The Greatest Generation - Finishing Freighters (VOY S5E3)

Episode Date: December 12, 2022

When the crew races to complete Tom’s new hotrod shuttle, BLT is busy fighting her way through a bit of a bum out. But when her holodeck habits get put on blast, facing her losses is the only way to save the Delta Flyer. Could a food item turn Ben & Adam into the new Rush Limbaugh of podcasting? Which captain does Roxann Dawson share a costume with? What’s in the pipeline for Podshop.biz? It’s the episode that does bananas both ways!Support the production of The Greatest Generation.Friends of DeSoto for Democracy.Friends of DeSoto for Justice. Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Caretaker!Music by Adam Ragusea & Dark MateriaFollow The Greatest Generation on Twitter, and discuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen!The Greatest Generation is on Twitch.Facebook group | Subreddit | Discord | WikiSign up for our mailing list!

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you to skip this one. If you're in the US and you're having bad feelings and need somebody to talk to, you can dial 988 anywhere in the country and that'll get you to the suicide and crisis lifeline. And I hope you will. I hope you'll reach out for, one of the U.S. and Borband, and Captain Captain Captain Brington, one of the U.S. and Borband. You are Captain Bacchatt. Welcome to the greatest generation.

It's a Star Trek podcast by a couple of guys. Just a little bit embarrassed about having a Star Trek podcast. I'm Adam Brannica. I'm Ben Harrison. How are you, Ben? All right, buddy. Going to get some new glasses straight after this. You know the music of your voice was like,

here's how it would sound. Boom, boom, boom, boom. Like you got something wrong on the prices, right? Like kind of a sousophone sound. Ha, ha, ha, ha. I don't like that. You know, I'm just having a, I'm having one of those weeks where like I have the normal workload of our show plus all of the stuff of

taking care of the baby. And then like we have to do some work on on the garage to fix all these leaks that happen when it rains. My father was kind enough to drop some plans and we got a contractor to give us an estimate. And there's all this stuff that I need to review, then I'm getting other communications of getting all these emails that I need to review. I got to go pick up new glasses and we're going at a town next week. I'm just like looking at the unimaginably long to-do list and well, everything is going fine.

I do feel the weight of it, you know? I know, man. Not a good feeling. Oh, just wanna have fun with my friends and talk about Star Trek. We also have water intrusion issues at our place. Yeah. How exciting.

It's so visceral. When you live in Seattle, water intrusion is an event. And the dangers associated with it are our myrium, right? For all the obvious reasons. Seattle's a wet environment and water kills houses. And I wonder if you had a different feeling about it when you saw a water coming into your place than I did. I was freaking out and I didn't have nearly as much water

as you got in your place, but like the Seattle in me saw it as a trauma. And I'm still feeling it because the fix is not there yet. And I'm working with a contractor to get our shit figured out. I mean, I don't want to get into a trauma measuring contest with you, but it definitely was. You measure from the roof. It was stressing me out, man. Yeah.

I mean, we had a lot of damage. There were like boxes of like childhood artwork of my wife that was like her mom gave her like all this stuff in like banker's boxes of like stuff from, you know, elementary school and whatnot that. And you stored all that on the roof, huh? Yeah, I don't know why we did that. That was so silly of us

yeah damn in plastic buckets with no lid what were we thinking yeah they're just they're in bankers boxes on the ground and you know but they're indoors so the indoors is not supposed to be wet you You think indoors is going to be safe. Yeah. You think you're wrong. You're fucking wrong. You know what? Many years ago we converted ourselves into a plastic bin lifestyle. Yeah. For all of our storage needs, you know, you go down that, that isle at Costco and you see the big plastic tubs and you think that's a fucking waste.

Like, who would spend $30 on three big plastic tubs? This is the use case for that. Yeah, yeah. I guess I'm gonna have to go to fucking Costco. Yeah. Hey, try not to choke on a hot dog. I'm sure that there's so many plastic tubs that are non-functional in some key way,

and I'll have to return them, and they'll be like, oh, yeah, you did buy those in the store, but you can't return them to a store. You have to return them online, which means you have to pay shipping or some crazy shit, looking crazy company. Their hot dogs are good though.

Exactly. I'll give them that. Here's my advice. Before you go into the Costco, go to the food court first. Don't save it for the end. My wife will let me do it. Like, when we go, I'm like, oh, let me get one of those hot dogs and she's like, no, we're not here. No, you're already ate lunch. She makes good points that prevent me from being able to bring myself. Wait, hey, to do this. Hey, Ben, when did the new feminism turn into wives

telling their partners not to eat a hot dog if that's what would make them happy? I don't think that it's coming from a that stiff. I just wanted to take the hardest defense possible against that. Because I want my friend to have a hot dog. Yeah, I really want that. It was the hot dog that turned us into the new rush limbaugh of Star Trek podcasting. It is such a short hurdle to jump to get to happiness, that $1.50 hot dog.

And it lives with you long after. What about the thing that's like a giant hot pocket? What's that thing? You don't want that. Okay, That's not good. You don't want the chicken bake. It's bad. Chicken bake, right? Yeah. The most like non-appetizing pair of chicken, chicken bake just sounds like nothing. I had exactly one of those in my life and I'll never forget it. I'll never forget not to get one of those. Did you have gastric distress? Because if it was gastric distress, I would say it's not fair of you to count out the chicken bake over that. Because everything gives you gastric distress.

There was a day when the chicken bake used to come with a Caesar dressing dipper. And this is an item that comes with, like it's a dough filled with chicken and Caesar dressing. That's basically what it is. Oh, but you also got cold Caesar dressing to dip. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you get that, you dip that thing in there and you take it to the dome. Sounds good. It felt awful for so long after that. And that's not to say that your mileage won't vary. I'm sure a lot of people really like them. One thing I know

about Costco, if it doesn't sell, it's not on the menu. So like that is a very popular item. I'm sure a lot of people really like them. One thing I know about Costco, if it doesn't sell, it's not on the menu. So, like, that is a very popular item. I'm sure of it. So, did you try to return the chicken back and they threw up a bunch of barriers in your way? Yeah, I tried to connect the chicken bake to my gas line and my electricity, but I didn't realize that I didn't have gas.

