The Greatest Generation - I Am Not Your Mom (I Am “Malibu” Your Mom) (DS9 S4E19)

Episode Date: July 1, 2019

When Jake Sisko is abducted and taken into the Mirror Universe, it feels more like a family vacation than a trip to a dangerous place. But when the good times give way to forced labor, it’ll be more than the viewer who is owed an explanation for how things work there. Is the “Jake Knuck Era” over? Are the punches louder in the Mirror Universe? What’s the exchange rate on betrayal? It’s the episode that we did live for 450 people on YouTube!

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We're sort of looking at each other during, right? In a way, yeah. Oh, I don't know what just happened. You're getting echo. I know it. The YouTube video. Oh, man, come on. Come on, man.

You're getting the YouTube video. You know what happened is I probably had, I probably had the window open in the background somewhere. I don't want that. You know, an open window in the background can get you in a lot of trouble if it's playing audio-open. Adam, this is the episode of course where we rolled

a fuck it, we'll do it live. And so we are live streaming this live to, to, uh, I don't know, some, some people. Um, and, uh, I don't know if, I don't know if this is something anybody cares about. Uh, it certainly gave us a lot of stress figuring out how to get it set up. Yeah, I mean, we'll probably never do this again. Just take it off the board. Yeah.

Well, I'm not going to distract myself with the stream window. I'm pretty sure there's like a chat room over there and stuff. I don't think I want to look at that during because I think I want this to be an us recording an episode together type of episode. All right, that's a good idea. I can get with that. But I thought maybe a good Marin to do in that case was maybe opening gifts from friends of Disoto that have come in the mail. You know why I love this idea?

It's because it's probably the segment that takes the most editing. Yeah, people will really see how the sausage gets made. Captain, I'm sorry to disturb you. I'm receiving a Code 47. Verify? It is Code 47, sir. Start lead emergency frequency. Captions eyes only. I have already begun tearing open the first gift. It is from Perry of Miramar, Florida. That's Fighter Town, USA, Florida.

Oh cool! Second best Miramar? Right. Looks like we have a couple of mini figs that are made to look like, uh, I don't know if those are reading in the camera. Oh man, I don't. I wonder if this is the same mini-fig genius that came to one of our Brooklyn shows and brought entire sets of mini-figs for both of us. Alright, we've been sent a card and a letter. And I will read the letter from Perry and what looks to be Joelle. Alright, so here's the letter. Ben and Adam last year, when my wife and I presented you with a collection of customized

greatest-gen Lego minifigs. There you go. That's the same guy. Yeah, after the greatest-gen con show at the Bellhouse in Brooklyn, I promised to send some nub-and-bugs to complete the collection. Finally, here they are, but with additional bonus minifig versions of yourselves as Wrath of Con aara Starfleet. Cool.

Oh yeah, there's, there are nobun bugs in here. They're at the bottom. Oh, there're little guys. See the nobun bug? Let her go on to say, Greatest Gen has been a true inspiration and helped to pull me out of a long period of depression and creative stagnation. Making media for work is never the same as creating it out of love and a desire to put something entertaining and informative into the world. The enjoyment we derive from greatest gen was the impetus for creating our own podcast. You don't have to name as we have promised ourselves that we will just purchase a shiny

new priority one before the end of 2019 That's very classy Perry. It's classy. I think we should name it Yeah, the their podcast is called you haven't seen what you know, I have some of that You haven't seen what stuff around here too. I knew that Perry had a podcast He talked to us about it in line But I think I got like three or four different pieces of collateral for different podcasts, and then I couldn't remember which one was associated with the Legos. It's a lot to keep organized, for sure. And we're bad at it to begin with.

Wow, thank you Perry and Joelle for such a nice message and for these awesome custom mini-figs. Those are great. You want to open yours up? Yeah, let's see. Oh wow. This is great. The first item is the type of tea cup that Captain Picard might have in his ready room. And it is a miniature bottle of a George Clooney endorsed brand of Tequila.

Love the Clooney Tequila. Oh man, there's two of them. So we'll have to share some Tequila together. Next time you're in town, what else do we have here? This looks like a T. Earl Grey L-Cars. Wow! Container. Oh man, this looks like a Mercury capsule themed T-infuser. Alright.

From the folks at ThinkGeek. My apologies for not name checking you kind friend of disorder Maybe there was a card and it got separated from the stuff at the show that's unfortunate if possible Do you got one more package there is that what I see final box is So heavy this is a 18 pound box I know it because the USPS says so on its label. Let's see what's inside. It's from Robert out of Dayton, Nevada. It's so heavy that it's actually burst. Oh wow. There's a there's a busted side. Oh boy. I think Robert has sent us gauges the video game woow ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha gauges might have been. So did he nail it? Is this the correct game?

It is. Oh, he also included a couple more video games. Of course, the very popular Star Trek Klingon interactive adventure and Star Trek Borg, the interactive movie. I was recently cleaning out my parents' house with them and I discovered a copy of Star Trek Borg the interactive movie from my childhood. I have no memory of ever experiencing that. Also in the box, the obsessed with Star Trek quiz game. Does that have like a computer built into the book. It does. We've got the Star Trek versus the X-Men comic book. Wow. The Star Trek audio book titled IQ on tape, it looks like. Is it possible that Robert does not like our podcast?

