The Greatest Generation - Dr. Jazz Horse (DS9 S6E2)

Episode Date: February 24, 2020

When Sisko crashes his crew’s tick into the broad side of a planet, the girders go flying. But when the Vorta there starts playing both sides of the conflict, tensions become inflamed. When is a warm seat the last straw? Which episode title is off-limits? What’s the coke-iest movie? It’s the episode that that needs a carpet cleaner!

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I'm Ben Harrison. I'm Adam Pranica. How you doing today, Adam? Great. So great. The best. Yeah, this is, we are really like in the thick of your move stress, I think. I'm almost positive it's not gonna get any worse than this.

Like I think I've reached the bottom of what's going on. And from here on out, it's just climbing out into the light. Oh, really? So you think you've hit the nadir and now you'll just be clawing your way back up? I mean, the thing that happens to most people who talk the way I just did is that they find a subnadeer, famous words.

They find a subnadeer. And the deer on top of that nadeer, or below it, I guess, in this configuration, and then it gets even worse. Good crossword puzzle word, nadeer. Moving's hard. Yeah. I wanna cheer you up.

This isn't Star Trek Bombercast. That's not what this is. It's not what this is for us or anyone else. Adam, I have an idea of something that cheer you up. All right, lay it on. A jazz horse update. I suggest you find a new line of work. It's okay, girl, just a scratch. This is really surprising to me. I haven't played Jazz Horse for many months, so I'm excited to hear what you're about to tell me. I'm guessing it will be another month or two at the earliest they all have time to play Jazz Horse.

And this is a bit of an unusual Jazz Horse update because it's a letter bag Jazz Horse Update. Okay. And I have to change some details for this because I was asked to, but... A redacted Jazz Horse update is what this is. I'm gonna read this letter, and you know, some details change to protect the innocent.

Hello, I was the lead animator for the horse on jazz horse at Rockstar North. Sorry, I know you get a lot of spam, so I was hoping that weird first line was enough to get your attention. I've been so happy listening to you guys chatting about Jazz Horse a while back. I've been listening to you guys since the famous article,

and the pod was a near constant soundtrack while I was animating and implementing the horse for Jazz Horse. Jesus, I worked on that game for years, and this is all I can ever call it now. I love that you enjoyed the game and I really really enjoy your pod and get super cool that we like each other's stuff. The DNA of the greatest generation is forever baked into the hefty haunches of those horses. Whether it's a

particularly jaunty gate from the brilliant mood you guys put me in to a misplaced hoof from laughing so much my mouth slipped across my desk. All printed in ones and zeros on tens of millions of blu-ray discs forever. Not even the pocket of big rod can undo that. So yeah, the reason the person that sent this wanted me to like withhold their name and like not be super specific. Oh, that was. That they were saying that the fans of Rockstar Games like hack people's emails accounts and LinkedIn's and try and find where they live because they wanna go meet them and shit. That's scary.

I know, like I was thinking about that today. Like there's have been times in this project where I've been like, you know, like we have a lot of people that listen to the show and I'm really grateful for that, but I wish we had like Like a real needle-paking amount of passion in our listeners and I This is an object lesson in why you don't want a needle-paking amount of passion. Yeah, I'm glad I'm glad most of the viewers of Greatest Jen are like, yeah it's fine. That's kept us safe for years, that's a great letter and wow, respect Nux to that person,

the creator of the Jazz Horse. That's amazing, he made all the horses. Yeah, I mean, like this is... He made genuine. This is just as exciting as when we found out that a lot of people that listened to the greatest discovery work on Star Trek Discovery. Can he resurrect genuine for me? Oh snap. I don't know, because-

You know what, that's one reason I would want to stock this guy, figure out where he lives. Yeah, yeah. I've understood. You missed it. But what about that horse over there? Yeah. this guy figure out where he lives. Yeah, yeah, I've understood. You missed it. But what about that horse over there? Yeah, yeah, I got a new horse now. Yeah, this is as good as genuine.

It's true. I haven't played in so long. I do miss it. Yeah. I'm gonna make the time for an hour that next week. I think I can tell that mental health time. I think you deserve my prescription, as a matter of fact, six hours.

Wow, that's a size of pill that needs to be taken rectally. Yeah, that's a horse belt. Yeah. You need it, man. Wow, when was the last time you played are you still in it? I think I haven't played so far in 2020 but I have been meaning to get back on it and As of this recording my wife's going out of town over the weekend and There you go. That's useful

You know, I haven't like had that much chill time lately So I think I'm gonna carve it out as well You know what we should do is pour these prescriptions into this brandy snifter and and we each take six hours of jazz horse and Call each other in the morning, but that's great That's just what Dr. Jazz Horse ordered. Yeah, I wonder if That's just what Dr. Jazz Horse ordered. Yeah, I wonder if, uh, should there be a Jazz Horse 3, the Jazz Horseening? Even if this exists in the game as it is right now, I mean, I wonder if there are any greatest Gen Easter eggs to be found.

I mean, this person did design the Jazz Horse. I think that the way the horse's butt moves is the Easter egg. That's what this person is saying. Yeah, it is hypnotic. Notic, notic, notic, isn't it? Yeah, it occurred to me today. I was driving around and I was thinking about how like my earliest experience of driving around L.A. was via the Grand Theft Auto game that was set in like a fictional version of LA. And if they made that game today, how many scooters and micromobility vehicles would be in it? You know, the first time you get air-rounding Wilshire too fast in real life,

it really makes you think about all the times you did it in GTA. Yeah, yeah. Well, anyways, I wanted to say thanks to that friend of DeSoto who has baked our silly show into that great, great video game. Yeah, we should send them Jazz Horse shirt or something. That'd be cool. Yeah. Wow, mutual respect from a real lifelife creator to you and me Ben

Do you want to get into the episode we came to review today Adam? Yeah, sure enough our Marin has washed ashore the episode today It's season six episode two it's called rocks and shoals shows. Do you realize how incredible this is? No, of course you don't. We begin with no last time here, Ben. It is a... We just get a smash to Cisco's log.