I had an electric dryer. So like, I don't know how that mistake happened. I couldn't get it to work in my home. So you're saying it's, it was your fault, is what you're saying? It might have been operator error on the chicken bake. I should have known better. Yeah. Well, anyways, I don't want to talk about Costco anymore. It makes me even sadder. Well, that really backfired Ben. What's it going to take to make you happy? Maybe a base jumping with the holodic safety is turned off. Oh, that is a good pivot because you're feeling a lot. You're feeling a lot of bad. I'm not feeling much of anything at all. Maybe it's time for me to dip into

Star Trek Voyager season five episode three extreme risk Reaver course unless you've got something a little bigger in your torpedo toots. I'm not dreaming about Yes, so this starts on a shuttle mission. And BLT is in this super intense jumping rig. It's like, purplish blue, like, circuit panels all over it. Is that like armor? Do you think?

I guess. I mean, you need something to get through the upper atmosphere at 300,000 meters. Yeah. What about that helmet, man? How do I know you're not making faces up beyond that thing? You remember when everyone made that big deal about the highest free fall ever?

How many years ago was that? Oh, yeah, it was the Red Bull guy, right? You're kind of proving my point here. The lead up to that and the event itself was a big fucking deal. No one remembers that guy. Yeah, I've drank so much red bull since then though. All you do is fall.

Yeah. You have to be willing to fall and then actually fall and that's how you get that record. But I remember the big thing with that was like, if he starts spinning or if his head vibrates too much, it will just snap his head off of his body. And that was one of the things that they were really worried could go wrong.

Yeah, but I mean, death is always on the line with a stunt like that. It almost doesn't matter what form of death it is, right? It's gonna be bad. Yeah, but none of that stuff seems to happen to BLT when she jumps out of this shuttle. She's like in mid-flight when she gets word from the bridge that she needs to report to engineering. And her head is not like violently shaking. It doesn't seem like the vibrate. I guess maybe she's

so high that she hasn't hit the atmosphere yet. That's part of it, right? That's gotta be it, yeah. Yeah. Wow. I read that this uniform was something that Bill Shatner was supposed to wear and a scene that they'd never filmed in Star Trek Generations. Whoa. This was the sort of kicks that Kirk got. Maybe it was something that he liked to do in the Nexus,

or maybe this was just how he was enjoying retirement or whatever. That's a rock climbing gear for geriatrics. Yeah, but kind of shocking that Bill Shatner and Roxanne Dawson can fit into the same suit. The CG version of this also caught my eye when she's like paused mid flight and then like a light on the floor of the holodeck. That's a CG person there. Sure is. That seems like a big deal for this.

Like it's really well done, you know. It's not too bad, yeah. And yeah, so I guess that answers the question. What happens when you're falling in the holiday deck and it gets turned off? Yeah, I mean, you really, as a Star Trek nerd, you've always wanted to see the transition, right? The transition between fall and land on your feet. Yeah. What would happen in that case if you just turned off the program?

This is what happens because we've seen people fall in their butt because the chair, a hologram, disappeared out from under them. Right. This Chico Tay message comes at exactly the wrong time. Yeah. And BLT walks out. Like, it seems like she's going to go to engineering wearing this weird suit. Yeah.

She's marching down there in seven bumps in there and the hallway and is like, what the fuck? Are you wearing something very funny about this take is that when the door opens for seven and she sees BLT, she instantly has a caddy thing to say in less time than it would take anyone to come up with a caddy thing to say about someone who had just walked by. That's the board augmentations working overtime. Yeah, her cutting remarks just work so fast.

Ha, ha, ha, ha. They assimilated Joan Rivers' distinctiveness into their own. I'll give you the same advice I gave to David Carredine. Hang in there. I couldn't quite follow this when we come back from commercial, but there's like a, there's a USS Voyager probe that they've shot. And it gets grabbed by a mail-on ship. Was what confused you how this probe looked?

It feels like we've never seen a probe like this with the ship's name and all that. Yeah, we've never seen a probe like this. And also like they mentioned something about like a board shielding on this probe. Yeah. And that's gonna protect it from a gas giant. The probe is able to get out of the tractor beam

that the mail-ons put on it and go hide in a gas giant. But all of this is just like in media probe. We don't know why it was urgent for BLT to get down to engineering for this stuff that's going on. And we're just following it. And we don't really know what the utility of the probe is either. Like why they're going to such lengths to save this probe is a mystery throughout the episode.

It's never really answered. That's a great point. Yeah. It seems like they are more motivated by competition against the melons than anything. This episode and the melons are a type of culture that I thought we'd never see again. I was delighted that they remain as a going concern. They do. So, yeah, they managed to get this probe to hide itself in a gas giant, but if they're

going to go rescue it, that's going to be another project. And the mail-on ship that was trying to get it follows it into the gas giant and implodes because of how hazardous the atmosphere of this thing is. Because once a gas giant gets you into its atmosphere, you can't break free. Because gas giants are big and the gases are strong. gas giant gets you into its atmosphere. You can't break free.

Because gas giants are big, and the gases are strong. I don't know why the scientists keep making them. This episode of the greatest generation sponsored by gas giant insurance from old Liberty. Later in a McLoughlin group, as you want, Kim kind of gives an after-action report for what happened here. And the probe has buried itself in the lower atmosphere of this gas giant. It's not destroyed.

Yeah. But it's in a place that's very difficult to get. Jordy's mom might be alive down there. There's only one way to find out. Yeah. Mom? It's only one way to find out. Yeah. Mom, BLT shows up late to this meeting and is really not making any friends or influencing people in the way that she's interacting with the group here.

She is not offering any speculation about how they could solve the problem. She is just shutting things down left and right. Yeah. A real Adam at a meeting sort of sensibility. Yes. What BLT has here. No kidding.

