The Greatest Generation - Hair Mutiny Trigger (VOY S6E1)

Episode Date: May 22, 2023

When Captain Janeway and Chakotay can’t agree on an enemy, Captain Ransom has his eye scales removed by a San Diego beach babe. But when Janeway isn’t down to hang bindle with the slimers, it’s Bosch who goes rouge and stages mutiny on the Equinox. What’s the biggest physical fuck you? Does a former terrorist have credibility as a guidance counselor? Are certain conditions required to fall in love at the club? It’s the episode that doesn’t want you to murder!Support the production of The Greatest Generation.Friends of DeSoto for Democracy.Friends of DeSoto for Justice. Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Caretaker!Music by Adam Ragusea & Dark MateriaFollow The Greatest Generation on Twitter, and discuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen!The Greatest Generation is on Twitch.Facebook group | Subreddit | Discord | WikiSign up for our mailing list!Get a thing at podshop.biz!

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This is one of those cinder block buildings that you know, it'll be hot tonight. It feels it feels great for now. Yeah, feels nice. It's nice. Why are we on video today, Adam? Why am I here is a is the main question that I've got. I apologize for that. I suppose this is somehow my fault. We've got some packages here. We thought we would try to do a code 47 while looking at each other

during, oh, yeah. In a brand new way. It's, it's, it's very exciting in many ways. Finally, I'll get half the stuff. Yeah, that's actually great for me because it's starting to be kind of a problem in my house. Yeah, I walked in through your warehouse and I think a little thinning out could be good. Yeah. Captain, I'm sorry to disturb you.

I'm receiving a Code 47. Verify. It is code 47 sir Stockly emergency frequency Captions eyes only This first one we have here is from Rob M in false church Virginia Rob did the multiple postage stamps on a package mood, which I love like I always do that because I don't measure for postage and I just put on

What feels like eight stamps like this is an eight-stam That's all be enough right. Yeah, and then if it comes back it comes back I tend to measure my postage from the base Hmm. Yeah, and the post office does not appreciate yeah, yeah I'm not great at mailing things because it wasn't that long ago that I mailed my passport in for renewal and then didn't include the check to pay for the renewal That was fun That sounds That sounds like something I would do not something you would do I I get the honors here. Yeah

Okay, it's been so long since you've opened something from one of our Your friends of the soda. All right, here goes. This looks potentially fragile. Let's start with the note here. Ben and Adam, we talked on the computer during your tour, and I said I would send some coins, my bad for taking so long. Your show has been a huge positive in my life, from commanding a squadron to being on staff

in the Pentagon. You are absolutely hilarious. A coin from the joint Staff for each of you. Thanks, Jens. From Rob. Wow, I am really excited to open up this sack of coins. See what we got here. I'm just glad that Rob is still on the Joint Staff

and not leaking information on the Discord server. Wow, check these out. Whoa. This is Pentagon on one side. not leaking information on a discord server. Wow, check these out. Whoa. This is Pentagon on one side. Positively pentagonal. And a beautiful relief on the other. Dang.

We really do have friends and high places on this show. I mean, we've got CIA, we've got all kinds of intelligence people. My friend Matt used to work at the Pentagon, and he doesn't any longer, but I wonder if Matt and Rob ever knew each other. Maybe. I mean, it's a small building.

Not that many people work there. I know. Maybe enjoy the meal in the lunchroom. The one lunchroom that they have? This is really beautiful. Thanks, Rob. This rules. This is like one of the coolest coins we've received. I mean, I think everyone who has thought to send us

a challenge coin, our treasures to us, but wow. Yeah. I recently ordered off of Etsy a challenge coin display case because I realized I'd kind of come into enough challenge coins that I, I, You know, sufficient, it was a sufficient amount for a case. It wouldn't be embarrassing to put like the number I had in a case. The case that I ordered not big enough

for most of the challenge coins I have. Oh really, they're made for the littles. Yeah, it's made, it's like, I have magnum challenge coins. I need the big case. I wonder if you could go back in time and get the Pog case. Because these seems like these would would be Pog size. These are smaller than a lot of the ones.

Like I think ours are like two inches in diameter, which is bigger than average. I can't eyeball the lengths like that. I don't know what that looks like. Yeah, it's a girth thing more than length. But yeah, thank you so much Rob, these rule. Much appreciated. And thanks for everything you do at the

Pentagon it is a serious place to work this next package here Adam is from Haslab Josh Hazard and Monroe Washington oh I know the Haslab the Haslab Centus Odo's bucket they did yeah I think we've talked about the fact that I spent a lot of time making a documentary in Monroe, Washington. Yeah. Way the hell out there. It really is. Alright. Ben, Adam, hello. I'm Chief Hazard.

You may remember me from such code 47s as the greatest tricks USS Discovery popcorn box. And the Odo bucket of oatmeal. I make props and I enjoy watching your show so much that I went and did it again. All of it, each and every embarrassing episode. I don't know. As luck would have it, I happened to be listening to the Sub-Rosa episode,

the first time I heard an ad for one of your ghostfucker candles at podshop.biz. Podshop.biz. And I thought to myself, these guys need themselves a Ghostfucker candle. Now I've gone and made you your very own screen accurate Ghostfucker candle with remote LED candle, so you can turn it on from anywhere, on stage, in the bedroom, or even in the bath. Gotta have those naked now episodes.

How about that? So Chief Hazard is on the other side of that issue from you. Yeah, well I'm not changing my position. Well, because I would splash around and Mike's would pick that, right? Precisely, yeah. I really love hearing you all say Ghostfucker candle. I think we could get a Samuel Clemens and Benjoren tablets to talk about this fantastic new product. Stay a little bit embarrassed, Chief. Hmm.

It sounds like the Chief sent us something great for our next touring tablo. Indeed. PS, well, only one of you can keep this LED ghostfucker candle in your home. The other can have this small blue bag I've also enclosed. It is not glitter. Disonner to the house of glitter.

It is instead glitter, dishonor to the house of glitter. It is instead instant cosplay. Well, I'm a recurring character, but the ghostfucker candle deserves that honor even more than me! Alright, oh wow, there is a remote control as prom. Sure is, yeah. Total professional over there. Oh man. It really looks like it's screen accurate. Yeah, I think it's 3D printed and then painted. It looks like an old piece of iron. It really looks great. Yeah, but like, it's a light enough material

that you could like hit somebody in a stunt on camera. You know? And this is great. Thank you, Chief Hazard. This is definitely going on stage or our next live show. Yeah, if we can find a way to safely travel with it. What's this blue bag?

It's instant cosplay. What's that, Julia? Let's find out what Adam's taking home. Oh, cool! Wow, nicely done. What's in the blue bag for those listening at home is the mobile emitter prop recreated lovingly by Haslab. That looks great!

Oh man! And a central item to today's episode. Yeah, I could just whack you with an iPad and turn you off, couldn't I? Not that. Oh, I'm already turned off then. Oh, okay'm already turned off, Ben. Oh, OK. Fair enough. Wow, well, thank you so much, Haslab. This rules very, very exciting stuff here.

We're going to put the Ghostfucker candle in a place of honor. I've got to put the challenge coin there, too. Oh, so that's what you've picked up there. I think are two-parter package. These are from our buddy John Green, designer of Podchap.Biz's own Trunks Trunks. Oh wow. Should I open one before the other? I don't know if there's an order to this. I think let's go with the card first then. Yeah, I think John Green mentioned that they were going gonna be sending some other stuff as well. All right.

