saying, like, oh, yeah, there was a communications thing. I was busy with other stuff, you know, shit so fucked up around here because of you guys. Like, who knows what wires connect to what anymore?
Starting point is 00:53:03 And they're like, show me the evidence of that. Yeah. Harry came and he's like, well, I wouldn't want to be late to the bridge. Why don't we call your boss and see what he thinks? Yeah. Yeah. And this is the best thing he could have said because Tyrange has to stand down because he is still the beta to cars alpha.
Starting point is 00:53:22 So they send Harry back up to the bridge and he gets away with it for this time. But it seems like a lot is riding on Harry Kim's ability to like get like the systems shut down when seven has to like disable something in the holodeck. Yeah, we really cut around a lot from here to the end of the episode. We do. Yes, in front of you, the U.S.S. New York, New York, Captain of the town. The U.S.S.
Starting point is 00:53:50 New York, New York. The set is so big. This fake French town that they shot on. I wonder if they built it for a movie or something. I didn't look this up. It just, it looks like a back lot to me. Like a standing set. But do they like,
Starting point is 00:54:04 does Hollywood have enough, like French village stories getting shot every year to like warrant there being a permanent back lot set of French village? Absolutely. Okay. I take your word for it. I had no problem with this.
Starting point is 00:54:21 Okay. This is great. This is the dream of Hollywood. I don't have a problem with it either. I just thought problem with this. Okay. This is great. This is the dream of Hollywood. I don't have a problem with it either. I just thought it was remarkable. This is the dream of television production in the 90s. Yeah, no kidding. Well, the Captain and Seven sneak into the Nazi command center, well, two Voc and his submachine gun
Starting point is 00:54:45 weighed outside for them. And they bonk the German radio operator on the back of the head. And the captain's like really interested in what he's decoding, what he's got there next to him. Seven starts like pulling books out of a bookcase and there's Star Trek technology behind it. And she starts swapping ice,
Starting point is 00:55:04 all linear chips and stuff. The captain's like, what are you doing? Clearly you're in league with the Germans. You're not helping me with this radio. What is that over there? Her excuse is a little flimsy in this scene. You're sending a message to the Nazis. No.
Starting point is 00:55:19 Step away. Or I'll kill you. I think two Valkwood are just shot around sight. I agree. They're having this dispute while Morse code is coming in. And I really liked how that Morse code sound effect crossfaded with the beep beep beeps on the bridge when Harry Kim realizes that he now has access
Starting point is 00:55:38 to the holodeck from a bridge station. This computer screen has no chill. The letters are gigantic when it says, shit is going down on Holodeck one. Yeah, the computer's like, wow, it would be a shame if something happened to the simulation on Holodeck one. And Harry's like, shh, it's name.
Starting point is 00:56:00 If I'm Harry Kim, I would want those screen protectors on all of my monitors that make it so that you can only see what's being said head on. Yeah. Yeah, like in a car rental or whatever, and you like crane your neck around to look at it, and they're like, sorry, please sir. This is not good. His spot is below, and if anyone looks over a shoulder. If anyone got in Kim's nook, this plan is finished. Yeah, but the beans don't really seem like nook people. No, no, you're right.
Starting point is 00:56:28 In six bay, the doc gets a similarly giant message on his screen. Yeah, he's trying to shut off the neural transmitter for the captain and he gets it done just in time. Like, she is putting pressure on the trigger about to shoot seven when her transmitter goes off and suddenly it's the captain and not Katrina and she's aware. And then we cut away. Right. And we're in Star Trek caves with Canelix and Tobane. What's amazing about how Canelix looks is that
Starting point is 00:57:06 this is low fun loaf. Like for Ethan Phillips, he had to put on his Neelix loaf. And then on top of that, he had to put on his cling on loaf. It's a low fun loaf crime. Let's be honest. He's got the worst of it makeup wise. These next two episodes, right? It really does.