And I wondered all through this episode, like, why don't they pause the meeting at this point and ask Sandwich like, what's eating BLT? But in retrospect, we have meetings all the time where you just sit there and stare blankly at us and nobody ever stops and says, Adam, you okay? I try to make sure all my ideas are good and I just don't, I don't say them, I don't say, I don't hypothesize my shit. Yeah, it is, it has been a long time since you've

said a good idea, so. I know. So I just shut the fuck up until I come up with something that's usable Speaking of usable ideas Tom Paris uses this meeting to repitch his new shuttle who this idea and He's come with a PowerPoint deck this time and This is something he's really fired up about and everybody's like, no, not with the new shuttle again, Tom, get outta here! But the PowerPoint is persuasive. Behold the Delta Flyer. It's kind of like a Type II shuttle with an S that he adds at the end and then he draws a line

through the S to make it a dollar sign. Harris having these visual aids really judges up his whole angle. I think up until now you get the sense that this has been something that he's tried to pitch just casually, but nothing says serious like this PowerPoint as you've described. And as Paris talks, we cut over to BLT and her eyes fall to what exactly as he's talking. Because there is a clear, like she's she's seated and Paris is standing and she's looking up at his eyes until her eyes fall to what is belt line or below

before cutting away. I mean, she's just sitting there sad trying to think of things that will make her happy. Oh, yeah, that helps. That might be an idea. Yeah, unclear what their relationship status is at this point. I thought a lot about that in this episode. I mean, Paris is really, this is like an S tier meeting for Paris. He's really come a long way from

am I making any sense here Paris? Because he's thought ahead, like he's like licking up two wax assholes. He's licking seven of nine's assholes. Like everybody's getting compliments in how he has gone about designing this ship. I'm impressed, but how quickly can it be built? Yeah, everyone wants to be involved.

This seems like the ground floor of a very exciting idea. If everyone at this meeting are interested in getting involved, BLT's the only holdout it seems. It's only gonna take a week to build this thing. I was shocked by that timeline, were you? Yeah, I mean, having worked for an aerospace company, I'm sure you know that that's about how long

it takes to a commission a new vehicle, right? Right. Yeah. Yeah. Look for that new single aisle in 10 years. Objection noted, we'll do this without you. Do it. Do it. Objection noted, we'll do this without you. Do it.

Do it. Do it. They all head down to the holodeck, turn the safety's off, and get some clay out and just start making concepts. Love this. They're using the holoclay. That's a Paris has got, and he's putting fins on this thing. Yeah, he kinda likes the idea of making it

just look cool as a way of, you know, preventing other people from fucking with them when they're flying it around. This sensibility is really interesting, and it made me think a lot about how other Star Trek aliens present themselves through what their ships look like. Right. Like, could they give this the imposing stature of a Dideradex if they designed it right? Right. yeah.

Tuvac doesn't want any embellishments at all. Anything that detracts from the mission of this thing is not something he's interested in entertaining the idea of. We are not designing a hot rod, Lieutenant. And BLT is like, cool, it sounds like you've got everything working here. I'm going to piece out. Yeah, yeah.

The suggestion that she came up with the wrong type of metal to make the haul out of. Yeah, does not cause her to full, you know, haul off on anybody or flip anybody over a table. And everybody's like, that's so weird. What's going on? This is the moment where if Paris doesn't engage with BLT about what's going on here, it's never going to happen. And sure enough, it never happens really in this episode.

Like, I was looking at Paris this entire time, like, are you gonna walk after her? Or ask her what's going on? Or do anything? She comes to his apartment in the next scene. Yeah. After hours. Didn't feel like there was a scene missing though between these two. Sort of. Yeah. Cause you're like, how did Paris get into his lieutenant's t-shirt? God, I know. I see him wearing the brand

new lieutenant's t-shirt available now at podshop.biz. Who doesn't get one of these? I just refreshed the page at him. It looks like those have sold out as well. That has been a thing. Yeah. It's funny, like I threw it away as a joke. Like who's gonna buy the captain's t-shirt, the commander's t-shirt or the lieutenant's t-shirt? It turns out it is the most popular shirt in the store. It's crazy. I mean, I feel I feel like we're going to go on our next tour and we're

going to look at an audience full of people and captains t-shirts, commanders t-shirts, and lieutenant t-shirts. We can't keep them on the shelves. It would appear we've underestimated the friends of DeSoto's appetite for solid color basics. Who knew that we should be trying to compete with the gap, you know? We should turn PodChap.biz into a department store. Hey, weird. They've got like an expert Shimoda branded washing machine. When did they start selling like tools and other small appliances?

They're when you need us. Yeah. Experts, Shymota. So yeah, he does ask her like what what's with the long face and uh you usually love dinner. Uncharacteristically she's not really there to be vulnerable with him and this scene really did make me wonder what their relationship status was. Cause we've talked about like they are boyfriend and girlfriend, but not live in boyfriend and girlfriend yet.

But they also just don't seem to like really communicate at all in the scene. And why is the carpet all wet, Todd? I don't know, Margot. Paris is like mad at her that she's sad in the way of like dumb 20 year old boyfriend, not 35 year old boyfriend who should have some emotional intelligence, you know. I don't know. I just maybe a dumb guy about things, but I was kind of on Paris's side of this one, which was like Paris wants to connect and wants to

have dinner and wants to either talk about it or not. But what he wants more than anything is to just be together. And when BLT can't explain why that's not going to happen or confide in him anything about how or why she's feeling the way she is. It's frustrating. Yeah. But I guess what I'm trying to say is maybe if she doesn't feel like she can confide in him in this moment, he's given her reasons not to believe that she can before this moment. I don't know.

Sometimes all it takes is to just put your hand on someone's shoulders. I just want to know what's going on. And just hold on until those answers come out. Yeah. I have to go. I find that when I put my hand on someone's shoulders in that context, they immediately go to the holiday I can turn off the safeties. This is the first of two scenes of strange touching that fly off the screen for me. The other is later on when Janeway curls her finger and lifts up BLT's chin so that she can look her in the eyes.

Yeah. What, where is that move? We've never seen that in real life. No one has ever touched another person's chin that way. Never before, never since. It's actually in the Guinness book. This is a very special episode for that reason. You know what, Ben?

It's just a little movie magic right there, isn't it? Well, out of the strange touching that BLT is really interested in, is the kind of strange touching you do with a Cardassian who is trying to fist fight you to death. Yeah. And she goes down and runs a Star Trek cave simulation where she can experience that. She's really turning her trumbles into brages. Yeah. I have to say.