You just have to remember what happened last time. I like it. I like that kind of respect for the viewer. It's assuming that you know what's happening. Also assuming. It's a bigger assumption than like current trek is doing, right? Like basically every episode of current trek has, has a last time on.

I kind of love the attitude of we don't care if you know or not. This is what we're doing. I mean, thinking about that, like I remember in the, what we left behind documentary, they talked a lot about in different markets because it was just a syndicated show. Like they had almost no control over like when the show would be aired and the stations

that had it would move its time slot all the time and without warning. So it's not like a safe assumption that everybody knows would happen last time. But this is a very self-contained story that is also within the context of a larger story. So I think it works. We don't get the scene of Cisco trying to work

the captain's log machine on the tick that I can't wish we got. We just, we skip to the part where he makes it work and that's fun. Power has not been totally restored and this tick is limping and they don't like their chances of getting out of I guess I guess technically it's dominion space. Cardiacian slash Dominion Space. Right. And everybody is real frustrated with this. It's a lot of damn this, damn that.

And as he wraps up his captain's log, Cisco walks onto the bridge and puts on his heads up display. And this is I think the first time we've gotten the POV of somebody wearing one of these. And I thought this was really cool. I wonder what happens after prolonged exposure. Because it's like, it's showing that that little screen is giving him an augmented reality view, like, uh, 360 degrees in three dimensions of the exterior of the ship.

Like, he can turn his head and see what's out there and what it's doing. It's as cool as it looks difficult though. Yeah, I mean, it looks difficult, but this is like, one of this episode come out like 1997. Look, that is an idea that is current bleeding edge technology stuff. Yeah, it's VR bridge crew technology

as in the video game. Right, and I thought that it was really neat to see Star Trek, and in this era was still inventing technologies that are things that people like were inspired enough by to go and figure out how to make. This era of Star Trek, though leans fairly heavily on the shows and movies that came before in one very crucial way. The idea of girders representing great danger. Just the premise of hiding in a nebula and a girder coming out of the ceiling is direct right of con

It's a lot of fun and it's not just one girder that falls on top of DAX like it is a pile Yeah, this is a one of the most rugged slow-motion attempted girder murder scenes we've ever gotten And they're getting shot at by other gem hadar ticks that I guess know that they are an interloper. And yeah, they fly into this nebula to try and escape them. And we find out from Dr. Bashir that the ankylosaur inside dax may have been injured in this bridge girder collapse scene. It's pretty heady stuff. It's nuts that two support beams that are this big and this important looking can fall out of the ceiling and the ship stays pretty much intact. I mean, what are they even doing there to begin with?

What are they holding up? Now when you make a gem-hidatic, it's important to put up a number of non-load bearing beams across your bridge. We're putting up enough beams that we'll pass any inspection no matter what load is theoretically putting on the deck above. But that means we're bringing in dozens of extra beams that wouldn't necessarily be needed in a normal Starship environment. When this tick was first built the floor plan was very closed off. What you can see here is the kitchen, reasonably leading into the dinner table and in the living room behind that. Mothers love this because they can watch their kids while they

work the kitchen and we're definitely not perpetuating patriarchal situations by building kitchens like this at all One of the very last shots of this sequence is the tick kind of spinning toward an uncharted planet Below this comes as a prize because the Nebula that they've ducked out for Has been uncharted so anything could be in there Even this planet, they're about to crash on. Yeah, it looks like a very like civilization for planet. Like you said it to like inland waterways setting and then like scale the planet size up to big. God, my wife and I have been playing hours and hours of sieve on the iPad lately.

Really? Yeah. The before bedtime that usually could be used for anything else is now just Siv time. I like it. My wife famously declared to me that she estimates she will play less than 30 minutes of video games from now till she dies. So.

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Oh shit, there goes the planet. And this is a real interesting profile shot comp. And you can tell you're looking at something weird. I mean, anytime everything in a frame is in focus, odds are that's gonna be a comp. And so in the scene, in the profile view, we've got the territory behind and both of the gem hadar. You can try to sell this through lighting and it's something that

they attempt to do here. But for some of these angles, it doesn't quite hang together believably. Yeah, they're definitely not getting these guys in a position where they're like overlapping with the water really. So that feels like a comp, but it also could just be that it's really bright out there. Yeah, yeah, that's fair. And we know about like shooting in bright light,

you're gonna get, like your depth of field is gonna be such that everything's gonna be in focus if you get a lot of light. Unless you really restrict the amount of light getting into the lens with a filter. But that can look a little bit strange to our eyes because we're so used to looking at things that are shot indoors. So often when you're shooting outside,

you do use filters to get shallow depth of field just because it looks really weird when everything is tacked sharp. Yeah, and this is an example of that. So, I don't think that they really establish why these gem had are on the planet. You were right to question him. If he had not ordered us into the nebula two days ago, we would not have crashed. It was not my place. And yet, this is a group of gem had are that are stranded here, and they're talking about

what a bad situation there in because their first and second bought it. The third is not feeling great about getting the big promotion that he would seem to be due because he sort of spoke up against whatever plan got them into this problem. I like that this is how this story is constructed from the beginning. This scene kind of represents season six so far. If you don't know what's happening, you'll figure it out eventually. So then we get a nog pulling himself up onto the shore like a shipwreck picked him in a nautical adventure centering the Napoleonic War. And then everybody's like hauling themselves up on the shore.

And we actually see the tick sinking in the surf in the background. I like the wide territorial shot of the sinking tick. Yeah, and I also like that they have like a raft with a bunch of provisions stacked on it. Like they had enough time before the tick sank to actually like do something about it. It's unclear if people died in this crash. Yeah. No one mentions it. We got a couple extras here too as a part of this crew on the planet and they reveal themselves over time.

