The Greatest Generation - Emotionally Vulnerable for the Lulz (DS9 S4E4)

Episode Date: March 18, 2019

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I'm Adam Pryanaka. Adam, I thought we could maybe do a segment. A segment that's a fairly new one and one that I really enjoy talking to you about. It's a segment about how we have been poisoned by this show for normal life and we are always trying our dumb bits on other people and generally failing when we do that. Moment Adam, I have a couple of these written down. I don't know which one to start with, but I'll tell you about this one the other day I mentioned before I think that I went to the dentist recently and I had so many cavities in They said like in three of the four quadrants of my mouth. I have cavities. So oh no. Yeah, yeah, like I had They they went for the really bad one

And I was like well why don't you just take care of all of it today So that I don't have to like sit and worry about the next time I have to come in and they they said If we numb your mouth up enough to do all three quadrants you will literally bite your tongue off So you're gonna have to come back. Whoa. And I have, there's one joke in my life that, you know, the scene in Roger Rabbit where Judge Doom knows that he can get Roger out of the, out of the hiding place by doing shave in a haircut. Like I have that level of compulsion with this joke.

I was like finished with getting my tooth drilled and I had to go up to the front desk to make my appointment for a couple of weeks from now to get the other two cavities taken care of. The lady at the dentist office suggests a time of 230. Oh God. And like, I'm Roger Rabbit. I can't let that dangle and I was like, perfect. That's no, no better time to go to the dentist, right? All I do is bits, bits, bits. No matter what. Blank stare. She's just like it meant nothing to her. It was like a character in Westworld.

That doesn't sound like anything to me. Why else do you get into the dentistry game? If not for that. I know. The world is your joke oyster, if you work at a dentist, especially if you work in scheduling at a dentist's office. The way I see it, the scheduler is mullerly obligated to laugh at that joke. All I do is...

It's it, it's it. No matter what. Wow, I'm the only person in the world that mullerly obligated whatever we're gonna. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Yeah. So, as if, you know, just to add insult to injury, I was already in a great deal of pain

that day and then I tried my favorite dentist's office, 230 joke. While my tooth was actually hurting and I got nothing. Oof, I'm sorry, man, I hope sharing that gives you some comfort. Do you have anything you need to get off your chest? I recently went back to the restaurant that you and I went to the last time you were up here. There's a great restaurant and so you know, it'll call it June Baby. Great restaurant. And it's not a place I go to a lot because it's a place that's very hard to get into.

They're super booked. And so I was pretty jazzed to have made a reservation there a few days ago. And my wife and I went and you know you check in at the check in booth as you do in most restaurants of this kind. And when I was approached by the host, I mentioned that I had a 745 appointment. And the react shot was just like the head tilt, the head tilt that I was expecting for having mis-spoken in that way.

And I was like, I know this isn't a medical procedure, but it could be. All I do is it. It's it's it. No matter what. And it was like your interaction, Ben, I got nothing. Like I'm talking to myself. Yeah.

Like they weren't even there. Yeah. Having worked in a restaurant only briefly, I know that the folks that work the hosting table probably hear everything. Yeah. Yeah. So this couldn't have been the first time, right? Yeah. I mean, like I was on the other side of this equation when I worked at a restaurant. Like I was the guy that thought he was fucking hilarious as a bus boy going, you want me to box that up for you while I was picking up some somebody's plate that they'd eaten clean.

Yeah. Like, which should come as a surprise to nobody. But I imagine like if you've worked at a restaurant long enough to be at the at the host table, like every bit is hack. And especially like if you're working at a popular restaurant, right? You're often disappointing people with the amount of wait time that there is. And so I'm sure like

a sense of humor is not something you necessarily want to go into that job with. Okay, I have one more bit that I tried out in public that did not go well at them. Do you want to hear it? Yeah, lay it on me. Okay, so a couple of weekends ago, a close friend of my wife is a fine artist and she's primarily a painter but she had designed like a dance performance around a new series of paintings. So we had invites to go to this like art opening that was also a performance. It was really cool performance, and we really had a great time, but it was in a part of town that artists can still afford to rent spaces, kind of area.

It's a Skid Row. It wasn't like Dicey, but it was definitely industrial, and definitely not a super well lit part of town, pulling in and parking after dark. We were like, where is this? Where are we going? And we get to the address that was listed. And it appears to be like a boarded up storefront,

but then there's like an alleyway that we could see like some light down at the end of. And so we we hazarded to walk down this alleyway to see if this was where it was. And it turned out it was. It was like there was like a house behind this row of stores. And the art opening was actually in the boarded up storefront. But they had just like they'd put like plywood in the windows and painted it white to make it just like a contiguous part of the gallery. But it was just like a very like I was a little uneasy. I wasn't sure if we were safe or you know,

I didn't really know where we were and And then we're back there and it's just like a bunch of artists and dancers getting ready for the dance performance and other people that are there to attend. So it was chill, but like we walked into the gallery space and they were kind of setting up and it was clear that they kind of needed the room clear and we went outside and so in this alley somebody had one of those 55 gallon oil drums with the lid pulled off, and they were like burning scrap wood in the oil drum, like that scene with Frank Stallone in Rocky. Right.

