The Greatest Generation - I Wish I'd Been Born a Piller (VOY S2E18)

Episode Date: September 27, 2021

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which is Suicide Prevention Awareness Month. And if you're feeling that kind of despondence, I wanna encourage you to reach out for help. You can call 1-800-273-TA-LK or text NAMI to 741-741. If you're in the US and a trained counselor will help you through what you're dealing with. If you're going through a thing, let me just say that the world is a better place with you in it, even if that's hard to see right now. I'm Captain Captain Brinjane, one of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the U.S. and 4 of the Adam Pranika. Oh boy, Adam. We talked about having a segment for the open today,

but then we didn't prepare one. We talked about watching the movie Death Wish, but then we didn't watch it. We talked more about watching Death Wish than we did the doing of it, you know. We talked a lot of shit. Yeah. I've seen Death Wish, it's been a long time.

It's, I mean, it's a very different type of Deathwish than we discussed in this episode. It's a very different type of Bronson, too. Like Bronson was like a known movie star before then. Yeah. And Deathwish sort of started the long, I don't want to say decline, but Chuck Bronson just started to be in Deathwish Chuck Bronson for the rest of his career. Did you? Yeah. You never want your career to find a deathwish inflection point, I don't think, right?

It's a bit like what happened to Liam Neeson with Taken. He got deathwished. He got deathwished. I feel like Bruce Willis isn't a bit of a space like this now where it's just like, I watched I'm there was a sci-fi movie on Netflix that I was like, oh sci-fi movie starring Bruce Willis, I'm in. And it was like, I couldn't believe how low budget it looked. It looked lower budget than like the mighty Morphin Power Rangers TV show.

And it's like, what it asks of Bruce Willis is get in a super advanced warfight in space suit and run around killing people in this movie. I think it's emblematic of why and how people are reluctant to take risks on lower budgets, right? Because as soon as you get that stink on you, the death wish stink. That's not coming off.

All of a sudden, that's your price. Yeah. I'm not tucking shit. I know that for every taken, there's 10 more Liam Neeson movies that are not as good as taken as the issue. And you never know which is going to be which. We're saying this as fans of these people. Like, I'm a Bruce Willis fan, I'm a Liam Neeson fan.

I would like to see them in more good movies. Yeah, it's a shame, it's a shame. Well, fortunately this is a good episode of Star Trek, Adam. Filled with actors who are not doing it for the paycheck. No, they're doing it for the fun. Yeah. Whoa. Oh boy.

I just got blasted. I just, the viewers at home saw this, just the way I did, which was you heard the can crack. And then arcing across the frame. We're just ropes of foam, hitting the mic, hitting. All all over my face. I mean if you're into this sort of thing It had been right in the glasses my fantasy is to open two such cans at once Yeah, a friend of ours brought over some hard kombucha the other night for a dinner party And we didn't actually crack into any of it, but I was like oh maybe I'll have a hard kombucha and other night for a dinner party and we didn't actually crack into any of it,

but I was like, oh, maybe I'll have a hard kombucha and see how that is while I'm recording show today. Is this your first time? You offered me one of those when I was visiting a few days ago and I didn't take you up on it. Yeah, well, it didn't miss much. Oh no, not a fan, huh? It's very bready.

I'm surprised at how bready it is given that it is not a beer and how much of the like branding on the package is about how much not a beer it is. Well, that's too bad. You know what's interesting, Ben, is I'm drinking a virgin kombucha right here. Oh, kombucha is entirely virginal, right? Oh, yeah. This kombucha's done butt stuff. Right.

Yours is somewhat too messant and minus turgid, I think, as the difference in hardness we're talking about. It is. I never used to have a taste for the stuff. I found one flavor that works for me. I think that's the difference. Wow. Yeah.

I felt like they go with weird flavors on a lot of kombuaches. Hey, guess what I don't want to drink? Anything that just tastes like cayenne pepper for some reason. Yeah. Yeah. Like especially, vegetable flavors get that out of here. You're not into a bomb of turmeric in your beverage. I want my kombucha flavored like red pop.

Faco. Whoop, whoop Adam. Make, make a taste like that, please. The insane clown posse will soon reach an age where they're spraying kombucha at the crowd. You think we'll ever get invited to the to the gathering? I don't know. Oh, I've been invited to the gathering.

You know, the gathering is virtual. As performers, I mean, not just like by one of your fucking weird friends. I've got friends who are down with the clown. Yeah. I think I don't want to perform at the gathering based on what they did to Tia Tequila. I think I would get Tia Tequila out there. Yeah, a lot of rocks would get thrown at you. I wouldn't like that at all. What if we had like a roadhouse style stage set up where there was like chicken wire in between

us and them. I would need the smallest sized gauge chicken wire. Like it would basically be totally opaque. No missile, no matter how small it's getting through this. Nothing's getting through the barrier. It would basically be like a drum shield. How about like it's two layers of chicken, it's three pie, it's chicken wire on the outsides and then the middle pie is like the stuff that is in like a screen door.

Oh yeah. So you can still see through it and it's, you know, there's transmission of sound and everything, but even if somebody throws like a water balloon full of acid, it's not really gonna get through that. Yeah, because that's what they throw at the gathering. Probably more likely a water balloon full of white and black face paint, right? Yeah, yeah.

I need to really... I need to really... I need to really... I need to really... I need to really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really really in college who actually did the face paint thing and like went to the shows and whatnot.

Has anybody ever like pre-visualized what it would look like if Kiss and the ICP like met it for a street fight or something? Yeah, a lot of face paint was spilled that day. The gutters ran thick with a comangling of white and black face paints. thick with a comingling of white and black face paints. Like peanut buster parfait. Yeah, because I started to ask you what your theme would be, and then it hit me that that's really more of a kiss thing. Like the I.C.P. that it's not not really themed. It's just it's just insane clown as the theme.

