The Greatest Generation - EMH Mark Dick (VOY S4E14)

Episode Date: August 29, 2022

When Seven finds a way to communicate with the Alpha Quadrant, Doc Holoday gets tapped to become Voyager’s message in a bottle. But a stormy trip to the U.S.S. Prometheus reveals just how far he’s... come w/r/t his program. Does Chakotay have a thing for powerful women? Do Romulans look good with a widow’s peak? Who was the inspiration for the Doc’s additions? It’s the episode that stans a legend! Support the production of The Greatest Generation.Friends of DeSoto for Democracy.Friends of DeSoto for Justice.Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Caretaker!Music by Adam Ragusea & Dark MateriaFollow The Greatest Generation on Twitter, and discuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen!The Greatest Generation is on Twitch.Facebook group | Subreddit | Discord | WikiSign up for our mailing list!

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Starting point is 00:02:27 Welcome to the greatest generation to Star Trek Podcast. By a couple of guys who are a little bit embarrassed to have a Star Trek Podcast, I'm Ben Erison. I'm Adam Prenica. I'm giving you an order. Who's got one thumb and is Adam Prenica? Yeah, that's me. I'm feeling great today, Ben? Yeah, that's me. I'm feeling great today, Ben. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:48 You know why. New computer day. New computer day. I love our eggs. Woo! It's important to spray your beverage. Some long drink. All over your brand new keyboard.
Starting point is 00:03:00 Yeah. Yeah. That new keyboard feels so nice. Oh, yeah, it really does. All the old bugs have been replaced with new bugs. That feels good. It's very interesting. My perspective of you has changed so much with new computer day. You're using your iPhone as a webcam. And so it's below your eye line and not above your eye line, giving you a sense of dominating the frame. You're the character with the advantage in the scene. Oh, no.
Starting point is 00:03:29 Whereas I have my camera set up so that it's above my eye line and I'm the character that disadvantage in the scene. I'm on my back heel in the language of film. That might be true, but in the room, your frame is above my iPhone frame. Yeah. So it's very, I'm looking up at you. We're like a morbias strip, bad movies turning around on itself with no beginning and no end. A morbias strip indeed. We are a student film that has really fucked up islands is what we are.
Starting point is 00:04:05 Yeah. Yeah, that'll happen. As a student filmmaker, you only ever realize that once you're in the edit. Yeah, yeah. If you're lucky, and then sometimes you only realize it at the screening. It's tough, man. I definitely shot at least one film I can remember where we shot one side of a scene and we're shooting on film and we were like, hey, do you remember what the setup was because I don't remember whether he was looking to camera right or to camera left so when we
Starting point is 00:04:35 shoot the other side of the scene which was in a different place like we're trying to make two places look like one place. I can't remember which way the guys supposed to be looking. place. I can't remember which way the guys supposed to be looking and we fucked it up. We didn't like nobody remembered. Nobody wrote it down. That sucks. We got the eye line wrong and it was like it was film and we didn't have an optical process where we could like flip it and and fix it in post, you know. So this was very, very primitive. Yeah. So this was very, very primitives. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:07 Yeah. Bad embarrassing. I never shot on film in college. I'm so envious every time I hear these stories. Like I was XL2. Yeah. I was DVX100. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:19 I was, what was Panasonic, Panasonic PD150? That was the DVX. No. What am I thinking of? That was like the long, the long PD-150 was a Sony camera. Maybe I'm thinking of that one for a time. Yeah, it was the big brother of the DVX 10, I want to say.
Starting point is 00:05:39 Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You could find those at any LA area goodwill, right? Like, whatever happened to those cameras. I don't know, yeah, they're around probably. I mean, you got to play with film a lot when you were a projectionist.
Starting point is 00:05:55 Right, yeah, that's where I got my film kicks, for sure. Yeah. And you still have a lot of those movie trailers, right? I know. I know. I gotta do something about that. Gotta do our movie trailer film festival. One day we'll have all of the Star Trek film movie trailers.
Starting point is 00:06:11 I think we've got two of them between the two of us, but we gotta collect them all. That's what we gotta do. Yeah, that'll happen. I should turn my Yagers into film trailers. That's what you, with the Yager bubble, you cash it in. Yeah, I mean, I've been a hold on Yager for years now. Maybe it's time to sell.
Starting point is 00:06:32 You've been hodling your Yagers. Yeah. Yeah. It's a seller's market now. You know what they say about these kind of speculative currencies, like somebody that has a huge amount of assets locked up in Ethereum or whatever, can't actually liquidate it for its market value because there aren't enough people that actually want to put that much money into a speculative currency.
Starting point is 00:06:57 Right. There just isn't a way to actually liquidate it. And I wonder if that's the corner you've painted yourself into with these yaggers. I mean, you keep using the word speculative as if what I've done here with the yagger bubble isn't actually a great investment, which is as been. It worked, Ben. Fortune favored the brave. Yeah. In my case, Jolly and I're saying it's unexplained. Yeah, but I mean, to your credit, you're also not trying, it's not a last fool in scam where you're not trying to bait people into buying eggers at this point. Yeah, I mean, the thing that makes crypto biffs distinct
Starting point is 00:07:40 from other cryptocurrency is that, is the scarcity, Ben. Right. Right. And there are only ever going to be this many Biff-Yegers. Nobody can make more Yegers. And if I control them all, I control the market. Yeah. Yeah. You're a real Yager magnet. It's crazy how long that bit on the show has lasted.
Starting point is 00:08:04 That goes way back. Goes way back to the beginning. I love Argyle. I think he's the greatest. Did you know the name of that actor is Biff Yeager? Which is an even cooler name than Argyle if you ask me. Yeah, that's really. That's season one TNG bit.
Starting point is 00:08:21 Yeah. Shout out to Biff Yeager. Big love to Biff. Yeah. To Biff and Biff's. Biff's got some some TikTok videos going these days. Hell yeah. Get it, Biff. Biff's making artwork in the, he's making like computer-generated artwork. Yeah. He's doing all kinds of cool stuff. Yeah. He's busy as hell. We stand a legend. Sure do. Sure do. do well Adam speaking of legends. Hi bitch You said it man you said it not me
Starting point is 00:08:59 Do you want to get into this episode? Star Trek book here. I can't wait. After that start, then Zach, if that Star Trek voyage or season four episode 14, message in a bottle. Reaper, course. Unless you've got something a little bigger in your torpedo doots, I'm not journeying around.
Starting point is 00:09:18 We start with a very cross-bilted. She's angry about one of her colleagues, a colleague who's cold and uncool to work with. Who could she be talking about, Adam? I know she can be difficult. Difficult? She's impossible. Yeah, I mean, there's only one person that fits this description.
Starting point is 00:09:37 I was like, so ready for this to be a switch him up, joke, you know? Oh, yeah. She's cold, and then it's like, it's ensign wild men. Ugh, she sucks, everybody hates her. Like if BLT didn't use pronouns, and it's revealed to be Forek, the end. Really hard to work with, total pain in the ass,
Starting point is 00:09:59 not nice, punched me in the face, and assaulted me that one time. You know. Boring. Part of the problem is your attitude. Yeah. I had this experience once in a workplace band. I was working with someone who was a real drag and for a long long time and I finally just shooting the shit with an upper upper manager. They were like, hey how are things going? And I was like, do shit with an upper, upper manager. They were like, Hey, how are things going? And I was like, do you really want to know?