Starting point is 00:57:24 The cutaway is so brief. It's so like, yeah, so Nelix is also around and he's a Klingon in this. And then we just cut back to six babe where one of the Bains has like a gun to the M H's head, which is like, do you guys not understand what the M H is? It seemed like you understood what he was. Do you even need Nelix in this episode?
Starting point is 00:57:47 I might save him for the second one. I feel like they're probably just like, well, we gotta pay him, you know, those names in the credits. I guess. We might as well throw that poor sucker in love, get him in for one moment. I guess so.
Starting point is 00:58:02 Look, I'm pro paying of actors. Yeah. So if that's the reason that I'm all in. So the Bains realized something is wrong. They realized that the captain's neural transmitter has been disabled and they send armed Bains into the holodeck to solve this. And and they are not in in Nazi garb. They're just wearing their blue And they are not in Nazi garb. They're just wearing their blue bane clothes. And this turns into a street fight where two Valk is submachine gunning them and they're firing back with their huge energy rifles.
Starting point is 00:58:33 And then the Americans come in and offer some backup to Mr. Tuvalk. This is great. This is a great scene. This is what you want. The cavalry to ride you to rescue. The captain and seven are trying to get more access up to Harry on the bridge so that more people can be woken up from their weird slumber when Chicote starts calling in artillery strikes and
Starting point is 00:59:01 makes a joke that the you know, the artillery guy is not wildly accurate traditionally speaking. So you may want to duck. I mean, close enough is what the result is. I mean, the tragedy is all that art. It's just blown a bit, right? Oh, yeah. The cultural legacy of Europe destroyed in this one moment.
Starting point is 00:59:23 The paintings, the sculptures, the radio man in the corner. I'll destroy it. I love the miniature that they blow up. This is like a Independence Day level building blow up, man. It is really fun movie magic here. It's great. Yeah. Lieutenant Paris makes contact with Brigitte, the BLT character. Yeah. Kind of awkward. Yeah. Lieutenant Paris makes contact with Brigitte,
Starting point is 00:59:45 the BLT character. Yeah. Kind of awkward. Yeah. Given what she's packing. Hahaha. We just saw a movie together. How did, how did that happen?
Starting point is 00:59:58 I didn't know you could get pregnant from touching a dick that's poked through the bottom of a popcorn bucket. Hahaha. a dick that's poked through the bottom of a popcorn bucket. Up on the bridge, we get a banger. And Harry reports that this is the explosion in holodeck one. And down in the holodeck, the soldiers look over the ridge at where that Nazi headquarters was. And we see like four or five floors of Voyager decks exposed with the wall of the Holladek blown out.
Starting point is 01:00:32 It looks really cool. It's a fucking great special effect. You so rarely are confronted with a ship in its verticality deck by deck like this outside of a schematic. Like you see the schematic and you know there's a bunch of floors stacked on top of each other, but to like see them practically like this is big fun. It's really, really cool. And the button on the episode is Harry Kim explaining to Alpha Bane. Like, now we are not in control of what's going on with the hollow emitters. And the war
Starting point is 01:01:04 is spreading throughout the shit. Like, Kim Lowkey gets some great dialogue here when he's explaining the situation to Carr. You wanted a war? Looks like you've got one. I feel like the last time on for the next episode really needs to draw heavily on this stuff from Kim right here because it's so movie trailer dialogue. It's very cool. It is very cool
Starting point is 01:01:27 Adam, but did you like this episode? I was really surprised by so many aspects of it, the scope of production was enormous and felt enormous. Yeah. It didn't feel like they spared many expenses here, like the costuming and the destruction shown on the ship and on these exterior sets looked lived in and realistic in a really fun way. The war movie camera angles, Ben, you and I are enthusiasts for the war movie genre. And like, there was something so familiar about like the up high top down shots on like the town square
Starting point is 01:02:16 or like the tracking shot with Nielix on his motorcycle, the long lens spy stuff. This is a visual language to a war film that they totally used here in this episode and it made it feel authentic in a really fun and satisfying way. I really enjoyed it a lot. They did a great job. This is a great Star Trek is a place episode and it's so adventurous in how it chooses to unfold its story. It's not a traditional, we ran into these aliens, it didn't go great, this is what started to happen.
