The Greatest Generation - If You Can’t Handle Me at my Worst, You Don’t Deserve Me at my Durst (VOY S1E13)

Episode Date: May 10, 2021

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What we have done as of this recording is make an episode of the greatest generation for every day of the year. This is our 365th mainline greatest generation episode. So finally, the people that would like to start their year with season one episode of TMG and listen to a new episode of the greatest generation every day until January 31st. They can finally do it without looping back. Would you look at that? You got an episode for every day of the year.

Come get an eagle on these episodes! Oh, you'll Housers shown up to celebrate this California gold that we've made. Yeah, how many of these episodes qualify as a California product, I wonder? Oh, I don't know. Do you want to throw out some dates and I'll tell you what episode of the show you would listen to? Like, what's your favorite holiday? And I'll tell you what episode of the Greatest would listen to? Like, what's your favorite holiday? And I'll tell you what episode of the greatest generation you get to listen to for that. All right, my birthday is

May the 6th. So what's the May the 6th episode of you were to listen to an episode a day for an entire year? And a May the 6th is the 127th day of the year. And that, of course, would be the day on which you would listen to legit Fangoria season six episode two of next generation. When the entrepreneur finds another broken down scout ship, Barclay's clever plan to get over to the ship doesn't go unpunished. I like that my birthday is aligned with a TNG episode. That's fun. That's nice.

Where would your birthday line up? Let's see. So my birthday is October 29th, which is... That's deep and deep space 9 territory I bet, huh? It is, yeah. That's the 303rd day of the year. So, pretty high up there, I guess. So that would line up with DS9, season six, episode three. The episode is an entire premise evening. I like our titles.

Yeah. When Jake tries to max fisher his way into another extracurricular activity on the station, the other members of the Resistance Club take great umbrage. Boy, that's just a lot of greatest gin, bingo buzzwords. Really? Yeah. At a certain point, our episode descriptions will be totally impenetrable. If somebody has never heard the show and it's just trying to like read a description of

a recent episode to see if they'd like to give it a try, it's going to be like, I don't know what the hell. This is like a different language. Hey, that's kind of a fun game. If the friends of DeSoto out there have a particularly notable birthday episode, hit the greatest trek Twitter feed with that and maybe we'll share some of the ones that are the most interesting. Yeah, that's a great idea. Any other dates you want to throw out? What's the Pearl Harbor Day episode? Oh, that a December 7th. December 7 7, 1941.

Let's see. Well, it will surprise no one to learn that that is DS9 season seven episode 16, tripled in Tata. Semmary is when Bashir is headed to a conference on Romulus, the danger to him is coming from inside the Federation. About that.

Remember that episode? That episode lines up nicely with the tone of the day. I think so. I think so. I think the remembrance days that you see pre-populated and some of your internet calendars or on your phone or whatever. Oh yeah.

You wanna have your episode of Greatest Gen matchup with the feeling. I think people will be delighted to discover just how much of that we did intentionally ahead of time, you know. Yeah. We knew we were working toward this Marin eventually. And here it sits. Well, then every day feels like my birthday

when we record the greatest generation. Maybe never more so than during a Max Von drive. Here we are in the second week and we have another great episode to bring to the friends of DeSoto. Yeah, we're recording this before the drive. So we can only presume that some folks have stepped up and supported the show and we really, really appreciate it We promise these pledge breaks will just will be will be over after this week Unless people don't I feel like if we get no new and upgrading supporters this year

We'll just keep the drive going as long as we need to Our listeners and subscribers are strapped to the bed in our surgical ward and we've locked in wearing each other's faces as an encouragement for them to support the show. Yeah, we've been experimenting with deep fakes over here, but doing them in real life. Let's get into this extremely gross episode, Ben. It's absolutely the grossest episode of Star Trek Voyager we've seen yet. It's season one episode 13's faces. Revert course. Unless you've got something a little bigger in your torpedo tubes. I'm not turning around.

And it begins with maybe the shortest cold open we've ever received. This is a sub one minute cold open. We've got what has got to be a BLT in the dark shadows. We can tell because of the the loaf, but she's looking a little different in there. Yeah. The loaf is a little plused up. Yeah. She's inside what is being called a genotron machine, a machine I'm only familiar with from the dark web. Yeah, that does sound like something that a hen tie would be written about. You know what, you want to pay in cash for the genotron. Say that much. You do not want your credit card information out there for that kind of purchase. No receipts for the genotron.

That's what my recommendation is. I don't know much about Howard Stern, but I think I've heard that he sometimes deploys one of those on his show. Oh, yeah, I remember that from the private parts movie. Yeah, I just remember Terry Gross asking him about it and it being really uncomfortable. I don't know about your listeners, but certainly mine, which seemed to be pretty jacked up about it. Somehow doesn't work. She's one of the greats, you know, She's just willing to go anywhere. Yeah, well, and that's the thing is he is too. And it was like really game-recognized game

until she was like, but what about the genitron? You can't just bring up the genitron and expect a genitron not to be produced during that conversation. When we come back from theme, we get a little captain's log and they've been doing a system survey. It seems like we're just taking our sweet time getting back to the a-quad, we're stopping to,

hey, this is the Avery system. Get a load of this. They've got different kind of labels that you can put into a home desk jet. They always seem so useful when you buy them until you realize that you use up half of your labels because they're put in the printer upside down from how they should be. And then you only print out one of them, and then later on you put in a label with half of the labels in, and then it ends up printing on the section of the page

without any stickers on it, and it smudges everything all the hell. Wow, for a guy that breathed as heavily as you did when I introduced this premise, you really seem to have an axe to grind with the Avery system. I started getting into that print your own postage thing in the pandemic, and I got one of those packs of the labels where it's just two labels per page.

