The Greatest Generation - Got Dome From the Back (VOY S2E16)

Episode Date: September 13, 2021

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Priority 1 message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Hey friends of Disodo. Before today's episode, we just wanted to take a moment to talk about the historic labor actions being taken by writers and actors in the American Film and Television industry. If you're a fan of the work done by the people who make Star Trek, we hope you'll join us in standing in solidarity with the folks who actually bring these adventures to life. Over the past several years, the AMPTP, the organization that represents the American Film and Television Production Studios, have reduced the profit from movies and TV going to workers. And in so doing,
Starting point is 00:00:35 they've attempted to weaken the labor unions that represent those workers. They wouldn't even engage the unions on many issues in their negotiations. And so a strike was the only course of action to take. Adam, Wendy and I have been having a lot of internal discussions about how best to stand with the unions and we are continuing those conversations in a dynamic situation. We're doing our best to understand where the picket lines are in these digital spaces,
Starting point is 00:01:01 and we would never intentionally cross one. With the information we have, we feel like we can do more good talking about and supporting the strike and continuing our show as planned. We'll keep you informed about what all this means for greatest trek specifically. Today we're making a contribution to the Entertainment Community Fund. This fund exists to help all the people whose livelihoods have been put on hold because the AMPTP refuses to negotiate
Starting point is 00:01:25 in good faith with the unions. It provides financial support for writers, actors, and all the thousands of laborers who make the shows that we talk about here and without whom we wouldn't have Star Trek to cast pot about. Those folks are all out of work because billionaires, company shareholders, and the executives of these companies don't want to compromise on the length of their yachts. We hope you'll join us in supporting entertainment workers in a challenging time, especially after they've already endured several years of challenges brought on by the pandemic
Starting point is 00:01:55 and season two of Star Trek Picard. We've set up a page where you can also contribute. It's at friendsofdecotoforlabor.com. That's friendsofdececoto for Labor.com. That's FriendsOfDecoto for Labor.com. Link in the episode description. Okay, now let's get on with the show. Here's to the finest crew in Starfleet. Engage! Bringengweb the U.S.S. Forthead, Captain Captain Captain, Bringengweb the U.S.S. Forthead, Duet Captain, Welcome to the greatest generation Voyager. It's a Star Trek podcast by a couple of guys who are a little bit embarrassed to have
Starting point is 00:02:35 a Star Trek podcast. I'm Ben Harrison. I'm Adam Pryanaka. Welcome to the show Adam and welcome to my home studio. Thanks for having me Ben. You've got gnats swirling around your head because I have a weird, that problem in here right now. It didn't take long to regret the choice of coming out here.
Starting point is 00:02:53 You really do have an infestation of some kind. It's crazy. There's like, for every nat, there's a daddy long legs, and then below every daddy long legs, there's a pile of nat corpses. And it's like, I like that every daddy long legs met, there's a pile of net corpses. And it's like, I like that the daddy long legs is are killing the nets, but they are making a mess while doing it.
Starting point is 00:03:13 And also too many spiders. A couple of times ago I came over and recorded in person. I went home and I had bug bites on my ankles. Oh, yeah. And I was like, there's no way that that came from Ben's studio. And then I and then I hit my ankles with, with bug spray. You know, the deep. No, no bug bites that time. I'm here to tell you I came back. No bug spray. So we're going to really A, B this one today. Wow. Okay. See if it's happening. You ever get your the ankle spitten in here?
Starting point is 00:03:45 I do that this is right next to my Undeveloped backyard my backyard is just a pit of dirt and concrete debris and broken bricks and Lots and lots of creepy Only agent orange could clear your backyard. Yeah, yeah, So that's what kind of what we're dealing with. A lot of the outside comes in in this room. I love your office, by the way. This is going to sound like me shitting on your office. Your office situation is way better than mine.
Starting point is 00:04:18 I'm really happy about it. There are some drawbacks, but I'm working toward a better situation. But something else I wanted to talk about a being Adam. Oh, God. You said you had an open for the day show and we didn't talk about it. Now I feel like you're really springing you, Tommy. Well, we have kind of a standing Issue which is that you've come out here several times to record. Yeah, and afterwards I've been like, hey, let's go get burgers at the really good burger place. In my neighborhood, after we record, tonight,
Starting point is 00:04:49 we have plans to go see a comedy show. We've got a record and we've got a couple hours to kill in between recording and comedy show. It's a night where the burger restaurants is open at them. I don't believe it. I don't believe it for a second. We may put burger gate to to an end. Several times in a row, several restaurants in a row, even. It's not just the burger place.
Starting point is 00:05:10 It's it's once we realize the burger place is closed. You're like, oh, yeah, I got a plan B for this. Plan B also closed. Yeah. Well, you have to do this to Danny out of Star Trek Las Vegas, too. You're like, we got to go to Lotus Siam, Lotus Siam, one of the great restaurants. It's closed. It should show you on the map when you book the car that the place you're going is closed. Yeah, that seemed like some dirty pool. Is what it seemed like.
Starting point is 00:05:37 Lyft got like an extra $30 out of me because we went to a false peak at first time. Danny Baduela from Max von, he was at a Star Trek Las Vegas. One of the great friends that we've got, and a friend of DeSoto was like, yeah, has this ever happened to you? Like, has Ben ever taken out to a meal in the place as close? And I was like, oh, brother,
Starting point is 00:05:58 and I've just put my arm over around his shoulder. Like, you have no idea the club you've just joined. He's really joined in a lead group. In my defense as far as Las Vegas goes, not your home turf. Not my home turf, and I did not know that that restaurant had closed. I hope that that's a temporary thing. I hope so too. That's a really great Thai restaurant in Vegas, like world class. And I'd be really sad to see that go away for good. And in my defense here, when we went to the burger place the last time,
Starting point is 00:06:32 they had just changed their hours because they had like COVID hours where they were like not open for three days of the week. And I thought that they had changed it to they were closed Mondays and open every other day, but they were closed Tuesdays and open every other day, but it's they're closed Tuesdays and open every other day. I would gladly pay them for a burger today, for a burger I could have today. All right.
Starting point is 00:06:53 Well, I tell you what, before we go over there, uh, in anticipation of comedy show, I'm going to give them a call. Oh, that's a great idea. I'm going to make sure that they're actually open. That's it. You should call them on the show. a great idea. I want to make sure that they're actually open. That's it. You should call them on the show. Let's do it.
Starting point is 00:07:08 Hey, it's a great generation. You're on the year. You've got a fake radio show where you do those kind of calls all the time. Let your phone under the board. Let's get a go. I'm not going to rope aknowing, an unwitting. You know what? There's no bits on tips at them
Starting point is 00:07:28 and that's so close to being a bit on a tip. That's very true. We have hard and fast rules about such things. Yeah, anytime somebody is listening to K-Pod 101.3 and here's this call of business, that's a friend of ours or more likely Dan Kennedy recording it himself and then pitch shifting his voice to sound weird.
Starting point is 00:07:48 Nice plug. You did all the things. You said the name of the show. You said the name of your co-host. You talked about some tech things that you do to make an effort. Yeah, it's a fun show. I think people would like it.
Starting point is 00:07:59 Yeah. I've heard a couple minutes of it. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Adam's acting jealous about a show that Oxbridge Shimoda is the production company. I'm not acting jealous at all. I'm acting oblivious. Which are often confused by my friends in VanWayne. Well, Adam, there's a lot of confusion on today's episode for one two-vac the Vulcan. Do you want to get into season two episode 16?