But I think that's interesting. Yeah. That either they have a skeleton crew or they don't mention the many dead that are locked inside the tickic underwater. Yeah well we've got is Dax, O'Brien. I am chief mild's Edward O'Brien. This is fucking spectacular! Garrick, Cisco, Nog and I think two extras so yeah it's a pretty small crew. O'Brien's real pissed about messing up his pants So I guess that makes me think nobody died, but I guess that's not a sure shot Brian has just got to be glad he didn't blow out his crotch. He's lucky. No one can see his haggus

Big laughs all around though laughs all around though. We cut to Deep Space 9 where Kira gets up and starts her day and this is just kind of a slice of life. What is a morning for Kira look like sequence? She you know heads to ops and what this is showing us is that she heads to ops and all of her co-workers are Cardassians and Gem Hedar. The epiphany I had during this scene was Kira works from home, so does everyone else on the station. Yeah, that's true. I mean, her commute is just taking a lift.

I don't know why she has to get up at 5 a.m. then. That's first shift right there in a lot of places. Maybe she hits the gym. Maybe she's one of those people that like goes to go to Bedurin Temple every morning before work. She should propose a four shift rotation. What's wrong with that? Gives the gym a dark more time to hit that white. Yeah, it occurred to me that if you wanted to start a resistance on deep space nine what you would do is find a way to adulterate the white.

Yeah, but it's kept in that locked case. How do you get into that case? That's the question. Maybe just shake the case up because one thing that's revealed about these cases is that they don't have a lot of like foam padding on the inside. Is the case beam proof? Seems like you could replace the vials with other vials. Just replace them with vials and sips.

With vials and sips. With skim milk. Yeah, and then it just curdles in the tube. Oh, gross. That would be very unpleasant, I bet. Yeah. Kira, warm seats it with an outgoing crew person. This also made me think of the way submariners do it.

I wouldn't want to sit down on a warm seat. The only seat, I like to be warm is the toilet seat of my bidet. That's the only circumstance where that's something I can get with. Yeah, you don't want to be in a seat where a cardazion's been blasting his butt. And that's it for this scene. We're back on the planet's surface

where we meet a new Vorda, Ben as name is Keven, not Kevin he will tell you, and everyone else who asks. He doesn't have the same name as me, does he? If so, I might have to take you with all Vorda everywhere. There was a time when I thought about exterminating every Kevin besides myself, which made things a lot easier. It's a fairly common name so if I went to a restaurant with Roshan and they'd call their table, it occasionally caused minor confusion and I just don't like awkward situations.

I got kind of a Larry David approach to life. You wouldn't believe how awkward my pitch was to HBO for curb my genocide. Keven is struggling with his injuries. It's 10 days from any possible rescue and he's kind of circling the drain. The way one of his eyes is circling one of his eye sockets. He's lazy eye injured, Ben. He's in a bad way. He's got really piercing eyes too.

One thing I read about the circumstances of the shoot was that it was extremely hot again. I remember that episode where they were in that flip-dover tick on the planet's surface and it was like 120 degrees. Same circumstance here. And what I read was that the makeup was so runny. It made everyone's eyes really irritated and read. I wonder if this guy's contact slipped out of square and that's why he's looking the way he does. Or it's just a way to visually tell the story that that he's in

really bad shape. I don't know. I don't know. He's got really piercing blue eyes in his headshot on IMDB. So I wondered if these are contacts or that's just what his eyes actually look like. I mean, he's not too injured to distribute the white because it's the right time for the white time. And he's the only one there to do it. Did these German arocostumes look a little crappier than normal to you? That was not something that I noticed, but I mean I also was just willing to accept their rumpledness due to their circumstances. Hmm.

This is another Michael Vihar, and I had directed episodes, so. Harder and Viharder is what we know about him, right? Yeah. Enjoy the heat. So harder and v harder is what we know about him right? Yeah Enjoy the heat Yeah, you do not want a director of that Reported reputation on the hot shoot. Yeah on the hot shoot. He's not a hot shoot director if you can help it Yeah, so Keven gives them one Vile of white for all of the gem hadar present. Only one. Keep your place.

Which is a major bummer to these guys. And he explains it away as, you know, we've got a while to be here, so I'm going to ration it. And that's that. The Gemadar don't get to second guest decisions made by their Vorta. We cut to another cave here. And I mean this- Star Trek caves got a lot of work in this episode.

This is challenging, I think, if you're putting together an episode like this to make the same Star Trek cave look different, shot to shot. Right. Because we cut to the cave where our Star fleets are located. And the sheer has changed into kind of a cut off champion short sleeve sweatshirt.irt look like that teal color that was so popular in the late 90s that's what he's rocking. Yeah, they're heating up a big rock in the middle of the chamber so that they can flash dry their starfleet uniforms and everybody's like in their underpants putting their clothes back on.

They're opening of this scene. Dax is really in a bad way. And by that I mean she's in pain. And Cisco has to do that thing out in the field where he promises he's gonna get her out of there. But he really has no information to confirm whether or not that's possible. It's kind of a hollow promise right now. They do a runner in this episode

and the bit is that he is Captain Hospitality and this is a hotel. Like he comes up to her with Madame Your Pants already and there's all the, there is a running premise that they keep coming back to that DAX is staying in hotel crash land planet. And I thought that that was really fun. I thought that was fun writing. I thought that was fun writing.

All I do is it. It's no matter what. Terry Ferrell is famously photo sensitive. And so if you're ever gonna do an episode outside, she has to be protected in a certain way. And the way that she was protected in this episode is that she gets to take all of her scenes inside. I should tell people I'm photosensitive.