Starting point is 00:10:29 And I made the mistake in believing this manager's sincerity. And like, yeah, lay it on me. And I was like, well, morale around here has not been great. And here's why. And that did not work out for me because it began a conversation that ended with me being called naive for believing in a workplace that could be joyful in any way.
Starting point is 00:10:58 Like, yeah, this, I was conned into being honest with an authority figure and you can never do that in a corporate style workplace. Gotta watch your six. Do you think that that's what Chico Te is doing to, uh, to BLT here? He's, he's shining her on to get her, her frank opinion so that he can then pull the rug out from under her. Well, the thing about Voyager is no one is going anywhere else to get another job. Like, this is it.
Starting point is 00:11:27 So you got to make it work. They're the only shop in town. I do believe in Chico Te's sincerity, but his angle is also like, you're not going anywhere. And neither is seven. What can I do? I can't do anything. You got to figure it out. Find a way to deal with her.
Starting point is 00:11:42 You got to put things back right with SEVON! You just made things right with 8 of 9. If you like me, you're so strong! Oh shit! 8 of 9, the other Borg's character that is not made up to screen yet. Yeah, and hasn't been separated from the collective. Eight of nine is just off screen. The character never hands over to that side, but he's there.
Starting point is 00:12:16 You can feel their presence. Chico Te gets ordered down to the astrometrics bay by the rude crew member in question. Yeah, and BLT is like, I'm telling you Chico Te. Astro, Astro Metrics Bay by the rude crew member in question. Yeah. Yeah. And BLT is like, I'm telling you, Chico-te. See? You see how she is? You asked for an example of what's wrong with seven and there it sits.
Starting point is 00:12:36 Exactly. Chico-te kind of likes powerful women though, huh? I think that's kind of his thing. Yeah. You think he's working, he's thinking about building seven a bathtub? Do you think if seven got into a bathtub, it would be like a toaster being dropped into a bathtub? We need to pull it out.
Starting point is 00:12:54 Yeah. Assist me. God help us if she ever learns about love and then has her heart broken and cries. She's gonna rust out. She's gonna like makes the tub and gets in it. Seven. I've drawn us a bath. She's gonna rust out. Chico-tee makes the tub and gets in it. Seven, I've drawn us a bath, and then seven gets in,
Starting point is 00:13:10 and then that's it for Chico-tee. Two crew members were killed in the breach. Stand down, everybody. The captain and Chico-tee make it down to the astro-metrics lab. Seven has big, exciting news. It's a star-fleet vessel on screen. Yeah. Look at this thing.
Starting point is 00:13:29 It's like an oasis when you're in the desert. Yeah. It almost doesn't look real. Yeah, they're rubbing their eyes. They're like shaking their heads. Do my eyes deceive me? Yeah. It's rubbed eyes to theme.
Starting point is 00:13:46 After the theme, we are, the crest has fallen. Yeah. Because hold your horses. This ship isn't anywhere near us. Yeah. It's over in the A quad. And at this point, I stopped listening to any dialog in the show because I saw a Judson Scott credit here, Ben. Oh, yeah. That'll, uh, that'll kind of ruin your ability to focus. Somebody saying Adam focus on the episode and you're like, I can't. What Seven neglected to mention is that she has patched herself into this network of abandoned alien communication satellites that are spread in between this part of the D quad and the part of the A quad that this ship is in.
Starting point is 00:14:34 Yeah. And this ship is passing within sensor range of one of these satellites, but it's about to leave. They've got 41 minutes to make contact. to leave. They've got 41 minutes to make contact. And if they can do it, they'll have their first message home that isn't shifted back in time and to a Romulan, that they can count. This is so exciting. Like, you can feel the need for this to work. They thought they'd had a way to send messages before and it's never worked. It's always been a disappointment. It's always gotten fucked up one way or another.
Starting point is 00:15:06 Yeah. Back on the bridge, Janeway sends a message to this ship on the other side and it's got their location and instructions on how to communicate and wouldn't you know it, they get a message back, everyone's pumped. Yeah. They're responding right away. Yeah, but it's like that bad cell phone connection thing where you're like talking, but you hear your own voice coming back at you and it like sure circuits your brain and you like can't process the language that's coming out of your own head.
Starting point is 00:15:36 Jane was like, I like how that captain sounds. A strong authority figure with a heart of gold. I cannot wait to meet in person. I wonder what she's doing with her hair this season. Boost the amplitude on both the hair and that other captain's voice. I love her take when they realize that they are not going to be able to punch through when she'd like throws her hair. Yeah. This is a very expressive Kate Mulgrue episode throughout in a way that I really enjoyed.
Starting point is 00:16:09 I think she, she really nails the feeling that you would have like, oh god, we have so little time, let's make this work because they have like 16 minutes left by the time they've reconfigured, whatever they need to reconfigure. Yeah, the problem is what they're flushing down this pipe. They need something stronger. Yeah, the signals is what they're fleshing down this pipe. They need something stronger. Yeah, the signals degrading and the idea of a holographic signal comes up. That wouldn't degrade if you sent it over this long of a distance.
Starting point is 00:16:33 Not at all. And what's the risk? You're just sending the dock over there. Yeah. Am I making any sense here? Who gives a shit? He wouldn't mind. And I love this scene, right?
Starting point is 00:16:43 Because BLT basically kidnaps the doc and takes him to the lab. And he's briefed so quickly. Yeah. He has less than a minute to decide whether or not to go on this mission. There are so many 90s movies where like a scientist gets home from the university where they work and then like the feds are knocking on their door and like 30 seconds later they're in a Chinook approaching the alien landing site, being briefed or whatever, and that kind of felt like how the doctor gets press gangged into this mission. It's like your life will be in danger, you may never come back. But the thing we get if this works is contact with the a-quad and we would really like to do that. So what do you say?
Starting point is 00:17:24 There's coffee in that interlinked frequency. Good luck, doctor. The tension in this scene is coming from so many different areas and some of them I feel like aren't intentional. It's a great scene for the doc because it's hero shit. Like he doesn't know if he's coming back but he knows the significance of the mission. So he chooses to go but also no one tells him what to say. And we know the doc to be kind of an awkward person,
Starting point is 00:17:49 and that's putting it mildly. Like, he's awkward around people. So making him your representative to send this message without giving him any sort of coaching, I thought was an aspect to this scene that was baked in, but totally like unregarded. Yeah, I mean, it's just that he knows more than any of the other holographic characters we've gotten to know. Like you couldn't send side slung guy.
Starting point is 00:18:13 You couldn't send Leonardo da Vinci on this mission. How confused would you be if you're that ship over there? And LDV comes through the pipe. You know what? That may be a federation ship out in the D-clod, but based on what they sent us through the network. We don't want them back. Yeah. Should we report this?
Starting point is 00:18:35 No. Better forgotten about, it seems like. Yeah. Objection noted, we'll do this without you, do it. Get to do it. Get to do it. Objection noted, we'll do this without you. Get to. Get to it. Get to it. Objection noted, we'll do this without you. Do it.
