The Greatest Generation - Gowron Tweeted (DS9 S4E25)

Episode Date: August 12, 2019

When Odo comes down with an illness that Dr. Bashir can’t cure, Changeleader invites him to her new home on Golden Pond. But when it turns out Odo’s punishment is more of a life sentence, everything is about to get harder for him. How do you know when Archanis is on the table? Is aggressive flirtation a kind of science fiction? Is Kira being punished too? It’s the episode that uses every Instagram filter!

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that had to do with Deep Space Nine and then I flipped to the last page. Oh yeah. Very last page of Star Trek Mad Libs is about Deep Space Nine. Would you like to do that with me? I would. One, two, and you people, you're all, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I's a weird one. I've been doing madlibs. I've been doing madlibs my whole life I don't think we've ever seen that one. That's a that's a new clue. Yeah, P.W. Herman. Noun Topo Chico

I'm just doing the thing where I look around the room and pick something. You really a P tower griffening. Yeah Adjective. Mmm, silky. I'll let you- your imagination. Tell you what I looked at to come up with that one. Noun. Tribble. Adjective. Foamy.

Noun. Memory card. Pfft. Plural noun. Nail clippers. Verb. Sleep. Plural noun. plural noun nail clippers verb sleep plural noun

hmmm pencils verb fuck I'm just going into eight-year-old now noun! I think these are better when you go eight-year-old, so I'm not against it okay

butthole. Adjective. Swole. Animal. Dog. Verb ending in I.N.G. I can't just put gerund. Nope.

Porking. Adjective. Licking. Article ofking. Adjective. Licking. Article of clothing. Cockroeing. Adjective. Textured. Then the title of this madlib is a tour of Deep Space Nine.

Hahaha. Being so close to the peewee herman wormhole and having access to the gamma topa-chico brings a lot of silky beings to Deep Space 9, which is very exciting. It also allows for interstellar triple and foamy conflict, but life on a space memory card is not excitement and nail clippers. Starships come and sleep, and you need to help nearby pencils on a day-to-day basis, plus you have to fuck with the Faringi while dealing with the founders, who can change buttholes that will. One day your buddy will be a swole woman.

Sure. And the next day, a dog. But porking with Captain Cisco and Commander Naree, so all the time, is totally licking. So hang on to your cock ring and get ready for the time of your life, textured years. On Deep Space nine. Wow That's interesting that that's the only deep space nine one in that book. I know. It's definitely post season three Information in there, right? This is copyright 2016. Huh? So what the hell? I don't know. We had been going in order on this and they and there are ones about the movies

There are ones about Star Trek Voyager They they kind of bounce around there's there's TNG stuff in here. Yeah, but Only one that I could find that was Deep Space 9 related so there you go. Wow. Hey Adam, I got a package that's addressed to us. Do you think I should open it on air real quick? One of the rare episodes with two different Marin Opens in one? Yeah, I mean, it's the end of the season, so we could blow it out.

Have at, man. You don't want that food spoiling. Captain, I'm sorry to disturb you. I'm receiving a code 47. Verify? It is code 47 sir. Start lead emergency frequency. Captions eyes only. Yeah that's that's sort of what I was thinking.

It got sent to the maximumfund.org mother ship and our good buddy Danny Baruela. Let us know that he had a priority mailbox for us. That's appropriate right? The fact that it was priority mail is what makes me concerned that there might be something that could spoil in here. Oh but I... Now that I see what is within the box, I'm looking at an inner container that says not for food use. Food consumed from this plate may be harmful.

Can you guess what that might be, Adam? I have a hope and a suspicion that it is a Franklin mint plate. Yeah, it's the same octagonal styrofoam container that my, uh, my worth plate, uh, lives in. It's a warish plate. Because I haven't gotten around ordering the commemorative plate hanging brackets that I need. But now that I have two, I feel like I can't avoid the issue any longer. Do you want to take a guess at who is depicted on the plate before I open it?

The moment I buy those brackets for the wall bin, my marriage is over. So that would be a real suicide by cop situation on my part, or I to make such an order. You have the problem of your recording space as part of the living room or the Dan or something in your house. Never used to be that way. Yeah, my recording space is kind of my own studio, at least in this apartment. So I have free dispensation to decorate it, however I want.

But you wanna throw out a guess at who's gonna be on this plate when I open it up? I am going to guess Deep Space Nine Era War. Oh wow, interesting guess. There does not appear to be deep space nine era worth. Oh wow! Interesting guess. There does not appear to be a note of any kind, but the from label says Hubert last name withheld and no return address from Hubert. So that's a combination that's typically threatening.

Yeah, Hubert, this could just gas me to death when I open it up. It could be some sort of trigger, trigger device. Well, at least I got that last mad lives in before the end. Oh man, Adam, it is a red shirt, but it is not deep face nine, or it is commander, raker, William T. Hey. It is Commander Raker William T on this plate and I would say that they have even exaggerated the squareness of Commander Raker's jaw a little bit in this painting. He's looking extra hunky on this on this commemorative plate.

