The Greatest Generation - Hanging Beam (VOY S1E7)

Episode Date: March 29, 2021

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Priority 1 message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Hey friends of Disodo. Before today's episode, we just wanted to take a moment to talk about the historic labor actions being taken by writers and actors in the American Film and Television industry. If you're a fan of the work done by the people who make Star Trek, we hope you'll join us in standing in solidarity with the folks who actually bring these adventures to life. Over the past several years, the AMPTP, the organization that represents the American Film and Television Production Studios, have reduced the profit from movies and TV going to workers. And in so doing,
Starting point is 00:00:35 they've attempted to weaken the labor unions that represent those workers. They wouldn't even engage the unions on many issues in their negotiations. And so a strike was the only course of action to take. Adam, Wendy and I have been having a lot of internal discussions about how best to stand with the unions and we are continuing those conversations in a dynamic situation. We're doing our best to understand where the picket lines are in these digital spaces,
Starting point is 00:01:01 and we would never intentionally cross one. With the information we have, we feel like we can do more good talking about and supporting the strike and continuing our show as planned. We'll keep you informed about what all this means for greatest trek specifically. Today we're making a contribution to the Entertainment Community Fund. This fund exists to help all the people whose livelihoods have been put on hold because the AMPTP refuses to negotiate
Starting point is 00:01:25 in good faith with the unions. It provides financial support for writers, actors, and all the thousands of laborers who make the shows that we talk about here and without whom we wouldn't have Star Trek to cast pot about. Those folks are all out of work because billionaires, company shareholders, and the executives of these companies don't want to compromise on the length of their yachts. We hope you'll join us in supporting entertainment workers in a challenging time, especially after they've already endured several years of challenges brought on by the pandemic
Starting point is 00:01:55 and season two of Star Trek Picard. We've set up a page where you can also contribute. It's at friendsofdecotoforlabor.com. That's friendsofdececoto for Labor.com. That's FriendsOfDecoto for Labor.com. Link in the episode description. Okay, now let's get on with the show. Here's to the finest crew in Starfleet. Engage! Watch your bad shot. Hello. I'm Captain Captain Brington. What are the U.S.s? What are the U.S.s? What are the U.S.s? What are the U.S.s? What are the U.S.s? What are the U.S.S. Boardhead Dr. Captain Captain Bringengwa the U.S.
Starting point is 00:02:25 Boardhead Dr. Captain Welcome to the greatest generation To Star Trek Podcast by a couple of guys A little bit embarrassed About having a Star Trek Podcast And their faces on Twitch I'm Adam Pranika
Starting point is 00:02:40 I'm Ben Harrison We're doing a little bit more live stream lately and we decided to do this time on Twitch rather than Instagram. It's hard to pick which evil corporation we want to create free content for but We're switching it up and we're trying to do this twitch thing more often But if you're interested in watching us play a Star Trek video game or something like that, we do that on our Twitch channel sometimes. But this is the beginning of an episode.
Starting point is 00:03:11 This is a Marin. You're in a Marin right now, whether you're watching or just listening. We've been doing video greatest, Jen. For years. It's great. No one's been able to watch. Couple people have been watching.
Starting point is 00:03:24 Yeah, that's true. This time's been able to watch. A couple people have been watching. Yeah, that's true. This time, it's for real. Yeah. We have a big pile of mail here that's still from the last time I went to the post office box, so I hadn't gone in a long time and we just had so much mail. So this is another round of mail. Do you want to get into the mail bag at him? Captain, I'm sorry to disturb you.
Starting point is 00:03:44 I'm receiving a code 47. Verify? It is code 47, sir. Start lead emergency frequency. Captions eyes only. Hey, look at this. I actually thought ahead about today's episode. I put tape over identifying information on the mail.
Starting point is 00:04:00 So if I hold up letters, I'm not like putting people on blast this time. Good job, are you? Yeah. Wow. This first letter here is from Ms. Bree Belky. Oh wow. Bree is one of our best friends of DeSoto.
Starting point is 00:04:18 I think she had something in the last male bag episode too. Happy 5 year anniversary, congratulations! I found you all after a couple of episodes only by complete chance. And before the media coverage, I'm so happy I did. Breathe. Well, we're so happy you did too, breathe. That's amazing. I don't know if I ever heard Breeze origin story with the show.
Starting point is 00:04:41 Yeah, I don't think I have either. You know what? I'm positive we heard it on one drunk in night in Vegas during Star Trek last Vegas when we had that hang. But, I mean, so much of that night is a blur. I remember winning a William Shatner pened autobiography. Yes. And then doing everything I could to just leave it places.
Starting point is 00:05:03 I did not want that book. That's fun. I think I ended up throwing it off of the stratosphere. Oh yeah. Look, I'm not talking shit about Shatner or his book in saying that. I just didn't want to carry something around Las Vegas. Well, I had a giant hoof drink in one hand. I don't want to carry a book in the other hand. Yeah, that's too complicated.
Starting point is 00:05:24 You're going to get sticky hoof juice all over that book. And then you're going to have to be the guy that explains why your shatner book is sticky. Don't want to explain that. Next letter we have here, no return address at them. So whoever sent this did not want it back under any circumstances. Like most people who send this thing. Yeah, it looks like a hand done starfleet logo. Oh, that's nice.
Starting point is 00:05:51 Like a hand stamped logo here. Says, dear Ben and Adam, I lived in an incredibly remote area in Eastern Canada. When I first got there, I took a walk every day with my dog. Most of those walks I was listening to you goofs. Staring at an ocean on a 30-foot cliff while I'm listening to you make jokes about Bashir drinking piss.
Starting point is 00:06:09 I'm so happy with combination. Thank you for keeping me company, M. The sign off M is the only identifying information in this letter, but thank you, M. That's a really lovely, note, I love the idea that our silly show was being consumed in such a remote and majestic location. I've only ever thought that people enjoy our show in secret and alone, but I guess I never
Starting point is 00:06:34 considered that secret and alone could be in a beautiful place. I always think of it as in a parked car at the end of a dark alley. Yeah, it's their last stall in the men's room. Maybe it's a car put into neutral and is slowly crawling down a hill toward a cliff. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Next one we've got here is actually a two-parter. This is from the Lancaster household
Starting point is 00:07:02 of Lincoln Park, New Jersey. And we've got two letters here that there's like a one of two and a two of two. You've clearly pre-tapped the addresses, but you've not pre-screened any of this, right? No, I have not opened. We've shared the tilly rule with our friends of DeSoto, right? They're aware that anything that they've sent us that is bad gets automatically sent to Bill Tilly. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:29 He's like our bulletproof vest on the show. Yeah. Okay, we've got a card here that looks like it's like a piece of fabric. It looks like one of those stick cards. You get a nice card store. Here we go. Hi Ben and Adam, long time viewer, first time writer.
Starting point is 00:07:51 These cards, yes, the one in envelope 2, which you should have gotten before getting this, both contain a woven sample. They came from a yardage I wove, a long piece of cloth, for the prompt yet red-yellow blue. The plastic in it is actually VHS tape that I recycle. I have sent two so that both Ben and Adam could have a sample each. I'm very proud of my Star Trek woven samples. Also included are two ankylo-sour stickers I happen to see during my quest for stationary. Everything else I own that Star Trek related will be mine forever.