Oh boy, this looks like the original trunks are van. Oh man, cool. I wanna get it out of this bag. How did we manage to get two like, SponCon moments for things and push upup that is out of this code 47? Check that out. Dang. It's beautiful.

So it's the car that's whirved around the trunk of an elephant, slammed into a tree trunk, and the trunk of the car opened, and there's a steamer trunk inside. This looks like it might have been the initial sketch, the concept sketch. Oh man, this is great. Oh yeah, and here's like details for... Oh, because there's the pattern, right? There's the one that's on the red background as well, where it's just the different items kind

of broken out as floating objects. Man, get yourself some trunk strunks and get your hands on this beautiful artwork. Very cool. Thanks John Green. Yeah, this rules. Oh, and I guess we have another box. We do. This one's heavy. Maybe it's got some gold trunks, trunks in it or something. John drew a pretty screen-accurate

Ensign Mariner on the box there, with the USS Cerritos flying past. Oh, yeah. Pretty cool. Gotta save the box. Yeah this box is cut out that cartoon. Oh man we got stuff characters of John Green's investigators. Wow. Are there squeakers inside, oh look they're like they're reversible It's one character on one side and another character on the other Oh, this is great Oh, yeah, yeah, John Green makes these books called the investigators and these are the two main characters in those books

Oh, look here's why the book the package was heavy These are the two main characters in those books. Oh look, here's why the book the package was heavy Cool books included as I understand there are some greatest gen Easter eggs hidden in some of these books So this is really great. The ruin is gonna be is gonna grow up an investigator's kid those banner actually for me. Oh, so yeah, I mean maybe we can get to own some books at some point I already have some that John Green sent over here on my bookcase So you can have these ones and drones and keep those all right, okay Yeah, you can have those and I and drones and keep these it doesn't matter to me

I don't I honestly don't think the Ron will miss them if I took them all so maybe I'll just do that Wow, it's a huge slam on John Green, our listener that was nice enough to design a product for us and send us this really thoughtful box. I appreciated it so bad, I want this whole stack of books. Alright, that's yours. My dog won't go anywhere near this stuffy because it has no squeaker inside. Yeah. I was a good job by John Green, not designing it with that in mind.

We've entered a new era where Darwin doesn't automatically assume something that has a squeaker in it is for him. It's real weird. I didn't know that was possible. Yeah. All right. Hey, thanks, John Green. Thank you, John Green.

And thanks to everybody that's something in this is our last package here today, Adam. This one's from Dave Ellis of Ellis Studios. I usually don't say people's last names unless their last name is the first word in their business. That makes sense. Out of Sanford, North Carolina, Dave also put our names in a cool Star Trek font on the address label, which I really appreciated.

That's why a couple of months ago you mentioned John Light as one of the words in the business that sent you a pack of draight. Mm, yeah. Hi Ben, Adam, Bill, and Wendy. Once again, thank you so much, not trying to sound like Will Wheaton here. We're taking the time to record some lines for my Star Trek fan film 3.5.9. Oh yeah! Yeah! It might not be official Star Trek, but I take some pride in the fact that I was able to go where no big rod production has ever gone before fulfilling your wish of being unceremoniously

blown out an airlock in the Battle of Wolf 3.5.9. But within the first minute of the film, I was also really happy that Wendy and Bill agreed to be part of the action as well, and it was my pleasure to put them in command of their own starships, even if sedships were doomed from the get-go. I was a film and TV major back in the olden days, but I never managed to make a career of it. Post as I got was becoming a video game writer and designer, including writing the script for Star Trek, Colin Klingon, Honorguard.

I sent you a copy of the Game of Wild back. I remember that. I also remember that. I think we never figured out a way to load it up because we would have an old PC, but I still want to. The letter goes on to say, this was the first time I've made a film since the late 80s and hence the first time

I made one that wasn't shot on 8mm sound or VHS. So it was a bit rusty, technology is way better now. I had forgotten how much I love filmmaking, I had a blast making it and I hope you all had some fun in the process as well. And I hope you enjoy the film, as a thanks I've imposed a DVD copy of 359 plus outtakes and other special features for all four of you. Make sure Bill and Wendy get their copies and make sure you take note of the credits on the back cover.

Happy to have put you one step closer to your on-screen Star Trek dream. And let all the FODs know that they can watch 359 and revel in your untimely demise at LSU Studios 359.com. That's ELLISSTUDIOS359.com. The Vongin Prosper and Kaplah Dave Ellis, PS. I hope you were, or are, if you're reading this before March 26th, able to make it to the online premiere. Sorry we missed it. I had a family obligation.

Adam has no excuse. I was there. PPS. I was there, so was Wendy and so was Bill. Oh. So it would appear everyone beside you was able to attend. PPS, not that you asked, but I did find myself a drunk Shimoda. Shimoda, actually. They're the two engineers who during the intense battle, they would ultimately result in

the deaths of 15,000 people. Broadcast, they failed attempt to repair a plasma conduit to the entire fleet on an open channel right up to the moment that they got blown out and airlock. Hmm, well that's a great looking DVD box art there. Yeah. Dave, I'm so psyched that we got to be a part of this and I can't wait to watch.

And we'll be sending the other copies to Bill and Wendy. Yeah. This rules. Yeah, very cool. Thank you so much. Bill Tilly and Wendy pretty good. Oh, we're both on the credits on the back. That's great. And they've got the like legally required Star Trek and all related merch. Yada, yada, yada. Legal boilerplate. Gotta do that. That makes it feel really official. Yeah, feels real. When you're avoiding litigation, nothing can feel more real than that. Yeah, I love it.

I can't wait to watch. Thanks to everyone who sent something in and thanks to everyone who watched here on YouTube today. If you are listening to this and would like to have seen the things, as we opened them, you can do that at youtube.com slash greatest track because we are putting these code 47s on YouTube now. Yeah. Let's get into the

episode. What do you say? Oh yeah. Big one today, Ben. Yeah. It's Star Trek Voyager, season six, episode one, Equinox Part Two. Reaver course. Unless you've got something a little bigger in your torpedo toots, I'm not journeying around. Sorry. So where we last left her, Janeway was under attack by a skinny slimer.

That's great, Ray. Save some for me. Janeway was in a bad way. It looked like she was done for, but when we come back from summer break, it's in fact, your Kote, that's the one that's getting got. I really wonder how much time they had to strategize what would occur during the second half, because this is famously the first season of Star Trek Voyager where Ronald D. Moore came aboard. Oh.

And he had some ideas. And I just wonder because this is the only Star Trek series to exist right now at this time. There's no overlap with any other show. I wonder if that kind of attention from creators can go both ways, right? Like, right. A lot of creative minds at work here. A lot of people just defying their salaries. Yeah. And if you look, I think if you're just looking at the whiteboard of character names

and you see Chico Te, you're like, maybe it's time. Maybe it's time to freshen that guy up. Yeah. I'm concerned. I was thinking about how many different ways the Voyager makeup department has come up with over the years to make somebody's face look fucked up. Yeah. And this was a whole new way. It's kind of like a half-desiccated, I guess. Yeah. He looks pretty unhappy is rolling around on the floor of the bridge.