Starting point is 00:08:32 Mood? Are we just bringing Kevin in to introduce all our episodes? We have so few reasons to have Kevin on the show anymore. Maybe that should just be what we do. Just his title reads, is this really all you want me to do? I mean, I drove across Delta Rana 4. To do, and what's weirdest of all is that, like, I read one title, you couldn't give me,
Starting point is 00:09:00 like, a sheet full of titles. You get me an hair makeup and wardrobe and this you just have me say a Single syllable word why it's hardly worth my time Crewman shooter didn't just kill one member of the engineering team But actually he did just kill the one. He killed the morale of all engineers everywhere Reaver course unless you've got something a little bigger in your torpedo toots, I'm not draining the ground. So this episode opens in sun drains where Tom and Harry are like shooting some pool and it winds up being like that Tom is like trying to hustle his best bud Harry. And then they shift into a thing where Tom
Starting point is 00:09:45 Parris is running a numbers racket on the ship. I feel like a related idea to no bits on tips is no bets on friends. Yeah. That's how you start some fights. It can really fuck a friend, too, but yeah, you don't want to do that. Yeah. I had a bet like that once with a buddy where I bet, you know those shake weights? Oh yeah. I picked one of those up one time and somebody said, like, give me shake weight for a minute. Like, go as hard as you can for a minute
Starting point is 00:10:14 and just see how long it lasts. And I tapped out at like 20 seconds. I was like shocked at how difficult it was. And I think it was just like a really beefy shake weight, but I tried to pull the same, I tried to pay that forward. And like I was on a shoot, we were shooting in an office building
Starting point is 00:10:33 and there was a shake weight on somebody's desk. And a shake weight HQ, this is one of your jobs. And I said to my- The shake weight HQ, like a skyscraper, that's just like slowly vibrating all the time. Yeah, they don't have elevators, you just kind of like slot up a floor, you just have to jump.
Starting point is 00:10:52 But I bet my buddy, he like, you know, like go for a minute, like I bet you can't. And he picks up the shake weight. I think I put money on the table too. I think I was like 20 bucks. Oh boy. And it was like a cinch. And I was like, oh, this is like a weak ass shake weight. And he's like, he's like, no, it isn't pay off. And I was like,
Starting point is 00:11:09 fuck. Wow. And I felt like a real schmuck. That was why you hate gambling this day. To this day. That was your one bad beat. That was the one time I ever gambled. And I regretted it ever since. This pattern that Kim and Paris get into leads to the creation of a kind of warp keynote game wherein the idea is you make a bet on the numbers that the warp core throws the next day having to do with some sort of measurement. Right. I wasn't too clear on this. It doesn't really matter what specific numbers there, but there's no gamble that nobody
Starting point is 00:11:44 has control over. It's random enough to where it feels like a game of chance here. Yeah. And the currency are replicator rations. This is like the one thing that is scarce on the ship. So, uh, this seems to be a non-physical item, right? The ration is just a thing in your account because we never see like chips or anything. Yeah, it must be the computer does some kind of biometric authentication when you walk up to the replicator and you say replicator code 111, alpha 1. You know what, but part of the fun of a basement cock fight scene in a film or whatever, is like the guy with the cigarette hanging off of his lower lip,
Starting point is 00:12:29 collecting all of the paper money. Yeah, and it's like, how does he keep the cigarette on his lower lip while he dabs the tip of his pencil on his tongue to take down the bets in his little stenopad? That's what I'm saying. Like the outro to this scene, or the subsequent scenes having to do with the gambling, like the lineup of people put resting their thumb into Paris' pad or something would be almost
Starting point is 00:12:52 a satisfying, right? Yeah, that would be good. Oh, like the payments that people do in Corks Bar with the thumbprint. Also, speaking of people with cigarettes dangling off of their lower lips, Sundryne's is an imperfect simulation of a French pool hall, right? That place, you shouldn't be able to see three feet in front of you in there. Yeah, I feel like this is also the shot in that part of the 90s where like there was a concerted effort in Hollywood to only depict smoking when a bad undesirable person was doing it. Right. Like, we really got to clean up our use of smoking as a thing that looks cool.
Starting point is 00:13:31 Why not stick a cigarette and B-Dunk's face then? Yeah. You know, if that's the sort of vibe he's to project, if it's his program. Yeah. This was an interesting episode B BDunk's wise because it did seem like he was showing more of his rebellious side than he has in a long time. Yeah, a real pecs bad boy quality. Yeah, he's really noggin it. And I know that was interesting. Also interesting is the little dusting of concern about Hogan, the make-wice, working in the warp core. There's some like, hey, do you know what's wrong with this thing, Hogan, and he's like, oh, I couldn't tell you. The manifold just won't fire up. Like, BLT does not suspect, nobody suspects him but us, you know. This is one of those, the camera is seeing more than the crew
Starting point is 00:14:18 is seeing kind of things. This is a great moment in the episode because like we're in on Hogan and his face. And I'm like, what an interesting face Hogan's got. I wonder what his, oh my God, that's Brad Dora. Like, he completely takes over my thoughts as soon as he's on screen. And I forgot completely about Hogan
Starting point is 00:14:42 after that moment. Yeah, but Hogan is gonna be a slow burn, and I really like that. In a way that it sort of feels like this Tom Parris thing, maybe starting a slow burn. It's just a, remember this is going on in the episode. Yeah, don't forget about Hogan, that's what you're saying. As a Voyager viewer, I should be prepared for a long arc with him. Nowadays, everybody want to talk like they got some to say,
Starting point is 00:15:04 but nothing comes out when they move their lips. Just a bunch of gibberish and by the fuck is that like they forgot about Hogan. Hmm. Yeah, I mean, he looks like someone that would have a theme song like that. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Brad Dorif, you know from watching television and movies for the last 20 years, you're going to be in for a rough ride. That's because he's built a career out of playing Suspects No. 1.
Starting point is 00:15:33 Yeah, he's a, he's in one floor over the Kuku's nest as kind of like the sweetheart, but I feel like he is only a sweetheart by comparison to everyone else in that movie, right? That is a good description for a lot of the characters he plays. He's in a lot of movies where the story is a reference tumble, and he may not be the worst of the bunch. Yeah, I would agree in a warm tone. Bad guy, but he's no saueron. Yeah, that's exactly. Yeah. So that is just a wordless shot of him in engineering. He's a guy that has been working there this entire time. Surprise. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:14 Have we just not noticed? Yeah. I feel like you notice a breaddorf. By the way, Ben, happy Cal Rec to you if you celebrate. Yeah, and just happy holidays if you don't, you know. That is, I mean, if the war on Cal Rec people have their way. That's all anyone will be saying. Yeah, and it's like, it's gotten so commercialized. It's like, you get it from both ends, right? Because like some people just want to cancel it entirely
Starting point is 00:16:41 because they're socialists. And then, you know then from the other side, it's become so commercialized that it's like you're, you got to spend a fortune just a mourn and a tone. But it's the Cal Rec season. There is no Cal Rec season. It seems like we get in Nelix and two vaccine in most episodes.
Starting point is 00:17:01 This is one that starts in a way that you don't often want to do the let me tell you what I know about your culture conversation with anyone. It never goes well. It's not a good icebreaker. Yeah. And Nielix is doing this here to Tuvac. Yeah. He has been reading the Wikipedia entry. Important days in the Vulcan calendar. He wants to make a, a, a rumiri themed day in the, in the lunch room. Right. And rumiri is a, a super horny Vulcan holiday that hasn't been celebrated for over a thousand years, according to two
Starting point is 00:17:34 of us. Oh, really? Yeah. I, that was a fact that escaped me. Yeah. In that moment, what I, I think I was probably just distracted by, uh, Nielix's slowly floating contact lenders because when Nelix is describing a lube covered semi-nude Vulcans, the look in his eyes feels more deranged as those contact lets us start moving around in his eye sockets. They're like dogs in the goodfellas painting. Yeah, nothing really gets under two-vox kid like me,
Starting point is 00:18:06 like, and the image of horny justice style Vulcans. Yeah. Nice planet. A fun way to bust two-vox chops. The Vulcans are lubed. They're lubed. But two buckets called down to engineering by BLT. And she opens a hatch and shows him the hand of a dead.