Program 216 with the safeties of suggests hundreds of programs like this. Ha, ha, ha, ha. So as it does. They fight a lot and she's getting her kicks in program 216. Meanwhile, Voyager has arrived at the planet where the probe went down, the gas giant. And there's another maln freighter on the other side of the planet. Just dump and waste. like the Mallans do. Oh yeah, I mean, you talk shit about Mallan Fraters,

but I love the, like how flaky their salt is compared to other salt. It's like those big, like it's a great, you know, it's not great for cooking with, but it's a great finishing salt, the Mallans make. These are finishing freighters in the atmosphere here. There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with dumping your waste into a gas giant, right? The gas giant's just gonna cook it all away.

Yeah, do gas giants have people living in them in Star Trek? I don't know. This is Vrelk, the person in command of this other mail-on ship. And he is really ripshit about the destruction of the previous mail-on ship. And he wants the probe as like compensation for the loss of life and material that has been visited on the mail-ons. Andway is a fucking awesome in this scene. I love how little of his bullshit she puts up with in the scene. You are making a serious error and transmission.

She's really turned the corner from season diplomat to not taking any shit from the Mallans ever again. He's fucking done. Before he even starts. Yeah. He's like, well, we're gonna hang out and get that probe. And so now it's a competition, baby. Yeah.

There's coffee in that probe. Elsewhere BLT has gotten home from her holiday session. She's sweaty. She's wounded. Yeah. Getting ready for a shower probably. She's got a regenerator hiding under a towel. Yeah, it's like she's hiding the light she waves over stuff as though she's an addict. And that's her rig. Yeah.

It made me wonder the way she stores this thing if she's not allowed to have one of those. Right. Yeah. Like it's or it's it has this kind of shameful vibe to it. Yeah. And the way she's sitting sort of looks like somebody shooting up heroin in a TV show. Yeah. And she like catches herself in the mirror.

You don't keep the man's caper on the counter. You keep it under the towel. Right, yeah. Yeah, you don't want somebody coming over to a party at your house and opening the medicine cabinet and seeing, you know, like you want that stuff to seem sort of effortless. I mean, a magician should not reveal his tricks. Yeah.

Like you're just born that way. Yeah. Shorn and uncut and 420 friendly. There's an expression she has when she sees herself in the mirror, that was very unusual to me. Yeah, I was like, is she gonna like start turning into a full-blooded cling on in this scene or exactly my point? Like Star Trek has trained you as a viewer to really register moments like these not as introspection, but as alien.

Right. Instead, this, I think, is introspection. And we can only do the math on this later, but what she's deciding in this moment, the thing that causes her to gasp like that is realizing that maybe talking to Nelix is the solution to her problem. I mean, that's one hell of a problem. If the only way up is Nelix. Nelix is in the

mess hall and he's like, he's closing early, which is great. Yeah, I love that moment when he's like trying to turn the sign around to say closed and she's like, pushes the door open as he's reaching for the sign. I'd never do this if I were BLT. I don't like going to a restaurant within an hour of their closing time. And this is a great Neelix scene because he doesn't get upset at all. Yeah. Even when she orders something from him that he just walks over to the replicator and replicates, like you could have done that BLT. It was rude to make Neelix do it for you, but he could tell she just needed somebody to replicate something for her.

This feels to me like such a store bought versus homemade conflict in the moment. Like if Neelix made bananas pancakes, I think it would, it would mean a lot more than getting the store bought out of the replicator, right? Yeah, right. And also, where's the syrup, Nelix? Yeah. Do they have maple trees on the hydroponics, Bay? The lack of syrup on the plate has me asking the question,

how's Nelix? Everything all right over there? Yeah. Kind of worried about him. I know you don't want to do it. Coffee, black, make it yourself. I'm trying to help you see this is an opportunity to grow. Make it yourself. Do you mess with a banana pancake when you make your pancake mix pancakes? All the time, dude. Yeah. All the time. You know how I do it, though. A mix of cubed up bananas A mix of cubed up bananas and mashed banana.

Cube bananas, that's interesting. I do mashed banana in the batter, but then I do like, you know, like, cross sections. Yeah. Yeah, I'll bifurcate the banana twice to make, you know, like quads. Uh huh. And then I'll slice into those.

Wow. And that'll give me the trivial pursuit banana shape. Uh-huh, yeah. That mixes well into the batter. Wow. That's a very... I put the discs on once I've put the batter on the griddle. Yeah, that's good.

I gotta try your method. You gotta do bananas both ways. Also like a pinch and nutmeg and like a couple of derps of vanilla extract. I put a little creme dupe enan in that. No way, that's a good idea. Damn, I wonder if rum would work. Also, a little jazure of rum. I think it would. I think that would be good. Yeah, that's jazure of rum. You could get wood.

That would be good. Yeah, that's it too. I'm all out of creme dupe n' an. Oh, absolutely no reason to buy it. We gotta go creme dupe n' an' shopping for you. We gotta bring back, let's drink about it again, is what we need to do. Let's drink about it.

All right. I need the smallest bottle of creme dupe n' an' they make. Ha ha ha ha. That's what I need. smallest bottle of Creme de Benagne they make. That's what I need. So this does not seem like it really solves BLT's problem. And I love this scene. Almost nothing happens in this scene. BLT does not reveal what is bothering her in this scene. Neelix does not seem to be much help in this scene. Nor does Nielix seem to notice that anything is wrong with BLT because many, many crew people have left the mess hall without finishing their play. Pfft.

I love a slow scene that doesn't really amount to much when a character is going through a thing. This is one of the best scenes in the episode for that reason. It just takes its time and lets you sit with her in the mood that she's in. I thought it was great. Yeah, I liked it too.

The malign ship is parked right next to Voyager at this moment and on the bridge, people are asking the same question, I am, what are they still doing here and why are they so close? They saw what happened to the other guys that tried to go into the planet. Like they're not going to get it that way. I don't like being so close to the ship while it's green exhaust kind of shoots out in your general direction.

Yeah. So TuVox theory is like maybe they're just waiting for us to get the probe back and they'll try and steal it from us once we do it. But, you know, we're still like wrenching away on our new Shuttlecraft and we'll have to come up with a strategy for that. But, a seven of nine calls, TuVoc and Captain Janeway down to the Aslab and she's like,

hey, I've actually got big news about what the mail-on are working on. They're building their own shuttle that's strong enough to go into the planet. Can you think of another example of a Starfleet ship's ability to see inside another ship in this way? Well, that's the thing.