Right. And I keep fucking it up. And every single time I always need to run a sheet of paper that I've written on, like this end of the paper up. This, you put like an arrow to show which end went through first. I'm running sacrificial paper through the printer every time I do it and I'm still getting it wrong. You know what's a lot more carbon low carbon than that is a fucking roll of stamps. Yeah I know that's what I should be doing I should just be

over stamping my packages instead of fucking around with these things. Yeah. Anyway this is an episode of Star Trek that has not watched any other episodes to Star Trek because they they done did it Ben. They stuck three crew people out on a mission and then left them. Yeah. And expected to come back like everything was gonna be okay. Yeah, it's Lieutenant Paris and Durst. Lieutenant Durst. I know why you want any.

Polarious. I know why you want any. Polarious. and BLT and and so We already know that something went wrong on that mission based on the cold open But Janeway is about to find out but first we have a little hang in Nielix's galley where he is serving Tovac some Plomek soup.

This is an unnecessary indulgence. It looks great. And the thing about Star Trek is you always get the clear glassware, right? Yeah. Like, can you remember ever, ever seeing a bowl of soup that you couldn't actually see? Maybe on Romulus. Yeah, maybe so. They don't want to see that soup.

Not appetizing. The ramele in soup looks like cum. So it's best to use an opaque bowl. Yeah. Eating in front of the chef is hard. And Tuvac is made to do this in front of a very interested Nelix. Yeah, this is fucked up.

Like Nelix is one of those people that gives a gift more for himself than for the recipient. And then also, like, rubs his nipples and, and like, kinks out on the recipient opening the gift. Yeah. Tuvak, a stoic Vulcan, as Vulcans are, cannot suppress his feelings about this soup. Well, it is rather a cunt. This soup does not work on Tuvak.

Tuvak is not taken back to Vulcan on a wave of nostalgia. Luckily, Tuvak gets saved by the bridge here. He gets called away mid-meal, which in any other circumstance has got to be a real kicked at the junk But he's more than happy to get out of there and then Neelix fucking hot seats him Yeah slides right right it right behind the table and takes that soup to the dome Yeah, he hot seats and he hot soups. He doesn't even like it does he? I mean, what can we infer from his

behavior here is His expression is not one of a man who thinks the thing he just consumed is delicious. I think there is a real lesson to be learned from this scene, and I'm being completely sincere when I say this. Taste your food as you cook it, and before you serve it to someone you care about it. But also, if they want it away, that is not the way you want it, make it the way they want it. This is the Burger King promise. Right. We talk about it all the time.

We are both blessed with wives that want the other part of the chicken from the part of the chicken that we want. I'm not constantly forcing my wife to eat shit that she doesn't want to eat because that's not a nice thing to do. Maybe the least considerate part of our lives is the show itself, which we make for us and no one else. Yeah. It's an accident of history that people like it. So Tuvac arrives on the bridge where he learns that they can't get a hold of this away team. And Tuvac is like, oh, he learns that they can't get a hold of this away team.

And Tuvac is like, oh, so this is an episode of Star Trek. And Kim, by word and demonstration using a visual aid, tells them that the caverns have changed positions. Harry Kim is like, take a look at this copy of highlights for kids that I have here. What is different about these two pictures? Too bad, because like, ooh, I love this. Does this particular issue have Goofus and Gallant, Mr. Kim? I have never identified with a fictional character more than Gallant.

They suppose a series of tremors might have moved the caves around, but when you look at the two things side by side, it's clearly like a cave has been mirrored and superimposed facing the other way. Either that or a tank, Kingsley's rotating cave passage. That tanks look around, Cuffee. This is a great moment of, of, and so Kim straddling the genitron. And Captain Janeway giving it a swift kick,

because the idea of going down there is hatched. And, and so Kim is like, just apropos of nothing. You ever have a friend that does this? I'm probably this friend to you. Just like, they've clearly thought about their side of the conversation a long, long time before they start speaking.

And to them, what they're saying makes perfect sense. But to everyone else, they're like, what the fuck are you talking about, Ensign Kim? And Captain Jane Ways, what the fuck are you talking about, Ensen Kim? And Captain Janeways, what the fuck are you talking about face here? Is scorching. Yeah, I was thinking in this scene about how glad I was that they didn't go for another round with two Valk not

knowing the idiom. Right. Because I don't need that anymore. Because Kim backs up and explains what the breadcrumbs thing meant. I like how quickly Janeway has already gotten it. Like, okay. Yeah.

Yeah. Like that one little clarification is all she needed. Right. But Kim keeps talking and talking in one long, unbroken sentence. I really like the way that they're writing him, though. Like, he is that the new guy that is really smart and super capable, but just like, he hasn't gotten to know these people as much as he will, and like, the shorthands just haven't developed yet. There is no Venetian canal for him to jump into after this moment,

which is his move after doing something embarrassing. They've got a real problem here and what Chicoetay is suggesting is we beam down there with Ensen Kim's breadcrumbs idea and get a sense of what happened to the away team and see if we can find them. We cut from here back to where BLT is and she is restrained in a biobad type situation. Looks pretty uncomfortable because all of the things are metal, both the bed and the restraints. It's a bed that is very much built in the tradition of robots that want to steal your medicine. If you're a if you're a Vidyan and you already are feeling this this kind of traumatized by by your circumstances, I don't know would it hurt to surround yourself with some soft goods? Maybe maybe some padding for those

bunks? Yeah, the Vidyan production design should be more plush. I think so. I think you're looking for comfort wherever you can find it if you're a Vidyan and And BLT has not found it in this scene even though Salon her Captor is quick to apologize for these circumstances. He introduces himself as the chief surgeon of the Vidyan Siddality which is pretty major pretty classy captain BLT's like oh Really Pretty major, pretty classy kept her. BLT's like, ooh, really? That's amazing. Now what's this contraption over here? You can't possibly believe I'm going to cooperate with you.

