The Greatest Generation - Generally Human (S1E6)

Episode Date: February 10, 2016

When the Enterprise crew throws the keys to the ship to The Traveler, he drives it farther out than its ever been before. That is not cool to Captain Picard, who wants to go home immediately. That bit of engineering would be a whole lot easier for The Traveler if he didn't also have lobster-hands. Finally, Ben makes an embarrassing admission about his relationship to Wesley that could change our view of him forever. It's the episode where we finally realize our potential as the two Beethovens of podcasting!

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the Next generation. Ben has other wildly popular podcasts about far cooler subjects, and I'm just happy to be with him. Ben Harrison. Yeah, you know, on average, my podcast thing isn't as embarrassing as, you know, you would think it might be from a sample of only this show. I've got to ask you because you're like you're the professional around here of both of us like we're on episode five right now. Is it pledge drive time? Calling me a professional is a very generous mistatement given that I have never been paid to cast a pod. I was promised payment, so this is awkward.

Yeah, I don't know who said that to you, but we will not be able to honor contracts that were written. Welcome to the final episode of the greatest generation. I'm your host host Adam Pranaka All right, so this is Where no one has gone before episode five This might be the only episode

That actually as a title Pull pulled straight from the intro, right? Yeah, there's a, and there's also an eponymous line from data in this episode, which pretty rare to have it happen. I mean, obviously, it happens a lot in the episode Darmock, but... it happens a lot in the episode Darmock. But... You speak, of course, of the special three-hour podcast episode that we're already planning for the episode of Darmock. Darmock will be a very special episode. Podcast, our microphones burn.

Yeah, I like this episode. I think we're on a good trend so far from the really low lows of episodes two and three. Now we're here in episode five, starting to see some of the potential of the series. So what's happening here is the enterprise is meeting up with another federation ship to onboard a Whart Propulsion expert from Starfleet named Mr. Kaczynski and his pajama-clad pale assistant who doesn't really introduce himself. I guess he says his name is not pronounceable by humanoids. Yeah, they both kind of big dog,

Ryker in different ways, right, when they've been on board. Ryker kind of comes down to the transporter room with a chip on his shoulder because he doesn't like Kaczynski's ideas and he thinks that it's a bunch of bullshit. Which is, I came as a surprise to me as a veteran watcher of Star Trek, the next generation that Riker had

any technical knowledge at all of word propulsion. Sure, I think we're fairly certain his expertise is in in a holiday design. It's certain other kind of propulsion. Yeah. All kind of propulsion. All forms of pumping. Yeah. So they, they, they go down the transporter room and the other person in there to, to

greet these guys is chief engineer, our guy. I don't know if they were like planning on making this guy an actual character, but they're like, well, if we're going to have another che... take another stab at having a chief engineer, what would a quality be? I don't know, Scottish? I love Argyle, I think he's the greatest. Did you know the name of that actor is Biff Yeager? Which is an even cooler name than Argyle, if you ask me. Yeah, yeah, man, Chief Engineer Yeager, that definitely didn't have like a Chief Engineer thing figured out at this point in the series.

So everybody's pretty skeptical of what's going on with Kazinsky, and he is just brimming with confidence that, you know, Troy really draws a bright line around that he's an arrogant piece of shit. Yeah, a moment after he displays incredible arrogance for like three straight minutes. We needed, we needed Deanna Troy to turn to camera and tell us how incredibly arrogant he is.

Yeah, they haven't quite worked out how to use her yet in the series either. But they head down to engineering and start to plug in the equations that Kaczynski is so proud of. And maybe this is a good time to stop. I mean, we've taken a bunch of pot shots at the set design department, but I think that the ship itself, like the engineering section, the bridge,

sick bay are kind of the big sets that we've seen so far on the enterprise. And they're awesome. They're so cool. They have thought so many things out, like different areas, different kind of controls that haven't even come into use yet But are like they're waiting to go and they look so cool And I love I especially engineering. I just I just think it's like one of the coolest one of the coolest sets in in TV history

Maybe yeah, I agree actually and I think it's engineering is really the only set on the entire show that plays a little bit with height. I feel like every other set is just wide, you know, like 10 forwards just a big restaurant set that's wide. The bridge is sort of wide and there's a little bit of a height difference there. But like there's a very real perspective in engineering that like there's a super tall tube that you could follow, and you could fall down and kill yourself if you fell off a railing. The scale actually works in a really compelling way. It's just super well done.