Starting point is 00:08:31 I don't share. Love the podcast. Keep being you, shout out from the red squad slash Borg Cruise Collective. IE, those of us who have been on every Star Trek goal in the cruise Hope to see everyone safe and healthy in 2022 each you should 1,701 percent join us and do a live podcast one night live long and prosper Mordeky Wow Cool, that was an idea that we hatched a long time ago the idea of the pirate cruise Yeah, like actually going to Star Trek,
Starting point is 00:09:05 colon the cruise, and then doing a show there without anyone knowing about it. Yeah, I mean, aside from the friends of the soda who are in the know. Right, yeah. Right. This fabric is really cool. I think you could like take it out of the stationary
Starting point is 00:09:19 if you wanted, there's a little pocket to get in there at it. Oh, about that. I wonder if there's more notes on the second letter. This fabric is super cool, Mordekai. The copy inside this letter says, Y'all better have opened envelope one first, or you'll have dishonored TSA Agent Kern. I love TSA Agent Kern, and you too.
Starting point is 00:09:43 So there are two, which means one for me and one for you. Yeah, and you actually brought your doggy and your lovely wife over to the house this weekend to have a little socially distanced backyard visit. And I had a pile. First time I'd seen you in months. I had a pile of duplicates and gifts that the Friends of Disotto had set in on a card table in my garage so that it would be like, right where we would walk past it
Starting point is 00:10:12 when you came in and went out and I would remember to give it to you. And my wife saw it and thought it was a mess and took it upon herself to put everything away and fold up the card table. So that's great. I totally forgot to give all that stuff to you. So the pile grows.
Starting point is 00:10:31 You quote unquote forgot. Yeah, exactly. The thing is, you need to give that stuff to me when my wife is not around. Oh, yeah. Which I think that would be ideal. This was sent into us by Cowabunga company Cowabunga co
Starting point is 00:10:49 Let's see I gift for you. I'm glad Ben made an educational moment of the fancy tip-and-strip pen We just need the Klingon version keep up greatest chin and disco awesomeness from Bri Belky! Another Bri Belky! I hope Bri is watching! I do too! We dedicate this marriage to her. I'm gonna do my best to hold this up to the camera in a way that demonstrates the majesty of this an all-male review, Tippet Strip pen.
Starting point is 00:11:23 I hope you have a explicit content warning on our twitch because that gentleman just hung dong Wow Really unimpressive at least on the twitch Yeah, I would have gone with an erection if I was having my picture taken for a tip and strip pen I would have made the entire pen Why would that be how you for a tip and strip pen. I would have made the entire pen a dick. Why wouldn't that be how you do the tip and strip?
Starting point is 00:11:49 What would the dick be wearing to strip away though? I guess it would just be a tip and tip. It would be a tip and strip at all. Let's see if this pen also writes. Hey, it works. That's great. Thank you, Brian. Wow.
Starting point is 00:12:03 It's for writing and titillation. This will be a prize possession. Okay. Still working our way through here. Next thing we've got is from Dana O. in Portland, Oregon. And it's a do not bend, it says. Ben, we have 20 times as many viewers on our Twitch stream now. Then we did come to our
Starting point is 00:12:26 very first live show in Seattle. That's our metric for Twitch going forward. Our success metric. Yeah. Yeah. Rob really wants us to, what does it make partner? Is Twitch just a law firm? Are we in a law firm now?
Starting point is 00:12:42 I don't understand how Twitch works, and here's a secret. I don't think Rob knows either. Rob is like trolling us. It feels like a multi-level marketing thing. Rob really wants us to join Twitch, but he's not really clear about what the benefits are to us. You want to work with your friends and coworkers? Why do I have all this Twitch in my storage space, Rob's? Answer me that.
Starting point is 00:13:09 This is a little note from Dana. Thank you for all the pod. Can't wait for the next voyage. So this is probably set right before Voyager. Dana has two Instagram accounts it looks like. At double by design, and at 10 forward to you, and the two is the number two. And the artwork that Dana has sent is really gorgeous.
Starting point is 00:13:33 Couple of jazz horses. I'm trying to figure out how to line it up for the camera here. I just went to double by design's Instagram feed, and I'm seeing a lot of artwork here that looks pretty awesome and I love the jazz horse stuff. Yeah, very like, that's really cool. That's really cool. Yeah, Cubist.
Starting point is 00:13:53 Very like, multi watch on a bridge. I was gonna say Guernica, but a multi watch on a bridge is a perfectly valid assessment of what was happening. Everyone knows the masterpiece, multi watch on a Bridge is a perfectly valid assessment of what was happening. Everyone knows the masterpiece Melty Watch on a Bridge. There's another package sent to us by somebody that did not include any return address. I totally understand that decision. I wouldn't want us to know where you live either. that decision, I wouldn't want us to know where you live either. I'm opening, it's like I've got a letter, Adam and Ben. I hope you enjoyed the holidays and had a happy new year.
Starting point is 00:14:36 I am a big fan of the pods and have had the pleasure of seeing you on tour and closed as a quote limited edition red barkly from Voyager. Whoa, spoiler alert, Adam. I hope he fits into one of your collections, hoping to see you on tour in the future. Your friend and FOD, Matthew B. Barkley belongs on a ship full of lonely people. I'm excited for that day. Look at him.
Starting point is 00:15:05 I always wonder how they choose the single color plastic that they decide to make all the accessories out of. And also, why did they decide to have there be like an inch and a half of fake phaser beam coming off of the phaser? Oh yeah. You want to be hangin' beam? That drove me absolutely mental as a kid. I was like, this looks bad. It doesn't look like a phaser. Oh, yeah, you want to be hangin' beam. That drove me absolutely mental as a kid. I was like, this looks bad. It doesn't look like a phaser beam. They don't spread out. They're a different color than
Starting point is 00:15:32 the dust buster itself. As soon as I open that thing up, I'm clipping the beam off with some nail clippers. Yeah, and getting one of those first thing I do. Silver paint pens from your mom's silver paint pens from your mom's crafting drawer and fixing the dust buster. Right, this is our last thing, big box. Whoa, look at the size of that thing. Mm-hmm. That's the first time anybody's ever said that to me. Okay.
Starting point is 00:15:56 Got a letter here. Hi there, Ben and Adam. In a round of COVID quarantine induced desperation for novelty, I recently bid on, and won, several virtual auctions for some old props and production paraphernalia from some of my favorite TV shows including Star Trek The Next Generation. One item I did not remember bidding on, but definitely won. I felt really belonged with you two more than me. Please enjoy the enclosed Nebula class sensor pod variant
Starting point is 00:16:27 used in the production of TNG, or as you may better know it, the junk from the trunk of a Del Sol class starship. Big fan of your shows. So, keep up. Keep up with the great pod, mat from Redmond. PS, Adam, which Seattle-based pancake mix were you pining for? Was it the Snow Qual Me Falls Lodge? Because that stuff's great. I
Starting point is 00:16:49 tried to perfect my own pancake mix for years and I never came close. Yeah, Benjamin R. Harrison is a giant hater of the idea of buying pancake mix because Ben makes everything from scratch in his household. I saw a pancake mix that I thought might be the one you were talking about and I was gonna buy it and I texted you to ask you. Yeah, you texted me, you were like, hey, is this the lazy man's pancake mix that you mentioned earlier? Oh. That was it.
Starting point is 00:17:19 Wow. Snow call me Files pancake mix is the pancake mix by the way. Seems like this is the final episode of the greatest generation, Ben and Anna are officially fighting again. Fighting about Pancake Mix. The greatest gen story. I never thought that this would be the thing
Starting point is 00:17:35 that would take us down. Okay, so what we've got here is a big bubble wrapped device. Yeah. This must be... This must be the authentication paper as well. Look at that. You leave that thing out on a banquet table as I'm leaving a barbecue at your place Ben. You better believe I'm gonna take it with me. I know. I'm wondering if this is something that'll be rugged enough to come with us on tour, like beyond the table in front of us.