Definitely don't want to besmirch the fine people working at the Franklin Mint. However Their caricatures of some of our favorite characters have missed a couple of times I'm speaking specifically of eyeliner captain becard. Oh, yeah, but also it looks like lantern jaw commander riker Can you shoot me a pic of that? Can you Jackie and Laurie me that that plate? Yeah, of course Jackie and Laurieing refers to? Yeah. Of course, Jackie and Laurie refers to another show on the maximum fun network featuring Jackie Cation and Laurie Kilmerton, where they often talk shit about other comedians and write the name on a piece of paper and pass it back and forth between each other so that they don't have to reveal precisely about whom they are talking shit to the listening audience. Yeah, and in this case, you're just talking shit about a plate.

Yeah, and in this case, it's the Franklin mint that I'm really talking shit about. I don't hate the Franklin mint. I hate what they made Commander Riker become. Wow, he's sticking that chest out. I hate the Franklin Mint. I hate what they made Commander Riker become. Wow, he's sticking that chest out. Yeah, this is plate number 3763B from the Hamilton Collection. And there's a certificate of authenticity here signed

by James P. Smith Jr. Chairman, comma, the Hamilton Collection It has zero value without that certificate of authenticity, man I'm really glad you have that part Oh man, well thank you Hubert or whoever you are if that is your real name Last name, name with Eld?

Yeah, yeah, which is a flop house thing to speak of another maximum fun podcast. Boy, really spreading it around here. Yeah. Just filling our show with ads, Ben. You're always jealously guarding our show from mentions of anything else. Just mentions of better shows is what I defend against mostly. Hard to think of a show that isn't better than this, Adam. Yeah, that's true.

And hard to imagine a show that's better than a season finale on a Star Trek series. And that's what we're here today to talk about. It's the season finale of season four of Deep Space Nine and it's called Broken Link. Do you realize how many... How many of these scenes? No, of course you don't. So the opening scene is Odo being summoned to Garrick's tailoring shop. And Garrick is kind of positioned himself as a matchmaker in this scene.

Security chief Odo, I'd like to introduce you to Shalan Aroya, one of my best customers. Odo initially thinks that this is like some kind of security issue, but it's not. Garrick's looking to set Odo up with a lovely bejorn woman. A lovely bejorn woman who is all up on Odo's dock.

Like, she's not subtle at all. No, she's heard that he can change the size and shape of his dong and she wants at it. And she is the owner of a new bejorn restaurant on the promenade and she is wondering why Odo does nothing but walk by on patrols and does not come and partake of her ample buffet. She's the restaurant here, but it is Garek

who has served in the snacks today. Okay. Ah, she's laying it on real thick. It makes me wonder how adorned her food is in her restaurant. If it's especially sauce heavy. Oh, you think she might overgarnish her dishes. I do get that feeling. Boy, she is like one half step back from obnoxiously flirty.

She is instead just very aggressively flirty. Yeah, in a way that could be perceived as science fiction to some people. I have certainly never had a woman come on this strong. Yeah, but Odo, a bit of a snack himself, so who knows? Would you trust Garrick to set you up? I think I might.

Yeah, hard to say. I mean, like, he's very untrustworthy in many things, but I don't feel like he would, he's untrustworthy in the areas of love. He has deep knowledge of basically everyone on the station you have to assume. And he's done an extensive background check. She's been, she's undergone extreme vetting.

I kind of feel that way. And I think this is one of the reasons why Garrick chastises Odo so much for blowing it with her. Because clearly Garrick had put a lot of time and thought into this match. And Odo, just like, he's like the kid you're like trying to play catch with. And you like underhand toss the ball at them

and it hits them in the chest and it falls down and then their reaction time like claps at her hands together. Yeah, he's lulled this ball. Yeah, he's totally done that. Not good, Odo. She walks out and Odo does not make a date with her, does not close the deal in a way that really pisses Garrick off.

You should be locked away for that. But they don't have much time to talk about this because Odo is suddenly overcome with a fit of goop. And he collapses on the floor and Garrick actually comes and uses Odo's combat to radio to Bashir. There's a medical emergency. Garrick goes over to the wall and his AED and puts the paddles into the goo. It's not working! Yeah, it's a goo into show open for deep space nine.

Sure is. Not looking good. And so we get Odo in the in the six bay on the bio bed. And at this point, he's looking pretty standard. He's not he's not super drippy yet. Yeah, because we know by now there is a stages of Odo situation with him that we've seen before. Yeah. And that can kind of go two different directions, right?

