The Greatest Generation - Diplomatic Broth (VOY S3E10)

Episode Date: January 31, 2022

When Kes helps a dying widow grieve, her commitment to being a generous host is taken advantage of. But when she leaves Voyager and takes a shuttlecraft with her, Neelix is the only one relieved that her actions aren’t self-motivated. What’s the perfect airport food? Are there “power moves” for transporter operators? How rare is the two-handed mind meld? It’s the episode that fills the clip show device!Exchange scarves for goods at PodShop.bizSupport the production of The Greatest Generation.Friends of DeSoto for Democracy.Friends of DeSoto for Justice.Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Caretaker!Music by Adam Ragusea & Dark MateriaFollow The Greatest Generation on Twitter, and discuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen!The Greatest Generation is now regularly streaming on Twitch.Facebook group | Subreddit | Discord | WikiSign up for our mailing list!

Priority 1 message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Hey friends of Disodo. Before today's episode, we just wanted to take a moment to talk about the historic labor actions being taken by writers and actors in the American Film and Television industry. If you're a fan of the work done by the people who make Star Trek, we hope you'll join us in standing in solidarity with the folks who actually bring these adventures to life. Over the past several years, the AMPTP, the organization that represents the American Film and Television Production Studios, have reduced the profit from movies and TV going to workers. And in so doing,

they've attempted to weaken the labor unions that represent those workers. They wouldn't even engage the unions on many issues in their negotiations. And so a strike was the only course of action to take. Adam, Wendy and I have been having a lot of internal discussions about how best to stand with the unions and we are continuing those conversations in a dynamic situation. We're doing our best to understand where the picket lines are in these digital spaces,

and we would never intentionally cross one. With the information we have, we feel like we can do more good talking about and supporting the strike and continuing our show as planned. We'll keep you informed about what all this means for greatest trek specifically. Today we're making a contribution to the Entertainment Community Fund. This fund exists to help all the people whose livelihoods have been put on hold because the AMPTP refuses to negotiate

in good faith with the unions. It provides financial support for writers, actors, and all the thousands of laborers who make the shows that we talk about here and without whom we wouldn't have Star Trek to cast pot about. Those folks are all out of work because billionaires, company shareholders, and the executives of these companies don't want to compromise on the length of their yachts. We hope you'll join us in supporting entertainment workers in a challenging time, especially after they've already endured several years of challenges brought on by the pandemic

and season two of Star Trek Picard. We've set up a page where you can also contribute. It's at friendsofdecotoforlabor.com. That's friendsofdececoto for Labor.com. That's FriendsOfDecoto for Labor.com. Link in the episode description. Okay, now let's get on with the show. Bringing what is the U.S. in What is the U.S. in What is the U.S. in What is the U.S. in

What is the U.S. in Welcome to the greatest Generations Star Trek podcast by a couple of guys who are just a little bit embarrassed to have a Star Trek podcast. I'm Ben Harrison. I'm Adam Pranica. Well, Yon there, Adam.

You alright? No, I Well, Yon there, Adam. You alright? No, I wasn't. I wasn't Yawning. I was, I carry a lot of tension in my jaw. Oh. I don't know if you knew that. Because of Bruxism. I mean, that's a thing that only happens for me at night,

but a lot of times, like if I choose to be present in any given moment, I will notice that tightness and I'll just try to stretch it out. I'll do it before a show sometimes. I always think of that as just being you showing me your fangs to intimidate me. Yeah. I mean, there are a lot of mental tortures I deploy, like just before we hit record. Better get you off balance.

Yeah. Yeah. It's what you want in a co-host. I'm sure I've always got on stage having just been told that you've got my back out there. The back is just where I put the kick me, son. I've got a target on your back is what is what you really mean. You say it's not like that for you and Dan Kennedy. He's not constantly sticking a finger in your eye.

Dan Kennedy, and I have very complimentary neuroses. He's a fear-based man, and I'm a guilt and shame-based man. Wow. We just really walk on eggshells around each other. That must be nice. Yeah, that's great. One of these days, we'll find a compatible co-host for you, man. It'll happen.

In the meantime, we've got some mail that has come in to the greatest generation podcast. Is that going to soften the blow a little bit? Opening up some nice gifts from our viewers? I hope so. Yeah, this stuff is all stuff that came before the end of 2021. Oh wow. If you're listening to this and you're interested in sending stuff in and already have a PO box written down,

chances are it has changed since last you got it. Yeah, we moved our PO box so that it wasn't all the way across town from both of us. Yeah, weird. Why would we do that? I don't know. I don't know why we made that decision, but we made that decision. I continued to have it closer to my house because your wife has made it very clear to me

that she will not brook you being the person receiving the bulk of the mail anymore. Who's more hostile to the idea of you and the show? Me or her? Some days I started to tell. Yes, well she's never told me she had my back so. Oh yeah, that's how you know you're in trouble. Yeah. So I know I'm in trouble with her. Oh yeah. Well, we've got a bunch of mail here and I was just saying that to let people know that if you would like to send something into the program, reach out to Bill Tilly again to get a new PO box because the old one is no more! Captain, I'm sorry to disturb you. I'm receiving a code 47.

Verify? It is code 47, sir. Starfleet emergency frequency. Captions eyes only. We also didn't fire up Twitch this time. Sorry. Yeah. I mean, those who are watching the show right now live,

we'll get this experience. We're not doing the Twitch this time. But I think you will delight in our descriptions of what's happening if you're consuming the audio only medium of our show. We're going to paint a word picture that is as good as any streaming show. Better than any streaming show. Let's be honest. Yeah, lots better.

Our first package here is from Justice and Peach of Denton, Texas, and it's to us. Denton, Texas, home of the Central Maddick Band that I like very much. Justice and Peach is a jewelry and handcrafts Etsy store. Gentlemen, I've been listening since y'all were twice weekly and I love the show more with each passing year. Voyager was my comfort food during some of the worst times of my life and getting to hear it with y'all now. Things are going surprisingly well. It's a true delight. Please enjoy these handmade, beaded bracelets in command-read engineering gold and science officer blue or aqua. It's not your wives, you might enjoy a pretty intersection of interests.

Or, but y'all might. Hit me up if you want a fourth. Dressilla. Wow. Can you imagine liking our show the a longer you listen to it? That's amazing to hear. These are really cool. Wow, look at those, yeah.

These are beaded bracelets that I think that if you wore them together really read as the Star Trek colors. If you wore one of them individually, I think might just read as bracelet. Oh, that's fun. Thank you, Dresilla. These are great. I'm hoping I'm pronouncing your name correctly, but if folks are interested in checking this stuff out, there is an Etsy. It's Etsy.com slash shop slash justice and peach. All right, we got another one here. This is a flat Manila envelope. I'm guessing comic book just based on what I'm feeling through the packaging and this one comes from Benjamin H

of Manassas Park, Virginia. Hey, very short note. It just says found another comic for you. That's great. Literally all it's it. That's great. Literally all it's it. And it's a Star Trek comic. It's a Star Trek boldly-go comic. Hey, that's one of the newer ones. Yeah, written by Mike Johnson with Art by Tony Chastine.

That's one of those IDW comics. IDW puts out a lot of Star Trek. Yeah, and it looks like it is Kelvin Timeline likenesses on the characters. So, wow, I can't wait to read it. Maybe we'll do like a bonus episode about this comic, who knows? I like that idea. Alright, this next one is from Jackson, H of Spring, Texas. A lot of Texas in the mailbag today.