Jane Wig got a little, a little dusting of desiccation. It's going to hurt to go take a shave so bad. Like, out. Roodle. Yeah. Janeway gets the shields back up by boop and some buttons and doing something that will affect her, but it buys them a moment. And Harry came reports, two people are dead. They've got engines that are out of commission after this slimer attack. This is not good. I mean, the Voyager can't afford to lose crew people, right? This is a scene of really great accounting because we get the information about the dead and the wounded and then we cut right over on the heels of that to ransom on the bridge of the equinox.

And he knows he's left Voyager defenseless. And when he gives the order to go ahead and light on out of there, right on the heels of the dead and the wounded off of Voyager, just make some look as bad as possible. It's an interesting moment because I think John Savage really played that for nuance. He is giving ransom a little pang of something when he hears that Voyager is really fucked up, but he's too far into this at this point. He can't stop everything he's doing now.

It would be unmotivated and against character. So at this point, you started to develop some real empathy for the Captain Ransom character. Yeah, I was like, oh, but it's, you know, it's not his fault that he did a bad thing. Yeah, he just doubles down and doubles down again. Yeah, so meanwhile the evil mh is succeeding at tricking everybody that He is in fact just good old dock hollow day

He's over on the boy adroit like patching people up and stuff Yeah, he seems to have integrated himself into the crew a little better than the last time we saw him which was awkwardly and maybe on the verge of outing himself. Right. Could you be more specific? Feel like, oh yeah, like I found his mobile emitter in the hallway, and like, let's turn him back on and not suspect anything. It was like, that was fun. I think that that's like maybe the funnest sub story of this whole two-parter is the like, we don't know that the doctor is actually bad.

Yeah, I like not seeing what he's doing at all times to to keep that sense going. Because if they'd like turned on the mobile emitter and Andy Dick had popped out, they'd be like, they would know instantly this person is bad. This is a bad person that has done bad things. One of the details I really like about this six bay tablo is like they're pulling sheets overheads of a lot of people like sheets on heads and biobads like all around but there are survivors made to lay on the floor without sheets on their heads and I just want to say if I had sustained an injury during this firefight and I was made to be on the ground, while a fucking dead body was given a bed, I'd be

pretty upset by that. Like as soon as a sheet was pulled over ahead, I would want to switch spots. Like get that body out of there. You're like, Derek is getting a bed. He's not even alive. Yeah. And he was an asshole when he was alive. Yeah, you got me down here Underneath so would this be the moment that you start suspecting that something is a miss with the image Do you think this is evidence? That's a great question. Yeah, the really image would never do this I mean, he's like prickly, but he's not cruel. Yeah, yeah I mean, he's like prickly, but he's not cruel. Yeah. Yeah. Is that like he doesn't have an ethical subroutine?

Yeah. I didn't like that. Yeah. So Chico Tay has been diagnosed with Freddie Caruca face, but he's going to be all right. But he doesn't have Freddie Caruca hat or hand. No. You know, that, that's very promising, you know. He and Janeway have a disagreement here. The first of many

throughout this episode about just who the enemy is because Chico Te is like, yeah, we got to figure out what the deal is with these skinny sliders and Janeway is like, I don't care. The equinox is our enemy now. Yeah. Janeway has fired the fuck up about the equinox and they are not seeing eye to eye on this. Over on the equinox, seven has interrupted beach time with Captain Ransom, which is just, you know, he's under a lot of stress. So it's really therapeutic for him to go back to his fucked out quarters, sit in his comfy chair, put on his little hollow display, and look at a beach.

Captain Prynika would have that hollow display thing on the desk, but would be like, I've got too many things to do. I can't indulge in a video game right now. And you'd be like, I don't know. I'd be angrily cleaning my quarters of all the girders. Throwing girders out of the hallway.

Yeah. I could do, yeah, I could have no comforts cleaning my quarters of all the girders and throwing girders out of the hallway. I could do, yeah, I could have no comforts before cleanliness. In that way, Captain Ransom and I are a lot of life. Yeah. Yeah, it could have been a terrible time to interrupt him. Knock on my door, knock next time. Yes, sir. But as it is, he had just begun the beach scene. He takes it off and seven is offered a choice. No. Brigh, pipe, or crew. And she chooses Brigh because fuck

you, that's why. I like her description of him being a bad role model in reconnecting with her own humanity. There did seem to be sort of a horny overtone to this scene. You're talking about the back of the hand touching. Yeah. I believe that's a caress, right? When it's back of the hand, it's caress. Yeah. I don't think you can caress someone with a front, right?

Oh, I can caress with the front of the hand. Really? Yeah. Wow. I wouldn't even try. No, my wife loves it. Okay. You caress with the front of both hands. Uh-huh.

Wow. Yeah. Yeah, it's great. When John tried to, like, watch to his kid's face and face off, is that a caress? Yeah, I think that's a caress. Ah, yeah. I'd prefer the break. But in face off, I'm pretty sure that that's just caress. Oh, yeah, I prefer the break.

But in face of, I'm pretty sure that that's just something that John Travolta does because he always thinks his kid has died and their eyes are still open. Yeah. You want to shut those eyes immediately. Yeah. Because the haunting thing isn't your dead child. It's their dead, open eyes following around the room. Don't like that at all. Yeah, I don't like this moment.

And it made me think a lot throughout the episode about like, this is an example of an idea not fully realized, not fully committed to. Yeah. Yeah. Because if I don't know what satisfying it is to have seven B in his imagination as just whatever she is. I really thought that there was going to be some kind of technical explanation for that too. Yeah, it just seems to be a stressed out person imagining things in their de-stressing program.

Yeah. Well, anyways, she rejects the opportunity to be a willing member of the crime that the equinox is committing. She basically just flipping shit to everybody left and right, roasting Bosch for not being good at jokes, you know, happily heading down to the brig. Which like, is running like the force fields in the brig really their top priority on the equinox? Is running like the force fields in the brig really their top priority on the equinox? Yeah, it seems like a terrible use of power. Yeah Anyways, they're gonna have plenty of time to figure things like this out because their super warp drive does not work because Seven through some wooden shoes into the power relays hence the word

Sabot gosh, do you think the main problem with Burke's sense of humor is that he has tightest well-over face? Or is it just that his jokes aren't landing? Because when you got that face, you just not have the face recombit. He doesn't have doing bits face. He's never doing bits. No.

But he does that throughout these two episodes. Like he's doing bits with BLT, he's doing bits with 7. It's never hitting. It never hits. Yeah. Bosh does not do bits. No. That's not a funny character on a funny show.

Bosh doesn't, not a fun love and guy. It's more of a, I told you when we got together baby, that you were gonna have to share me. With all the bad people and all the ugly events on this planet. That's kind of his vibe. Of course, it's long day. What? You're going to have to be optimistic to me, don't you,

because I'm going to say this once. Who? Burke and Ransom noticed that there's a hollow doctor in their computer. And when that doctor is activated, we realize that the switcheroo is still in progress because I have to admit in that earlier scene in Six Bay, I thought maybe things had been switched back and things were fine. Right. And if I had been made to wait for the months of an offseason that actually occurred during the year of of this show,

I might have forgotten completely. Yeah, there is a little last time on and they say the thing about the ethical subroutines, but I don't think that they perfectly established that evil mh is aboard the voyager and dock holo days aboard the equinox. I mean, in pretty short order, Doc Holliday is also evil MH because they're like, hey, get the, you know, seven knows the codes for unlocking our warp engines. We needed to tell them to us open her brain up and like, crowbar that information out. Yeah. And he's like, I won't do it. And they like push one button.