Yeah. So that's off to that stuff. This has been props to props. So they get into engineering and straight away, Kazinsky's like, who's that kid? Get him out of here. And camera pans over and Wesley Crusher is sitting there in like a pretty outrageous, bright orange, kooji sweater. G-Sweater. And they say like he's there doing some homework or something or a science project or something like that. And I guess Kaczynski is kind of distracted by wanting to get going with his warp experiment.

So he's really excited to show off. Yeah, he sort of loses the thread on attempting to get rid of Wesley Crusher. So Wesley is there when they start doing the experiment and he's often the same alcove where he caused all the problems in episode two with the with Drunk Shimoda, but he and the and the assistant character are there together. Well all everybody else is kind of focused on the main engineering control table. So Wesley is the only one that sees that while they are doing this warp experiment, the traveler or the assistant, I should say, phases out of existence momentarily and the ship is propelled 2.7 million light years through a couple of other galaxies and way further out than any Federation vessel has ever gone. I mean, this scene is very much like the end of 2001 where they go through the light fantastic,

right? Like, things are crazy. Yeah, and it does something I wish that 2001 would have done, which is shows that they are going through a psychedelic space journey without beating it to death, you know, it's a 30-second sequence, not a 10-minute sequence. That's the good part. The bad comparison is like they totally go plaid like space ball one, right? Yeah, that's another way to describe it. Yeah, and there's a pretty funny moment where Picard says like, like, reverse engines stop the ship and date is like, nobody has ever tried that at this speed. Picard's like, shut up and do it. You know, after they're, after they separated the ship at maximum speed, like nothing really surprises me anymore about what the captain wants to do at any speed. Yeah. Like that's

regardless of the consequences. So one, it's the one area where he's incredibly unrestrained. So they sort of talk about how they're really far out. There's some discussion on the bridge. I guess Picard calls Kazinsky and everybody else up to the bridge and they discuss where they are. Picard is like, this is great this is all, this is great, but it's only cool if you can reproduce it and get us back to where we came from. Which is factually untrue,

like where they are is incredibly cool. And this is like the one thing about the episode that great it on me more than anything. Like they're out further than anyone else. They look at the view screen and it looks like an inner city planetarium Like it's something you never see in Star Trek things are big and moving and lots of colorful space things happening And they and they pretty much look at the view screen and are like, huh? Well, we better get out of here

Yeah, well data is data is pushing for doing some some astro metric Study but everybody else is like pretty eager to make sure that they don't have to spend 300 years Traveling at conventional warp speed to get back home. There are episodes of this series where they shoot like eight probes like like eight probes, like, wastefully shooting probes out in the space. And then this one, they don't shoot one. I don't get it. A cool move would just be to shoot a probe, like right back toward the Milky Way. And in 300 years, you'd just get like this incredible wealth of knowledge that you might

not have gotten otherwise. I mean, you have no idea. You mean a hero, and that's, I mean, as far as bang for the book, why not do that? Well, it can only hope that there's some division of the science staff that does that stuff without needing to be told to. Right, right. I mean, there's a thousand people on this ship,

so it's possible. Mostly children. We're children. We're children. We're told we're in a grave danger. We should discuss that the assistant character may be pushing in on Picard's side piece with some of the loving looks that he gives Wesley within 13 seconds of meeting him. Yeah, I mean, he is wearing a Cosby onesie. Yeah, they both have kind of a Cosby thing

happening on this episode. It was 1987. There are pictures of me wearing especially giant sweaters. So I mean, I get that. Nice. Unbroken send and moving from topic to topic. So that no one had the chance to think the traffic was really quite hypnotic, not hypnotic, not hypnotic. They decide, let's get back to our galaxy. Let's get back to our quadrant. And they head back down to engineering and Wesley tries to stop riker and say, like, listen, this Kaczynski guy is full of shit. And it was really his assistant

that did some kind of magic alien space math on the warp field. And Riker is just kind of like, yeah, shut up right now, I'm kind of busy, kid. And so they sit down and they start to work on reversing the process. And instead of getting back to the Milky Way, they completely overshoot it by quite a lot more distance

in the other direction. And they wind up in this blue ethereal space. It looks sort of like they're in between two layers of an iceberg with bubbles floating around in it. Yeah. It's very psychedelic. Oh yeah. I mean, just when you thought it couldn't get more psychedelic,