That's the theme. It's a very short pitch. What if there was a posse of get this insane clowns? It's an idea so good they've lived off it for more than 20 years, Ben. Yeah. It's a better idea than ours than we will ever be. I don't see us pivoting to independent country, western movie. Do you think Dom Peretta has to like send them royalty money every time he talks about how important family is to him? I mean, I can only hope that there's some sort

of exchange happening there between those, those two universes. Maybe that's the secret. What if we like, hey, the friends of DeSoto aren't just a bunch of people that enjoy a podcast. They're a family. The family you like. But we just kind of like, you know, push that a little bit harder. The family that won't confuse you by a really strange text at a really odd hour. won't confuse you by a really strange text at a really odd hour.

You're like, this is how we're going to connect. What? A friend in DeSoto would never just call you to see how you're doing. And it's really, and it, and they're really calling you to vent about their partner who is your other parent. Right. Yeah. That's not what a friend a DeSoto does. No. A friend a DeSoto would never have a death wish at them. That's right.

Friends a DeSoto live forever. It's the one thing about friends a DeSoto and our brand of friendship. Ben, you just did it. You came up with our pivot. You conjured it like so much foam out of the air that you shot at your own face. It's getting the Star Trek Voyager season two episode 18.

Death Wish. Reaver Course. Unless you've got something a little bigger in your torpedo doots, I'm not turning around. Hey, we got an erratic comment, erratic comment situation. It's trajectory is erratic. How great would it be if it were just like wandering all over the road, like running into garbage cans and stuff?

Yeah, the visualization that the special effects department came up with didn't really sell how erratic this thing is. Yeah. I mean, it looked, I would never pull this carpet over. It's like it's doing fine by me. Yeah. Hey, comment. Get home safe. Do you think that this imagery was meant to evoke that one

where the Enterprise D found the archive of the like ancient civilization? Was that mesh? It sounds like you're describing masks. For the purposes of this episode, all of my impressions will be Chuck Branson. Wow. Okay. I know that Chuck Bryant will really appreciate that. Yeah, audience of one.

A favorite bit. Audience of one. This episode. This episode. The greatest generation. This one's going on to UCB. Yeah. Which is a 50% greater audience than we usually have. Hey, let's get a core sample of this erratic comment.

I was shocked that BLT did not go to engineering, stand right next to the warp core. Yeah, well being this right into engineeringy. Should have been the plan. Beam it into my loving arms. No, instead she goes to the transport room and kicks this poor transportor tech off of the off of the panel. I got to say Adam, Captain Janeway's like excitement over finding something like a comet that doesn't behave the way

yeah, a normal comet would is so infectious. She's so fucking excited about this thing. It might be something we've never encountered before. And when the guy just beams onto the transporter pad, it was such a like head fuck to me. I was like, what the fuck? I thought this was really well done. They should have beamed over like a Jack Frost looking man. I thought that then turned into Garrett Graham.

Yeah, like he did one of those. Oh! Like he dofs his snowman hat. Malady. Oh man. Garrett Graham. His eyes dark like two pieces of coal. Yeah. That's what a snowman's got, right?

Yeah. Also from Babel on five. Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't know. I obviously wouldn't know that reference. Hey, are you into Babel on five? No. Should I be? It's a man, man.

And that's the big surprise, right? Because, I mean, he is a man, but also he walks right through that force field. Austin, that's not a man, that's my mother. Ha, ha, ha. As soon as BLT tells Captain Janeway what happens, I love how fast she snaps into action. Janeway knows all about this Q-shit

and she is not gonna let this go down. She's read the briefings. Yeah. His makeup, I guess I was vaguely aware that John Delansi had like brown lipstick and extra dark under eyes as like part of the look for Q. Yeah. But with a much lighter coloring like yeah like John Delanseys like a fall and

this guy's a spring or a summer and it just looks it looks much stranger on him. These aren't my colors. It makes John Delancey's make up more apparent. It does. Yeah. So, he cues Captain Janeway and himself to Nielix's restaurant. This is how the episode got its name, right? Cause, he's like, I'm gonna take you to lunch, the worst restaurant in the galaxy. He walks right past the sea rating the time in the window from the

health department. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they're still open. So it's not like, you know, a D will get your doors shut, you know, they'll put a fucking bike lock on those things. Yeah, this is how you know that this queue doesn't care if he lives or dies. Yeah. I liked Nielix and Kess having no context for this. Is there some new chef she's interviewing? The Starfleet's sort of pick up what's going on in this room, but Nelix has like professional jealousy in this moment. Yeah, it's QS celebrity in a fun way. Yeah, which is kind of an idea that I feel like they're doing a little bit on lower decks.

Like, what if you worked on a shittier ship than the enterprise and got to meet somebody from one of those adventures? Yeah, and there's a lot of background acting happening in this scene with respect to this concept. Yeah. So real is that cue? Holy shit. Kind of react happening. I thought he had darker hair. What? Is he wearing some kind of lip shade? Do you think he'll say John Luck Pickard and he'll never be able to get that out of your head for the rest of your life? Q is walking around this mess hall like the little mermaid out on land, right? He's practically singing a song about all of the things that he's seeing there. Yeah. And when he gets to Cass, he's like,

oh, your people are amazing to me. I wish I could die like you. Yeah, very excited about their mortality. Yeah. Especially Cass who only lives for nine years. That really gets him going. I don't like how they don't give Cass really an opportunity to react about

how awful this situation is for her. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think this would have been a great moment for her to freshen him up. See whose powers are greater. No kidding. That would have been awesome. She's just like, get off my ship. He seems ready to go at this point. He's chosen Nelix's as his place to die. And then sort of steps into, I mean, if there was a spotlight in this room, it would be pointed here in the room. And his last words are very Christ-like, I thought. Like out of context, he's talking about like dying for other people, making some sort of point. You know, I've had 300 years to think of appropriate last words. I wanted something memorable.