I hate being outside. I hate having my photo taken, so is that a sort of photo sensitivity? I'm going to be staring at this cave ceiling for the rest of my stay. There's kind of parallel circumstances, right? Like both marooned groups have one desperately injured person. Yeah.

The first mission we see is Nog and Garrick are dispatched to take a scan of their environment. And I like this scene a lot. It was a scene that called back what happened in Empoknoor, which it's easy to forget that that was four episodes ago for us, but it's like, it's like distant memory for these characters, and it would be if you're watching this at the time of its release. And Nog is expressing that he will never trust Garrick again.

And Garrick is quite encouraged by this development. It's more than fair of Nog and it's respected by Garek. Yeah, I really liked it. You know, we don't get to enjoy this moment for too long because they pretty quickly get grabbed by some some gem hadara that come come out of cloak and and take them to see the Vorta and Nog is trying to do that military prison thing where he just gives like the Geneva Convention required amount of information and no more. And Gary is like, you are a fucking idiot. What he needs to do is be a better improviser than he is in this scene because Garrick goes right into doing a show. My name is Kamal and I'm a member of the Cardassian Intelligence Bureau.

And Nog cannot keep up. I thought that Garrett could have kept this going though. I thought so too. There's a moment where the Vorda asks him what the hell is Starfleet combat just for if he's in this Cardassian Intelligence Agency, and he gave up. I feel like you could keep lying. Keep lying, Garrett.

I had three ideas about directions. You could take that. You know, and I'm not, I'm not half the liar that Gary is. Yeah. Like I'm in such deep cover of course I'm going to wear their combat. How else am I supposed to talk to these people? I'm like Jason Bourne. I've got like a Swiss bank account with 25 different combat just from 25 different societies in it. This is his passport, you're exactly right. But what is clear here is that Kevin wants access to the doctor that he knows to be in that other Star Trek cave.

And so now he has some leverage for that. Yeah. What Kevin does is he tasks his, what is it, his third? Yeah, his third. The first and the second have been killed, and so all Gem had our tasks fall on the third, and he's a guy who is uncomfortable with his field promotion in a number of areas.

In this case, he's told he needs to go scout the other landing party but do not engage them. He's only supposed to take pictures This is a Remetta Clon Yeah, his character's name played by Phil Morris is Who we've also seen on deusface 9 playing Thopak the Klingon that runs around with Grilka? Yep, and Zia also on deusase 9 as somebody else?

He was also in Star Trek 3, the search for SPAC. Oh, really? He's the cadet that wants the sheet cake party back at the station. I hear those welcome sounds that you like. I think it's a little fun. This is the, we had like, Ometa Klan, a couple episodes ago, and now we've got Remata Klon.

What is this show doing, hiring black actors and making them play characters with Klan in their name? I don't know how to answer that, Ben. I don't know how to answer that, Ben. That was not part of the deep space nine documentary. Mostly softball questions that doc. No one. And Stephen Bear was working with the editor. He didn't put that up on the screen. Yeah, what they needed in that doc was maybe some more harder hitting questions.

One person who has really leaned into the asking of such questions is Jake, who is sitting in on a meeting on DS9 with Odo and Kira. He's still doing his journalism, even though he knows no one will ever read or listen to his work. It's kind of like us doing a Star Trek podcast, Ben. Toiling in anonymity. Yeah. He does kind of got your style journalism because he's really putting tough questions to both Kira and Odo about letting the Gem Hedar run the show the way they are. Like does Odo's participating in the ruling council

on the station give legitimacy to the occupation? Is Kira, has Kira become like the handmaiden of the second occupation of Beijor? These are extremely provocative questions, and then like, start dropping in stuff that he knows that they don't, which has got to be particularly embarrassing for Odo when Jake asks, like, are you guys going

to the protest tomorrow? And Odo's like, duh. The scene represents a kind of dimensionality. I didn't really appreciate until the end of the episode because at the time I felt a lot like you, what the hell are you doing Jake? These are your friends. Why are you challenging them on your bullshit that doesn't even matter? But what it's really doing, because you and I love Kira and Odo, we're not accepting of Jake's questions and it feels aggressive and cruel, but what it's actually doing is making

us see the truth. And it's calling them on their bullshit. And it's making Kira and Odo do that as well. And I really appreciated this scene later. At the time I felt the way you did, though, I didn't have a lot of respect for what Jake was doing at the time. Yeah, I mean, I think that Jake is coming from a position of never having been in this kind of danger before.

So maybe doesn't appreciate the risk of pushing these buttons, but I think it's good that he's pushing these buttons. And even though there isn't a free press on the station, like kind of cost playing, it actually has like positive outcomes in the long run. What he asks about toward the end of their interview is that there's going to be a demonstration. This is a Bajoran demonstration headed up by Vedic Yasim. And the expectation is that Kira and Odo might have a position here.

But all it is at the moment is kind of a security threat. Auto, and Kira view this as just another opportunity for a crackdown to occur as a result. Which they are doing because they believe it's the best way to keep people safe and unkilled in this, what they view to be temporary occupation of the station. Yeah. Come to a foreign, come to a foreign, come to a foreign. What are you doing? Come to a foreign, come to a foreign. What are you doing?

Come to a foreign, come to a foreign. What are you doing now? Come to a foreign, come to a foreign. Come to a foreign, come to a foreign. Come to a foreign, come to a foreign. Come to a foreign, come to a foreign. Exactly. Back in the DAX cave, a security random that we will know as Paul Gordon reports that

Garrick and Nog may be lost. He can't find them. He's a good Gordon, but he's no J-Gordon. No, I wonder if he's J-Gordon's dad. No, I'm afraid not. Is the right age to be J-Gordon's dad? You know, I was taking a look at the soil out here. It's like we could grow some pretty messed up radishes if we if we had to stay a while, you know

This dirt is weird We cut to the search party like I love how bang bang the sequence is like we know Eric and nog may be lost We cut directly to the search party for them and we get introduced to another security officer Ben I'm really liking the cut of Lisa Neely's jib and her red bun taken charge. Captain, there's a group of life forms up in the cliffs. Everyone's rocking deep vies in the scene. It's hot. You gotta unzip that jacket.