It can go like kind of shaggy direction, where he looks like a no-need bread dough before it's risen overnight, or it can go in the like super drippy direction, which is the aesthetic choice that they went with for this episode. There is a direction that they don't even get close to in this episode, which is Odo is only hurting throughout this episode, but he is never a danger to the station or anyone else as his body starts to fail. Oh, you're thinking like he could like get liquidity and like melt into the floor and start corroding some of the systems. Or like accidentally he gets really big and throws Bashir across the room like, Oh yeah. He's predictably deteriorating. Right. And

not unpredictably deteriorating. Yeah, the kind the dialogue and the visuals felt a little unsinked because Bashir keeps saying, like, oh, your density and your molecular structure are swinging wildly. But mostly, Odo is just getting goopier and goopier and occasionally having gold appear on the surface of his body. It would be great if his density were changing to such a degree that he was attractive to

objects in the room, suddenly pieces of metal are slapping against him and stuff's going into orbit around his face. Yeah. There's kind of two theories, right? It's either Odo is sick or this is some phase of changeling life that they are not aware of and puberty and menopause are tossed out as potential points of comparison. He's going through changes, lots of changes. Like my mother.

Which I thought was fun. Either way though, Odo has to remain in the infirmary so that Bashir can diagnose this. Also some gal run news, Adam They're watching that they haven't like a a McLaughlin group is your walk up in the ward room and Gal run is a threatening war over a sector called the Arcanus sector He wants to put the anus back in Arcanus this really felt to me like a gal run tweeted situation back in our canus. This really felt to me like a gal run tweeted situation. Because it's very one directional. This is a recording.

This is not a conversation. Yeah. This is Cisco quote tweeting it and saying, this is not normal. Yeah. He's watching this message with Warf DAX and Kira. And what Galron is saying is that he's demanding this territory, as you've said, and demanding withdrawals from that territory in order to claim it. War is sort of inevitable at this point.

This guy's making demands that the Federation can't possibly capitulate to. Right. The demands are like fairly outrageous. Like the Arcaneous sector is something that the Klingon ceded to whoever's there now over a hundred years ago. It's settled law and suddenly he's moving it back onto the board as a thing that's potentially under threat. Galron wrongly assumes that just because he's had Arcaneus one time that it's on the table every time. And the thing that Galron needs to know is you need to ask the table every time. And the thing that Gauron needs to know is you need to ask

and prepare every time. Yeah, the arcaneus is something that can be fun for everybody involved, but it takes a little bit of advanced warning for the arcaneus, part of that equation. Yeah. I really liked the shot of Kira, Dex, and Worf in this scene. It's kind of, I think it's a tilt-shift lens that they shot it on,

because they're sort of at an angle to the plane of the camera, but they're all three in focus. Yeah, I noticed that too. It's either a triple diopter or the lens is actually tilted so that they can all three be in focus, but it's really cool looking.

Yeah, because they're talking about this galron situation, but they're also talking about Odo, and this scene, the way that it's blocked, as you've described, and also by virtue of its dialogue, feels super quippy and sharp to me, in a way that really stuck out. Like, it's not just dialogue between two people or even three people. Like, they're really hitting the ball back and forth. All four of them are. Well well Stax's last host as argumentative is this one worse. Thank you Benjamin Yeah, like the the topics of conversation in the scene are like a very close friend and colleague of ours is Is mysteriously ill and our civilization is about to go to war But the tone is super joky. It feels friends

Quippy, yeah but the tone is super joky. It feels friends quippy. Yeah. Warp is really the Chandler of this scene. Yeah, yeah, I guess so. I guess that makes Kira the Rachel. Yeah, she's the Rachel. Is Dax the Phoebe or is she the Monica? Oh, Dax is the Monica.

Cisco is definitely Ross. Oh, for sure. It is a bit also like a Gauron tweeted situation where it's like, if we all capitulate our mood to how fucked up this is, we'll all be in a terrible mood all the time. Right, let's discuss anything else with this. Right. The argument to the extent that it could be called one is how much care to give a friend while they're hurting. Like they know Odo is in the infirmary.

They all seem to agree that Odo doesn't want company, but Kira doesn't prescribe to this because when we cut to the infirmary after the scene, Kira has visited Odo, but instead of a small gift shop teddy bear or like a mug of flowers or whatever, she brings what Odo wants most, which is a criminal activities report on a pad. Yeah, I feel like if I was in the hospital having an iPad would be really great,

just kind of feel connected to the world. Yeah, they're not gonna have those in the hospital gift shop though, I bet. Yeah, you know, he's feel connected to the world. Yeah, they're not going to have those in the hospital gift shop, though, I bet. Yeah. You know, he's been told that moving around is something that could potentially exacerbate his condition. Yeah. And he swiftly ignores that advice, the advice to stay bedridden because he's like down in some cargo bay catching a purple haired lady who's pulled some kind of diamond heist. Did you recognize her? This is Renage. This is the Baselic lady who gave Quark Lee Nalus's

hearing like last season. Yes, she looks familiar, but I couldn't place it. When I watch René Abbergenois walk around in this state. The thing that came to mind was, have you ever had to get out of a pool and then put on jeans? For example, like when you're wet and you're wearing dry clothes, there's a way that you walk that is very uncomfortable. And Odo is that. Odo is wet. And he's wearing clothes. They're not really clothes, but you know what I mean? Like that's sort of the read I get on his acting,