And so like we were standing around, like, you know, people were drinking beers and stuff, we were just standing around this like oil drum fire and I and I Didn't know anybody there other than my wife and I just turned to the group and I said Anybody want to do a little harmonizing? Oh, I do it. It's it's it's and this guy This guy is like walking some more scrap wood over to yeah, yeah Yeah

Let's go it walks over to put a few more pieces of scrap wood in the drum and just he makes eye contact direct eye contact With me and says oh you I think it would be a funny bit to do a little singing Oh shit and says, oh, you think it would be a funny bit to do a little singing. Oh, shit. Just fucking ripped me apart right in front of everybody. Like, we talked a lot about this before, Ben. The biggest weapon against a bit is just describing the bit that just happened back at the bit person. Boy, I have never had the door slammed

on my dick that hard before. Wow. It was insane. Wow. Yeah. Like and like I think that I can acknowledge that it was like probably a hack bit like the restaurant host person whose jobedist to disappoint people. If you're an artist that routinely has openings at your event space

and one of the things that you're into is burning broken up frames from paintings that didn't go well in a 55-gallon oil drum, you've probably had people come up to you and try the take you back, Frank's alone, harmonizing bit a million times. But I didn't know that guy, you know? I didn't know if he was there as an attendee, or if he owned the place, or what, you know? Good for you for not hitting back. I don't know that I would have been able to resist

being a fucking asshole to that person in response. Well, you know me, Adam, everything feels like my fault to me, no matter what. Yeah. Wow. You didn't even think about kicking over his burn barrel. Yeah. I did not. I managed to resist all of the temptation that he had given me.

The halibut that you brought for the potluck, you just lower into the flames. Enjoy this popery, asshole. Wow. Eventually we'll tell a bit story that has a happy ending, but Yeah, one where it actually worked. Yeah, three real crushers there. Would you have tried that bit, Adam?

Like, is your filter good enough to like tell you not to let that kind of crack, leave your mouth in a situation like that? I am... Here's the thing, like I am self-conscious enough about my rocky fandom that I wouldn't just let that sleep in mixed co-opinase. So I probably would've kept that to myself, to be honest. Wow.

Oh, that's really interesting. Yeah. I didn't even think of the rocky fandom aspect of it. I mean, you and have have so shamed me on our hip podcast friendly fire for my for my stated interest in Sylvester Stallone films that yeah that anymore I can't really betray my true feelings in that way. Even for a bit. Well my face is very red and I would like to talk about something anything else. Do you want to get into the episode we came here to discuss today?

Let's do it, Ben. Let's do it. It's a season four of Star Trek Deep Space Nine and episode four. It's called indiscretion. Do you realize how incredible this seems? No, of course you don't. And it's the first episode directed by Lovar Burton. Really, I did not notice that. Bullshit, man.

Bullshit. Or the first Deep Space 9 episode directed by Lovar Burton. And Ben, this brings together a kind of, I mean, I've talked about conflict rhombuses before, but there is sort of an amazing racial rhombus in play here, which is Deep Space Nine is a show now with two Blacklead characters. This episode is directed by a Black director who himself was a significant trailblazer for representation on television. And it's a show that often depicts a black family unit and now is depicting a black romantic

relationship. It feels historical here. Yeah. I mean, with Jordy and Worf on TNG, that was at least a fragment of that situation was in a play, but this is taking it to a whole nother level. And I think that's a great point. It feels like that slot machine in Vegas that doesn't have like three things, and that's like six things.

And we've hit like six things on this episode. There was a recent episode of the Flapp House, where Elliot Caelin was talking about the film, Can You Ever Forgive Me, the Melissa McCarthy film that came out last year. And one thing that he said that really stuck in my head was that like the characters are gay, but it's not a movie about the characters' gayness. It's about a thing that they experience

and that they are gay as incidental to their experience as that another character from film being straight would be. And I think that that's something that's kind of interesting to observe about deep face nine at this point is that like it is not self-consciously trying to point it all the black characters and like make a big deal out of that. It's just they happen to be black and that's an aspect of their character and an aspect of their character that's being honored, but it's not the main thing about them. It's not being called attention to and hey, look at this kind of way. Right, and it's not,

they're not being collapsed into that as being like their primary character trait. It is an aspect of their characters. Right, right. This is going to, I mean, for all of that being stated, this is an episode that is primarily about Kira. Yeah.

But an episode that does delve back into some race issues that this show has explored before, which is the idea of Cardassian and Bedurren romance. But I don't want to get too far ahead of myself. Wurf has gotten a big promotion to be the telephone operator on the station. Major, you have an incoming transmission from a Roscoe car. Persistent, loud, ringy telephone. The solution, answering machine. Believe it or not, I'm not home. This is that guy that played finger plugs with data, right?

It sure is, Ben. It's a Kourami. Yeah. He's a Kourami of the Cal milking game. He's a real Star Trek that guy. I think he was also on an episode of Star Trek Enterprise, not to mention Total Recall. He's really great. Yeah, he's a lot of fun.