They're walking across this kind of like the bottom of a quarry where it's like slightly filled in with water in places. And there's steep cliffs on all the sides. And they're like, oh yeah, this is like a perfect place to get ambushed by Jim Hadar. These gems are real strung out on their extremely low, they're like micro dosing the weight at this point. And it's just not what their systems are used to.

So they've got those itchy trigger fingers and one of them starts licking shots even though like the premise of this, like the order that the Vorta gave was go make contact with Starfleet and like propose this prisoner exchange idea. And instead it turns into a firefight where the federations are pinned down and the gem in art of the high ground. It's a real bad situation. I thought this was a well-shout, well-composed action sequence. The practical explosions look good. Yeah.

They're really hung together nicely. Yeah. And it's also a confusing action sequence for the federations because when a Rometa-Clon comes back, he's like, who fired? Like what, like you guys have to stop. We need to withdraw. He finds out that the guy that blew it has lost his ability to cloak himself.

So that guy's gonna have to provide suppressing fire while they run away. And soon enough the fire fight kind of subsides and they get back to the cave. I mean, was it your understanding that this is sort of like running a camera and a monitor off of one battery that the white both sustains the gem hadar and gives them the ability to do the cloak. I don't know. I interpreted it as he'd taken some incoming fire or something. Oh, okay.

But I don't know. It seems like a biological capability they have, right? Yeah, that's kind of what I thought. Was that a machine? Yeah. A little unclear. They have like another organ that allows them to do that. Well, the reason I brought it up is that like, they sort of look around at each other like, Rometiclon is like, all right,

well, you have the ability to shroud, right? And the other guy's like, no, me neither. But he wasn't shot. So it's got to be a biological thing. Well, it's white related. Yeah. It's white privilege. It's white powers what it is. Oh, it's white-related. Yeah. It's white privilege. It's white power is what it is. Oh God.

I just got an email or a, we've been asked to leave the maximum fun network and take our show off of Apple podcasts. You know what? In the context of this scene, that joke fucking plays. And you know it. But joke plays. We can't call the episode White Power, though. Okay. That, I will agree with you on that, on that fact, for sure. I will instead call the episode, we can't call the episode White Power. I was in a dentist's office recently and they had an advertisement for a tooth whitening system and the slogan was the power of white when it was just a white guy in a suit with

a big grin. Come on guys. How the fuck does a marketing agency release a poster of that kind? I got to get some diversity up in that marketing agency then. How the fuck does a podcast put a joke in of that kind? Got past the goalie. Anyway, the scene sets into motion the idea of how much the gem had are really depend on chain of command.

And when that chain of command comes apart, the sorts of consequences that occur. This is not a good scene up on the cliff side, and a big part of it is the chain of command reason. When they get back to the cave, the Vorda is really pissed and wants to personally punish whoever started licking shots in the atmosphere first. And I thought this was a great moment for a Rettaclon because he's like i may not be first but i am the unit leader

you may discipline me because in the very last scene he saw what happens when change of command falls apart he is standing firm here and it's a great scene it makes you respect remettaclon and it makes you sort of dislike Kiven. Yeah, Kiven really pushes this issue and Rometa-clon stands firm in a way that I thought was really cool. He dismisses his men and Kiven is like,

hey man, respect Nex, that was pretty solid. You're a lot strengthier than I thought you were. Anyways, I need you to actually go do this now. Yeah. I have a new task for you. Back on DS9, we finally meet the aforementioned Vedic Yasim. She's an older lady.

She's having a conversation with Kira about the occupation. And Vedic Yasim sort of reminds Kira of the hardliner she used to be, W-slash-r-slash-t occupation. She's ready to protest and make a stink of this thing and Kira is unable to convince her that laying back in the cut is a viable strategy. Yeah, but the idea of this scene is that Kira has gotten in her duties, which are what the Bedurin government and Cisco asked her to do. She's gotten willing to tolerate a lot of evil.

But this is us against them. What are you talking about? Come on. That's a pretty intense truth that Kira really rejects in this moment. You just don't understand. Like, like, yes, he has to leave it with like, you're gonna, you're gonna see how tolerant of people you've gotten tomorrow at the protest, but obviously like you're too blind for it right now.

Maybe you don't know what I'm talking about now, but you will when it's over. Yeah, the scene ends with them at Bajagger heads. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Fetticia Seam was in Predator 2. What?

I'm trying to find what character she played. Not many people enjoy Predator 2 as much as the first, that's for sure. Predator 2 is great! I like Predator 2, I'm not saying I don't. Predator 2 posits an LA that is a hysterical level of war zone. Come again! Stop your asswear! It's like okay the first one was set in the jungle but what if the second one was set

in the urban jungle and what if the urban jungle was like way crazier than escape from New York? I love it. It's a hat on a hat, but it's a lot of fun. Very coaky feeling movie to me. It may be the coakyest movie that's ever been produced. Yeah, it's a lot of fun. Like it makes Predator 1 look not that coaky, which is astonishing.

It makes the first Predator look down right jazzy in comparison. Back at the DAX cave, Rometa-Clon arrives with his message. Rometa-Clon has a very interesting relationship with the concept of loyalty, because he believes super hard in it, but he arrives at this message and he's very honest about like this would not be my message if it was me, but this is the message. Would you make a deal like that? No, then why should I? You shouldn't. Cisco kind of does that, you know you wouldn't have to do that if I was your man, kind of thing. Yeah. Do you see sometimes socially, like he's trying to get in there.

He's trying to get in between him. He's trying to break up a happy home. Rometiclon is about following the letter and not the spirit of the law. And Cisco is all about that letter. I love how much an agreement they are about the shitty deal that's been proposed. Yeah. It's a shitty deal, you shouldn't take it. Yeah.