his physical acting and I think it's great. That's a strong choice on his part. Gold to cotton, the cotton, gold to cotton. So, he turns into a puddle and we smash cut to him in six bands. He is in much worse shape. He's way wetter, he's way goopier. He's got some real grumble guts, right? Yeah. He's covered with a blanket that I wondered

initially if that was him or not, because we've seen him turn part of himself into a blanket before. Great question. But then he like, he pulls it back and reveals that his belly is all golden right now. Bashir licks his lips, but manages to suppress his desire to get a big lick. Odo has exposed a civil war battlefield injury to his chest. And no one, and it's not a gross out. People are not, I mean, maybe that's just Bashir's professionalism. Here's the thing, it's clear Odo is having trouble holding it together. Shouldn't Bashir be providing a bucket or a bed pan for him?

Like wouldn't Odo be more comfortable if he were in a liquid state than like white knuckling himself into being a solid for the time that he is. I wondered that. Get an Odo like, be mostly goo, but just have his head pop out of the bucket from time to time. That would be great! How you doing there Odo? I'm doing okay. Just a head and a bed pan. Yeah, with an iPad floating in it. Just a head and a bed pan. Yeah, with an iPad floating in it.

Yeah. The suggestion is raised by Bashir that they go to Beijor so that Odo can work with Dr. Mora on this problem. But Odo kicks that idea right out of bed and also is not interested in going to Starfleet Medical. And then under his breath, Bashir is like, or like option three, you could go to the golden lake with the Anders. And it was like, what was that third one? That that actually sounds pretty great. Bashir is like, I could beam down with you.

Golden Lake, you say. A entire lake that's gold. Delicious. So, the plan is that they're going to go to the G Quad and see if they can't find them some founders to get Hodo in touch with. And this is a defiant mission. It's a defiant mission that Kira is not going to be going on. It's all but stated that she's being left behind because she's pregnant, right? That is the subtext. I thought that there could be like an interesting

sea storyline in this, that they didn't avail themselves of, which is, Kiri is in the military and does dangerous shit from time to time. And it is partly because of that that she is carrying miles and Kiko's baby. But does that mean like the requirements that the Bedurin militia have of her are going to change while she's pregnant. Is there a negotiation to be had between her and Miles and Keko about what the expectations are? Well, that's exactly where my head went. You get a bunch of O'Brien in this episode where he's just shooting the shit on the bridge.

But what if those scenes were instead some antithethe that O'Brien feels towards Kira about her even being there? Right. But yeah, so they don't do anything with that. And instead, Kira gets left behind, left in command of the station, and all the Starfleets pile into the Defiant, and are waiting for Odo to show up

when Garrick requests to come aboard. Right, Garrick wants to go on this mission so that he can figure out whether or not there are Cardassian survivors from the attack on the Dominion early on. And Cisco in this moment needs to come up with a reason for him to stay that is not that. And in the moment, Cisco's idea is that,

well, maybe you can just be bedside Garrick with Odo for the duration of the mission. And these are terms that Garrick agrees to. We share the same priorities, Captain. I liked the couple of security guys in the room when CISCO makes this arrangement with Gary. Uh, Gary is suggesting that they add some scarves to their Starfleet uniforms, which, uh, you know, Starfleet people are not into conspicuous consumption or displays of wealth

like that, you know, he should know that. Garex Utility is basically to be the newsprint Sudoku book for Odo during the voyage. Right. And like we were questioning before about they're not being a bucket or a bedpan for Odo, they goop walk Odo from the infirmary to the little D. Yeah. Anybody who's taken a walk of slime before knows how this feels. Yeah, but you know, the tone of this moment is meant to be significant. I mean, he like pulls down the front of his tunic, he stands up straight and he does the walk. Like, this is meant to be

a powerful moment for this character. And I think it's effective. Yeah, it made me feel something for him. It made me feel bad that they weren't going like telling everybody to clear out. You know, he's like walking down the promenade and there's a lot of extras standing just kind of gawking at him. Yeah. That's not really what he wants, you know?

And no, like it's Kira and Bashir walking with him, and neither of them is like, hey guys, come on, give him some room, like, nothing to see here. Right. Just a, just a goopy man walking to a spaceship. This is how I look now, okay? I'm, I'm trying something different. Have you ever had a haircut that didn't quite flatter your face? You've been telling me for years I should try something new, well, here it is! Ta-da! One little scene with Quark where they kind of make a gentleman's agreement that Quark should not go totally crime sick while Odo has gone.