And he's like, I will happily do it. All of the instructions for how to do a Kern on someone are made available to the doctor at that point. Right. Yeah. They turn off the ethical subroutines and turn on the Julian Bashir routines. Dr. Please over on the equinox bridge, they're ready to go to genocide drive. Which made me think a lot about whatever happened to the bodies of the Hussnock once.

I mean, did Kevin just snap his fingers and erase them? What a waste! There's so many Hussnock to run propulsion systems off of. And this is where I could never leave Delta Rana. I didn't have the fuel. You complain about peak oil and the energy crisis. Look at me. I can't run a ship on tea. I got rid of all energy everywhere. It's a shame. That's what left him marooned. And that's what he has regrets about iPad. So Voyager does a flyby of the camera

and it's looking really cinched. Like this attack by the Fischer opening slimers has done some real cosmetic damage to the outside of the ship too. They're working really hard on an attempt to communicate with these guys. And we got one. I mean, one of them is. Yeah. Chicoete has been, has been doing his best to establish comms to make proper first contact as we refer to it. The tension of the scene is so interesting because like they're going to establish communications and Chico Tei having just had his face almost blown off by them is like diplomacy.

That's what we should be doing. And January is like phasers out. You would think that their feelings would be the opposite here. It's a tricky moment because you see Chico Tei's logic, right? Like we're going to have to like open our kimono a little bit, show a little bit of trust in order to get some trust. Hang some Bindle. Janeway is not down to hang Bindle.

She almost thinks of this as a huge fucking waste of time, but one of these slivers comes out of its hole, goes up and like looks hairy Kim in the eye and then goes back into its hole. So it sort of seems like a moderate success. I mean, this scene is unfortunate because that skinny slimer goes back pregnant. Right.

And now Harry, I can jump the hook. You just get that close to Harry and something like that is bound to happen. But then they find out that it's actually Chico Te's kid. This always happens. And Chico Te's like, well, how did this, like, it went over to Harry. This doesn't make sense. And Harry's like, ain't I a stinker?

Something about it reminds me of being in the womb. What up, Harry? Who are you? Harry Kim. Parents must be very proud. Who are you? They come as come as a pair. Who are you? Harry Kim. Harry Kim. Parents must be very proud. Who are you? They come as come as a pair.

Harry Kim. Who else is she supposed to get chummy with? Harry Kim. And you're mocked. Very proud. Who are you? Harry Kim. I lasted 20 seconds.

And you're mocked. Harry Kim. Who are you? Harry Kim. No one knows what this means until the banger's drop, right? The skinny slimer rolls in, rolls out, and then there's a beat. And then bangers start dropping. Doesn't seem like whatever they attempted here worked.

No, but what does work is the same thing that Janeway did at the beginning of the episode to shore up the shields one more time. And with another moment of reprieve, Chicoetay follows her into her ready room and really tries to first office her the hell out of this situation. But where the silk are kept? Nothing works here. No.

Not the warm vegetable broth, not a mug of coffee, not a freshly made bathtub. Nothing. Nothing is gonna unwind this knot that is Catherine Janeway. She just comes right back up over the top. She's like, I know all of the things you're gonna suggest. I'm not into them right now. She's like, openly, I do want to punish this guy. I am singularly focused on making

ransom suffer for what he's done. You're right, I am angry. I'm damn angry. She's like, I told you my problem, so you could listen to them, not suggest solutions to go day. But he's like, I'm not your boyfriend yet. I'm your first officer. And she's like, what do you mean by yet?

What's scary about the way Janeway talks about this is that she's making her mission, their mission. Like, she's talking in the personal, but in ways that are understood to be for everyone. Totally. And it makes you wonder if we're going to get a crimson tide style scene here between them because when Chico Tay just sort of walks out saying nothing, it kind of feels like that's where we're heading. Chico Tay is real fucking bent out of shape about this. And it's such an interesting scene

to me because I think that the other times they've had really big conflicts like this. It hasn't been Janeway A-happing in this way. Yeah. But she's A-happing pretty hard in this episode. Doesn't it feel out of character? I'm weird to hunt him down, no matter how long it takes, no matter what the cost. What's he? I thought we might have been buckled into an episode

where, by the end of it, none of this happens. Like, maybe after Year of Hell, this is two weeks of hell. And we undo it because we've experienced a Janeway with a singular focus to get shit done before. Right. And we've experienced her, you know, Year of Hell being an example of that, where she will stop at nothing to succeed. Right. Up to and including the destruction of her ship and the death of her crew, but it feels different here. It does.

I liked that it felt different, honestly. Like, I liked that this felt like a real conflict that was pretty well motivated by both characters and easy to see why they both felt so strongly the way they did. Like, another one, Janeway is A-haven and is being unreasonable, but like, you totally get where she's coming from. Yeah.

So we cut to the orbit of a planet where the equinox has pulled in and they say that the atmosphere of this planet will shield them from sensors while they fix shit up. This is exactly where they need to go to get their super warp engine back online. Start shoveling slimers into it like coal into a hopper. Yeah. When they're above this planet, I had a very different idea in mind of what it would be like

when they beamed in a way, team down. Uh-huh. Like, because the idea is, oh yeah, this planet also is rich with ore deposits. Go down there and start mining. And I'm like, oh shit, this is a bad task to be delegated. And when we cut down there with the two crew people, they're like, having a fun little walk about on a beautiful summer day. Starfleet's looking for ore deposits never really give prospector energy.

You know, like I want them in overalls. I want one of them to have like a hat with a real chewed up brim and like a little bit of hay in the corner of his mouth and like a slew span. Starfleet overall sound great. Yeah. It's a great idea. Why is this not a thing? That should be what engineers wear.

Gershaphylips, get at us. Yeah. Yeah. In Six Bay, the evil doc gets to work on Seven's brains. And when ransom comes in to ask for an update, the evil doctor describes the brain damage that she's about to receive during the procedure and ransom practically beg seven for the codes at this point. He, I won't say he doesn't want this to happen, he would prefer if it didn't. Because when she denies him yet again and she says she'd rather die than give them up. He's like, okay, Doc,

back to work. Yeah. This is a rough scene. It's interesting because like, everything Ransom is doing is what you would do if you were like psychologically torturing someone, you know, like if you're trying to make them think that they can avoid the pain by just giving you the information. You would do exactly what he does in this scene. Yeah. I think John Savage is playing it as ransom is sincerely hoping that she will give up the codes and they won't have to torture her or kill her or brain damage her. Do you think this is easy for me? The sight of you on that table. I thought about this in a bunch of different ways because this isn't the first scene

where Ransom comes in to check up on them and he's like, okay, keep going. Yeah. And to me, this is the point of no return for Ransom. I don't believe he's not supposed to be redeemable up until this moment, but for storytelling purposes, as soon as one of your main characters is threatened in this way, like that's when it ends. I could not feel anything for ransom after this and would prefer he to be dead. Like, there were scenes later on when he's

kind of sent out like a boss that I did not agree with. and the reason for that was someone is being tortured on his ship and it's and torture feels different than murder. Definitely. But murder also bad just for the record. I should probably make that clear. Hey, if you're out there and thinking about murdering, just know that Adam and I would be very disappointed in you if you did that. That'll sound not guilty.

