The Greatest Generation - Fortune Favors the Flying Machine (VOY S4E11)
Episode Date: August 8, 2022When the Voyager gets jacked, Leonardo DaVinci gets snatched like a chain, along with the ship’s computer core. But when they arrive at Planet SoCal, they get extremely confused about what their pri...orities should be in recovering their stuff. Why don’t more aliens look like members of Slipknot? How much was the talc budget for LDV on this episode? Where does Tau keep his genitals? It’s the episode that wants to take to the sky, but can’t get its mind out of the gutter. Support the production of The Greatest Generation. Friends of DeSoto for Democracy.Friends of DeSoto for Justice.Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Caretaker!Music by Adam Ragusea & Dark MateriaFollow The Greatest Generation on Twitter, and discuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen!The Greatest Generation is now regularly streaming on Twitch.Facebook group | Subreddit | Discord | WikiSign up for our mailing list!
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Before today's episode, we just wanted to take a moment to talk about the historic labor
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If you're a fan of the work done by the people who make Star Trek, we hope you'll join
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Over the past several years, the AMPTP, the organization that represents the American Film and Television Production
Studios, have reduced the profit from movies and TV going to workers. And in so doing,
they've attempted to weaken the labor unions that represent those workers. They wouldn't
even engage the unions on many issues in their negotiations. And so a strike was the only course of action to take.
Adam, Wendy and I have been having a lot of internal
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We're doing our best to understand where the picket lines
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Here's to the finest crew in Starfleet. Engage!
Bringengwe the U.S.N. Boardhead, Dirk. Captain Captain, Captain, Bringengwe the U.S.N. Boardhead, Dirk.
Welcome to the greatest generation. It's a Star Trek podcast by a couple of guys.
Just a little bit embarrassed about having a Star Trek podcast. I'm Adam Prennicka.
I'm Ben Harrison. You know, Adam, it's so hot.
We usually do a sync clap before the episode.
I could hear your hands coming back apart after the sync clap.
Three, two, one.
That's how hot it is.
That's how hot it is.
Hotter for you than it is for me, but still pretty hot.
I got nice and sweaty on the dog walk this morning.
I've been going out walking the dog, getting wet.
Just observing house fires in your neighborhood and getting wet. Yeah, getting wet, watching people's entire houses burn down.
Just a wonderful time to be alive.
But I do have some good news, Adam.
Oh yeah?
We got an angry call from the post office.
Why haven't you come and picked up your mail in over a month?
Ooh.
So I went over and picked up our mail and we got a whole bunch of mail.
Hey, do you still have that message?
No.
Because that would have been fun.
I think we're in a two-party consent state.
I don't think we would legally be allowed to play the nice lady who works at the post office chewing me out.
You think the post office police would come down on us for that? Is that what you think?
Mm-hmm.
Well, let's do a little postal inspecting of our own, Adam, and open these packages.
I'm sorry to disturb you.
I'm receiving a code 47.
Verify?
It is code 47, sir.
Startly emergency frequency.
So give me a sense for scope here. Were they righteous in their indignation based on the number
and size of packages you had to pick up? I have to say we moved to a new post office for our PO box recently, and the old post office
never batted at an eye at people sending stuff to Uxbridge, Shimodo, or people sending stuff to
the greatest generation, or people sending to Ben and Adam. All of those worked, nobody ever
complained. They might have asked for clarification, is this to you, or is this a mistake once or twice, but it was never an issue.
No.
This post office, there are rules,
they are mad that stuff is coming in
that says the greatest generation,
they're like, do you have any documentation to prove
that you are the greatest generation?
Wow.
And I'm like, I don't have a piece of paper
from a gas company that says that, but that's my podcast.
You can look it up on Wikipedia, and they're like, that's not good enough.
Yeah, our credit card says,
X-Brute Shimota, it doesn't say greatest generation.
Damn!
Yeah, I wouldn't be able to prove that either if someone wanted my papers.
Yeah, so just a word of warning to anyone out there who would like to send something to
us. Put Ben and Adam on the package, because otherwise we will get a lot of warning to anyone out there who would like to send something to us put Ben and Adam on the package
Because otherwise we will get a lot of questions and it might get sent back to you
It kind of sounds like the post office is mad at you for all kinds of reasons. Yeah, and not just one
Yeah, it's a constellation of reasons this first item we have here is from Paul in
Durham, North Carolina right there next to Raleigh.
Hmm, research triangle area of the country.
Yeah.
A place you've been many times.
I have.
I used to have family in that part of the country.
They've all moved to different places now, but I want to go to the carolinas.
It seems like a fun place to go.
Oh yeah.
Get some crabs with soft shells.
I would recommend Ashville.
Ashville is a most enjoyable place to visit.
Oh.
I haven't been to the research triangle part in,
you know, since I was a kid,
so I couldn't speak to it from a...
Was the research triangle where you were born?
Ha ha ha.
It's where they drove the plans for me.
Ah.
Hahaha.
Hello, Ben and Adam.
Greetings from the East Coast.
My wife and I are longtime friends of DeSoto and look forward to your podcast every week.
We're currently prepping for a move to Toronto and cleaning out the closet.
We came across these old Star Trek cards.
I think I got as a stocking stuffer a long time ago.
I figured it'd be a great addition
to your growing collection of memorabilia and goodies.
Though, I don't quite think you can play a round of war
with them.
Hope you like them and hope to catch you
at a future live show, Cheers Paul.
Wow.
So we've got friends of DeSoto
who are intentionally moving to cities where we do live shows every year. That's the
dedication. That's the kind of dedication we look for. They get tired of
waiting. There's just a few of these but they are all part of the master series of
cards. Wow look at those. They're really beautiful. There's a Kira down there.
Yeah there's a Kira. There's a Kirk.
There's a Riker and Minuet here.
We've got Data and Lore.
We've got somebody named Ruck.
Look at Ruck.
I don't know Ruck.
I guess Ruck may be an original series person.
Hmm.
And someone named Kamala.
A rare empathic metamorph from the planet Krios.
We remember Kamala. Kamala is the one that got away.
Remember the perfect mate.
Well thank you, thank you Paul G, and I hope your move to Toronto is fruitful.
Yeah, we'll see you there hopefully next year.
Hey speaking of Toronto, our next one here is to us and it's from Josh Z in Toronto.
Came all the way from overseas, Adam.
The letter's like, hey, we've been evicted from our home
because the people who own it
are coming back to live there from the research triangle.
Ha, ha, ha.
Comes like this.
Ben, being a dad is the absolute best thing in the world.
I bet you'll be great at it.
Bashaa, toava, Josh.
PS, paternity leave is amazing and the FODs will understand.
It's not about us anyways, if you want it.
Wow, thank you, Josh.
Josh has invited you to leave the show for a while.
Yeah.
Take as much as you need, Ben.
Josh has sent one of these gold-bound kids books.
Oh, cool.
It's a Star Trek alphabet book.
That's amazing.
You're gonna need one of those.
Yeah, I should also say, I opened it a while ago.
I did not realize it was a thing for the show
because Bri Belky has my own address,
but Bri Belky sent a Star Trek onesie.
Wow.
And I think it is going to be much to my wife's sugar in that almost all of the baby stuff
we currently possesses Star Trek related.
That's awesome.
You get to put the onesie up on the insta.
Yeah.
A couple of other things included in here.
Some Star Trek themed stickers.
Oh cool.
A Georgian Gracie sticker, a Starfleet Academy like Christmas sweater,
style sticker. This next one is from Emily in Nettleton, Mississippi.
M-I, crooked letter, crooked letter I, crooked letter, crooked letter I, humpback, humpback,
I. There is a letter to your Mr. Harrison and Pranika thanks for making such an enjoyable
pod.
I watched TNG Weekly during its original run but fell off watching Trek regularly after
it ended.
Although I still haven't made it through all of DS9 have taken the opportunity to watch
Voyager before viewing the pod every week.
And I highly recommend it to FODs who don't.
Please find and close a Klingon language CD that I've had in my possession for some 20 odd years
I have no idea where I acquired it or why but I do have a distinct memory of listening to the introduction where Michael
Dorn recommends that you keep a hanker chip and the
Practicing since spitting is to be expected your loyal viewer Richard
spitting is to be expected your loyal viewer Richard. PS, shout out to my buddy Cliff who should catch up to this episode sometime in
2020. So 2023 has crossed out in 2025 is put in in pen.
Not many audiobooks or the like come with a handkerchief warning.