And then obviously everyone who witnesses this takes exactly the wrong lessons from this moment and just warps it forever and ever for their own personal reasons. There's a, I think it's a Philip Pullman book called The Good Man Jesus and the Scoundrel Christ. Oh yeah. Where. Based on title alone, that's interesting.

Yeah, it's like the gospel retold, but it's two dudes and one of them is like, just a normal man that is a nice person that tries to live a good life and the other one is like tricking people with his magic. His magic. His light of hand. One of them is a cool guy named Jesus and the other one is David Blaine actually. Chris Angel, did it better?

You bitch. Just gone around putting soda in people's mouths. Yeah. He snaps his fingers and his infinity gauntlet is a little bit busted at him because he gets rid of all of the dudes on the ship. Cass is like, you freshened up the wrong people, didn't you? I know exactly what happened. Yeah, I've been there done that brother. Yeah, yeah, he's freshened up all the men and they are gone. It's a ship of women now. He's like now I have you all to myself. Yeah,

I like get the fuck out of here. You freak. He cannot bring them back. His handgive appears to be broken and Janeway is pissed. This is not going to work. I mean, we know that they have like barely enough people to keep the ship going. And if that number has been cut roughly in half, that would be bad. None of the men on the ship that we know are particularly good at their job besides Kim, though, right? I think Janeway's got to be looking at the situation

like, I'll be fine without Chico Tay and Paris and Tuvac has let me down many times. I've had more than one conversation this season about how I'm never going to forget a thing that Tuvac did. I know he's my best friend aboard but honestly it's getting old at this point. but honestly it's getting old at this point. I say we try a few episodes like this. Now Adam, how would that sound if Chuck Bronson had said it? As soon as I just, as soon as I finished that, I was like, I ruined the bit. Oh, you fucked up Adam. Everybody's gonna be writing us angry letters now.

I'm actually just fine with being the captain of a ship full of women. It's gonna be okay for me. My wife and daughter being dead. This is cold comfort but comfort nonetheless. You take Chicoote away from me. You take Tuva, you take Paris. You can have me out for revenge, Q. Revenge I shall have.

I might say something even worse than what Q does about Tricote's face tattoo. Count your blessings. You don't want to meet me and cast suddenly streets. But I'm going to combine you Q. They conjure another Q atom and this is old cue. This is the lancy cue. They start bickering and I just like it hit me in this moment. What a long way these guys have come from attempting to pass judgment on all of humanity. I became very irritated with this episode right here when it did not seek to differentiate

the two cues by name ever. Yeah. Like until the very, very end when, when comic cue becomes Quinn, we get like two minutes of Quinn. Give me a fucking break. Well, it also seems to be resisting calling them cues plural.

Yeah. And then it like gives up on that at a certain point. Yeah. Q to Lansi is much better at all than Q tricks than comic Q though. And that's evident right up top. They did this in the like Q is in trouble on the Enterprise episode though, right?

Like that it was, it was two Qs talking to each other as though Q was their first name. Yeah. I think it's just like not as well executed here. You brought all the men back. Thank you. You may go. Sossage party is back on.

So this, this comic Q is there for Asylum. Like as soon as Q Delancey shows up, comic Q's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Asylum, that's what I want. That's what I can ask for. Which is, I feel like a rhyme that he bit from Delanci Q also. Yeah.

Yeah. But Delanci Q X shocked at this. Yeah. And as a reaction, comic Q is like, well, I got to get away from Q Delanci and start moving the ship all around time and around the universe In order to evade Cucamacue to Lansi, but Cucamacue to Lansi knows all the tricks. You can't hide from Cucamacue to Lansi. You can't hide in the Big Bang, you can't hide some atomic, you can't hide in the nexus on the Christmas tree in Picard's fantasy house. Merry Christmas, Uncle. Merry Christmas to you, too.

You know where the comic you could have hid the ship on an episode of the Big Bang Theory, because no one would have watched that or found the ship there. You'll be safe a very long time in an episode of the Big Bang Theory. But then you'd like to meet your mom's friend who lives in Minnesota, and she would randomly like know all about it, and you'd be like, mom's friend who lives in Minnesota

and she would randomly like know all about it and you'd be like, why do you like it? Cute to Lancy would eventually find you taking a commuter jet between Boston and Philadelphia just watching some random 26 minute episode of a seatback television because there's nothing else to watch and none of the other channels come in. Or even worse, like preloaded on an iPad, like you, that's what you got on your iPad for the flight.

Like, you downloaded that? I would rather face forward, like fucking putty and watch nothing, than watch the Big Bang Theory any day. And it doesn't matter how long the flight is. Wow. Brutal. Yeah. This is why you're going to have. The Heidenseek does not go well for Comet Q. I think if you're Kate Mogrew, you got to ask for a second take on her anger in this scene because she is spittle angry here. She begrudgingly grants asylum to Comet Q, but really really takes the word takes the lumber to Q Delancy and the process. Great Umbridge is taken here. You can see the hard

kombucha foam forming in the corners of her mouth. Yeah. It's a pretty interesting episode because it kind of turns into courtroom drama at this point. At the expense of like having almost anyone else from the show in the episode for most of the rest of the episode. And I mean as a as a fan of Voyager, I was excited at the prospect of a lawyer Janeway episode. But it's not lawyer Janeway, it's Judge Janeway. She is in the Philip Alouve Watch Air and it's lawyer Tuvac.