Starting point is 00:18:47 Get to it. Get to it. Go ahead. The doc is pretty quickly disassembled on the pad of the astrometric slab and appears in a strange six bay that we've never seen before. Yeah. It's an empty six bay. It's that of Starship Prometheus and the AQA.
Starting point is 00:19:07 The doc appears to be alone. He's walking around the six bay. He's asking anyone to respond to him. Sick Bay calling anybody. No one does. He ends up talking to the computer. And I love this bit of business here with the camera moves because we're walking around with the doc and Seeing no one until we see the body on the ground and this is a really fun reveal Yeah, yeah, I thought it was funny that they didn't play this for like a freak out moment It's not a jump scare. No, like you see the body kind of like Incidentally in the frame before he finds like a phaser burn and then a different body?
Starting point is 00:19:47 Yeah, it's really subtle. It's nice. Everybody on this ship is dead. He finds one person that's like not quite and is trying to bring him back, but it only works long enough for this guy to wheeze out that Romulans have taken over the ship. This is what happens when you stay at your post, Ben. Yeah. When everybody else runs, get hamburger all over your face. Hey, when everyone else runs, maybe you should run.
Starting point is 00:20:13 This is the lesson I'm learning from Star Trek. Unless you wanna be taken to the bridge for some reason instead of six Bay. Speaking of the bridge, we get our first shot of Judson Scott. Ray Shields and prepare to fire phasers. He is the Romulan in command of this commando squad that have taken Starship Prometheus. He cuts a rakeish figure in the middle of this bridge, doesn't he?
Starting point is 00:20:37 He really does. And most Romulans have their bangs super straight across. His kind of come down in this like widow's peak configuration. He looks great. They really read Romulan, but it's also the slightly different look than we've gotten from a lot of the others. And how about this bridge, too? It looks very different from most other Starfleet bridges we've seen.
Starting point is 00:20:59 I know. Like one, Loki, one of the most impressive things about this episode is how many sets they built to do it. How cool they are. I read that there remains some argument about what set this is for this bridge. Some people believe it to be the motion picture enterprise bridge. Whoa. And other people believe it to be the Enterprise E movie bridge. But if there were either of those,
Starting point is 00:21:26 it would be totally recarpeted and painted in this eggshell color, right? Yeah, and like if it's the E bridge, they built it up a ton. Like they had to put like risers in to make it work in the 4.3 aspect ratio of television. I thought it was strange as hell that, you know, I hate research, fuck that.
Starting point is 00:21:47 Like that there was no consensus on what set this was. Yeah. I really couldn't figure it out. Has nobody come forward from the set design department? I'm looking at the camera right now, Ben. If you know what bridge set this is, come forward. Yeah. There is no reward for this information.
Starting point is 00:22:06 No. It's just that inquiring minds want to know. Yeah, that should be reward enough. Where did it come from? Where did you guys get this cool set? Did you build it from scratch? Surely you didn't. It really looks like a bridge set that is going to show dirty boots, you know, fingerprints.
Starting point is 00:22:25 It looks like the house of your parents' friends that was like really nice, like too nice to play in. Yeah, yeah. You don't want to play in that house. You're gonna get that kid in trouble. When I was about like 11, our dog ran away and we went out to this guy's house who specialized in making lost pet posters
Starting point is 00:22:44 and we got like the stack of posters from him at his house and we walked in and in retrospect I'm guessing this was a gay gentleman, but as an 11 year old I just took in his house which had like polished marble floors and white furniture and white rugs and everything and it was just like amazed. I'd never seen a house that looked like that. And my mom muttered under her breath, this guy doesn't have kids. That is such a law and order character. The guy who designs lost pet signs. Yeah, turned out he was the one that took the dog in the first place.
Starting point is 00:23:20 Yep. What? That was my suspect number one. There's bangers getting dropped on this ship Yep, what that was my suspect number one There's bangers getting dropped on this ship and there's a dill soul class starship in pursuit. Oh, I love this scene so much You know how much I love a dill soul. Yeah, I looked up the ships registry the USS Bon Choune Which is a many people's favorite part of Korean meal. Yeah. I love that stuff. You know what they need?
Starting point is 00:23:48 Is they need way more ponchoons out in space to bring the ship out of warp? Yeah, right. Because you always have to stand in line because they're just aren't enough ponchoons. Yeah. So yeah, this is all happening while the doctor is down in 6-B, kind of banging his head
Starting point is 00:24:05 against the wall because he can't get much information out of the computer. He can't use comms. Everything is locked out. Everything is like above his clearance level. When he's asking the computer about what kind of ship this even is, he doesn't have clearance for that. What can you show me at my clearance level? It's very frustrating. is he doesn't have clearance for that. What can you show me at my clearance level?
Starting point is 00:24:25 It's very frustrating. He's asking about some of the tactical data on this ship, which he wants to know what this multi-vector assault mode that's referred to in the owner's manual is all about. And the computer won't give it up, but the episode sure will. This is like, we all had the Star Trek the Next Generation technical manual, and we all remember the picture of the saucer section landing on the service of a planet
Starting point is 00:24:51 You're like, what would that ever look like? What would that even be? And it took years for us to finally see that in Star Trek generations in this episode It's asked and answered scene to scene here. I know, it's amazing. Multi-vector assault mode looks like a ship breaking into three pieces. And this is, the Prometheus is a ship with four nacelles. Yeah. So in the star drive section, the star drive section splits into two pieces that have two nacelles each.
Starting point is 00:25:19 And then the shovel section also has some sort of engine attached to it. And it whips around and all three of these pieces fire on the Del Sol class. And this sequence is so weird for how truncated it is, right? Because we see it being damaged, but we don't see it fall out of warp or explode or whatever. Yeah. You only know that the danger is over by the ROMs, like looking over at the injured guy in the back and taking him to six bay. Right. There's no report of what befell this del soul. We have to hope that it wasn't destroyed, but we don't know. God, I hope so. Do not destroy a del soul. Yeah. Our first interaction with the EMH and these ROMs is when one guy who got singed by an exploding computer panel gets brought down to the
Starting point is 00:26:06 6 Bay by another ROM and he has to play it cool, play it like he's the EMH for this ship that's supposed to be there and he is happy to treat any patient that darkens his door. No matter whether they're an invading army or not. Great moment for the doctor here, I think. Great scene. Yeah. This guy is in pretty bad shape, though. His diagnosis is an operation.
Starting point is 00:26:32 And he's like, well, Navali, you're welcome to watch if that's what you're into. And she's like, nah, nothing. Report to me when you're finished. Yeah. She's like, I'm not into that kind of television programming. Yeah. Yeah, she's like I'm not into that kind of television programming. Yeah, I don't watch Dr. Pimple Popper or my 600 pound life or any of that crap and he's like, man, this guy is really singed. Did he happen to stay at his post?
Starting point is 00:26:55 That's really going around on this ship. I Love how Contextually you understand why the doctor is better at lying his way around six Bay than he is getting close to a woman's heart, you know? Like this is job stuff and he's good at his job. Yeah. Of course, that's my function. Kicks ass.