BLT's got to be happy that she's still got her lungs at this point, like big, deep, cleansing breaths here. Got to feel good in the moment. But it doesn't take long to realize that she is 100% that Klingon. And what is so much fun about Rucks' on Dawson's performance here is how much she sounds like other lady Klingons we've known throughout the years. She definitely sounds like she could kick it to Lursa and Batur in an easy way. She's not quite there.

It's a little bit more subdued than Lursa and Batur in this scene. And I sort of wondered if she was in a lot of pain or, or like, I think that she's conveying that she's more cling on. Yeah. But I wondered if there was another element to it that I didn't quite understand because I was reading that when Roxanne Dawson got this script, She was like super duper nervous about doing this because it's like a major acting challenge to basically split your character in half and play both sides of it, you know? The easy comparison here is a Jonathan Freik's

playing Thomas and Will Riker in that episode. But I wonder if in a first season of Star Trek you can't just call up Jonathan Freik's. No way. As much as we know about Jonathan Freik's, what do we know about him? One of the greats, so approachable, someone that you could just sit right down next to

and start a conversation with. Very old-backed person. You could talk to him for hours. Right. If you wanna do. Maybe back in the mid 90s, you can't pick up the phone and call him for advice about an episode like this, maybe. So she is clinging it up and what this guy, Sulean, explains to her is that he's basically beamed the cling on out of her.

Whenever you have a medical question and the doctor answers with a mirror. I think that's a bad sign. Yeah, not a not ideal. It's the worst makeover reveal they like wheel her around. He follows the mirror up with a machine that he like slides over and it looks like the business end of like a CNC routing table. Fucking terrifying. Her loaf fits together perfectly, though, thanks to that thing. Thank you.

The tolerance is really, really fine. Yeah. Very precise. I like it. The explanation here is that the Videans are always on the lookout for a species that might be immune to the fage. And if they could findage, and if they could

find one, then maybe they could use whatever provides that immunity to develop some kind of counter-serum or something. They basically need a warriors genome, and he thinks that Belonatoras might have it, but he wanted to like, rarify out the warrior part. Despite all the rage, BOT's been given the face. So what happened to Paris and Durst? We find out in the next scene where they're purp walked along with a bunch of other Nielix types into the bunk bed area of what seems at this point

in the episode to be a prison, but is revealed later to be kind of a mine situation. Like there's caves that these people are forced to work in. Yeah, yeah, it's a labor camp, but underground kind of a vibe. Out in the caves, there's no stockade, there's no electronic frontier. If they try to go to the surface, they's no stockade. There's no electronic frontier. If they try to go to the surface, they'll die.

Et cetera, et cetera. Ders doesn't keep his balls in the same place as everyone else. So, yeah, they meet this guy that's a Tlaxian. He's the last Tlaxian standing out of a 23 crew member crew and he explains like yeah that you guys are part of the work detail the Videans are very weak because of their immunocompromising situation and so what we do is do the mining and if you start to start to succumb to the You know taxing physical situation you're in they will they will come harvest your organs. So best stay healthy

Also these bunks look incredibly uncomfortable without any padding on them like just I don't know I don't know how your body doesn't break down after a couple nights Sleeping on these things. I guess it's a lighting choice because there's like sound foam panels on the bottom bunks, but the top bunks don't have that. And I think it's just so that the lighting can like go down through the grates, but man, that would be uncomfortable. I mean, I guess Paris is Lieutenant gets top bunk, right?

Durst is also a lieutenant. How do they decide you get to the top? I don't know. Paris definitely claims to be the officer in charge at some point in the episode. Very true. I don't know what he based that on, but. I think Durst knows the score being

in the A story of an episode right now. Oh, we've got a a way out of this place. Well, and also, like, Paris was like, listen, Durst, if you want to come hang out with us in the pool bar in Marseille, you've got to come through me. And if you want to stay on my good side, then I'm in charge for this mission. This, this tolaxian laughs at Paris and Durst's plans

to escape. And he breaks the bad news to Paris about where BLT might be. If she's not there, she's definitely having a organs processed. And at this point in the episode, Ben, I was like, if this episode is about whether or not to leave her behind, I wanted that extruded for the longest possible amount of time in this episode,

that tension. Oh yeah. But that is very specifically not where this episode chooses to go. It goes in an interesting place on its own right, but that was the suggestion to me by this bit of dialogue. We've had so many episodes where it's like one or two crew people missing. And no one's been pushed to that decision. Yeah, it's almost like comical how many times it's happened and it's never like, oh, while we have to like start grieving

Harry Kim or start to prepare yourselves for the idea that Chicocha is never coming back like that never comes up It's so weird. They really do play in that space of being far from home and separated from your group. In that deep felt, like, human beings have that tension in them. Like if you're both far away from home and separated from the safety of the herd, like there's something very scary about it and they keep ringing that bell in this first season. I understand it from a Janeway standpoint because she needs her crew to think

that she's like a trillion percent behind each and every one of them and it's demonstrating that over and over again. But I do kind of feel like they have written too many episodes about that particular aspect of their plate. Her reluctance to use Bois at any point on these missions has put people in danger. Yeah, you got to make it rain boys. Back in the cave, the bread crumbs plan is in motion. It's too about Kim and Jacote, skulking around there. And it doesn't take too long before they recognize all of the signs of the videos. Look hard, Ronny!

They find a tricorder that looks like it's been through a trash compactor, and Tuvac detect, five humanoid life forms have touched this thing. And so they know that they know that there were at least two other kinds of people around. The, wait until you see what the black light illuminates on this one. Yeah, yikes.

