The Greatest Generation - It’s Like They Skinned Rowlf (S7E24)

Episode Date: September 27, 2017

When Lieutenant Ro is sent on a mission to infiltrate the Maquis, it’s just another late-Season 7 daddy-issues episode. But when the conflict between her loyalty to the Federation and her hatred of Cardassians comes to the fore, Picard doubles down on his inappropriate workplace behavior. Is Beverly the ship’s greatest disease vector? Are Starfleet officers the narcs of the Alpha Quadrant? How are we supposed to sympathize with Bajorans when all they eat are wraps? Everybody knows that the Federation are the good guys, but what this episode presupposes is, maybe they’re not?

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I'm Ben Harrison. I'm the penultimate Adam Pranika. I thought we should take this Marin. Perhaps to talk a little bit about where things are headed for us. Good thinking. Does that sound like a reasonable course of action to you? Yeah, I think so. It's good to have an idea of where we're going.

Instead of just driving this podcast car around. Well, we kind of designed this show to be like timeless. We want people to be able to listen to an episode whenever and have it be fun to listen to, but this is happening right before the end of TNG for us. So I feel like we should divulge our plans, coming forward. Right, I mean, to the extent that we have them. To the extent that they haven't already been divulged. Because a lot is going on, like this, the next episode that comes out,

comes out the day that I move to California, which is, You haven't rescheduled that yet? Such a crazy coincidence. God, talk about ending one thing and then beginning another like on the day. Day and date. And that's the last episode of TNG.

I think we're gonna do one episode, the following Monday, that will be us like looking back at TNG and looking back at this series. Journeys and the saga of the greatest generation podcast. Yeah, Rinse repeat the saga of the greatest generation podcast. Yeah. Maybe we'll talk about our highlights and low lights. Yeah.

Our favorite and least favorite apps, I don't know. We might even get it together to discuss what is on our respective mountains. That'd be a great idea. I like that be kind of cool. Undo all the mountain work we've done up until then by making completely different decisions. That sounds like us. Oh, did you see Adam? He's done a lot of mountain work lately.

He's looking good. Looking tight. But savvy listeners may have noticed I didn't say anything about that Wednesday. We are going to go to a one-a-week schedule following the end of our TNG run. Yeah. And I think that is both a responsible choice for our, for our sanity, but also a good choice if you enjoy our work because I think by going to a one, one DS nine, a week schedule, it will allow us to branch out into other podcast projects, projects that you and I have both discussed and actually worked on behind the scenes in the months up

until now. Yeah, so I mean, I think the cat will have been out of the bag by the time people hear this, that the greatest discovery is maximumfund.org's newest podcast they are embarrassed to have. And that's going to be a limited run. But we've got a lot of big ideas. And this show, more than most podcasts of the kind that it is, just takes a ton of time and energy to produce.

And I think we're both really proud of the unbroken, two-a-week schedule that we did for TNG, but it's just not sustainable for us in the long run. And if we want to keep producing something that is as high spec as what we've been producing, I think it's got to be one a week going forward. And I hope the listeners will be cool about it. Yeah, and I think they will be. I think oddly enough, this has been something that some viewers have actually asked for. They're like, you guys can pump the brakes a little bit,

both for the sanity of the host, but also, I don't know if you feel this at all Ben, but I definitely have podcast subscription stress that is sort of like related to inbox stress for email, you know? Like when you get so many piled up, you feel this obligation to crash through them. Like it becomes a task-based thing instead of a thing you do for enjoyment. And that's not a position we wanna put anyone in either.

Right. I mean, personally, I've never had any podcast inbox stress. I just listen to all the podcasts. Every single podcast. You're a machine, though, in a way that I am not. Yeah, I kind of wonder if that's gonna change for me when I move to California, and I don't have as much walking around time

as I do in New York. Yeah, I think the bottom line is I'm really excited to start a new show with you, Ben. I am just as excited to change the schedule for our show a slight bit. Keeping in mind that we will still be doing two shows for a good portion of the coming months. But outside of that, I think when you have, when your hosts are fresh and energized, I think it can mean nothing, but good stuff down the road. So I think this is a good thing for sure. And I'm really excited about deep space 9.

Like the prospect of getting to kind of shake the etch of sketch a little bit. Like I think a lot of our favorite stuff will come with us into the new show, but I feel like it'll inspire a whole new slate of dumb, greatest gen bullshit. Yeah, I mean, one of the bits that might not come along with us is that part of the show where you ask me if I remember the episode because I remember so very little of Deep Space 9 at all. This is going to feel like brand new trek to me, which I think is gonna be good. Fresh eyes, et cetera.

Well speaking of Deep Space 9, Adam, the episode we watched today, I feel like has a ton of Deep Space 9 DNA in it and is kind of in an interesting way, some of the best that Deep Space 9 ever had and also some of the best that Next generation ever had Yeah, it really They really snuck this one in before the finish line of this show and I think it's one of the great episodes

Ben it's it's season seven episode 24 Preemptive strike. So they are on a Cartesian DMZ trip and they have a little party in 10 Forward Atom. For a character we haven't seen in quite a while. The return of newly minted Lieutenant Row. [♪ INTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪ Strides into ten forward. Wow, that was an extra long road drop, wasn't it, Adam?