Starting point is 00:18:07 We've had a pretty good hit rate on the hordegons. Yeah. They're not breaking those. We did break one, I think. But, I was able to be glued back together. But this is like a, this is a one of a kind thing. Like, we have ten hordegons, you know. I'm like, really nervous about opening this because it's's because you're notoriously accident-frozen yeah all right here
Starting point is 00:18:31 we go this is why you do it on video yeah this is cool wow that is big it is really big and it's a little bit damaged it's got a little ship out of the corner there. That's probably like from when they took it off of the Dell Soul when they were... Yeah. Use a little crowbar. It looks gray. It's all one color, which I find a little bit surprising. And it's like a darker gray than I think of them as being on the show, but I also know
Starting point is 00:19:04 that they shoot those models with like extremely bright lights. So they might... That would be the reason. They might paint it darker to get the effect that they want, but man, this looks so neat. Well, I look forward to seeing that hanging off the back of your car like a spoiler.
Starting point is 00:19:19 It would make like a good hood ornament, right? Like right on the front there? Yeah. It's very sporty. That'd be great. God, this is so cool. And I have a feeling that that was not inexpensive to bid on and win.
Starting point is 00:19:34 I know. Also, so I really, I want to thank this person for their generosity. Matt and Redmond, thank you so much, Matt. Matt and Redmond. And thanks to everyone that sent stuff in. I mean, this stuff is all so great. And I really appreciate it.
Starting point is 00:19:51 Thanks for sending Ben all this stuff, everyone. Adam, it was years and years that you were the male opener for the show. And now that we have a pandemic, it's I that is the male opener. So, it's only fair. the male opener. So, uh, it's only fair. Count your blessings, buddy. What comes around goes around. That's the greatest gen promise.
Starting point is 00:20:12 That's like rule 18 of greatest. Yeah. That's the Uxbridge Shimoto promise. That's what it is. Well, Adam, this, uh, this has been a really fun marrying and I assume fun Twitch live stream, I don't really know if it's working or not. I wouldn't go that far. The first assumption is fair. Yeah, but thanks to anybody that tuned in on the live stream and if you're listening to this on tape
Starting point is 00:20:39 and wish you'd gotten to see this stuff, all you gotta do is head over to Twitch.com slash greatest trick. Right. Adam, we got an episode though that we gotta talk about today and we're gonna set that up before we shut this stream down. What do you say we get into season one, episode seven of Star Trek Voyager, X-Post Vacto. See you there.
Starting point is 00:21:02 Reaper, of course. Unless you've got something a little bigger in your torpedo toots, I'm not turning around. This is an episode that we have landed on a special square for. I love a raid! And I want to make sure that you did your homework this time. I again reminded you to do your homework and forgot to do my own. I knew that we had the stream coming up.
Starting point is 00:21:24 Fucking serious. I was so worried about making it go correctly. That is the game, the new veto. Like, is this the scandal? We're gonna land on squares and you're just not gonna do the thing less than fall. It seems like Ben wants to do his drink. It seems like all Ben wants to do is drink.
Starting point is 00:21:41 It's gonna be that I forget to like buy beer for a moorn hammer too. Like, I'm gonna forget. Well, if you did that. It's gonna be that I forget to like buy beer for a mourn hammer too. Like I'm gonna forget. Well if you did that, you're gonna be drinking liquor. Tell you that. You're not whistling your way out of a mourn hammer dip. But not drinking alone. And I'm the kind of student that is okay failing to study for the test and then doing a passable
Starting point is 00:22:03 job on it anyways. So I'm gonna try to draw on my encyclopedic knowledge of Star Trek to give you some deep facts about this episode. This is an nth degree episode which requires extensive research from both hosts. I of course have done the research, Ben will be bullshitting all of us as the episode goes on. Do you know what ex post facto means? I do. Ex post facto is a principle in the law where if you pass a law, you can't then convict somebody for breaking it when they broke it before the law was in place. Right.
Starting point is 00:22:45 It's like if they make podcasting a crime next year. Hey, we wouldn't be guilty. If podcasting is outlawed, then only outlaws will have podcasts, man. Yeah. I'd like to see them lock me up for this shit. I'll take my podcast out of my cold dead iPhone. Yeah. This is one of the 14 Star Trek episodes with a Latin title. 14.
Starting point is 00:23:12 That seems low. Fucking nerds. Yeah, I would have, honestly, I would have set the over under at like 26. I would have set it at 47, which is a significant number in Star Trek. This is going to be that episode. I didn't do my homework. I got to make up what it's about. We start with black and white footage. It starts on a pair of like ballet flats and pans up
Starting point is 00:23:40 to a scruffy little pup. And this is like a POV shot of somebody's experience of walking in on finding Tom Parris smooching with a lovely young woman. Yeah, they're getting hot and heavy. Is this the first time we've actually seen him smooching with somebody? Yeah, you know, for all the talk about Tom Parris,
Starting point is 00:24:03 great stick man. Yeah. I think this might be the only time we've seen him in a lurid embrace. Then did you know this is the first time that black and white film stock was ever used in a Star Trek episode? Wow, they shot this on black and white stock.
Starting point is 00:24:18 That's it. An interesting choice. Right. I have a friend who shot his student film on Black and White to go over to him. Well, your friend wanted to be seen as an artist. Well, he was making a Mark's Brothers style film. He was making fuck soup. Yes, that's what it was called.
Starting point is 00:24:38 It was a porn parody. Oh. This Mark's Brothers show. Could you fucking imagine? That has to be a thing, right? Like there's a law that everything has been turned into porn, including Mark's Brothers movies, right? Yeah. Like instead of a Mark's Brothers cutting off your tie
Starting point is 00:24:58 with giant paracysers, you just get cut. I think Harpo's replacing his giant paracysers with a giant dildo and he's walking around getting into all kinds of hijinks. Oh boy. Yeah. Look, I'm never gonna yuck anyone's yum. But if what you're into is Mark's brothers porn, stay away from me. I will come you with open up. Is that so? How did you stay open? Well, this is kind of more of a snuff video, Adam, because this POV ends up with Tom Parris plunging a knife into the belly of the person who walks in on him and this lady. And we're kind of getting this footage intercut with ECUs of Tom Parris, and there's some
Starting point is 00:25:41 kind of, you know, hushed voices talking about like whether this is working and whether he's seeing it correctly and all that and We come to understand that this is the punishment for murder. This is such a fun science fiction idea and we've seen versions of this before right most notably with miles it were Dobrion with Miles Edward O'Brien. This is fucking spectacular. And his many punishments. But the idea that this is something that just comes up in your day every 14 hours, you got to relive the last moments of your victim's life. Every 14 hours, the idea is really interesting,
Starting point is 00:26:20 but they don't get in the minutia of the mechanics too far. Like, I want to know, is it exactly at the same time? Do you have to be awake for it? If you're asleep, does it wake you up? Yeah, I got a bunch of questions. I wanna know all that. Yeah, and like, he seems to like experience some of the pain of being killed.
Starting point is 00:26:41 Yeah, the phantom pain. I mean, like, if he was walking around, would he fall over from the pain? I don't know. He always seems to be lying down when this thing takes him over. We've seen Starfleet's go back to work with more damage than this, you know?
Starting point is 00:26:55 Like I'd love to see him work a couple of shifts at the con, you know, just momentarily taken with his punishment. I love the idea of like, what if they could never get this out of his brain and so they just have to like plan his shifts around it like listen we're going to be doing some pretty delicate flying through a meteor field for the next time. Just have out Tom Ferris. Yeah let's make sure that a guy that isn't going to be in a fugue state for three minutes
Starting point is 00:27:22 every 14 hours isn't it the con for that? Instant Kim, it's awesome. The Delaney Sisters have agreed to go out on a double date with us. Unfortunately, it's during the time for me. You're going to have to cover. You're going to have to cover for me. The enchiladas are really not agreeing with Tom Paris. You'll have to forgive him. I would totally turn it into a food poisoning situation in public.