Yeah, this is the Klingon.
Yeah, the Klingon that like learn Klingon at home.
It's conversation Klingon.
You're not gonna be fluent, okay?
But it's enough to get by.
Yeah, presented by Michael Dorne featuring the author Mark Akrand
and the picture on the album art is the Klingons from Star Trek III.
Yeah.
Christopher Lloyd and friends.
That's great. Thank you so much, Richard.
I wonder who this Emily person is that's on the label.
I had the book on book when I was in middle school.
The Learn Language book for Klingon.
And it was so difficult.
I didn't hardly know how to speak English at that point.
I'm trying to learn to cling on out of a book.
The audio book would have been so much easier.
And I didn't have a hankerchief.
Another package from the South Adam.
This one's from Kathy in Murphreesboro, Tennessee.
There's a lot of ours in Murphreesboro.
A lot more ours than you would think.
Are you feeling the love from the Southern States? I am! States that we don't go on tour.
Well, everybody regussia just moved to Tennessee. Like, doesn't Pete lives in Memphis?
Maybe one day. Maybe next year. Who knows? Who knows knows we also have live remote shows like our recent one to
Great success. Yeah
Unvarnished no complaint success
And I'm so there's a card with a beautiful likeness
Two of us drawn hand drawn on it. Wow
They look like a renon snipp snippy like Mrs. You know?
Yeah, they do have a bit of that to their art style.
It goes like this,
do you're been an atom I discovered your pod
when it came to Max Fun and became an FOD soon after?
I'm among your Legion of fans who watched the episodes
again and again.
Repeated viewing is rewarding to me
because I love watching the show evolve over time.
The impressions, the bits, the music, you guys had a drunk Shimoda at episode 2, amazing.
In 2017, I backed the IndieGo for DS9.
As a reward, I received the enclosed pins.
I'm giving them to you as a token of my gratitude for all the hours of laughs I've enjoyed,
thanks to the expert Shimoda family of pods.
Your content helps keep me sane at work full stop.
Because I work from home, my husband Gregory is being drawn
in like a Previa and a tractor beam.
The day that he asked what a drunk Shimoda is, I knew we had him.
Gregory is a professional artist and he drew the caricatures
on the front of this card.
A obligatory plug, he's at Gregory's World of Woohoo on Facebook. Hope these pins add something to your collection in spite of the
poor likenesses. And poor likenesses, they are indeed at them. These are enamel pins of
all of the main characters of DS9. And the O'Brien one in particular is very potato-faced.
I would say.
Oh, yeah.
And that's not a slur on the Irish.
His head literally looks like a potato.
He kind of looks like a vape-king alien.
Yeah.
With his weird lip protuberance.
He does.
Yeah.
I think the Odo one might be my favorite.
It's got that kind of Odo glower to it that really slaps,
but these are great.
They're very funny.
We'll enjoy whacking those up between the two of us
and thank you Kathy and thank you Gregory
for the beautiful drawing of us.
Thanks you too.
Another package here Adam.
This is from Cheeve and Kathy.
Another Kathy, but this one with a K.
Hmm, they're from Somerville in Massachusetts.
And this is a bigger Manila envelope and sort of heavy.
I think this is some kind of printed material with a heavy.
Got a piece of loose leaf here.
Dear Adam and Ben, thought you might enjoy this collection
of Moon Knight comics written by pulp doir novelist Charlie Houston. I like how he brought back a bunch of
characters from the comics I read as a kid back in the 80s and 90s. Thanks for all
the great pod, Cheeve, and Somerville. Wow, so this is like a big paperback of
Marvel's Moon Knight comic. Oh that's cool. Is it one of those graphic novels that's actually a lot of the comics put together or is it its own thing?
It says omnibus, which makes me think probably yet is a bunch of comics put together.
Oh, that's great. I used to read Moon Knight.
Oh, my goodness. What's this in the back?
Tax documents.
There's a little folder in the back that says tax documents.
It seems to be...
Is it see that's how you're able to mail tax documents across state lines. You just sneak
them into a comic book omnibus.
It is stuck to the...
And it would be a cover. I don't want to know how it's stuck to the bag cover. Oh. What did you do, Chief? What Chief has included in the bag?
Wow.
Some close-ups of horny stuff going on in Star Trek.
The first one is the unforgettable
side-slong briefs guy from Helix's Getaway.
There's a photo of Q and Q doing finger stuff
in the episode where Janeway solves the war
and the Q continuum.
There's a cast with Goo on her hands
from the backpack episode.
Shots of Neelix's feet.
Yeah, that's great.
I don't remember whose fingers these are,
but some really gross fingers.
Oh no.
Doing something gross.
Yeah, fingers definitely belongs there.
We got the feet of that guy that gets falsely accused
of wearing the gravity boots in Star Trek 6.
We've got two different shots of the back of two vixes
That does not belong in the tax documents. What kind of sick fuck?
Nobody jacks it to two vixes head
The IRS would send that right back to you with interest
That is really funny. I was I was really trying to figure out why Chief sent us a moon night comic given that I don't think I've ever heard of moon night before it became a TV show that I saw advertised everywhere and further that I don't
think it's ever come up on the show. I like that it's just a...
They were just trying to sneak you some text documents. It's a pretty text. Yeah. Yeah.
Wow. Alright we're getting into the bigger boxes here, Adam.
This one is from Dan and Abaville, Louisiana.
It's to us.
I hope I'm pronouncing that right.
Abaville.
Abaville?
I'm sure it's great and no one will be offended.
I don't know, Adam.
Alright, there is an interior box in this box.
Taped together with some gaff tape tape so you know this is a professional operation
Mm-hmm. Yeah like that
Always a good feeling to cut through some gaff tape. It says used tape to lift on the underside of the lid
So that's interesting
All right here is a letter dear Adam and Ben
I hope this finds you and your families well.
I had intended to bring these to the Austin live show,
but I had to cancel the trip.
I found your show during a pretty rough patch,
shortly after the pandemic started a pair
of hurricanes wrecked our town and flooded our apartment.
I started rewatching Star Trek,
finding its optimism and occasional silliness
to be a welcome salve in a world of bigotry,
violence and disease.
After finding your show, I quickly decided to watch along from the beginning.
By the time this reaches you, I should be fully caught up with Voyager.
Thank you for all the laughs and forgiving me a whole new vocabulary with which to process
Star Trek.
I also wanted to thank you for teaching me to love the turkeys.
I know that you guys will spend gold out of even the cringiest apps.
All the best, Dan! and Abaville Louisiana.
Thanks, Dan.
This is kind of a tall skinny package, and there's lots of bubble wrap inside.
Ha-ha-ha-ha.
Dan has made piles of mashed potatoes with whisks in them.
Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.
Look at that.
We've got our second set of mashed potato piles with whisks in them.
Amazing!
It looks like Dan found a little miniature like commercially produced whisks to make these.
They're amazing and the mash is made out of some kind of rubber material.
Oh!
So they're kind of jiggly in a fun way.
I will add it to my growing collection of funny mashed potato props. They're kind of jiggly in a fun way. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha So also included at the bottom are cutaway pots. These are shot partly away so that the mashed potato and whisk can sit there in the remains of a pot that's been phased.
Made shot. Excellent.
So there's one for each pile, one for you, one for me, Adam.
Wow. What a great thing.
That rules.
I love our growing collection of potatoes.
Did you ever think in a million years?
Hahaha.
People would be giving us little models of our favorite thing from the best Star Trek movie.
Hahaha.
I just, I can't get over half of that.
It's incredible.
Thank you, Dan.
It's the best part of doing this down show. It's not even close.
It just absolutely rolls. I'm just trying to picture Dan probably heard the episode where we received the other yeah mashed potato models and yeah I hope I hope wasn't
disappointed or sad because I hope it's an inspiration
to everyone yeah you have an idea for how to make a great
little model of mashed mashed potatoes with a whisk and a pot
do it get to the workshop get in Adam, this next one is from David and Miriam and Q Gardens, New York. Q Gardens
famously the location of the courthouse I went when I got arrested for
criminal trespassing on my first music video I directed. Do you think they still
have what you what you carved into the mortar there in the cell you were
kept in?
We used a spoon.
I was not kept in a cell there.