Yeah, I mean, you see how beat up this thing is, you're not gonna believe what did that to it. It's actually a pretty sick order of operations thing. It looks like a video and tried to keyster this track order and then destroyed the evidence when they couldn't make a fit. Yeah, so I mean, the dun dun dun of this moment is that the away team wasn't alone

when they were last here. And it's pretty scary, scary moment because we feared the Videans at this point. Yeah, they're powerful. And Captain Janeway let them off the hook. They are who we thought they were. Now I mean, I think that they're such an interesting and tangonist because they're not,

like, they're motivated by desperation. And it's a desperation that you can really understand. It's like, listen, we're not gonna be like, wantonly evil, but we're not gonna compromise on trying to solve this disease problem that we have, is basically the video and outlook. And... That is so generous by you.

Because I was just thinking like how, it's still not okay, Ben. No, it's a desperation. No, it's a desperation. Does that make this forgivable? I don't think it's forgivable at all, but I also think anybody that has been sick and wanted to find a cure or whatever can probably identify with this. Right.

And that's like what also is so upsetting about them because like the next scene is BLT on the slab in excruciating pain and Sulan is like walking around like it's kind of amazing that you're just dealing with all this pain. It must be so painful. To spat all her pain, BLT is fighting the face. This is the scene that creeped me out about salon, because I definitely got the orderly from Terminator 2 vibe from him. Oh wow.

Damn. And I don't know what it was about the actor's performance here, but it's creepy as hell. It is creepy as hell. And it's not just makeup, and I think that's kind of, but it's creepy as hell. It is creepy as hell. And it's not just makeup, and I think that's great. That's a high compliment because this actor is not letting the makeup do the work. Their creepiness is shining through. And this is probably the scene where

they're in the most overt conflict. And I think that the pain is bringing that out of her. She is furious with him. The way he's talking about her is. And I think that the pain is bringing that out of her, she is furious with him. Like the way he's talking about her is pretty pervy as this kind of like prize for his collection almost. Yeah, yeah, there is that vibe too. The possessiveness really creeps out the whole band.

I will say that if there are videons that seem to be cruel for the sake of cruelty, it's the guards in this jail. Yeah. And we meet one of them next as he brings a woman in a starfleet uniform with her hair kind of in front of her face. So you can't get a good look at her at first into the the rack next to Tom Paris's.

And he turns over and we just see her kind of in shadow in the background. But I think we recognize this person. I thought a long, long time about why we could or should, or maybe shouldn't call this person human BLT Because all I can think about when I say human BLT is some mayonnaise-based orgy But I couldn't think up a better name. So human BLT she is I had H BLT and K BLT in my notes to distinguish Yeah, Klingon BLT's just means double meat, right?

And KBLT means it's BLT with a lot of up tempo pop hits. Right, right. The most popular top 40 station on Kronos is KBLT. It is KBLT. Oh, K on radio. I am your morning drive DJ. Curl. I don't remember your requests, but keep sending them in.

It's more bad less. Let's talk. Here on KBLT. Traffic on the Force! If I can remember what to do at that time! Why do people pay me to do jobs? I do not understand. I am unfit for the labor force in my current condition. I am going to check myself into the hospital.

In the meantime, the street team is it. I, gah, giving out free bumper stickers to anyone who knows the phrase that pays. I can't remember what it is, or I would remind you right now. I can't remember what it is or I would remind you right now. Do the two BLTs at this point know their counterparts exist? I don't think they do. I don't think so either.

And that's such an interesting tension to have in the episode like the game that only the viewer knows, but the characters don't. Yeah, I really like it and I like that it doesn't feel like the Malibu Bacard episode or like the Thomas record episode like there's in Star Trek specifically and television of this era generally the evil twin that is going to be played by the same actor has thing I feel like was done a zillion times and this feels like a really different run at that. Yeah.

And this, and HBLT is not quite what I expected. Like she wakes Paris up and he is like shocked to see her and shock is like, what happened to your face? Paris unfortunately does that thing where, you know where someone shares a trauma with you, and then Paris goes right into exchanging trauma currency as a way to find something in common with them. Hey, Paris, maybe don't compare a bad haircut to loaf. In this moment. I cried myself to sleep every night for months. I wore a cap to cover the haircuts my father used to make me get.

Am I making any sense here? Because HBLT is like my face feels so weird and she does that thing like when you get your braces off, she's like licking the front of her teeth. She keeps running her tongue over her forehead. Yeah, I too had head braces. You know what that's like? Yeah.

She is the human version of Belonatoras with the rough cling on edges sanded off. And she's talking about what it was like growing up in this idea that Klingon, part of her, made her kind of a problem for people around her and that only got worse when her human father abandoned her and her mother and it's a very painful reminiscence. And maybe made most painful by Tom Perez going like, well, you got what you wanted. Like, come on Tom, what the fuck? On this season of this old house, a special challenge. As we rehabilitate a home on Kronosch, one of the roughest parts of town on Kronosch. We've taken this old Victorian right on down to the studs.

Some of the final sighting melted on. In this episode we're going to show you how to reinstate the right texture on the forehead of a home. Back with the away team, they realized they've got some videos here. Rock hard, buddy! They show up and they're pretty quick to beam away, which I thought was a great bit of business here. Like they know the danger these guys present. They know if they get shot with one of these beams, they're gonna lose something important. So Kim sees this group and then they emergency beam out.

And they make it back to the ship with all their lungs intact. What they had found was like a rock wall that they suspected was a force field, like the one that they found in the Nielix Lost as lungs episode. There's coffee in that force field. And they like shoot it and see if they can knock it down

and have no luck. And so when they're back on the ship, they're like, well, it seems like the Videans have more than one thing in common with the Borgs. They've changed up their shield system. They've also selected a Videan queen, who will meet later. She comes down from the ceiling. There's just like organs connected to her

from all over the room. She's like an awful wind chime. Oh God. I think we can all imagine what that sounds like. Now that the Videans know we're here, we have to be prepared for the possibility that they'll call in reinforcements. You don't get the sense at any point in this episode that Captain Janeway regrets her decision to let those two Videan assholes go. And I wish we got a whiff of that at any point. Yeah.