or we go way out there this time. Yeah, they're so far out that they're like, it doesn't even look like space, and they realize that this is not great. Holy shit, stop. Stop just the second. The effects we just described, the effect that you described, I thought pretty, pretty tastefully,

was created by a effects designer Robert Legato using water reflection techniques and Christmas tree lights in his basement. Wow. That's pretty cool. Yeah. Good job, Robert. Yeah. I would never have expected that. I think that the the transporter beam effect is glitter in a fish bowl. Oh, I wish I didn't know that. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry Adam. This has been demystifying everything we love by Ben Harrison. Man's Blaining Magic. This is an even worse place to be because no sooner do they arrive there that Worf is like dicking around on the science computer on the bridge and looks over at one of the turbo lift doors and there is a Klingon targ which is a some kind of wild pig looks like that they kind of put some extra horns and fur on. Yeah, it looks like a like a wart hug with a jacket.

Yeah. A dog jacket. Which is, you know, it's hard to make a convincing like animal that has alien makeup on it. He looks as much like a ferocious dog as like, you know like Los Angeles Raiders fans with like the spiky shoulder pads, like Legion of Doom wrestling style. Like that's what they turn this pig into. And I guess Tashi Yars sees this and then she has a full blown like daydream where she is back in the colony where she grew up trying to evade

a rape gang. So, just in case the viewer forgot that Tashiya is a sex object, we'll just insert that into the episode right here. And then various other members of the crew have crazyission slash dreams. My favorite of which is a guy who is one of a quartet, doing a string concerto, who it's a character that we never see again. And just like when it disappears, he realizes he's just sitting at a table in a room by himself

with a beverage. Yeah, he's having a super lonely lunch. And it's real sad when life goes back to normal for him. I'm sort of crushed for him. Yeah, I almost wondered if it was somebody that won a contest to have a walk-on roll on Star Trek or something. That's like something I have a hard time getting out of my head when I watch this show is like which of these people won a contest by like sending in the top of their serial box to be on this episode. And conversely, how many of these actors lost a major contest? So, traveling this far has also completely exhausted the assistant character who now everybody is on to as being the reason why they could travel this far.

So he's in sick bay and Picard, like, puts the ship on Red Alert, tells everybody to really watch what they think about because everything that they think about will manifest into reality if they aren't careful. Do you think Rikers just really excited about the prospect? Do you think Rikers like, fuck, I have to be on duty right now? God dammit. Who poses the most danger at that point?

It's probably Rikers, right? Yeah. I mean, Worf could be incredibly dangerous, but his thoughts just manifest like the Warthog and Taujiar just manifest the cat. I mean, what sort of sick filth could Riker conjure just in a half a second of idle thought? Yeah, man. He's admirably on top of his game in this episode. Yeah, he's keeping it pretty real.

Yeah. So they head to sick bay and they start kind of interrogating the assistant who admits that he is actually, in fact, a traveler from sort of a different plane of existence. And I guess we kind of come to understand that in his level of reality, thought and time and space are not distinct concepts. And that he's sort of, I guess, like the crew of the Enterprise. You know, they ask him at one point, like, where are you trying to go?

And he says, it's not about where I'm going. It's about traveling around. Yeah, it seems like some sort of 70s hippie. Yeah trying to get to Burning Man Yeah, but I feel like that's kind of true of the crew of the Enterprise too like they occasionally have destinations But they're out here to explore so yeah, yeah, they're like they can get down with that Yeah, they're alike like that. I mean Beverly's having a hard time putting them back together because yeah He's described as generally human Which I thought would be a great title for a Star Trek makeup artist instruction manual.

Yeah. That's pretty much the advice they give everyone. Yeah, what stuff can we change about your nose to make you look a little bit weird? Folds, always more folds. Yeah. Folds, always more folds. This is kind of a long scene, but I kind of like it. So, a nicely lit scene, and the only thing that's really ridiculous about it is that Kazinsky is in there, and Kazinsky has been completely and utterly discredited as being what he claimed to be

at this point, but yet he still gets to have a story arc. He gets to be one of the people in there interrogating the traveler, and then he gets a moment of redemption at the end, which is, I don't know why this... I think he's an ensign based on his collar, why do we care about him at this point? I was distracted by the fact that he doesn't wear a communicator badge. And his, his pips are all weird around his neck. Like, I wasn't sure that he was even a real member of the federation. Is he? Oh, maybe, yeah, maybe he's not actually in Starfleet or something, but they hadn't decided that those people couldn't wear uniforms yet or something.