Starting point is 00:27:15 Yeah. The doc needs some help for this procedure and so he calls upon the Prometheus EMH. And pretty surprising who appears here. Yeah. Sex past and comedy legend. Andy Dick. I have itchy red welts on my buttocks. It's kind of wild bit like of the cast members of News Radio. Andy Dick is probably the one with the third worst
Starting point is 00:27:47 outcome from that show behind a beloved cast member who died. And Joe Rogan. On any other show, he would be the tops. Joe Rogan is at least stupendously galactically wealthy. Right. And that did. Despite being a laughing stock and total joke to every single person not in the group that listens to his show. Right, right. But a version of Andy Dick here that I found really interesting.
Starting point is 00:28:17 Yes, yes, yes. You're the Mark I EMH, BDI's, terrible bedside man, or I recognize you. Yeah, so he is the Mark II of the EMH and he is immediately kind of dragging the Mark I for being an inferior, earlier model, which is pretty funny. I thought Mark I might be a fun thing to start calling the EMH.
Starting point is 00:28:41 I was like, Mark, that's a good name. Oh, hi Mark. Oh yeah, you could see that. I was calling the Mark to the emergency medical dick. Which was fun for me. Yeah. One of the things I read about Andy Dick being cast in this episode was that he really had no familiarity with Star Trek at all. And I think that is apparent watching his performance. Like there's an animation to him physically that is surprising.
Starting point is 00:29:19 And it starts here. Like the physicality of his acting as the EMH here is bizarre. Right. And it, it's a part of the comedy that runs through this episode is not just what he says, how he says it and his relationship to the mark one, but just how he moves. It's such an unstart track performance. It doesn't feel like it's a, it's a take on a TOS performance. It doesn't feel like it's a take on a TNG performance. It doesn't feel like it's a take on a TOS performance. It doesn't feel like it's a take on a TNG performance. It doesn't feel like it's a take on anything. It feels so unique and strange.
Starting point is 00:29:50 Yeah. And he gets so much space to move around in too. Like, I think that that's another aspect of this is that these sets are really big. And he is a very physical performer. And the camera goes wide and lets him like weird around a lot Which is pretty unusual to watch given that there's a dude with a brain injury like laying motionless And that room somewhere that we don't see potentially listening right to them have this conversation Yeah, I got to hope that that guy is truly
Starting point is 00:30:23 Unconscious at this point. Yeah. So they have an argument that Involves a lot of like EMH mark to turning himself off and EMH mark one turning him back on now what I need your help This is early during the dominion war pre the Romulans entering the conflict right which is an interesting Man, I feel like it was so long ago that we were reviewing those episodes of deep space nine Romulans entering the conflict, which is an interesting, man, I feel like it was so long ago that we were reviewing those episodes of Deep Space Nine, but I guess this was airing right alongside those.
Starting point is 00:30:52 It's true, yeah. Someone's really enjoying it on that watch through that is in Stargate Order. Yeah. I also found it kind of funny that the Mark II seems to be sort of squeamish and weird about disease. Yeah. This ship is so new.
Starting point is 00:31:08 He hasn't even been dusted off as a physician. At this like roasted Romulan on the slab is like, he's like, uh, I want to touch that. Their relationship is so unusual, the Mark I and the Mark II. You really need this kind of pattern to work, because this is what you're hanging the entire episode on. Yeah. the Mark one and the Mark two. You really need this kind of pattern to work because this is what you're hanging the entire episode on.
Starting point is 00:31:28 Yeah, so the image is like, okay, well, I'll just do the medical crap then, but I don't know what any of these tools are. This stuff is very foreign to me. The doc gets his hollow nuts absolutely smashed by grabbing cone instead of triangle or something. It's the cone shape device. Hand it to me, please.
Starting point is 00:31:50 Come on, Doc. That's not going to fit in that hood. The doc is trying to make the case that retaking the ship is something that they should do. And Andy Dix-Hallow character seems very resistant to the idea, both according to the rules that he's aware of and according to his own sense of his own ability. I'm a doctor, not a commando. Yeah, this is not in his program
Starting point is 00:32:15 and they'd better just wait this out according to regulations. And we know that's not really a workable plan for the EMH because since he came here, they have left this sphere of influence of that satellite that the Prometheus happened to be flying near. And the only way he's going to get back to Voyager is by getting back close to that by convincing whoever is in control of the ship to fly that direction. So he needs to retake the ship for personal existential reasons.
Starting point is 00:32:46 And yet, very little is ever voiced to that end, I thought. You know, like if that is a thrust to the Doc's motivations here, he sure doesn't say it. Yeah. I mean, would he like being in the A-Quad better than he likes being on Voyager? I don't really feel like his character has a want in that respect. Yeah, and maybe that's why we don't hear him say it. Maybe he doesn't care about being anywhere. Yeah, maybe he doesn't give any fucks at all. I mean, I'm pretty sure he doesn't want to be on a ship that's been taken over by Rams,
Starting point is 00:33:23 who are driving the ship towards Romulan space where it's going to be deconstruct ship that's been taken over by ROMs, who are driving the ship towards Romulan space where it's going to be deconstructed or whatever. Yeah, that seems. Taken apart and studied. That seems like a real worst case scenario for this away mission. Back on Voyager, everyone on the bridge is just waiting for anything. Any word at all to come back from the dock. What love for the phone to ring, but it's not.
Starting point is 00:33:44 Janeway has a stack of letters to send if they get a chance, including to Tom Mervyn's. Yeah. God, what do you say to Tom Mervyn's after this long? I've been unfaithful with another man's bathtub. I thought you might like to see the many hairstyles I've had over the years. Perhaps you have a favorite. Maybe in 10 years you'll be able to get a message back to me and let me know what you think. Sounds great. This is a fun moment because
Starting point is 00:34:13 everyone's in the same boat, right? Yeah, I was kind of surprised that she divulged the Tom Mervyn's letter to Chico Te. It kind of felt like a bit of a bucket of ice water on a romance that I really shipped before this moment. Didn't like that at all. Neither did Ticote clearly because Ticote has to in the moment be like, oh yeah, I'm also writing a bunch of letters to my wife, which I haven't told you about, and all my girlfriends and so forth. You know, my Canadian wife that I've never brought up. She's, she's great. I really miss her. It's hard to talk about her, really. I mean, so hard to describe. She's so unique in every way. I guess you could say she's got a greatest. And you got your head all the way up it.
Starting point is 00:35:06 This false hope though, is familiar to everybody. We've been through this before. People are reluctant to put much of this out on Maine, but there it is. Everyone's waiting what gives. You know what else sucks is the situation down in Six Bay. It's not going great without a doc there. And Tom Parris is getting called down by
Starting point is 00:35:26 Nielix who is very concerned to have some customers who have eaten his food and gotten quite ill from it. This is a nightmare for any chef, home or professional. The Yelp reviews on Nielix's restaurant are gonna start to really take a nose dive after this incident. I love this angle to Nelix's character. While everyone else is writing letters that they want sent home to loved ones, Nelix is like,
Starting point is 00:35:57 man, if we ever get back to Earth, I'm gonna need a fucking job. Yeah. And I better learn how to make the earth dishes that people crave. If I want to work at Cisco's, I better have a chili recipe that really slaps. I better learn how to pronounce Jalapeno, for example. What did you make of the musical score in that moment, inflected with some South of the border flavors. I'm gonna use a few less geloppinos.