The ass lab gives them capabilities they've never had before. I really love it. And I hope they use it all the time. Is what I'm saying. Yeah. This seems to be a great bit of business here. Yeah.

And then the camera pans over to the right and it shows Homer Simpson rotating slowly in his own juices inside the oven. His body temperature has risen to over 400 degrees. You remember that episode of Deep Space 9 where there was a gun that could shoot through walls? Yeah. This kind of...

It feels like the introduction to a sort of tension that we never get in this episode anyway. They should get that gun and take out all the guys building the ship. Then what are the mail-ons gonna do? That's what I'm saying! We don't have to waste a torpedo on these fucking guys! So it's an old-fashioned space race and it's time to start Russian as they build the Delta fly. That was, that wasn't replicated equality right there. That was homemade, delicious, Ben. I loved seeing the, the bay where they're building this thing.

delicious and i love seeing the the bay where they're building this thing yeah yeah i mean say what you will about the effects that were possible in this moment the wide shot of the shuttle in the bay with the people working around it even of quality of the late 90s is still really need to look at it's very fun So everybody from the engineering department to the ops department to security to Khan is represented here. We've got people working on all the different systems and talking shit to each other, you know, like two-vac doesn't like, you know, Paris's strategy for building this thing doesn't like that Paris has put in a bunch of Captain Proton bullshit into the into the controls area. Every one of these knobs and levers is fully functional. Programmed in multiple techniques.

How excited are you at the idea that they're like knob switch and balls style controls at that station? It's a lot of fun. Yeah. I mean, I know that you are mainly excited about all the gauges. God, I love those gauges. That was a great. BLT not really enthused about the whole thing. She's off to the holodeck too. They're talking about this like a metal-urgical problem the ship might have, where the hull

plating could endure micro fractures under the stress of the gas giant. And she's like walking off in a huff and they're like, where are you going? And she explains she's gonna go down to the holodeck and test this micro fractures problem. But again, it's an opportunity for her to turn off the safeties and to do something super fucking dangerous down there.

Yeah. On the holodeck, BLT is at the controls of the Delta flyer alone. I think one of the things that's so interesting about the programs that BLT chooses for her near death experiences is like, in that cold open, there was another crew person in there to tell her like, what are you doing? It's too dangerous. Now she doesn't need that person at all.

She knows it's dangerous. That doesn't get her off anymore. I wondered if they used the same loop of the computer saying turning off the safety is not advisable. Yeah, it feels like it. Why would they have different takes? I mean, yeah, I wonder, because if it's like really trying to mimic natural language,

you would want it to like take a different take at it every time, right? I think even if you turn the safety's off, wouldn't it make sense if the computer knows what your vitals are? If you fall low first into a panel and knock yourself out, unconsciousness should end the program, shouldn't it? Man, it really should, but it does not.

No. So she gets KO'd and up on the bridge, a banger gets dropped on the ship as the melon's spray him with some of their green garbage. And Vrel, the other ship's commander is like, he's being like shady as fucking, basically just calls Jane way up to taunter. Yeah, I like this. Like yeah, we're gonna launch our shuttle way ahead of yours. You suck.

Would hate to dump more garbage on you like I just did. I like this guy. I couldn't help it. Not enough shit talkers in Star Trek. Just trying to save you the embarrassment of losing. Yeah, the shit talking is not really getting to Janeway, but she does want to put the Delta Flair construction detail into high gear.

So they try and get in touch with BLT and when she doesn't answer Chicote has to go down to the holodeck and freeze the program and it seems like he kind of rescued her right at the last minute. I thought this was a powerful moment between these two characters characters that have at times been very close on the show. Yeah. Like, let's we forget there was a romantic attraction between them that, I mean, I haven't forgotten, but the show seems to have, but this moment

was sort of a reminder because when he sees her down on the ground, he is absolutely shaken by this in a way that seems to cross the professional boundary. Yeah, it's, you know, like they have a really complex dynamic. And BLT wakes up on the bio bed and the captain kind of dismisses the doctor and has this heart to heart with her. I kind of wished that this was Chico Dei here, but I understand why it's the captain. Yeah.

The doctor has reported back, like four months, BLT has been putting herself in harm's way and then having internal bleeding and like patching herself up badly. I love how the thing that moves the needle most for BLT is how her self-nursing is described. Kind of a slam in there, Janeway.

Yeah. I know you're trying to express dismay and concern, but you don't need to dunk on her like that. Yeah. This behavior combined with how uninterested she seemed in the workplace has combined to create a moment where Janeway can't trust her and needs to take her off of the shuttle mission and put her under the doctor's supervision. I guess you could call her Captain Dismainway. her captain dismay way. Yeah, you sure can. This is the scene where where Janeway lifts BLT's chin up with the

crook of her finger. And I want to know, I would read the oral history about this scene and how this direction came to be. Because I, you see it in movies and TV, but I feel like in real life, if anyone tried to do this to someone else's chin, yeah, they'd be like, eh, get off me. What the hell? Yeah. Are you trying to touch my face? I'm not looking you in the eyes. What about that makes you think you can touch my face? Yeah. You think you're just forced me to look you in the eyes because you don't like that I'm not looking you in the eyes? Hey, guess what?

You've lifted up my chin. I'm still not looking at you in the eyes. Right. I've got to get that. Luck, number, get that. Old, better, large, much. I've got to get that. Luck, number, not.

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made me wonder why Tom was so in the dark about what's going on with BLT, especially if this is something that's been going on for months. Right. Apparently they haven't been spending enough time together that he would notice that she's spending an inordinate amount of time in the holodeck that he would notice that she's covered in bruises and is like bleeding internally in shit. Yeah. Like she has really kept him in the dark in a way that I feel like any real relationship would have a reckoning over. I mean, they haven't been physical in a long time either because he'd be able to tell if she were bruised and in pain.

Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. She's been cheating on him with that holographic cardacitor. She's never complained about being hurt. You don't hit me the way he does. Jesus. Clinical depression is the diagnosis here.

And I, it didn't really hit right for me when they say that. Was this an album track order issue with you? Because that episode where Janeway is feeling things in the void is so close to this episode that it made me think Janeway should be the lead on this problem. And she should be with BLT in a way that could help her get through it. But she's just absent bossing it here. Yeah, I mean, she's delegating a lot and, you know, gives Dakota the job of like dig through the holodeck records and see what she's been up to.