How about that? This is an envelope with a card. Let's see. Happy holiday has been an ad. You bring laughter into my home each year and I wanted to brighten your season too. HWIMH. Oh, he who is my husband, I'm guessing,

got me these Star Trek tarot card stickers. And I pass the ones I thought matched you along. Adam, Warf, for you, because you expend purpose and energy in keeping emotions, thoughts, and feelings close to the best. But that card means you have a warrior's heart and should not fear anything, even letting people know how you really feel. The people who love you are warriors too and will protect you. Ben Q is for you because he is a super intelligent, clever, and strong, but in his car he is searching for acceptance and uses his attributes to set himself apart so he won't be hurt.

But the card says you are already loved and accepted despite your day of syncracies, so you can relax and revel in the affirmations of the folks who care for you, even if they aren't as strong or clover as you are. Wow! Trust the tarot boys and have a wonderful new year. I hope to see you on tour if you come to the Jackass State of the Union, Texas. XOXO, Jackson. PX, forgot to say, congrats on your puppy, Adam. And ancient as I am, I knew when you said her name on air that she was named for the most badass sci-fi hero, Ripley. That's right.

Even your puppy is a warrior. Fucking A. Wow. So Jackson has included some delightful tarot stickers for us. I don't know much about tarot cards, and by that I mean, I don't know anything at all about them, but is it bad luck to bust up a deck? Is it like a deck of cards where you never want to take out the four of diamonds and give that away?

Does that render your tarot card deck unusable going forward? I don't know. These are stickers also. So I think they're just stickers that are in the style of a tarot deck. I would love to see the full deck of Trek tarot. That's pretty fun. And really nice sentiments. Also, that's a thoughtful pairing of those cards to us. I'm a little concerned at how well Jackson seems to know us. Jackson makes the case for Texas.

I can't think of Texas without thinking of Beef Rib, which is something you and I had a couple nights ago together. In LA, the LA style Beef Rib, but God, that beef rib in Texas. Yeah, hard to think. That's a special thing yeah actually i'm here is uh the friends of de soto community cookbooks from the greatest exo cooks awesome look at that they turned out great it looks like there's one for you and one for me of course marie tanying and jillian compiled these recipes and you and I both submitted recipes to this and we wrote a little forward as well.

This came out great! That's cool. I'm excited to get into that. Yeah. So I think that by the time we're broadcasting this, sales of the greatest exo-cook book, maybe over. But the proceeds go to the Hunger Project, and I think there is quite a bit of money for the Hunger Project, which is really cool.

I love seeing friends at the Soto putting together a big project and also thinking about people in need in the process. Yeah, if you're gonna do a thing, you might as well do some good at the same time. And that was the thinking here. Pretty great stuff. Our next package here is to you and me from something called Mod and Lexington, Kentucky.

Here it says, hey, Gents, this isn't directly trek-related, but you may recall I gave you guys some of my books ancient eons ago and did a priority one a while back. I have a new book out, I don't know, perhaps you might enjoy them, from Stephen Nottley. And what we have is a couple of Bob the Angry Flower books. Bob the Angry Flower is a comic by Stephen Nottley and he included a book for you and a book for me in here. I was just thinking about Bob the Angry Flower because I happened upon that book when I was going through my bookshelf lately. Does my memory serve me in that we met Steven at a Max Fun meetup in Seattle, Washington? That's why I remember it happening, yeah.

Yeah, it was a really nice guy and these books are a lot of fun. Yeah Well congratulations on the new book. I hope folks will go out and check it out It's called an excellent use of one's time is the title of Steve and new book everyone's publishing books lately Ben. Prince isn't dead. It's really catching who said it was Show me that motherfucker. I mean he gone spang Who said it was? Show me that motherfucker. I mean, he gone spangler? Said it was? Yeah.

Another Texas package here, Adam, it's from Moss of Poppel, Texas. Does it smell like beef rib? Fagally. Hmm. I don't think anything gets through that post office without coming in contact with at least one beef rib, right? I went to an elementary school that was several blocks away from a factory that made pet food. Oh!

Wow! And like you'd go out to recess and the smell was just heavy in the air of like dog food, dry dog food specifically. My mom worked at an elementary school that was a few blocks away from the mother's cookies factory. Yeah. And in the afternoon, the air around there just smelled like chocolate. It was absolutely amazing. I did a video shoot out in Philadelphia near the Hershey's factory and it was the same

effect out there. The reason I brought it up is like I wonder how many parts of Texas you can find yourself in that just smell like barbecue all the time. We have a card here, a holiday card. It says, dear Adam and Ben, I am hopeful that my macarons have arrived in one piece rather than in charge. Oh no, this is a perishable gift that has been sitting here for probably too long. The feeling is supposed to be cherry almond buttercream,

shelf stable of course. Wow! Okay, your podcast and learning to make macarons have helped keep me sane during a chaotic 2021 and I have made so many wonderful friends along the way. All thanks to you guys. Can't wait to hear you guys get deeper into Voyager. I recently rewatched the show and fervently wished somebody like Catherine Janeway had been able to lead us through uncertain times. Not Chicoete though. Seriously. Fuck that guy. Wow.

Anyway, enjoy the macarons and hope you all make it to Dallas on tour. Brian Moss. Shots fired at Chicoete. A character I thought had done a fairly good job at redeeming himself. Yeah. Over the course of the season. Does he have another heel turn to come? I don't know. I mean this letter's got me wondering. Hey let's see those macarons. Oh yeah I'm gonna shout out Brian's Instagram. It's the obsessive macaroniist on IG.

This is very well wrapped, I'm not concerned that these are sharded. There's a little bit of, well, it looks like sprinkles that made it to the outside of the container. Oh, they are slightly sharded. Wow. Should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, should I, uh, should I, uh, should I, uh, give you a pick myself? Yeah. That's the tradition whenever we do a code 47. It is. Alright. Oh man.

Edible gold on the top? I like how, how both halves are, look like a different flavor. Well they're like, they're nebulous world. They look great. Wow. Alright, I'm going to try this. Ben is taking a bite. He's taking half of the macaron that don't have.

Ah! Ah! Ah! I'm just kidding, it's delicious. And that's... Whenever you go out to eat with Ben, that's the sound he makes when he really likes a thing. It's... Why are we asked to be seated in a corner or out in a patio?

Yeah. Is there a chef's table that we could do this? Because the beef rib is really going to appeal to Ben and it's going to get ugly. I have to say, I mean, it's not like getting a macaron like fresh out of the display case at the mall macaron station but it has stood up surprisingly well. I only ever see these in airports.

I was one time in the airport in Paris, in the brand new terminal, in the height of the summer. You can smoke in the airport in Paris, right? Maybe. It was not being air conditioned. It was so hot in there. And I just heard this like very fancy French woman in French say like, there's no air conditioning, it's a little bit primitive, is it not?

That's kind of the perfect airport food, I think. Yeah. Macaron is pretty great. Nope, it's not gonna upset your seat mates when you bring a macaron on board the point it's not gonna mess up your fingers It's not gonna smell bad. It's it's poppable in a nice way Mm-hmm All right our last package here is from John G of Brooklyn, New York. It's to us It's got a what looks like a crocodile drawn on the outside. Dear Mrs. Uxbridge and Shimoda, whichever of you is which.

Greatest gen has been my primary soundtrack these past few years during which I've been writing and drawing children's graphic novel series, Investigators. It's about two alligators named Mango and Brash, who wear vests and solve crimes. I've been a track fan all my life as well as a cartoonist who is a little bit embarrassed to be a cartoonist. As evidenced by this printout of the cover of a track parody comic I did as a kid shortly after TNG came out. For supplemental reading material, I've included the first four investigators books. The books have a myrrhium of puns and wordplay and a sprinkling of potty humor, but she

may not be a first officer, but he's number one in our bladders. I mean hearts, so I think that they'll appeal to your McLaughlin group. Oh boy. John, that is a strained pun if I... What's on? One of the things I frequently ask myself on the show, and I don't often say it out loud, but I'll definitely say it to myself is, is it in joke? Mmm.