Starting point is 00:18:31 Oh, it's got a smell so bad in there. On this season of this old house, our project home is in pretty bad shape. The ship's constantly running out of fuel. The morale officer is a horny creep. And they're starting to find bodies in the wall. The endurance company is really going to be honest about what they cover and what they don't as we fix these plasma burns all throughout the back half of the ship. I'm Rich Trithui, and on this episode I'll be attending a Vulcan Rumiri festival, where I'll be partially stripped and dipped in lubricant, a segment which for some reason will last
Starting point is 00:19:17 a full 10 minutes of this 22 minute episode. Mr. Darwin, the crewman in question, should have been vaporized and he would have been something short-circuited in the EPS conduit or whatever. If you were an engineer and you knew there was a conduit that just vaporized anything that went into it, I mean I'd be using that all the time, right? It's the perfect crime. That's what Adam is looking for in life, is the perfect crime. do it. I mean, I'd be using that all the time, right? It's the perfect crime. Yeah. That's what Adam is looking for in life is the perfect crime. I'm not looking to use it for criminal activities.
Starting point is 00:19:51 I'm looking to use it for chore activities. Like I'm going to dump my garbage into it. Right. And when you finish your starfleet issue shampoo and conditioner, you just check the bottles in the vaporization chamber. Yeah. Yeah. You don't want to recycle them at them. You don't want to put them back in the replicator so the bottles and the vaporization chamber. Yeah. Yeah. You don't want to recycle them at them.
Starting point is 00:20:06 You don't want to put them back in the replicator so that somebody else can use that matter. Is that how it works? I don't, I'm a starship. I think so. I don't know. It's all made of shit. That's what we learned on St. Trek to stuff.
Starting point is 00:20:17 Yeah, they're beaming the poops out of butts and it just so happens that somebody has ordered a plate of spaghetti at that very moment, and that's what materializes. It's pretty good for shit. Not only is the shampoo in conditioner shit, also the bottle it comes in. Ha ha ha. Doc Holode is doing the like forensic pathologist role in this episode a lot of the time, and he's explaining like, this guy got bonked on the noggin. You know, you could try to make the case that this was a,
Starting point is 00:20:48 he slipped and hit his head and then almost got vaporized. If you want Mr. Tuvak, but that's just not what the evidence is. This is a, he got clubbed and then shoved in there. And it's pretty definitive. And I thought it was surprising that it wasn't Tuvak and the captain for the scene. Yeah, you'd think the captain would be on a call like this involving the death of a group person.
Starting point is 00:21:07 Yeah, I'm busy, Mr. Tuvac. You take care of this. This is a great moment in the economics of Star Trek also because all you see from the POV perspective of that EPS conduit is like charred hand. Yeah. And in the background of this scene, it's just body under sheet. I love it. Yeah, they just got like some folded up clothes
Starting point is 00:21:31 from the wardrobe department and it's right to sheet over it. Yeah, there's not even a body under the sheet. It's just pillows. Yeah, they got one of those 12 foot skeletons from Home Depot and they were like, we're gonna have to put this really far back in the scene because it looks weird how big it is.
Starting point is 00:21:48 There's a McLoughlin group that follows where they sort of share the findings of what they're talking about in Six Bay. It's two of our Chico Te, Jane Wait and a late arriving BLT. Sorry I'm late. And it doesn't take long before Brad Durif is a suspect number one. It sticks in Chico Te's crawl when his name gets floated. He's like the other person that was on duty at the time. And he kind of has to be coaxed to say what this brings up in him. Like the captain is like, you clearly have a big reaction to Mr. Souter coming up. What's what's that about? you clearly have a big reaction to Mr. Souter coming up. What's that about?
Starting point is 00:22:25 And Chico, he's like, yeah, it seems like he may have joined the Makeways for the killing and not for the political reasons. Yeah, he was a real police officer not doing it for the protect and serve reasons of police officer. You know, like in the academy, he kept asking, when are we going to learn how to slide over the hood of a car and yell no time for backup? Yeah. And that's just kind of freaked us all out, you know.
Starting point is 00:22:53 Chico Tei is like, look, we put dangerous people next to the warp core all the time. This is just that. Remember that killer robot? He was even closer than this guy. Chico Te goes all in on God, like they really give Robert Belchran like a moment here to like jury in his description of Brad Doris character, which I love. This is one of the great moments of the episode. He's like, yeah, you know, he's a creepy ass betasoid with those dark, beady, sharp eyes. And for some reason, he has it out for the cardies,
Starting point is 00:23:29 but we learned in deep space, nine like Cardassia occupied Betas Ed for a while. And at no point, is that brought up as a reason for him to be grinding his axe? Oh, I wonder if that happened post the Voyager leaving. Yeah. Because I don't remember exactly how it lines up. It would elegantly tie in, though.
Starting point is 00:23:49 It would. It would. But like, what if Brad Duraft's character gets back to the Alpha Quadrant and finds out he is even more of an extra grind with the card essence? And we'll get to that at the end of the But yeah, so so we get to meet this guy We we just got kind of like a deep background shot of him before but now we get the Confrontation and those even more threatening in a single then he is in that deep deep
Starting point is 00:24:20 Distance and I feel like those beta-zoid eyes being played in a creepy way or something that they tiptoed up to in tin man But this is really pegging the needle for how freaky that is as a look I mean like like limp biscuit really capitalized on this thing that Star Trek discovered. Oh with the West Borland Contacts. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, those are intense. Yeah. What's funny is like the natural resting face of this actor though is like very eyes open, very expressive in that way and not in a cartoonish way. Yeah. He has a resting in the scene. Yeah. And being arrested in this. Yeah. He is both. He is, you know, he initially denied, denied, denied, and then two Valkyries gets called down to Six Bay and the doc has some DNA evidence. The corpse had suitors DNA in it. Yeah. Gross. Yeah. Gross. So he fucked the other engineer, man. He
Starting point is 00:25:30 fucked the whole he clocked in the guy's head. Ah, evidently there's a difference between skulls getting crushed and skulls crushed by falling into other things. That was a bit of science I learned in this episode. Yeah, yeah. Two different fracture patterns. Good to know. Yeah. Both equally fuckable to a to a bread durf character. What if you hit somebody with a floor though? Would that make the fracture pattern that you want? Yeah. I'm just I mean I don't I don't have any plans on murdering anybody for the record. This is not a true crime podcast where Ben and Adam plan and execute murders. Like if the pipe from the North Door fell off of the wall and hit someone below versus someone running into it and dying, could you really tell the difference?