That's what I'm saying. There is a little bit of this episode does not give you what it's selling you up front, I think. Yeah. I think that it would have felt too derivative for part of the rules of engagement to be that one of the Starfleets had to represent Q continuum. It was especially derivative when Tuvaak like reached into comic Q side body and was like, Ben this inanimate rod. That really was like the convergence of Mr. Burns and Charles Bronson that nobody ever

thought of before. Every Starfleet captain wants a hearing on their ship. It's why you become a captain in the first place. You want to host one of these. Yeah. And Janeway jumps at the chance. And Q's love of formality makes this an attractive prospect for Q to Lansi also. All right, I accept. Don't be happy to continue. I've cosplayed as a judge before. Like, this is a lark. I'm very familiar with and I'm very excited about it. The stakes couldn't be higher though Ben. It's eternal prison for comic queue versus mortality as a mortal person. And the promise that he will commit

suicide if given leave to do so. Right. And that really puts Janeway in a weird bind because she has a moral, like neither one will be something that she feels like she can really approve of. It feels like Hugh's misogyny is on display in this scene and henceforth in a way that felt unusual for this character. I was thinking back on his appearances on TNG, and I'd never really felt like he was as loaded up in that way as he is in this episode. I don't think Vash would have hung out with him

if he was acting like this. No way. Yeah, and whatever happened to Vash. I think she got sick of him and disembarked the goodship cue on Deep Space 9, if memory serves. Just give me back my life. You're regrettative, I do. I'm willing to take my chances.

It's clear later on, Qdelancey's kind of trolling for his next vash, isn't he? He does like the cut of Janeway's jib, but yeah, if he's trying to like do the game by negging her and acting like a misogynist prick is not working on her. Yeah. So in two-vax quarters, comic cue interrupts his homework, I guess, to give both two-vax and the viewer a convenient backstory speech. It turns out that the Q is the Cheesecake Factory of living. Yeah, really good Chinese chicken salad by all accounts. Yeah, like really, I mean, neither amazing nor disappointing, just pretty good all the way through. But like if you were ever to go there, you know you'd have a pretty long wait, you'd have to get one of those big buzzers that you carry around them all. Yeah. And it's like, why would I wait this long for food,

this unremarkable? And yet, if you're in a city like a Fresno or a Tacoma, It's a safety net that you kind of appreciate. Right. When you're in your state's 8th biggest city, sometimes it's the best you can do. That's true. Yeah. So, Tuvac is going to be his advocate in this hearing. And Tuvac is uniquely suited to this because there are scenarios under which Vulcans

will approve of somebody choosing to take their own life. I mean, in a society as logic oriented as Vulcans, I guess like you don't have people that are just suffering from mental illness. Yeah, Tuvac's like, ordinarily we just meld their problems into someone else. You take half of this of my shoulders, I'll be able to make it through the next three weeks. Yeah, there's something attractive about this for two vakets. Hey, do you like how my outfit kind of looks like white Batman. Very comfortable day on set for me.

It's like a Terry class bathroom. That would be perfectly normal thing to wear in the bat cave. And why does Siric's wife always look so different? It seems like every time different lady with the same taste in jewelry. Now be careful you can't bob dillining. I'm getting it about doing. I think that happens to be every time we do this. Every time we throw this party out of it I wind up dillining a little bit. Yeah.

So the hearing itself starts right away. Why wait, Ben? Let's get to the hearing. And then let's go through the rules. Nothing below the belt. Right. Mark was of Queen's Berry. This will not be a circus trial.

There is no three knockdown rule. You cannot be saved by the bell. Yeah. And so forth. Tolante Q. No lawyer on his team. Yeah, that's normallyantiku, no lawyer on his team. Yeah, that's normally a bad sign, right? Representing yourself.

Yeah. That's a little Robert Durst situation over there. Yeah. But he also, like I sure is, are that this is like a really, really big deal from the cue point of view, something that the continuum takes really, really seriously. Yeah. And something they're very concerned about.

So the first question actually goes to CometQ. And the question is, if we let you be mortal, why is committing suicide the thing you want to do with that? Yeah, weird flex. Basically, what he says is, I've ticked all the boxes. I've done all the stuff. No one's ever eaten everything a cheesecake factory and comic

queue has done it. He's done it. He's literally gone through the menu and crossed every line off. No one's ever done that, right? Ben, here's the pitch for our next podcast idea. Oh, man. Everything at Cheesecake Factory.

The Cheesecake Factor. And episode by episode. The Cheesecake Factor. Exploration of everything on the Cheesecake Factory menu. And we record it at Cheesecake Factory with like labs that are like taped under our clothes So they can't tell that we're recording a podcast. It'll be totally unlistenable. Oh, man. People would hate that. Yeah Almost you know like hate this show when we when we had Jason Menzoukis as our dinner guest Yeah, people love it because the Zooks rules. Yeah, don't give the guy anything with eggs, though. No.

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if you are a queue. And when you're a queue, you're a queue all the way, then. Mm-hmm. From your first freshen up to your last dying day. Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha- Ada from Star Trek Picard kind of argument, right? Because his argument, as I recall it, is that life has lesser meaning without the specter of an end to it. Like it's the end of a life that actually creates the container for a person's story.

The idea of a person having a complete life is impossible without an end to that life. Mm-hmm. Yeah, spoiler alert. For life and for Star Trek Picard. Right, yeah, I mean, that's gonna be what Picard season two is basically about, is like, do I have to do the data thing now? Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, my strings. Super card saying. I think I know a guy with a pizza oven. No way. They got to call some witnesses because this is a trial. Yeah.

And the first witness that gets called is young girl cue from that one episode of TNG, where she found out she was a cue. Oh, no. Oh, yeah. That would have been a nice cameo, right? Oh, no, no, no, I didn't mean it. Would have been great. Bring her back. I'm back, baby. I've learned how to use my pelvis. Bring back Olivia Diabo. That's what you got to do for a moment like this. You telling me Olivia Diabo isn't going to pick up the phone? The lansi picked up the phone.

Yeah. To be fair, he thought he was picking up the phone for Deep Space Nine and was surprised when he showed up and it was Voyager. I mean, when he showed up, he just told the person driving the golf cart to take them to the Star Trek set. No, no, not this one. But he has a story about how the continuum doesn't even know like how the math works out. If you, if you de-queue a cue, if you give a cue mortality and let them punch their own

ticket, what does that even do to the continuum? This to me was far more of a reason to disallow this than the initial defense, which was like Comic-Q's mental imbalance, being the reason why we can't just allow this person to have their own choices here. True. Yeah. To me, I was like, yeah, if this is like crossing the streams and ghostbusters, like, yeah, I would fear the possible outcome here. Yeah, if this is meeting yourself in back to the future, it's a fucking nightmare scenario.