But I guess these are just different Videans, right? Like it's not like by letting the originals go, it made this moment possible. Yeah, I guess word of the Voyager crew must, I mean, that news must be traveling across species at this point, so. But no one connects those dots in this episode, in a way. Yeah, we come back to Torres on her bio bed and she is starting to overpower the shackles that are restraining her wrists like she is.

She's starting to feel better after her bout with with the phage and she is strong enough now that she is actually able to like manipulate the metal in these in these shackles and Suleyann is like holy shit you're you're back to square one you're you're healthy again and she's trying to kind of apply him with trying to kill him with kindness, not easy for a Klingon. Despite having phased BOTs feeling sexy today. She makes this pass at Sulan, which he turns down because the crank is the second thing that goes when you've got the phase. But this is a scene that disgusted me. I think I found something that triggers me on Star Trek in a visceral

gross kind of way, which is gross hands and fingers. Yeah. Because when Sulon withdraws his hand from her, they look like dried chili peppers. Hehehe. Yeah, yeah. They have the smoky, the sweet, the spicy. He wants her to wait, wait for me. Yeah, you saying not, I'm not saying never, just not now. Just not now. I feel gross, you know, it's not about you,

it's about me. I wanna feel sexy for this. I think if I just go take a good shower, I may be ready in a little bit. Can you just hold that thought, and he holds like a dried chili pepper to his lips, and then, and then, does one of these. The viewers at home can see what I just did.

Very spicy. He assures her that the Videans once looked good. I would love to see OG Videans. I want to know what they looked like. That never works. You can't just say that. Yeah. Yeah.

You know, if you can't love me when I'm looking like this, you don't deserve me at my... this. If you can't handle me at my worst, you don't deserve me at my thirst. Yes. You you can't handle me at my worst, you don't deserve me at my thirst. Yes. You did it. You did it.

Coffee, black. Make it yourself. I'm trying to help you see this as an opportunity to grow. Make it yourself. The Starfleets are having a conversation in their jail cell when two guards come in and they collect thirst. They say, it's time for you to make contact with your ship and Paris is wise.

He does not buy that as the reason for them taking dirt away. And he says, first contact with your ship doesn't mean first contact with your ship. First contact with your ship means death. Yeah. Yeah.

They're gonna take him to organ processing and Paris really puts up a puts on a show. He's like, no, you've like take me. I'm the I'm the senior man. Don't take him. And this really freaks out at HBLT. She is like curled up in a ball on her bed. And they threaten Paris with a gun and take Durst away.

And she cannot explain to Paris like why she's so freaked out. This scene reminded me of data when he had the emotion chip switched on and he couldn't turn it off. Like this is an actor you're used to presenting in a kind of way that has now been weakened by her experience. In such a way that like she's kind of a liability uh to Paris and and Durst. I think it's so interesting that the human part of

Torres is the part that is having a harder time with this. Yeah. Back on Voyager, it's a real what do we do now? Yeah. Kind of moment. Because they don't want to be in the room with a Videan for a second. They got out of that cave really fast. They don't want to fuck around down there and try a bunch of things to see if they can figure out a way to take down the force field. They don't want to fuck around and find out.

They just want to fuck around and get out. Yeah. And the McLaughlin group, if you want, they have on the bridge is basically like, let's run a bunch of simulations and see what we can come up with to either kill that force field or beam through it. Yeah. We have to be extremely careful around these people.

This scene is so short and nothing really happens here. And I think the reason for it is because you need to establish a passage of time between Dirt being taken away and this next scene because this next scene we're back with Sulan. Well, I think the shortness of the scene, the shortness of the scene is also interesting because of what happens in the next scene. It seems like it doesn't take Sulan a lot of time

or effort to do this. Does that make it more or less horrifying? I think it's more horrifying, I don't see. I think so too. Like that's like one of the scariest things about the Videans is that they work really fast. Like that and they got your lungs, man. Is this the grossest thing to happen

in a Star Trek episode of television since conspiracy. Wow. I think it is. I thought perhaps this new face would make you more comfortable with me. Oh my god! I was so shocked by this. Yeah. It was so gross. This is a great reveal.

Sulean comes back into the lab and with the face of Lieutenant Durst. And they had Brian Markinsen play both parts. It's a the rare episode where two actors are playing two parts each. And he was playing both Soulan and Durst. And so the upgraded version of the Videan Loaf for this character is Soulanan with dursed face. They took his face off. The red Yankees cap, the puffy coat, and a Klingon BLT's laying on the bio bed like a chump.

Like a chump. Like a chump. No. Like a chump. Despite having fades, Solana stole a dirt's face. I was thinking a lot about the challenge to the makeup department here.

And if they ever at any point considered not making Brian Markinson's salon, like is it easier or harder to turn Brian Markinson into salon or to turn a random into Pete Durst? Oh, yeah. You know, like, I think clearly the choice is the answer. Like, it was easier to just fuck up. Yeah. Durst's head head then tried to make a dursed face on do a different actor, but really great job by Brian Markinson. Like, Brian Markinson is a featured player on Voyager Up Until Now. And like, unfortunately, I think all anyone's going to talk about is Roxanne Dawson doing

the double duty. But props to Brian Markinson really does great work this whole episode. Yeah, but I think this was pretty early in his career and he's still doing it. Like he's he's a working actor in Hollywood. He's only playing two characters in one episode. He's too off for his only. He did Durst face because he thought it would make him more sexually palatable to KBLT. And that's maybe the creepiest aspect of this whole thing.