Starting point is 00:36:32 I don't know if you watched this with the closed captioning on, but the very fun spelling of geloppinos in there. Is it spelled like, like, busted car, like gelapinoes? I think it was like chill upino. Wow. Yeah, it was delightful. Yeah, this is very much smells like the crisis that Nielix had when they got to the Neckrit expanse because this was the bounds of his knowledge
Starting point is 00:37:02 of this part of space and he was worried he was gonna be useless. Nielix he was worried he was going to be useless. He looks always worried he's going to become useless. Hey, Nielix, where was the chili back then? Outside the necrotic spants. Yeah, don't be nice. This is a nightmare for Paris, though. If all he's doing is a food poisoning case at the Six Bay.
Starting point is 00:37:20 Yeah, it must smell awful in there. Why did you feed them anyway? I know this probably is going to fly under the radar of most people. Not a greatest generation viewer, certainly. What's up with Paris's fluffy hair in the scene? He looks like a guy who's been spending a lot of time in bed. You know? No, it did seem extra fluffy. Maybe it was the influence of Andy Dick being on set that week. Who also has some pretty fluffy hair in this episode. Sure does. You know what?
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Starting point is 00:40:17 He's actually bragging to EMH Mark Dick about having free reign on Voyager, because the Prometheus has been built with hollow projectors all throughout. So, Mark Dick can go wherever he wants and assumes Mark I can find his six bay, but it doesn't know about the 29th century tech. There's kind of a hollow measuring contest happening throughout this episode between them.
Starting point is 00:40:41 Speaking of measuring, as the Mark I goes through some of his bona fides, he like lists off like time travel and away missions and all kinds of accomplishments, including boning down. And we learn that canonically he has added a dick to his program. I'd even had sexual relations. Sex. I've watched this moment over and over again and I was like, there is no way that it could be interpreted any other way, right? No. There isn't. There isn't any other interpretation to this. That is what that means. The doc has a dick. The doc has a dog. He
Starting point is 00:41:16 added it himself. Yeah. He got to specify parameters and everything. He got to decide what seven of nine looked like and he got to make himself a dick. What the fuck? The image Mark dick asks for him to transfer those program files to him before they part ways. I'm a Persian. And I wondered if that meant that the other EMH would have an identical dick. Or is there like a dick building part of the software like when you start Skyrim and you design your character? Yeah, this ain't Skyrim has got that part to the character builder.
Starting point is 00:41:56 Longer, longer, longer. Yeah, that part was a little more ambiguous. The what exactly was Andy Dick asking for there? Yeah. I mean, that's sort of what Andy Dick relied on for years. It's true. Plausible deniability. The dock is kind of the boss here, the Mark I dock, I mean. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:23 Because he gives Andy Dick the canisters of nerve gas and send them into the Jeffries tube nearby. It seems like all six Bayes have a Jeffries tube, right? It seems like it. Yeah. To duck into an emergency situation. Your journey begins here. If there are borders coming through the door, you go out the Jeffries tube. Sure do. But Mark I need to turn on the ventilation to complete this plan. And that's going to involve going in front of these roms. So they are really taking a big risk to put this plan into action. But on the bridge the doc carries that same kind of confidence he had when he was visited in the six bay earlier. Yeah. Like he's there to do a job. He's there to make some observations.
Starting point is 00:43:03 Like he's there to do a job, he's there to make some observations. Everyone there has been exposed to a virus, he says. And Captain Judson Scott kind of allows him to go about his business, because everything kind of seems on the up and up. We learn in this scene that their plan is to give this ship to the Talshiar, not to the Romulan military. And who knows what kind of nasty hijinks that the tell she are would get up to if they had a ship like this. I love how our perspective stays with the doc here
Starting point is 00:43:29 for this conversation, right? Yeah. You're really with him. It's a pretty long, uncut shot that just kind of pans with him around the bridge. And eventually he's in the foreground and Judson Scott's in the background and Judson Scott is on to him.
Starting point is 00:43:42 Yeah. It's hard to imagine what sort of danger he'd be in. We don't find out until later. Right now we come back to Voyager 6 Bay where Paris is wrapping it up with the last food poisoning patient. Yeah. Next time, order the chicken salad. He's finally got the last customer out of the store.
Starting point is 00:44:02 Yeah. That's a good feeling. Time to turn the sign around, lock the front door. Yeah. Maybe sweep up a little bit. Kim walks in after hours. This is fun, right? Once the shop's closed,
Starting point is 00:44:14 you have your buddies come in, shoot the shit. And how long has the AMH been away at this point? Because this is Paris, like I am desperate for you to get somebody else to do six Bay in my place. It seems like it's been a couple hours max, right? I mean, the Paris has been doing nothing but steady fecal samples all day though, right? Like, he's sick of it.
Starting point is 00:44:39 Yeah. And he dumps on Kim for this. I am a pilot, Harry, not a doctor. He wants Kim to design a replacement EMH, and Kim is like, are you fucking nuts? Like, that's really hard. That guy Zimmerman is like one of the best hollow designers in Starfleet.
Starting point is 00:44:55 I'm those Zimmerman. The only part of the EMH I've ever designed was the dick, and that was after the tack. Asked me to do it a couple of months ago. He asked me to base it on the best dick on the ship. So naturally, I used my own. He was in my quarters when he asked me, and I wanted to figure out what he was going for,
Starting point is 00:45:14 and he gestured toward my clarinet. And we both were the wordlessly understood what he was going for. His strange bell-shaped penis, two and a half feet long, with a wooden read. It's the only dick in the fleet that's right at home in a chlesmer band. Is this what an episode of the Delta Flyers is like? Yeah. Just this energy between Kim and Paris.
Starting point is 00:45:47 Yeah, I hope so. I hope so. Down the Astrometrics Lab, BLT is working with Seven and she is trying to make Seven understand what is unpleasant about working with her. And I thought that this was kind of a nice way of talking about what it's like to be a board without it ever having gotten specifically into Jerry Ryan saying a line like as a board blah blah blah which I feel like they've done so much of. But like you really understand that like social graces aren't a thing that you need to have when you live in a collective
Starting point is 00:46:21 conscience. And so like all of this shit is new to her. Like, like, please, and thank you are concepts that are slowly coming online. Right. And BLT is fairly direct like you would expect, right? She's not doing that post therapy suggestion of like, this is how this makes me feel, like not making it a... An attack. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:48 She's not about that at all, and it's some pretty tough love, I think. Your rude. I am rude. Yeah. It sucks that you're never nice to anyone. Yeah. But the session gets interrupted by an incoming transmission from a bane. Who's like,
Starting point is 00:47:08 I've noticed you're using my network. And I demand the queue stop. You merely adopted my network. It's mine to begin with. And then this dude just straight up turns off the link. Yeah. That was considered of them to get on the blow or though, you know? Yeah. They'd be chasing this problem down for hours.
Starting point is 00:47:30 Right. They've been on somebody else's cellular network using their minutes and they didn't realize it. They thought that this thing was abandoned, but it turns out it's not. Turns out there is somebody home. And this is really bad news because not only is the EMH out of range of this comms array, but they're not even allowed to use it now. It sucks so bad.