In this episode, it couldn't be more different from Colourami. He's got kind of like, hasher haircut, male pattern baldness. And he's kind of a, kind of a, bejorin outlaw slash scrapper. You know? Yeah. He's like, he works in the Star Trek universe in a place that you and I have often talked about

wanting to know more about as a scrapper. We love wrecking yard guy and TNG, we love scrappy yard guy here. Yeah, you know the family and making a murderer. He kind of feels like he's cut from a similar cloth to them, but for space. Yeah, we'll put unclear if there is a Brandon Dassy figure hanging around the periphery here. We should mention that Rasket Karnas played by Roy Brocksmith. He deserves to be named by name. He's one of the greats. Yeah. So his FaceTime is all about a piece of scrap metal that he bought that is from a missing Cardassian spaceship, the Ravinock, which disappeared

at some point in the past. And we are made to understand that Kira has been quite curious to find out what ever befell the Ravinock because she had a friend aboard. The Ravinock is not to be confused with the comedy end of World Concept created by John Hodgman. That is something different. Or the Thor movie that came out a couple years ago. Thor Ravinock, not a thing. Don't search for it on Netflix.

It's not on there. Right. Taitika Y.T.D. had nothing to do with Thor Revanak. Hahaha. Did you know that Netflix took down Hodgman's stand-up special because they didn't want people to watch it accidentally when they were trying to watch Thor Ragnarok? No.

I heard him talking about that on a podcast. That is crazy. Wait, are you fucking serious? I thought you were just, I thought that was a bit, really? No, that's a real thing I know I'm always doing bits, but right now I'm telling you a thing I heard Hajman say on one of uh on a podcast that that's pretty shitty yeah, I know that's a great stand-up special It is

Yeah, I saw him do I saw that live and then I love that I've been fortunate enough to see a couple of touring stand-ups do their Netflix special live and then see it later on Netflix and that was one of them. That's really fun. Yeah. Kira has like her customary what's going on W. Slash R. Slash T crime meetings with Odo later and he notices that she's a little distracted. Outside the window, Warf is like, Hey, can I join?

I see a spare seat in there, you guys. I put on the phone calls to voicemail. I'm actually very free. Don't call us to voicemail! And I'm actually very free! LAUGHTER LAUGHTER Odo kind of reads Kira here. She comes from reading.

Reading came first. You know that she's obsessed with finding the Raffanac, and you know that what she's going to do is go find this guy in the in the Badlands. It doesn't matter if I think there are any survivors, or even if you think there are any survivors you are going to go looking for that ship and all I can say is good luck. She initially tries to get Rask a current to bring this piece to Deep Space 9 and he says he can't come out

in the open right now so she's gonna have to come find him. The story with the Ravanaugh is that it's a ship that disappeared six years ago and it's been sort of a hobby horse for Kira ever since. Do you think she's like one of those people that goes on our slash Reddit Bureau of Investigations and tries to solve cold cases in her free time? I kind of feel that way because Odo intamates that this isn't the first goose that that she's chased with respect to the Ravanaugh and he respects it in a really interesting way to like he doesn't make fun of her Unlike he did with Worf What Worf was trying to do security right when Gears rise to do it It's quite encouraging Worf's the butt of everyone's jokes So Gears getting ready to go and Cisco comes down and he's like, hey, you actually have to like hang out for a second because

we're gonna attach a Cardassian officer to this mission because the Cardassians heard about what you're gonna do and being that it's a Cardassian ship that had Cardassian military aboard like they get to do this from you know, and like diplomatically it's the right move this show usually from, you know, and like diplomatically, it's the right move. This show usually displays impeccable scene cut hygiene from scene to scene. This is one of the only instances that I can remember where we cut from a scene that cis goes in directly to another scene that cis goes in. Because from here we cut to the docking ring with Cisco and DAX talking. Yeah, that's a, that is a bit confusing. I mean, it's one of those things where you have to like, it's a cognitive speed bump. You have to go like, oh, this must just be later.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, you've got to understand as a viewer that this is a jump in time, but you know, so often a show won't even attempt this for that reason. Yeah, right. Or you throw like a couple of shots of people walking around on the promenade or like cut to exterior of the station and then cut back in, you know, just to show some passage of time and it's the reason that we use interstitials on this show. Same concept. But I always wondered why we use this. Yeah. Passage of time. The show takes six hours to record, Ben. We cut so much out. I always wondered why we used this. Yeah, passage of time. The show takes six hours to record been. We cut so much out. I know. You know, if you think the stuff we leave in is bad. Cisco and DAX are talking about Cassidy Yates in the docking ring. Yeah. And, uh, Totally. They're getting, uh, pretty hot and heavy.

Hot and heavy? You said hot and heavy? Yeah. We're given this image of Cisco as a very private person, but he's not. He's not because of his behavior contradicts that at every turn. He's very willing to discuss these matters with his friends. I feel like you should know by now not to have conversations like the one he has with

Cassidy in front of DAX. Right. Because DAX has demonstrated herself on many occasions not to be trusted with shit like this, because she is always going to push you to be like more emotionally vulnerable for the lulls. Right. Yeah. The thing they're talking about is that Cassidy Yates has applied for the lulls. Right. Yeah. The thing they're talking about is that Cassidy Yates has applied for the

Bajorn Ministry of Commerce job, which is a job that would make living on the station and working in the quadrant possible. So all those long, long trips that she used to take, where she'd be gone for months and months at a time, would, would come to an end. She'd be a local. She'd be a local and that would put her in near constant proximity to Ben Sisko and he does not exactly have a poker face when this idea is laid at his feet. He is very obviously intimidated by the potential of that. So Cassidy H. Gox out and it's like,

great, well, I got the interview coming up, looking forward to it and Dax turns to Cisco and basically giggles that she's found out that Cassidy H is serious about Ben. Ben Cisco's suffering is amusing to Dax, clearly. It always has been. Yeah. Yeah.