Starting point is 00:26:22 Yeah. The North Door is a venue that we've played a few times in Austin, Texas on tour. And this may be a good time to talk about the fact that 2021 will not be a year in which the greatest generation goes on tour. But we were talking about booking some shows maybe for later next year. You thought Vido's were done with TNG. I played my last Vito and it actually hit. And I think I still have mixed feelings about. Yeah, well, we don't want to, we don't want to be party to the propagation of virus that
Starting point is 00:26:58 is wrecking a lot of lives. And I thought your Vito was well taken. No counter Vito from you though. But the Austin show, they have, there's a green room where there's like a low hanging, I'm gonna say like sewer drain pipe right at the exit to the green room door. It's not just strike your forehead though, it's like strike you in the face low. It's, it's, it's, but, but also like high enough that you could accidentally do that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:27 And you and I like we just have a practice when we play that room every time we're either going into or coming out of the green room reminding each other do not hit your head on the pipe. Yeah. Yeah. North doors the site of some of our favorite shows for sure. Totally. That was the live lime show the famous lime show Oh, yeah, and I think that that might have been the first time I had to leave the stage to take a piss
Starting point is 00:27:53 Was that what you threw the lime that was also the show where we brought our entire green room beverage cart Like up to the stage and we were like mixing drinks on stage for each other That was the same show. I drank too much. I didn't like too much not to get drunk, but like too much to use the bathroom. I had to leave to go take a bio. Yeah. And when I came back, you would run the show superbly without me.
Starting point is 00:28:18 This is a show that doesn't need me clearly. Yeah. I get back to the stage and it's time for another drink. I grab a lime segment and I throw it into your glass from like Five feet away. Yeah, it was a miracle shot. It was it was unbelievable Is why don't we film these it was the best moment of my life? Of my life wow, I'm not telling your wife about that remark. Really like the mood lighting in the scene where Brad Dorif confesses to the crime.
Starting point is 00:28:53 I thought it was a very guiltily lit room. Yeah, very, very moody. And we've talked about like dark on voyage or not looking great, necessarily. Yeah. This looked great on TV. great necessarily. Yeah. This looked great on TV. Yeah, for whatever reason the tell us any worked. Yeah, for this moment. But his explanation for why is
Starting point is 00:29:14 Krumann Darwin looked at me funny, basically. I did him because he looked at me funny. Yeah. And by did him, I mean, kill him and then fucked his head. And by did him, I mean killed him and then fucked his head. Yeah, he got dome from the back. And that's like the creepiest dome, I think. Yeah, if you can see it from the front, what makes me a see it from the back.
Starting point is 00:29:47 That was a real doze of cat murder. Toobuck doesn't have to say anything for this crewman to just go on and on about how he felt before, during and after. It's one of those law and order episodes where you're like, we are less than a third of the way into this. What is going to happen now? And Toobuck tries're like, we are less than a third of the way into this. What is gonna happen now? And two of us tries to get a word in edgewise a couple of times, like you want some counsel for this. Do you wanna like hit the brakes on this at any point?
Starting point is 00:30:13 Because it's within your right. I only read you the first of your rights, sir. I have like a bunch more to get through and you're just, you just keep talking. Yeah, yeah. And Brad Durav's reasons for murder are very, very Brad Durav if you, if you follow his word, if you're a fan, if you celebrate, if you celebrate his entire catalog, none of this is very unfamiliar. Yeah. We get a breakdown of his like psych
Starting point is 00:30:41 profile also. Yeah. From Doc Holliday, who kind of describes him as being like roughly make-wee standard issue in terms of psych profile. Yeah, as an explanation, like the question, the overarching question is, why is this guy working mixed to the warp core? And the explanation is he's just like every other make-wee. Like there's nothing about his file that reads as unusual. There's coffee and volunteering for the monkey. He's got the violent tendencies that Chico Te has,
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Starting point is 00:33:46 I've got to get that luck with not a selling iced. Go. So, Souter is in jail. He gets put in the brig. Is that his name? Yeah. Okay. AKA Brad Duriff.
Starting point is 00:34:00 Oh. AKA the real Brad Duriff. So that was Twitter handle. Yeah. And somehow he kept his Twitter handle in jail and is just spouting off crazy shit from there. Yeah. Anyways, he can't satisfy TuVoc on this,
Starting point is 00:34:17 why he did it question. TuVoc comes down and it's like, I can't sleep. It's killing me. I gotta know what you did it. Every crime has to have an internal logic. Some men aren't looking for anything logical. Souter described himself as kind of a tragic type of betzoid. Most betzoids can feel other people's feelings
Starting point is 00:34:38 and he can't even find his own. Which like they talk about is he a psychopath or not in the psych of eval conversation and the doctor is like no way like that's not him. That's that's not what's wrong with him. And I thought it was interesting that they come back to that like I don't feel the things that I feel like I'm supposed to feel. Do you feel remorse? I don't seem to feel anything at all. And that makes him seem like so much more of a threat, that disconnection from feelings.
Starting point is 00:35:13 Yeah. Makes him an extremely dangerous person. Really does. So, TuVak kind of dissatisfied, walks out of the brig, stomps down the hall, and then does a thing that I do all the time, which is like, he walks down the hall and then he's like, fuck, I forgot my keys, it turns around and walks back.
Starting point is 00:35:32 Yeah, he propositions Brad Duriff for a mind meld, and Brad Duriff's like, well, what do I need to know? And then, two vachas in with those hands. That's the only opening he needs. Yeah. And it is meldized to commercial. We don't get to find out what happened here for a while because the next scene is in Sundryans where we get the computer reading the bingo numbers.
Starting point is 00:35:56 Yeah. And no winner today. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Big disappointment. One of those B storylines that has like four little updates throughout the episode, where
Starting point is 00:36:10 I was just like, oh right, this is also happening. Huh. Yeah. Yeah, this is one of those classic deep B's that we've gotten occasionally over these. I've heard of deep V's, but this is a deep B. No one won except for Paris. That's because Paris is taking a skim for the administration of this lottery. Yeah. I mean, Paris has read a couple of books about casinos that went bankrupt and it just seems insane to him. Yeah. I mean, there's
Starting point is 00:36:40 no possible way anyone with any amount of intelligence could run a casino into the ground. Like, casinos are a license to print money, basically. The house always wins is like the main thing about casinos. So if you, if you bust running the casino, if you lose as the house, it must mean you are a profound idiot. Just galactically stupid. Yeah. So, yeah, weird. But yeah weird but but Paris is not that dumb. No. He's making it happen. We cut to the ready room with Janeway and Tuvac and Tuvac's there to give her the post-meld report. Yeah. We don't see see too much during this male that's just the after the refractory meld period. Yeah. Is where we're in right now. Tuvac really seems like he is struggling to hold it together.
Starting point is 00:37:29 And I thought that this was a really nice bit of acting by Tim Russ because it's, this is like maybe like act drunk a little bit where the subtle things that he's doing to indicate that Tuvac is not all, are subtle enough that you could believe that Janeway would miss them. And I think that's hard to do. I think this has been a really strong Janeway season. Like she has rocketed up my charts of Starfleet captains. Just by virtue of her performance,
Starting point is 00:37:58 because of her choices in season two. But the last few episodes, or the last few groups of episodes, she's been made to be opposed to a crew person who does not appreciate her by the bookness. Yeah. This is a recent thing with her. And this is a scene that goes like that because when Janeway is like, yeah, we don't execute people on a starfleet ship. Like that should be obvious to everyone involved. But not only do they not execute, the idea is to like stick Brad Duriff in his nicely
Starting point is 00:38:29 appointed quarters and just have him write out the rest of the mission, this seems especially gross. To not just Tuvak in this scene, but I think to us generally, I know I felt that way, like is that really all we can do about this guy? It feels unjust. I mean, Tuvac is writing for the, you know, what would the victim's family think? Would they be satisfied with that decision?