Starting point is 00:27:56 If I were being seized by this, food poisoning every time. Yeah. This is a teleplay by Evan Carlos Summers and Michael Piller, but a lot of people don't know that they actually got the story from Charlie Brooker from Black Mirror. One of his early television writing gigs was coming up with the premise of this episode. Now I'm remembering this bit. It's been a while. We come back from our title sequence and we're in 6 Bay with Cass and the EMH and they're
Starting point is 00:28:37 having kind of a conversation about the metaphysics of the EMH as it pertains to his selection of a name. Pick a name you like, perhaps from someone who inspires you. I just want a name. I wanted to look in cut glass, you know, a razor shot. You know, like, can he like engage in creativity? Can he want things? Can he blast? Guess wants to know the answers to all of these questions.
Starting point is 00:29:03 It's funny, like the doctor is so put upon by just about everyone. Kess is the only person he's let into his life. And if I were the doctor, I'd be so tired of this, being just put on the spot with all these questions about my life and my place in the universe. It's a scene where she's trying to encourage him to say, don't self-limit. I know that you believe that you're programming as the sum total of who you are,
Starting point is 00:29:34 but maybe you can come up with a name for yourself and he cites some doctors that inspire him and stuff. How much did you want him to pick Spock as his doctor name? I wanted that so bad. That would have been great. He would have broken Star Trek internet if he did. I love the idea of the showrunners just trolling the fan community in that way.
Starting point is 00:29:59 I would have loved it so much. He also tosses out Dr. Galen, which is like Picard's archaeology professor, right? Right. Which would have been a weird choice as a physician. Like I'm really inspired by the archaeology of Dr. Galen. Who was the doctor that Beverly Crusher had on board when her entire universe shrank to the size of a...was it Dr. Quint?
Starting point is 00:30:22 Dr. Dalen Quast. You mean that doctor that doesn't fucking exist at him? Yeah. I did read something kind of interesting about Kess. We talked in a recent episode about how they kind of changed up the look of her hair and made it a little bit more vulcan reading. And they shot some of these episodes out of order. This is an episode directed by Lovar Burton and this was a period in Lovar Burton's career where
Starting point is 00:30:48 he had kind of refused to give up the character of Jordy. So he directed all this stuff with the visor on and when he came in and saw the loaf that they were putting Kessin he just assumed she was Vulkan and he said the hair is wrong you got to fix it. Right, right because he was directing with his hands. Yeah. I mean, it doesn't totally obscure, you know, his sight, but it makes it pretty hard for him to see what's going on. Right.
Starting point is 00:31:17 Bullshit, man. Around the time that Cass changed her hair, was the moment that Rick Berman became less attracted with her and was already scheming to cast Jerry Ryan on the show. He's very interesting facts. You know, a lot of people don't know these things. This meeting is interrupted because we got a damaged shuttle incoming,
Starting point is 00:31:38 and a board is either Kim or Paris. There's one life sign on there. There's like a quantum superposition of a shuttle with both Kim and Paris in it. Two Vax sets the sensors for bragging about a sexual conquest, and they don't find anything. So that's how they know it's Kim on board, in not Tom Paris. Harry Kim wakes up on a biopad and starts explaining this situation to the captain. He was made to leave this planet that he was on without Tom Paris. And he's dehydrated, he's really fucked up.
Starting point is 00:32:17 And all he knows is that Tom Paris was accused of murder. I can understand the episode's reasons for telling the story with the way it does. This is a flashback episode. This is a agatha-christi mystery of an episode. But you can't tell me that the emotional feeling of going on an away mission, the way Kim and Paris did, and leaving it by yourself with a fallen person behind, doesn't hit fucking hard. Yeah, man. I would have loved to have been there when Kim is put back on the shuttle
Starting point is 00:32:56 and he's got to leave a guy behind. That's like knowing that there's a marine still in the field, should probably. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I do kind of like the immediate raceness of this episode, like so much has already happened. And it's, to some extent, like a Rashomon thing
Starting point is 00:33:15 where people are describing past events periodically throughout the episode and conflicting versions of past events, but. You're such a fan of immediate race as a technique that you've been known as an immediate racist. Yeah, that's an ex-post fact for you. Yeah, I mean, what I'm saying is for all the flashbacks we get, that could have been one.
Starting point is 00:33:42 Yeah, absolutely. We finally meet these Benian's via flashback then. Right, they had some kind of broken part on their starship and they thought these people could help. So they went down to this planet and found a real Roddenberry trope on the surface of this planet. And old grumpy man scientist with a very pretty young wife. It's kind of no-mage to TNG. Very under-sexed wife who hates her older man husband. That's another
Starting point is 00:34:13 quality to this relationship, right? Kind of a new spin on an old favorite. Quality resentment stuff happening here. We gotta talk about these Beneans, man. And the choice of loaf. This is a Chiquita Benean headdress situation, I think. There's a lot going on here, and I'm not sure if much of it is working. Adam is coming for that title.
Starting point is 00:34:43 Is this a part of their loaf or is it a headdress situation because it seems like on certain banyans it may look like it's part of them but on others it definitely looks like it's something that they're wearing. Yeah I think that I think that they are a partially feathered people. I think that like their eyebrows and stuff made out of those feathers and then the feathers surrounding their head, implied to me that this is part of the, I don't know, it's weird that they have, like, hair and feathers. I feel like they should have gone one or the other. One thing about feathers and birds is that many people in the scientific community believe
Starting point is 00:35:21 that modern birds came from ancient dinosaurs evolutionarily, right? Interesting Is that some of your research? Yeah, I don't feel bad about forgetting my homework It's official So this this quest to get a replacement part turns into a dinner invitation at this guy's house. And this fucking guy, I hated him immediately because he's like, you know what? Uh, this is too much work to do in a single work day, but you know what my wife loves? Surprise dinner guests.
Starting point is 00:35:58 Yeah. And this is what made me side with his wife from the beginning. This guy fucking sucks. There's no one who enjoys a surprise double dinner guest situation. As the people in our household who do most of the cooking, this definitely hit me in a real way. Like, she is so fucking lucky she was doing stew. Right.
Starting point is 00:36:18 Because she can dump some extra shit into it and you know, step on it. Like, she can put some baby laxative in the stew and there'll be enough to go around. If we hadn't gone within that night, none of this would have happened. When they meet the wife, she clearly needs a drink and who wouldn't in that circumstance.
Starting point is 00:36:37 But the question, Ben, is huge. What do you do with an alien liquor cabinet when you're offered a drink and a new place as a visitor? I thought she opens it and it's like how about this? Yeah, and I was like I would I would want to help myself, but I'm also Going to try everything because I don't know what I like and don't like you'd be the worst in the situation be fucking smashed before baby laxid of dinner even hit the table And then you'd be smashed and on baby laxative.
Starting point is 00:37:06 Yeah, a diuretic and elaxative at the same time is not the kind of crossfaded I wanna be on a brand new planet in a first contact situation. It's a hell of a combination. Hey, you know what? There is something at the shuttle that I need to go back for. I will be 30 to 40 minutes.
Starting point is 00:37:27 I know it's parked right outside, but I really need to search for this part. I'm looking at memory alpha here. Interesting fact about the feather headdresses that they have the actors in here. Michael Westmore, the makeup designer that came up with this look, was caught importing rare birds to pluck,
Starting point is 00:37:47 to make these characters, and he was arrested, and he's still in jail. Oh, yeah. Ironically, he's in Pelican Bay, Ed. That's the perfect joke. This dumb. I don't know if you've ever had a friend in prison, Ben, but the thing you want to do is you want to add credits to their account.
Starting point is 00:38:16 You want to put your real money in there so that they could exchange that money for cans of tuna fish or ramen noodles or what have you. So I would recommend to our friends of De Soto out there, find Michael Westmore at Pelican Bay Prison. And make sure that he's rich in tuna fish cans. Poor guy. You know what? His crime, I would argue, is this creature design. It wasn't the rare bird thing.