Back at Ops, ahead of Kira's trip, the... The Shaperone is about to be aboard and request to be beamed directly to Ops. And who is the last person you think Kira wants to see in this moment? The person that brings their timpani drum along with them, it's Galdu Kot! Yeah, you never bring a drum on an away mission, Ben. You don't want to do it.

Everybody knows that. It's like giving your friends kids a musical instrument as a gift. It's a real fuck you, isn't it? So we get a very long two-person scene, just a dialogue scene between Ducat and Kyra as they head out for the Badlands. It's kind of, you know, Kyra got stuck next to a chatty person on a transcontinental flake. Hello there.

Are you two heading for Las Vegas? And Ducat, I mean, we've seen two cot in these circumstances before. He doesn't really get the hint. Part of this falls it cares for you a little bit because shit, like the first beat of this scene is her kind of laying out ground rules. Like this is my mission. I mean, command, you're gonna have to kind of do what I say.

And those, those feel like ground rules that you might have wanted to lay down before you left the station. Yeah. You know, like I don't know that I go on a two person road trip like this without kind of getting a sense of how much buy-in I have on ground rules before departing. Right. The scene introduces a conflict right away because the thing that they are both chasing is personal to them for different reasons because the Ravanaugh was under DuCott's command and that is the way that he is choosing at this moment in time to present his personal relationship to

the mission. And Lauret Akrams, is that how you pronounce that? I think it probably is. Lord Ackrom is the associate of Kira, and that's the man who recruited Kira into the Shikar resistance cell that she had such a good haircut for back in the day. So, and so she ever wants that haircut again.

She's gonna have to find Lord Ackrom. Lord Ackrom. I see. I mean, and then she's gonna have to go through Acrum. Lord Acrum. I see. I mean, and then she's gonna have to go through that awkward phase where she grows it out. And it's kind of like a weird middle length that doesn't look like anything.

Right. Right. Right. Right. It's like called back the greatest discovery. Like, yeah, like when you're trying to grow ash Tyler Locke's and you just quit. Yeah, you punch out like two weeks away from being long enough.

Yeah. One awkward moment in the scene is, do Cot makes a case that the bejorans are better off having been at war with the Cardassians? Lee. It's a weird scene. He's saying like bejoran steel was hardened in the crucible of the Cardassian occupation. Yeah. I don't think Kira is ready to accept this. No, it's a terrible, it's a terrible observation.

It's very like colonial, showfidizum character moment for DuCott. And I think that it is in keeping with his character. I agree. Like as disgusting as this sentiment is, I think it's totally appropriate for him to have aired it. Yeah, he goes from being merely a chatty seatmate on a transcontinent, I don't like to like the seatmate that wants to tell you about something they read in a Glenn Beck book. Boy, speaking of things that should probably be phrased differently, there is a dinner going on in Cisco's quarters between Cassidy and Ben Sisko,

where Cassidy shares she gets the job, which should be great news. But what Ben Sisko says is a little less than enthusiastic. He's got that big step energy. Yeah. Because, yeah, again, he cannot, he cannot conceal his misgivings about this new situation. And this is a real thing that happens in relationships like an economic force or some other external force like hastens the progression of moments in a way that makes one or the other

or both partners uncomfortable. It's like what happens when the seduction catches the car, right? There's like that real moment of truth where you need to transition from that into whatever happens next. I just get horny for things. I just love the chase. Give me that chase. You wanna know how I got these scars?

Oh, God. Holy shit, man. The argument where one person isn't as enthusiastic as the other person is about a thing is a thing that I vibe with. Like you just don't recognize when you walk into this, I'm not going to say trap because that's not what it is, but like that moment where your perception of a thing is different from the thing, different from the other persons and how hurtful that can be when you're

not in alignment. It is an incredibly real and real feeling moment in this episode. And it really had me squirming in my seat a couple of times just for like how realistic this feels. And like so many times in dramatic television, like things could be sorted out if the characters just talked about it. Like if you just said what was on your mind, and this is an example of that,

but it's actually a good example of that, because it's hard to be emotionally vulnerable with somebody, especially when you care as much about them, as Cisco obviously does about Cassidy. He bites his tongue in this moment because he doesn't wanna fuck this up. And in biting his tongue, he fucks this up. Yeah. I-

Been there, done that. Absolutely, yeah. It's actually a T-shirt available in the Max Fun Store now. No, just kidding. I think it's great. Yeah. Yeah, pretty rough.

And she blows him off like she leaves. She leaves their catfish dinner. It looks like, what do you think they're eating? Looks like a fried piece of fish. I was thinking it was like, Ville Milanes or something like that. You think they're having Ville Milanes on a weeknight? Yeah, man.

That shit is delicious. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty good. You can do it with chicken though and it doesn't involve killing a baby cow. And it's still pretty good. You can do it with chicken though, and it doesn't involve killing a baby cow. And it's still pretty good. Right. I do like, I do like a fried cutlet. Yeah, but like if you pound out like a chicken thigh,

you get real close to that. You do. And it doesn't feel as bad. It feels good to pound cutlet, doesn't it? Ha ha ha ha ha. To be quite honest about it, I was in a pale, I'm fucking in pain. Mr. Bucket, I have to revert to better turn my head state. cutlet, doesn't it? The runabout shows up in the badlands where Kira is meeting up with her buddy Raskha who has a big bent up piece of metal for her and do cut pretty quickly verifies that it's a piece of cartassian hardware.