Sometimes I don't know. I sometimes like to just suggest putting just the tip of the joke in. Right. You know. The books are of course supposedly aimed towards six-year-olds. And to the best of my knowledge, neither of you have children. But what my theory presupposes is, maybe you know people that do? If you don't want to be stuck with the books, hopefully there is a slick backer to you,

you can pass them off to them. Anyways, your pod has kept me company while I've been space-bud hold up like a hermit making these books and I wanted to send you a token of appreciation. Thanks, Ben and Adamson. And, seriously, John Patrick Green. This is a much better childhood drawn comic than mine ever looked like. Mine did not look good. Yeah, my childhood comics have been put to shame. And we got four of these books here, The Investigators.

Look at that. These look really, really fun. I definitely got to pass these off to some of the kids in my life who are age appropriate for it. Once I read them myself. Yeah, you should definitely like hang outside of a playground giving stuff away to the kids there. Any nice thing? Hey, I've got some macarons that uh, I mean they're a little busted up, but they taste great and I've got some kids literature too.

Any takers? I predict that's gonna go great. Yeah. Well, I'll do my best to remember to take Instagram photos of all these things, so Bill Tilly can throw them up on the greatest track Instagram account. Good call. But thank you so much to everyone who sent stuff in. This is a great haul and a lot of books, which is really nice.

Yeah. Yeah, thanks so much for everyone's generosity when they send stuff into the PO box. And nothing in there looks like it would kill Bill, which is, of course, the first rule of PO Boxing when you're dealing with greatest generation. Don't send us anything you wouldn't want to build it open. Yeah, and nothing that you wouldn't feel okay

about Bill having to eat specifically. Right. Bill, the official food taster and card daddy of Greatest Gen. Yeah. Do you want to get into today's episode of Star Trek colon Voyager? Can't wait, Ben. It is a weird little episode. It's Star Trek Voyager season three episode 10,

warlord. Reaver course. Unless you've got something a little bigger in your torpedo tubes, I'm not turning around. Or... Where we open on a fairly grotesque scene of torture on the holodeck where Paris and Kim are forced to watch Nelix get a foot job by a talaxian female.

Yeah. The long rumored Tarantino Star Trek movie is not the first time he's directed something for Star Trek. You just really got an axe to grind with that. I don't ring that bill. I'm pointing Tarantino, huh? What did he ever do to you besides make great films constantly? He made great films that feature extended scenes where I have to look at feet. I don't have a problem with

that at all. What I do have a problem with is Neelix's feet specifically. He's holding court describing his preferred brand of vacation to Paris and Canada. And kind of suggesting it to the rest of the crew. Yeah, he's recreated to Laxian Rysa in the holodeck and Paris and Cameradare trying to humor him. Yeah, it's nice. But they have a lot of ideas about, you know, punch ups that they'd like to pitch for this holodeck simulation.

It can be hard to agree on a recreational activity among friends, let alone co-workers. This is like three people trying to decide where the company picnic's gonna be. I had a friend tell me about like a workplace environment that he was in where they often made jokes because hooters in Manhattan was like right downstairs from where they worked and they would always joke about let's get lunch at hooters today. And one day they actually did it and it like was a source of great regret

for him and everyone that was involved just because it was like such an uncomfortable thing to do with work friends is not not who you take to hooters. You really don't want to eat finger foods with work friends. And the wing as a snack is just like, it's like eating spaghetti on a date or something. It's hard to look professional when you get a napkin tucked in your neck, eating hot wings. Yeah, but that's clearly the only problem I'm seeing in enjoying a meal at Hooters, right?

That's it. Yeah, you nailed it, Adam. Kim and Paris, as you said, have notes. And these notes absolutely shit all over Nielix's vision, which I know this episode does not want us to linger in this part, but like, it really papers over Neelix's cultural interests utterly. He's like trying to make this a talaxian thing, and Kim and Paris are like, no man, this needs to be like an all-inclusive sandals resort with like, with like a buffet and steel drum band vibe. Youosen it up. Yeah, right.

You think it's not going to go over a little bit. Neelix loves it. He's like, wow, like we have it twisted on talix. We are not doing it right when we cut loose. We need a much we need a much taller drinking vessel. Yeah, we need hoves. The beverages they replicate are probably as close as canonical trek will ever come to a hoof drink. These glasses are fun, but they're definitely the kind of glasses where if you don't use the straw,

and it is strongly recommended that you do. But if you don't use the straw and you tip that thing back, it's going all over you. You better have a washable shirt on. Yeah, and shorts. back that's going all over you. You better have a washable shirt on. Yeah. And shorts. Like all that ice is going down the front of your shorts like, like it's bound to happen at any cabana. Yeah.

Yeah. Or where a mesh shirt like Harry does. Right. Uh, Harry, uh, has the computer bring in some, uh, some bikini ladies from his beach volleyball simulation. Paris brings in some steel drum guys from Earth's Caribbean region. I think he to cook those graves it has. They changed the clothing of the bartender. Yeah. This looks like a pretty fun tropical hang until Nealick starts dancing with these ladies and then it just doesn't seem that fun anymore. It's silly as hell, but God, Ethan Phillips is rocking the slipper feet in a way that could look super dumb and

difficult, but it looks like they're a part of him. That does. He does a good job with this dance. I guess so, yeah. I mean, the thing that shocked me about this moment was that it was the fade out to theme. It's like the show saying, you're not gonna wanna see what happens next.

You know, who is waiting through the credits and the commercials to find out what happens? There's no hook here. Voyager has had so many good episodes toward the end of season two and the beginning of season three that it's like, let's start to fuck with them a little bit. Yeah. I challenge you to come back for the rest of this episode.

You really got to want to stick around and that way maybe this is the most greatest gen cold open we've ever seen. It's the first time Star Trek did a Marin on one of its canonical shows. All senior officers are reporting to the bridge. Kim and Paris get called away just like Kess does from her quarters after the theme. Kess is being called to Six Bay because on the bridge, we see on the view screen that there is a ship on fire out there. And Ensign Kim's deep V really chills out the stress of this moment, I thought, like,

how seriously could I possibly take this? Well, he is luxuriating in his comfort. He's really chilling the most. They have to bring the ship within sort of dangerous range of the ships that they're trying to rescue because it's Warp Corridor's critical and they're going to have to get close enough to beam the survivors off of it that when it blows, it could potentially cause them damage. But we actually see this happen. Like they run the transport, the banger gets dropped on Voyager and like before the ship even stops shaking, two vacas like, no, that was fine.

All major systems are undamaged. And then in a scene straight out of the last episode, they all retired to the Messhal and they're clinking glasses. Celebrating another successful rescue. Down in Six Bay, it's real, like, ER vibes. A lot of running around trying to fix these people up. There is one person on the slab that is in a greater amount of pain than anyone else. A pain that the doc knows well, right? Like the doc knows about being burned.

Yeah, the lady is like saying, like you've gotta save my husband. Did you clock the actor that played Tearin, the guy that's dying? No. So this is Lee McCloskey, who also played the murderer DAX host on DS9. Oh cool. He looks so different in this. Yeah, yeah. Does not look the same at all, but I read

that he also went to Juilliard where he was roommates with Kelsey Grammer. What the fuck? I swear you stick a couple of pipe cleaners and a go-to on that guy. He is unrecognizable. Absolutely. And I'm talking about Kelsey Grammer. Right. Yes. No.