I'm giving you an order. I'm giving you an order. I'm giving you an order. That underspring. I'm giving you an order. I'm giving you an U.M. just crossed the line. Unvoyager in Janeway's Ready Room, they still can't find the equinox. And Janeway's been reviewing a recommendation that Chicoete gave her in writing. That was really interesting that it was written down as if Chico Tay was trying to establish a paper trail for a relieving

of duty. He knew they were up against at some future point. Yeah. And also like, I feel like every time we argue, I like get out of control and I can't collect my thoughts. So I wrote this down as a letter in the hopes that I could persuade you in that way. Derek Hathorin. These are the ways that you make me feel. This suggestion that he wrote down is,

Hey, why don't we throw this thing in reverse? Go back and visit the young Kari. Like the young Kari know all about these skinny slimers. They basically worship them and they have a device for summoning them. Yeah. They've got to know what's going on here. Like the difference between having been invaded by space slimers because your shields are down versus lighting the slimer candle and conjuring them in a pseudo

Religious ceremony. It feels like a better way to do first contact in the way that they're going for. They're sort of slimer fuckers Aren't they? Yeah, they really are. But Janeway Holds fast to this revenge as their mission idea. Yeah, she does not want to participate in this not killing ransom project that Chico today is suggesting. His ship can only go warp six, so he can't be that far away. I like that factoid here too, because at any point, you know, Voyager can overtake them. Yeah, they said it went warp eight in the last episode, and I wonder if it can only go warp six because of the damage or because of the modifications or what? I think only when you've got the shake slimer, like just the powdery residue, you can only get up to warp eight, you can't really go into hyper war, turn and burn. Yeah, oh, you want to.

Janeways like, I know ransom. Has he done any crazy events yet? Because the next one will be to starboard. Make like a hole in the water. A pattern is established here. Ransom likes to hide. Yeah. But it's a it's a fucking stupid bit of intelligence because, oh, he likes to hide, does he? Well, we only have all of these planets and nebulars to search. What exactly is the sort of intelligence that gives them? Doesn't seem super useful.

I mean, I guess he's like headed in a general direction. Yeah. So. There's coffee in the kind of place you'd hide if your ship was damaged. This map. We cut back over to the equinox and Ransom is back at it with his neuro stimulator gadget.

He sees the figure of seven on this beach. Unmistakable, right? Yeah, there's no other blonde lady that this could possibly be, even though I don't think we see her face in this one. Right. No, not here.

But what's unusual for Ransom is that people aren't supposed to be in these devices. These are like, uh, there's a real low rent holodeck kind of situation. Yeah, this is not for sex. This is for masturbation. So down on the planet, the away team from the equinox gets jumped by a Voyager away team. I love this. Yeah. I love what a surprise it was. Yeah.

And I love that they find out that their away team might get jumped later, you know? Because the evil MH on Voyager calls the equinox up and it's like, they send it away team down to the planet. Like, they're onto. Like, they know what's up. And it's already too late. Their guys have been got. I like the repetition with which Chico Tay is made to go along with something he doesn't

agree with. Like, that Chico Tay is on the mission to get these guys. That Chico Tay stands by for the interrogation later. Like, this is personally affecting for him in some very interesting ways. It really is. So, ransom orders the E.H.O.X. crew to battle stations, which I was like, really, come on.

You guys are out good. Yeah. Voyager can outrun you and outgun you. Don't go to battle stations, that's dumb. But they have an ace up their sleeve. And that is the evil doctor over on Voyager, who's able to send them information. And Bosch being like the stone cold hacker that he is,

like they are both shooting everything they have at Voyager and also trying to go around the back door and like drop shields and do all this stuff to compromise the way Voyager works. This is straight out of the riker as Captain of the Hathaway playbook, right? Like you're outgunned by another Federation starship. What do you got? You got Gile. Yeah.

And Gile. Mm-hmm. Gile and Gile. And girls. Hell yeah. I've had. Ransom opens up his captains cooler and just throws the brusquies around. Yeah, you can ox like the defiant has a captain's thermos, but this one's full of beer.

Uh-huh. So they go weapon-tot on the equinox and Voyager returns fire. This is really happening. Yeah. But meanwhile, BLT and Maxwell Burke have kind of a secret facetime together. Like, she tries to guidance counselor him in a way that feels,

I don't know, like, if this scene doesn't exist in this episode, I think you're fine. It might be edited by subtraction to cut it actually, because it does also bump up against the, like, you officially became a terrorist, BLT. There is like a court of law argument that he is bad because he's following bad orders and believes in them. Yeah. But they're not his orders. Like, I know that in the military,

you have to like not follow orders that are crimes, but that's also not quite the same thing as like Iver announced my oath and went to fight for the bad guys, you know. I mean, I think that's why BLT takes the approach that she does. She kind of makes it a personal thing between them. Yeah. Instead of a professional thing. Smart of her to do that. Tom is like, Blahna, why are you talking to him again? You get super jealous and like, it's this whole fucking thing. Paris is basically nowhere to be found

this episode unfortunately. Doesn't get a lot to do. Yeah. I mean, he's like, he does a little bit of like medical staff stuff at one point. Ransom has a great fucking idea here. He knows that he has the special device, wherein if the equinox shields drop and the skinny slimers come in they can capture them capture and kill

But the Voyager does not have that same ability and so by taking the equinox into the atmosphere a place that will have a destructive effect on both of their ships shields He sort of cooks himself in a way that outlasts the Voyager and Voyager as to bug out. Yeah, they break off the attack. And Janeway is disappointed, but she's like, well, at least we got prisoners. And yeah, this is maybe the darkest turn we've seen Janeway take as a character. We all make our own hell and Mr. Lissing. I hope you enjoy yours. You don't like to see a crew person, especially a black crew person shackled on a federation starship.

It does not look good. Bad optics and just a bad look for Janeway overall, it really gives the cheese becoming what she sent out to destroy energy here because she is so single-minded on stopping Ransom and punishing him that she will take one of his low-level people and potentially murder them so that she can get his tactical status.

Like that's the information she's trying again. And not even like the code that would solve the bomb or, you know, turn off the shields or whatever. It's like, it's general information about his tactical status. This may be a nitpick, Ben, but you will remember that Janeway is like, it's not murder, I'm just gonna leave the room. And skinny slimers will do the rest. And Chicoete is like, skinny slimers don't kill people, people kill people, Janeway.

I love how this scene is blocked because when Janeway levels her threat and then leaves to go do some compute now outside. Chicoate has got to follow and Chicoate fights this. He does not agree. Democatrin, you're panicking. He's going to talk. He is not able to intercede.

Like the computer won't listen to him. The only way he can intercede is by going back into the room when the fissure opens and closing it with a hand phaser. But this was a moment to me where I kind of, like, I understand Shikote's initial strategy of like, I got to shoot the skinny slimers to save this guy. But if Shikote gave himself up, I think that would have snapped Jane way out of this out of whatever angry fugue state she's in like if Chico Te would be like I'm staying in there too and also here's my fucking dustbuster. What are you gonna do now that Chico Te does not put his life on the line either.

I mean who the fuck is less like like he's probably not the right guy to die for. like he's probably not the right guy to die for, but I really wanted a scene like that. Right. And this is what my problem was later on, when Chicoate is just relieved of duty and goes away and doesn't fight, I wanted more fight out of Chicoate and I think putting himself on the line here would have done it.