Like, the idea that you would be like, oh, you look like a guy who works at my office with a lot of really bad wounds on his face. And let me just say this, the carpet does match the face. It's so sick. What they should have done is go down there and get dursed and one other guy. And he could have been like, and I've got everything a cling on woman needs downstairs. You know, I'm kind of a cafeteria of a demon, you know, what's nice about our people is we can just kind of a cafeteria of Adian. What's nice about our people

is we can just kind of pick and choose. I love how they don't overdo thirst face here. You get a couple of good looks at him this episode, but they really don't overdo it in a way that is very effective. And she's like busting out of the bio bed and choking up him up against the wall before they hear some guards capping and she breaks out. That she should have taken his face off.

Here's a question. If Tories and Durst were established to be closer friends, Do you think they intentionally didn't do that? Because it just would have felt like too much. Yeah, like if it had been Lieutenant Kerry from engineering. Yeah, is that just too traumatic for a mainline Star Trek episode on TV airing at 6 p.m. or whatever?

Maybe. I mean, I think that one thing that this show is doing that's very interesting and for the first time in Star Trek is that like people that die on missions or people that wind up having like big evil turns are established earlier on. Like the red shirts are not like, hey, we're going on a mission in In a shuttlecraft? Okay. Yeah. And that's the first line that the character has and the last line that the character has. It's like, I think it's really cool that the character says that and then we cut to the exterior.

That character says that and then we cut to the exterior. That character says that and then we cut to the exterior. That character says that and then we cut to the exterior. I think it's really cool that they're like, you know, getting as used to people before they die so that it feels like a thing. It's something that Modern TV has imprinted on us for years now, which is making us feel something by giving us a thing or a character and then taking it away. And I think Modern TV has like maybe swung too far in the other direction where it's just like, all showrunners want to do is make us feel upset because people are dying left and right and

I'm fucking tired of it. Yeah, I just want to watch regular old shows where people die once a season Yeah, I just want to watch regular old shows with my friends. Yeah, so they have a McLaughlin group is you too this time in the Yeah, so they have a McLaughlin group. Is your two this time in the observation lounge. And what the Voyager crew has come up with is there is a remodulation that takes place every time the Videans do something with this force field they've got and they may be able to punch a transporter through that. And this is one of those great scenes

that like, well, I mean, how are we gonna, how can we safely send one of our people through the force field and get them out? And to coat is like, I think I have a good idea for that, Captain. This is not a crew that has proven itself, especially skilled in the ways of the transporter. Yeah.

You gotta be glad that it's not a CESCA operated transporter at this point. I mean, are we cool with the annular confinement beam at this point? We trust it. Trust that thing, huh? Beelty and CESCA are nowhere near transporter. And that alone gives me more

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So we cut back to the caves and we see what the workplace is like down there. It's Paris and HBLT clacking in for a shift and HBLT, clacking in for a shift. And HBLT should probably have called in sick before even going to work today. She needs to be basically carried to a spot and then lowered slowly. It's really taken it out of her that the hard labor. And I mean, like this is retroactively justified later

and I was like, what the hell are they saying? Like the humans are just super weak. Yeah, I got that five, too. They're really dunking on the humans this episode. I was taking great umbrage with it, but the talaxian dude, like brings over one of those sacks of water that's made out of like an animal organ.

Yeah. And they rehydrate a little bit. And HBLT is like talking about like, hey, this is kind of what I always wanted, but it's made me into something that I'm not. I mean, did all the water back in the middle ages just taste like stomach? I know that like for a long time,

people only drink alcohol because Right. Water was so dangerous to drink because there was no sanitation. God. And like one of the reasons that they think the enlightenment happened was they started to import tea and coffee to Western Europe and suddenly everyone wasn't drunk all the time. Yeah, I mean back in the ages, everyone was doing another round. Yeah, they were doing like third act, another rounding, basically for 500 years in a row. Oh, the dance scenes were so cathartic. Yeah. That random talaxian who gives them the water, I was like, well, you're gonna die.

And it never happened. Yeah, I was surprised by that. Maybe he's a lieutenant durst. Maybe we'll see him again, I don't know. Oh, I mean, we could see his face around some other time, I bet. They've already established that. That is true.

She's talking about, I am completely like I am like completely out of control emotionally. I'm weak and I also can't like deal with just stuff that is happening. I mean like obviously this is traumatic stuff that's happening to us, but it's like completely overwhelming my system. Sometimes fear can be a good thing. I'm glad the episode didn't do this, but I couldn't help but wonder in these scenes because Star Trek has been so bad at this over the years.

How much of her difficulty in coping had to do with her being a woman versus being a human? Right. And how much that was being emphasized or de-emphasized just because of how Star Trek can be. But I'm glad that wasn't a part of this story and a part of her story. I mean, this scene made me wonder about all of the characters we've ever met that were part one type of alien and part human. Like, if Spock had had the same thing happen to him, I kind of think that you might write it the same way that the, but you might write it the opposite way, right?

Like maybe the Vulcan side would be totally out of control because he had to attenuate his emotion so much less as a half and half or something. Like, I don't know. The fact that the the Klingon BLT feels like she is a pretty well-adjusted Klingon. Despite the fact that Klingons have a reputation for kind of hot tempers, it's very interesting that like, HBLT is like really losing her self-confidence and losing her ability to like regulate herself.

Yeah. So the guards take HBLT away and we cross cut back to Voyager where they are beaming gross chakote down. And the fun tension to this scene is that they won't have known if he's made it, like they're sort of beaming them down blind. The only way they're going to know if the mission is successful is if that shield ever drops. Right. I love that.