Starting point is 01:02:49 It's like, so much has happened already by the time we get into this story and it's really a story about them getting out of a scrape. Right. I definitely confused this in my memory of Voyager with Year of Hell because of that, because of the like two episode arc where the ship is getting like deeply, deeply fucked up. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:11 Elements to it. And I do feel like they have a lot of DNA in common, but they're telling such radically different stories that it's interesting that they're in the same season, but I feel like they do really different things with, you know, a lot of similar building blocks at their core. So I thought this was a really fun episode too. One thing I wanted to note before I move on is that if you were to tell me that we were gonna stick aliens covered in love
Starting point is 01:03:41 inside Nata uniforms, and that wasn't going to read as silly. I might not have believed you. Right. But I was very surprised in myself how I felt seeing these aliens in Nazi uniforms. And I think it's because I don't see humanity in those uniforms to begin with. There's like a weird sort of mental algebra happening
Starting point is 01:04:06 when I see them. That's like, well, a human being does not wear that uniform. Therefore, it's just as plausible to see a bane wearing on. Yeah, that's a great way of putting it. And Star Trek often will, you know, go out of its way to condemn Nazism, but like putting the comparison in a, in like an alien that is like sort of morally bankrupt already, and then showing that the Nazis are worse than those guys. I mean, that's another way to make the Bains not seem so bad in a fucked up way. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:41 I mean, at least these Bains, you know. Right, yeah. The Bains are very loosely associated group of people, you know, not all bans. Hashtag not all bans. Yeah, not all bans are bastards. You don't have to punch every bane you see. Dude, what nots he's obviously just not every bane. Then we do have to read every priority one message.
Starting point is 01:05:06 You want to get over there and get that process started? I would love nothing, Wes Adam. PLEASE Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. PLEASE Need a supplement on camera. PLEASE on camera? PLEASE on camera.
Starting point is 01:05:20 PLEASE on camera. Yeah, it's extra. By the interest of loan, could be enough to buy this ship. Our first and second, it's one big grouped up promotional priority one message. There's two of them in this one episode. And it's from Here's to the finest two in Starfleet. And it's from Kate and Steve, your favorite fans ever. And it goes like this.
Starting point is 01:05:45 I'd like to tell a story about two embarrassed men. One's my favorite co-host Adam, and the other's name is Ben. With a friendship built on TNG and love of Making Fun, they created two great podcasts, which are both our number one. We love to watch the episodes they then recount with care. Ben talks us through the storyline and Adam's also there. With a myriad of inside gags and drops to bring a smile, they take us on a trek and make us happy for a while. Their really bad impressions always make us laugh out loud from a quite forgetful click on to a genocidal doubt.
Starting point is 01:06:28 They bring with them an expertise they learned in their careers and add the Dick and Fart jokes for their junior high school peers. Their humor is respectful in so many different ways. Their talk of mental health is so important now at days. So we love you Ben and Adam. More than Stamets loves his spores. More than Riker loves consent. More than War Fluff's open doors. So no matter what big Rod may bring, whatever reboot happens, the two of you will always be our favorite Star Trek captains. Wow. Wow.
Starting point is 01:07:06 That was a well-written poem. It was a well-written poem. I hope I did it justice in the reading. The call to action is just hears to the finest two in Starfleet. What a sweet thing. That's amazing. That's like the most expensive poem in history. You know, like the vanity publishing, like your poem has been selected to be in a collection
Starting point is 01:07:32 of poems. That doesn't even cost two priority one messages. Yeah. You know what I really like? Does sometimes you'll read a poem and the author of that poem like gets the cadence right, like they get all the couplets working, but there's one that's like, that kind of forces you to make the case that it works.