Starting point is 00:38:44 And this is what he should be in prison for. We get a couple of interesting moments. L'Hadel, the wife character, walks away while they're checking out the bar. I guess Kim's checking out the bar. Paris is checking out her butt, but she comes back and throws some meat on the floor and there, yappy little dog, scarfs it up and she says, if it spoiled, Nika would need it. There's a brief dinner scene where Tolan, her husband explains that he's a real workaholic
Starting point is 00:39:14 and they talk a little bit about this war that their society is at with a species called the new Mary. And then she just gets up and excuses herself from the table and her excuses, the meat doesn't taste right. And this is another thing that in a first contact situation would really freak me out. Like, my host just fed me something and then left the table because she thinks it's spoiled. I think once again, I would excuse myself to go to the shuttle parked outside to use the shuttle bathroom. Even though, Ben, you and I
Starting point is 00:39:45 know that the shuttle is for number one's and not number two's. I think in this instance, you can make an exception. I would hope so. And I might even like hit my own button and try and get it out of my stomach before it did more damage. Well, we do have a lot of work to get done. So we're back on the Voyager in 6 Bay and Harry Kim is talking to Tuvac and the captain about whether he thinks Paris could have done this murder that he's been accused of and he's still really fucked up from being interrogated.
Starting point is 00:40:22 He's dehydrated. I think he says he's interrogated for two days straight. And there's some concern with this war with the numeri that maybe Tolan was killed because he is the designer of the war ships that the Benines use against the numeri. Right. That should raise your suspicions at this point. Though I will admit, when I watched this episode,
Starting point is 00:40:46 I was not suspicious at this point. I was curious. Yeah, the way the murder related to the war remained a surprise. That was a surprise, and it came out at the right moment in this episode. I thought that the who-done-it-ness of this episode was really well executed. I like Janeway's strategy of leaving the Voyager out of it
Starting point is 00:41:09 before she dispatched the shuttle because the idea of her ship being an orbit around this planet would project the idea of a side in this conflict that she didn't want to be a part of. Yeah. It's so interesting that Voyager is kind of Switzerland in the Delta Quadrant. Like, they don't want to get involved in anybody's shit. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:29 I mean, they'll take your melted, new Mary wargold, right? They'll put the ship inside any hole that they find, but what they won't do is orbit your planet. No. But she decides that that passivity is a luxury they can no longer afford. She's not going to leave Tom Parris high and dry on this planet. So she decides that they're going to go in and she calls Nielix to her ready room to kind of brief her on this situation. This is a weird scene because Nielix died a couple episodes ago after his lungs were replaced with hollow lungs. And it's weird. Like, who is Janeway
Starting point is 00:42:08 talking to? Janeway's talking to the memory of Nelix. Yeah, sad. She just remembers him so vividly. Yeah. So vividly that he's like laughing about the international incident that they're probably about to start. Fucking Neelik's man. So a New Mary vessel approaches and it's Captain looks like a catcher's mitt. I thought he kind of looked like a crustacean. I am Captain Catherine Janeway of the Federation Starship Voyager. It's me, Zoyberg, I, naturally. And I thought it was very interesting because one thing Neelik says is that the New Mary and the Benines
Starting point is 00:42:46 Evolved on the same planet. They used to inhabit the same world together and now they don't and are at war with each other But what kind of planet gives rise to a bird people and a crustacean people? The new Mary to me Look like post gastric bypass surgery the thing from fantastic for uh, look like post-gastric bypass surgery the thing from Fantastic Four. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. They'll like the proportions just seem a little bit off. You're not used to seeing that size head on that size body. It's no longer carbon time. They say.
Starting point is 00:43:17 It's sensible portions time. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Perfect black, make it yourself. And I know you see this as an opportunity to grow. Make it yourself. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha happen in a like I knew this would happen kind of way. Fuck off man. Yeah, you're not helping Nelix. No. Yeah, like until there is an episode where he really proves his utility, which seems like they would have done by now, you know?
Starting point is 00:43:57 Like it seems like they would have like, well this guy is like a a scam and a bit of a dope, but he actually does like come up with the goods like three times out of five or whatever. Hey, Nelix, try not to get your lungs removed talking to the Numeri. I wonder if they're just worried about him being like a Deus ex Nelix. Like if he can always solve their problem or give them some context, it will make the drama less interesting. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:24 Anyway, this interaction is pretty low-key. Yeah. They're like, this is a war zone, so enter at your own risk, but also be excellent to each other or whatever. Don't start a clobber. Won't be a clobber. And off they go. They head to Benia.
Starting point is 00:44:43 I guess we're assuming the planet is called. Yeah. And there Janeway is part of a two-person despester club along with Tuvac that meets with the minister of weird punishments. It's unfortunate we must meet under these circumstances. He seems to really relish the explanation of the tech to them as he describes the crime itself. Like, he's like, you guys are gonna love this. What's it gonna take for me to put you into the memories of someone who is murdered today?
Starting point is 00:45:12 I mean, if you were visited by some star fleets and were like, I have a technology that is more advanced than what they have, you gotta show them. You'll be excited about being like, hey, look, get a load of this. Especially if I looked like him, I would want to overcompensate for the feathers. I know that I am a bird person that may give you the reasonable assumption that I am an unsophisticated
Starting point is 00:45:39 roob, but in fact, I am able to edit memories into people's heads. I like to wear a knit cap usually when I meet alien species, so they take me seriously as a scientist. What have he done that to some point he'd taken his hat off and they were like, Whoa! What's with the feathers? Too bad is allergic to down those those Vulcan sneezes are powerful man yeah so later on they bring in Paris they wobble him into the room and then he starts telling his version of
Starting point is 00:46:19 the story at Janeway's like did you fuck that guy's wife and he's like they were on a break we get another one of these flashbacks. And now this is the Tom Paris like, got bored when Harry and the crusty old man scientists were working together after work. And he like finds Ladelle smoking on her patio. And this is some really taut-dry banter, like some straight out of a bodice ripper,
Starting point is 00:46:49 kind of like, you know those things will kill you. Yeah, it's weird as hell that it's like a chest or field cigarette. An alien cigarette should be like smoked through the nostril or something. Like it should be alien, and there's not enough alien about this. Yeah, we don't get a terribly good look at the cigarette,
Starting point is 00:47:05 but I read that this is another prop that was kind of something that Lovar Burton signed off on, not having really gotten a great look at it, because of course he was wearing the visor the entire time. Right, the quality of a film noir, Thym Fatal is this woman in every way. Like she checks all the boxes
Starting point is 00:47:24 and one of the main qualities of that type of femme fatale is like the, I'm content in my relationship but I'm also frustrated. If only there were someone around to extricate me from a situation that I, if I put any effort in at all, could extricate myself from on my own. Right.
Starting point is 00:47:47 Like, this is the honey trap, right? Yeah. And Paris is not a sophisticated reader of the Noir genre, so he falls for it pretty hard. So he goes into one of his fugues states, like while relating this story back to the captain and two vach and we get to see how bad this is and it's really traumatic. It's a thing that causes him to pass out.