And he's like, well, I don't like any of this crap, but I know who does. There is a letter though that may go some way toward explaining what I have here. Letter goes like this, dear Adam and Ben, I meant to give you this greatest gen con in LA, but forgot to bring it. Also, thank you, Ben, for asking if I wanted the three show posters I bought signed. Otherwise, I would have just walked out of the club without getting them signed. Haha, nice work Ben. Nobody has ever turned me down if I asked something, if I, if they wanted something signed, which surprises me. I'm used to being turned down every time I propose something.

Included is the classic submarine game gauges, a game that stars several threat guest stars including Jim Mzlin. No kidding. Oh, that Chris Brenner. You know, interface operations, net access, channel 90. That Chris Brenner. Also, thank you for being such a good source of entertainment for my friend. Crystal, yes, the same Crystal mentioned in the episode, love those puffs, the Phoenix problem, and business casual station

That's the crystal that uh that got the tattoo. I love our episode titles because they are totally inscrutable to me even now the letter concludes you've been such a good influence on her She has created her own podcast one which I've been dragged into being a co-host on thank you for indirectly one which I've been dragged into being a co-host on. Thank you for indirectly pulling me into the biz. It's from Friend of Desotto Robert. Wow. Thanks Robert. Alright, a lot of stuff for my own shelf there.

Thanks to our very generous friends of Desotto. That was quite a haul. Do you want to get into the episode we came to talk about today? Yeah, I think that would be a good idea, given that we spent 20 minutes on our mail call. Actually, one of the shorter ones. If memory serves. Yeah, we did great.

Yeah. All right, Ben, let's get to it. It's Deep Space 9, Season episode 19 shattered mirror. So this episode starts with Jake long-facing it at the spot on the promenade where he and Nog customarily hang out. Everybody kind of clocks this specifically Odo. Enjoying the view. It comes over and explains to Jake that like, it was never Jake that Odo was chasing away. It was Nog and Jake was just kind of

guilty by association. Yeah, Jake said to be at the hanging rail. It just doesn't feel the same without nog. I guess not What do you what do you make of Jake's outfit in this episode sort of a he's combining patterns been which I know from looking at you Is a thing that you'd be okay with was got like the purple sleeve and then the gray hound bus Seat of poultry pattern. Yeah on the other. I think Jake can rock this. It's a little more tunicky and they've definitely, we are definitively out of the Jake Nuck era. You know what you really get a sense

for the colors and patterns when Odo rolls up on them and stands right next to them because you really get such an A and a B of brown town right next to Neop you really get such an A and a B of brown town right next to Neopolitan ice cream. I thought that the scene was a little uneven for me because Jake is also complaining about writer's block and you know it implies that he's sad about a whole bunch of stuff and not just the absence of Nug.

But Nug becomes kind of the central topic of conversation when Quark rolls up. Quark does the thing he does best, which is like pop the emotional balloon that someone else inflated. He's like, yeah, I miss him too, because I could use a good waiter. The first kind word, I think we've ever heard Quark say about Nag's skills as a as a waiter. Right. He also says something about Jake playing Dom Jot with himself. And I wondered if that was just a euphemism for Jack in it. Jacket human.

Human touch penis. Do not neglect balls human. I've never seen balls roll that well for anyone Have Jim suck nearby You know if Picard could go back to his youth and change how many times he jacked it he wouldn't change a thing That's what we learned from tapestry, right? I should have done this a long time ago. Do you think the card jacked it into a jodpers? If it's anything like me, it's just whatever's at the top of the hamper when the when the feeling strikes him. So probably jodpers 90% of the time. Sure.

Every serious writer has their own saddle to jacket into, Ben. Oh yeah, yeah. It really leaves the leather feeling supple. Ha, ha, ha. Anyways, Jake Wanderer's home and finds that his apartment contains more than just his father. I think this is the first of many moments in the episode that feels tonally just off,

and it's not because of a mirror universe character or setting. Jake's attitude at seeing her one would imagine would be more emotional than just happy son seeing a long lost mother. Like there seems to be like a lack of depth to the feeling. I really interpreted that as like a like his brain is shattered in that moment. Like he can't he can't do the math on why she would be there. And so it doesn't know like he doesn't have a knee jerk emotional reaction because of that.

He doesn't understand what he's seeing. Yeah, I mean, he should be committed to the infirmary at this point, and he should not be seen for the rest of the episode. This episode does, I'll spend a lot of time explaining itself, like back explaining itself to viewers. And after seeing that what we left behind documentary, all I can think of is the kind of television viewer most people were in this era.

And also like, I mean, one thing they talked about in that doc was that this was a syndicated television show. So different affiliates would put it on at different times. Sometimes they wouldn't air an episode one week and would just air the next episode, the next week. You could miss pieces of it and never know. And like this episode is about catching up with a bunch of shit that has happened in the Mirror Universe in In our absence, like the camera has not visited

the Mirror Universe in a long time, and a ton of things have changed about it. And so it has like this weird job of like feeling like a continuation of a story, but an episode that a lot has been happening just entirely off camera, and it would be very confusing if you were just kind

of a casual viewer. Yeah, this is a terrible episode for that kind of viewer. If you tune in like 20 minutes late to the episode and you maybe missed the last three episodes of DS9, you're like, wow, things are really messed up on this show these days. It's weird how hard they lean into that sensibility here. I tend to like it most times. But to the degree that it works in a regular main line episode, there are far more hurdles to leap in a Mirror Universe episode. Yeah, for sure.