Why didn't you tell me you were bringing him along? But this is just the first clue because Raskakar and bought it from a Ferengi and he actually paid the Ferengi's crew off to tell him just exactly where he made the salvage. It was in orbit of planet Dizoria. I really love Raska in this scene. He's sort of like if Han Solo were played by Wayne Knight instead of you know. Like he's got all the gravitas of Han Solo but like, come on it's Raska. but like, come on, it's Raska. Yeah, Princess Leia says, I love you and it cuts back to Raska going, uh-uh-uh, you didn't say the magic word.

Yeah, he's pretty great. He's got big newman energy here. Dessoria, we've got Dessoria here. See nobody cares. Yeah, this is a moment of inflection in the episode because when DuCat waves his dry quarter over it He confirms the suspicion that this is a part from the ship they're looking for and Raskas says that the rest of those parts Could very well be on disorder and it's just it's just a trip away in the run about Yeah, so like in pretty short order, Kira and Tukat are like running around on sand dunes.

Yeah. A really like super exotic location for Star Trek, I feel like really fun and there's like a great big wrecked starships set in the sand dunes. There's a visual language here. I'm sure that you got right away Ben, which is like exposure below out frequently means hot, right? Like they're on a hot planet and you can tell because all the whites are very blown out in all of these scenes. There's still much to move back to Massachusetts. I was born in Brooklyn. On top of that visual language, like they are always walking on an uncomfortable angle in these scenes, and that just serves to like really ratchet up the tension between the

two characters. I noticed that they went handheld in a lot of scenes that would usually be locked off, like the two shots of them just talking to each other, they're moving, they're moving subtly, but like they're not stable in a way that makes you feel uncomfortable with these characters. You never feel settled when the camera's floating like that. It's because the tripod's sinking, Ben.

Yeah, well, I think probably also, with our Burton makes it intentional choices like this to ratchet that tension up. Yeah, I know. I was joking. Oh, that dude was it! Bits, bits! No matter what! I mean, they find the crash ship on Dessoria

and a circle of 12 graves, which is far fewer than the ship's compliments. So it seems like a real, I mean, they're finding breadcrumbs here. They're not finding what they came to look for. No, they got to keep looking around. And Kira comes up with a plan of using like the ship's computer to see what's going on. They have a little argument actually, because DCat wants to go through the graves by himself because of deeply held

funeral right convictions that he has and So he kind of talks here into giving him some time and space and she says she'll be able to identify any Bejorins among the bunch by their jewellery, their ear jewellery. I love how differently they approach this, because I mean, there are Cardassians and bejorins buried in the circle of 12. And what we find out later is that like, Ducat has dug up bejorin bodies and removed their earrings, like their ear jewelry. And I guess like, like,

like, Tukat makes the case that like, our cultures have different views on like, the vessel of a body and it's importance after death. But still like, he's been robing around in those, in those burial plots and it's fine. Yeah. What was that red stuff? Was that guts? Or was it like robes from like a bejure and religious figure? I felt like they were implied guts, but they wouldn't be red if they were guts, right? They would be like much more desiccated.

Yeah. Yeah. I couldn't, I couldn't figure that out. No. But anyways, the guy that Kira is looking for is not among them, but perhaps more startlingly. We come to understand that somebody that DuCat was looking for is among them.

This is a lady that he had a romantic entanglement with when he was the head of the occupation of Bejor. But this woman was Bajorin. Right. Yeah. To cut out a side piece. He's a married man. And there's some judgment and curious part of like the... like she is even, I think, a little judgmental of women who became involved with Cardassians, like Bajorin women who became involved with Cardassians during the occupation, like Bajoran women who became involved with Kardashians during the occupation

because you know they were I guess in bed with the enemy from her perspective. Yeah like Kira plays this as kind of a consort vibe and Ducat disabuses her of this right away. He's like we were in love you know now. It was different. Yeah. So they head off to see if they can track down the survivors because there's a few dozen people that would have survived this thing, given the number of graves. And they actually have something to go on because the the Bajoran resistance cell members always had like little transponders embedded in their skin that will leave a detectable trail behind them. Seems like something that would be like kind of bad for Opsack if you don't want the Kardashians to find you, but who knows. It's weird, there sure is an asymmetry in intelligence, right? Like earlier on Kira's,

like I've got all the command codes for the six-year-old computer. That's cool. It's an older code, so I've been a checks out. And then when she shares this knowledge with DuCad, he's like, oh, I had no idea. Good to know That way, let's go. Back on the station, Cisco is having a Hang with Bashir and Dax. Not really sure why you would ask for relationship advice from Bashir, but maybe he was just already hanging out with Dax and Ben needs this information fairly urgently.