It would have. It changes the rest of the episode pretty substantially, but that I mean, if to go let's note this though like if to code a does My punch up. Yeah, and then he's relieved of duty at that point I think the rest of the episode still works. Yeah Yeah, but I don't think you get him relieved of duty at that point because the scales would have already fallen from Janeway's eyes right and

This would be mostly just an operation where everybody was like cleaning all the scales would have already fallen from Janeway's eyes. Right. And this would be mostly just an operation where everybody was cleaning all the scales up off the floor. Yeah. And he'd know whose job that is. Neelix. He's going to make some fucking stew out of those scales. Right. I've got to get that.

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And he says like okay, like you know we're fucking serious. Now, like give up the information and Janeway is like, so fucking rip shit at Chico Day at this point that she just like walks between him and lessing out of the scene and goes back and is like going to do her other shit and not do this now. When you walk between two people, that is such a physical fuck you.

Yeah, it gave the same kind of energy as Sam Jackson drinking that guy soda and pulp fiction. Like the most insulting thing she could do in this moment. Any at the spot? It's like when you go to a after festival party filled with your peers and like another podcaster stands in front of you and closes you out of a circle.

Right, like you're just not even there. And yeah. And you're like, you're on our same network. What are you doing? It's pretty fucked up. So later, there's a McLaughlin group. It's your one. And there's something different about this one.

Everyone's standing. Yeah. That gave it a real different energy, I thought. So stand up McLaughlin and Chico Tei's kind of running it. Sounds great. That sounds great. Janeway is like off like leaning against the window. Like, all right, fine.

Have your little McLaughlin. That really gave it that energy, but because you don't see the beginning, you don't get the idea that maybe Chicote called it. Yeah. So, the plan is we're going to go find the uncari, and there's some closer by than we realized. Speaking of things, we don't realize the evil images in the room for this, just listening in and getting all the tea.

Does he pass for the good doctor here? I guess so. Like they didn't put like dark circles under his eyes or, you know, beady. There's something kind of magical about Robert Picardo here. Like he doesn't sail a whole lot. He asks a relevant question to the meeting. Did our prisoner disclose any other information? I'm afraid not. But like there's something just off of Adam that you can't quite place. And that makes his performance a lot of fun. It really is. He's played so big before when he plays alter ego doctor.

Like it's so much more menacing when you just can't be sure. He's fucking scary in this episode. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, both versions of him are fucking scary in this episode. Yeah. Because the other ones like singing and shit. As the meeting breaks up, Janeway like really commits to dying on the evil hill that she is on. She relieves Chico De of his command. He goes straight to his quarters and starts dismantling the bathtub that he's been building. What's happened to you, Catherine?

I was about to ask you the same question. She's fucking pissed. I was really disappointed by this scene and primarily in Chico Tay, because this is the moment when you're relieved of duty, when you go, no, you're relieved of duty. Because if you can't break up with me, I break up with you. If he really felt

like his captain was a danger, you have to do that. Right. Cause like once you're under guard in your quarters, without a mutiny that your positive is going to happen. And I'm not sure if Chico Tay can be that positive that that it would. No, I don't think he has an open hell. He's just going to be stuck there the rest of the episode, which he is. They find the Nkari, Janeway sort of forces her way through this interaction because she's like, I don't even want to do this.

Like I just want to go kill the equinox. I love that she finds the Nkari ship and just straight up tractors them into a face time. Like they can't resist Janeway's intentions here. Yeah, and it's amazing that they can't resist and she doesn't even really wanna do it that much. Yeah. Release my ship.

I can't do that. So they come aboard and they like get some skinny slimers into a room so that they can talk to them. And Janeway agrees to give the skinny slimers into a room so that they can talk to them. Janeway agrees to give the skinny slimers the equinox as payment for no longer attacking Voyager. I love Tuvac in the scene being like, actually, can we do that?

Where's Chico Te right now? It bothered me that Tuvac was not curious curious about that and didn't even seem to really like be aware that Chico Tei had been relieved because like Tumac would be the exo now, right? This should be a three-part episode because of details like this. Like there should be a scene where Tumac learns of this and then decides to ride this out until he cannot any longer and then he becomes the instrument of the mutiny. Yeah, there you go. And that's like, that really ran just the shame up

for Janeway, I feel like. If two Vock was the one to end her reign of terror. I agree, yeah. So the aliens accept this deal. Seems pretty great for them because the aliens and Janeway feel very similarly about the value of revenge. They fucking love it. All they really wanna do, Janeway and the aliens both

is fill their roommates meet, just fill their roommates bed with me. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know what your situation was in college. I never filled my roommate with me. Yeah, you know, I mean, I don't know what your situation was in college. I never filled my roommate with me. No, I'm saying like spell out the word Judas with a bunch of like, deli cuts and stuff. Sure, I get it. What does it mean? It means, a matter. It means Ray Wangay. So back on the Equinox, Burk tells Ransom that they need more alien fuel

for their genocide drive, otherwise they won't make it home. Yeah, so he's like, well, I guess we'll have to kick this genocide into a little bit higher of a gear. Yeah. That's like, hey, I don't think that these bad guys

are coming off evil enough in the script. Let's ratchet it up a little. This is a necessary callback because we learn before that they're going to need 60 skinny sliders to close the distance. So last I saw they only got one during the test of their little capture and kill thing. Yeah. So at this point, we check back in with seven and Jerry Ryan has basically spent this entire episode just in a dark room on a bed like or on a beach in San Diego. Right.

I think those are pretty good days. Yeah, yeah. The real extremes for her at the beginning of season six, but it seems like ransom is starting to get a little squeamish about what they're doing to her. I mean, how did you interpret this scene? Because it was especially nauseating to think that seven did not have the facility to resist and was being puppet mastered by the doctor here into doing this. Right. Like initially, I was like, Oh, she's still trying to do a mind game. Try to like break down his ethical wall. Like, remember how we used to sing? Yeah, well, like see if she could reason with him in a way that didn't rely on ethics or something.

But I think the revelation here is that the doctors getting up in those brains just making her do this for his own amusement or pleasure. And that's pretty gross. It is extremely dark as a scene. I mean, in all ways, this scene is dark and Ransom sees the singing and gets another opportunity to stop what's going on and resigns again. Yeah, he runs and hides just like Jane Lene said he would.

Yeah. Goes and hides in his neural stimulator, but he can't hide from seven in there. She's in there too. Yeah. When the figure in his hollow turns around and reveals herself to be a dolphin-less Seven, I would be thrilled to see her. He is not. Yeah. I mean, we've talked about it before when she takes off the dolphin and lets her hair down. It's like, oh my God, she's actually beautiful. I know. You never see this.

Yeah. She's hard to recognize here. She comes down the stairs at this beach, and his jaw just hits the floor. Yeah. She tells him to end this and to stop hiding and then she transforms into a giant whole alien. It won't hurt you. forms into a giant whole alien.

It won't hurt you. Those teeth, man, there's some big jompers on those whole aliens. Kind of hard to pick those up when they're tiny guys coming through holes, right? This big one. Real horse teeth. Yeah. I guess Slimey were ahead big teeth too. Yeah, but they were big like a hippopotamus teeth. They were like like

like dull teeth. Big chunky dull teeth. And these are like big long spiky teeth. Yeah. So even the teeth lost weight when slime was. I know. This hollow is interrupted by Burke. Yeah. And Burke tells him that Janeway has found them. The specificity of that statement says a lot. It's not Voyager. This is a ransom versus Janeway scenarios. And Burke is a good first officer who knows what his captain is gonna want next. So he offers a nebula as a hiding place.