The effect of the Smash Cut 2 theme song is, you know, it's Jake going mom. And then when we come back from commercial, it's like, not. She explains, I'm not your mom. I am Malibu your mom. Which means she has no genitalia. That's right. no genitalia. That's right. Hahaha. Yeah. The camera goes in close just to confirm that. Yeah.

No, she's from the MU and she, what she claims is that she's there to just kind of give Cisco a cool update on how things are going over there. I was surprised that nobody was suspicious of that. Well, the reason that we're not suspicious as a viewer is because Ben Sisko isn't. Like, we're being taught how to treat the situation through how chill Ben Sisko is. If he were questioning the surprise of her appearance,

that would be one thing, but it seems as though this may be a regular hang. And it could even not be the first time that they've done this. There's a lot implied by just the fact that they've been deep in conversation when Jake walks in. Right. So yeah, like maybe maybe they do this all the time. If that were the case, if you were Jake Cisco, and if your storyline was a little more sophisticated, wouldn't you be a little hurt by your mom being a hidden from you like this? Hey dad, why is this the first time I'm meeting her?

Dad, you seem very relaxed. So Cisco gets kind of called away on some major emissary business and Jake sticks around to hang with mom. She hands him the cup of coffee and he gets kind of lost in just the physical contact of being there with her. I mean, it could be the Folgers crystals, also. Really lost in the flavor. Best part of waking up is your evil mirror universe mother.

Go to Cotter, Cotter, Cotter, Cotter. So we catch up with Sisko in his office. He's hanging out with Kura. Did you notice that he has a pretty sick model of the International Space Station with the Space Shuttle attached to it off in the corner now? I did notice that. It was really cool.

That's neat. I wondered how far along the construction of the ISS was at the time of this episode. Because that was like, I think it was kind of contemporaneous with this, that all those pieces were being launched. Ben Cisco looks at it wistfully. Like, now there's a station without a whole problem. Yeah, it's in this interreganum that Jake has been disappeared by his mirror universe

mother, like because when Cappdance's go returns to his quarters, he gone. Yeah, and it's just like, there's like a little gadget left behind, but he takes it up to Ops and he's like, hey, what's this thing? And O'Brien's like, oh, this must be one of the devices for tricking out the transporter to go between universes. And they're pretty quickly like mounting a rescue effort. Like Kira O'Brien and Cisco are gonna arm up

and head to the MU to rescue Jake. I love that the suspicion is never, that something bad has happened. Yeah. I think both K I love that the suspicion is never, that something bad has happened. Yeah. I think both Kira and O'Brien are like, you know, maybe she just wanted to give him a tour of the Mera universe. That sounds like something he would want, right?

Well, to her credit, Kira goes and gets some dustbusters, but O'Brien is like, where are we getting guns? What do we need with these? Yeah, think outside the box a little bit. Or just think about the Mirror Universe at all. What do we know about the Mirror Universe? I love that in Starfleet, like you're around the office uniform

is the same thing as your field uniform. Like there's no Rambo or Commando getting ready for action scene. There's no Batman clicking his belt on and pulling up his boots. That's a real shame. You know they're just like, oh yeah we'll grab some desk busters, we'll get on this transporter pad and we'll go. So they get on the transporter pad, they energize but only Cisco disappears and he appears in evil ops where Smiley greets him and explains that... Jake's not going anywhere.

I'm neither are you. They intentionally grabbed Jake so that just Cisco would be drawn out. I love the choreography of bad intentions here because right at the climax of what Smiley is saying, two thugs emerge from from side stage with guns. Right. And I really wondered like why why weren't they just there with the guns to be good. Right. I mean, they were practicing that the entire day before the time universe Cisco showed up.

Listen, if we don't if we don't rush in with these guns, we won't have an opportunity to go, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, the exposition that Smiley lays on Cisco is actually really cool and interesting. And that is after taking control of Teraq Noir, the rebels have gone to work on building a mirror universe defiant out of the plans that Smiley took from the prime universe. Only the problem is they can't get it to

go because of the same structural integrity issues that prime universe little D had. You know because Cisco has kind of intimate construction knowledge of the little D. They think they can extort him into helping them fix the nasty little D that they're building in their universe. And that will be the price to get Jake and go home. Yeah, because if they can't pull off this amount of work in this little time, you and your son will die here along with the rest of us. The bad guys, the Cardassian slash Klingon slash Bajorin alliance are kind of bearing down on the station, and the Rebels are going to try and mount a defensive it, but they just are kind of outgunned and outclassed by this force that is coming to take it back. So if they have a nasty,

a working nasty little D, they're going to be in a lot better shape. I know this question destroys the episode, but we know from smiley's previous trip to the prime universe that you can transport entire ships there. Why not just steal the defiant from the prime universe? Right? We also run into Malibu Bashir, he must have missed that cheery face, who really lacks a level of chill in the mere universe. He does not really care at all about Cisco's intentions one way or another as long as he's agreed to help them. And he even decks Cisco, saying like,

you know, I thought you were the Cisco from this side of the line, and he can punch me, but you can't punch me, so this is, I owed you this one. I feel like punches are louder in the Mirror Universe. Did you get the sense that this is a real like Batman TV show sound effect used here? And the punch ledger is really being observed

very scrupulously in the Mary Universe. Everybody knows who owes who a punch. Right. Right. So this goes kind of like, yes, I will help you fix your nasty little D, but I want to see my son first and they're like, we're not surprised to hear you say that.