Starting point is 00:48:14 They have to call medics and they're like, what the hell is this? I thought you said that he was just going to relive it and they're like, well, he does have a totally different kind of brain from us. I guess it's just not working properly. We noticed that he didn't have any feathers on his head or face, but we still did the implantation anyway, just to see what would happen. They want to take him back to the ship and minister Kray
Starting point is 00:48:38 is like, no fucking way. We're gonna keep him down here and make sure he stays punished. We don't want you like taking the software out Right and the local doctor characters like well, you know I actually didn't really know what I was doing when I was munking around in there So it might actually be good if somebody that has a basic understanding of his anatomy Where to take a look at him. I don't have the sort of doctor's vanity that would be against a second opinion. So yeah. Can they beam the doctor from Voyager to other places? Like I bet they can't do that huh? They'd have to set up a bunch of those
Starting point is 00:49:16 transporter pylons or whatever. They can't even take him out of six bay on the ship so. That sucks. Yeah. He's just trapped there with Kess. Yeah, it's like he's on quarantine the entire time. He's less concerned about naming himself and more about holographic euthanasia. Yeah, there is a conversation about like what's going on with his brain. And this does seem to be a process
Starting point is 00:49:40 that is going to scramble his egg more and more. Yeah. And Tuvak is like, doctor, I need to see the detailed report of your brain skin. And the EMH is like, you're not going to understand his chart, cop. And Tuvac turns to camera and I was like, I don't think you understand.
Starting point is 00:50:01 This is my episode for character development. you understand. This is my episode for character development. So he wants to like interview Paris with the lie detector that they have on board the Voyager, but Paris is out cold at the moment. So he's going to head back to the service and conduct a little bit of his own investigation. See if they can't clear Tom Paris's name. When he meets up with Mrs. Ren at her home, he seems surprised that she still lives there because that's the place of their murder. And she's like, yeah, I called Coit.
Starting point is 00:50:35 They came and really did a number on that part of the carpet. And that actually be wet. Could you just walk around the side? I think this is a really great example of creative screenwriting because in the Black Mirror guys original treatment for this, she's moved to a different place and she's got a big settlement so she's living in the lap of luxury and they just didn't really have the budget for it. So Evan Carlos Summers and Michael Pillar found a way to kind of make it a part of the
Starting point is 00:51:02 story. That's great. It's really nice. They throw this line away, but I picked it up. Tuvak is married and he's been married a long time. For 67 years. Yeah. Tuvak has a she who is his wife.
Starting point is 00:51:16 Yeah. It would have been great to get that description. Oh no. She who is my wife is over 70,000 light years from here. Mrs. Ren tells her story in flashback form and we see the moments leading up to the murder according to her. Nothing like a sexy rainstorm to kick an affair off, right? The rainstorm really floods her basement.
Starting point is 00:51:37 And Paris does yeoman's work in resisting her advances, but just can't. They end up having some smooches outside, and then they pivot to T. Yeah, he's like, I really want to, but I'm worried that it will affect my friendship with Harry. Like, I don't want a woman to come between us, you know? Like, we've been buddies for a really long time. Like, seven, eight episodes now. There's nothing sexy about T.
Starting point is 00:52:03 So, Paris thinks this is a pretty safe thing to take her up on, right? Yeah. She invites him in for T and T means sex, right? T is not T, T is sex. Yeah, but he didn't realize that. So he's like driving home and he slaps himself in the forehead. People, this stupid shouldn't be allowed to live.
Starting point is 00:52:25 What an idiot. Chico Te Radio's two-vac during this scene because Paris has woken up, so he's got to get out of there. But on his way out, Mrs. Rennes, I say, hey, make sure you tell Paris that I've forgiven him for murdering my husband in that spot you're standing in. And two-vac like lifts up his foot and there's like a gore on the bottom of his shoe. He's a squish.
Starting point is 00:52:50 See what happened is they didn't like press down with the rag hard enough to really get the blood out of the, see it's not, when you carpet a room, it's not just the carpet, it's the, it's the pad underneath. The pad and then there's the membrane. Today on this old house, we're ripping up an old carpet and we found something very interesting
Starting point is 00:53:10 under this particular carpet because this is the evidence of a vicious crime. These are very prodigious bloodstates. Obviously the assailant knew exactly where to stab this particular Benin. You can see the blood droplet splatter all over the ceiling and the wall. In addition to the pooling, down below. This is a special episode of the staircase where we find out that the owl that is found
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Starting point is 00:55:56 Are you selling a heist? Gold. So Paris gets interviewed in Six Bay under the kind of medical grade lie detector, right? Like he's he's telling about his experience. And he's like, yeah, we went back and had the tea. But that's the last thing I remember, like the part where I then turned around and stabbed somebody is not something that I can recall doing.
Starting point is 00:56:22 And the EMA just like, well, he ain't lion, so something is up. And Chuvak has really started to figure this out, because he does not seem worried at all when the ship starts getting bangers dropped on it. And Nielix knew this would happen. Although I take no pleasure in being right mind you. Thanks a lot, Nielix.
Starting point is 00:56:43 Chico Te gets the ever so briefest of scene to offer an ancient make-we-secret to getting the jump on their pursuers. And this was an interesting bit of trivia that I read about. Roxana Dawson has talked about this being the only line that she had in this episode. Oh, interesting. And she didn't bother to practice it before arriving on set that day. And because this was very early on in the production of Voyager, they had some press around, like some people were shooting coverage of the show behind the scenes to the La Bar Burton
Starting point is 00:57:17 episode. So like everyone loves the La Bar Burton. Let's involve him. And Roxanne Dawson could not get her line right. She was just eating shit over and over and over on her one line here. She was trying the Kelsey grammar school of acting, but wasn't bringing the funk the way Kelsey grammar always did. Yeah, and I guess this is the trivia about her. It's like it's the one line of dialogue she's never forgotten from Star Trek Voyager was this line
Starting point is 00:57:47 Wow kind of wild huh. I love that I guess chico. Te is kind of like taken over as the pilot in Tom's stead It was weird just held to see him up there Yeah, and like he he is up there and like Mielix is where chico. Te might normally sit Yeah, you gotta get that guy off the bridge though. What the fuck? Yeah, kick that motherfucker out of the house. He is not helping. Are we sure he doesn't stink?
Starting point is 00:58:13 Like that was one of the main things about Mielix. I'm sure that he does stink, but anyways, this make-wee's trick works. I mean, they've talked about how the Numiri are, like basically une equal match, but these two ships don't succeed against the fancy tricks that the Voyager pulls, and they're taking off the board and Voyager returns to orbit to finish its business. That reframes the Tom Paris situation as the main story for the rest of the episode. And it is here that
Starting point is 00:58:46 Tuvac has proposed a mind-meld. Yeah. And this is an idea that is met with some confusion from Nelix. A mind-what? And some real concern from the doctor. If these cycles caused damage to a human brain, there's no telling but the risk might be to a Balkan. When Tuvac steps to the rear of Paris's biobad and applies the hands upside down to his face, I so wanted something fucked up to happen there. Like a European mind-meled means that like maybe there's a reverse transference of the mind. Do you think they call this a 69-meld? Yes, I think they do. I believe the risk is acceptable.
Starting point is 00:59:29 So, Tuvac experiences the thing that Tom has been seeing. In the meld, it's just all rope shots with the Del at hand. My mind to your mind, your thoughts to my thoughts, your ropes to my ropes. So we get the whole thing again. We get to watch the entire murder sequence one more time. And it's tough for Tom Paris and it seems like it's really going badly for Tuvac It's tough for Tom Paris and it seems like it's really going badly for TuVoc. When they cut back to the ECU of his eye, right? Like I was like really worried in this moment that TuVoc was going to find himself in
Starting point is 01:00:14 Dyer Streets here. Yeah, like he may upon withdrawing his hands become like some sort of half TuVoc, half Paris monster. And then what do you do with that? Kind of creature. You gotta kill it. You probably have to put it out of its misery, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:33 I mean, it gets what it deserves, right? Yeah. There's no place for that aboard the ship. So the first thing Tuvac says when he wakes up is that he wants to look at the research that Enzen Kim brought home. And he thinks's cracked that he tells the captain like I think I know Why Tom Paris was falsely accused of this crime? I must consult with Enzen Kim immediately I really liked the face time with
Starting point is 01:00:59 the captain and like the Like minister Kray and the doctor guy back down on the planet going like, hey, so our guy is really deteriorating here and they're like, hey, we'll take the implants out. We wanted to punish him, but we didn't want to like kill him or torture him. And this is clearly not working correctly, so we'll find something else.