It's a nice little moment where Quark glutes about the many opportunities he's gonna have to do crime while Odo is away as cover for how badly he wants Odo to recover and return. Yeah, they express their love to each other through their professionalism. Right, yeah. So the little D disembarks and heads through the wormhole and we get

like passage of time cross cutting, you know, like we get some laughs on the little deep bridge. Yeah. We get a Garrett keeping Odo company with his tails of spycraft. Maybe assassinating some important Romulan. It's weird to do this sequence because so little happens in these three scenes. Like we end on O'Brien maybe assassinating some important Romulan. It's weird to do this sequence because so little happens in these three scenes. Like we end on O'Brien describing like the weird paranoia he feels about living with Kiko and Kira and like conversations

that they may be having. Right, a perfect opportunity for that C storyline that would have been very meaningful to a lot of people, I think. What it does is sort of serve the weight that the ship has to do, because they've gone into the G quad without their cloak up. They're sort of wandering in the bad part of town, like driving a nice automobile, and like wearing a suit, like to sort of waiting. And it isn't long before a swarm of gem-hidar ticks appears.

Yeah, like a dozen ticks come out of nowhere. And kind of before they have even arranged anything overhales, changed leader and a bunch of gem-hidar just appear on the bridge. I've come for Odo. And it's such a confidence from her and the gem hadar to be aboard right as Cisco and gang are like impotently trying to figure out, well how are we gonna greet them?

Are we gonna go over there? Are we gonna meet them in the transport room? Like it's a nice fuck you that change leader in the gem hadar do here. That one guy almost pulls O'Brien's heart out of his chest Yeah, that really looks like it hurt. Yeah, was he grabbing on to columnine's chest hair? Oh, yeah, he's getting him by the shorten curlies. I don't know what that's like if that gem had our grab being the chest He'd just be grabbing skin

Yeah, yeah, you don't have anything to grab skin. Yeah, yeah, you don't have anything to grab. You have no dough on your on your sternum. Yeah, yeah, you'd be like grabbing a sour dough start. What are you doing? What are you doing now? What the fuck? I'm not be guard. I'm not be guard. I'm not be guard. Exactly. I felt like it was noteworthy that the gem had are with change leader are not predicting what she wants.

You know, like they are still just like, you know, raising their gun at everybody and like, well, they're never going gonna get a promotion like that then. Right, but you would think that they would be the honor guard and they would be especially good at kind of anticipating what she wants them to be doing at any given moment. That's super interesting because change leader being the most important or significant founder would indicate that her guard would be the best. And these guys are just as doofy as any of the others. They're their standard issue, Jim Hedar.

Yeah. It'd be funny if she were just complaining about the help all the time. And there are a few scenes where she like has to correct those around her. Yeah, she's like, she's constantly telling them to put their rifles down and draw down. But she goes down to see Odo.

And she gives him a handshake that brings him back to about 80% I would say. He feels better but not cured. And that's crucial. He's not drippy, but he's still wet. Yeah, so they sort of clear the room at this point. They need to have a private moment. I thought it was really fucked up that she turned to her Gemheadar

and said this is not for your ears. That is just a really cruel choice of words for a Gemheadar, right? I mean, ooh. That is just a really cruel choice of words for Jim Hadar, right? I mean, ooh. Like you genetically designed me. There's nothing I can do about this change later. Come on. Everyone leaves. And that means that change leader can start ripping on Odo for the Kira Shikar relationship

again, which is something that change leader always brings up. We still take an active interest in your well-being. She knows Odo's secret, and every turn they have made Odo vulnerable to them. It's a lot like the power move of beaming straight to the bridge. This is a demonstration of how much she is capable of knowing about Odo at any given time. And by coming right out with his deepest secret again. Yeah. Remember how we know that? Kind of hurts. Yeah. She's pissed at Odo for killing a changeling. Like it doesn't take long to get there in

the conversation. And it's because we know from before that no changeling has harmed another before Odo did and so it kind of puts Odo in a unique circumstance Change leader has had to go back to the golden pool and figure out a way to adjudicate this Yeah, like they have no there's no path to Prosecution here. They needed to come up with something on the spot. The changeling system of jurisprudence has no law to fit his crime. Right. And so she is proposing that Odo come back to the founders' home world, the new founders' home world

and Stan Trial to not do that would mean Odo will die. So here's the thing, Adam. The whole premise of this is that this sickness is sort of changeling for your under arrest. Yeah. It is forcing him to return to the golden lake, but it also kind of undercuts the whole premise

of this thing because like if no changeling has ever done harm to another changeling and he defies their wish for him to come back, then they have done harm to him. And their crime is just as bad as is. I would say that they've done harm to him just by making him sick. So what the fuck are we talking about? I think you fail to see the hypocrisy

of this proposal change later. You know, it's like a certain type of political leader doesn't care about hypocrisy, you know? Right. And so there is no choice for Odo. He accepts these terms. Yeah. And it's sort of gem had our motorcade with the little D as limo headed to the new

changeling homeworld, which I guess they they they had to move houses when their address got out on the internet. This is really irritating to DAX who is made to leave the helm. You'll be informed when we reach our destination. Yeah, and they're like scrambling the navigation computer so that it won't be able to find the planet again. It's like when someone bars your car and changes all the radio stations. It's super annoying. Oh, come on, you reprogrammed my seat settings.