But also, Rometiclon is able to give some reassurances, which are that his orders are to release, Cisco and the doctor, once they do the thing that the, that the Vorta wants them to do. And that is something that I would be quite hesitant to agree to because there's nothing stopping the Vorta from changing his mind. And there's no like like Cisco has every reason to believe that Rometiclon will follow whatever the Vorta says at such time as he changes his mind. There's never been an example of a trust worthy

Vorda either, so it really feels like Cisco's going out on a limb here. Yeah, but that's the kind of man Cisco is, right? He is exactly. He is an trust to a fault. Yep. Yeah. Cisco twists the conversational knife here a little bit about him being the third and a really fun way and about Having to answer to the board at all He even refers to the first time he saw way you and getting killed. That's great. Yeah We're we're self-referential to so many other episodes this time around. It feels like a totally different show Yeah, this is this uses the tapestry that they've woven for five seasons to the fullest show. Yeah, this uses the tapestry that they've woven

for five seasons to the fullest effect. Yeah. Cisco's like, hey, it's not totally unusual for gemheadars to kill bad vortis. So just think about that. The Romantic Law is like, that is not the kind of gemhead I am, man. Cisco's like, you're not married.

You can just break up. Then you could be happy. You don't have kids or anything. You can walk away right now. I would make you so much happier. That boarder doesn't appreciate you the way I do. That boarder doesn't wreck that ass the way I would. The the conversation goes so well that Dax after were to like

congratulatory like I saw what you tried to do there. I think I think you might actually leave that for you. And guess what I'm excited. I'm excited for the potential we cut directly to the prisoner exchange scene, and this is really fun looking because they're using the super long telescopic lenses to shoot. It feels very like North Korea South Korea border

situation, you know? Yeah, and it's like a berm that goes between two pools of water at the bottom of this quarry and there are directions nice. Yeah, they're miked. So we get like the, you guys okay? Yeah, you guys okay? Like as they pass each other,

the prisoner exchange goes well enterprise. You know, like most of the time when you see this style of hostage exchange in movies and television, like somebody like takes a left and runs for the water and jumps in or something and then everybody starts shooting at each other. Well, you cut to the guy on the cliff who's the lone actor. Yeah, the sniper is somewhere.

And this is a brief scene, but it goes well. It goes very smoothly. Yeah. One thing that does not go smoothly is this protest on DS9 where Kira and Odo have sort of stationed themselves by the temple. They want to see what's gonna happen and Jake is there to kind of interfere By asking his probing questions. Yeah, the protest ends up being Vedic yes, Yesim hanging herself.

Yeah, very like burning monk vibes with this protest. Let the hat in the floor, let the hat in the floor. Hahaha. I really loved the slow mo of Kira running toward it and Odo's stopping her. Odo could actually just stop the death of the monk, right? Like he could just extend his arms out and cut the cable before it goes top.

It would seem as though a Mr. Fantastic kind of armthrow could have stopped this thing, but yeah, he did not. But I think by not doing that, he gets one problem out of the way. That I guess he was not gonna be a concern anymore. The way they stay on that shot of her feet and the hat as the piss starts and then pools at the bottom underneath her,

like they stay on that shot for like 30 seconds. And like, I know that like there's an amount that you poop normally, but like, I guess when you get hung, like, it's just everything that's in your lower intestine comes out and it's like really surprising, like, how much that actually is. It's not contained through a pant leg, either when you're a vet, you're wearing those, the gown. And it just comes out in kind of a pile. Yeah. And there's so much of it that it takes our underpants with it.

And it's just like, oh, that is a mess. Like you don't try and launder those. You just throw those away. This is a carpeted station. So it's especially awful in that respect. They're gonna have to get the steam cleaner, go rent it at the grocery store. God, and you know how that goes.

Like you go get the rug doctor, you gotta like put down a credit card deposit, you somehow get it in your trunk, get it home, and those things always leak. Like they leak more than they clean, pin. Yeah, and your car's gonna smell like the rug doctor stuff for the rest of its existence. Yeah.

It's really bad. Thanks, Vedic. So there's grief from a lot of anger, too. A lot of people have complaints about the way this went down. Lord, Lord, Lord, He's here, buddy. Lord, stop. Hammer time. Cisco and Bashir meet Kiven, and Bashir advises surgery immediately, which he does. And I think the way he can tell that Kiven needs surgery right away is that the seam around his ears

is showing probably the place he's gonna start digging his scalpel in first. Yeah, how low is coming off? Let me help you with that. Yeah, kind of a tough angle. When he pulls out his laser scalpel or whatever, the gem had all like bustle in and but sure thinks that they're like kind of trying to like bouncer him and give him it's like, no, no, they just like want to see what I look like on the inside. I like that. Yeah, I guess none of them have fucked him before. So we cut to another

scene of Kira starting her day. And this is, you know, if you thought she was in a bad mood, the first time we saw this, this is like taking extra long looks at herself in the mirror, taking big heaving size when she gets on the elevator full of gem and iron cardassians, drinking her ractagino at ops and looking around the room and seeing all of these bad dudes. She just flat out ignores Ned Ryerson on her way to the lift. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha from high school. Things don't look right to her at ops. Things look so wrong there that she up and leaves.

And you can tell this is a workplace without a manager figure taking a great interest in people because she leaves her station and no one really notices. Yeah, that's actually kind of nice, right? Like that the dominion is not like micromanaging you at your workplace. You get the feeling that Kira can take as long as a lunch as she wants.

Yeah, that's really cool. I respect you. They extend a lot of trust to her. It's one of those workplaces that has unlimited paid time off. You know, GolduCat may be a war criminal, but there are also some good things about his managerial style.