I just had to appear there so that the judge can tell me that my charges were dismissed.
But here's the letter.
Hey Ben and Adam, I'm a children's book author, slash illustrator who loves your show.
Although at first I was a little embarrassed to listen to it, I finally shared it with my
wife and now we're both big fans. It helps that her name is Miriam, and she gets to hear
it spoken by Adam in almost every episode. Anyway, when we heard Ben was going to be a dad,
we just had to send you copies of some of my books. Reading with our kids has been one of the most
special and cuddly experiences of parenthood, so here are some titles to start your library. Adam a couple of
my books are about dogs so you can read to your pooch if the mood strikes you
or maybe you know some kids. Ben may be crumbly poop sleep of being a new dad soon
turned back into a captain's log of wholesome rest. Hehehe. Boy, they really know you with that description.
I, uh, I was texting Adam Ragusea the other day because he talked about paddling a kayak
on the Tennessee River at the end of a recent episode of his podcast and I was like,
that's just such a beautiful mental image.
I love picturing my buddy the goose in a kayak on the Tennessee River and he said, cool,
my mental image of you is sleeping in the way of crumbly poop.
We really need to share better stories about ourselves on the show, right?
Oh boy, we have a great big pile of books here.
We've got Ted and Dad.
We've got interrupting chicken.
Are these children's books?
Yeah, these are all children's books.
Interrupting chicken and the elephant of surprise.
God, your wife's gonna be so upset.
These are not Star Trek ones.
I feel like she thinks these are cool.
Okay, that's good.
Interrupting chicken cookies for breakfast
Hush little bunny ice boy. Don't worry Murray. Oh, these are the dog ones two copies of don't worry Murray
So I guess you get one of those
Oh good
These are great the illustrations are fun and like it seems like David is able to work in lots of different styles
Because these are all very very very different looking, which is really cool.
Thank you so much, David and Miriam.
Wow, thanks a ton, guys.
Hey, wave to that courthouse next time you see it.
Take a picture in front of it.
It sounds like it's a real special place to be.
Ha, ha, ha, ha.
Alright, Adam, last package.
Last one. Look at that thing.
It's huge.
It's from Jen and Josh in Fairbanks, Alaska.
Wow, it came a long way.
Sure did.
Fairbanks, have you been to Fairbanks?
I've never been to Alaska.
Oh man, Alaska is big, but the places I've been really cool.
I went to Juno and Anchorage and they're with neat places.
All right, and we've got a little greeting card here.
I just want to go to Anchorage and watch a bunch of planes take off in land.
Oh, yeah.
I don't want to do. Just do that all day.
This is a greeting card to a typewriter that says, I get you on the piece of paper.
I recognize that card.
Oh, really?
That was one of the maximum fun drive giveaways.
Oh!
That was from a couple years ago.
Nice.
Dear Ben and Annum, thank you so much
for letting me hijack a P1 to propose to my boyfriend
during your Portland show.
Yeah!
Right on.
Your generosity and kindness are overshadowed only
by how fucking funny you are.
Viewing your podcasts or one of the highlights of our week, I hope you enjoy it. Your generosity and kindness are overshadowed only by how fucking funny you are.
Viewing your podcasts or one of the highlights of our week, I hope you enjoy it.
These thank you gifts.
I've been closed.
Two of the best spirits coming out of Alaska.
Alaska doesn't have a lot of people, so we don't always make great stuff.
Alaska good versus actual good, if you will.
Or some major aqua-beat and juniper gin. Oh, and juniper gin. I get it.
Actually good. Great even. Like the best aqua-veet in gin I've ever had.
Also enclosed are a hangover drug diahydrom. My raspberry.
Google it before you take it. Don't trust random people sending you pills.
Finally enclosed. two hot sauces.
We have a hot one's hot sauce subscription, so we are overwhelmed with awesome hot sauces.
And everyone we like gets one whenever they'll take one.
We love you guys, you make our lives better with your funny and your nice.
We'll never forget that night in Portland, you made so special.
Jen, wow! I exchanged a bunch of emails with Jen
to set that up, that P1 in Portland.
That was so fun and cool to be a part of.
And it was especially cool that he said yes.
Okay.
Yeah, what a thrill that night was.
What a cool thing to come all the way to Portland
from Alaska? Yeah. What a cool thing to come all the way to Portland from Alaska.
Yeah.
What a cool thing to have a hot one's hot sauce subscription.
Yeah, no kidding.
Jen has also included a recipe for an aquavit slushy.
Oh, that's right up our alleys right there.
That's love a slushy.
Really right in the numbers.
So the hot sauce is we got our Dawson's hot sauce
and Stargazer hot sauce. Wow. Perfect for us. Hey, you want to do a little dab?
Do a little dab on the mic? Yeah, I'm gonna do the Stargazer hot sauce on the mic because
do I then have to like answer a bunch of interview questions about my career or whatever?
Yeah, welcome to the greatest generation. It's the show with hot Star Trek questions and even hotter sauce.
My childhood best friend was college roommates with the guy that invented hot ones.
Really?
Yeah.
Sean?
No.
Like, Chris Schoenner.
Sean wasn't the inventor of it.
Yeah.
He just hosts it, right?
Wow. Stargazer hot sauce is peacont. John wasn't the inventor of it, he just hosts it right? Wow
Stargazer hot sauce is
Peacant
Is it your experience that the browner the sauce the hotter it is because that's us you just add a sample of like look more brown than orange
Yeah, it's got some it's got that smokiness of like a there's some kind of like aged or smoked pepper in it
Oh, no, that is scotch bonnet and ghost pepper hot sauce my friend
And you just you just poured it you just took basically a kebab of it you just
poured it onto your the webbing between your thumb and your pointer finger and just took it
So we got some acavete that's that's ocavete spelled AK-A-V-I-T for Alaska.
Oh, I get it.
The Ersa Major Distilling Company.
Hey Ben, how do you drink ocavete?
I think ocavete like gin is a essentially a vodka that has herbs infused into it, so the Juno per Gin.
Wow, that's a pretty bottle.
But sure it is, that's from Amulga distillery.
You know the little spin, gotta take it to the dome.
I'm gonna do the Aquevite because I feel like it will...
Oh yeah, put out this flame.
Stand the best chance of knocking back some of the heat
on my palate.
Still feeling it, huh?
Akevit, yeah.
It's kind of anisee.
Oh, right.
Kind of a flavor.
There it goes.
That's delicious.
It's a little bit sweet.
Hmm.
That probably tastes really nice after that hot sauce.
It's a, so this is distilled from cane sugar, which means it's got a rum as a base.
Oh, that means they should spell it a H K A B I T, right?
Yeah, yeah.
No one would do that.
Hmm, I don't think they would.
Wow.
Well, Jen, thank you so much and congrats on your impending, if not already completed
nuptials.
And thanks to everyone that sent stuff in, Adam, we've got a great big episode we need
to get to today.
And I need to pause for a second to clean up my office and take a big swig of cold water.
Wow.
All right.
Let's give you a moment to do that. And then when we come back,
we will be discussing Star Trek Voyager season four episode 11 concerning flight.
Reaver course. Unless you've got something a little bigger in your torpedo doods. I'm not
turning around. It's the triumphant return of Jonathan Rees Davies to the show. Yeah. Indeed.
Happy to see his Leonardo da Vinci character is back
among his house of jack-off machines. He is pissed though. Yeah. There's a
crowd outside yelling up toward his window. Animals he calls them. They're yelling
because his flying machine was a total fraud. He solicited investments from
from normal people with a super bowl ad that was considered very
predatory in retrospect.
Fortune favors the flying machine.
That's what it said at the end.
And this piece of shit glider wouldn't fly.
It was apparently a thing that Janeway and Leonardo da Vinci were in when it crashed off of a bridge
and into the Arno River, Polar.
Yeah, they're both soaking wet.
Sounds great.
You know, like how like masturbation is often like the,
on the cutting edge of technology.
So he was trying to take all of the jack off technology
that he developed and use it for other, you know,
more mainstream things.
I was wet before I hit the river Leonardo.
He is really disappointed in how this hall has gone down and thinks maybe his buddy, Leroy,
out there in France, be a better person to get patronized by.
King of France is a great admirer of mine. The divine Leonardo is all I hear when I walk through history.
This is an interesting conversation they're having
because, I mean, for one, Janeway is soaking wet.