Give me a fucking break. After this moment between change Leader and Odo, Garrett confronts Change Leader in the hallway outside the infirmary and the conversation does not go well, Garrett. Yeah, yeah. It is rough because Garrett innocently asks a question about the aftermath of this battle and he's like, look. I'd like to learn if there were any survivors after our attack on your homeland.

And change leader is like, they're dead. You're dead. Kodasya is dead. Not only are there no survivors, I'm looking at a dead fucking phone right now. Like, she goes so dark and basically just obliterates Garek in that hallway. Like, I'm gonna genocide your entire people for that. Ask a dumb fucking question to Garek, I dare you.

It's what's a pleasure meeting you. It's like Garek engaged in the logical fallacy that it does not hurt to ask. Boy, does it hurt to ask. Yeah, it's weird because change leader is not an emotive character, but what she does here is utterly withering. Yeah. In the mess hall, there's sort of a mess hall McLaughlin group. Is you two? Are you going to be able to find a drop of McLaughlin saying issue two for the mess hall McLaughlin group. I'll try. But he really didn't. They're trying to figure out how to keep track of

Odo once he's in the Golden Pond. Oh yeah, they want to like low jack Odo so that they can get him back if they need to. It's one of those rare scenes in Star Trek, I feel like where every idea is shot down and there is no resolution by the end of it. They're like, well, I guess Bishir and Cisco can beam down and just hang out. And Odo is like, hey, don't even try because I actually want to undergo this judgment. Cause I think Odo is basically saying,

like I felt like it was a righteous kill. Like that guy that was gonna, he was gonna, he was sneaking around on the little D trying to like disengage the safeties on the warp core or something, right? Right. So he was gonna kill, like Oda would have died, right?

If that had worked. Yeah. So another moment of hypocrisy from the the changeling leadership here. But yeah, so he's he's kind of eager to To go make his case and have his day in court. I'm making my defense justifiable homicide What do you think? I know this is a little bit unorthodox, but I have declined your offer of a public defender. I'm gonna defend myself I'm a public defender. I'm gonna defend myself. Oh, do it turns both of his hands into gavils.

I'm like Sir Anthony Hopkins and Fracture. I've planned this all out ahead of time. To be quite honest about it, I've been a pair. I've fucking been a pair. Mr. Bucket, I have to reverse back to my dead state. Oh, I don't use the bucket anymore. I fucking pay Mr. Bucket I have to reverse back to my dead state Cool I don't use the bucket anymore So when they beam down change leader walks into the pool You know there are people who jump into a pool and those who like walk down the stairs and do a pool

Yeah I gotta jump in because it you know once it gets to my my more sensitive bits you know It's just too much you know you gotta you gotta rip the bandaid off. Just jump right in. I would say I'm probably 50-50. What the fuck? Half the time I'm a pool walker, the other half I'm a pool jumper. Wow, you're a crazy man. I know, it's weird, but I was expecting Odo to follow her in with the cannonball. Come Odo, it's time. Y'all!

He's learned a lot from the salad, Ben. Yeah, yeah. And Bishir would just like run and try and get some of the splash on him. Nym-nym-nym-nym. Bishir's like trying to skip rocks in that shit, I thought that would have been really funny. I thought the comedy in this episode was not good, except for that moment.

The rock skipping was a good moment. That was really good. They're down there for an undetermined amount of time. They're warned that the trial could take a long time, and Cisco says at some point, well, we'll just wait it out it out like I don't care. They didn't bring like a tent or or like a camp stove or anything It's one of those environments that should be more sensory than it is because it basically it looks like planet Instagram filter and it looks like a place that would smell very exotic

It's it's planet every Instagram filter too like yeah exotic. It's it's planet every Instagram filter too. Like yeah, it's it's it's it's dark and gloomy. It's all the filters stacked on top of each other. It's a much less a verdant place than the other changeling planet. Like there's just a little outcropping of rock and then everything as far as the eye can see is piss. The only sense we get is sight though. we don't even really get too much of the viscous sound of a golden lake or a steam element or a smell for what this might be because I've got to imagine this lake cannot smell good. It just can't. Where did the changelings shit into each other? What is an adjective for like an amoeba? Are they amoebic in that way? Oh, wow. Yeah, I don't know.

Yeah. Well, one of the ways we experience the passage of time is Worf catching Garrick trying to shimota the torpedo controls in one of the Jeffries tubes. And he and Garrick get in like a full blown fist fight because Garrick has endeavored to commit genocide. You were trying to override the launch controls for the quantum torpedoes. I thought it was pretty interesting

that Worf came down so hard on the other side of this. He's not saying like, well, I agree with you, I have orders not to do that. It wouldn't be surprising for Wharf to take that position. But he's saying is we're not here to start a war. Garek, your proposal is interesting. However, I only shoot at cargo ships. The only orb that I will obliterate completely is my brother's head. Garrett goes from 0 to 10 here so quickly.