Starting point is 01:01:22 And Janeway's like, no, no, no, no, you're not gonna find something else because it won't be necessary. He didn't commit the crime, and we're gonna something else. And Janeway's like, no, no, no, no. You're not gonna find something else because it won't be necessary. He didn't commit the crime and we're gonna come down there and prove that. Most people on our planet regret going too small with the implants. They normally don't want them removed completely.
Starting point is 01:01:38 Yeah. Their culture is really cruel in some ways, like it really enforces an expectation that people have like a lot of feathers on their heads. Yeah, you really want to stuff those feathers. When this FaceTime is over, two fuck enters the frame with a knowing glance. Yeah. This is like, because there's more Numiri coming to fuck them up, right? So what they do is they send Kim and Paris back out on another bunk bed and they basically become up, right? So what they do is they send Kim and Paris back out on another bunk bed,
Starting point is 01:02:06 and they basically become beat, right? Like the numeric tractor them and pull them in, and it's clear that they're like there to grab Paris. And Harry and Tom get beamed out just at the nick of time, and then the captain gets on FaceTime with the Numeri and explain what's happening. And there's a really bad-ass shot of Janeway standing up into the FaceTime to explain to the Numeri that they have tracked her in a shuttle that is full of explosives and she's going to blow it and their ship unless they high-tail it out of there. The shuttle as a car bomb is a technique
Starting point is 01:02:45 that is used so rarely on Star Trek, and it seems like if I were writing the show, would be every third episode. Hahaha. Hahaha. Hahaha. Yeah. I know this shot.
Starting point is 01:02:57 If I were captain of a Federation Starship, I would be losing shuttles all the time. Yeah. Tractored into your cargo base, see what happens. Yeah. Pretty valuable stuff on there. If you it into your cargo bay. See what happens. Yeah. Pretty valuable stuff on there. If you scan it, you'll note it's density. It's just gonna blow these crustaceans shells apart.
Starting point is 01:03:12 So we're saving these shells, too, by the way, to create a stock. So with that threat neutralized, they change priorities back to the Paris situation, which is two-vux job. And up to this point, completely secret from the viewer, really. Like, we've received implied information from him. Clearly he's read the captain into some of it, right? What we need is that centerpiece scene where we gather all of our main characters
Starting point is 01:03:39 and we go over the trial. Like, this is what Matlock was all about. How does it feel to make a pool of yourself with the Matt Locke? Well, you get all your players together and then you finger the true criminal in front of everyone. And Harry Kim gets so excited about that idea. So they go to the crime scene to do this. Two Vox like, call everyone together. I got something to tell them. Everyone that's got some skin in the game here.
Starting point is 01:04:06 Yeah. I'm talking the minister. I'm talking the doctor. I'm talking Ladell. I'm talking Tom. Not talking Harry. Oh no, Harry's there. Yeah. I'm gonna stand in the wet spot and then I'm gonna start presenting my case. Yeah, so he, Eric Cuell,
Starting point is 01:04:22 Poirot Rose, it and explains basically that the, the doctor, the Benin doctor is a traitor. We know this because in the memory endgrammed that Tom is experiencing, the, the man that Lidell is making out with is about her height and the doctor is short. We know that the dog would be friendly with the perpetrator because the dog hates strangers and the fact that the dog loves him when he's brought in is also, I guess, I mean,
Starting point is 01:04:57 it makes me think that the doctor is not that bad, but it's seen as evidence that is good enough to convict this guy or at least exonerate Paris right this doctor just and take the news well No, he was he was given secrets to the Named Mary. Yeah, it's kind of a fun Sci-fi conceit that the memory of this doctor was hijacked in order to send weapons data to the Named Mary Yeah, and and we know this because like there were symbols at the bottom of the replay of the murder. And up until this moment, they just looked like
Starting point is 01:05:30 something that should be there from the start, but that's not a thing. That's not a thing that's a part of this punishment. I like that part where TuVac was like, Lieutenant Paris, when you experienced the memory, did you notice all of the information in the lower third of the frame? The safe area for type, if you will. So Paris is exonerated. The doctor is convicted.
Starting point is 01:05:57 Yeah. Seems like a very like casual court hearing, but who knows how it goes on Benia Prime. No one talks about removing the implant from Tom Paris, though. So for all we know, every 14 hours, he's gonna be getting it. The button on the episode is a little hang between Paris and Tuvac in the converted captain's dining room where Paris is like, hey man, like solid move. I know that you'd based my defense on the eyewitness identification of a dog,
Starting point is 01:06:32 leaving out the fact that also Tuvac counted on the Benines believing him when he said that like his species has the ability to mind meld. Right. I felt the same way. Like you have to for some reason trust Tuvac as a stranger here. They're a dispassionate people, very trustworthy. So basically Paris leaves Tuvac with a, you've got a friend in me line and Tuvac like barfs into his dinner and that's, that's what we go to credits. Yeah, this is security business, not security friend according to Tvac.
Starting point is 01:07:10 All he needs is the truth and a book. Those are his only companions in the mess hall. It's all he needs. I'd say eating your quarters then, Tvac. Don't take them an entire four top in the corner of the dining room when you're not there to socialize with people. Did you like this episode Adam? You know, I'm really easy to get along with, close to the time.
Starting point is 01:07:30 But I don't like bullet, I don't like black, and I don't like you. I love this too. My problem with this episode was that it wasn't alien enough. From the very familiar noir aspect of it, like, like, I like that. I like the black and white. I like the story told in flashback. All that stuff is cool. You would have been cooler if these aliens were more alien.
Starting point is 01:07:54 Like, why do we have a dog that looks like a chihuahua? Why do we have aliens that just have feathers on their head? Why are they smoking real cigarettes? I'm fun to do bad things. These are all familiar concepts, Ben. Too familiar. Is what I'm saying? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:08:10 Yeah, so I mean, too familiar is my criticism of an alien story. It should feel more alien to me. What about you, Ben? I mean, I agree with some of that stuff. Like, imagine Kim and Paris going down there trying the tiniest sip of liquor and it just fucking wrecks them. Like they are rocking on the floor. It's Barton Milhouse after getting the 32-ounce
Starting point is 01:08:38 squishy. Yeah I mean there's room for that in this episode. I think that this show is capable of that kind of world building, and I don't know what stops them in an episode like this, but for that knock, I don't mind it as an episode. I thought it was like a really fun mystery, and I thought that the order of operations was really well done. It's got some of that roshamon stuff, but it doesn't feel like obnoxious, like retelling the same parts of the story over and over again.
Starting point is 01:09:09 Yeah. And it's like a really interesting twist on a Star Trek idea of implanting a punishment in somebody's brain, like turning your own mind against you as punishment. And the twist in turn's always surprised me. I didn't see them coming, but I felt like they were really well justified in retrospect. And that's hard to do. So I'd say on balance, I thought this was a solid one. Hmm. Well, there you go. Can I interest you in a
Starting point is 01:09:39 selection of Priority One Messages, Ben? Oh, I would love to read some P1s, buddy. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Need a supplement on it. A supplement? A supplement. Yes, extra. But the interest alone could be enough to buy this ship! Then our first priority one message is from your goddamn brewer.
Starting point is 01:10:04 Like, zerxes? Then our first priority one message is from your goddamn brewer. Like zirxes? Yeah. And it is to Amy, Henry and Roxy. The message goes like this. Greetings from your goddamn brewer of Charter Stone. The eternal city thanks you for your life essences so we can live forever, which is pretty rad, T.B.H.