But for two, Janeway is in the position of having to kind of patch
together someone's broken confidence.
Leonardo is like, if fucking sucks here,
I try to do good and important and challenging
work, but I just, I fail on a stage in front of people who hate me, who don't understand what I'm
trying to do, who don't appreciate that I'm taking risks in order to do it. And like, no wonder I've
got all these myrium projects in the back burner that I don't necessarily have the energy to begin.
Like when you're humiliated who wants to even try.
And Jane was like, Leo, let me just put it to you this way.
If you go to France, people will be like, moving your workshop to France is a war crime.
You want to work for the king? He makes the Huguenad go south and sell them into slavery!
He taxed the ability to prosecute his futile wars!
He is a terrible person!
We will cut his head off in a few century!
Yeah.
I don't know if the Huguenads were getting fucked with and the Renaissance probably not right I really couldn't say I'm no student of history at
them. I'm a student of Star Trek. Hey, can I ask a quick question? In the teenage mutant Ninja Turtles song. What is Leo in that song? Leonardo leads done a tello does machines
Michael Angela is the party to LL is cool, but rude Michael Angela is a party dude, so I thought maybe Leo in that song would be like Leo
likes to jack
But there is no like Leonardo da Vinci did not inspire Leo the T. M. N. T
Yeah, I mean he said he was a great swordsman, but other than that all right There's no Leonardo da Vinci did not inspire Leo the T.M. and T.
No, I mean, he was a great swordsman, but others in that.
All right.
Looks good and blue.
Well, that theory didn't hold together.
I'm glad we interrogated that, though.
Me, too.
I thought it was interesting that L.D.V. can feel bangers when they get dropped on the ship.
I thought so too, right?
Not unlike Moriarty, I would say.
Right.
But I feel like Moriarty could feel the bangers
because he was causing them.
Yeah.
I always thought that as long as you were inside a holodeck
or a holo suite, you wouldn't feel the pitches
and rolls of the Voyager.
Yeah.
But he sure does. And he interprets them as earthquakes.
Yeah.
When we come back from the opening credit, Voyager is getting harassed by little tiny
starships that are shooting little bursts of light at their shield, but then they start
shooting these rays that are kind of like, they kind of look like what a tractor beam is often styled to look like
Do you feel like Janeway should have still been wet when she arrived at the bridge?
Yeah, she took her time getting there. I guess change. Yeah, change of uniform dried her hair
She's totally put together. Yeah, no hair continuity on this one. Wow. I mean, she had like a minute and a half
all the credits were rolling, so maybe that was enough time.
It takes us longer to do our hair,
to do that much, especially if it's show night.
That's very true.
Down in engineering, we watch a computer disappear
right out from under BLT's nose,
and she reports up to the bridge
that the warp diagnostic assembly has been lost.
What do you mean lost? It disappeared. Well stuff from all over the ship is disappearing too. We're
cutting around in a bunch of places. Yeah. But what you don't see is the mess hall. Nothing appears
to be stolen from Neelix's kitchen, which is a real shame. No one wants any of that stuff. But they do
get a bunch of cargo and computer equipment and the mobile
emitter and a bunch of other stuff and
Do you think seven reads as a person for the purposes of the story?
Like do you think there was ever a working
Theory that like what if seven or one of the things that got taken in this job or her alcove or something?
Right, but this is kind of a pre-itrama era of Star Trek.
So maybe they don't want to pull Borg's parts out of her.
No. No, that would be bad.
These things that are disappearing are causing problems.
Like the Harrys.
It's very funny. Like Harry's station, the lights are flashing and everything
like looks really fucked up.
But then in wide shots of the bridge, nothing else is flashing.
Yeah.
Like Ops is going absolutely crazy, but nothing else is.
He looks at the nest cam in his room and his clarinet's gone.
Why are they just going after my stuff?
They shoot one of these ships and it blows up and I was like, man, I wonder what stuff
that was stolen was on that ship specifically.
Do they have any way of knowing?
It just explodes in a massive broken bamboo reeds and that little cloth and weight
String you're supposed to use for cleaning out the inside of a clarinet
Damn it
Tova God Damn it They really kind of fire blind because they don't really have any working systems. They read down the list, what do they even have?
If they don't have weapons or propulsion or navigation or the computer, it's amazing
they're still breathing.
Hitting this one guy causes the rest of them to break off the attack and get out of there.
Tom comments that it feels like they just got mugged.
Am I making any sense here?
These are interstellar stick-up kids that they just ran across.
Yeah.
What an interesting idea.
I can't believe we've never encountered an idea like this in Star Trek.
People that just go steal some shit and then bug out.
Great effort, effort to bring you here.
The smash and grab.
I like it.
These ships just walked into a ross,
filled up a bunch of shopping bags, and then just walked out.
And even though, like, property crime is just a vanishingly small slice of the overall crime in the US,
and almost no payroll crimes are ever prosecuted.
Wage theft being more than half of all crime in America.
The news will have you believe that bandits stealing stuff from starships is like the main problem in society right now.
Yeah, fucking propaganda man.
Yeah.
I was waiting for everything to just slow down, weren't you?
Like without a computer core, I was like, great, shit's going to be malfunctioning all
over the place, and that's going to be a major threat of this episode, right?
Doors opening slowly, computers not computing, like they're being a real tax on the system
and work being done on the ship.
No one experiences anything close to that.
For the entire episode it feels like.
Well, almost no one.
They do have a McLaughlin group.
If you want.
When they get on FaceTime with the doctor and he's like,
I don't know how to do anything.
I'm so sad.
I'm so sad in Six Bay.
He's stuck there.
Shut up. You'll live there and you'll like it.
You were just fine there for the first couple of seasons.
Give me a fucking break.
Excuse me.
Harry has given the task of figuring out a way to track these guys.
So he goes down to the...
Astro mechrix.
You know what, how to say it.
I was gonna call it stellar cartography,
but you're right, it's the extra mechrix slab.
Uh-huh.
Why am I talking like I'm wearing a retainer?
Ha ha ha ha ha.
Astro mechrix slab.
I really regret doing that hot sauce, man.
Still feeling it, huh?
Yeah.
You took a pretty big dab, dude. Yeah. You poured like a
nickel sized pool of hot sauce on your, does your finger hurt? Does your hand hurt? Where you
poured it? No, that's fine. Hey, you're gonna want to make sure you don't touch that part of your
hand to your hose. Your hose or anyone else's hose? Yeah Yeah, well that's why the back of the hand is a good test candidate for a substance like that.
Coffee.
Black coffee.
Make it, make it, make it yourself.
Hey Adam, speaking of people being spicy, 7 of 9 is none too pleased that Harry is entering
her workspace.
Hey, you know what I would be upset about? Anyone talking to me this close?
Him is three inches from Seven's nose for a good part of this conversation.
It looked like he was like trying to slide behind her, but I don't think that there's anything
for him to be sliding in between her and like there's no reason for him to
have walked this close. No, yeah, which kind of makes me wonder if there's still a crush happening
there. Yeah. She thinks about a bowling pinning him again, but there isn't a security guy behind him
to also knock over, so she decides not to. Not worth it if she can't get two for one. Yeah.
She is the unwilling recipient of some advice
that he has to give about how to live and work with people. You've got to learn how to phrase
things a little more diplomatically. And she isn't trying to hear that. She is like, if you've
got time to give advice, you've got time to clean. And she's been working on this for hours.
Like, yeah, it's coming down like some Johnny come lately with orders from the captain to find the planet where all their technology went
And she's like I'm way ahead of you. Yeah, I'm on her side for sure. Yeah, fuck off Kim
It reminds me of being in the world
Get out, Harry.
Who are you?
Harry Kim
Parents must be very proud. Who are you?
They come as come as a pair. Who are you?
Harry Kim, who else is she supposed to get chummy with? Harry Kim and your mom, a pair. Who are you? Harry Kim. Who else is she supposed to get chummy with?
Harry Kim.
And you're mocked.
Very proud.
Who are you?
Harry Kim.
Chummy.
And you're mocked.
Harry Kim.
Who are you?
Harry Kim.
So they pull up to this planet.
And this planet is very dusty looking from space, but they're talking about it being
kind of a busy place
commerce-wise. There's lots of different types of aliens in orbit and on the surface and
there's cities all over the place and people sell all kinds of stuff here.