Starting point is 00:38:54 Right. But I think that, man, this is like one of my favorite things about Star Trek is that the higher morals are standard issue in the future. And somebody arguing for the death penalty is an outlier. Too long eventually comes around to like, hey, like, exigent circumstances were in the D-quad. We can't just cart this guy around or leave him
Starting point is 00:39:17 in the brig forever. Let's just punch his ticket and be done with it. And the like moral repugnance of that to Janeway is treated as what we as a viewer should be feeling. And I think that if art can influence politics, it is through things like this. Show us a way of thinking that doesn't involve retributive justice. And two-block is kind of, I feel the implication of the scene is that the retributive justice stuff that is coming out of TuVoc is partly because of the meld,
Starting point is 00:39:52 partly because he's got the poison pill in his mind. And it is not the acceptable position in the scene. And I, like this is one of the reasons I fell in love with Star Trek, you know? You asked for an ideal future and there it sits. I'm not writing for Tuvac or his argument here about fitting this guy for a torpedo casing. But I was shocked at how little voice was given to the idea of the resource question about this. This is a guy with skills.
Starting point is 00:40:29 Like we can't find like stick him in his quarters or whatever, but like have him make license plates or something like we're killing crew people every week on the show. Like he's a guy that can do some things and the utter waste of sticking him in his quarters for the rest of the crews. Did not sit well with me at all. And it's not that I was writing for him to die. I was writing for them to do something with him. That wasn't that. Yeah. I mean, I wondered could he do remote work
Starting point is 00:40:55 from his, could he do some of his engineering stuff from the, and just zoom in? You know what? I'd, I'd really actually prefer if Brad Duriff could turn off his camera for the zoom call. Like his eyes are just really creeping out everyone in the meeting. One of the things they talk about at this seat is like he should have had like the Worf workout tape. He's been out here and he just hasn't he's like got a bit of a killer instinct and it's just too bad
Starting point is 00:41:25 that we haven't had enough opportunities for him to kind of blow off that steam. Yeah, why wasn't he on the SESCA mission at all? You would have been very motivated. Like, if Chico Te had been like walking down to the shuttle bed and then be like, finger up in the air. Hold on one second. I think I know a guy who's got a particular set of skills that makes him a nightmare for people like Susca Especially now that he knows her true planet of origin. Yeah You're right about Tim res his performance here and I think he found just the right tone
Starting point is 00:42:01 Especially in this part of the episode because he walks out of this meeting with a kind of about-to-cry face, which is a look that we've not seen at all from this actor on this show, and it foreshadows what's to come, for sure. In this scene wrote the note, two Valk is going to kill Nelix. And we get a scene that is revealed to be the classic Voyager holodeck switcheroo, but it's a pick up of that C storyline where Neelix has dedicated himself to making Tuvox smile, where Neelix is actually using his fingers to push up the sides of Tuvox mouth.
Starting point is 00:42:42 Just a little, eeey-beety smile. Just let the mouth curl a little bit. Yeah. That's good. Did you think this was a new technology that Tuvac was using that was specific for this moment in his life? Or is this a regular program that he uses all the time?
Starting point is 00:43:00 Yeah. Because he roaps so hard after killing Nelix here. And you know he doesn't even need to touch it because Vulcan's like, cantantric blast, right? Yeah, yeah. If you're Vulcan, you probably can't use your hands, right? After the first guy accidentally melded with his dick. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:18 And then he was just found. Vulcan found melding his dick. You think melding with bread durif will break your mind? Try melding with your own dick. You know what's crazy about that news story? Is that the Vulcans read the newspaper or see it on the news and they don't it creams, it leads. That's the rule for the Vulcan News Agency. Vulcan local television news. Yeah. In the numbers, racquets, B storyline, the hammer comes down, and Chicoote is the one to bring it computer
Starting point is 00:44:05 There won't be any more winners Chico Te is the Ron Rifkin from Boiler Room here You started a back room card game Paris If you really if you need somebody to be a cold bucket of water in this show, Chico Te is always willing to do that. What's so weird about this scene is that Paris is caught and Paris gets reported. Yeah. But Paris takes a swing at Chico Te's balls on his way out the door. Yeah. And Chico Te just eats it.
Starting point is 00:44:40 You're on report. Now there's a tough job. And I understand that. About the like, like Paris's rebellious side coming out and like I wonder, like it feels like this is setting something up over a longer story arc in a way that like no other Star Trek show would have the commander walk out after a lieutenant made a comment like that.
Starting point is 00:45:02 It made me wonder. And this is this is a scene that could have had so much chess in it about this moment. We never cut back to the wide shot really after the punishments doled out. Yeah. Because of Paris being destroyed in space. Because I feel like if Chicoete goes in
Starting point is 00:45:22 and levels this punishment on Paris and then Paris hits Chicoete and then that's afterwards. If the reason that Chicoete doesn't respond is if everyone's looking at him and he knows the morale hit that he takes if he goes any further. Yeah. I think it makes a lot of sense, but I feel like that wider shot by not having that a part of this sequence, I think you lose some of the reasoning why Chicoete doesn't defend himself here in a way that I think is within his power. Do you think it's just that Chicoete?
Starting point is 00:45:53 Because like what he says is like nobody that's bent their replicator rations clearly needs them. So those are being comments. Do you think he just walks out and he's just got all the replications? Oh yeah. Yeah, he's this. He goes back to his room and it's just replicating shit left and right.
Starting point is 00:46:10 He's the RA that confiscates your booze, but you never see him pour it out. Yeah, yeah. Motherfucker. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think Paris is a lower class citizen than even the Mayquise on board?
Starting point is 00:46:24 Do you think it goes starfleet Mayquise Paris? I kind of do. I mean, there's some comments about two-vac in this episode about how much the Mayquise kind of hate him for having been a spy in their midst. And the idea that Paris was once and then was in Federation Jail and is now like super loyal to the captain may kind of hit the same way. Yeah, I'm going to keep an eye on that going forward. I hope that's sort of a longer arc.
Starting point is 00:46:53 Yeah. So, at this point, Tuvac is not holding it together any longer. The violence shoe is on the other foot and he meets up with Brad Dura Foo is now like fully speaking like a Vulcan. Yeah. Talking about how much he admires the way Tuvak because he got, you know, some meld always rubs off on the other party. You always smell like meld after. Yeah and Tuvak is like, hey, like I could teach you how to do this. It's like one of the things where you dedicate yourself to a pretty strict lifestyle of meditation and exercise and you too can live like a Vulcan. It's attractive, isn't it?
Starting point is 00:47:36 Have you thought about going vegan? Brad Derriff's like, no, fuck, no, no, not worth it. No, forget it. No forget it We ever tasted a really good French omelette to Vach if you had you wouldn't be talking this kind of bullshit It's all shit anyway Yeah, I guess nobody in Star Trek is vegan because it's all human butt by product. Yeah Gross as hell. So Brad Duriff wants to meld again. Can't wait to do it.
Starting point is 00:48:09 He's like meld me daddy, basically. Yeah, and Tuvag isn't into it. And then Brad Duriff is like, you know, meld really is violent, isn't it? I watch Star Trek 6. Yeah. I can see, I've seen how it goes sometimes. He really just says the subtext of the scene in Star Trek 6 in the scene as
Starting point is 00:48:28 Text is like your book violence smart. I'm street violence smart Yeah, we could we could team up we could do a lot of stuff Maybe if you want to really want to execute me you could meld me to death. Yeah Creepy. Yeah Great casting bread Brad Dyer. So fucking perfect. TuVac is kind of turned on by this. Turned on enough to walk out of here
Starting point is 00:48:54 and go back to his quarters, lock the door, throw away the security keys, and tell us the computer to call and sick for him. And I was so envious of this. Oh, man. Because the worst part of any job is the sick call you have to make. Yeah, yeah. And I sound, I am sick.