And ransom is like, no, this time we're not hiding. He would like to cooperate with Janeway. He has been persuaded by the seven in the hollow to put down his sword and shield and make good with Starfleet. Bosh mutenies at the drop of a hat. Like without any further information, Captain the Captain the Captain the Captain the Captain the U.S. Bosch mutinies at the drop of a hat. Like without any further information, Burke is like, not so fast Captain,

you're relieved of your command. And like everybody else on the bridge is like, yeah, I think he is relieved of his command. I think you're right about that. You're so right about the hair, mutiny trigger. That Burke has, like, holy moly. And this is kind of the crimson tide scene that I thought we wouldn't get.

This was also the matchup that I didn't predict either. It's a crimson tide scene on a ship. We didn't expect and from two people we didn't expect. Right. And at a pace that we didn't expect and from two people we didn't expect. And at a pace that we didn't expect. This goes by so quickly. Ransom is so quickly out of the game.

And Ensign Gilmore is the one that is going to take him down to his quarters. And they get in another space battle. And this is another like dirty ass fight. Like these two ships are fucking throwing everything they have at each other. I love these scenes. Like I know the meaning of them is bad and this is as dark as it gets for a federation ship

but like I like seeing a space battle. We don't always get them. Like the Nacel getting blown up and then the, that looks so good. It looks great and then the Equinox is like trailing plasma the rest of the fight. Yeah. Ransom and Ensign Gilmore are team anti-mutiny

and they are down in engineering throwing Seppo into the Equinox left and right. Well, the evil MH over on Voyager is sort of doing the same. If you're Burke, how dumb do you have to be on a crew of conspirators to not think that another conspiracy could pop off during this perplop, you know? I mean his hands are pretty full with this space battle. Yeah, that's fair. I guess he was overconfident in Gilmore's commitment to the cause. He sure was. So Branson managed us to get word to Voyager that, hey, like I'm just replicating Sebo as fast as I can over here. So we can beam the whole crew over there and you can just lock them right up,

like whatever you got it to, I've turned over a new page and I'm not into slimer genocide anymore. What's too bad is like that ransom has changed sides is sort of irrelevant because when the evil doctor has sent, you know, shield frequencies to the equinox, all of a sudden they have the upper hand strategically. And it doesn't matter that the captain is now on Voyager's side, he's sort of powerless in this moment. I wondered also like if it had worked, if what Ransom was proposing had worked,

and they just beamed everybody from the equinox over to the Voyager, what would the skinny sliders do at that point? That kind of violates the terms of their agreement. It does. Yeah. I think they'd be pissed. Full diplomatic incident. I bet the Voyager would get fucked up too. Yeah. Yeah. Over on Equinox, they detect these transporters going online and a bunch of them are beamed over to Voyager. Yeah. Burke is not and ransomansom says like I'm going to go handle him myself. So off he goes and seven materializes on Voyager like passed out on the transport pad. It was a little unclear what was going to go on with Doc Hallard. Like I didn't recognize who this was because the dolphin

wasn't on. Yeah. I was like what is this like some kind of San Diego beach babe. Yeah. Doesn't make sense. No. We do have two evil doctors in the six bay at a certain point. But like one of the evil doctors is loyal to Voyager and turns off the other evil doctor. Yeah, that is such a great point. Like both of them are working without ethical subroutines. So that seems to be a problem that is as easy to solve

as it is to create. Yeah, like. Can you reprogram or something? It's kind of mentioned in a, in passing that they turned his subroutine back on later. Yeah, but in order to expedite the end of this story and the rapidity with which we're getting these scenes, like you can only just cut over to Dr. versus Dr. where the good doc wins before we're getting these scenes. Like you can only just cut over to a doctor versus doctor.

Yeah. We're the good duck winds before we're back with Burke. And I so wanted a Burke versus ransom situation. You don't get it. Like Burke and his two henches die like punks. Yeah. I like that they, I like the skinny slimers. Yeah, they get desiccated instead of a rested or shot.

It doesn't feel like justice to me. Oh, poor buddy. Yeah. It felt like justice to the skinny slimers. I'll tell you that. Yeah, that's true. Ransom is like doing that. Like there's no time, get away from the equinox.

It's gonna get destroyed. And Janeway wants to save him, but he's like, he's like, no, I've made my peace with this. Get your crew out of here. You've got all the members of my crew that are still alive. So it's time for Voyager to go. And he does what I think a lot of people would do,

on a plane that they knew is going to crash. He whips out his hallucination device and gets to it. I think a lot of us hope that during our last moments, we're wearing a cable knit sweater and staring out at the ocean, you know, yeah, with a nice comfortable way to go. Good stuff. What a nice comfortable way to go good stuff. Is the suggestion that maybe Ransom is a little like Tom Mervins in that way in his preference for loose Vorm clothing. Oh, yeah, there's a like a beautiful Irish setter running around on the beach next to him What could have been

So we're in the denumer now. The Equinox is no more. The EMH is going to get some basic computer security. That seems like a good thing to add to his program. I mean, I will argue that his is the only character with a growth opportunity this episode. No one else really learns much from this. Yeah. We get some harsh words for the new

crew members who have been stripped of rank. Janeway really lights them up and is very disappointed in the way that they've behaved despite being members of Starfleet. They're marched over to Nielix's mess hall. Poor bastards. Leola root is the punishment. Yeah, they're just peeling Leola roots. And now some awkward energy between Jicote and Janeway in the conference room. And they like could have this conversation in private, but they don't. They like go out into the bridge, which is still super fucked up and there's like girders and dirt everywhere, but it's like all lit up in a way

that it wasn't during the battles. Yeah, it's open for business. Yeah, like when you go into like a nightclub during the day and the cleaning staff is there and like all of the house lights are up, it's like it's not supposed to be this brightly lit in here. Yeah, no one can fall in love with a bridge lit like this. Like, you know, when you're watching Bar Rescue and they're like, we've had this restaurant under surveillance, but they don't realize that we're watching what's going on and then you cut to the inside.

It's like, there's no way they don't realize. Like, it's fucking bright as hell in there. They're not playing music. Like, who is going to this bar under these circumstances, but people that are aware that bar rescue might run in at any time. Precisely. I love how this scene begins. I hate how this scene ends because I love how stilted this conversation is an awkward between Chico Te and Janeway. They, they're kind of feeling each other out for where

they're going to go from here and they're distracted before they decide on what that destination is for them. Right. The best part of this scene is that Janeway does seem to admit that she was really on one and wasn't her best self as a captain during this episode. But the poetic Coda of finding the commemoration plaque and putting it up in a scene that mimics one on the equinox in part one felt like such a distraction from the fact that Janeway had made like massive errors in judgment and had indulged like the worst parts of her character during this whole episode is just like what?

Wait, there's some, we have bigger fish to fry than the fucking commemoration plaque. It's an anti-resolution to their conflict. And I think it represents, you know, because Janeway is never able to achieve, I mean, she does achieve some sliver of self-realization, but it doesn't feel big enough to represent a growth opportunity for her in any way, and I think as it is, it makes this a terrible Jane way episode. It is such a bad look for her. Bad look for her, but is it a good episode, Adam? You know, I'm really easy to get along with, most of the time. But I don't like bullets, I don't like friends, and I don't like you.