It's taken 10 days to get here. Yeah. It seems like a long time.
It's a little elliptical at it for sure. It's like they had air tags on other shit and they followed it all to like one traphouse
except they have no backup and no weapons and no defenses. At what point did you think that
this was a terrible idea because for me it was right here. There seems to be lots and lots of
aliens here and they never even discussed like is there like a central authority that we could appeal to? Right. Or anything like that.
They never go for justice.
They just go for undercover away team justice.
Yeah.
So they're picking up Federation signatures on a couple of different continents.
So they're going to split up two different away teams go undercover to find their shit.
They discuss getting the computer processor back and the emergency rations.
Really? That's the priority, not the mobile emitter, not the guns.
Never even brought up. What the fuck? Gotta keep those rations out of enemy hands.
Yeah, the rations. That's the most important thing. So we get an establishing shot of this planet. It's it's planet Southern California. Again.
Sure is. We're in a one of our classic Star Trek indoor outdoor, bizarre alien bazaars.
I love the sequence of going like then it is agreed. We will go undercover and then we cut to
the planet's surface and undercover just means a clothing change.
Yeah.
Give Tuvak a mustache.
Give the captain a beagle-puss.
Anything, choosing not to have fun with this?
Bad choice.
Yeah, don't like it.
So they're scanning around.
They're not getting a lot of usable information.
They're start fleet signatures, but they're not able to localize them.
But then who should walk in,
but Leonardo da Vinci,
from the Holodec program?
Katarina,
Kim Marvia,
Uncle Mayway,
Uncle Mayway Scoozie.
This is one of many scenes when L.D.V.
is just yelling his full head off
from across a town square.
He has no chill at all.
Yeah, not under the impression that it would be a good idea to slow his role.
Yeah.
He's wearing the mobile emitter and he believes that he has come to America.
Right.
This must be what America is like.
I mean, it's it's capitalism writ large.
I guess it is, yeah.
So yeah, he doesn't totally understand it.
He thinks that he must have been bonked on the head
by some spaniards and taken here or something.
But with his hat and his robes,
he kind of blends in with the locals.
Yeah, his Santa Claus looking ass.
Yeah.
And they believe in Santa Claus.
I already have a job lined up at the locals ball this December.
And Russian trombone for my grandpa.
Rusty trombone for your grandpa.
He mentions this prince of the city that he's working for.
And that really gets your attention.
Who the hell is this prince that's using LDV like this?
Yeah.
He's been here five minutes, he's already got a patron.
Yeah, and he like spots a guy across the way
and he's like, oh, I don't know, buy that plasma injector,
conduit with for some reason this money that I have
after being here for 10 days.
You really hit the ground running, didn't he?
You sure did.
I mean, I guess his patron must have given him some, uh,
some folded money, some wham, as it were.
I mean, the crew has been going on away missions and being unable to figure
out how currency works for the entire series.
Yeah.
And LDV gets on scene and he like, he just gets it.
He gets to do it.
He's used to working with currency.
He comes from a currency based society.
That's right, that's why.
Yeah.
That's why.
So he's just a pig and shit.
There are so many times in this episode though,
where I was like, what they should do is turn off
the mobile emitter, put it in their pocket,
and then go find the rest of their stuff.
Yeah.
The mobile emitter, you know, the priceless object
of which there is only one.
This episode over and over again finds a way to explain that away.
But it's always after.
It entered my head so many times, like turn it off, grab it and walk.
The suggestion that LDV is in any way more useful to them or their mission than a functional
doctor who can go anywhere is crazy.
But there's a scene where like,
TuVac and Janeway get into a little bit of argument
about that very thing.
Right.
She really believes in his utility
in a way that he can't possibly understand.
Yeah, so he's like going...
You'll never know what happens during these programs, Tuvak
The door locks from the inside this bodice may not be ripped now, but just you wait
LDV is off buying something after telling them that the prince is as ruthless as a as a Borja and
Tuvak quickly sets his phaser to a rotating frequency setting just in case.
Yeah.
And DaVinci takes them to his workshop, which is kind of the future mad scientist version
of the workshop he has in the holodeck on Voyager.
He's totally psyched about this and why wouldn't he?
The old place is a fucking dump.
And this place is cool as hell.
He even has a dust buster just laying around on the table.
Yeah.
That's neat.
Check it out, man.
Anything you guys want, who got anything you want to do?
Another moment when I thought it would have been smart
to just turn him off because like Janeway picks up
the dust buster, he's like, no, no, don't touch that. And it buster and say no don't touch that and it's like yeah don't touch it it's mine. Let me demonstrate on this giant pot of mashed potatoes.
That's when the alarm goes off and they all get arrested and that's the end of the episode.
Did someone fire off a phaser? Yeah, Tao tells them you can't fire an unauthorized phaser in a lab.
And an alien arms dealer's research in the Taliban lab.
Back on Voyager, Nielix and Paris are back
from their portion of the mission that we don't see.
We only see the aftermath,
which is the dope on the table portion
of their investigation.
We put a lot of fucking dope on the table.
A lot of it.
And not only is there dope on the table
There's dope on this guy's body because the guy they brought there is wearing a uniform under his clothes
It's so cool. I yeah, he's got some other ball tricks or something over it
But yeah, he he decided that a Starfleet uniform was a Luke he wanted to adopt and I love it
They want him to like roll, you know
They're like give up up whoever you copped from
and we'll let you go.
And he's like, am I under arrest here?
And they're like, no.
And he's like, all right, we'll peace.
Yeah.
He's like, lawyer, motherfucker.
But yeah, he does wind up rolling,
giving up the name of Tao,
who is the guy that jacked them for all their stuff.
And for this, they let him go with the fucking phaser rifle.
They've been so protective of these things.
I don't understand this decision.
I don't either.
And it's obvious that these are way better phaser rifles
than are available here because you keep seeing people
carrying them.
But at the same time, if Tao let a dustbuster go to LDV's workshop and just hang out there,
maybe it isn't an item of great worth.
Maybe it is a thing that they have comparable versions of to where its value would be, you
know, just average.
The cat is out there.
And that's not after being the logic.
Like they, like, if they've got it,
they've been able to scan it.
They have transporter records of it.
They can rebuild them.
Right.
I mean, the other thing I thought was maybe they beam him back
down and do that thing that disables the weapon in transfer.
Oh, yeah.
He'd be so pissed about that.
Yeah.
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On the servers, we finally meet Tao.
Yeah.
And he's doing some real salesmanship with a dude who looks like he's in slipknot.
I feel like more aliens should look like they're in slipknot.
That would really work.
Yeah.
It's good stuff.
He's a shrewd business man.
He doesn't take a lowball offers for what he sells. He sells really good weapons. Yeah.
And he's telling this guy like, yeah, you've got a lot of diligent species in the sector you come
from. Be a shame if I had to sell all these dangerous weapons to those guys. Yeah, you don't want
that, do you? Yeah. It's the hard sell, it's what it is.
I think you'll pay my price.
You don't want me to sell it to them.
Someone like me, would sure, would sure
it shit by all that stuff.
This was like in the same courtyard as before,
but it's at night and it sort of seems like
it's a party almost.
Yeah, what's going on there?
I don't know, like it feels like they're trying,
maybe trying to sell it is not being the same courtyard,
but it's super is because it has the same like big green
set piece in the background and stuff.
I mean, the similarities don't end there.
We get another scene of L-D-V yelling at them
from across the entire courtyard.
Yeah, yeah.
So their presence seems to be acceptable.
He really wants them to meet somebody.
And so Tuvac is sent on a mission of distracting L.D.V.
by making small talk.
Vulcans do not make small talk.
Improvise.
What Tuvac decides to do is just gas this dude up.
Tell him how impressive and smart he seems to be.
You are most intriguing
I thought for sure Janeway would be like go distract ldv with small talk and we'll never see what
that's like but sure is shit the camera follows two valken ldv for like several minutes doing this
yeah it drove me nuts there are several cultures who actually prefer that their body temperature is identical to the temperature of the room in which they are standing
Too about tells L.D.V. that he's from Scandinavia. Yeah, and L.D.V. describes his experiences in this new world. We learn nothing here. It's nothing. I'm like finally
We're getting Janeway
kind of seducing Tao
Yeah into giving her a demo of this computer. He's selling enjoying yourself
She's posing as like a purchasing agent for a colony that needs a powerful computer and he's like well
I just happen to have something like that and he starts talking to that green thing on the wall
And it's got major bear it computer voice. He slaps the hood at the, and it's got Nigel Barrett computer voice.