It's sort of like that thing where I'm very easily nauseous and if someone else vomit around me I will start to vomit The same goes for depression if I am a roundy depressed person. I become very very depressed myself Well, yeah, I mean, I think like depression does not present exactly the same way in different people But it didn't quite smack of clinical depression to me. And I think it's interesting. Just my vomit theory of depression that hold up with you. Is that what you're saying? What I'm saying is that I think it's interesting that that turns out not to be what the issue is. Yeah. I think that there's something really like

powerfully subtle about how Roxanne Dawson plays it that when they say clinical depression, that doesn't feel like the solution to the problem in this episode, you know. Yeah. This whole thing is so ridiculous. I really love this scene with Chicoote and BLT that follows because, I mean, as much as I want Janeway to be on point for this, Chicoete and BLT go way back, as we all know, and they've been through a lot of the same things together. In many ways, they should be closer than we've seen over the last couple of seasons, given

their backgrounds. Yeah, what with having spilled the same blood in the same mud, et cetera. But there is a quality to Chicoete here that I thought was so funny, so unintentionally funny. Like a parent who is concerned about the video games their kid is playing and wants to play them himself. He is so enthusiastic about participating in the programs that I can't help but be suspicious of him in a way that I feel like BLT is mildly suspicious of, but Chico Te's vibe here is so positive,

so 10 out of 10 and so convincing that he's like, yeah, you know what, I'm gonna play these games with you and then I'm gonna tell the captain, nothing's wrong. And we're gonna play him right now. Yeah, it's like if your parent wanted to play Grand Theft Auto with you, but also wanted you to make like smoke the entire carton of cigarettes that they caught you with at the same time. Yeah, it's like that. The program that he has found is, it wasn't 216, right?

It was like a different program. Yeah. And it's the aftermath of a massacre. And this is the massacre where all their make-wee buddies bought it. This is what has been eating BLT. If the shoulder grab between Paris and BLT bothered you before. That will be forgotten compared to the physicality of this scene. Yeah. Because BLT does not want to be in here one second longer. And Chico Te is going to force her to confront what this is. Like, this is clearly something of some significance to her. It was too traumatic for her to remain inside any more than a minute. And Chicoete seems to have an understanding about what a person needs to do to confront a trauma like this, at least. I mean, this moment's so interesting because Chicoi's thought a lot about this moment, ever since they had

the discussion of the news of their dead Mayquise comrades. And his feelings were very different from BLTs in that he had them and she did not. Right? Right. And he knows how to turn trumbles into rages in a way that she might not given their different life experiences. Yeah. But yeah, the thing she is struggling with is that this news met her with indifference. It didn't drive her to grief or pain or outrage or anything.

And it's made her feel like dead and disconnected from everything by extension. The interesting and subtle distinction that it's like a cry for help, right? It's like she doesn't actually want to die. She just wants the like the risk to feel like something. And that's a really painful moment, and I feel like they really earned this moment based on how the episode is unfolded until now. Yeah, this is the moment that makes the case

that it's Jicote as the best choice for this interaction. Yeah. And she can really see this pattern of loss in her life where every time she thinks things are gonna be great, everything's stable goes away. And this is just another example of that and like, you know, maybe it's a bit simplistic that they unpack this all at once seen, but she gets to this realization

that like she's she actually fears grieving like if she if she allows herself to feel it, then she'll feel all of it all at once and it will be too much for her. And that's really intense. And it's like one of those things where it's like, oh, we got to put a pin in this because a banger's getting tough on the ship. Right. I wonder what was going on in the scene during production because Star Trek and the actors in Star Trek are really great at their bodies in space. And Robert Beltran is holding on to Roxanne Dawson's wrists for a very long time in this scene. And the shot reverse shot never matches shot to shot. Her hands are apart and together and apart and together in a way

that seemed unusual for this show that really usually has it together for sequences like that. It was something I noticed immediately. Man, I totally missed that. I was pretty busy cranking it during this scene, so. Sure. It's subtle. Yeah, but I wonder, like, because ordinarily the actors are so good at that, I wonder if they didn't have time to re-shoot it, or maybe there was,

I mean, maybe it was difficult mentally to do more than a couple of times. There's a lot to unpack in the scene. Yeah. So when they get up to the bridge, the melons have launched their shuttle and they're, you know, shooting crap at the voyage or to kind of slow them down or something. How do you know when it's intentional crap and accidental crap from a mail-on ship, though? Well, this looked like the same color as the stuff that they shot at those night people. That's right.

The Night Man. The passion we passion is not man. I'm guessing it's like their weapon. Seems that way. I love these FX shots. Yeah, it's cool. So they have to launch the Delta flyer without being totally done putting it together.

They're like, shit, we're gonna need like somebody to do the engineering part. And Chicoate is like, well, BLT is not gonna be that. So I'll head down. And everybody on the bridge is like, no, Chicoate, it's a brand new shuttle. Don't get on board. I love that subtext.

It's though BLT stops him in the hallway and there's like, you know, this thing is gonna fly apart if I'm not on board it. And Chico-te is like, well, fly her apart then. But BLT convinces him to let her take over. I can do this. I need to do this. Sounds great.

She kicks Forex's ass off the ship. She co-tays relieved to not have taken responsibility for this shuttle mission, but I also don't think that they would have issued him a shuttle had he gone to the desk to get one. Right. Too many hull losses. So they take off and, man, I love the cockpit of this ship. Like the camera angles of the cockpit are so cool. It's so weird that they're on like different levels

all throughout it and like, it's much bigger than a shuttle. So like they talk about having like a cargo bay and that's really weird to think about. You know, like how the-regress for Star Trek generations made it more camera-friendly for a wider aspect ratio? Yeah. I feel like the depth and the height of the Delta Flyer made it more friendly for the television aspect ratio.

Like you really fill the frame with all the characters and stuff. Yeah, and it's got like windows that go like way up top so they can... Yeah, the wide shot is cool. Yeah, like they must have had like a ceiling mounted blue screen or green screen so that they could do all the effects out the windows. Yeah, that's really neat. Yeah, they did a great job. So they get to try some of their Borg inspired weaponsired weapons on the mail-on shuttle, and that goes

great. They're now the only ship in the running for rescuing the probe. When they do get down there, they're deep enough that the whole integrity does in fact need BLTs, you know, a grubber-esque mechanical genius. I love how it's not just one thing, though. Like, when she puts the quarter sheet on the wall and starts welding it together, I love how that's not the end of the fix.