So let's go show you where he is. And he's at Mirror Universe Quarks, which is now Mirror Universe Nogs. Nog is the proprietor in a world where quark and rom have both been killed. And Nog has really embraced the quark role with quite a bit of alacrity. This is my father.

He's talked to. I think he's not quite, doesn't have as much Shwada Viv as quirk, but definitely is a womanizing asshole the way quirk is. He's more al-Swear engine than prime universe quirk is, I think. And Jake is approaching this as if he's in an amusement park. This place is unbelievable.

Chief O'Brien, Dr. Bershier, Dex, they're all here. This is the other issue of tone in the episode is that there's never any danger here. And Jake specifically never feels like he's in danger at any moment. Yeah, the episode is at great pains to explicate that Jake knows all about the Mirror Universe. His dad is told him basically everything, and yet he brings a, an utter naivete to the danger of the Mirror Universe.

Right. It's like he went to the Star Wars part of Disneyland and all the stormtroopers are carrying real guns. And you still treating it like it's an amusement park ride. It's weird. It's a weird tone. Like nobody was like, you know, Odo, your friend Odo, in the mirror universe, they shot him and he turned into like, glob. It was disgusting. He's a mist. You're actually breathing him in right now. That's disgusting. Yeah, you can't get that smell out, you know. I think Jake's just happy to get some

some dabo girl affection in the scene though. He does not observe the Kiano Reeves rule of not touching them. Kiano Reeves hover hand. Yeah. It's not doing that. Who he's fallen for even more than a dabo girl is for his mother in a mother-son

kind of way. And he's fallen for the Mirror universe as a place. He is really starry-eyed and really in love with the idea of, like, what if mom just moved back in with us and we live together again. She is a very cunning character because she really stokes that fire in him in a way that is very knowingly exploitive. But I think it kind of comes back and bites her in the ass in the end. Outside of her actions, you never get the mustache twisty bad guy vibe from her, which I think you're expected to feel, right?

Right. I think you have to do that math yourself, which is, I think one of the things, one of the strengths of this episode is that the evil she is doing is not, you know, she isn't, she isn't wearing a black hat while she's doing it. And the conflict is presented to us as a conflict between Cap and Cisco and her. And that, Benzisco is down for the cause, but not for the method. Right.

But we cut away from all of this excitement to the inbound fleet, headed up by Regent Warf, who is, I guess, a brung above the Cura character in the Meary Universe. He's like some kind of regional governor or something. And he's captaining a huge cling-on battle cruiser that's got an escort of dozens of birds of prey and Cardassian worships. It is really fun to see the cruiser scaled

against these other ships in the way it is. Yeah. It's like star destroyer versus tie fighter level of size difference. This is much bigger than a cleavship, right? This is probably like four cleavships. Seems really big. Yeah.

I don't know how big in the cleavship system of measures. One thing about this ship though that I know you and I liked a lot is the sound of chains is present and that is for a very specific reason because the chain and question is wrapped around Garyx neck. Your fairness and good judgment on everything I've heard them to be. And Gary, you know, has a much different role in the Mirror Universe. He's not just like a super evil tailor. He's a Gimp. Yeah, he's been kind of metal bikini-layered here.

Ha-ha-ha. He, uh... Up to the point where he kind of makes a pass at Wharf in the scene. He does, and... Do you think he goes in, like, with both hands? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Maybe a warf was game. I don't know. I mean, one thing we've talked about on greatest discovery a lot is that, like, the Mirror

Universe is, like, awful and fascist, and, but on a species level, because like within the Terran Empire, women seem to have as much power as men, and there's no like racial hierarchy as far as we can tell within it. So it's interesting that the same is true on the other side of that conflict in the Mirror universe, like the Klingon Cardassian Alliance, like they're

very chill about LGBTQ people being part of the military in this fleet. So they have good qualities too, is what you're saying. What I'm saying is there's good people on both sides. Oh, no, just like the fact that the, that the character makes, makes a pass and Worf says you're not my type and it's left at that is like pretty progressive, you know. Yeah. You are not my type. For 1996 or whatever year this episode came out.