You cut from that hallway scene with Garrett to this scene right after, and there's no middle ground between them. Did you need some connective tissue between the two? Because Garrett's actions come as such a surprise. And I want to be clear, I love what he's doing here and I think his reasoning for it is fairly compelling to a type of person. Like, I love the put it all on the line,

science fiction plan that he's got. It's the blow up the damn ship plan from first contact. Like, what are you willing lose to to win this war? Derek asks wharf and wharf is not willing to do it. Yeah, I mean, I Guess to answer your question. I did not feel like I needed connective tissue I feel like you can just do the math on where Derek was By these two scenes and I I kinda like that about it. Yeah, I think I do too.

But he has stopped from doing the deed. And we cut back to the little Rocky outcropping on the piss planet. And Odo is spat back out of the drink a nude man. Odo, are you all right? It's not wearing his uniform anymore, and Bashir starts try-cordering him and he's like, Captain, I'm getting some strange readings. He's got lungs, he's got a heart, he's got a crank that stays one size, unless it's a

wrecked in which case it's a slightly different size but he's definitely a show or not a grower. He kind of flicks the side of it. He's like check this out. Captain Sisko, look at what it's doing here and now here. Who gets to determine what's okay? And then what's weird? I think we can tell the temperature of the golden pool by the size of Voto's crank. After he's pulled from it, he had previously been flailing around in a style that would get the attention of a lifeguard bin. Oh, sure, yeah. But neither Cisco nor Bersier jump in to try and save

him. Change later comes out and explains what has happened. They have solidified him. Yeah, Voto's been sentenced to solidity. And genetically he's human, right? He's not a pejorin or a cardassan, he's human. Yeah, because in the infirmary, Bashir says he's got typo negative blood and he is human, but his face remains

founders like as a punishment. Then I've often thought that my face was a punishment for something that I did. So I think Odo has now become my favorite character. Yeah. Did you think that that was intentionally a little cysteine chapel tablo when they beamed up from the changeling planet when Odo reaches his hand out? I think you could make the case for that. Kind of an interesting composition, I thought.

Yeah. So they're back on the station. Odo gets a blood test, and Bashir is very disappointed when it doesn't go gold. Yeah. And then Odo has to get fitted for baby's first real clothing. Yeah, because Garek having proposed genocide to Worf is free to go back and work at his station job again.

Well, he's free until such time as he has fitted Odo for a uniform, but then Odo is going to take him and lock him up for six months. Weird order of operations here. Yeah. Maybe he was like, you know, accused of the crime crime but like released on bail. Well, all the trial is proceeded and now he has to like report to jail. Odo can now blame his bad attitude on being hungry. Yeah. Because he is hungry in the scene, which eventually means he'll have to shit also. He's gonna have a pretty interesting day. Shit, also. He's gonna have a pretty interesting day. And Bishir just leans in and also piss.

Yeah, Aroya enters the scene to kind of soften the blow of becoming human. She is someone who offers comfort to Odo. And Odo is, I wouldn't say open to this, but open to this in a way that he wasn't in the first scene. Yeah. She says, you know, being humanoid has its advantages, take pleasure in your body. Relish in your body. Odo grabs a textbook and puts it in front of his garage. Yeah.s down the promenade.

Later on, Odo is talking to Cisco about his experience and he's getting flashbacks to his time submerged in the golden pond. And understandably, he said he does not want time off of work because his job was really the foundation for his whole existence. And he's got to keep doing it to feel normal, kind of makes sense. Yeah.

I think Cisco is able to understand that to have an conversation about this when everybody runs to the TV store next to the constabulary Office and is watching as every channel broadcasts, Gauron making a proclamation on whatever with the Federation equivalent of CNN. He is going to war to take the Arcaneous system. And Odo has some tea to spill from his experience in the great link about what's going on,

W. Slash Arschlash tea, Gauron. Gauron, the head of the Klingon Empire, is a changeling. It sure seems like the sort of thing that after that two-part episode on Earth, where there was changeling infiltration of the Federation President.

That's a little bit of knowledge sharing might have been a good idea, like even with your enemy, right? Yeah. Huh. Yeah. But that is the, that's the Dun Dun Dun to summer break. That's what the red phone is for. Yeah, you get to use that red phone, guys.

Yeah, we dun Dun dun into a summer break after Deep Space 9 season 4. And you're left to wonder what's going to happen in season 5. There's this 10-day deadline that Golden Gauron has put on the table. Yeah. Looks like there's going to be some war. An interesting question at the end of this episode is season five, episode one, 10 days from now, or is it six months from now? Is it Eric getting released from prison and being our proxy, catching us up for six months

of war with the Klingons, or is it the equivalent of best of both worlds, part two, or we just pick up right where we left off. I feel like for many season finalies both of the two part variety and of the just contiguous season to season variety we've picked up right where we've left off. So it would be interesting if there were a slip in time here. Yeah. Yeah I'm very curious. Morning. Morning. Morning. Morning. Morning. Morning. Morning.