Like, there needs to be a backup to this fix. Yeah. That involves a dust buster and a few other components laid on the floor. I need a phaser. Where you going, Trevor? Yeah, a really beautiful callback when she makes a little force field

across a part of the ship and Jim Shimoda walks in and goes, how did you do that? Yeah. The Delta Flyer officially has its own Shimoda corner. Incredible. It's great. Love has its own Chimota Corner. Incredible. It's great. Love it. Mission is a great success.

Yeah, they get the probe, they get it back to the ship, they leave Jordi's mom behind. Yeah, they didn't even try to look for her. Yeah. So she has a nice deep breath with Chico Te, and everybody's really glad that she went on the mission and you know, he's like, hey, you know, the massacre is a total bummer and go ahead and like feel those feelings and like grief takes time. So yeah. And she's like, cool, well next time you look in my diary,

I'm gonna break your fucking dick. And that's how you know she's okay, right? Like part of what was so upsetting about BLT for most of the episode was how little attitude she ever had and that was the warning sign. Yeah. But that she has her attitude back and her sense of violence. Yeah. Even, like that's encouraging.

Yeah, healthy for her. Yeah. She goes into, that's encouraging. Yeah, healthy for her. Yeah. She goes into the restaurant and makes herself some more banana pancakes this time with syrup. Yeah. Neelix didn't know any better. I wanted to ask you about this scene, the look on her face at the end. Did you interpret that as her sort of like Melora Walters at the end of Magnolia. Well, did you interpret it as her smiling or starting to cry? Oof, I hadn't considered that there would be anything other than a smile there, but it's a better scene, I think, if you think it's a cry.

Yeah, because I was watching this with the closed captioning on, mostly because I wanted to see how RELX name was spelled. And good move. I interpreted it as a, yeah, like her starting to cry like, not like a sob, but like the way a cry can come on through a smile where she's like starting to let those feelings come out. But the closed caption said it was like a giggle or something. And I was like, what the fuck, that's the giggle? That was like,

Oh no. That was like no description could be worse than that. Let me read the actual closed caption. Chuckles softly. I didn't think she was chuckling. I don't think a chle ever turns to crying. Yeah. As an emotional transition.

Trambles can turn to rages, but chuckles cannot turn to crying. Yeah. Did you like this episode, Adam? You know, I really used to get along with most of the time, but I don't like bullets, I don't like bullets, and I don't like you. I used to.

I did in spite of, you know, sometimes we'll watch one of these episodes. And the number of questions we have will mean that it's a week episode, much in the same way that like a cloud of writing credits mean that it may be a week episode. But this episode really made me get up in my head about the people in BLT's life and what exactly their roles might be and to what extent, you know, people that I thought would be close to her aren't either personally or professionally. And I can understand intentionally sidelineing Paris here and not wanting the melodrama that would come with a intimate relationship on display for us as the viewer to go through

them with. I like the reflex to just not make this that. But if that's what you're doing, I think you still need to portray Paris as caring. And you don't need to have them on screen together to show us that. But like my main takeaway this episode is what a bad look it is for Paris to look like he'd rather work on a ship

than fix his relationship or try to help a special person. And I think there's room for Paris to do both. But his utter absence here, him not being on the board at all for her, is unintentionally a bad look for him. And I think this episode does him dirty. Like, I understand the reason to go in the direction it does,

but not at the expense of what it does to Paris. So that's where I'm at with it. What about you? I feel very similarly on all of the points you brought up. I also just think that this is such an exciting episode for a early in a new season show. Like they were really starting to flex some new kinds of visual effects in this episode. It really feels like this was an expensive episode to make, like a really high spec, exciting thing to see on a television screen.

And it's so interesting that all of the, like, I think that it's so strong that the episode does not get distracted by all of the new shuttle zooming around in the clouds stuff that it could have been. It's not an episode that centers combat with the melons. It's not an episode that centers how many different cool ways they can show us the Delta Flyer and what it's capable of. It is really a character study about BLT that has this sort of background thing that is augmenting a different part of the show. And the upshot of that is for later.

This is a thing that Star Trek is really good at, like not obsessing over like dumb sci-fi bullshit and instead obsessing over character stuff. Yeah. And, you know, for as dirty as it does Paris, I think it's a really strong BLT episode. And it's amazing that the episode where they're building the Delta flyer is also the episode where BLT goes and sits in a dark restaurant with Nielix for like four minutes and just has a conversation that goes nowhere. Yeah, I really like that scene too. One final point,

Ben, is that if I'm as confused about the Paris BLT relationship as I am, and we watch multiple episodes of this show every week. A viewer who watched this for the first time as it was coming out on television week to week and spring into fall with the summer break or whatever has to be completely lost about this, right? Yeah. You're totally disconnected from whether or not they're together. So I'm really hoping there's some BLT Paracentric episode to either reset the relationship

or give us some some finality of it. I think there needs to be an answer here. Yeah. If this is going to be a part of the show or not. Answer us. Yeah, you know, one place we've got a lot of answers but no questions been. Mm. It's a priority one message inbox. You want to see what we have over there? Yeah, you know, one place we've got a lot of answers, but no questions, Ben. It's a priority one message inbox.

You want to see what we have over there? Yeah, let's check it out. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. You need a supplement on that. supplement on that? supplement on that. supplement on that. Yeah, it's extra.

The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship. Ben, our first priority one message, is sent from Captain Gellico and it is to AlphaShift. Oh man. We are a little late on this one, because the requested date is December 12, 1992. Oh boy. Message goes like this, I know you're used to eggs Benedict, but if brunch breaks out, I want to be loaded for bear. Bake buttermilk biscuits and top with hand-fried ham steak. Use a half a cup of young white cheddar, three tablespoons butter, two tablespoons flour,

one cup milk. Melt butter on low and slowly stir in the flour. Then the milk, then the cheese. Sprinkle with paprika and fresh parsley. Get it done. Oh man, that sounds great. Really does sound good. You know what, any more you go out to a breakfast restaurant,

there's 10 different kinds of Benedict's. Just give me the stone-edicts. Yeah. Just give me the stone-cold classic. Yeah, the classic is good. Classic. Always slaps. Yeah. Yeah.