And I think that there's some careful language use around it being an unknown for the continuum. Like, it doesn't, there's never an implication that it would do something to reality or to the time space continue. It's the queue continuum specifically. Except when the next three witnesses are brought in, these are witnesses from across time. We've got a Isaac Newton famous scienceman. We've got a commander-writer famous starfleet and we got a Mari Ginsburg. Yeah. Who's a Mari Ginsburg? The Mari Ginsburg. And the thing about these witnesses that may contradict what you're saying, Ben, is that

I felt like their stories were presented in a way that it's not that comic queue is responsible for all of these good things happening throughout time. In Newton's case, comic queue shook the tree that the apple fell out of. In Rikers case, you know, Rikers, In Riker's case, you know, Riker's great, great, great, great, Uncle figure in the Civil War managed to survive that conflict, thus making William Riker's birth possible down the line. And then Murray Ginsburg makes Woodstock possible, which I guess is a significant moment in human history for some reason. I am so fucking sick of Woodstock shit.

Sure. Anyway, Ben, my point is that I couldn't tell whether the episode was going look at all of the good that Comic-Q has done. Hence, Comic-Q still has good in him for the future. Or if this was, if we take Comic-Q off the board, all of these good things will also dissolve in a back to the future Polaroid type of way. Right. Were you able to get which argument they were making here? Because these are people throughout time like this isn't even current riker. This is round badge riker.

I think the timeline is fucked up because this version of Riker wouldn't have any knowledge of Janeway being in the D Quad if it was in that uniform. And I think the episode is also a little self-conscious of its own issue with it being Riker because of the lantic cues being a pivotal reason why the Borgs showed up in the a-quad and Riker being the person that repelled the Locutus attack. And what I read was that the episode originally had Jordi as the witness that shows up in this scene. And there were like little Easter egg jokes in the script about how Tim Russ had been like a finalist in the casting process to play Jority.

Oh wow. Like Q would have said something like you could have been the head engineer on the enterprise. If not for me or something like that. Tim Russ doesn't deserve that. Yeah, but Lavar Burton was not available to come in and do the role. Bullshit. So they brought in Freaks instead, and I wonder if that kind of like broke enough story logic in the original script that they didn't have time to like patch all the holes.

So it's a bit of a, I don't know, maybe I'm making excuses for the script, but it doesn't work. I mean, it does explain how strange it is that you go through the trouble of bringing in a Jonathan Friggs as William Riker, and he's gone after a three-minute scene. Yeah, I was like, oh, did Friggs direct this one? Is that why he's like in for a second in the way that he was in the offspring, which was the first episode he directed and he was in it for one second because he was probably too distracted with directing to do a bunch of acting prep also. Do you think John Delancey obscures the stunt casting of Freaks in this episode because

it's happening in the same episode? It felt like this was a deliberate move to do that. I don't know. I don't think of Jordy as having had particularly noteworthy interactions with Q. No, yeah. Breaker, maybe a little bit more, but Q is Picard's adversary, not either of theirs, you know. Q Delancy snaps his fingers, brings Jordy into the room, and the same question Jordy always asks when Q's around, is this your idea of sex? This is the scene I thought for sure. Janeway as chief adjudicator would be like,

you Q's, you know, this, this is what happens when you are prime directive motivated. You go meddling around in your woodstock spotlight operators and all of a sudden like it's your main thing. You're, you're just meddlers and you ruin everything that you touch and this is why and this is why the prime directive rules. But there's never a counter argument to being a cue here, and I thought Jane Wave would live for an argument like that. Yeah, and... Cue's balls are right there to kick.

She's not in the role of ball kicking, and it falls to two-lock, and instead, he is much more one of us at a tie-fie convention. It's like, this guy has been locked up for 300 years. So how could any of this have any bearing and also if he kills himself, why does it matter if you just want to lock him away? Right. Would it help matters if we went to see what the prison cell looked like? Is a question floated here? And so everyone is hand-gived over to the comment and the phone booth size area that comic queue would be living in henceforth. Yeah. I guess the end beam over to the, to the place

where the core sample was beamed out of. That's the only part. Yeah. It was like, it was like the world's shittiest forgotten zone or whatever from Superman to what's it called? It looked like a frosted shower door. Yeah, we were shooting through. Yeah, I thought it was an effect. And I was like, oh, no, they just built like a weird, clear wall and had them all stand right behind it in the Star Trek games. That's all this is the conditions of his imprisonment are what are being presented as a counter argument to allowing this guy permission to end his own life.

Like, you don't want to not allow him to end his own life because if you don't, this is where he'll end up. It's worse than death, right? Worse than death at him. And comic cues like I've been suffering, you don't understand. You think that's suffering over on the comment? Imagine when it's like eating every item on the cheesecake factory menu. It's brutal. It is brutalized, mate.

Coffee black, make it yourself. I'm trying to help you see this as an opportunity to grow. Make it yourself. Janeway says something in this moment, along the lines of, I'm not going to consider the conditions in the prison. All right, I guess she actually says, I'm not going to consider the conditions in the prison. Alright, I guess she actually says, I'm not going to consider the prison conditions as part of this hearing.

Yameeli, get a couple of the prisoners and then you start tunneling out. Isn't asylum partly granted based on the conditions that the person we'd be subjected to if asylum was not granted? Kind of thought that was a factor. Fuck is she talking about? I don't know. I don't know.