Starting point is 01:07:54 The math of this poem works perfectly throughout. No strained rhymes at all. Yeah. It was just, it was sound of the sears. Yeah. Makes fun of us in a fun way, in a creative way. I feel like getting ribbed by Kate and Steve.
Starting point is 01:08:10 Yeah, this is great stuff, Kate and Steve. Thanks. Are favorite fans ever? Yeah. I wanna print this out and put it on my refrigerator. Yeah, very fun. Pretty sweet. Thanks, you two.
Starting point is 01:08:23 Ben, our second priority one message is from Helaleen, and the message is to Ben and Adam. Last time on Star Trek, the next generation. There's coffee in that. Ankylis or... Vickwis? The board. Am I making any sense here?
Starting point is 01:08:43 Bullshit, man. This is bullshit. This is fucking spectacular. I don't believe this. You're going to put that thing on and parade around like one of them? Hence the word Sabotosh. And now the conclusion.
Starting point is 01:08:57 All you've ever seen! All you've ever seen! All you've ever seen! Ha ha ha! Oh, what? That message basically picked up our draft toy box, flipped it upside down and dumped it onto the show. Expand all remaining drops on our paws, Helene. In a very specific order, but in a thoughtful order.
Starting point is 01:09:17 I liked it. Like, there's a story here. I thought it was really fun. Yeah. Thank you for getting all those drops for us, Helene. I really enjoyed listening to all of those. Helene likes to get on an elevator and just hit every button for every floor. I like all these floors. These floors are good. Good floors, Helene. There's good stuff on every floor.
Starting point is 01:09:35 Yeah. Wow. Well, if you'd like to write us a very expensive poem or you know, queue up some drops or wish somebody a happy birthday or you know, advertise the band or a business. Head to maximumfund.org slash Gembo Tron and set it up today. Today! Hey Adam. Step in. Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? Incredible. Drunk Shimoda! Really wondering if this is your pick too,
Starting point is 01:10:08 but I've got a timecode Shimoda. Okay. A very fun thing happening in a background. Okay. Timecode is 25 minutes 40 seconds. This is the scene that involves the bane walking around Ashmore. And the bane walks Ashmore to the turbo lift behind Harry Kim. And he trips over his giant boots,
Starting point is 01:10:28 getting into the turbo lift back there. Did you notice this? It's kind of in soft focus, but because the trip happens so close to where your eye is supposed to be to look at Kim, I totally got it the first time. And then I backed it up and replayed it a bunch of of times and this guy's just got his boots are too big Boots are big beyond belief He's got great big boots been and they're easy to trip on the carpet while you're wearing them and that's what makes this bane
Starting point is 01:10:58 My drunks, Shemota, what about you? I really like it I was gonna just call the lady that spat at BLT, my drunk Shimoto, but lady's bitter. I think tripping pain is funny, honestly. Like a super soldier from the future with a giant gun that's walking a doomed ashmore off. Yeah. To his certain death.
Starting point is 01:11:21 He probably didn't kill ashmore because he tripped. He was like so embarrassed. He's like, all right, just don't tell anybody that happened. Yeah. I mean, the one who died in that scene was the Bayon of embarrassment. Yeah. No kidding. Great stuff, Adam. Let me tell you about the next episode of this show. And I'm also going to head to goch.bizslashgame and figure out how we will be doing that episode. Of course, it's episode 19 of season four, the killing game, part two. The crew must find a way to defeat the hero gen and reclaim Voyager. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:11:57 Kind of an obvious description of the next episode. Right where this episode should be. I mean, I guess not necessarily obvious in the deep space nine era when arcs could take more than two episodes to resolve. That's fair, yeah. Our runner-bout is currently on Square 38. Out in the distance, we do have the potential
Starting point is 01:12:21 to hit a brown zone square. I'll take you to your charge here. Team leader, Brown, Fourth Mori defense contingent. I gotta get a pump. That's it, get it. I think that's the only modifier we are at risk of hitting. That's our brand new square where we've got to do an episode review using a bunch of glorified for-y tellings. Truly. During the fullness of the episode.