Starting point is 00:47:53 And it's like a situation that the doc doesn't even know about, which I think is an interesting wrinkle, right? Because if the doc knew there would be greater stress on his end, but he's just acting as if he's got to get the permeatiest back to that point in space where they can talk. Yeah. He doesn't know that opportunity has been taken away. All he knows is that he needs to get through
Starting point is 00:48:12 this interrogation. And Judson Scott is threatening him with some pretty nasty stuff, but it's not like he has the ChronoWorks computer where he can actually inflict pain on the doctor. Yeah, the doc's been tortured before. It's not gonna be that bad this time. Yeah. He's like doing that insane. I've been through way worse torture subject laugh. Like you think you can hurt me? You can't hurt shit!
Starting point is 00:48:41 Jetson Scott's not gonna be able to do a lot after the gas starts blowing in through the ventilation system. Saved by the gas, nice work. Mark Dick. Unfortunately, Mark Dick used the VX poison gas. He-M-H Mark II had to improvise. Inspiration. And the effects are pretty grotesque. Yeah, it's really nasty stuff.
Starting point is 00:49:04 We watch people's faces melt away. Every single one of these roms is gonna live out the rest of their life in a beeping chair, most likely, if at all. Pretty grisly. Didn't think emergency medical dick had a dittim. But they are like celebrating this great success. They did it.
Starting point is 00:49:21 Yeah, so now all they gotta do is get up to the bridge and turn the ship around because it's heading toward Romulan space and get it pointed back toward that array so that they can make contact with the Voyager. It's going to be great. Until they realize that there are only four people in the universe that can fly this ship, uh-oh. And they ain't two of them.
Starting point is 00:49:43 No, definitely not. And I love that the solution to a ship on autopilot heading to the Romulan border is for the dock to just cram a stick into the spokes of the ship. It's a little trick, I saw Mr. Parris two months. Because this thing drops out of warp in a fairly violent manner. Yeah, he's messing around with the controls. Mark Dick reveals himself to be a bit of a nook freak. And it's stressful because they like stop the shit, but then there's alarm bells
Starting point is 00:50:14 and it sounds like the warp core is going critical. And then once they solve for warp core, they've got Romulans inbound, you know, two steps forward, 10 steps back kind of a thing. Yeah. I know you don't want to do it. Perfect black, make it yourself. I'm trying to help you see this as an opportunity to grow.
Starting point is 00:50:32 Make it yourself. Back on Voyager, the captain is attempting to talk some sense into this hero-gen guy, and he's like, I could have since talked into it. Get off this line. This is a protected line. You do not have my permission to use the network. You do have my permission to die. And then he starts wrapping? Yeah, it's really weird. Well, while I have you here, I do have some new lyrics.
Starting point is 00:51:04 Chop the beat. Well, while I have you here, I do have some new lyrics. Drop the beat Yeah, the captain can't convince this guy like hey like if we could just complete the one call Then we'll leave your thing alone, he's really not working with them. He doesn't even want to hear her pitch of like, hey, maybe we could help you, like something we could, something we could trade for a little time on the network. Like, like treat this like an internet cafe, where you just, you know,
Starting point is 00:51:38 plunk down 20 on the counter, and you can do whatever you want back there in the booth. And he's like, you're just gonna use this to look at weird parts. Here's what I'll offer. I will break your captain's back over my knee. And of offer. Seven sends some war-flightening down the line to this guy and knocks him out. She says it's not enough to kill him. We'll have to take her word for it.
Starting point is 00:52:13 It was a mild shock. He will recover. And when he does? This might be my favorite Janeway react of the entire series so far. The look on her face when she realizes what happened and that she can't really do anything about it. Like she can't even discipline seven of nine for this. Yeah. It's like a, we'll have to like get some vegetable broth and sit in my office and talk about like when to use lethal force and when not to at a later time. But right now this is kind of an emergency. I think the magic trick of the scene is that BLT is on board with the method. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:49 If BLT gestured to seven at Janeway and was like, do you see what I'm working with here? When the warflightening hit Bane, I said nothing. Yeah. But that's going to be me next. Yeah. She sends warflightening at everybody. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:04 In six bay, Harry is ready to fire up the replacement hologram and it starts in sort of an inert state. It's just the doc, but staring blankly off into the distance and their idea is like, now we'll just load all of the knowledge of the Starfleet medical computer into this guy and, you know, pull the string and see what happens. How hard of an acting challenge do you think this is for Robert Ricardo to be a still and eyes wide open as he is in this moment because the camera's on him for quite a while. I was really impressed with how still he was.
Starting point is 00:53:41 Yeah, he did a good job. It's got to be like one of those things that like shouldn't be exhausting, but super is. Yeah. Yeah, I wonder how many takes you get out of a person doing this before you just can't do it. Before you're Judson Scotting. Yeah, it doesn't work. They just dump software into him too fast as what happened.
Starting point is 00:54:01 Yeah. You shouldn't use a funnel. All you can do is read transcripts of Grey's Anatomy's episode. You don't get to call me a whore. Yeah, which is like a heartfelt monologue that sounds like someone's diary entry, but then it like, then right after that, there's like a dramatic hospital scene. But that hospital scene isn't really about like fixing someone's medical trauma as much as it is like about an interpersonal conflict that you aren't really clear
Starting point is 00:54:28 Like what the connection is until much later in the episode. Yeah, and then there's another diary entry at the very end Yeah, that's what he's reading. Yeah, they did make him much dreamier. Right. I will say that's true They can't shut it off though. That's the annoying part. No. He just keeps talking and talking. Yeah. They have to let it overload and doesn't seem like Paris is going to get the reprieve he's been looking for. Harry Kim leaves him with a copy of the contents of the software and walks out of there. He's so sad about this. Yeah. I don't know if I've ever seen Paris this sad. He's very devastating. I don't like it. He just wants to fly starships with his friends. Yeah. This isn't what he's been meant to do. No.
Starting point is 00:55:11 The worst. So in space around the Prometheus, all of these Romulan Warbirds pull in and the two doctors are sitting on the bridge trying their dandas to either run away or mount a fight or at least put the shields up. Brace them. I don't know what they're doing. I can't. There are so many controls. It's been a long time, Ben, since we've seen this model of Romulan Warbird on screen,
Starting point is 00:55:39 and I really, really love it. Yeah. Like, these old Dederidx-class ships, Ben been made me wonder if that's in the running for baby names. Dederidx. Hmm. Dederidx. I'll have to float that one by my life. I think that's a cool last name that you should consider. Yeah, I won't tell her what the derivation is. Please don't. She's gonna find out later.
Starting point is 00:56:01 It's a Yiddish name. I'm pretty sure. I just like the way it sounds. Yeah. Yeah. Andy Dick is getting more Andy Dick by the second. Yeah. In this scene, which is really like when I thought about it, more of a Martin Short impression than anything else.
Starting point is 00:56:18 Ooh, yeah. He's animated in that kind of Martin Short energy. Yeah, they get a hail from one of the Romulan vessels. And I really like to mark one's stab at doing a Romulan answering, like he's trying to represent as one of the crewmen that came over with Commander Judson Scott. And, you know, they start asking questions that he's not going to be able to answer and you know start asking to see visuals of the bridge and he's like yeah we got to go. He's got that energy
Starting point is 00:56:54 of a kid calling their school like acting like their parent calling his their kid out sick you know. their kid out sick, you know? Right on his very sick and can't come to class today. Yeah, it's a real like Abe Roman energy. He's bringing to the call. Yeah. So the Romulans start shooting at them, and then they're like, oh crap, more ships are coming, and this is Federation ships.