So they try and fail to save this dude. And the wife is in tears and Kess, very comforting, gives her a great big comforting hug to try and make her feel better about the passing of her husband who, like they just didn't have enough time, like their medical interventions were incompatible with his biology. There was nothing they could do. I was grabbed by the moment, I mean, much like Nori is grabbed by Kess in that, like, oh, is this what she wants? Like RSVP Tarrin, but like, boy, Kess is really up on the stranger.

I mean, it banks on the knowledge that you have about Kess. Kess knows what Nori wants. Yeah, and also in retrospect, like, Kess has got Tarrin in her at this point. Right, yeah. We don't know that watching at the first time, but it did cross my mind like, what if this is an alien species

that does not have a hugging element of their culture, you know? Yeah. What are you doing? In the aftermath, Nory and the other guy, Aiden, described their circumstances to Janeway, like what they were doing out there on that ship that they were attacked. They were in like a trading corridor that is very popular with the space pirates in that area.

And they're extremely grateful for the help. Aiden is a prominent physician and Nory is a cousin of the otark who's the leader of their society. So they were kind of prime targets and Janeway's kind of getting this information from them in her ready room where she's, you know, pouring them cups of vegetable broth. Vegetable broth, I presume. Yep. The diplomatic broth flows freely in this scene.

Mm-hmm. She's gonna get them to Olarri, which is their home planet, and is really looking forward to meeting the autark. We're gonna dip it in. We cut back down to Tlaxian Rice. It sort of feels like a scene where where the show is saying like this isn't totally sexist, there's also female gaze here. Look at this hunk that BLT had the computer

create. What this holiday program presupposes is, what would Bradley Whiffer look like if he were an absolute unit? I always wondered that. Yeah, and that is BLT's type. I would have voted for Obama for a third term if I could. Great program, Niles. Absolute unit Bradley Whitford wears the sort of brief style bathing suit that has vent holes out the side, leaving barely anything to the imagination.

He really would be right at home in a pants optional gay nightclub situation with those briefs. How does Star Trek get away with this level of nudity? It's amazing. We got so much underbubble a couple episodes ago and now we get sideshlawm basically Yeah, this is a deep V that shows dick neck. This is definitely not a costume they auctioned off, right? Or is it? Just imagine the smell. Yeah There's a prop out there for everyone

I guess so Imagine the smell. Yeah. There's a prop out there for everyone. I guess so. Nielix radios to Cass, who is a little bit late for a date that they had planned. And she is in the Transporter Bay giving a tour to their Allari guests. And they've never encountered a transporter before, but she's kind of like putting their minds at ease. You can tell something's wrong with Cass in this scene because she encountered a transporter before, but she's kind of like putting their minds at ease. You can tell something's wrong with Kess in this scene because she describes the transporter as completely safe

and never having any issues with her or anyone she loves. She's already forgotten about two vicks. Yeah, I thought it was a little bit weird that she went out of her way to say that the back of your head will look totally normal after you materialize. Neelix is like, hey, you blew off our lunch. And this causes Kess to blow off her transport or room tour.

A little bit of blow off transference. Yeah. She heads back to the holodeck and is having a, you know, lunch and paradise, but she's listless and head achicky and not really engaged. This is what happens when you get a salad on vacation. It always seems like a good option normally. Right. But when you're on vacation, sometimes it can be fun to splurge.

Live it up, you know? I mean, that's what super-jacked Bradley Whifford should be eating. A cast should be eating a lunch of ice cream sandwiches here. Leave the responsible choices to unit Whitford. Right. Nielix would like her to quote unquote, go sailing with him. Is sailing code for broom closet? Yeah, I think that's code for broom closet.

He's blowing right past the fact that she's already said that she had a headache. Yeah. So, yeah, headache is code for broom closet. He's blowing right past the fact that he's already said that she had a headache. Yeah. So, yeah, headache is code for, I don't want to quote unquote, go sailing. And listen, like never run through the stop sign, I'd say. Right. Yeah. If you want to go sailing, and your special person doesn't want to go sailing, doesn't feel like it for any reason, it's fine. Plenty of nice days ahead. Let the headache subside or let whatever it is that the headache is an excuse for a subside. Be there for them. Maybe you go sailing by yourself. Maybe you start cranking the spinnaker out on your own private lake, you know?

Craig and something This is typical of you, Nelix. Nelix does not follow this advice. He does blow through the first stop sign and this really locks in a dynamic. This is sort of being determined to have a lover's quarrel, despite Nelix being almost impossibly reasonable at every turn as this conversation progresses. But the scene also pays off a feeling we've had about Kes and Nealix for three and a half seasons. Like if you were to transpose this reaction from Kes to the beginning of the season or the middle of season two

or the beginning of season one, I would argue it's totally welcome and justified. Yeah, like hard case is basically like you're the only person I've ever been with. I need time to like find myself, time to think and the lever's quarrel winds up with cast kind of unilaterally announcing that they need to take a break. I think Jennifer Lean is who you're made to really pay attention to here for what she's doing. But Ethan Phillips' performance was the one that really affected me. Like, Ethan Phillips is made to be a clown most of the time. But his sad clown here is really affecting and well done by him. Is that clown as great?

Also the way he conducts himself in this confrontation is really aspirational because he does not get defensive. He comes from a place of what's best for you at every turn. You know, like he is, he's really selfless. And in a way that like I don't think he's always been written. Yeah. Like this was a great scene for him, both as a character and as an actor. If you want to be in a broom closet with someone, set them free.

If they don't come back to your broom closet, they was never meant to be. Hey, what's this sailor doing in here with us? How many broom closets just to sailboat have? I thought you said you wanted to go sailing. We need a sailor if we're going to go sailing. So Janeway's log tells us that they've made it to planet Alari and they're ready to do the passenger drop and in the transport room we prepare to bring aboard a representative from the Alari. And as soon as this person beams aboard,

they are welcomed by Janeway, Tuvac, and Kess, who whips out a phaser and kills this person immediately, along with the ensign running the transportor. Fucking brutal. I didn't know that you could fire an unauthorized phaser aboard a starship, but apparently you can. Yeah. And they changed the rules. Janeway slams Kess up against the wall. Somebody drops a Kirk chop on her and Kess is like the way

her patterns of speech have totally changed. She's like running them through something that they've clearly drilled on and up on the bridge like Harry Kim is explaining to everyone that a shuttle craft has been beamed directly into space and now Kess and their two guests are jaking that shuttle and heading out of here. I think this is a good moment in the episode to discuss how little of this moment was telegraphed early on. Like I really like that scene in the transporter room earlier where Kess is giving the tour. I really like how little we see of it and how there's nothing suspicious at the time. Nor when Tyrann dies in 6 Bay, there's not that ECU on the hands touching and a weird

look on Kess's face as the transfer happens. Like none of this has been foreshadowed in a way that makes this moment very satisfying in its surprise. Absolutely. Like I think that the only thing that I can think of that seemed a little bit weird was the way Kess hugged Nory. Yeah.

But it also like wasn't totally out of character for Kess in that moment and you can come up with head cannon for why she would have done it. And yeah, like there's episodes of TNG where like there's a disease going around and there's like a sound effect when the disease passes from person to person and there was never anything that was like, oh this guy is touching casts in a weird way that is causing something to transfer to her. You never get anything. It comes as such a surprise and it's such a fun moment

to be like, holy shit, where are we headed? I did not see this coming. It's really lesses more throughout the episode in that way and especially up into this point, a great choice. Yeah, really, really good. And this shuttle goes to warp and is scattering its escape in a way that Voyager is left with its pants around its ankles. Like they cannot figure out where they went or how to chase them. Part of the effectiveness of the surprise is the transition between like gratitude and helplessness by these aliens to being one step ahead for basically the rest of the episode. Totally. Someone on that shuttle really knows what they're doing.