You sure? Positive. What do I do about my relationship with Cassidy? How big did I fuck up? Like, I don't even really, like, that's how badly I fucked up. I don't even know how bad it is. And yet, body language wise, Cisco is sitting at the table the way

O'Brien would be cheering dinner with a couple of cardassians. Like, he's basically facing the other way. So it's hard for me to tell how invested he is in their advice at this point. Yeah, they're trying to find out if he's like, like they're really parsing it in the way that you know, friends often do when you're in a relationship and you're trying to

like, you know, a new relationship and you're trying to like puzzle through like what the signs mean. Like the question is, did you say, this is a big step or this is a very big step? Because like, like Cassidy basically announced, like I'm not even gonna go for this job anymore because obviously like it's gonna make you miserable and I can't believe that like I would have,

have even tried for something that was designed to get me closer to you and you throw it back in my face like this. I think what's interesting about this scene is that for all of the conversation that Dax and Bishir have about that statement of its a big step, no one knows at this point whether Ben Cisco wants her to stay actually. I don't even know if he does, because the moment of it is really weighing on him. We get like one little check in from Quark

because he's on this show. I mean, who knows more about women than me? Where he tells Francisco, like, oh yeah, treat her even worse, and then she'll want more gifts from you or whatever. It's like really barely in this episode. It's like, it's gotta be the one of those ones where he's like, really, I gotta put the loaf on for this.

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among those missing may be a daughter that he had with Tura. And so, I mean, the hunt is still very much alive, right? Because And so, I mean, the hunt is still very much alive, right? Because DuCat makes it clear that he needs to find his daughter in order to kill her, and Kira very much wants to prevent this from happening. You don't have to take her back to Cardassia with you. Let me take her to Bejor. They've had some weird bonding at this point. Like, they're camping out overnight in a cave, and Du do cot stick sits down on like an eight inch long needle, which

like, it seems like that would be like a trip ending injury, but instead it's like a belly laugh moment for both of them. Right. And then like that scene kind of turns into, oh, yeah, like, uh, when we find all these people, like, uh, I had a war baby. She, she will be among them as a teenager now, I'm gonna kill her. And it's like the like pendulum swing in this episode

is Kira is horrified to find out that she's gonna have to go on this mission with DuCott to them like actually connecting and bonding a little bit. In a way that like I really felt like, oh this is gonna wind up being about DuCott loving Kira. And then it swings back so hard and so fast when this bomb drops about the idea that he is here to kill an inconvenient offspring of his.

Do you think you could have punched up the episode by not having Duucat share this bit with Kira and having this be a surprise when he finds his daughter later? I kind of think so. Wow. Um, like you have him turn over in his sleeping bag to commercial with a dun dun dun. And you and you can be told that there's something more to Ducat's story without him having to And you can be told that there's something more to to cut story without him having to spill the beans entirely in the scene, I think. Hmm.

I think it's interesting, I mean, I think it's interesting both ways because like, this way we get to see them have kind of a protracted multi-scene long argument about whether that's a good plan or not. And I think that... It gives them something to talk about on the journey. You're right.

It does. I mean, I really see the advantage of what you're talking about in terms of making it a real shock when it actually happens. But I think this was an interesting way to do it also. I have a crucial question to ask you about this scene. If DuCat ran the dermal generator over his butthole, would it close? Like how careful do you need to be with this thing?

Does it close any hole? Wow. I kind of think it does. Like how could it discriminate among holes? To a dermal regenerator, every hole needs to be closed. To a hammer. Yeah. That's where I was going.

Everything looks like a nail. Yep. You could really get into trouble with that thing. Yeah, you could reenact that scene from the matrix where Neo's mouth closes. Yeah, that could be a big problem. The cats never use that thing before. You don't think he's ever taken a dump?

Very funny. I'm talking about using a dermal regenerator. Like I gotcha. It doesn't even know how to turn it on this butthole either So before they find the survivors we get a little scene with Captain Cisco and his son Jake another dinner scene in the Cisco quarters and Jake kind of drops a bunch of knowledge bombs on his dad in this scene.

Like he's been talking over the situation with Cassidy and her new job with his friend Nug and what they put together is that the stakes of this relationship becoming that serious are scary to Cisco because he's worried about bringing women into his life because the last one he brought into his life was killed because of his life and all of the stuff that has been making the prospect of Cassidy becoming a neighbor in addition to a girlfriend terrifying to Captain Cisco. Did Nog convince Jake of this by hitting him repeatedly in the face because did you notice

Srirach Lofton's right eyelid? Looks like it's got a big scab on it. Oh, really? Yeah. Shoot, I didn't notice that. Something's up with him. I tried looking up what had happened, but I couldn't find any mention of it.

Like if he had been injured doing a stunt on another episode or in real life, but yeah, it looked like something was wrong with his eye. Shoot. Maybe he got in a bar fight at Quirks. It could have happened. He and Nag were talking over his dad's relationship problems back to back as they fought off like a crowd of glingons or something. Maybe Jake fell down in Toledo.

But yeah, like this is, you know, kind of a, it's a weird moment, I think, because I think it may have been written with the idea that it is from the mouth of babes kind of moment, except for Jake is like a man now. Right. So it plays a little weird. But um, Jake's Bajoran Bar mitzvah was off the hook. But when he says to Cisco is really real and even more importantly, perhaps he reassures his dad that, you know, Nog knows some of this stuff, but, you know, the business is not out in the streets, necessarily.