Thanks to Captain Jeleco for that. Yeah. Unfortunately, we're a parsley-free household at the moment because of breastfeeding. Parsley messes up breast milk apparently. I did not know that. Yeah, I didn't either. What does pineapple do? Makes it taste awesome.

Yeah. The ropes my wife is shooting into our baby are the lectable at the moment. That is a relief to know. Yeah, yeah. Adam, our next priority one message is from Emily and it's to Chris Martin and it goes like this. Wishing the happiest of birthdays to the incomparable Chris Martin.

Sharing an orbit with you is no small experience. Thank you for introducing me to Star Trek and letting me into another world within your world. Wow! Gratitude for an introduction to the greatest generation. And Star Trek writ large, amazing. Gratitude instead of resentment. Yeah, that's great. That's huge.

Thank you, Chris Martin, and thank you, Emily. I'm saying thank you to Chris Martin for putting somebody onto our show, because I presume Emily didn't find it. But maybe that's a bad presumption. Maybe Emily got into Trek and really got in. You know? Yeah. Yeah, maybe request a date was December 14th. I'm gonna guess that's the date of Chris Martin's birthday. Oh yeah. If so happy birthday Chris. Yeah happy birthday. Wow. Well if you'd like to wish somebody a happy birthday or you you know, let people know about a project you're doing.

Or a- Maybe share a recipe. Share a recipe. Go ahead and head over to Maximum Fun Tideorg slash Jembo Tron and set up a P1 today. Hey Ben. What's that Adam? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? Drunk Shimoda!

Yeah, I'm giving it to Chicoote this episode. There's that scene where the mallans launch their shuttle and they're like, fuck, they beat us, they've already launched. We gotta get our new shuttle in the air. We gotta chase them down. And Chicoote is like, I'll be the person like sitting in the BLT seat. I'll be the engineer on this one. And Chico Tei's like, I'll be the person sitting in the BLT seat.

I'll be the engineer on this one. And he gets up and then there's a shot of him just walking at a normal pace of speed down a hallway. Like this is not an urgent situation at all. We talk about this all the time. It feels like it's such a quality of Star Trek specifically that you very rarely see

anyone running. Yeah. Yeah. Because the music is the run, right? The music is the urgency. It looks weird when people move fast on screen. Yeah. I mean, it's also just if he had been going as fast as he could, maybe BLT wouldn't have caught up to him. Yeah. But in this scene, she was running. Did you have a drunk Samota, Adam? RELK. I love. Sometimes you get a character in an episode and they're only ever going to be seen on the view screen.

Like we never cut over to their ship. We never see what they're doing unless they're having a face time. Yeah. And RELK exists in the window on the view screen and does so much in that space to transmit an attitude and a feeling. And I just like this character quite a bit.

So. Do you think there are nice parts of a maln ship? Like this is the bridge and there's lots of smoke and rusty pipes everywhere, but like, when they get off work, can they get out of their radiation suit and go like sit on a couch somewhere? Or is it all that? I think it's the new problem.

Once you wipe off some of her face and make it clean, you gotta do the whole thing. That's much like a mall and ship. You can't make a clean spot. Yeah. Well, that was a lot of fun talking about that episode with you, Adam. And I like your Shimoda quite a bit, but I would like to tell you about the next episode, which is season five episode four in the flesh. The crew avoid your discover a simulation

of starfleet headquarters being run by species for 2069. Really? They're back. Yeah, and it's a really accurate simulation. And you know how I know that? I'm looking at the thumbnail and booth bees in it. Whoa. Whoa.

Interesting. Booth b. What is species 4.2069? What do they want with a holodeck program? No. Or a simulation of any kind. They didn't seem like they'd be into that kind of foolishness. Well, they are. Okay.

Wow, they just are. It turns out there into like Nazi program. Simulations to they're like, oh, damn, what the fuck? Boy, what's going on in the Delta Quadrant? Yikes. Why don't you head over to Gach, that biz slash game and walk us through what is about to happen to us? Ben, I'm looking at our runabout. It's on the very top row. Oh yeah. Square 96.

Fuck. Two squares ahead. A space butthole that would take us down a couple of rows to a, the nth degree episode. FOD favorite. Oh yeah. So that is four squares ahead. Morn hammered.

I think I know what the FODs want. Wow. From this role, let's see if I can deliver. A lot of people are placing bets right now. A lot of people are pulling out one of those spiral notebooks and wetting the tip of their pencil on their tongue. What happens again if I overshoot Mornhammer? Do we just go back to the beginning?

We do, yeah. It's an auto loop. Wow, I think that'd be tough for a lot of people. You're required to learn as you play, Role. Alright, see what I do. See. Oh, Ben, I rolled a five. Shula! Did I win?

Harvey, it took us exactly down to square one. We're back to square one. We're back to square one, Ben. We didn't hit anything. Man. But we have transited the entire game of Budmoles once again. Yeah, we skipped most of it this time. I know. We're now at the first row

Row one square one. It'll be a regular episode for us next week. Wow Adam. Well that is a pretty exciting stuff. I'm looking forward to reviewing that episode normally with you and I'm glad that the Mornhammered Square is just about as far from us as it possibly can be. Yeah, safe distance. Let's tell the people about how they can support this program if they're so inclined. Right! Show runs on money. Always has. Friends of DeSoto can support the show financially by going to maximumfund.org slash. Join. They can also be customers of our commercial sponsors. You know what, that really makes a difference in our show and how we're able to support ourselves

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but the theme and the restitional music made by Adam Ruggusia. One of the greats. And with that, we will be back at you next week with another great episode, Star Trek Voyager, an episode of the greatest generation Voyager, where we will all be joined by a third co-host, Boothby. I love it. Yeah, he's gonna be here. For the very first time, we've got a third co-host.

Yeah. That always goes great for us. Yeah. Keep him off a Twitter. Oh yeah. Boothby would get himself in a lot of trouble on Twitter. I'm making sure. We would get himself in a lot of trouble on Twitter. Maximumfun.org.

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