So they beam and cross their fingers. That's kind of how they do it on the voyage or though, huh? They've done a lot of that this season. Well, it's in the annular confinement, beam stands now. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha Back down in the caves, KBLT grabs that talaxi and dude and gets the information that they've sent Tom and often one direction and a human female in another direction. And this is very interesting news to KBLT. But we cut to the barracks where Torres has been left alone and she has access to their computer system. She goes up to where the guards hang out and is like,

leet hacksawing into the computers, like Lex and Jurassic Park. When the video is approached, she has to option tab away from what she was looking at. What are you doing? Come with us. They're like hauling her back to her bed when KBLT comes in and just beats that, away from what she was looking at. What are you doing? What? What the fuck? They're like hauling her back to her bed when KBLT comes in and just beats that absolute shit out of them. And we get the meeting between the two halves of the one character.

We get a Tom and Will Riker profile stare. Yeah. And this is much better. This is done much better than that version. They learn some things about eyelines. They did. I mean the the Special effects of getting Roxanne Dawson on screen twice in this In this episode are really nicely done like there's one moment where she's like got her HBLT's head is lying in the lap of KBLT and

I couldn't figure out how they did it. Like, it was perfect. You make it easier on yourself by shooting in a location like this versus a well-lit starship, though. Like, I'll give them that. They really gave themselves the best possible chance at success here with the VFX. And to their credit, did a great job.

HBLT faints, and KBLT picks her up like a sack of potatoes and takes her to a remote part of the cave where she builds a campfire that is roasting a piece of chicken breast she found somewhere. HBLT is like, I may be human, but even I know a boneless, skinless chicken breast does not taste good. It's barely food.

Come on. But KBLT insists. And, you know, like the point is well taken. HBLT is seeming extremely weak at this point. And I thought the scene was great. I mean, if like the diner scene and heat is like what you're... I love you, Ben, but don't.

I do not compare this to that. I think you write this episode around this scene, right? Like, this is the scene you write toward and right from. If you even tried to cook me a boneless, skinless chicken breast, I will not hesitate to take you down. You are going down. That's the discipline. We're not so different, you and I.

You can't do a scene in an episode about this without having that psychoanalysis scene between the two halves of the characters. And you get this here. It's the Hulk interviewing Bruce Banner and Bruce Banner interviewing the Hulk. And like the crux of the conflict is that like KBLT was like I was I was like killing guards so that I could escape and I find you dicking around on a computer looking at

Oh, spreadsheets. Oh, you were working. Oh, okay. I mean, it's just that sometimes I walk in there and I see you and it looks like you're not working and you're like clicking around. Like I do a lot of typing on a spreadsheet and you seem to do mostly mouse stuff and I just don't know how that works. HBLT makes the case that this is an episode of Star Trek

so they're going to have to work together and get past their differences. The Starfleet Way can save them, not just KBLT's Way or HBLT's Way. We can't punch all the things and escape this thing, but HBLT found a way to shut down those shields when she was digging around in the computer, and that's the thing they wanna do, but she can't do it without help. She needs the help of a warrior, a warrior's help. KBLT mentions in this scene that, you know, they can't just leave themselves.

They gotta get Paris out of there. No mention of Durst. And KBLT knows what happened to Durst. It was very interested in seeing how this would be revealed. Yeah, I mean, to my earlier point about the captain needs to prove that she is like 10 million percent behind everybody and we'll rescue them if they get lost. It doesn't seem like anybody really gives a shit about Durst. Do you think it's an aspect of like KBLT has seen shit like that all the time?

Like her tolerance for the disgusting is so much higher, maybe she doesn't think to prepare HBLT for what she may confront later? Because that confrontation does happen later and there there is a pregnancy in that moment that isn't HBLT vomiting in the corner, which would have been all right as a reaction, I think. You're saying that she's not full-term vomit pregnant? No. I think you got to prepare your counterpart for what happened to Dürst. We need to talk about Dürst, and that could have happened here.

Gross Chicoete finds Tom Paris in the barracks. And almost gets in trouble for talking to a prisoner. Yeah, why are you talking to that prisoner? But he's like, this guy owes me a bunch of cans of mackerel to the other guard. And he's like, oh, fair enough, carry on. Yeah, he pretty easily wins this challenge with the guard and walks Paris out of there. I thought it was interesting because the other guard was like, I don't recognize you and Chico Tei is like,

oh yeah, I just had my face grafted last week. How do Videan driver's licenses work? Like, what do they look like? The guy that talks to Chico Tei is like, god damn it. Like, we did this policy? The guy that talks to Chico Tay is like, God damn it. Like we did this policy where you're not supposed to tailgate behind someone using their badge to enter the facility. And this keeps happening. Yeah. In the lab, HBLT gets to work on this panel with KBLT sort of standing guard. And she just can't alt-tab fast enough. She ends up tripping the browser security on the website that she's gone to.

Yeah. The alarm goes off. This is a site that's forbidden in this workspace. Please wait at your desk until security around. Genetron.com is actually a blocked site in this facility. She should have used the tour browser. Yeah. They wind up in a standoff with Dersdified Sulan.

And he and KBLT are holding Dersdified Suleyann at gunpoint. They get him to drop his weapon. They drop the shields and they're just about to beam out of there when Suleyann is able to lick a shot at KBLT. No! No! No! No! My interpretation of this scene is that KBLT, KBLT Shields, Paris, who I think was the intended target of the shot. Oh, you might be right.

Yeah. She does jump in front of it, but I couldn't tell. I think he was just kind of, I mean, like all three of the other people are back there, so I guess it could have been any of them. But he definitely did not want to kill KBLT and is horrified. The look on his face is like, I have failed my people when the away team beams out of there. Solana's a monster.