Starting point is 00:49:13 Do I sound sick enough? You don't want them to think that you're Ferris Bueller with a keyboard full of cough sound effects on the other end of the line. Uh oh. Oh. Is it serious? Yeah, but also like, six days are so rare that like you kind of want to do something
Starting point is 00:49:30 on your sick day. You never get a day off. So if you're me, you're like going to a movie or something, but you're sick. That's not the thing you want to do, especially now. You don't want to spread your virus throughout the theater. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, I was very envious of like, computer.
Starting point is 00:49:48 Call my boss. The boss comes and pays him a house call. And she walks in, she's got a dustbuster detail with her. And she walks into two vox quarters where kind of a lot of glass table damage has been sustained. Yeah, it's in a amount of glass table damage that can only be measured in admiral quins. Yeah, he's been, he's really been relishing in his body.
Starting point is 00:50:22 Yeah. And he's not gone well. Yeah, you see him in the corner. He's in shadow the whole time. So it's just, it's just voice acting for a while in this scene. Yeah. And the captain talks him into, hey, like you're in a lot of pain.
Starting point is 00:50:40 And I think it's time to go see the doc. And I thought this was great. Like there's so much stigma around having a mind-mailed break your personality and your ability to refrain from murder. Yeah. And it's just really nice to see that treated as what it is, a medical issue.
Starting point is 00:50:56 I thought it was really great to see Kate Mulgrue's performance not edge into maternal. Yeah. Which it's so easily could have. But this is a professional conversation between professionals. A professional who has some great concerns about one of her colleagues, sure. But I thought Katelyn Mugru's performance here was just like tone perfect. Yeah. And throughout the episode really. Yeah, it's an episode where she has less to do than normal, but she really fucking dunks on all of her scenes.
Starting point is 00:51:29 Yeah. When Tuvaq rises into frame and you see him for the first time, it looks like someone freshened up his coffee. It really does. Yeah. She turns around and casts his standing there. What? What are you doing here?
Starting point is 00:51:44 Tim Russ is like, you guys are really fucking up my face this season. This is my instrument. Yeah. How wet do you need me to be? What the hell? Yeah. A lot of that this episode specifically. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:58 So they take him to six pay. And they're going to turn off the like, I guess they can just like individually shut down cortexes in your in your brain in Star Trek. Yeah. And so they're going to shut down the region of his brain that does emotional suppression. Is there anything that a couple of things on your temples can't do in Star Trek? They're really magical. Yeah. You're going to hook up a visor to him. Yeah. I kept expecting him to hook up a visor to him. Yeah. I kept expecting him to hook up a visor with those blinking red lights on his temples. The idea that the doc is proposing here is like, we can reboot his violent tendencies. If we can just turn off his ability to suppress them for a couple of minutes.
Starting point is 00:52:40 It's like rebooting the system. Once it comes back online, he'll have his defenses back again. This is a form of therapy that he's proposing. And he's just like, he's following like the Vulcan medical playbook. This is the indicated treatment for when this happens to a Vulcan. Right. And so they do it. And once roping in the holodeck fails, this is the next step.
Starting point is 00:53:01 They're like a wrecked a force field so that if he ropes, it doesn't get on us. Of course it's locked in. Poor it. But listen to me very carefully, because I'm on it and see this once. So Tuva comes to very emotionally. Wow, what a scene. This is Tim Russ's one-man show here. Fuck.
Starting point is 00:53:23 That's great. I was really feeling this. I thought he did a great job. How do you feel? I feel. I mean, it's gotta be so weird to be like going to work every day and the thing you have to do at work as an actor is be as unemotional as possible.
Starting point is 00:53:40 Yeah. And then just say like, hey, turn on a dime and bring everything to the surface Hold nothing back. I mean I felt a ton of feelings thinking about that like you go to work With someone that you have some very strong feelings about but you can't say anything to that person You just got a you got to bottle it up until the moment where you just explode on them. Tell them how you really feel. You can tell you rope on them. Yeah. Well, what are you saying, Anna? This is such an interesting variation on ActDrunk,
Starting point is 00:54:14 because this is a lot like the, I've had a few, and I'm a little loose with what I'm saying, and it could get me in a trouble later, but here's how I really feel and fuck you at the holiday party, like that kind of vibe, but he's playing it soberly. So it's an emotional break happening
Starting point is 00:54:34 without any kind of intoxication style vibe from him, and it makes it feel even more venomous. Yeah, you disgust me. You'll never see the light of you, don't fuck you, think you fucking with. I'm the police, I run shit here, you disgust me. You'll never see the light of it. You don't fuck you think you fucking with. I'm the police. I'm gonna shit here. You just live it. It feels mean and nasty. Yeah. He like really rides on that pro death penalty thing. He refers to the other two Valk as this regrettable side to his personality almost. Yeah. Very, very interesting. He tries to push through the force
Starting point is 00:55:08 field at the end. So they're doing like a countdown, right? They need two minutes of this. And so we experience those two minutes in real time. And the last 10 to 15 seconds are two of us trying to push through the force field before it takes them down. It's fun. That wouldn't have worked with those of those mocha force fields. That would have rocketed them across the room. Yeah, that would have been a bad time. You don't want to rope into a mocha force field. No, you'll shoot a lightning bolt up your dawn. It's going to be a mess. So they residate him. He goes down. He's going gonna sleep it off, but he wakes up in the middle of the night.
Starting point is 00:55:48 He pulls off his temple chips. And I think he like pulls a piece like a collar stay of one of them to... He'll look totally like a collar stay. And he like gets a conduit off of the wall and like shoves it against the forest field. He's making cool inventions out of raw materials, Ben. Yeah, I use household materials, but that's just because I don't have access to raw materials. I miss, I miss set it, but I miss set it as a joke at you.
Starting point is 00:56:17 Hehehehe. Never gonna live it down. You, this is unforgivable. Like I under, this is a moment in Star Trek where like we need to make it this way so that we can advance the story. But there's no reason why Doc Holliday can't just be standing there guarding him,
Starting point is 00:56:38 watching over him in the thing. Like that's ridiculous. He doesn't need time off. There, yeah, they should have, they should have written to, oh, Doc holiday went to shoot ropes in the holodeck. Right. Cause that's the only other place he can be.
Starting point is 00:56:53 Yeah, he can't shoot ropes in six bay. No, no. He's not like Dr. Katz from lower decks. No. It's Dr. Talada. Exactly. He does that thing where he holds the hose though, right? Yeah. He doesn't hold the tip. Stop holding the hose on the show.
Starting point is 00:57:14 He goes down to the brig. He meets up with Brad Dorif. He's clearly neck pinched the guard in there. He's clearly neck pinched the guard in there. I wondered at this moment if Brad Dorif has executed the world's most elaborate suicide by Tuvac? Yeah, I thought the same. Because it kind of feels like he engineered the situation to be so frustrating that Tuvac couldn't get over the murder and then would be forced to kill him or something. It feels very much like he's giving himself over to Tuvac in this scene to end his pain.
Starting point is 00:57:51 Yeah, that's the pain he's chosen. And he has a pretty interesting kind of final diet tribe, which is basically like, I'm ready to die. You can kill me. But if you cross over, if you join me on team murder for convenience, it's not gonna feel like justice, it's not gonna make you feel any better, it's not going to solve the puzzle that you are trying to solve, but go ahead and fucking do it.
Starting point is 00:58:19 Then we are both to die. That's just it. The, but go ahead and fucking do it part is so interesting because The performance of Brad Dorif here isn't Disco-raging Tuvak from doing this. He's neither selling him on the idea of his new life or discouraging him from it I thought that was a really interesting choice because on the paper Yeah, I feel like in the script you you read in this like, oh, this is a warning. Don't join the violent side.