Like this episode has such a great setup. What if Jane Wad to decide between somebody killing themselves or living the rest of their life in prison and their queue? The question is would you kill yourself or live the rest of your life in a cheesecake factory? But it is encounter at far point, she was on the other foot, right? What if the human was put in a position of judging a queue? And that's such a great setup. And I just feel like they keep running face first into these like logical walls that they

didn't figure out. Like so many rakes. This episode is beginning to struggle. It really is. Can Comic-Q prove suffering? Ben, this is the question that triggers Tuvac into requesting a break so he can consider that question in the single most concentrated location of suffering known to him.

Where people enter, hopeful and hungry, and leave disgusted and unsatisfied, a dark and life-sucking place from which there is no escape. Neelix is cafeteria. Inscription over the door that says, Abandon Hope, all you who enter here. Yeah.

And then you get inside of Neelix, tells you what the special of the day is. Yeah. And this is a show that is in on that joke. I think when you make this edit, it's great. The decision is made though. Let's go to the continuum. Yeah. That'll be cool.

It's a great idea and it's an exciting idea, but we don't get to go right there because, first, Janeway calls a little meeting in her chambers, but without the defense advocate there, which is a bit unusual. Right. She meets with D'Lantzikü about whether or not they can find a way to kind of solomatically avoid either outcome. She does not want this guy to commit suicide and she doesn't want him to spend eternity in prison. So she brings Delanty Q in here to say,

listen, let this guy back in, bring him back into the fold, make the commitment to me that he's not gonna be in prison and we'll just call this all good. There's coffee in the faunted cue continuum. His counter proposal, Adam, is I could get you home. Yeah. I can solve your whole your whole series for you.

And Janeway looks out the window and Tom Mervins is floating in space. Like, yeah, trying to breathe and but't, and their dog is out there too. The dog is struggling. It's horrifying. Yeah. She can't accept that as a gift. Like Tom Mervins is just banging on the window before his air gives out. Oh, it's awful.

Really brutal. Space and then they cut to the wide shot. Yeah. Poor guy. Poor dog. Yeah. It's not really a bribe that she can accept and feel good with herself though. She wouldn't be able to sleep at night.

It's cruel though too, right? Like, it's not that it's a bribe. It's a bribe with the thing that she wants the most. It's a bribe with the thing that she wants the most and that costs Q nothing to give. Yeah, that's so brutal. That's the thing that is so manning about Q. And kind of one of the reasons that I've never loved Q as a element of the Star Trek universe in general is like I think that it kind of takes some of the fun about out of what if we were way better as people. Right.

But yeah, so back in the courtroom, Tudac makes this pitch. Why don't we go to the continuum and there's a kind of astonishingly brief conversation between the cues about how this might work, and then we're there. Yeah. Their conversation is basically old desert road, weird Texas chainsaw masker house, a bunch of strange people who have no connection to each other, an up and ball machine, deal.

Deal. Hey, speaking of Roadhouse, Adam. Yeah. It's kind of old-timey. It's kind of like 1950s-y in the way that it is presented. I mean, the real America, Ben. That's what the continuum is, right? The Good Old Days.

Yeah. They're playing croquet. One of the balls looks like the planet Earth. Yeah. Be careful with that ball, guys. playing croquet. One of the balls looks like the planet Earth. Yeah, be careful with that ball guys Pretty heavy metaphor. You ever played croquet at him. Oh, yeah, I love playing croquet. That's fun It's a fun game. You let her do croquet at your private high school, didn't you? Yeah, it was I want well This is a bit of embarrassing to admit, but I was on the JV squad my senior year. Oh Yeah, gotta keep those grades up buddy. No. Gotta play varsity. You really do. That's why I didn't get into Yale.

I was recruited for Croquet and then I didn't make varsity. Full ride Croquet scholarship to Yale. So many of those. Yeah. Interesting bit of business here in this scene is that Q. Delancey's behavior and the mortal punishment that he was made to endure actually inspired comic Q to reject the trappings of an omnipotent life. I just rewatch season two episode 18 of Star Trek Voyager. And there was a lot made early in the episode about how the cue that was imprisoned on the comet was in there for 300 years.

But he was also inspired to do everything he did by the punishments that were visited on the cue that was played by John Delanci, which would have only happened, you know, six or seven years before the events of this episode, and I just wondered why that inconsistency. So I just want to let everyone know that I found the William Redfield booth in the merchandise room, and now I have someone to talk to. Thank you very much. The disease is immortality Adam. Yeah. Yeah. And Jane Ways the cure. BLT makes with the giant metal hypodermic needle.

They're not going to throw that proper way. You don't just throw something like this away. I thought this was a pretty compelling moment. In an episode that I felt like was really straining under its own weight at this point, that speech about immortality is the disease, felt really good and the moment where they returned to the boardroom and Tupac rests his case, very well executed from a compelling television making standpoint.

But that's the night that Janeway goes back to her quarters and is wrestling with the decision she has to make and rolls over in bed and there's Q Q is always popping up in people's beds. Yeah, he's always doing this. This is his main thing It sucks. It's one of the shittiest things about him. Do you think it was Q who was giving Dan Acroids character in Ghostbusters the ghostly blowjob? Hi, I know that the Star Trek universe and the Ghostbusters universe are not technically the same universe, but I was wondering just based on your character's interest in showing up surprisingly in people's beds. Do you think that there's a chance that Q was the one doming off the dead android character in the first Ghostbusters movie?

I feel like I'm at the wrong convention! You see, I'm wearing this leather duster and I have all this loaf on my face. And yet I'm the only person that looks like me here. Janeway is never more angry than she is in the scene where Q has entered her bedroom space. Yeah, not an enticing pitch either. No, Janeway knows what she's gonna do and she still decides to sleep on it. Yeah, it's get head from Q, right? Yeah, yeah.

I'll take a shower in the morning, she says. That replicator soup isn't gonna eat itself and look, I've got a shower in the morning, she says. That replicated soup isn't gonna eat itself. And look, I've got all these rations. The next morning, Janeway rules against immortality and for asylum. Yeah. And just like that, Comic-Q is mortal, like it's instantaneous.