He slaps the hood at the computer,
and he's like, this thing really computes.
Hahaha.
It's crazy that there's no demonstration of computing power.
It's basically the click on the Apple symbol,
and then click about this computer.
Hahaha.
The voice simulation, it's perfection.
I wondered if somebody that was smarter about like processing power could decipher this
and tell us whether this is an actually impressive computer or not.
Oh, it is.
Yeah.
So the computer says in this scene that it's capable of...
Transluminal processing at 575 trillion calculations per nanosecond.
Interesting.
So if you do the equivalency there, it's 575 zeta flops.
Or about 9 quadrillion times the processing power of the 300 megahertz Pentium 2 processor, which was
the fastest desktop processor of the time of this episode.
Man, that's cool.
I wonder if they like Miller's law that like figured out what the computers of this time
would be capable of just based on the trajectory of increasing computer power.
They did, Ben.
Really?
Because under Moore's law, oh Moore's law, not Miller's. They did, Ben. Really? Because under Moore's law,
Oh, Moore's law, not Miller's,
God, fucking dammit!
I'm gonna get so much shit
from the nerds online for that.
This computational power
would take only 65 years
to be achievable in the real world
because Moore's law is about
doubling processor power every 18 months.
Yeah.
By the way, has that held true?
Are we still doubling every 18 months?
I feel like they hit a wall about 10 years ago.
And it's not anymore.
It's not a thing.
I mean, it's still getting better.
I mean, isn't it?
Look around, it's getting better all the time.
Yeah.
Look at how great it is.
Ha ha ha ha ha.
As each day is better than the next.
I mean, we're recording this in June.
It's gonna come out in August.
By the time this comes out, the world will be even better than it is now.
We both may have the new computers that we've been
that have been on back order for like several months.
But the good news is, my computer's no longer smoking.
I don't know why. I'm not gonna ask a lot of questions. But the good news is my computer's no longer smoking.
I don't know why.
I'm not gonna ask a lot of questions.
Yeah.
Probably something that more did.
It doesn't seem like Janeway's willing to trade a warship for this.
Too high a price.
But here's a question.
What is Tao's definition of warship?
Because you take a look at those little guys, those Pipsqueakhips that shot them up and transported all the stuff off of them earlier.
Those didn't seem that great.
Is a Brat-style Shuttle a warship to them?
Like, because it has a warp drive and it's got armaments?
I mean...
Like, would a Shuttlecraft do it?
Is my question.
And would she consider that trade?
The problem is that the brat is so affordable.
Just how am I saying your money, buster?
Right.
Yeah, street value isn't high enough.
Yeah, yeah.
So she's going to see if she can come up with or equivalent.
She heads back to Da Vinci's lab where Tuvac is hanging out and they're talking about where
this computer could be kept because it's not, it was like remote that he was accessing it. So it
must be somewhere in the vicinity of the town that they're in, but it's not right here.
And Da Vinci has drawn up a bunch of like hand drawn maps of the area and Tuvac is super impressed
with these. These maps couldn't be improved TuVoc is super impressed with these.
These maps couldn't be improved upon by Voyager's topographical computer.
It's crazy, like the camera starts facing TuVoc and then it kind of floats around so you
can see what's been drawn there.
Yeah.
And you guessed it, Ben.
It's dick butt.
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Two-block does a really fun thing is he just kind of turns LDV to pause by hitting his
little hollow emitter.
He needs to have a private conversation with Jane White here.
And two-blocks like look, we both need to go up to the ship.
We need to get these maps scanned.
We need to get these maps scanned. We need to get these dickbutts scanned. And some
sort of combination between the dickbutt pictures and the tricorder measurements are going
to allow us to find where the computer is actually. And anyways, like, that sounds like
a one person job. Why don't you beam up to the ship with the dickbutts and the tricorder
and leave me down here with L.D.V. He's one of the greatest creative minds in Earth's history.
Tuvak agrees to this, calls up to the ship and beams up, and he's got the look on his face
of, this is a bunch of fucking bullshit, but you're the captain.
I mean, LDV as a look of what the hell just happened when he gets his button pushed again
and Tuvak bucks to straight gone.
Where'd that guy with the ear go?
Where did my dick butt pictures go?
I just saw them here, Catarina.
There's coffee and your beautiful painting.
The question on everyone's mind at this point
in the episode, something that I've been distracted by
from the start is how the doctors doing.
Yeah, how is he doing?
How is he doing being trapped in six bay?
Well, the answer is not good because when seven's in there getting like routine maintenance,
he's like, you gotta tell me about what happened in the mess hall.
Spill the tea, seven.
He is aching to know what happened there.
Seven has the most tea, but she's also the person that is least excited about spilling
the tea.
She's not impressed with her own tea at all.
She has high tea.
Yeah.
It's not a big deal, Doc.
Seven had a fight with BLT and BLT called her a bunch of bad names.
Yeah.
That seven, I guess, will translate if Doc really needs that to get up over the top,
which he clearly does. Yeah, I mean it's pretty ugly, right? Polana used the A word to refer to
seven. Yikes. And I'm surprised that one or both of them are not on biopads, interaction after this fight.
I thought they were getting along.
I know.
What happened?
Come back whenever you feel like talking.
I'll be right here, all by myself.
Too bad calls are down to astromatrix
and they work on scanning in these maps
and then they're doing like the Google Earth.
I mean, I feel like we didn't know Google Earth at this time,
but like the satellite imagery of the buildings and zooming in on where the thing is was a
cool image at the time. Pretty neat. Yeah. I like this room. Kind of feels like we're
going to be here a bunch in the seasons ahead. Yeah. This is a big build out. They built
a whole new set. Mm-hmm. The sink going set. They spent two episodes with Harry and
Seven building this thing. They're not going to not use it.
Did it look to you like there was like a Borg's wall hanging on the wall? There's some
weird, just like a little stripe of HR Geaker going up the wall. Go ahead and decorate it
with some personal item seven. I mean, they right, that it's like a merger of Federation and Borg's technology.
Yeah.
So just the dab of that makes sense, I guess.
It would, yeah.
All right.
So they figured out what building the computer's processor
is in.
Seven probably really appreciates the normal distance,
two-vac stands, in order to do the work
that they need to do together.
It finds it logical. Yeah. He's not pushing up on that ass. Right. This is a problem, though,
because they draw a circle around the building where the computer core is in, but there's
some sort of scattering field around it that makes it so that no one can beam in or out. Yeah.
So what do they do about this? It turns out that like Janeway needs to be the one
to get inside the building and then set the computer
to overload so that they can lock onto it
with a transporter.
They're radioing this down to her
that this is gonna be a boots on the ground operation
and she's receiving this when Tao walks into the room
and is like, I overheard everything.
You gotta do better than this, Janeway.
Yeah, make sure that the door is locked to the lab before you transmit code up to your
ship. Yeah. And Tao is really taking great umbrage with this whole scene.
It's like, I thought I could trust you, LDV. I financed this whole operation.
I could trust you, L.D.V. I financed this whole operation. Yeah, but L.D.V. walks up behind him with like a fire extinguisher and bonks him on the head.
You hit someone on the head with a fire extinguisher? They die.
Yeah, she like checks his pulse at his neck and she's like he's gonna be fine.
As long as no one touches the back of his head, which has been completely shattered,
it seems like plausibly he would
survive this. You weren't there, L.D.V. but DeGaren did something very similar to all the members
of his crew in that episode a few times ago when that hollow man was bonking people with a hammer.
A hammer, a smaller and less lethal item than a fire extinguisher.
He does not want to go with her.
He's like, look, I mean, I'm just going to take your word for it.
I did not kill this person on the ground, but he is also the person who's bankrolled this
entire operation.
Kind of feel like this is a better place for me than where I came from.
So you get gotta leave me.
It's another one of those moments where I was like, there is a justification on this episode
for why she needs him to take her to the facility and show her a way in, but none of that
is revealed until later.
And so I'm just sitting here watching it going like, why are you arguing with the fucking
character from your novel? I'm just sitting here watching it going like, why are you arguing with the fucking character
from your novel, turn him off,
get the fucking emitter and go to the place.