Starting point is 00:57:19 And the Federation ships are shooting at them too. Yeah. They can't let this fight all piece of material fall into Romulan hands. This is a really tasty space battle scene. And I was thinking about it, like, did I want to see more of the Dell Soul battle if it meant seeing less of this?
Starting point is 00:57:37 I had got to believe that someone had to make a really tough decision. Yeah. With how much energy and money you give to a space battle scene. And I mean, it's no wonder they gave more of it to this. Yeah, because this is two defiant class ships in it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:53 It's a very exciting battle and it includes a lot of mishaps on behalf of the doctors who like led a torpedo go and it hits one of the defiant class ships. It wasn't my fault. Well, then whose fault was it, the torpedoes? They don't really know what they're doing, but then like one of them accidentally sits on the panel that starts the ship's separation sequence and they're able to destroy a warbird or two
Starting point is 00:58:17 and tilt the battle in their favor and also convince the star fleets that they're not a threat. When the Andy Dick Hollow initiates a three-way, things get a lot easier for everyone involved because the computer is like, hey, where do you want the missiles to go? And all you have to do is tell the computer where they're going. Yeah. It really helps them out. It's really easy. Yeah. Turns out, four people in the Federation know how to fly this shit, but really everybody knows how to fly this ship Sure great success, Ben. Yeah, the good guys win a couple of Starfleet security guys with rifles beam over and are surprised to find a couple of
Starting point is 00:58:57 E's MH on the bridge right and in very short order the MHHS back on the Voyager. Yeah, we don't see any sort of conclusion to that part of the story, right? We don't. We just elliptically cut back to Voyager. It is just a, hey, I'm back, everything is good. He appears very slowly in the Six Bay. It takes a while for his image to kind of resolve.
Starting point is 00:59:24 And the report from the front is really interesting and surprisingly emotional. Yeah. I wanted you to know you're no longer alone. Yeah, and this is the reason I'm glad we didn't see his side of this interaction because it's so much more satisfying to experience the report being given to Janeway and Chico Te. Yeah, really is. It's such a relief for Janeway to hear that word of their still being alive has made it
Starting point is 00:59:55 to Starfleet command and their families and everything. I mean, that part comes after the doc tells Jane way that her dog is dead and Tom Irvings has moved on with a new wife. Which is a real gut punch. Kind of a ton of shit dumped on Janeway's head here before finally going like, yeah, but work wise, the work stuff is good. Yeah. Starfleet wants us to know that we're not alone out here,
Starting point is 01:00:22 but boy, not much of a home life to return to Captain. I'm sorry. They did say that Tom Mervins and his new wife were opening the relationship up for a while, but it started lead to a lot of conflict. And so they closed it back down. Right. And so like nobody at command really thinks you have a shot with him at this point. Oh, and also to Cote, we gave all your letters to the recipients you had written down,
Starting point is 01:00:49 but it was all returned to sender as if they didn't exist. So not really sure what was going on there. Make these people up or... I mean, it's weird when you addressed your note to Canadian girlfriend. It was always ever going to be sent back. Yeah. Chico days like, well, what did you say about the whole Mucky? We're part of the crew now thing. And the images like, yeah, they were really mad about that and I have ordered Janeway to put you guys off the ship. You guys got to find your own way home, according to command.
Starting point is 01:01:20 That is a great call. Like the response is you're not alone and also as soon as you get home, you're under arrest. So just a slack jaw shock from Chico Te into credits as we end this episode. Did you like it, Ben? There are three instruments about being a stash of cat. Get through, get through, get through, get through, get through, get through it, get through it, get through it. I really like this episode. I mean, I think that, like, a lot of TV shows that use actors that we then found out
Starting point is 01:01:59 a million horrible things about, it does feel a little bit weird to watch. Correct. Yeah. But setting the many alleged crimes of Andy Dickicide, hashtag team love it. I do really like this episode. And I like the bravery of having it actually impact the story. Like that first episode where they broadcast through the wormhole to the ROM and then it turned out he was in a different time period and couldn't even hope to get words to Starfleet ever. That was a good episode but it didn't feel like it
Starting point is 01:02:40 changed anything about what is going to be happening with the show going forward and this really does feel like it is bold enough to change the conditions of the show like now the people at home know that they're out there and are working from there and to try and find a way to help them speed up the process. Yeah, I was really surprised by that too like I got the feeling through 90% of the episode that this was just another ham and cheese start track episode. That was silly and fun, but boy, the button really hits hard. Yeah. In a way I wasn't expecting. And what are we? We're over halfway through this series. Yeah, we're just over the halfway mark. It's time to start thinking about, you know, the expectations of the end of this thing. And this is when I'm starting to,
Starting point is 01:03:31 with an ending like this. I also really thought the Prometheus as a place is just too great of a set to use only once. Like, I know. I'm blown away by the resources used in an episode like this to the extent that I'm like, this isn't the last time we're going to be on this ship or a ship like it, right? That just seems impossible to me. I wonder if the decision to make it as lily white as it was was based on that, like this
Starting point is 01:04:00 won't get the kind of hard use that a standing Voyager set gets. So we can make the materials all lighter and more like stuff that would be a fucking nightmare to maintain if we're using it week after week. Whereas if it's a one off, it can just look really like pristine and brand new and and future a really anachronistic color scheme, I would say, right? Like because this ship's mission is deep space assault or something. Like this is a worship. Yeah. And it's as beige as it gets on the inside.
Starting point is 01:04:36 It's got that pleasure barge TNG 1701 D energy to it. Yeah, really does. Interesting look. Yeah. I hope we see it again. I hope we see something in our P1 inbox. one D energy to it. Yeah, really does. Interesting look. Yeah. I hope we see it again. I hope we see something in our P1 inbox, Adam. You want to go check that out?
Starting point is 01:04:51 Oh, Ben, I'm in there. And the text is painted egg shell. I can barely read it. Oh, man. Yeah, we'll have to squint. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Need a supplement on. supplement need a supplement on that. A supplement? A supplement.
Starting point is 01:05:07 A supplement. Yeah, it's extra. But the interest alone could be enough to buy this ship. Looks like our first one here is from Carly on Fiber, and it goes to Steve, whose room we wrecked. Goes like this. Hi, Steve. I don't know if you're an FOD, but when I started cleaning up the mess my team
Starting point is 01:05:26 left, you were wearing a Star Trek the Cruise Polo, so I figured this is worth a shot. Apologies for what an absolute clusterfuck my team left when they moved on to the next part of the project. It was so embarrassing that I'm buying you an apology P1. Whoa! Wow! Yeah, I mean, if you are walking around a workplace wearing a Star Trek the Cruise Polo, you can make some assumptions. Decent chance that that person is a friend of DeSoto?
Starting point is 01:05:56 Or maybe come one someday? Carly certainly is. Maybe Steve will hear this years from now, and you know, try to remember what room did a person named Carly rec of mine. Hey Carly, you're not off the hook here. What do you do and leave and mess this for other people to clean up? Well, I don't think it was her team that left a mess. Oh, maybe this is under the bus throwing that Carly is doing.