Delanty-Q keeps up his end in the bargain. Whatever the opposite is, a freshening someone up. That's what Delanty Q does to comic Q here. That coffee went cold. Yeah, dropped a couple of ice cubes in that coffee and he can feel it right away. He's really excited. Janeway is like, now look, just because you're a model, I don't want you to go into Nielix's restaurant just yet.

I want you to try living. Just a while. I do things that people actually enjoy. Try some dreams maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe. Maybe try food from the replicator before you make any impulse decisions. I thought it was interesting that she's kind of making the case for life is worth living.

Like she is a really hard life. The thing that has happened to her and has happened to all of the people to whom she is responsible, for whom she is responsible, is brutal. It's not something I would wish on anyone. And Janeway has maintained a positive outlook through all of that.

And this was like low key my favorite moment of the episode. I wish there were more of this moment though, because while I find her arguments, you know, sincere and good, this was the moment where the negotiators on the rooftop, like talking to the person on the ledge, talking them off the ledge. And there wasn't enough ledge here to make it feel like the moment was climactic. I agree. I think it's a more interesting, like, character moment for Janeway in the series

than it is, like, plot moment in the episode. Yeah, yeah. But it's an interesting pitch. And the next scene is her hanging out with Chico Te, like, talking through, like, hey, like, what gig could we give this guy? Because we've, like, set him up with, he's got a room. He's got, we're going to have to give him a job, he's going to have to have something to do. I mean, they can't make him work with Nelix, right? That would just be, that'd be pushing him off the roof. Yeah. Well, Nelix would get super jealous because he would think he was trying to kick it to

cast like, hey, you're a being of nipidant mental energy. I used to be, maybe we could get together. The pattern here doesn't even get to the third and the rule of three is before the doc interrupts their pretty fun conversation about where the sky could end up working because doc holidays like look comic cues flat lining down here. Yeah. You better come say goodbye and so they do Yeah Quinn who he as he has now known has consumed some hemlock some No gatch hemlock a very so critic and to the great philosopher of the Q continuum

whatever Whatever writers room There's a very right early choice and a very like producerly choice also, because I feel like one of the fun things about this show could have been all of the weirdos that they pick up and add to the cast along the way. Boy, you said it, yeah. Like, Neil looks sort of felt like he was setting the stage

for that, and there have been several times now. Like, fucking Gremah Wormtong is locked in a room somewhere on this ship right now. I was just going to say how much more fun of a show it would be if Brad Duriff and he were neighbors, you know. And that just kind weirder freak on the ship. Yeah, be great. He got that hemlock from none other than Delancey Q. Yeah, boys, and that a surprise of all people. This guy was the most against the suicide. I imagine the continuum won't be very happy with you, Q.

I certainly hope not. It turns out the inspiration shoe is on the other foot because while Comic-Q mentioned earlier how inspired he was by Q Delancey enduring the punishment that he did, turns out Q Delancey was also very inspired by Comic-Q. Yeah. Q was happy to do this. The continuum does need to have its unknowns and Comic-Q sailed into them just now. The tree of continuum must be fertilized with the blood of Q from time to time, right? Yeah.

The quote that has kind of been appropriated by a lot of different people on the... It's about time we appropriated that quote for our show. Indeed, Adam. Did you like this episode of Star Trek Voyager? This episode had all the makings of an episode I would like. And yet I don't think I did. You ever like make a recipe from a chef that you really admire and you get all the good stuff to make it. And when you finally put all the ingredients together, it's just like fine.

But you look at all the money you spent and all the top shelf ingredients, the good stuff. You went to the good market for all this stuff. You made it. You got the red boat fish sauce. You didn't just get the regular ass fish sauce. It feels like it didn't rise to the level of its own ingredients. It's all here. It's all here, but the end result. And that was the feeling that I had by the end. That's a really good analogy, and I feel very similarly about it.

It's an episode that has so many things that I like, and so many things that I wish worked better together It falls flat and I don't get why yeah I don't either and I mean if Q ever comes back and that's the thread at the end of the episode He's gonna Yeah, I'm hoping and expecting it would be a better Q episode than this Yeah, like it really feels like an episode that was like trying to say a thing. This is peak 90s right to life, topical, Star Trek here, with all of the trappings. And maybe it's just our 2020 sensibility that a story like this can't impress.

I don't know. I don't know what it is. Maybe this was just a story for its time. Yeah, did this hit harder in the like Terry Shivo era? It had to have. That was such a weird thing that like has really like gone out of the national conversation. Like the Jack Cavorki and Terry Shivo conversation continuum. No one's talking about Shivo's tubes anymore. banish to an asteroid somewhere.

Yeah. Talk about other shit for whatever reason. Yeah. Well, you want to talk about something a lot funner than Terry Shifo. The right to a priority one's life never in question on the greatest generation. Let's see what's in the P1 in bucks.

That's a kind of dignity that we can grant any friend of disorder as long as they... as long as they get a P1. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Need a supplement on that? supplement on that? supplement supplement Yeah it's extra.

The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship. Adam our first priority on message here is from Victoria and it's to Mr. Harrison and Pranika and also Zach, a guy who is just a little bit embarrassed to be in a relationship with me. Ah, I'm sure by me that means Victoria. Uh-huh. goes like this. Please help, I've conceived of a brilliant bad bit moment that my partner doesn't believe is funny when I do. Truly the definition of a bad bit moment. Could one or both of you please perform your best

John F. Kennedy as a Vulcan. Maybe doing a mind-meled. I got this one, Ben. Okay, you want to take the bad bit? We will go to the moon! Not because it is easy, but because it is HUD. Wow. You picked the wrong episode for an impression, Victoria. That was not a logical response to that prompt. So the message ends. Thank you for that and thank you for enjoying. Voyager for our collective entertainment.