So on the bridge, Chico take sort of reads the scoreboard, and it's too dead. The shuttle is gone. Janeway's injured in 6 Bay. And what's the MO, these guys been? Their MO is that they're good. When she shot the Lari representative, she went ahead and killed Ensign Martin because at that point, what's the difference? We cut over to the shuttle where, I mean, it is just bang, bang, bang for them. They are in motion and Kess has beamed up Resh and Resh is the person that gets the backstory that the viewer gets here too, right? Kess explains her transformation into Tyrann to him. I love that Resh has never been transported and has no way of anticipating

that he's going to be transported. So he beams up like clearly, he was just walking somewhere and he's like, what the fuck? Also, you could help rush out by transporting him up facing forward instead of backward. Like that's kind of a power move of a transport, right? Yeah.

If you really want to get the upper hand early on, like this is what they should do diplomatically. If you're in opposition to a species that you're having a hard time with, beam them into the transport room facing the wall. Yeah. What is this? The Darth Vader vibes when Tyrne Kess starts

forced choking rash are pretty intense. I never thought we'd see Kess fresh in anyone up again, but here it is. Yeah. And their loaf was like they have like four extra nostrils on their nose loaf, and blood is coming out of all four of them on him. Yeah. It's fucked up. On a lorry, their CPAT machines are enormous.

They just go for the full face mask, you know, at that point. This is a scene that teaches us just a whole, whole bunch about how this transference works and how many of the myrium-cass powers Tyrann has at their disposal. Well, he inhabits Cess's body. And that Tyrann has troops massing and like is prosecuting some kind of dastardly plan which we need some more information on. So the captain convenes a McLaughlin group.

Is your one. And they have Demis on board who is the eldest son, the heir apparent to the otark, the leader of this planet. And he explains that Tyreden used to be the otark and he's a psycho and he, you know, he like won this big war, but then he was like really bad as otark when they were in peacetime and norian aiden are like political extremists who have been trying to reinstall him as otark and he's pretty concerned because he thinks that this means that they're they're getting ready to move against the otark. This idea that Tyrann has been obsessed with the idea of body jumping as a form of life

extension is something that interests everyone and maybe neelix the most because the big has been obsessed with the idea of body jumping as a form of life extension, is something that interests everyone and maybe Neelix the most, because the big takeaway for Neelix here is that Kest didn't actually break up with him. So he's been controlling her? Yes. Completely.

Tyruna doesn't want to date you, Neelix. Kest didn't have anything to say about that. And can you blame Derena? Right. Because Fuehox in the room for this. I want him to say something about a catcher. Like, my people would call this, he put his catcher into Kess. If there was a majority in the room,

I would want them to say something about a pie, you know? Like, this appears to be a mechanism that exists across multiple species in Star Trek. Is it all species? Is it the same mechanism? Or is it like a different kind of mechanism in different species? It like the idea of God having many names

to many different civilizations. Like, it is all the same thing among all species. This idea. Right. Feclar is Satan. I think that's a good point. I also wondered in this scene if we are supposed to side with Demas at all, because like in every scene with him I kind of got failson vibes from him. In a way he got me off of his side, like, are we to root for him and the installation of him

back at the head of the table for his government? I didn't really care. Yeah. Your political leader is called Ahtark, which already makes me think he's a bad person, you know? I think one of the ways that we're not on his side from jump is that he's always campaigning for war Like he's on Voyager and he always wants to use Voyager's advanced weapons for his own purposes

And this is something that Janeway routinely pushes back on She also pushes back on it when he gives his condolences for Kess because his position is that there's no way that you're gonna get Kess back after what Tyr and Dider so you might as well just make peace with that. And the captain is pretty quick to say, no, we're gonna rescue her. Yeah, I mean, plan A is unfreaky Friday in Kess. And absent their ability to do that,

then like shooting torpedoes is gonna be plan B. Perfect black, make it yourself. and absent their ability to do that, then like shooting torpedoes is gonna be planned. So they're still in orbit of Elari and they are like scanning the HQ of the castle and it seems like the attack has already begun. and it seems like the attack has already begun. Didn't you like the energy of these cross cuts because every time people on Voyager are just talking, Kess slash Tiran is on the move, shooting people, and making moves, and flying the shuttle, and doing all this shit? It really felt like the crew of the Voyager was just slow,

and bureaucratic, and just behind the whole time. Yeah, it kind of reminded me of Shin Godzilla the way Godzilla is just rampaging through the city and the government is like, we need to convene several committees to talk about what's going on and come up with a plan. It's like like, are you fucking kidding? He like stepped on a building. I also just think Jennifer Leans before, like there are many things about Jennifer Leans performance in those episodes that are really impressive.

Like the, the like different energy that she draws on to perform, to your in, then what she draws on to perform, Cass. But also like the way she does violence, like that snatching the phaser and killing people is so kinetic. It's like, blink and you miss it. Like she moves so quickly and is really scary as this character. I mean, the moment she steps to the president and shoots him point blank range, really sets

the tone. I wasn't aware that Tyrann would have this in her, but you see it go down and all of a sudden you understand the stakes for the rest of the episode. This could happen at any time. The symbol of being the reigning otark of this planet is to wear the neck brace of an ambulance chasing trial lawyer. So they take the neck brace off the corpse and Cass puts it on and she starts re-decorating immediately. You're going to want the talisman if you ever need to do a long transcontinental flight. Also, it's kind of nice to have. Yeah. Keeps your jaw from like slumping open when you fall asleep. And like the pillow that they give you is just not going to cut it if you're trying to like lean against the window or whatever. Yeah.

Yeah. Come on. Kess also gets a costume change into the garments of the Alari. Like it's a very like form-fitting leather slash mirror universe kind of vibe. Yeah, she really looks like mirror universe, Kira's, Couturier, there's something for this role. I think that's an interesting comp to bring up because like, the not visitor had a physical imposition as a mirror universe person that made you feel threatened, you know, physically and mentally, but

Kess really doesn't have that physicality as someone who is as short and stature as she is, so she's got to make up for it with crazy. There's a moment in this palace redecoration scene that I thought was really nice. Like we've talked about the subtlety that something was strange about Kess before the heel turn. And there is some subtlety to the idea that Kess might still be in there under Tear in this scene when she grabs a vase full of plants

that is like getting ready to throw them away. And then it kind of plays it off like she's giving a flower to Nory. The flowers are still standing. There's like a little glimmer of Kess's like established love of botany in that moment that is not heavy handed at all.

Right. Nory is really worried because Nory was Tyrann's wife. And the whole point for her was getting to be queen or whatever of the planet. And now that's impossible because Kess is a woman. There is some really fun, gender, and sexual fluidity happening here, like from this scene on until the end of the episode

when Kess is inhabited by Tieren, she is seductive of Nory, obviously, as someone that has been their partner before, but when they drag the younger son into the chamber, less than five minutes after watching his dad get murdered, there is like a sexual form of seduction happening here. Yeah, she's really like pouring honey in his ear and like making the case that you could be on my team

and stay comfortable and like treat your political outrage is just like a brief moment. But, you know, like if you join with me, you'll lend credibility to my claim on the throne and this will be great for both of us. And the implication is also like, maybe we can go sailing sometime. Oh, now she likes sailing.