Really milked the amount of road drop we got out of that. Well, Lieutenant, you know. Yeah. You know, like a lot like Wurf maybe does not enjoy a party in her honor. No matter what the cake, she's not into it. No one got her any gifts though, the way that they got Wurf a gift. But I suppose that was a birthday celebration. And this is like a congrats on the promotion party.

My wife and I discussed like, oh, should we have like a going away party? And then we were like, you know, by the time we invite everybody that would probably be like on the realistic list, like there will be too many people to have any meaningful interactions with any one or two people. It's the wedding reception problem. It's the wedding reception problem. And this hits Row like a ton of bricks.

She walks in and like, Jordy is upper ass, Troy is upper ass, the doctor is upper ass. And she's like looking around the room and she's like, give me a break. And then she sees Picard just walk out without acknowledging her presence. Beverly's upper ass to the degree that she goes in for a kiss. I think Ro turned away at the last minute so that it wasn't on the mouth. Yeah, that's how Beverly greets pretty much everybody. It's really weird when you go to sick bay

and you're like, I've got a cult. Oh, oh, geez. Whoa. It's okay, I've kissed everyone. My body is full of antibodies. Is there any wonder that diseases spread around this ship at the rate that they do? If Beverly hadn't been acid-faced by Wharf, would she have turned into every possible alien creature?

Like by virtue of her kissing? Probably. Yeah, probably. This is one of the great fake outs, though, because Roses Picard leave the party and you think it's going to be like, ah, Picard's not even gonna do this party. That was ice cold. Yeah, calls are up to the bridge. What are you planning to do?

They're turning brown. Go ahead, sir. Please report to the bridge. And it turns out it's a sneak attack. It's a sneak attack for Picard hangs, who Picard's out in the hallway outside at 10-4 and is like, hey buddy, looks like you weren't really enjoying that party. Why don't we have solo hangs out here? Yeah, out here in the hallway where anybody can go. And Picard by virtue of his exposition sort of says where Rose bin. She's been in a

kind of starfleet special forces training. Yeah, she's been learning special weapons and tactics. Yeah, it might be one of the reasons why she's walking around with sort of a cowboy walk in an out of ten forwards. She looks a little sore. Picard does a little light sexual harassment here. Kind of kind of not a great note for his character to go out on. Oh, you look very fit. All that exercise in that program you've been in really agrees with you. Very fuckable, nice.

Yeah, I don't know, Jean-Luc. Maybe keep your mouth off of her appearance. It might be a good thing for you as a boss. Yeah. Picard, as a character is someone to watch out for this episode, because this is a Patrick Stewart directed episode. One might assume a relative lack of screen time for him. What Picard does get on screen really counts, I think.

Yeah, it's, he gets some of the best scenes in the app. Yeah. Which not easy, you know, like when you are like running back over to check the monitors or to like, sort out a camera move or something, hard to like sort out a camera move or something. Hard to, like, I mean, you hear about actors that like go into character and stay in character for the duration of the movie.

Right, you know, you're, I drink your milkshakes and whatnot. Like those people are never going to direct something that they are also acting in. But just like having your attention divided in that way is almost unbelievable that that ever happens. Michelle Forbes gets fairly little to play with in maybe the first quarter of this episode, but as she always does, she does so much with what she's got. She's

such an eyes and body actor that I just find her work great. I just love her. Yeah. So they get kind of interrupted in there, in their catching up with each other by riker on the bridge who calls them up and they're picking up on long long range sensors and attack on a cardacian ship. I guess I guess they have a distress call and they bust out to go provide aid and what they find out when they get there is that the ships attacking the cardazianship are Federation vessels. They're the make-weaves. Make-weaves?

This idea of Starship Gorilla Warfare I think is really interesting to me because that's how the Mucky fight. They got these little tiny ships and they just harassed the bigger ships. Yeah, they kind of rebels attacking the Death Star. Yeah. Well, the Empire doesn't consider a small one-man fighter to be any threat. This is by far the most complicated model special effects sequence this show ever did, unless there's something in the next episode that I'm not aware of. There's like, you know,

half a dozen to a dozen little ships flying around, taking potshots at this huge cardacian ship. And it like changes the scale of the cardacian ship. Like you never, like we've seen these ships a bunch of times now, but you never think about, oh yeah, that's like a really, really big ship. That's almost as big as the entrepreneur, and these little hornets are buzzing around it, shooting it up. Yeah, they're so maneuverable. It's hard to imagine how you would even fight off a group of attackers like this. And this cardacian ship has not found that way because it is circling the drain.