And yet Brian Markinson's performance in this moment made me feel a flash of empathy for him. Yeah, that's fucked up. Yeah, he failed his people. The guy's a monster. Anyone would feel bad if they failed their entire species. Hey, here's a question. Does Ceylon keep the dirt's face around

even after these people escape? I think once it's grafted on, I don't think there's any removing the face, huh? Or is it a doctor schweitzer situation where every time he looks at the mirror, he's reminded of his one true love, and so he wants to get rid of it as fast as possible? I think you could go either way there. Salon left to live when the group beams away after the force field is lowered. And when they arrive on the on the transporter pad, HBLT is is cradling KBLT in her arms until she shuffles off to Stovacore. Nobody yells. And you sort of wonder, does a half a warrior get to go to Stovacore?

I mean, I would argue that KBLT is full warrior. We should put a pin in this question because it's kind of, are there two souls, right? Like, is KBLT a full, fledged entity with all the rights and responsibility there to pertaining. And if so, like if for example you had two souls get merged into one in a transporter accident, would it be a need to the many argument every single time? I mean, in this scene, Janeway is kind of tapping a for some reason dustbuster. She's holding and it's hard to know what she's thinking in this moment. But RSVP KBLT is a thing that if you haven't ever listened to this show, you, you'll never understand.

Never understand. It's explained in 6 Bay by Doc Hollow Day that the Klingon DNA will need to be reintroduced to Torres over time using gene therapy because that's part of why she's such a mess. Like, it's, she can't like produce enough proteins and stuff. Like, her body doesn't have all the genetic information it needs and she would die otherwise. HBLT needs KBLT. The scene doesn't build any tension at all because at, you think for a moment there will be a choice involved. Like, will HBLT choose to remain human?

No. I mean, that's not in her hands at all because the doc is like you actually depend on the K to survive and we're gonna put it back in. He says. In a few more days you'll be back to having a cling on face. Ha ha ha. Perfect. Chico Te appears out of the side of the frame,

clearly having had an easier transformation back to normal. Ha ha ha ha ha. And there's like picking a big flake of dead skin off as cheek, but it's basically back to one. What I love about the end of this button, Ben, is that it just gives HBOT the runway to say how she's feeling. And they don't stick any dialogue into Chico Tei's mouth. He, like a couple of times, it looks like he's about

to say something and I'm so glad he doesn't He doesn't say shit and that's the end of the episode He's a lot classier than Paris was in this right right Did you like the episode Adam? I'll never forget Dürstvast. I just won't. And that's all I need to remember from this episode. Yeah.

I mean, whether or not it was good or bad, it's memorable, and I think that's another important quality. It's super well done, yeah like I feel like if like Dirst face is it feels like shorthand we will use going forward for grossest like like how gross is this on a scale of Dirst face, you know, yeah, it looked like that face Didn't quite fit yeah on Zulan and so they had to rip it in a couple of places It was rotated a little bit. Yeah. In a way that was like great, great work

by the makeup department here. You could see how that could be fucked up and it was fucked up in all the right ways this episode. Exactly. Good job by them. I mean, I think that the only like major problem I have with this episode is that it feels like these same themes that they keep coming back to in season one over and over again, and I want

a little bit more variety. I feel that way too. I'm hoping that that starts to happen, but in a vacuum, a super strong episode, and a really memorable one, I think. Yeah, I'll never forget that reveal. Great. Hey, Adam. never forget that reveal. Great. Hey Adam. It's that, Ben.

Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? Drunk Shimoda! I just want to use my Shimoda to recognize Brian Markinson here. Going out like a boss, playing the two parts, maintaining my interest as a character throughout, even though he's not given a bunch to do in the run-up to this app, what a great finale for his character. Just big fun from him. So, so I'm going to give it to him. He's had a great career as a Star Trek actor,

a number of bit parts here, great on every one of them. So, I think this is it for him on the show though. So I wanna send him off with my drunk Shimada. What about you? I'm not sure if this counts as a daily double, but I'm gonna give Mindasou Lann. Presumably Sou Lann as the chief surgeon of the Videan Siddality is kind of in charge

of this installation, or at the very least can kind of call his shots. And what he wants to do is get a nice looking face so that he can have sex with KBLT. Right. And he's like, there are two humans back there in the, I see where you go. This is not a dunk on Ryan Markham, but there are two humans back in the barracks

and they basically like fight Tom Parasov at gunpoint so that they can take Lieutenant Durst and I don't understand that choice. Salon isn't aware of what qualifies as conventionally attractive. I guess so. I'm not saying Brian Margom isn't an attractive man. I think he looks great and I think he does great in this, but if you're going for conventionally attractive, I think Tom Pairnis fits that bill a little bit closer.

I think anyone would say that's fair. Objection noted will do this without you. Do it. Do it. Do it. I think anyone would say that's fair. Objection noted, we'll do this without you. If you do it, if you do it, you'll end. Well, what is most definitely unfair for us is this never-ending string of episodes. We watch and review on the greatest generation. What do you say I take it on over to the Game of Buttholes World of Drops? And you take it on over to what the next episode of Star Trek Voyager we're going to watch is? The next episode is season one episode 14,

Jatrel! A painful chapter in Nielix's past is reopened when the science responsible for killing his family beams a board voyager. Seems like a bad idea to beam that person a board voyager. Is this like, Nielix's Dr. Mora? Kind of a deal. I guess we're due for that Nielix A story? You're required to learn as you play, roll.

Ben, we are currently on square three at the bottom of the game of buttholes. Yeah. And nothing, nothing but smooth, square sale in a head six squares of regular episode. That is a rare span on the board. There's not that many spans of squares that have no hazards on them.

I love this. I say swing away, man. Ben, I've rolled a two. Tula! Did I win? Which means we've landed on square five. And as I said before, it's a regular old episode for us Okay

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