Starting point is 00:58:48 It's bad for all these reasons, but in performance, it's so neutral. It's more a challenge than it is a warning in the performance. And I think that makes him scarier as a character. Yeah, and it made me really surprised when two black grabs his face. Yeah. And then even really surprised when Tuva grabs his face. Yeah. And then even more surprised when he stops grabbing his face. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:11 Because you feel like too, like this is an episode about Tuva coming right up to the edge of can't come back from. And I think you could argue he goes past that edge. This is a thing that Vulcan teenagers say all the time that's actually a lie. Like there's no such thing as blue hands. But for Tuvac to stop halfway through, looks kind of painful. It is rather. It can't. Looks like he's going to be suffering for the next six to eight hours. Yeah. So like he stops during and then Brad Duriff radios the bridge. He's like, Hey, I know I'm not supposed to have one of these, but you should really check on your boy, Tuvac. And Chico Tei is the guy on the other end. He's like, All right, thanks. I kind of got my
Starting point is 01:00:01 hands full with this underground gambling ring, but uh, I'm just gonna replicate a burrito and then I'm gonna be right down. That's because I'm hungry because I can. We get an elliptical log here. Janeway's like, uh, Brad Derriff, we put him on house arrest. It was my idea. If you remember, this is my idea from the start. Yeah. Still my idea now.
Starting point is 01:00:23 Yeah, this is where he will remain. And Tuvac is continuing with this therapy. The idea that we learn in six ways that by starting and stopping the meld, this was emblematic of Tuvac getting better. Like he fought the instinct to kill. And this is a trend that will happen to him going forward. What do you think about that? Because I feel like Star Trek is a unique kind of storytelling environment where an attempted murder can be like, hey, he's getting better. Like I feel like in any other context,
Starting point is 01:00:55 this would just be like two vachas unredeemable. And I have a hard time with the attempted murder was an okay thing for him to do. Well, especially because they kind of slide whistle the end of this episode with a, now don't go melding without my permission again, Tuba, and Tuba, like freeze frame, shrugged his shoulders, looks into the camera
Starting point is 01:01:17 and then we roll the credit. I couldn't believe he made eye contact. The dark ending that I wanted for this app was sure like slide whistle it with Janeway and and two Voc with the permission thing. Cut back to Brad Duriff in in his dark quarters and it doesn't matter what Brad Duriff is doing in there, but giving him the gavel to the episode. Like maybe he's staring out his window, maybe he's just like rocking or whatever, but have him and the episode. And I think it
Starting point is 01:01:52 ends on that dark note that I think would be really effective. The thing that I could not stop thinking about at the end of this episode is, is Brad Duriff in his quarters on Voyager going forward forever and will we ever revisit this? I want that to be true so bad. I suspect that it won't be. I cannot remember one way or the other and I'm actually glad because I feel like I can like experience it a new. Yeah, I mean, we get the prognosis on Tuvac that he's getting better. Does that tweet me and spoil that for me, by the way? I'm enjoying not knowing, okay?
Starting point is 01:02:32 Does it mean that there is a corresponding worsening happening to Brad Deriv's character? And this is why I wanted to cut back to him. Like give us. Can he give us the corresponding? Can you come to the like Tuvac and Kess Kess the mind training sessions learn some Vulcan control techniques. Is he going to be working from home? Yeah. Probably on a team with with tenant Hogan or what? Did you like this episode, Ben?
Starting point is 01:03:10 I loved this episode. I hope this is a great episode. I felt a lot of complex feelings about it, but I think they were the friction of challenging art kind of feelings. Not... Why did they do that corny bullshit kind of feelings? Yeah. And Brad Duriff, what a fucking actor. And Tim Russ too, like. Yeah, Tim Russ. A tour de force performance by Tim Russ that I almost wish we could have gotten just like in isolation without bringing in a world class guest appearance because it was fucking great.
Starting point is 01:03:41 But part of the greatness was them hitting off each other. Like they were rallying in a way that was like really really fun to see. It seems to happen a lot. You bring in a world-class film actor to Star Trek and it's not that everyone rises to the level. It's that they were always on the level and this is just a way to experience that. Yeah. I'm with you Ben on how much I like the app? I will say I wish
Starting point is 01:04:06 the episode had the strength to forego the B story entirely. I think there's enough A story here to just have it be one long line. And I know Star Trek doesn't do that a lot, especially in this era. But leave me in the crime, leave me in the darkness a little more, save the gambling story for another time. Yeah, I don't hate the gambling story at all. But yeah, it also just felt like a, I don't know, like do we need another like CD, like a vice cop style story to be happening alongside this? And my answer is no. They're so dissimilar.
Starting point is 01:04:45 Like that's pretty weak connection if that's what the thinking was. Yeah. Like it felt like a little forced. And I agree. Like this, the A was so strong that I would gladly hang out there the whole episode. I mean, if that's what they were going for,
Starting point is 01:05:02 it's another ball kick for Chico Day because it's two-buck is law-and-order criminal intent and Chico Te is like law-and-order The kind they show in Nickelodeon or whatever like one of them is law-and-order Prodigy. Yeah, exactly Yeah, yeah, it's not a good look for Chico Te and their relative abilities to solve crimes. Yeah Well, you know what it is a good look at them, is a look at the Priority One inbox of the greatest generation. You want to go look in there with me?
Starting point is 01:05:31 I'm looking at the Priority One messages and it looks like you fucked quite a few in the back of the head here. Priority One message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. I need a supplement on this. supplement on this? supplement supplement star fleet coming in on secured channel. I need a supplement. A supplement? A supplement. A supplement.
Starting point is 01:05:47 Yeah, it's extra. But the interest alone could be enough to buy this ship. We got a few here. The first one is about promotional nature. And it goes like this, follow two.many.food.ph dot photos on Instagram. If you like seeing pictures of homemade pizzas with buffaloed cauliflower, brussels sprouts and chicken,
Starting point is 01:06:12 don't let the kiwi pizza scare you off. See a vegan homemade full awful plate, 18 inches wide. 18 inches. Home brewed booze. Everything's giving watch as a turkey is smoked in a makeshift smoker. Fun salads and cedar plank fire grill salmon. And if you also post too many food photos, I will follow you back.
Starting point is 01:06:37 Remember FODs, if you can eat it, it can be buffaloed. That's amazing. Who's responsible for this? This came in from Ira the Gooch. The Gooch. The Gooch and it says, the call to action is fuck it. If I'm going to be addicted to social media, I may as well lean in. You can Buffalo that.
Starting point is 01:07:01 Is the big takeaway. Man. I wonder if there will ever be a Ira the Gooch Adam Ragusia crossover episode called you can Buffalo then Hi, I'm a Ragusia That's amazing. You know when you first started rattling off the foods. I was like cool Vegetarian vegan blog awesome, but then started getting into smoked turkeys Yeah, and salmon and whatnot. They're doing all the things doing all the things
Starting point is 01:07:30 There's lots of yummy vegan foods. I know I know I'm not I'm not disparaging the the vegan lifestyle whatsoever Yeah, I just like to eat all the things. I'm I'm I'm never is I'm an obelisk Carnivore that's That's how it's supposed to be put. I have to eat the meats. I have to. Ben our second priority one message is of a personal nature. It's from Kevin Uxbridge. It's to Eli Lilly Pharmaceuticals. You know me as your man of special conscience devoted to helping old people everywhere have a fulfilling sex life through my thriving real-dollar business. I believe that everyone, even who snuck, deserves the love I share with my wife for sure.
Starting point is 01:08:22 This is why I believe I'd be an ideal brand ambassador for your product. She Alice. Thank you for your consideration. Kevin thinking that we have a much broader audience than we actually do. I mean we have a great big audience but... My erection didn't just last for four hours. Lashed it for all hours.