Morning. Morning. Have a time. Did you like the episode, Adam? I liked everything about this episode, except its attempts at comedy save for the stone skipping scene. Like, I, uh, scene. Like I, uh, Kira, the show does so much work to build Kira up into a complex, uh, fighting character, but also like a, like a strong feminine role model. Like that's what

she is. And I feel like to joke her up with a bunch of sleaze, with a bunch of sneezing while pregnant. Like, I don't, it feels like she's being made fun of. And I don't like that. That's where I'm at with this. What about you? Yeah, it kind of makes pregnancy the punchline in a weird way too.

Yeah. Yeah, I would so love to replace that stuff makes pregnancy the punchline in a weird way too. Yeah. Yeah, I would so love to replace that stuff with more O'Brien and Keko triangulated with Kira. Like they just barely scratch into that. That's such an interesting dilemma to explore too. Like, if what if Kira wants to keep doing all of the dangerous stuff and is like, yeah, like I didn what if Carol wants to keep doing all of the dangerous stuff and is like, yeah, like, I didn't ask for this baby to be in me. So I'm going to

keep doing my job the same way I would do it, whether or not I was pregnant, you know, like, that would be fascinating. I'm fully expecting season five to start with Nanavisa tour being not pregnant anymore, because that's how the summer break goes in a production schedule. But like what a missed opportunity if they were able to construct a reason for this to happen and then derive none of the conflicts from it. Yeah. That would be unfortunate. Indeed, Adam. Well, you know what's never unfortunate is the inbox of priority one messages that we read on every episode. You want to check those out with your boy?

Sure do. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on secured channel. Need a supplement on top. A supplement. Yes, extra. The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship! Ben, our first priority one message is from CC. It is for Drew. The message goes like this.

Drew, happy birthday to the better half of our dynamic duo. The waistcoat warrior to my arts marketing maven. Hmm? The mint frosting to my cellular peptide cake. You are all kinds of awesome. May you continue to bring glory and honor to your house. Kapla! Wow.

What a lovely message. Nicely written, Cece. We need some art marketing. How do we market this pie? I guess I don't want to call this podcast art. I don't want to do this podcast art. I don't want to do it. That's not even a joke. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, happy birthday, Drew. Sounds like you got a great partner there in C.C. Indeed. We have another priority one, Message Adam. Another birthday, it's from a rich and it's to Adrian. Happy birthday to Adrian. Happy birthday Adrian though you'll probably hear it 420 days late and actually sorry I hate interrupting priority one messages but

I remember Adrian from our first San Francisco show. Remember her with the dredds? How are you doing Adrian? Actually the rest of this P1 isn't that interesting. So let's go to the next one. Well, we're done with priority one messages for the day rich. And I take great umbridge at you putting words in my mouth. Great umbridge. Wow. But I feel like I do remember Adrian. So happy birthday, Adrian, even if this is super late. Happy birthday, Adrian., even if this is super late. Happy birthday, Adrien. I totally remember Adrien. Yeah, I think our deal with San Francisco live shows

is January. That's when to look for a live show in SF. Yeah, I think so. In what is becoming one of our favorite times of year, that San Francisco sketch fest. Yeah, if you'd like to leave a priority one message, you know what to do. You had to maximumfund.org slash jumbo tron. It's a hundred bucks a priority one message. You know what to do. You had to do maximumfun.org slash jembo tron.

It's a hundred bucks for a personal message. And it is two hundred bucks for a commercial message. Hey Adam. What's that been? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? Drunk Shimoda! Yeah, I found my drunk Shimoda in that scene where change leader has walked into the little decent firmerie to talk to Odo.

There are levels to emptying the room that happen here based on her relative strength as a character. She's the heavy in the room. She dismisses the humans and then she dismisses the gem Hedar and then for whatever reason one of the security Men doesn't consider him either and He is given instructions to leave and security man nods at Odo like he has any agency in that moment at all and That choice by that actor was very funny to me. So that was something that I noticed.

Not the first weird behavior from a security person in this episode, but that was the one that I clung to. Yeah, that one security guy, like I'm gonna be the last guy to leave the room. I'm gonna let this gem had our go before me. Maybe if I stay perfectly still, no one will notice. I liked that too.

My Shemota is also in this scene. It's Dr. Bashir when changelator opens the door back up and she says you can go back in. His line read on Thank You. Thank you. Is like so withering. Like, oh, I really appreciate being allowed back into my six bay. That's great.

Everything about that room scene. There's a lot going on there. A lot to unpack. Yeah. Got that, got that cool press. Got that, got that cool press. Like, am I right? Oh, yeah.

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Cisco, Odo, O'Brien and Wharf entered Klingon territory on a suicide mission to expose Gauron, the Klingon leader, as a changeling. Damn. Wow, human Odo. Yeah, the little thumbnail of of Odo for this episode is him staring into a half-drunk glass of beer. So I guess we'll also get to see what it's like when Odo gets drizzunk. I wonder how long we're going to get humanodo. Yeah. I hope we get to ride with him for a while.

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