I sort of think that the reason that Worf isn't down for any of this is less about not being attracted to Gerek and more about the blame that he assigns Garek for the loss of Tera Kenwar, right? Like, I think attraction begins with respect for the person and for just doesn't respect Garek for what happened. What are you doing? What are you doing now? What are you doing now? What are you doing now? Not be guard, not be guard, not be guard, not be guard, not be guard. Exactly. So the progress is beginning on fixing the nasty little D. Cisco is really throwing himself into the work and they show him really like toiling on this ship with lots and lots of

people. I guess they have to reconfigure some kind of like feel the, like a whole integrity field. Is that right? Yeah, it is, but if you see the exterior shot, it looks like it needs a lot more than just some integrity field improvements. Like there are plates missing, half of it's all. This place is a doll. And they have not taken down the scaffolding around it. It's kind of, it's kind of a space dock, but on the side of the station.

And this was, that was a model effect that I wondered. It was like blending model effects and CG, because the structure around the ship is pretty, it's pretty finely detailed and I wondered if that was added as a digital layer. What you mean like the two popsicle sticks extending from the station, bracing the ship against it? Yeah, that was awesome. It was rad.

Into the bridge of the nasty little D walks, mirror universe daxe, who slaps Cisco and cites her reason for slapping him as having had sex with her under false pretenses. To me, this slap was telegraphed because of her, can I speak to your manager haircut? Ha ha ha ha ha. Everyone knows that prime universe Cisco

slept his way through the entire mirror universe last time he was there. Yeah. We should also hate Cisco for that. He should have been more reluctant to go on this trip, like when he gets up on the transporter pad at ops, he tells Kira and O'Brien, he's like, look, you know, hear things about me in this universe that are not true. It's the... If you meet somebody that looks like you, maybe I should just start my apologies now. Yeah, bad look. I'm glad that that chicken kind of comes home to roost

at least a little bit in this episode. But I guess they need him, right? Like, he has a little leverage because he's the only person that really knows how to fix the vibration issue. Yeah, and I guess that's enough. Still, he is made uncomfortable enough to leave ops at this point, which is conveniently around the same time where intendant Kira is being tortured by Bashir. Yeah, she, like, I guess, was attempting to escape and... She was going to use the defiant to escape.

That wouldn't have gone very far. They should just let her was gonna use the defiant to escape? That would negon very far. They should just let her escape and have the defiant shake itself apart in space. The logic in geography here doesn't make a ton of sense to me, as to why they would be there. That's probably the worst place for Kira to be to anyone else. Yeah, she's never gonna let anybody have the upper hand even when she's being tortured. So she's like flirting with Cisco, she's trying to make a deal with him to get her out of out of the who-scow. Like I think the idea is that she's gonna, she's being planted here for later. Like she she'll become a utility character later in the episode. Right, it's just a reminder to the viewer that

she's a going concern. She's a going concern who's obsessed with episode. Right, it's just a reminder to the viewer that she's a going concern. She's a going concern who's obsessed with sex. Right, can't forget about that. They do an intro shot later on where they just dolly over her horizontally-splayed body, starting at her feet and then ending at her face. It's really the like, the Catherine Zeta Jones in entrapment. Right.

Shot of Kira and it's like, well, you guys really got away with some shit in this mirror universe. It's weird that they had that black couch in the brig. Yeah, who knew that they were doing auditions in there? We cut back to Wurf, and basically every scene involving Wurf is just a scene in which he gets pissed at Garrick. It was not for you or in confidence.

The Rebels would have been destroyed. Yeah, this is a dream they beat quite a few times in the episode, but I think that's the scene where Garrick tries to put the moves on Wurf to improve his situation, but the past does not go well. Enterprise. We basically crosscut scenes like that to scenes of a healthy home life between mirror universe, Jennifer Cisco and prime universe Jake. Yeah. Enjoying a family dinner, like you might have expected them to had prime universe Jennifer Sisko lived. They kind of both make the case that this is an acceptable relationship to Ben. Like Ben comes in I guess like at the end of a

long day of working on the nasty little D and he's he's wrung out but you know Jennifer is like trying to comfort him saying like hey I know that this is like a rough deal but this is like actually kind of great for Jake. And, you know, it's an opportunity for him to kind of process his feelings about his mother, who I know I'm not. Ben Cisco, you have to believe is aware of his son's internet search history. He also knows that this ain't Jennifer Sisko. If I were prime uniformer, Spence Sisko, I'd be trying a little harder to keep them separated.

I don't want to leave a mess. The word comes down from smiley that the alliance fleet is really, really close and they basically run out of time. Ben has been working around the clock to get the little D fixed up, but he's got to go right back to work. So back in the engineering section of the nasty little D, they have an eight hour ticking clock, and Malibu Bashir actually offers to kind of go

on a suicide mission to slow the alliance down, which is a kind of surprising bit of selflessness for an MU to exhibit. I think he's willing to do anything to keep DAX away from Cisco. That's sort of how I read it. Wow, yeah. Like one thing that really occurred to me in this episode

and has occurred to me in the past is that betrayal is kind of like currency in the area universe. Like people act surprised about it all the time, but betrayal is kind of like the central feature of the mere universe. So somebody offering to go on a suicide mission should be bet with a ton of skepticism, but it is not. You then, it settled. And it's instead met with like, okay, let's give you guys like as good a plan as we can before you leave.