Starting point is 01:10:23 Since you're now just floating in Corp real forums, we wanted to make sure the message got to you in a place we know you'd hear it. This ends the most gratuitous victory dunking on we could think of. I like that the God Emperor here capitalizes the word we every time. It's like the royal we that's That's some that's an intense shit. I wonder what Amy Henry and Roxy did to get dunked on like that. That's savage Charter stone looks like a board game to me, so Maybe they've been having some tabletop
Starting point is 01:10:59 hangs and Yeah, and lost royally from the sounds of it. Well, the Royal winner gets to capitalize their pronouns, I guess. That's true. That's really got to hurt Amy, Henry, and Roxy. Sorry to hear it, but congratulations God Emperor, I suppose. Our next priority on message is from William Taylor Leia Maka Cox. It's to Eric Roman Beining. Goes like this. Roman, I love you much.
Starting point is 01:11:27 I know Adam and Ben are the A story and B story of your love life, but since you're both married and outside our COVID war bubble, I help you'll marry me as a C story that is surprisingly compelling. Let's be each other's drunk Shimo Dai till we RSVP. Let's be each other's drunk Shimo-dai till we RSVP. Let's be voyagers together. Even if it takes 70 years just to save the Okampa.
Starting point is 01:11:52 Wow! Is this a real proposal of marriage? If this is a real marriage proposal, this might be one of the very few that we've ever had. So I'm reading here. This was meant to go against the pilot episode of Voyager, which makes me think it was in fact intended as a proposal. William Taylor, Lyamock Cox must be freaking out right now that we're at episode seven, and it hasn't happened yet. I'm freaking out because I'm looking at our calendar here,
Starting point is 01:12:22 and we're like booked up for a long time, so it may be a long time before we get an answer. Wow. Well, congratulations, you two. Hopefully our priority one calendar didn't blow this for you. Yeah, this is the second time I've read a marriage proposal on this show. You're always the first to do it. The first time being our live show in Atlanta and realizing what I'm reading as I'm reading it is like a really intense thing. That's a big thrill. But I really hope that this goes and I wish a really happy future for the couple.
Starting point is 01:12:58 William and Eric, congratulations, I hope. I hope. Wow. Well, if you would like a marriage proposal read by Mir Ben on the show a couple of weeks after you had intended it You can go to Maximumfund.org slash Jumbo Tron where a marriage proposals and commercial messages go a long way towards supporting the production of our show. Hey Adam.
Starting point is 01:13:25 What's that been? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? Proud of him! Drunk Shimoda! Obviously Tom Parris. He got to fool around with an alien lady and outside of a couple of headaches, no permanent repercussions. Yeah, he did have a lot of fun down there.
Starting point is 01:13:42 He really got into it. Having a lot of fun down there is pretty much Tom Parris' whole deal. He's into making first contact, he's into making second contact. I don't think as much contact as you would enjoy. He wants to make sure that you make first contact before he does. Yeah. Ideally, what have I you been? Well, I think you're correct, technically. I'm gonna have to give the drunk
Starting point is 01:14:09 smite on this episode to myself. I feel like a complete fucking idiot for forgetting to do my homework. It's your thing now. It's fine. I got a lot of my mind lately, okay? You're doing the best you can. I'm sorry to the listeners. The last time we did a pure research episode, people fucking hated that episode. So I think we gave the haters what they wanted. Maybe subconsciously I was like afraid of the haters.
Starting point is 01:14:35 The haters suck, fuck them. Objection noted, we'll do this without you. If you do it, if you do it, if you do it, if you do it. Well, if they hated this episode, I can't imagine how they'll feel about the next one, Ben. I wanted to tell us what episode we're going to be watching and recapping next while I take it over to the game of Buttholes. Will of the caretaker. The next episode is season 1, episode 8, Eminations. Kim confronts life and death issues when he's held against his will
Starting point is 01:15:07 By an alien race Ammonations, huh? Yeah, no getting here. You're required to learn as you play Role been work currently on square 78 the nth degree episode square Oof couple of heads ahead we get a we get a cotton the nebula episode which if you loved this one, this one's really gonna flood your basement if we land on that square. Got the die in my hand, I'm gonna give it a roll. Let's see what happens. I rolled it to...
Starting point is 01:15:39 Tula! Did I win? Harvey! We're on square 80. Ben, it's a regular old episode for us. Indo it. Me too. That's one I can prepare for with relative ease. Yeah, the same amount of unpreparedness will be that episode for you. You're already ready for it. Yeah, all I have to do is watch the episode.
Starting point is 01:16:00 Well, I'm ready to end the show with some end credits. I have a couple of things to plug before we do credits. The first is I did an episode of Movie Crush where we talked about the HUD soccer proxy, one of my favorite movies. Oh, yeah. And that's available anywhere you download podcasts with our buddy Chuck Bryant. And also, I contributed a little bit of video to our buddy Adam Rangusia. My Caesar salad recipe was a real big hit apparently on a recent episode of this program.
Starting point is 01:16:36 And Adam texted me and said, hey, why don't you film that? And I will put it in a video. And I think by the time this is out, that video should be up. I can't believe Adam listens to the show. Still. I know. He's such a class act. And speaking of credits, let's get into it. Adam Ragusia, the maker of the Janeway song, the theme song for this program now.
Starting point is 01:17:04 He also created the Cisco song back in the day and has created a ton of original music for this show. And if you'd like to check out his cooking channel, just search Adam Ragusia on YouTube and you will learn how to cook some delicious food. There's nothing that I make that is regusia worthy. I'll never be on that show. That is not true I'm seeing that true right now All you gotta do is shoot it. I don't have any of my camera gear. I sold it all. It's gone I'll lend you the C300 you can shoot it. I'm gonna. I don't ever use it unless I'm shooting some food for Regusia.
Starting point is 01:17:45 I'm gonna drop your C300 into a lasagna and then you can hate me forever after it. If that's the way my camera gear departs my life, I think that's funny enough to be pretty satisfying. You taste the lens and you're like, is that Raios Jard Pasta Sauce? This is how my camera died with a Jard Pasta Sauce. How dare you? What? You dropped it into pancake mix?
Starting point is 01:18:18 Come on. We also got to thank our social media director, Bill Tilly, and I encourage you to follow all of our social media accounts on Twitter, at GreatestTrack, and on Instagram at GreatestTrack. And now on twitch.tv, slash GreatestTrack. We really appreciate Bill's help and also we should shout out Rob Shelty who produced the Twitch part of this episode today. Hey, thanks everyone for showing up for the Twitch. If you're hurt about missing out on our Twitches, we're very intentionally not giving anyone a lot of lead time to them.
Starting point is 01:18:56 We're still feeling pretty burned about the first time we tried Twitch. Yeah, we did a bad job one time and it really embarrassed us. So I think that the ephemeral nature of the medium is something that is appealing to us at the moment. If it's a fail, it doesn't live forever on the internet. I would say that we are going to give greater lead time going forward as we get more comfortable with the medium. So like don't feel like we're we're always gonna fuck you on going live on Twitch. It's not how it's gonna be, all right? It's not always gonna be a surprise. It's not always gonna be a surprise and we will get better at doing it also. So don't sweat it
Starting point is 01:19:39 and it's not that good anyway so don't worry if you missed it. Yeah, we're already fucking up to our elbows in Rob Shulti's ass on this multi-level marketing scheme that he's got as involved in. If you'd like to support the show, go to maximumfund.org slash join. If you'd like to support the show in free ways, just recommend it to a friend. Yeah. Give us a nice review on Apple Podcasts. And if you ask a question in your review We might answer it on an upcoming episode. Yeah, we haven't done that in a while. We should you should do that We should that's maybe next episode or two. We'll do a Q&A. Oh
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