Right. This whole idea of the fear of things not working out, being the personal responsibility of one or both people is another element of Cisco's story this episode that feels very real and grounded in what contemporary relationships are like, right? Yeah, absolutely. It's the reason why many friends don't end up in relationships with each other, like romantic relationships, like because this is the risk. Right.

And being like, I think that we react instinctively to risk sometimes in relationships. And it just takes kind of getting called on it to kind of bring it up to conscious level sometimes. And it's a really compelling scene about a thing that is very familiar, and it's really well done. So back on Dizoria, Kira and Ducat have found the survivors. And they're in a brain prison mining camp on Dizoria, Kira and Ducat have found the survivors, and they're in a brine prison

mining camp on Dizoria. There are no stockades. There are no walls. On the surface you die. There's no electronic frontier. Yeah. We're at bridge over the river Kwai for a recent episode of Friendly Fire. Did you notice that that line from Star Trek 6 is a reference to bridge over the river Quai?

I did and I loved it, but I'm also glad we didn't bring it up on that Friendly Fire episode. Well John, what did you just make fun of us? Not right to cross pollinate. Yeah, but the brine have taken these people into custody. I've been hacking into government and corporate systems all over the country. And are using them to mind dilithium, just like Rura Pente. I guess. Yeah, the brain live on a very cold planet, so they have to be in spacesuits on a hot

planet like this one. It really gets you off the hook if you're an alien designer. The brain at this point have not been creature designed, so they need these suits at this point in time. I think this is the only way you ever see Brin is in these suits. Yeah, you're like no, you're like no. So they're trying to come up with a plan and it's like a debate of who's going to keep an eye on this situation while one of them runs back to the shuttle and radios for backup because this is like a compound, right?

They can't just storm this. Right. And it's Ducat that orders Kira to go back to DS9 to get that backup. And that's not something that Kira is willing to do because of Ducat's stated interest in killing his daughter. Yeah. I can't. I don't trust you.

As far as I can throw you, so I'm not leaving you alone with this situation. And so they go it. There's an elliptical edit wherein you don't see DuCat and Kira change into brain air condition spacesuits because that scene would have taken about 40 minutes. Like, there's a lot going on with those brain suits. I feel like it's a really funny smash cut though because like in Star Wars, a new hope has this exact scene, right?

Like they call the stormtroopers up onto the Falcon and then when two stormtroopers walk down the ramp, you understand them to be Luke and Han. That's fun. That's got to be the nod then. I was just too dense to get it. Take over. We've got a bad transplant. I'll see what I can do. It's like even more elliptical version of that. You know that there were some hijinks where they had to attract to bring around a corner and then bonk them on the head. Right. You just have to imagine it, and that's kind of fun. Once they get into the caves, it's a little bit of a firefight. And during that, DuCat squirrels away in order to find his daughter.

But it isn't long before Kira has found them both. And it is DuCat with his gun site on his daughter. And the scene was surprisingly touching, I thought. The actor who plays Toreziel did just a really great job in finding the pathos of her circumstance. And... Yeah, she gets such a short little, I mean, like, I think it's like the 40 minute mark when we finally meet her And she's been very built up in this episode. Yeah, so it's it's pretty wild that she's able to do as much with this moment

As she does, but she really did a great job with this little character. They told me this would happen That you never let me go home But I didn't believe them. She is crucial here because you can't turn Dukai unless you have an amazing performance to do so. And hers qualifies. She's like less scandalized by this than Kira in a weird way. Yeah, Kira who has been relegated to... I mean, she's in the triangle.

Like she's in the John Wu scene of, of gun on one person and then gun on another. Wee! What a predicament! I think it's pretty clear to her early on that, that there's a chance of this being resolved nonviolently. And it's all because of, to Kat's daughter. Right. That's all because of Tukat's daughter. Right, and she's saying, Tukat, you wouldn't have told me about your daughter if you didn't kind of like implicitly want to save her. Right.

You would have just done this quietly at some point while we were rescuing these people if this is what you really wanted. Right. Long live, sweet, long, wanted. Right. More. More. Stay sweet. More. More. Do you hear everybody?

More. Have a time. Fasers are being pointed at children, Adam. DuCott has a big decision to make. But is a phaser powerful enough to shoot through a Cardassian heart? It appears not, or at least not a half Cardassassian heart, because Zial is part pejoran. That's right. And you can-

Just the bridge of her nose. It's the bridge of her nose, but also no blue in the spoon, which I guess either is indicative of its makeup when we see older cardassian women doing it. I guess older and also not enslaved in dilithium mind cardassian women do it. Or you don't get that blue if you're not entirely Cardassian. On dysphoria. There is no stockade. There is no makeup.

You cannot get your hair blown out. Deodorant is forbidden. There are manicures, but there are no pedicures. There are rocks in the sauna, but they are heated electrically, so you're not allowed to pour water over them. Oh, what a shitty sauna. That sounds like. Yeah. I was at a sauna like that one time.

It was doubly annoying because there were rocks that you weren't allowed to pour water on, and then there was like a giant red warning sign right under the rocks saying that. It's like the least relaxing thing to look at in the entire world. Like a warning about severe electrocution or whatever. Yeah, that's how I like to kick back. about severe electrocution or whatever? Yeah, that's how I like to kick back. That's why I keep the hairdryer next to the bathtub. So, Ducat does not kill his daughter. No. Nice of him.