Starting point is 01:06:21 It's not Carly certainly. Carly is a great FOD. Yeah. They would never.ly, certainly. Carly is a great FOD. Yeah, they would never. They would never. Wow, well, I hope this makes it to Steve. And if it makes Steve a friend of the Soto, even better. Steve, right in.
Starting point is 01:06:35 Let us know if this reaches you or not. Yeah. And let us know the condition of your room, also. Yeah, yeah, what happened? What even happened? Ben, our next priority one when messages from Scott of Detroit The messages to Terry the interruptor of Atlanta Hmm the message goes like this
Starting point is 01:06:56 Myriad Miriam RIP RSVP Borg Borg's Enterprise entrepreneur sick bay six bay Machi Mayquise, Whole, Hurl, Umbridge, Uxbridge, Uxbridge, Apply directly to the Umbridge, Uxbridge, Apply directly to the Umbridge. That's our whole greatest generation, the Sorus right there. Yeah, that was a rich taxonomy of terminologies that we use on the show. Was there somebody at the Atlanta show that like didn't understand why we were misusing words? Well, I'm wondering if this is directed at it. And then Terry became a problem in that crowd?
Starting point is 01:07:42 Yeah, I can't remember. You were pretty fucked up that show. Yeah, well, we had hecklers at almost every show. Right. Let's say, a couple of people that then took to the internet and were mad that we told them to stop talking during the show that people paid to see. Oh, I don't remember seeing any of that.
Starting point is 01:08:03 Those people are wrong. That was mostly on the Reddit. Yeah, I I mean that doesn't surprise me at all like people that went home from the show and were like fuck Ben and Adam there's such assholes I came to the show and I was contributing and then they told me to be quiet that is a very reddit perspective to have hey here's a tip for the the redditors out there who don't fucking get it. If you bought a ticket to a thing You're there to see the thing not to be the thing. Yeah, enjoy. Yeah fun. Right enjoy it. Yeah Wow
Starting point is 01:08:36 Gonna fire it up about this Yeah, don't worry about it, buddy. It's all in the past. I don't read the reddit Yeah, and you're better for it. Your mood has been immensely improved since you stopped reading the Reddit. I just get the minutes from you. Yeah, I just tell you about a bad thing that happened over there every so often. Thanks. And if people want to get a priority one message, it couldn't be simpler. Even a redditor could figure it out. Ha ha ha. You got a maximum fun.org slash jembo tron. You set it up to $100 for a personal message and 200 for a commercial message.
Starting point is 01:09:13 And it helps keep the lights on around here. It really is your support. Good. Get the hell out of here. Hey, Ben. What's that, Adam? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? Get rid of him. a drunk Shimoda? Incredible.
Starting point is 01:09:25 Drunk Shimoda! I did. I'm going to give it to a rogian guy. I just think it is very funny that this guy wears this crazy helmet and the face mask and the armor and is super angry. And yet his job is telephone operator. I just laughed and laughed as I thought about the fact
Starting point is 01:09:47 that he just sits there all day, monitoring telephone communications with a helmet on. Chill out, man. Maybe it's a place with a lot of exposed duct work overhead. Like, you don't wanna balk yourself on any pipes or anything. They used to use a lot of asbestos in the hero-gen part of space and, you know, he just pays to be careful. Now I have to breathe through this device.
Starting point is 01:10:16 Ben, it is so hard for me to pick against Andy Dick. Yeah. And his EMH character for my Shimoda, I think I gotta make it him. Wow. Wow. What a bizarre performance. But ultimately a performance I was there for,
Starting point is 01:10:34 like really stood out. Wow, so you approve of Andy Dick? What the fuck? As being separate from what we're used to on Star Trek in a useful way. Yeah. That's how I'll put that. That's how I'll put that in a way that a redditor can't possibly weaponize against me. Hmm. But can a Twitter person? You'd have to write something pretty bizarre to get through all my muted words and phrases. Well Adam, I'm going to head to
Starting point is 01:11:06 goch.biz slash game, but first I'm going to tell you about season 4 episode 15 Hunters. The Voyager crew face a new threat from a violent species of hunters called the Herogen. Hey they're back. Some people would say I'd never left. Yeah, no kidding. Seems like they really liked this guy when they introduced him. So why not just keep him in the mix? You know the Bane from this episode was Tiny Ron.
Starting point is 01:11:41 Yeah, wow. May her do. Well, Tiny Ron loves getting drunk at him, but uh, over at the game of buttholes, if I will if the caretaker, it looks like we only have one opportunity to do that based on where our runabout is. We're on square 31. You're required to learn as you play, Role. You can either hit a Delta flyer, which would take us up to a measure of a man square,
Starting point is 01:12:08 or we could hit a Nielix's Galley, which would be a champagne episode. But, uh, otherwise just normal episode, and I'm going to go ahead and roll this bone. I rolled a one! Tula! Did I win? Hardly. To run square 32, regular old episode next week. Geez.
Starting point is 01:12:30 All right. Inching along. Yeah. As you do. Regular rep. Yeah. The good kind. Yeah, that's the best kind, really.
Starting point is 01:12:40 I'm not wiggling out of a normal lip. A way. That's a kind I'm going to show out of a normal lip. No way. That's a kind I'm gonna show up for. Wow, prepared and ready. Okay, all right. Well, I sure appreciate everybody that supports this show. I know Adam does too.
Starting point is 01:12:56 I do. The folks that go to maximumfun.org slash join and set up a monthly support level. It's painless for you. It makes a big difference for us. We really appreciate it. We got to think Wendy Priti, our producer, who is keeping everything organized,
Starting point is 01:13:13 keeping us on task, keeping episodes scheduled and locked and loaded, especially during my family leave. So the fact that you're getting this on time and we were able to record it ahead of time is all due to her hard work. We really really appreciate her. Just as we appreciate the maestro of the music. True. That you hear on the show. What you're hearing right now is made by Dark Materia, a person who granted his permission to use the Picard song, but the theme and interstitial music throughout the greatest gen, Oove, made by the great Adam
Starting point is 01:13:50 Rgucia, can find him on YouTube and on your podcast, your choice. He's a busy bee. He is. He's a very busy man, but we love him a ton and we really appreciate him. Also busy, he's the great Bill Tilly, who runs our social media accounts at greatest track on Instagram and Twitter. Go follow those accounts, come on! What are you doing?
Starting point is 01:14:14 Bill's about to get married. I was just going to say, Bill is getting married next week, which makes this week a great time to find him on the social media and tell him how much you appreciate what he does. Yeah. Give him a hardy congratulations on some happy nuptials and wedded bliss. Yeah. Well, that's a great long list. Oh, we got to think Nick Dittmore, who made the show art for this show and helps us with our store, go over to Pod Shop.
Starting point is 01:14:46 I'm just a bunch of merch, why don't you? That helps get Nick Payne. It's all there. And with that, we will be back at you next week with another great episode of Star Trek Voyager and an episode of the greatest generation Voyager that a lot of people would describe as hack because we just spend the entire time doing a pain in process.
Starting point is 01:15:05 I've a one I'm very happy with the return of pain. Maybe I'll be back also. I haven't done this one in a while and yet it comes so naturally to me. It's sort of a gravely nixon. You do your brain immersion and I'll show these people a Star Trek series about hope. We keep making greatest generation because friends of Friends at a soda can take it. Got it, got it. Maximumfun.org. Comedy and Culture.
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