Yeah, it was weird. They definitely don't ever like say a rank out loud as far as I can remember though. I think we can be sure he's probably a contract labor person. Yeah, yeah, he's a private contractor on a government contract. One of those no bid jobs. Right, right. just another fucking handout. It's fucking pork in the legislative process back on Earth. God, so much pork in engineering.

Yeah, not to mention the holodeck. Hey. Oh. So, they do this interrogation and at some point somebody brings up Wesley and I feel like the other thing that's really funny about Wesley so far in the series is that whenever he comes up someone says, the boy! It's Wesley I wanted to speak to you about the boy. It makes me think that maybe Wesley was supposed to be a main character of the show with how often they emphasize his relationship to other people.

They do that for him in a way they don't do it for anyone else. Right. Yeah. Like he's sort of like our proxy in this universe or something like that. I mean, in both youthfulness and in sweaters for sure. Yeah. I sort of wonder, maybe that comes from Luke Skywalker in the Star Wars series. He's sort of a newcomer to the fight, and so things get to be kind of explained to him, and we can kind of identify with him as an audience. That makes sense. Maybe taking a page from the George Lucas playbook by having Wesley be such a prominent figure on the show.

Yeah, they really dial up his wonder in a way that is consistent with that theory, I think. So this interrogation scene ends with the traveler asking everybody but the captain to leave the room. And he confides in the captain that Wesley is no mere boy, but in fact is like the Mozart of Warp technology, a prodigal genius that, well, his talents have yet to completely reveal themselves and they will be supernatural, but he admonishes Picard not to reveal this to Wesley or anyone.

Of all the things Picard is revealed to Wesley, he's got to somehow keep this a secret. Yeah, it's a weird moment. I mean, he's sort of wonder why it's important that it's a secret and that's not really explained, but um I think in the same way that like talented people shouldn't be told they're great all the time otherwise they turn into an asshole. Yeah, yeah, maybe, maybe that's my problem. Uh, huh.

Uh, so he agrees to get them back to where they started, but he needs Wesley's help. And so they wind up back in engineering for a third time, and this time, like he and Wesley like take hands while they're going to warps. It's speed. It's like hand in claw. Yeah. Because the travelers hands are like taped together. They're like zoidberg hands.

Yeah. They're actually like, it's a weird choice of hands to have for like an engineer type who's got to like, he's got to type little buttons. All the time to make things happen. You would think it would compromise his ability to interface with the computers on the enterprise with his big fat fucking fingers. He needs the dialing wand from The Simpsons. Yeah, but anyways, we get like a little redemption moment for Kaczynski and they get back to the same course and heading that they were on before.

And in the process, the traveler phases out of existence entirely and completely disappears, which is not the end of the episode, because then Picard is like standing on the bridge with his crew and goes, like, get that kid up here. And says like, Wesley, you've done good kid. You are onto this guy way before any of us. And I'm going to make you an acting ensign on the enterprise.

So Wesley gets a field commission right there. And he gets to hang out on the bridge as they head off to their next adventure. I would argue he did less in this episode than the one where everyone got drunk to save the ship, right? Yeah. Which is an interesting moment for a field commission. Basically, he was there while something great happened

this time around. Like, did he do that? I mean, it's like Denzel winning an Oscar for training day. It's not so much that that was like the Oscar worthy performance of his career, but that lifetime achievement here. Yeah, yeah.

This is a very Wesley-centric episode, and yet Wesley does not have a ton of agency and what's going on. That's a good observation. Would you like me to unveil an exquisitely embarrassing thing about my relationship with the character of Wesley Crusher when I was a child? Well, I mean, with a teaser like that, the floor is yours. I went to summer camp one year when I was probably seven or eight years old and introduced myself to people as Wesley because I loved the character of Wesley when I was a kid. Wow.

And I had like, I had like, I like made a couple of friends at this summer camp and like would see them during the school year and when I went over to their house would be like, oh yeah, like I have a different name as far as this kid is concerned. And then at some point had to kind of like confess that I had in fact been trying this name on for size but it wasn't my real given name. Wow. Yeah. Something that my parents probably should have told me not to do.