You really love this too. I think in saying that it's a terrible episode for Janeway, I also want to talk about, like what's so interesting about Rantom is like, what happens when you have a really bad two weeks? This is Starship Captain. And I'm gonna keep fucking ringing that bell because two weeks was the amount of time that they were in the ship. And to think that no Captain is impervious to that sort of stress

up to and including a Catherine Janeway, I think is really interesting to me. I just articulated that point better than the episode did. And I don't think that's right. Like, I wish there was more definition around that concept. And I wish Janeway at the end was like, you know, I became what I hated the most here. And I think we're all subject to the sorts of pressures that ransom was under. Myself included in that sucks.

And I'm sorry, I put you through that. Like an apology would be nice. I think. And I think it's warranted here. And I think because it ends this way, it's representative of a brand of Star Trek that I often am unsatisfied with, the Star Trek episode that has interesting ideas, but without the full commitment to how good or bad those ideas could be. Like, this is not rock bottom for Janeway, and it fucking should be.

She kind of got away with one here. I agree. Like, it's a very fun episode to watch. Like the space battles are really fun and good, and the way they are constructed dynamically with the like hacking and the sending codes and the like sleeper agents on board either ship. There's so much to like you're right. It's a shame that the characters suffer so much for that excitement and yeah. You gotta stick this landing. You got to bring it on home at the very end and I just don't think dedication plaque is how you do it.

And I just don't think dedication plaque is how you do it. No, I agree. So bit of a rocky start to season six. Yeah. But you want to see if anything rocks in our priority one inbox. I really do. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Need a supplement on it. supplement on it?

supplement. supplement. Yes? supplement supplement Yes, extra. The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship! Ben our first priority in message is from your frog prince, and then just to ban an atom that message goes like this. Just throwing some scarves to my two favorite podmen. Kaplaw!

I gotta give it a better Kaplaw. Kaplaw! And then your frog prince would like a rolayer and drop here. Hey thanks your frog prince. Nothing sounds as cheesy as like Kaplaw. Like like like my high high pitched, whiny-ass voice doing a cling on word. That sucks. Yeah. You gotta throw a little martac behind it. Kapla!

Kapla! Kapla! Or some like, some vogue, you know? Some kapla! Geer! Geer! Geer! Geer!

You're right. Adam, we've met your frog prints on a VIP meet and greet, I think. Sure have. Yeah, frog prints rules. Big fun. Our next priority one message here, crocodile Pickles Dundee is the one who sent it. Zando Calrissian is the one who is receiving it. Goes like this.

Well, my friend, it's that time of year to wish you happy birthday. Well I spout the joys of Australian socialism. Ben and Adam come to a live show here. The beaches are beautiful, the healthcare is cheap, and the wages are second to none. Literally. Enough of that, please have her Rogin Bain wish Zando a happy 41st. You merely adopted being 41. Adam was born 41. Yeah, I'd love to do a show down under. We are trying to make that happen. I don't know if this is the year that it will happen, but it's like we keep yelling at our friend and agent to look into it. Yeah.

So we'll pass this message along. It seems hard to do. I mean, our threshold has always been, if we break even on a fun place to do a show like this, we would do it. It just can't be an economic atrocity. Right. For us, right.

Like we want it to be Australian socialism, raid, uh, thing, you know. Right. Like we want it to be Australian socialism grade thing, you know. Like we don't want it to be Australian housing market grade thing where it's like fuck, we can't afford this at all. Right. Yeah. Definitely something we're thinking about. And thanks for the reminder. Yeah.

Well, I'm going to screenshot this and send it to our friend and agent and that will force him to find a promoter in the Anzac that can get us a tour down and a Perfect. Hey, those are fun priority one messages and we've got space for more on upcoming episodes So had to maximumfund.org slash JemboTron to book one today. Maybe think about August as a time period to target, because I'm looking at a wide open August here. Hey, how about that? Let's make it priority one August. Yeah, if Jordan Jesse Goe, our mortal enemies, can have analogist, we can have priority one August. Priority ones are our anal. Hahaha. Hey Ben.

What's that Adam? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? I think I'm going to give it to Bosch for doing bits that don't work. I think Bosch should know better by now. I'm shocked by this. I could never choose a mutant ear. What was Shimoda doing if not mutiny? He was joining Captain Wesley. Where'd it be painful to you, Captain? Gosh, you're right. You're really right.

And that way that sort of makes your Shimoda perfect. Yeah, it's going to be Maxwell Burke, double double Shimoda you talked me into it. Whoo I mean all Burke's are bastards. That's been my position a bad for for all science fiction movies and TV shows. Yeah, yeah And all bosses are bastards. They're gonna do a three-night run of aliens at the new Bev Coming up kidding. Yeah. I'll be out of town. I wish I could see it.

That sucks. Well, I'll go and I'll let you know how it is. Fun movie in the theater. Yeah. Beautiful to see that projected on film. Yeah. Wow. Well, what's say we open up the Game of Buttholes, the Wheel of the Caretaker.

It will tell you a little bit about our next episode, which is Season 6 Episode 2, Survival Instinct, visitors from the past, Present, visitors from the past present seven with an opportunity to write a wrong. So yeah, originally I was going to read that visitors from the past present seven That's great copywriting over there All right Adam, why don't you take the die in your hands and Get it ready to roll that bone Ben our runabout is currently on square 27 We're on the doorstep of tub time. Yeah.

A time I do not want. I'm clean enough. You're required to learn as you play, roll. I don't think it's possible to be too clean at them. All right, here we go. Oh, thank God, I rolled a two. Two, two, one. Did I win?

Hardly. We're on square 29. Where the tub is safely behind us. Oh, thank God I rolled a two. Two-law! Did I win? All of it. We're on square 29. Where the tub is safely behind us. Oh, man. What if we'd rolled a naked now for today's episode, Adam? We would have had to do like a sealous commercial situation where we had side-by-side tubs and open packages on camera well-nude,

probably violating the terms of service of YouTube. Sure. And probably the terms of service of maximum fun. I don't know. I haven't read our contract. It could go either way. It could have been our finest moment, our most popular thing that we've ever done.

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Really could have. I'm just glad we'll never know. Because now that the tub episode is behind us, it's gone forever. Oh, really? Yeah. Well, I'm looking forward to a regular old episode next week. And we got a couple of people we need to thank.

Actually, I have thousands of people we need to thank. Right, the thousands that have gone to Maximum Fund, Idorick's slash join, who make the show possible. They pay for the show so that it's free for everyone. Yeah, so if you're listening for free, you should thank them too. You know what the best way is to thank the people who have paid for the production of the show?

Leave a five star review wherever you listen to a podcast. Oh, I thought for sure you were gonna say I give them don't. You know what the people who are enjoying the show for free can do to thank the people who've paid for it? Pay for it! No, but really a review is a great way to let other people know about the show.

It raises this up in the ranks, whatever the algorithm does. The algorithm really, really waits for reviews highly, so get in there. That's a free way to support the show Yeah, it's like I'm gonna take you even five minutes to do it. Yeah, I think you can write a Five-star review in less than five minutes. I think this can be done I would like to see you try to take longer than five minutes. I fucking dare you I dare you to do better. I double-dog dare you. So now there's nothing you can do.

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