Starting point is 01:12:47 Mm-hmm. You're required to learn as you play, roll. So I'm gonna go and roll this bone, see what comes up, Adam. I did not get us there. I rolled a two. Two-law! Did I win?
Starting point is 01:13:03 I got us to square 40. So next time we roll, we could potentially hit that You got us to square 40. So next time we roll, we could potentially hit that or a cocoa no-no. And you know, there is still that cocoa no-no that you owe the folks just as a reminder. I thought we were evened out. I thought I paid my day.
Starting point is 01:13:19 No, I think we did another cocoa no-no, but it didn't count toward the previous one. I guess it could have but then I wouldn't get it you'd still a one for that one Just love lording this over me Adam doesn't drink enough Adam steals pizzas and fails to do the board game accurately That's the sort of email I get at night. Uh-huh, uh-huh. And you go to sleep and sleep like a baby.
Starting point is 01:13:49 I do, yeah. I don't care about their judgments. I'm probably going to have a baby by the time I QA this episode and I'm going to laugh and laugh when I hear myself comparing you to sleeping like a baby as a good thing. Yeah. All right. comparing you to sleeping like a baby as a good thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right.
Starting point is 01:14:06 Well, that is a regular old episode for next week. I'm looking forward to it, Adam. So am I. That music you're hearing right now is by the great dark material. Did you know that? It is. But the music you heard before that in the episode
Starting point is 01:14:22 was all by Adam Ragusia. Our buddy, the Goose, who is a great friend of the show and a great YouTube chef. He makes great cooking videos and podcasts about cooking and food that you can find over on YouTube or in your pod catcher. And we really recommend them because Goose is smart as hell and knows what he's talking about. And he throws in little references to our podcast occasionally, which I think friends of DeSciota will really appreciate. There's probably old news by now,
Starting point is 01:14:51 but that slap in new theme song to create a strike. Yeah. The Goose put together in like a week, and like with multiple versions and stuff, it makes me so angry that he's that much more talented than us. It's just amazing. We're so fortunate to be friends with them. Speaking of new stuff over on Greatest Trek, the art for our show is made by Nick Dettmore. We've also did the new Greatest Trek artwork and has been helping us a ton
Starting point is 01:15:19 getting Podchapt.biz running and humming along in the way that I'm sure it is by the time this episode comes out go get a podchapp.biz get yourself something. Is that the home that I've been hearing late at night? Yeah that sort of broken down pipe sound that you hear that's podchapp.biz. Yeah when I put my hands around podchapp.b, a geyser shoots out of my front patio. Ha ha ha ha ha. We're gonna think Wendy Pretty, the producer of this program, without whom this all would be a shambolic mess that probably would have gotten too late and bad.
Starting point is 01:15:58 Glory to Wendy's house. And Glory to Bill Tilly's house. The great Bill Tilly, our card daddy and social Media Director. At greatest track on Instagram and Twitter. Follow those accounts. Always fun stuff going on on there. Always a delight to see what Card Daddy whips up every week
Starting point is 01:16:17 when he makes baseball cards about the show. We got so many great social media groups out there. Adam, there's DrunkShirmoated.com. There's the Wikia, the greatest Jen Wiki. There's Facebook group, there's the Reddit sub, people who use the hashtag, greatest Jen on Twitter, all out there.
Starting point is 01:16:35 All of those places are like owned, operated, and moderated by real friends of DeSoto. Like those are places where friends of DeSoto gather and have a good time. We're not really much of a part of it at all. Yeah, you don't have to talk to us if you go over there. Don't let us be a deterrent. Don't worry about us being a distraction.
Starting point is 01:16:54 With that, we will be back at you next time with another great episode of Star Trek Voyager and an episode of the greatest generation Voyager where Ben and Adam are unaware of the fact that they are also in a simulation. I've always suspected it's gonna be a relief to finally Make it sound like a gun, make it sound. Make it sound like a gun, make it sound. Make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a gun, make it sound like a Don't Audience Supported.

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