Yeah, they cut back to Kira and she like smiles and shakes her head like I knew it. You little rascal. Yeah. Back on DS9, Cisco wants Cassidyates to take the job. He tells her so in the in the cargo loading area. He takes his hat off and holding it in his in both hands. He walks down to the cargo area. And and and he meoculpus, you know. I owe you an apology. This was a hard thing for him and he kind of talks her through like what he went through emotionally. This is going to learn a valuable lesson in the scene and that is never express pragmatic doubt about a relationship. It's the prenuptial agreement problem, right? Right.

That's what happened here. Yeah. That prenuptial agreement issue might be my favorite thing about all of the real housewives shows, because about once a season, somebody is getting married and a prenupt is the issue of a prenupt is raised on camera between people who are presumably actually getting

married to each other because they actually want to. I love that. It's fucking amazing. It's like the most amazing shit to see on television. The way people react when somebody just tosses that little conversation item into the circle. Wow. I really need to start watching the circle. Wow.

I really need to start watching that show. Yeah. It's good stuff. Ben in this scene sees his job as a threat to Cassidy's life. And that is dug up as the reason for his reluctance about Cassidy taking this job. This discomfort was out of a feeling of protection. He's like, on the one hand, Admiral Hanson is no more, is not an existential threat to all civilian life in the federation.

On the other hand, I'm carrying some trauma from that last incident. And I don't want that horrible outcome to befall you. Admiral Hanson pops up on the viewer in the cargo area. He's like, the relationship does not go well, Enterprise. I told you never to call me here. Nothing but an old band's fantasy. But they patch it up and it's actually pretty funny by the end because she's like, well, I love all this like groveling you're doing, but I got to go to work because of my

new job on Beijor and he's like, you took that job and she says, yeah. Do you think I'd give up a great opportunity just because you got Colfie pretty rad move by her and then also like Cherry on top of the ball kicking machine cake She kiss dodges him Yeah, he goes in for a everything's all right now kiss and she she dodges I have never gotten and everything's all right now, kiss in my entire life. Yeah, I know well enough not to even attempt one. You know that skill it is hot and needs to be allowed to cool before you move it.

I mean, it's hard to move around when you're in the ball-kicking machine. Like leaning over could mean you could fall over. Yeah. So the button on the episode, DAX and Kira are walking down the promenade. Kira is recounting the hilarious incident where Ducat got a giant spike stuck into his ass. I wish I'd been there. And he comes out and he's like,

oh yeah, I'm like me and my daughter are just packing up the station wagon. We're gonna head back to Cardassian, make a go of it. Her being a part of my life. There seems to be an unspoken understanding that they're going to keep in touch about this. Yeah. It comes as a big surprise, right? Because the whole entire reason of him wanting to kill her was that she was politically and socially inconvenient for him. Right. But so much has changed on Cardassia that I guess the math of that is a little bit

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Civilian government and whatnot. Right. Do you think it matters that DuCuts a legged now and maybe has more power over? Is he more legged? Yeah, he's wearing a legged top as opposed to the tap that he's worn previously. Wow. I didn't even realize that. Yeah.

Grats to cut. I mean, it's hard. Do you think that happened right at the same moment that Jake was putting the fourth pip on his dad? I know that was confusing, Ben, because most legates we've seen have big giant beer bellies. Are they can beer bellies. Are they canar bellies? Oh, yeah. They yeah. Are they Yamak bellies? On on Cardassia. Oh boy, that guy's got a hell of a Yamak bell on him. Give me some canara with a Yamak back.

That's how they do it. It sounds gross, but it's actually delicious. Yeah, and that sort of brings to light like what the theme of the episode's been about, right? Doing the honest thing is hard. Yeah. Whether or not you're honest with the people you work with or honest with your society who may have a problem with your half-bejure and half-card assian daughter. For a show that sometimes has A and B stores that

don't have anything to do with each other. Yeah. These two are really talking to each other and they are really well drawn, I think. Yeah. Which leads me to a question, Adam. What's that? Did you like this episode? Yeah, I did. And I think it was for the reasons that you most recently stated, like I like having that connective tissue between A and B here. And it made the transitions between the two not as jarring as they can sometimes be. I think it's a great Kira episode. It feels like it's been a while since we've gotten one that was so focused on her character and pairing her with DuCat, I think, is always fun. Yeah, I agree. And the scene where they're laughing with each other is amazing to me.

Yeah. It really earns a moment where two characters that have just such deep natural antipathy for each other are really drop their guard with each other and have a laugh. And I was like totally drawn into it. I was laughing along with them. I really love that it's not a scene of such catharsis that it fixes their relationship and makes them buddies all of a sudden. Like it's okay to be in conflict with someone and still have that levity. You know, that's what made it, I think, feel so grounded in reality.

I really liked it for that reason. Like it wasn't a quick fix. And I also love that it's like one of those episodes that says like, okay, like we have all of this lore to draw on in Star Trek. Like what could be happening here? And you know, like bringing in the brain, like having like all of these like, it really feels like it uses the universe to its maximum potential to tell this story. Doesn't matter what century you're in.

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Ugh. Wow. Wonder if it goes in that direction, probably not though, right? Yikes. Ben, we're on Square 80. Yeah, we sure are. Of the Game of Buttholes, Will of the Prophet. So, we could hit a card in the Nebula, no notes episode.

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