Everything you want can be yours for the asking. Back on Voyager, Demas has chosen to stay there. Great decision, Demas. Yeah, and now- Given what we're seeing on the surface. He's like, if you could set me up with quarters while I'm here, and the doctor's like, come on! I asked for quarters at the end of the last episode

and you basically laughed in my face. You've known this guy for 30 seconds and he gets quarters? Are you kidding me? He's telling Janeway and Tuvac that Tyran has kind of assembled a quorum down there. Like in very short order, he's put together supporters, sufficient to overthrow his whole deal. The coup goes well, Enterprise. But not well for Demas, who should be Autarch. He's saying legally I am Autarch now, but practically, Tyrann has all the power.

So my claim on the throne gets weaker and less enforceable by the minute. Is the Voyager a non-extradition chip? I mean, it seems like it would be. Down in 6 Bay, Doc Holliday explains the mechanism by which Tyrann transferred his consciousness into Cass. And it's very subtle. He had like a brain implant that at the moment of his death downloaded his mind and then like it went down his arm and threw the skin on the palm of his hand into her. Yeah, the duck shoots a black light, it is palm

and it's just so gross. Ha ha ha. Oh, what he needs is one of those balls that they keep in the commissary for washing your hands. Right, yeah. Looks like an episode of that MTV Rubin Vations show. The ball of his hand. They speculate that like the first thing that Tyrann slash Kess is going to want to do is set up another way to transfer his brains again. You know, should there be a threat to Kess Tyrann's life down there? Right. And if they did set up this sort of thing,

they've got a way to destroy it by way of a clip show device. One of those clip show devices that magnetically sticks on to your head. And Tuvac is like, hey, I could just go sneak in there and do it. Like, the Death Star has great defenses for a star fleet attacking it, but they seem to have overlooked the idea of a, of a smaller ship. Have you seen how the waiters dressed down there? They're like wearing hoods. I can fit in there no problem. It's way easier than, uh, 1997 Earth. I had to wear a hat to hide

my pointy ears down there. It sucked. Yeah, the thing that gives two back away is the Jordan's though, like he you were the same stuff that he wore down to LA, but with the with the hood and the Jordan's game of the way. So Janeway sends a single man behind enemy lines and we also kind of come to understand in this scene that the headaches that Tyrann has been experiencing our Kess trying to fight back from inside and we cut down to the the palace where Aiden is finishing up installing a similar system in Kess who has totally redecorated by this point. Like there's a picture of OG Tyrann on the wall behind them. And we get the black light shot of Kess's hand,

and it's no picnic. And Aiden correctly suggests that Kess should maybe find a different body, because this one isn't really working. What without the headaches and everything? And Tyrann is like, no fucking way. Like this body has force choking. I wouldn't be able to get that in any other body. That's a unique feature.

Let me tell you something. When a person claims to have a headache when you suggest a sailing trip, maybe don't pivot into some sort of body commentary at that point. Yeah, come on, Aiden. This doesn't go very well. It's 2022.

Get with the times, man. You'll not suggest it again. Tyrann slash Kess takes great umbridge with the idea before convening kind of the first city hall meeting. Get a bunch of shit done. Hit in the ground running politically here. Before she seized upon the feeling that there is a two-vac in the room. There's an interloper there under one of these hoods and she goes around the room taking

the hoods off of people before two-vac comes around a corner and attaches this device to her cheek and you think it's gonna work. But it's not there long enough to work. We didn't really get a sense of like, like I wish they'd said, but it's not there long enough to work. We didn't really get a sense of like like I wish they'd said But it'll need to be on for at least five seconds or something like that But yeah, like it's it's honor and then offer in the next instant because one of the heavies snatches it and

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So it seemed like two box plan was dog shit. And then I was like, oh, this was just a pretext for him to get into an interrogation context with Tyrann Kess so that he could mine melt her. So maybe it was actually an awesome plan. But then the mind-melt doesn't work, so that winds up seeming like a bad plan too. I'll tell you why it didn't work, Ben. He goes in one hand it.

Yeah. You got a meld to hand it. If we know anything about other meld works in Star Trek, that second hand does a lot. Can make all the difference. And just about every context, what the second hand is doing can really change the game. But this does not, does not work. It momentarily does because too, because too bad gets to talk to kids.

Yeah, she explains that she's, she's down in there. She's trying to fight back. She can feel him struggling to keep her suppressed. So he's able to give her some words of encouragement, but then Tyrion reasserts himself and chaos to Vok and we are back up to Voyager for another McLaughlin group. This time they're going on the offensive, it's Death Spester club time. A despester club that Nielix asks to be a part of. And does not make a very strong case for Adal, I thought. You know, there are a lot of jobs that you want to have, like they want you to have experience

for to get them. And people pad their resumes. And there's a lot of arguments to be made for that being an okay thing to do in an unfair economic system like capitalism and I think that that's a piece of the playbook that Nielix should have drawn on here is make the case for yourself a little bit more forcefully with a little bit more self confidence Nielix. I wish this was a call back to the feet. self-confidence, Nelix. I wish this was a call back to the feet. Like, if there was something about Nelix's feet that were incredibly threatening and like, Velociraptor toe like. That lady wouldn't have wanted to give him a foot rub if he had Velociraptor toe. Yeah, exactly, but like, the potential for him as a weapon, I think would be more reasonable. But as it is, like on the surface, I just see him, like the prediction is he's going to get into a situation where he's negotiating with Tyrann and he gets himself killed.

Yeah. The captain agrees to this really quickly for some reason. And then they move on to just sort of the mechanics of the raid. And Kim is like, there's this first field, but we can knock it out with an EM pulse at this like particular moment. That should be no problem. And then we can start storming the compound. When Kess breaks in with her FaceTime and basically takes apart that plan specifically, did you think it was because she was in someone's mind in that room and could and like in a in a lacutus kind of way knew the plan that was coming at her because

I found it more than coincidental that she knew exactly what the weakness was that they were trying to exploit. God, that's really interesting. But I also thought that this was such an interesting twist because Tyrann is being fairly reasonable here. It's like I know that you're like pissed off that I stole this lady's body and killed what's his nose, but like I also really appreciate that you saved my life and and save my friends. So like why don't we just call this a draw and you can take that guy and get out of here. And like I thought, that was such an interesting moment. You know, it was an interesting thing

to offer at this moment, I thought. Yeah. Because it's like, it's gotta be tempting, right? Like, oh, we could just not get in combat with this fucking planet. That'd be cool. I mean, there's just nothing in chainways makeup that's going to allow her to let this go, though.

No. So Kess threatens them with a deadline. A deadline of 30 seconds before her worships will arrive on the scene. And it works. Voyager bugs out. Yeah. These headaches are really seizing upon Tyrann. and it's happening in public in a way that

is concerning for everyone. And Dr. Aiden is like, you gotta transfer yourself, you gotta let me help you with this. And again and again, Tyrann casts is like, you need to shut the fuck up about that. I'm sticking with this, and I don't sleep because when I sleep, that's when I'm confronted by a cast. And pretty immediately, like, plops down in a chair and passes out. I had wondered if we were ever gonna get this scene,

the scene of what it's like to have two people in one mind. And what we're given here compositionally is a room where half of it is this council chamber. And the other half is a corridor where half of it is this council chamber, and the other half is a quarters in Voyager. In the quarters is Kess, and in the council chamber is Tyrann. And when they fight and argue the camera moves around them in such a way that gives us these different backgrounds.