Ha ha ha ha ha. I'm saying, don't hire me if you have unlimited paid time off at your company. I'm going to take it. I think after doing greatest gen we are unsuited and unhierable forever more in a any kind of square job. I honestly think about that a lot like how fucked we are. It's over for us. Yeah. We've made the commitment. We have painted ourselves into an extremely stupid corner, Adam. Yep. So the surgery is a success.

The Fordous ear has been reattached. Bashir is like kind of gloating in that Bashir kind of way. He's great. He's great in this episode. I'm the doctor here. The gem had our artist dismissed because Keevin needs to have a conversation with Bashir and Sisko about the state of the white.

Yeah, and he opens his chest o white and shows that there is a single vial left. So the Gem Hadar are basically a ticking time bomb. And, you know, like obviously the dominion is gonna take this as a learning opportunity. If Kee you know, like obviously the dominion is going to take this as a learning opportunity if Geven can get back to the dominion. He's gonna propose putting a pick and pull foam lining in the white cases that they take into the field. Yeah going forward, but for now they do have a gem hit our problem. And it's really all of their problem. You know, you crack a lens once using a non-pelican,

pick and pull case. That's the only time it ever happens in your career. You switch to foam pretty fast. Yeah, you gotta get that good stuff. And so, yeah, what he proposes is, I'm gonna tell the gem-hid-ar to attack you in in a particular way I'm gonna tell you how that attack is going down so that you can get the drop on them and take them out Because you know you're out numbered But you know we're all fucked if they run out of white

So take it or leave it like they're attacking one way or another if you agree I will tell you how they're attacking and There's some lip service paid to like I can't believe you're betraying your men this way. But it's not like Cisco or Bashir can do anything about this. The dimensionality of the Vorta is such that you are surprised, but not totally surprised at this turn in him. You get the sense that any Vorta would say or do whatever they could to survive. Right, and it's like very hard for Cisco and Beshear to wrap their minds around the way the Vorta thinks about the Gem Hidar as expendable because in the federation nobody is expendable.

Nobody's treated that way. In the federation, if you don't show up to a party, you've been invited to people care a lot about that. Yeah, it matters. Yeah. It really matters. This is pretty dark stuff, and I really love where it puts the stress, because Keevin, having told Cisco this plan, puts the ball in his court.

He knows all of this stuff. It's up to Cisco to actually do the killing now. Yeah. And there isn't a lot of debate in if the argument is killer be killed, right? I think he'll always end up on the side of kill. Yeah. I thought that the blocking of the scene where Cisco shows them how the attack is gonna go down is a little bit strange because Cisco's like pretty far across the room from a lot of them and like facing away from a lot of them and is drawing on the sand and like nog is in the background going like this seems like a bad thing to do.

Yeah, in real life everyone but Cisco looks like they're slagging him off for this time. Yeah, and Cisco's like reclined on the floor like he's like at a Roman feast or something. Should Keevin's proposal work out the way he says he's going to give them his broken communications array and then they're all going to be rescued and Keevin's going to be put in a cozy white collar federation prison. Like that's the outcome that he is angling for here. Keven is going for a nice comfortable way

to live out the war. I see we understand each other. So Odo catches up with Keira up on the second floor of the promenade right where Vedic Yasim took her own life and she has pulled her combat off. She's tied a tiny new Surrounder Compage. Ready to put it over the side.

She feels composite. She, you know, like is talking about like what her position on people like her would have been, you know, when she was in the resistance, the fact that she's now a collaborator in her own mind. I wonder if the show regrets killing off her resistance friends at this moment in time, because wow, could you imagine the sort of conflict that would be for her to interact with them again?

Yeah, I mean, her life is super different from theirs. They're all in a position to walk away from their dirt farms and restart their lives as resistance fighters. And she is a part of the system now. In the absence of those resistance fighters, Naina Visitor has to demonstrate this conflict all on her own her own and luckily she's very capable of that in this scene. Yeah and Odo is trying to take the position of like you're not complicit like you're doing the right thing to like preserve the most lives and and like get

through this situation and she basically puts him in a position of like pick me or pick law and order, but like I'm gonna start resisting and Spoiler alert, Odo does not have a bit a very hard time picking Kira as the person he is Most loyal to Odo does do that thing here that kind of made me roll my eyes, which is Kira is like confiding in him big time All of these tortured feelings and Odo is like confiding in him big time, all of these tortured feelings. And Otos like, you think that's bad? Guess what I'm going through. In a way that's just kind of unwelcome when you're trying to share your pain with a friend,

you know? Yeah, Otos like a really nice coffee shop, one of many in my neighbor are disclosing down for a little while. Imagine how I feel. Awesome. So the gem hadar begin their attack. They are working their way across the same field as the star fleets were when they got attacked earlier. And the Starfleets are all up there with their phaser rifles ready to go. This all get into a bunch attack formation.

It does not look strategically sound, enterprise. No. And Rometiclon is surprised to hear Cisco calling out to him. Cisco suggests that they have a little parlay before they get the fun and games going. And so Rometiclon agrees to this. Cisco comes down and has a face to face with this gem hadar third. He's got terms and these terms aren't irrelevant. He knows that the situation is hopeless on the gem hadar side and Rometeklann isn't even sure he has the authority to negotiate at this point. He's really sticking to the chain of command way of thinking that he's always had.

Yeah, it's really interesting. Rameclan is a slave who believes in slavery. Like, he's like, like Cisco says, this word betrayed you. He told me how to kill you. And Rameclan is like, that's his prerogative man. Like, that's the chain of command that I live in. And like, if he wants to send me to my certain death, he has every right in the world to do that.