They probably should have taken you to a counselor at that point. I wouldn't have gone if she wasn't half beta-soid. Can you please help our boy Benjamin? He's displaying terrible signs. Yeah. Yeah. For as popular as the character was at the time, like I think it's interesting that you don't see a lot of Wesley's running around now. Like people were not inspired enough to name their child Wesley in a way that, you know, other Hollywood names became popular.

Yeah, that's true. Well, here's to a generation of rikers, pecards, and Wesley's. Why didn't you go around that summer camp introducing yourself as riker? It just seems like a missed opportunity to bone. Yeah, oh man. All the sexual opportunities I left on the table because I picked the wrong character to hang my hat on.

God, those kid counselors were totally down to get down and you just chose the wrong name. Hmm. Well, never be said that I'm a man without regrets. Who do you have for drunk Shimoda for this episode Ben? Drunk Shimoda! My drunk Shimoda is not really a character that causes big, big time problems, but there's this scene where Picard is like heading back to the bridge after interrogating the alien

and they're still in this environment where their thoughts can be manifest into reality. And he comes around the corner and there's just a guy in the hallway, like almost engulfed in a wall of fire. And it's just like, it's such a weird scene because Picard has to tell this crew member. But the flame out in your forms! That's an order! And the guy has to kind of like go through this very challenging mental journey and I, you know, it's just a very ridiculous scene and a very ridiculous casting choice. Like the guy has like a crazy Jerry curl. Yeah, it's like the extra is easy. Yeah, and he's like sweating bullets and finally puts it out and you know it's and is like, okay, now what, does that guy just like go take his station?

Like nothing happened or what? Hey Rod, why are you so sweaty? I was just in a hallway full of flames. What's your excuse? Oh, man. Yeah. How about you? My drunk Shimoda is actually you for introducing yourself at a summer camp, as Wesley, to all those people. I think nothing could be more drunk than the idea of a person trying

to impress by changing their name or making them self-sound cooler than maybe they are. I know you're as cool as you say you are, so I know that's not the case, but that instinct I feel like is that of a drunk person? Yeah, well, seven-year-olds are essentially drunk all the time. Your parents sound real cool. I wish I remembered how I handled it, because I went to that summer camp for several years, and I definitely only did that one summer. So I must have gone back and had to, like all the teachers and staff and everything

had to explain to them. Did they read role and you had to correct them every time? I don't know, I don't know, man. There's a lot of it that I've shut out of my memory. Yeah, for good reason. Well, I mean, know man, there's a lot of it that I've shed out of my memory. Yeah, for a good reason. Well, I mean, I look, there are a lot of episodes of this show and you're not going to be the only one confiding, embarrassing stories about your love for it. So, don't worry, my stories are coming. They just don't have any specific attachment to the episode so far. A Greatest Gen Live Show is something you don't want to miss.

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Yeah, I found a number of different descriptions of this show and This is this was like the shortest one which is why I picked it But it leaves out that they're transporting two warring factions to a planet and they're gonna Like work out a peace deal when they get to this planet And it I don't know know, like it's a strange episode based on the numerous brief synopsis I found because they all sort of said it was about something else. Ha, well, the reception is as equally mixed.

I guess the producers received a significant amount of fan mail criticizing the apparent cannibalism on the part of the Anticans in this episode. Or these are the like fish eye guys that eat fish. I think so, that's it. I remember. Yeah. They received mail, like actual, sent to the male. The alien delegation subplot was so poorly executed that it came off as comedic and combined with the slow pace and a number of dialogue scenes

that can be chariotably described as character development or more accurately described as padding. Wow, I think I'm as close to issuing a veto on this as ever, but with that being said, I think I'd like to soldier through. Yeah, I like looking at those weird fish guys and the possibility that this is the episode in which those characters appear is worth it for me to soldier through. It sounds like the alien designers actually threw away that generally human book and might have gotten a little weird. Good for them. Yeah, good for them.

Well, I think that's about the end of this year episode. It's been a fun one. Would you say this was the best episode yet? Yes, I would. Our podcast is getting better and better, absolutely. No, no, I was talking about the show that we're watching for the podcast. I would also say that I think the I think the shows are growing in quality, getting near the quality of our podcast. Not quite, quite better, but approaching. Oh, yeah, well, I've been Ben Harrison. I've been Adam Pranaka. And this has been the greatest generation of Lung and Prospor. Still not saying that. Yeah, no, I don't think that works. I'm gonna make it sound, make it sound