Yeah.
It was a very frustrating experience
because I was like,
the episode kept justifying the shit retroactively
after I spent like five minutes yelling at the TV about it.
If you can just put a person in your pocket
instead of having an argument with
them, you do it every time, especially when the person isn't a person, especially when
you're the captain. So she finally like talks him into it, gets him like emotionally on
her side. If you get that enough for you, I will go. They're going gonna go do the raid or whatever.
But yeah, it's very, very silly.
And the only way that they can track
what's going on from the ship is for some reason,
the hollow emitter.
Did Janeway not take her combat badge back from Tao?
Yeah, Tao ripped it off of her chest
and then I guess fell on it. or maybe what I think happened is Tao
Had the combat in his hand and then he was touching the back of his head when Leonardo da Vinci smashed his skull with that
Fire extinguisher and then it just broke is Tao's species a kind of marsupial where they have a little pocket on the back of their head
Where they keep their young and he put the the communicator in there for safe keeping.
Yeah, he head-keestered it.
But everybody keeps their genitals
in the same place, Captain.
I think it's weird you never see the back of Tows Head, right?
We could have seen the head-keester.
That would have been nice, yeah.
You know what, this is a family program though.
Right, but it would also have gone some way,
Tard like, Janeway could have put her hand, oh, unfortunately, my
communicator's destroyed, but fortunately, it blunted the
blow from that. That's right, it saved his life. It's like, it's
like the Bible and the breast pocket that stops a bullet in a
Western. Yeah. Exactly. So they go to this facility, they sneak around,
they find the door because it's like in the shade
the part of the building.
Can I just say I love this field trip for the show?
Like I love going to an industrial refinery area
and like and wandering around here.
This is big fun.
It is big fun, it's very cool.
And they do a good job.
Like they did a little digital effect to make it look like there was some kind of weird windmill at the top of the building
I love it how Janeway is like we'll never find the door
How would we even know where to look and LTV is like well?
It's very difficult to shoot in this mixed-light atmosphere. I think we I think the best place we can go is
A place where we can control the light and shadow.
Yeah.
For instance, that door over there.
So, in they go, they're sneaking around.
We need to help out production.
We need our adventure.
Yeah.
All of Tao's guards are indistinguishable from Tao, and there are a lot of them.
They're walking around with rifles.
They get to the heart of this building, and they find just like a treasure truck.
They find everything.
I was like, oh man, what they got to do
is shut off this scattering field
and do to tau what tau did to them.
Get all of this shit out of there.
That's what I thought.
And take tau shit too while they're at it.
Yeah, take all of it.
Take everything the whole building.
Fuck tau.
Beam the building into space and haul it away with a tractor beam.
Those little Pipsqueak ships are going to think twice before shooting on Voyager when they see a giant
warehouse being dragged in space. So on the ship they detect the power surge, the cathode gets the
processor going, but the Tao bad guys start shooting at them in the warehouse. And so they've got
to like duck and they're not in the confinement beam when the processor beams up.
I must have an explanation. And this is when LTV start tapping a real like existential crisis
because he sees one of these phaser beams like go right through him because he's a hollow
and he's like starting to do the math on maybe I'm not real maybe I'm a spirit or something.
He's shooting through you. Where did he go? He's right behind you.
Gateway hit him in the back of the head where he keeps his little marsupial pouch.
This really melts LDV's mind. He is not a great partner on this mission. Henceforth.
Again, would be a great opportunity to turn him off and use the site to site
transfer to get out of there. If he could be a plausible human shield,
you could see the utility for him. He's a large mass. Yeah. He could block a
weapons fire ideally, but because he's just a
hollow man, because he's a hollow man, he's not blocking shit. She leaves her
tricorder behind in using the site-to-site transporter to get them out of
there. Another piece of material that I just would not leave in the hands of
somebody like Tao. Is this a bad Janeway episode? I think it kind of is. I feel
like there's a long list here. Up on the ship right after L.D.V. and Janeway episode. I think it kind of is. I feel like there's a long list here. Up
on the ship right after L.D.V. and Janeway get out of the warehouse. Ken reports that
13 of these little nat ships are coming up from the surface to attack them. So it's really starting
to get touch and go here. And the captain and DaVinci are like walking around in Runyon Canyon or something.
LTV is an old man though.
Like this doesn't look easy for him and he's wearing those
thick robes.
Look lady, get off my back.
I'm an old man.
What's harder?
Brock Peters at the desert or LTV in Runyon Canyon?
I mean the desert has got to be worse but at least Brock
Peters wasn't wearing robe on robe.
Yeah, Jonathan Reeves Davies isn't like a burlap sack with a corduroy sack on top of it.
There's no measurable amount of powder that could overcome the sheer number of robes that
LVB is wearing in this environment.
And the like glued on beard and wig.
He must have been miserable.
At least Brock Peters didn't have that. Wow. Yeah, you know what?
I think you've convinced me. Brock Peter's had it easy out in the desert. That's what you're trying to say. Yeah, I guess I guess that's the case
I'm
I don't know what season this was shot in. Yeah, they don't look that sweaty. Maybe it was a nice day. Yeah, maybe it was winter for spring. Again, Janeway has to like convince
Da Vinci to get on board with the plan. And the way she does that is by
convincing him of the limits of his own mind. Yeah. He's got the mind of a
sparrow, Adam. Perhaps one day my people will travel above
this guy's. The magic trick of this moment is that
LTV isn't insulted by the story that came out to us.
Try to imagine me spitting ground up worms into your mouth
because that's how you eat.
If by magic trick, you mean like it's the kind of thing
of like look at my thumb coming away from the joint
kind of magic trick.
Like, that's what we're talking about here.
Was Leonardo da Vinci historically known as someone with the sort of intelligence that was like
very specific in that he can draw amazing things and make flying machines, but what was like
dumb and every other aspect of his life? Yeah, he sucked at Excel, you know.
Right.
Couldn't keep a calendar to save his life.
We're still uncovering all the dick butts.
That LDV Drew, the course of his life.
I mean, that's probably why Bill Gates bought his notebooks so that he could conceal all the dick butts
from the public's knowledge.
So this is good enough to get LDV to keep moving.
Finally, and up on the ship BLT tells Shikote that like everything's been patched back in.
I think all of our systems are five by five at this point. And so the deal is they need to bring
the ship in range to do the transport. They're doing this while they're under attack by these 13
attack ships. Boydard never seems to return fire in this entire sequence. Why?
Why?
What's the upside of not returning fire?
It seems just a fire.
They're being attacked.
They're being shot at.
Defend yourself.
They're trying to block their access to their captain.
And like, you can't beam somebody up if your shields are up,
so eliminate the threat so that you can drop your shields to do the transport.
Maybe not a good chicoete episode either.
Maybe at them.
It's just not a good episode.
Pfff.
So when Janeway and L.D.V. make their way toward the summit of this hill that they've been climbing,
they find a great bird, a great model bird, a hang glider, really.
And it's wings are in the shape of two dick butts.
You've made some improvements.
The aerodynamics of the dick butt is certain to lift this craft off the ground.
Janeway is not wildly confident in this thing initially, but she does kind of a walk around and goes down a checklist and becomes
confident that it's actually worth a shot. It's at least better than getting murdered by these bad guys that are shooting rifles at them.
Kate Mulgroves takes here throughout our one of a
person playing a character who is just delighted at being around a hero figure.
Yeah.
And so when they arrive at this glider, she seems like enthusiastic about taking the ride
because she's a fan.
Yeah.
It's almost as if the mission has just fallen away in terms of priority.
I wonder if they thought about trying to show them crashing off the bridge, like, at the
beginning, because I feel like this would have felt a lot more high stakes if we'd
seen them eating shit the first time they tried one of his machines.
Well, I think when we see this machine actually fly, that is the reason we don't want to see it fly
ever at any other point. They roll down the hill and go off like a ramp and it's some real like bed knobs and broomsticks
playing effects.
The reason the effect doesn't work is because it's too fast. This glider shouldn't be going as fast as it does.
It really moves.
I think if they slowed it down, it would be plausible.
Yeah.
Town and his henchmen watch in awe what their jaws on the floor.
Yeah, because they've never seen anything fly.
I guess not.
And so Kim is able to beam the whole kitten caboodle up into the cargo bay.