At this point in the episode, it is very clear that we are being presented two sides of a possible resistance. We get the Kira character grappling with how much resistance she can muster and Rometiclon doing the same here. Yeah. They're sort of thinking in parallel. The amount of resistance that Rometiclon can muster and Rometiclon doing the same here. Yeah, they're sort of thinking in parallel. The amount of resistance that Rometiclon can muster is Zero right because this turns into a great big firefight

It's a slaughter Paul Gordon gets killed, but we didn't really know Paul Gordon Yeah, for he died and we don't need his radishes boy Jay is gonna be pretty bummed out though. Yeah poor guy You know, it'll probably be a decade before he gets news of his father's death, so He'll be fine. That's true. So this is a really Savage fight scene, a lot of great slow-mo, like a number of phaser-fire shots that would have put a TNG episode out of budget, right?

Yeah. What you get is a lot of expressions from the Starfleets here. Like they know they're slaughtering these guys. You get the sense by the looks on their faces that they aren't happy to do this. Derek looks like pretty chuffed, but, but, but, no, looks particularly disgusted with what happened. Yeah. There is a fair amount of, of tortured feelings, I think, in this scene. And then Keven comes out and he's like, cool, thanks.

Great to end business with you. Just FYI, if I'd had any more white, this would have gone the opposite way, and you'd all be dead right now. So try not to feel too bad about what happened here. Hooray for me, says Keven, and we get sort of double scales to credits to end the episode. Did you like the episode, Adam?

You really want to do this here. Did you like the episode Adam? You really want to do this here. Now I'm okay, okay, let's do it, do it. I think this is one of the stronger apps I can remember seeing on DS9. It was totally relentless in terms of its pacing. It seemed like even in the client moment something heavy was happening.

Yeah. And I really liked it for that reason. It really felt mature as just an episode something heavy was happening. Yeah. And I really liked it for that reason. It really felt mature as just an episode of dramatic television, but also as an episode of Star Trek. It really feels like one of the good ones. What about you? I agree. I mean, I think that it, like, the characters feel really three-dimensional and lived in

and the world that they're inhabiting feels really real. I think Jake especially is very interesting in this episode in a way that he often isn't. Yeah. And yeah, I think it's a very strong episode and an interesting, an interesting bottle in a larger

story arc. Yeah, a bottle in the case. Yeah. Do you want to see if we have any priority one messages? My friend. in a larger story arc. Yeah, a bottle in the case. Yeah. Do you want to see if we have any priority one messages? My friend. Plenty of bottles in that case, Ben. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel.

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We stayed hoof drunk. I would say to the Las Vegas Klingon, it's all good. I think our goal is to just go do a day at STLV every year, going forward if we can swing it. Yeah. Yeah. I think the standing rule to the Las Vegas Klingon and anyone else is like by all means, come say hi to us. Come say hi. Don't worry about it.

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This was a really hard one to select in an episode full of serious people doing serious work. I kind of feel like Bishir was the one outlier. He was in it for his own glory. Another successful surgery done. He just sort of like claps his hands together. Completely independent of the horror show happening around him. He doesn't seem to participate in the violence or in the danger in a way that everyone else does. Right. And he's just sort of keeps his own self-contained story and attitude about things. And...

Yeah, he's like a corpsman where he's like not actually doing anything with the guns. Yeah, it seems as though he's just kind of above it all in a very Shimoda kind of way. So that's why I'm gonna make him the Shimoda for this episode. What about you? You know I mixed feelings about this because of some of what we talked about but I kind of give it to Jake

for that first scene where he's talking to Kira and Odo. There is a version of Jake is doing this to like knock some sense into Kira and Odo, but he is also antagonizing like the only two people on the station who can help him if things get any worse. Yeah, why is he doing that? That seems dumb. Yeah, so for that reason, he gets my drunk Shimoda. Hmm. A greatest-gen live show is something you don't want to miss. Why? Well, it's a great opportunity to see me and Ben in person, but that's not all.

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About that guy. All right, well I'm going to head over to the Game of Buttholesoles, the will of the profits, where our runabout is on square 47. Just ahead, there is a space butthole that could take us down to a fuck it, we'll do it live. And I think that's the only hazard that we can potentially hit on this role. You're required to learn as you play.

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So we're on square 53 and just shy of a quirk's bar. and often the distance is a looking at each other during. That seems like it's going to be in our future a lot more often anyway. Yeah, it'll be less airplane travel associated with that. Stakes will be low. Well, can't wait to do that with ya buddy. In the meantime, we gotta thank all the friends of the Soto who go to MaximumFun.org slash Join and support the show on a monthly basis. As little as five bucks a month, we'll get you access to all of our bonus content and

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using the hashtag greatest Jan on Twitter, or he's at Bill Tilly 1973. I'm at Benjamin A.H.R. and Adam is at Cut for Time. I got to thank Adam Ragusea for his work on the music you hear on the show. He is the creator of our interstitial music. Our main title theme of course was made by Dark Materia. If you'd like to connect to the friends of the Soto, you know where to do it, you go to the Facebook group, there's a Reddit sub, there are Discord groups, and there's a wikia, all kinds of stuff going on out there.

Friends of the Soto are really cool and fun people to hang out with. Yeah, there's a subgroup for just about every interest, and shout out to my gym Shimoda friends out there at their pump and their iron. Yeah shout out to my favorite shout out to my greatest exo cooks out there. You got to make a greatest exo cook with a chef's hat on top of Jim Shimoda. Oh yeah we there's actually a design for that because we were both given aprons with a logo for that. Hey, if you're an exo cook, shoot an email to the Drunk Shimoda Gmail inbox and maybe we can get an official t-shirt going in the store. It's a great idea. Well, is that about it?

Ben, I think that just about does it. Alright, well with that we'll be back at you next time with another great episode of Star Trek Deep Space 9 and an episode of the greatest generation of Deep Space 9 that brings back a forgotten and beloved character. beloved Alex Anders gonna want to go to Quarks, get himself some passes to the hollow suites, take himself another mud bath. So he's gonna do. Maximumfund.org Comedy and culture.

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