And so Cisco goes down to talk to Intendant Kira about like, what can we do to give these guys a fighting chance against the Klingons? In this scene, he actually appeals to Kira's love of betrayal. She's got this idea initially that she's going to be rescued by Regent Wurf when he gets to Tareknor and she could be sitting pretty. And Cisco makes the case for like,

yeah, like, except for you lost control of the station to these idiots. Like a, except for you lost control of the station to these idiots, like a guy named Smiley literally is running the station right now. How good an officer is he gonna think you are when he gets here. And so she's persuaded to give him kind of a little bit of a secret intel on the Klingon fleet.

The targeting systems can be fooled. They've been known to chase Warp Shadow. I had a lot of problems with how the plot of this episode held together, but this scene I thought was great. I thought everything was very plausible with the leverage that Cisco applies to Kira here. It's a very tried and true technique in filmmaking that you put your evil characters in more shadow.

Cara is always backlit in these scenes. You know, it's like the Mirror Universe is not a terribly well lit place, as we know, but she's always much darker than Ben Sisko is. And I thought that just like from an emotional and staging standpoint, this scene worked really well for just a kind of a series of singles, you know, that just cut back and forth. Like, it does a really great job of building the stakes and building the tension and making the case for Mayor Universe Kira betraying her alliance.

Like, a lot of the war movies we watch in Friendly Fire, this bit of intel that she gives Cisco is of the form of using subterviews against a better armed enemy in wartime. Yeah. A moment of levity happens after this on the alliance flagship. At least that's the way I saw it been. It was... Someone has lost the key to Garrick's chains. What are we gonna do about this key situation? You know, a problem we've discussed at length is that Garrick can never convince anybody he's not lying

because he's always lying. Even when he's telling the truth, I think when he was chained up to Worf's captain's seat, he thought there may be a stabbing in the offing, but not this kind of stabbing, Adam. Yeah, he only has one knife. Ha ha ha ha. Worf goes into the gut of Garrick

before one of his lackeys realizes that he dropped the key to Garrick's chains and it fell in his boot. So that guy gets stuck with keep stabbed, garrick alive or it's your ass. And this is when the very exciting and very well done ship to ship combat starts because Malibu Bashir and DAX have shown up and they're successfully using the warp shadow technology against the Klingons. Do you think Kern is alive in this universe?

And he's serving at the side of Warf? Man, I don't know. You think he's like on one of the other ships? Here's a follow up question. Do you think Kern in this universe is super chill? I'm like, uh, primate-versed-curne, he's like, Stefan or Kel? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha I know not to put fish eggs on a turkey leg. I'm a bit of a foodie, you see. Mirror universe Kern is foodie Kern. We're gonna be fighting over this guard when it comes time to name a Shimoda, right?

Ben, as soon as I saw this guy's whole deal, I was like, oh no, I have to pick someone else. Don't worry. The Clang on Fleet is inbound and they have to mount a defense with the nasty little D. And it's like, it's kind of like, the deal has been met, right? Like, Cisco's arrangement with Smiley was, I'll fix your ship and then you give me my send back and I'll go.

And to Smiley's credit, he's gonna let Cisco get that deal. I don't understand why some mirror universe people are all the way evil and some are just like neutral. Yeah, I think smiley is not that good at the mirror universe, you know, in much the same way that I'm not that good at this universe. But if he wasn't, wouldn't you expect him to die first? I feel like if you lived this long in the Mirror Universe, it must mean that you are capable of awful things, and I just don't get that read from him. Well, you know, Mirror Universe God take care of babies and fools. Well, but... So yeah, they get the nasty little D out of space stock and start licking shots at the Klingon ships and it's going great.

at the Klingon ships and it's going great. Like, to begin with, it's going great. And then, like, and Cisco is in the captain's chair, but then he's like, clear out Smiley. I'm gonna take over at the helm and show you how to really fight this thing. This made me sad. Cisco does this twice to Smiley. He kicks him out of the command chair

and then he kicks him off the helm. That's brutal. It's pretty rough. Like, was smiley just like sitting off in the corner, feeling bad about this for the rest of the episode? That's had to hurt his feelings. I mean, Cisco says no offense, which might be the first time anybody has ever used those two words in a phrase in the mirror universe. Yeah, he's like, what are you, what? You mean I'm not supposed to take offense at something you're doing? What? No, this is like saying not at the end of a phrase, right?

Yeah, everybody thinks it's a bit in the Mirror Universe that's just a joke. Nothing personal, I just know this should better than you. All I do is sit, sit, sit. So yeah, they pull in real close to War of Scruiser, and it has kind of a Star Wars stormtrooper level firing accuracy, right? And just cannot hit the nasty little D to save its life. And they really fuck it up really bad. And girders start coming out of the ceiling.

And everybody knows in Star Trek that when the girders show up, it is time to go. Like if you still have warp engines, GTFO, when you see girders. Gurders falling is like blood out of the mouth of a character in a horror film. Yeah. You're about to die when that happens. like blood out of the mouth of a character in a horror film. You're about to die when that happens.

Ben, we know about the warp shadow strategy at this point. Strange to me that it's not deployed here by the station. I agree. And I also wondered about what the MU station armament situation is because it's not shooting either. Prime station is bristling with guns at this point. station armament situation is because it's not shooting either. Prime station is bristling with guns at this point, but that is not what is depicted here. The station is nearly defenseless as far as we can tell. I really love the ships circling the rings and going in and out of them and stuff.