This is an idea that Discovery did. I feel like maybe in season two two where like two characters were talking to each other in two different rooms and they actually like comped the two rooms together. Yeah. But this was nicely done and really subtle and a really intense one-on-one acting scene between Jennifer Leigh and Kelsey Gramers College for make. Boy this guys got all the Kelsey Gramers College for Mate. Boy, this guy's got all the Kelsey Gramers stories, I bet. Oh, man. Get this guy to a convention. Hey, not so much a question about your role of Tyrann

in the Star Trek Voyager episode Warlord. Or is your role as the Jorin Daxe in that one, the DS9 episode? Really wanted to get down into some earlier phases of your career. More of an experimental phase, if you will. Uh, what was Kelsey Grammer like as a roommate? Did your character on Voyager have all those extra nostrils because you collapse the ones

that you were born with, partying with Kelsey? Do you still party? I'm going to take my answer in room 1418 and I'm going to leave the door slightly a jar if anybody wants to come up and set it off. Yeah, I'm going to take like weird, angled deadbolt thing that just looks like an L, and I'm gonna close the door on that, on the outside though. Get a life.

So Aiden wakes up, Tyrann, after this confrontation and she, like an animal, you're not supposed to wake up an animal who's having a bad dream and Kest just fucking fresh ends him up to death for waking her up Yeah, the doctor gets his ticket punched Kind of a growing body count here that is not referred to at the end of the episode The shot of the blood bubbling out of all these nose holes is so upsetting too. Because it like pools in the actor's eyes. Rusty pipes.

But this does not slow Tyrann Kess down. She's throwing like a big party the next day to announce her betrothal. Yeah. The Ahtarks second fail son, Amelon, will be her husband, which comes as a total shocked and nori who did not get like any advance warning that this was about to go down. And then to soften the blow is invited into kind of a thrupal. Yes.

She also didn't know what's happening. Yes. Listen, I'm open-minded, but like this is something you want to negotiate in private, you know, not in a party in front of your friends and family. And this is not a great time for Voyager to have returned either, but that's what happened. And Tyrann is so scatterbrained that they're ignoring the threats that the Voyager poses in favor of continuing the celebration and making

weird proclamations. Yeah, the guy that they beamed up to the shuttle before is like, hey, we should probably get to undisclosed location so that we're all safe from this attack. And Tyrann is just not about that. Wants to finish the big feast and keep enjoying things. And bangers start getting dropped. Tyrion becomes convinced that there are infiltrators in the room and starts going around

tearing phase coverings off of the guards and waiters who are all ORE people. Hey, guess what, Tyrion? Among all the proclamations you're making about there being war gardens in every yard or whatever, you could change the uniforms that your guard has to wear. Like, at any point, you could change it to a non-hood sort of dress code.

Yeah, have the years at least be showing so that you could get a sense of. Seems to be within your power. Yeah. Anyone who tries to leave this room will be shot as a traitor. Down in the Star Trek caves, Tom Parris for some reason is the person that they sent to rescue Tuvok. It's the Parris.

Am I making any sense here? By himself. He has got a great big phaser rifle though. When you got a phaser rifle that big, all you need is one Tom Paris. Yeah, you really do. They get in a Star Trek fight with a couple of these guards in the Star Trek caves and we cut back up to combat in the in Great Hall where the Voyager crew

are the frontline soldiers in the assault on the royal family and and Dimas I guess is there with them. This is what happens like they lost their expendable crew person in the transport room earlier like. Yeah that was the one red shirt left on Voyager. They had to bring their 18 down here this time. This ends with a showdown where Nelix has a dustbuster on Tyrann slash Kess and is backing her into a corner and winds up having to stun her. Amelon attempts to rush to Kess's aid,

but gets grabbed by his big brother and Kess is brought back with the aid of the clip show device. Yeah. But she's like, bad news guys, he's not dead. I wish I could tell you he was, but I'm feeling him somewhere in this room. And it turns out he's gone into Amelon. So they put the clip show device on Amelon and I guess... Amelon's like, you're not gonna wipe that thing off.

Like that was just on another person's face. No, you can't do this. This is a medical device. I have very sensitive skin. You don't think that's gonna break me out? You can't just hot swap those. This is why they have needle exchanges for people that use intravenous drugs,

like what the fuck are you doing? Here's a Star Trek rule. You never use a clip show device more than once. I mean, but the oceans are filling up with single-use clip show devices. You see turtles trying to swim around with them, like hanging around their necks. It's really sad. Crusted up around their shells. It's awful. That's why I bring my own clip show device to a coffee shop.

Like, oh, use my own. Hey, can you fill this up? Yeah. Sorry, health code. We can't do it. We can pour it into a paper cup and give that to you and you could pour it in. Yeah. Cool. Really? Sorry, health code, we can't do it. We can pour it into a paper cup and give that to you and you could pour it in. Yeah, cool, good solution. Yeah. So Tyrann is dead. And Demas installed as the new leader of this planet, war ofverted.

I'm not sure I like care. But they got Kess back and that I care. That's just the thing, isn't it? So the button on the episode is a scene we've seen a lot over the years in Star Trek Voyager. It's Kess and it's Tuvak and they're doing meditation. And Kess is having a difficulty that if you're someone who meditates can happen fairly often.

It's like the intruding thoughts of the outside. She just can't get clear in this moment in a way that she's used to. I, yes, I have to kill a lot of people. You were not responsible for Tear Inxactions. And Tuvac kind of encourages her to view this as a fresh start. You're not gonna be able to forgive

the lengthy body count that you have. You're going to run into people in the corridor's cas that knew the ensign that you murdered in the transporter room. You just have to get over that along with everyone else. They're going to give you you're going to get a lot of hairy eyeballs from that guy's friends. Yeah. And that's and that's how we get to where three credits with a new start for Kess. Did you like this episode, Adam?

You know, I'm maybe easy to get along with most of the time, but I don't like bullets and I don't like friends, and I don't like you. I'm just stupid. I think this episode suffers from a lack of equivalence in like the two things we're supposed to care about. We are supposed to care about Cass and we do and I do. I care about her well-being and I care about her rescue. But the whole government aspect to this where we're supposed to care about reinstalling the toppled

government in there for reasons that the fail sons are feebly able to articulate. Like that part falls apart. And while I have great respect for what Jennifer Leane brings to this, like there are a number of episodes where cast members are asked to carry the entire thing. Yeah. Thinking of episodes where Roxanne Dawson has been made to do that several times. Jennifer Leane does. And you could argue she has a more difficult task because in those episodes where Roxanne Dawson had to do it, she's playing two parts of the same personality. Jennifer Leane is playing someone completely different and doing a

very capable job on the process. And I think if you are to like the episode, you're gonna have to get with like Jennifer Leane carrying it. And I do. But man, I wish that other half of things was a little more bulked up. I wish I cared a little more about that other thing we're supposed to care about, not just the one. I think that's a good point. Like there's a aspect of the political situation on a lorry that it is discomforting to a viewer because it seems like a bad government. Yeah, it seems like the reinstallation of something that wasn't that great anyway.

Right, so like, I mean, Janeway says at one point, like I think that like our needs are aligned because I'm just trying to save Kess, like I don't really give a shit, what happens with your government, but it looks like saving Kess will involve getting you back on the throne. So like maybe we can help each other. Yeah. But yeah, like I think that the way to enjoy this episode is to enjoy it as a sandbox for Jennifer Leane to do some really fun acting. And I did enjoy it in

that way. Like it's a really weird episode. The like, tone shifts between the Caribbean fuck fest, the beginning, it's like dark autocratic government on this fucked up planet and the warlord inhabiting Kest's body. But I guess like overall, I kind of thought it was successful despite that weirdness. I thought the climax to the episode was really well done.