Thank you, Victoria. Yeah, thanks, Victoria. Then our second priority one message is from Liz and Becca and it is to Aaron. That message goes like this, Happy Birthday to our favorite person! Wow! The card is the best captain and Spock is the best commander and this is the greatest Star Trek themed birthday gift. We love you! Hey, Happy Birthday Aaron!

Pretty emphatic opinions there. Hey, happy birthday, Aaron. Pretty emphatic opinions there. Top person in Liz and Becca's estimation, so that's great. Yeah. Given their favorite captain and their favorite commander, Aaron's got pretty big bridge crew and shoes to fill. Give it to him. And if you're talking about giant Spock,

those shoes are even bigger. That's a really big shoe. Yeah. I get a load of that shoe. Shoes thick. Mini Spock shoe. Spock shoe regular size. Whoa!

Ha ha! Ha ha! And that was the Rare P1 that nailed to the date. What? First day is September 27th. This episode comes out on September 27th. We need a crazy fanfare for this. This never happens. Like when the team wins the Super Bowl, there is, there's a whole thing that happens. Yeah.

Liz and Becca did it. They did it. They nailed it. If you'd like to, if you'd like to get a date, nailed down, yeah, you're gonna want to get out ahead of it like Liz and Becca must have. Wow, I scrolled and scrolled and it's looking pretty packed on the P1 boards. Yeah, we keep it packed. We stay packing, but we keep it tight. I think you can do it. If you pick pick a date in 2022 you could probably do it so head to maximumfund.org slash jumbo tron Hey, Ben what's that Adam? Did you find yourself a drunk What's that Adam? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? Drunk Shimoda!

I feel like Nielix is... His performance made me laugh the most in this episode. Just the like, like this is probably about me. The narcissism of Nielix being a running gag got me this time. And his assumption that somebody showing up in the mess hall that wasn't him being for sure the end of his employment on Voyager. Knee got you like.

Knee got me like. Let's see. How about you Adam? I feel like Star Trek does not learn its lesson with characters like this because when we sent Kira and O'Brien back in time to the 60s as flower children, the flower child vibe just clangs every time we see it on the show. And when Mari Ginsburg shows up, Mari Ginsburg, the character played by the actor named Mari Ginsburg, it's not Mari Ginsburg's fault that this is a clang.

He's a very funny person for trying a very funny character, but one of these things is not like the other. This is like a Benjamin R. Harrison sitting down next to a Jonathan Freaks in first class. Their incompatibility is laid bare due to their proximity. And you get a Mario Ginsburne next to an Isaac Newton, next to a commander-writer. That's my Shimoda. I would have liked more from him just,

we know what it's like when I'm in talking to Joseph on a starship. Yeah. That is what it should have been like for Mari Ginsburne, you know? Yeah, because the comedy that the show thinks this scene has, they give to Janeway in her explanation to these characters about where they are and why before she gives up. But I don't think that's as funny as Marie Ginsburg possibly losing his mind in this

moment. Yeah. And having to be restrained. Maybe it's less the specific character of Mary Ginsburg and more the concept of a Mary Ginsburg that is my drunk Shimoda. So if you're keeping track, Mary Ginsburg and in parentheses, the concept is my drunk Shimoda this episode. Yeah.

This episode written by Sean Pillar, the son of Michael Pillar. Yeah. And I wonder if some more editing didn't happen due to a nepotism effect. Oh boy. Good question. I don't know. This is his first writing credit. He got a credit on the journey's end episode of TNG. He was 23 years old. He went in and pitched this story himself. And his dad wasn't in the room. His dad dad said go do this thing if you care about it so much yeah Michael pillar weighted outside like a gentleman. I mean I like that but also like that's not the full effect of nepotism you know the other the other thing is like all of the other people that are like hey hey, this is a shitty idea. Maybe we don't do it is what they're thinking, but what they say is nothing. Yeah.

Guess what? Waiting outside of the conference room does not, does not defang the specter of nepotism. Yeah. So I don't know. I'm not, I'm not dragging Sean Pillar. You know, if I ever got to write a full hour episode of a television show, I'm sure I would do worse. I'm just speculating on why there are so many script issues in a script that is full

of really good ideas. And like Sean Piller, still a very successful executive producer in Hollywood. Yeah, he's doing great. And he's a hunk. I looked up a picture of him. Good looking guy. Yeah, so he's doing great. And he's a hunk. I looked up a picture of him. Good looking guy. Yeah, so he's doing all right. He's fine.

Look at how good looking he is. What the hell? Seems a little unfair. God, and then you look at us. Just a couple of fucking piles of garbage. Fuck. I wish I'd been born a pillar. Adam let's go over to the game of buttholes, the will of the caretaker. Our next episode is season 2 episode 19, Life Signs. The doctor falls in love with a Vadeen woman stricken by the deadly phage. Oh, geez.

So you know the ducks in it for the personality, right? Yeah. Because we know what the phage does. And the phage is not pretty. It's not pretty, Adam. And also not pretty is our condition here on the game board. We are stuck in that rift between that banger and that corks bar. We can't hit that corks bar.

We could hit the his eyes on coverage square on the square 21. We could hit the banger again, but right now we're on square 19. You're required to learn as you play roll. I'm gonna roll this bone. Angers crossed. Shula! Did I win? Arvin?

I hit a one, and wow. We have stayed on the second row of the game of bad holes. We've been here for months, I think. It's been brutal, it's been a real drag. I think it's great. I think the episodes have never been better. Friends of the soda, I'm sure are pissed off at us at this point. We should throw this thing in reverse. Let's start rolling to go the other way and see if that changes our luck. Oh yeah.

We like, we've got a row with a quirk's bar and a cocoa no no on it and we didn't hit either of them this playthrough. We got to throw these dice off the table like a bad crap roller. Yeah. Get them out of here. Indeed. Well, that'll be a regular old episode next time when we discuss life signs and I'm looking forward to it. I like a regular app.

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