Super cool, like using the station as cover and confusing the warbird about where the nasty little D is because it's like gone to the other side of the docking ring. It's great. And yeah, so the alliance fleet gets out of there. With who? And the implication is kind of that Garrick may be back on top

because he is the one suggesting that Kiri is the real betrayer in the situation to Worf. Yeah, I mean, she seems to be the patty for all of this stuff. Yeah, speaking of Kiris, she has mounted a nog-assisted escape from the jail cell they put her in. I love that nog brings her a hotel salad. It is just it's mixed greens. An undressed spring mix in a bowl. Yeah, because it's really about the tray at this point. And how the tray is used to knock out this poor guard. This poor guard who had a wife sent to death

by Kira. It seems like they left him alive, which maybe wasn't super smart, op-sec on Nog's part. Yeah. But yeah, so she escapes, she kills Nog, and she's now like armed walking around the station, and she runs into Jennifer and Jake. Not only do you guarantee me safe passage off the station, but you make the perfect gift for the region as well

Does this make Mirror Universe Morn the owner of Quark's bar now? Yeah, I think that's the uh, what is the line of succession on the bar? He's the designated survivor for the bar. Do you think Mirror Universe Morn has a little dick? Uh, yeah probably so uh, yeah, she shoots Jennifer. No! Spare Jake so that Jake can get Kira a message. Before you were talking about what the currency is in the Mirror universe, and this is another form of that currency, right?

Like, Kira is banking a favor. Right. As if favors have a value here. Right. Which is a surprising idea in a betrayal-centric society. Yep. But it kind of holds. It seems like the $2 bill of currency.

Right. Sort of fun to have as novelty, not very useful when it comes down to it. But it has the effect of Jake not buying the farm here so that when Cisco comes back, he can come to the infirmary where Jennifer is about to shuffle loose this mortal coil on the bio bed and he gets to have another last moment with her. Yeah, because the previous last moment they had

didn't go great. The last moment they had didn't go great. The last moment did not go well, Enterprise. Because what Ben told Jen back then was that whatever connection that she felt at the time wasn't real, it was just like a familiarity that a mere universe, any prime universe person might have to each other, and that's not real. And so, he really heard her feelings back then. But here on the deathbed is where you confide your true, true feelings and those feelings in this case are that Benzisco will always feel a connection to Jen now and after she dies.

All the way up. Yeah. All ways. Yeah, and so they kind of hold hands and she breathes her last. And the Cisco men have to mourn Jennifer Cisco's death one more time. And it's pretty real scene, I think. The final shot of the episode is just an over top shot of her dead body. Bansisco loads her body up into a torpedo tube, takes her to the prime universe, shoots her into the... Futara Nebula. This worked before, I'll just try one more time.

Jake help me with this torpedo. Jake's like, what is Mark if? Fuck you Did you like the episode Adam? I think whether or not I like the episode has a lot to do with this ending and I did not like this ending Are we just supposed to accept that smiley? Upheld his end of the bargain and sent them home. I guess so. I mean, Smiley has shown an eager willingness to do so already. And that was before Ben helped him repel an overwhelming attack by the alliance.

So I guess by even asking that question, I'm just sort of making the case that for the entire episode, the rules of the Mirror Universe change constantly. And I think it's what Star Trek Discovery did very well in making the Mirror Universe threatening and scary. Like, there's so much squish in this universe in deep space 9 that the darkness is only ever from the lighting. Like, the rest of it is just fun. And if I'm supposed to think this is fun, then I can get with that. And I think my problem with it is that I saw Discovery first.

And so I'm expecting it to be dark and scary. And it's, and because it's not like that, that's why I'm not liking these episodes. Maybe if I had watched these first, I would be liking these a whole lot more. So, hmm, I think that's my answer to the did you like question? What about you? I feel like I liked it maybe a little bit more than you. We just for greatest discovery watched the TNG Porn parody fan edit, which is an adult film that is a porn parody of Star Trek, the next generation where they cut out all of the

adult scenes so that it's just a fan episode. And it's like kind of, I think we were both really knocked back in our seats with how sincere a fan episode it was with like kind of, I think we were both really knocked back in our seats with how sincere a fan episode it was with all the fucking taken out. Are you comparing the Mirror universe to a adult film with a fucking cut out? I think what I'm comparing that this to is the idea of a fan with a budget trying to write the wrong of how YAR went out. Like this feels like a what if we could take a second pass at what happened to Jennifer Sisko?

Right, because this is the last time we see her on the show. Right, and she's a very capable actor and it's really been given very little to do in a universe where it's possible to give somebody a second swing despite their character being dead. And so I liked it from that standpoint, just a like what would it be like for Jake? Because we didn't really get that take last time. What would it be like for Jake to re-experience the life of his mother in another universe? Ben, we just watched this episode. Can you tell me how Jake felt the grief of watching his mother

die here? Because I couldn't tell you. You didn't buy it in that last scene? I kind of didn't. No. Yeah, that's a shame. I really felt like I think one of Serokloft and strengths as an actor is infectious enthusiasm. And he gets a ton of time to do that early in the episode, like really excited that he has his mom back to hang out with and spend time with and the kind of child like state that that interestingly pushes him back into despite the fact that he's more or less a grown man now with his own

like life ambitions and dreams and and everything and I really did feel the pain in that last scene with him in Cisco. I think that maybe he deserved two or three more beats in the script to you know talking to Jennifer like the the scene is like much more focused on Ben than it is on Jake. Right in that moment Which is a shame, but I think From a performance standpoint I got there with Sirok Lofton Wow, so maybe we disagree on this one. That's the diff. I just couldn't get up over the edge. Ben, one part of the show that pays off every time are our priority one messages.