Town looks up at the glider and he's like,
that stupid son of a bitch did it.
He was in that workshop drawing nothing but dick butts.
Look at that guy.
He did it.
Wow.
Respect.
I mean, game-recognized game.
I don't even have the heart to shoot him.
There goes a real one right there. Janeway is so happy.
Yeah.
Right and shotgun on this thing, right?
Cheers.
The button on the episode is, uh, they got most of their stuff back and Janeway goes and
visits DaVinci and his workshop and he's packing his shit.
He is really done with Florence and after his great experiences in the new world, he's ready to move to France.
He's gonna go hang out with Leroy. See if he can't build a mechanical woman who lives in a box.
Kippin' like!
That'd be fun. Everyone likes that. Everyone.
Damn. So is this the end of this character? Is he out of 5,000 for real? I feel like when the captain walks you out,
that's the suggestion.
It's pretty definitive, right?
Yeah. If he just went and went to France,
I'd be like, all right, well,
he thinks he's leaving Janeway,
but this holiday program is going to follow him around
wherever he goes.
Yeah, or she could just rewind it a little bit
and start over
where he doesn't get beamed down to a weird planet. Yeah. Yeah. Feels like the end. I'm
gonna miss him. I'm gonna miss that stupid cent of a bitch. Yeah, there goes a real one
at him. Did you like this episode? Yes, it's true! You know, it's more the U.S.S.D. or the U.S.
Captain the Captain.
You know, it's more the U.S.S.
or the U.S.
I think you could have fixed this episode
by having the entire thing.
And by that, I mean, including the Voyager stuff,
be contained within the program.
Yeah.
Because there are so many strange decisions
that Janeway makes as Captain that seem loaded up with a
Spirit of adventure feeling instead of a
Serious captain doing captain work trying to recover a bunch of shit that her crew needs to survive
Like when you list off the things that have gone missing
It's a mission killing almost extinction level event for the crew to lose all this stuff and yet
It's never treated with that amount of seriousness like they are basically dead in the water without the shit
They need to survive and make it home and no one really puts it in those terms. It's just like well
We had a bad breakup and now all my clothes are out on the lawn and we've got to go pick it up
Yeah, it's like that amount of seriousness that's loaded up with. And I feel like
a non-serious episode, great. Give me one of those a season like we usually do, but contain it
in a way, contain it in the holiday universe and that it was uncontained. I think really weakened
the episode as it was. Like I like seeing Janeway happy doing her LDV shit, but it lessened her as a captain.
To be in it for the thrill
over all of the other concerns.
What about you?
I think that this episode is just a mess
because a lot of the crucial information
is out of order with the decisions being acted on
with that information.
Yeah.
So the characters like look dumb,
and then you retroactively go like,
oh, I guess if that's true That's not like that dumb a decision
But you can get away with that maybe once in an episode where you like retroactively justify
Something that seemed dumb at the time like this episode is just riddled with shit like that
And I think it just needed to like be kind of reordered almost to make it work
I think the premise is really interesting
of the Smash and Grab.
I think that the environment is really interesting.
I love some of the production choices.
I generally liked the performances.
I just think that the script was a fucking mess.
Yeah, the Smash and Grab introduction to it
was cool as hell.
If they had just made it about LDV
and not about the rest of the gear,
I think that's a way to fix it.
That's a way to fix the stakes,
because if you're just trying to get him back
or the docs hollow emitter,
it doesn't feel as existential of a threat
to be without all of the shit you need to survive.
Right, and then the lightness of the episode
actually makes sense.
Yeah. Yeah. Well,
an interesting episode, but not a good one, let's say. Yeah, I think I agree. Well, Adam,
do you want to see if there's any interesting priority one messages in the inbox? I would jump
off of a bridge into a river to read these P1s, Ben. Wow. Priority one message from star fleet coming in on secured channel
Need a supplement on top of the
supplement
Yeah, it's extra for the interest alone could be enough to buy this ship
Starting with our first one it's from
gimbal, zoke, token, egghead, carry, and tirig
Now we ask for pronunciations for all our P1s,
none are given, so that's what you get.
Yeah, none for that totally strange list of names.
This message is for Donovan, and the message goes like this.
Congratulations on your marriage.
Whoa.
May you and she, who is now your wife, travel safely, do many conferences on the Shuttle
Brunhilda.
We continue to thank Jana for handing you over to us every Tuesday night.
I just hope that you don't call her by the wrong name at the wedding.
You might get your tongue cut out for that sort of thing.
Whoa.
You requested date for this was August 6th, So this is almost right on top of that.
I love it.
Congratulations, Donovan and Jana.
Yeah, keep that tongue in your mouth.
Say the right name.
Except during the wedding kiss, then I think it's probably
OK to slip a little tongue.
Get a little bit of tongue involved.
Not too much.
Come on, grandma's watching.
Yeah.
Adam, our next priority one message
is from your two bestest buds, and it is two.
Chuck the hammer.
The hammer.
It was like this.
Happy birthday, something like six months late, from your besties.
We got this for you for the big 40, but we also expect for it to air sometime during
your 50th if TGG says true to form.
Ouch.
You are the best friend of DeSoto.
We could hope to have and we love you.
Well you're two best of spuds.
Tough but fair.
Yeah.
And that pronouncement, this date was requested back in June.
Yeah.
Mid-June.
Mid-June.
But we got there.
You know, we got to you.
Yeah.
Not six months late, not a 10 years late.
A regular number of days late.
You know what, check the hammers
probably still celebrating their big 4-O.
That's probably a several month or deal.
Yeah, I'm just saying maybe your two bestest buds
could take a page from the playbook
of Glimbal, Zoke, Token, Egghead, Gary, and Tyrigue. Indeed. If you'd like to take a page from the playbook of Glimbal, Zoke, Token, Egghead, Gary and Tyrig.
Indeed.
If you'd like to take a page from the playbook of Glimbal, Zoke, Token, Egghead, Gary and Tyrig,
head to Maximumfund.org slash Jembo, Tron.
Get yourself a P1.
We'd sure appreciate it.
Yeah, you know why?
They help the ongoing production of this show.
Oh yeah, I guess they do.
You know, I've made it easy to get along with production of this show. Oh yeah, I guess they do. You know, I'm really easy to get along with most of the time.
But I don't like bullets, I don't like friends, and I don't like you.
Stay in.
What's that, Adam?
Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda?
Drunk Shimoda!
Hmm, I think I'm gonna have to give it to the captain.
It seems like she's having a great time.
She's having the most fun, but it also does feel kind of nutty at many turns and hard to justify.
So yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and give it to her. How about you?
Same. I can't describe her the way that I have this entire episode and not make her my Shimoda.
She's putting fun at the top of the list. And that's great ordinarily, but not when you're missing your entire computer core.
Yeah.
Just think of the tax documents, that think in process.
Think of the little folder of horny photos
sent in by a friend of DeSoto.
I mean, we know how many Terra flopsic in process,
but how many Terra ropes can it make?
We more than we could even count.
Indeed.
Well, that just about does it for that
episode, Adam. But the real question on my mind is how the next episode we review is
gonna go. Do you want to head over to goch.bizslashgame? Well, I tell you about season 4 episode
12, Mortal Coil? Do it. Nelix is killed during an away mission, but is revived using the five board technology.
Shit.
I wish you just read, hey, let's take that again
with you just reading the first part.
Okay, this is take two on episode description.
Okay.
Nielix is killed during an away mission. Hurray! Okay. Duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh, duh pulsing happily on the face of square 17. Yeah.
Just one square ahead is a quarks bar,
and a couple squares past that is the,
his eyes uncovered square where we both trade
to Mary and Style Metaphors back in fourth
the entire episode, and then a couple squares past that,
a banger.
You're required to learn as you play roles.
So kind of a lot can happen on this role. Don't fuck with me, game. A banger. You're required to learn as you play. Roll.
So kind of a lot can happen on this roll.
Don't fuck with me, game.
Roll that, man.
Tula!
Did I win?
Harvey.
And I have rolled a five, which is wiggled its way over and around the two special squares
landing us on square 22,
then it's a regular old episode next week.
Man, we're up on that third row.
Where we belong?
That's it, I think.
Very fun.
We're gonna give Nielix's death,
the solemn seriousness that it deserves.
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Yeah.
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With that, we will be back at you next week with another great episode of Star Trek Voyager
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