Starting point is 01:08:49 If you're like me. Can show to your physician if you've had an erection lasting an infinite amount of hours. Kevin and Rishan and side by side bathtubs for some reason in their Malibu beach house. Yeah, overlooking the wasteland just beyond the borders of their manicured lawn. Yeah. Wow. Man. Oh, thank you, Kevin. on the borders of their manicured lawn. Yeah. Wow. Man.
Starting point is 01:09:26 Uh, well thank you Kevin. He's a being with a special erection. We have one last P1 here and it's from Shee who does burlesque from the past. And it is to the future. Goes like this. Greetings from March 2021. By the time this is viewed, it will be the distant future.
Starting point is 01:09:46 Vaccines are now mandatory and we've gone back to anonymous hookups and orgies. If not, then I damn well better have a fully functional Android boy toy or I'm going to freak the fuck out. May your Samoas always be drunk, your vis-deep, and your bass is flared. Wow. We have a fairly large viewership in the Burlesque community. I'm proud to say. I feel like this is not the first P1 that she who does Burlesque has gone. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:10:18 Yeah. Unless there's more than one she who does Burlesque's out there. We've met a few Burlesque pros while we've done live shows. Yeah. Always a delight. Yeah always a delight. Yeah That rules yeah, I'm sorry to say that the future that she who does burlesque is Predicting has not come to pass got to be tough to be in the burlesque industry these days. Yeah Much like us not getting to do a 2021 tour folks who do
Starting point is 01:10:45 not getting to do a 2021 tour. Folks who do a burlesque and sex worker vault types are in a really tough spot right now and that sucks. My pasties are just for my own enjoyment. Not anyone else's. I sadly put them on every morning before I leave the house. Listen fellas, I'm like you I put my pasties on one nipple at a time. Yeah Wow, well no matter what your profession or interest speaking of nipples Have you seen this picture that's going around the drunk Shimoda discord? No It's a nipple picture. There's a picture of us from Star Trek Las Vegas holding up a Friendship necklace that somebody got us. I knew this picture would get us in trouble. Ah!
Starting point is 01:11:27 Somebody photoshopped my nipple into the middle of my chest. Ah! Right, where did I have that nub in that time? Also, photoshopped are all of the wristbands on my arm. I think there's several... They said that there are five things that have been changed in this photo, and love that I found all five but it's it's a real fucked up picture. We had a good time at Star Trek last big as oh look you got extra fingers looks like oh yeah I got extra figures you got a you get the same gap in your teeth that I have in mind and I have no gap in my team. Oh, that's nice. Yeah. Let's see, starting to see some more things. You see what happens when you and I
Starting point is 01:12:08 get involved in our own social media posts? It's bad. Yeah. Bill would never allow that to happen. Bill would never have let a nip slip go up on our insta. Yeah. Yeah. We give Bill the month off.
Starting point is 01:12:20 Yeah. Well, no months off for the priority one message is you can submit yours by going to maximumfund.org slash jumbo tron. And that's because priority one messages support the production of our show. We really appreciate it. You know, how many of you need to get along with most of the time? But I don't like bullets. I don't like friends. And I don't like you.
Starting point is 01:12:43 Hey, Adam. It's a Ben. Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? A drunk Shimoda! I don't know man. I mean, I want to believe Brad Duriff's going to be on the show some more times. But in the case that he's not, he deserves representation as a drunk Shimoda.
Starting point is 01:12:59 Yeah. So I kind of want to just give him the honorary Shimoda here in case there were no other opportunities. You got to hope that he's having fun doing this. Yeah. And. But also like, based on literally every Brad Durf performance I've ever seen. I wonder if he's having fun. Yeah. Or if this is just H from a he's processing. Yeah, I worry about him sometimes. He's so great yeah you fucking crushed this episode and I think I'm gonna join you as the drunk shimata of my heart yeah yeah
Starting point is 01:13:35 good job BT well Adam we got to find out what the next episode is and how we will be doing it what the next episode is and how we will be doing it. I'm looking here. It's a season two episode, 17, Dreadnought. Torres races against time to stop a deadly self-guided missile on a collision course with disaster. I like this. I like a race against time episode. I do too.
Starting point is 01:14:03 Collision course with disaster could be disastrous. That should be the name of the episode. What are they doing? I think we're going to have to watch it to find out how we're going to watch it. I'm going to turn to goch.biz-slash-game, where we keep the game of buttholes. The will of the caretaker, where we are currently on square 19. We just snuck past a corks bar there, but we still have a his eyes uncovered, square out ahead, and a banger. Oh, did we hit that banger last time? I think I think that, I think that's why. That's why we're slumming it down on the first two rows still.
Starting point is 01:14:40 Yeah. You're required to learn as you play roll. Well, I'm gonna go ahead and roll this bone and see what I hit I roll the one so we're on to our 20 regular old episode row. Yeah But but it should be a fun episode They always are I'll be it regular. Yeah. You know, Adam would kill to be regular. I would. I would, but we're enjoying some cocktails right now.
Starting point is 01:15:13 This is a regular episode. We still have in a great time. We're having a blast. Yeah. Look at my face. I'm really enjoying this. Just not really getting that from the facial expression I see right now. When you go back and edit this episode, you can hear how often I laughed, heartily.
Starting point is 01:15:32 Yeah, we got a lot of... That was very hurtful. It's Star Trek Las Vegas. We weren't there performing, but you had a performance, Ben. And your performance was Adam laughing Yeah, this is my new comedy technology is do Adam laughing It would be hurtful if it wasn't so truthful yeah, yeah since it's true. It doesn't hurt at all right no no Good, yeah, I wouldn't want to hurt you buddy
Starting point is 01:16:06 Oh, that's impossible. All right. Well, we got to say goodbye for now We got to thank all of the friends of DeSoto who support the show at Maximumfund.org slash join or by doing things like Recommending the show to a friend or leaving a nice review on Apple podcasts We got to thank Bill Tilly, our social media director. Almost time for him to come back to work. Yeah. Up to see if he hasn't changed his number. Well, he'll be, he'll have been back
Starting point is 01:16:34 for a couple of weeks by the time this goes to air. You hope so. Maybe he's enjoying his time off so much he doesn't come back. Hey, yeah, take a hike, you bozos. Yeah, he could do better than us. Yeah. We know it. Yeah, he could do better than us. Yeah. We know it. Yeah, we do.
Starting point is 01:16:47 Um, we got to thank Adam Ragusia, who made the theme music for the program and dark material, who made the Picard song. Yeah. Really appreciate that. Hey, hey, hey, you want to see a picture of a nipple? Our discord at drunkshmoto.com is basically porn in the words. Yeah, you can probably find a picture of a nipple there if J-Poop says that there's a worse version of this also.
Starting point is 01:17:14 Cool. Yeah, so who knows. Don't go to there. Is this a warning for the discord? We've had such affection for the Discord up until now. Yeah, but if there's a worse version of this picture. Woof. Yeah, I can't imagine what it would be.
Starting point is 01:17:31 It's a pretty bad picture. Pretty bad. If you want to see the original version of that picture, follow the greatest track Instagram account, or follow us on Twitter at greatest track. Yeah, it's something you and I have had some fun with over the last month. Indeed.
Starting point is 01:17:44 With that, we will be back at you next time with another great episode of Star Trek Voyager and an episode of the greatest generation Voyager where we start to feel really bad about some of the missiles we've fired over the course of our career. Mm. Yes, speaking of missile, you got your third nipple showing. You button up the top button of that shirt, dude. Oh, yeah, sure. Make it sound. Make it sound. Y'all have got it, got it, got it, got it. Maximumfun.org
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