When you're blocking action from a number of different characters doing things simultaneously, a Whip Pan is really useful. And especially if the direction is like telling Kate Moguru to do one thing, and then we've whipped into another area where Paris is doing another one thing. You're able to create sort of a compound kinetic energy to it that I thought was really effective. And by the time we've whipped all the way around

back to Neelix, it's a fairly exhaustive, exhausting moment to come to that moment. And I thought that point in particular was really well done. Give it up for the whip pan, Ben. Yeah. Star Trek does not always have the greatest action scenes, but this one was really successful. Well, what do you say we whip on over

to the priority one message has been and see if we've got anything in there that's action packed? Let's do it. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Need a supplemental link. A supplemental link? A supplemental link. A supplemental link.

Yeah, it's extra. The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship. Our first priority one message is of a promotional nature atom, goes like this. Hey, friends of Disodo. We're the Downs Siblings, and we have a podcast you'll love. You know, two guys a little bit embarrassed to have a Star Trek podcast. Now try three siblings who should be very embarrassed to have a supernatural podcast. Three digits in a pod is a sibling supernatural

rewatch pod. Did you share a shibling supernatural? I did. It's inspired by the greatest gen. Join us for 1% or silly audio drops as we learn podcasting and watch supernatural with a cross generational fan lens. Wherever you get your podcasts,

L-L-A-P-F-O-D's. So search for three digits in a pod, wherever you get your podcasts, and leave them a five-star rating and review on iTunes, as it helps others find them. Thank you. Boy, when you make Supernatural, the source of your rewatch podcast and you recognize that that is a show with 15 seasons, 327 episodes, that is like one of the longest running shows on TV ever. Wow, I did that realize that.

Yeah, and a super popular show. The only reason we have any success is that we're reviewing a super popular show, so yeah. Very cool. Ben, our second message is from Danylist, it is to Bobby. The message goes like this, thanks for introducing me to this great podcast. I owe you for the many hours of laughing. And embracing the nerdiness I always had. Of course, also thanks to Adam and Ben for the pod. Thanks, Danilist. And thanks Bobby for spreading the good word.

Yeah, Bobby's doing the good work out there. Bobby's supporting the show by recommending us to other people. Yeah, I hope Danilist gave Bobby a hundred bucks also. Yeah, that'd be nice. Our last P1 here is from Kyle and Nancy, and that's two, the Kyle and Nancy who had a P1 on the October 24th, 2021 episode of TGG. Goes like this, who are you? Are you our transporter clones

or are Mirror Universe doubles? Kyle is the same age as you, and your P1 was read right after our anniversary weekend. Anyway, we should probably meet so we can either fight to the death or determine which Kyle and Nancy need to change their names. I guess Kyle is the one sending this, so find me on the Drunk Shemota Discord. I'm at Kagee 23 hashtag 1701. Wow, so there can be only one Kyle and Nancy according to this Kyle and Nancy.

Yeah, what Kyle and Nancy don't realize is that the other Kyle and Nancy are trained killers. We're choosing to believe this is not a message of a threatening nature, which ordinarily we would not read on the show. Right. Maybe it's playful threatening. Yeah. The kind that we like. Yeah. Thanks to everyone who got a P1 this week. We really appreciate it. And if you listening out there would like to get one had to maximumfun.org slash jumbo tron and get it set up today. We hear all the time about how we are like changing people's small business or podcasts with our reading of them like

for the worst. It's kind of amazing to get the the feedback about those things and the and those that do the promotional p1s on our show like really do get an effect from that so if you're shocking as that is it is actually is actually born fruit for some people if you're a business that's too small to do an actual advertisement like if you're if you're that kind of small business a p1 might be for you so consider it yeah. Yeah. Hey, Ben. What's that, Adam? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? Drunk Shimoda!

Yeah, this is an off screen drunk Shimoda this week. I'm gonna give it to the camop that had to do these zooms on Nielix's feet on today's episode. Oh no. That's a, I mean, like, I slow zoom in on Nielix's foot to theme. It's just a pretty insane composition choice. A strong choice. Yeah, whoever, whoever made the call, I don't know if it was the director of photography

or the director or whatever, but you know, who knows? I want to see Nielix's foot up on the foot clinic sign in Echo Park. Like that's the graphic I want to see. Yeah, happy to Laxian foot, sad to Laxian foot. Yeah, exactly. To Laxian foot on crutches, to Laxian foot jumping for joy.

Yeah. Hey, local to Lax relaxing foot jokes get you local relaxing footwork at him. Right. How about yourself? Did you find a drunk Shimoda? Everything about RESH really appealed to me as a Shimoda from being beamed aboard the shuttle backwards to pushing back with some force on Tyrann. Like all of his grapes made a lot of sense. In the end, Resh was right about all of it. He got freshened up a little bit, which made me sad. I didn't like that, but like every moment that Resh was on screen,

and this is Charles Emmett playing him, I really, really dug his deal. Big fam. Charles Emmett also just a really busy actor. Yeah. Has been working for a long time, still out there doing a lot. A real that guy of your actors out there.

It was really fun to see him. Yeah. Objection noted, we'll do this without you. It will do it. Really fun to see where we are on the game of buttholes. The will of the caretaker band. Oh yeah. Yeah, because next week we'll be watching season three episode 11, The Q and the Grey. Voyager encounters several supernova in a small region of space. Q suit appears and reveals that they are the after effects of a civil war within the Q continuum. About that. Big shit poppin in the Q continuum.

I remember watching in middle school the Ken Burns documentary of the Q Civil War and really amazing, really great work. I mean Ken Burns does it again. My dearest idea, the war has been going on. Well, we don't really consider time in the same way that you do. you would not understand. I keep snapping my fingers and more and more people die. Adam, the runabout is currently on square 40 on the game of Buttholes, the will of the caretaker. We are within range of a Coco No-no if we hit a six. I texted you before the program today to suggest we Coco No-no this one because of what Nielix had going on in the holocaque

But uh you just laughed at me so we didn't do it. Yeah another another text unreplied to You're required to learn as you play roll But maybe next week will be our our lucky week who knows about that. I like your chances. You're more than mine anyway are lucky week who knows about that I like your chances yours more than mine anyway Oh Not even close Adam I rule the one Put us on square 41 One what do you do a man? I'm kind of biting your right. What is that? It's just a regular episode next to come, sorry.

I'm sure we can find a way to make it fun. Okay, maybe. I like cute episodes, I'm looking forward to this. Yeah, it'll be fun. In the meantime, we got to thank all the friends of DeSoto who support our work at maximumfund.org slash join. We got to thank Wendy Pretty, the producer of this program, and we gotta thank Bill Tilly, the card daddy,

who runs our social media at greatest trek on Instagram and Twitter. Real fun follows, follow us on the social meds. Yeah, you gotta do that. I mean, I don't wanna say that as a friend of DeSoto, your job is incomplete, if you don't. But there are a lot of friends of DeSoto out there for you to meet, and the way to do it is getting out there on the social needs. Using the hashtag GreatestGen, perhaps? Gotta do it.

That'll get their attention. Also follow Adam Ragusia on YouTube. He's a chef on YouTube, but in the podcast realm he's a great musician. He made all of our custom theme music. Of course, following in the footsteps of dark material, he made the original bookart science. Yeah, dark material also made a very popular YouTube cooking channel. It's weird. Like, how many things Adam Ragusia is following in the footsteps of? Yeah.

Yeah. What's that about, man man? Yeah kind of a Weird obsession you ask me Well, is that will be packaged in next week with another great episode of Star Trek Voyager and an episode of the greatest Generation Voyager where we break into Weird Pistolary Southern accents pretty often. Oh, this is what we do best. Yeah.

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