You want to see what we have over there? I would love to. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on secured channel Need a supplement Yeah, it's extra the interest alone could be enough to buy this ship All right, it looks like our first priority one message is from doctor say talk and Lieutenant's Zanny boss and Kennen and this message is for for our illustrious GM Joe I want to thank whoever

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What's the G? I mean, it could be a typo. Yeah. There are people screaming at us right now for not knowing this. There we go. It sounds like maybe they're playing the same game as the mammary alpha podcast is playing.

Oh yeah. Look, I'm not saying I don't ever want to play that role playing game, because I do. I just want, I want someone to either D or GM that for me. Yeah, we would not be good at that. Adam, we have a second priority one message here, and it is from Hot in Hamilton, and it is for Ben and Adam, goes like this. The warm weather is upon us. I feel bad using AC and my car commuting on more temperate days. But sitting in a stoplight, windows down, listening to a Star Trek podcast, no way.

Special thanks to the embarrassment caused by the greatest generation for giving me a second reason to drive with the AC on and the windows up. Yeah. That is really fun. I have definitely experienced that driving around listening to a podcast and somebody's talking about burping or farting and I realized that my windows are down and the sound system is probably sharing my weird podcast taste with the entire world. Yeah, you don't want that. The rental that the Car and Jorn's company got me

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It's like a colored bandana. I lived most of my adult life in New York and I just don't speak the language. So... Well one thing that drives good every time is a priority one message if you would like us to read any of those you can go to Maximumfund.org slash. Jembo Tron were personal messages about your personal brand of car culture are $100. And commercial messages from car companies themselves are $200, both of which are a great way to support the ongoing production of the greatest generation. Hey Adam!

What's that been? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? I telegraphed it earlier. I'm just gonna get there first. I'm gonna say it's that Duffy guard who loses the key in his boot. How is that guy the best of the best? That ship is filled with 50,000 Klingon warriors,

like living in bunk beds. That should be the honor guard on there. He should be the best. He should always know where the key is, certainly. And if you're a Klingon, shouldn't you have two keys? I would think so. So I'm making that guard. I mean, the key is kind of bifurcated at the tip.

You know what it is. Yeah. Which makes me wonder if the prop people know that, you know, like are they using Klingon and Atami as part of their, as part of their inspiration for how they design a key? Because if so, like, that makes me think of keys like in such a dirty way, you know. Keys and locks are super sexual when you come to think about it.

Yeah, they really are. It's a hot take, man. Who's your drunk tomato? Mine is Jake, just, you know, and I think that maybe this is kind of complicating my take on the episode, but that naivete that approach he has to the mirror universe where it is very clear that he does not have

a healthy mistrust of the Mirror universe. Is very drunk Shimoda like to me? Like he's like a toddler wandering into a bad neighborhood. Or like Shimoda just kind of like ignoring the calamitous crisis happening all around him. Right. And just like chilling in the bar with a bunch of very evil people.

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I think it's good that we're not getting complaints that... Oh, we're getting complaints, Ben. Oh, good. We're almost exclusively getting complaints. Is that really true? No. It is just a scroll of super fast comments.

Oh, people are saying 400. Wow. That's more than 400. Yeah, that's more than I expected. That is shocking. Not including the guy on Reddit who complained vociferously about us doing this while he was at work. Sorry, we didn't schedule this around your work schedule.

Strange you're on Reddit. I got complaints that we didn't schedule it well for the East Coast or for Great Britain. Well, here's the thing about the production of Greatest Gen. We have to produce this on a schedule that works for Ben and me. Otherwise it's not going to get made. Yeah, but this hopefully will happen again. I think, I think, well, I think now that we know how to do it, I don't care. There's at least one other video on our YouTube channel

as of this recording that should delight anybody that enjoys our brand of comedy. The next episode, Adam, is season four, episode 20, the Muse. Well, Odo provides shelter for a pregnant Lwaxon, a Troy. Jake Sisko falls under the spell of a mysterious woman. Can we land on a quarks bar for this one? Just for old time's sake.

Give him a, it's a Lwaxana Troy episode. Is that in range? I don't know Adam. It's your role. You're required to learn as you play, role. So I think if you roll a six, which you've never done, that would be a corks bar. I've got the die in my hand.

I'm rolling the die. Goddammit. I roll the two. Chula! Did I win? All right. Just a two. It gets us off of the fuck it.

We'll do it live. Square two. Squares ahead to square 14, which is a regular old episode. And I don't know about you, Ben. But I might turn it into my own private quirks far. Really? Healy. Well, I'm really looking forward to that next episode, Adam.

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