Yeah. Yeah. And so Picard has this tricky little needle to thread here because he doesn't want to kill a bunch of federation citizens, but also like, like has been, has come up before in this season if he doesn't do something to protect the Cardassians, this treaty could fall apart and this treaty is here to protect the lives of hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people. I think it's a riker that says it. I never thought we'd be firing our own people

to protect a Cardassian ship. And my question for you, Ben, is that has the show done enough to make that conflict feel as conflicted as it's been articulated by Will Riker? Like, maybe there's a little more of that over on the other show that's playing at the same time. But at this point, like, I don't feel the conflict. Well, Adam, you're wrong. This is a totally unusual thing for this show. I mean, the only comparable times, like this comes up when Cardassians come up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it's, uh, you know, like this is a, this is a show that Jean Roddenberry personally created. And the Federation doesn't have infighting in when Jean

Roddenberry's hand is on the tiller. So this is a very unusual place for them to go. And whether or not they've said that explicitly in the past, it's like it's unusual by example. I should say that differently because I think what I really meant is that, I mean, we know that that boundaries have been redrawn. We know there's a treaty here with the Kardashians. Like, I guess I don't feel, I don't feel the whole Federation protectiveness over the Kardashians. It feels totally duty bound in a way that feels empty. Like, if there's any... Yeah, well, I think if we knew like how shitty the war was other than that one time O'Brien said

how shitty it was and we just had to take his word for it. Yeah. Like preventing that happening again would feel more like an immediate and important motivation. We see so much less of the war and so much more of Picard being tortured or row telling the story about her dad like those those parts really peg the needle emotionally and and the war part gets so little little time that I think that's what I have a hard time with. I'm so sorry Adam. But we're going to get a big bowl of war coming up in our next show. And those flakes aren't getting saggy, Ben.

They blow up a bunch of photon torpedoes, like in between the Mayquees and the Cardassian ship, the Mayquees bug out, and they like beam over, guess who, Gully Beck and all his little buddies. What a coincidence. Yeah, the only Cardassian. But he's like, hey, like you guys better get your shit straight squared away because if this happens again, we're gonna start to think the federation is doing this on purpose. Like, like, our people aren't attacking yours.

And Picard is like, what the fuck are you talking about, Evac? Like, you guys attacked a blah, blah, blah freighter last week. Yeah, I feel like they're both pretty clear on what the, like the news updates are from the front. Mm-hmm. So I don't know what a Vex thinking in terms of like pulling one over on Picard. Also, from my lips to the show's ears,

we see a sitting down cardacian on a biopid. So I guess we see the V of the uniform does not necessarily plunge directly into the crotch. Well, this is a lady cardassian that's sitting down though. Yeah. So she doesn't have a a ding dong to stab. Right. It's just stab and clip bin. Adam, the next scene, Admiral Nechev comes aboard because when bad cardacians are around, you gotta get Nechev involved. A really tan Nechev here. She looks great. She looks like she's freshly back from a vacation. She spent all her money from that horrible,

horrible Native American or deal with, on a trip to Hawaii, presumably. Yeah. What does she do on Ryza? Do you think she's into Jemaharone? You can tell that she's into Jemaharone. She's loosened up so much, Adam. Yeah.

She's great. She's a welcome character. She's an admiral so much at him. Yeah. She's great. She's a welcome character. She's an admiral with a freshly fucked look about her. And she says, hey, listen, like these make-weezer, not fucking around. Extremely fattening. Like what you saw is the new normal for them. They seem to be preparing for more aggressive military posture. They're recruiting, they're getting new ships,

they're getting weapons, they're interested in making a big problem for everybody. And so we've got this hair brain scheme where we're going to send somebody from the federation to try and go behind enemy lines and infiltrate and make we sell. And we think we know just the Michelle Forbes portrayed character for the job. Pretty great coincidence here that they've got a freshly minted Starfleet soldier to send on this mission.

When Picard proposes this idea to row in her quarters, I think, unlike the lower decks episode, where Picard proposes this dangerous mission to a Nagzima girl. Starfleet person. Like Picard does not describe the risks involved at all. Yeah, I mean, I guess it's every bit as dangerous as that mission though. Is it implied that because she's got this like advanced training that she is expecting to be sent on riskier missions. The one emotional note, I love this episode, spoiler alert, but the one note that I think they miss here

is the idea that Picard sent someone else on a mission very similar to this one and that person died, and there seems to be no hesitation here in Picard doing it again, which I guess is professional Picard, but also we know there's an emotional soul in there somewhere. I kind of, yeah, it would have been interesting. You could probably have added four lines in the scene with Nachev, I got through that note and it would have been interesting to get the idea that Nachev had something to do with that mission also, you know?

Right, right. And this is the season where other episodes of the show also happened, so why not? Nachev's just playing a super long game where individual starfleet people are just sent one by one to un-missions that they die into the meat grinder. Yeah. On a long enough timeline, she will rack up as big a body count as Picard. Then they'll finally be equals. Yeah. Did you notice that that in unpacking her suitcase and

sent Lieutenant row is using a pelican case with no foam inlays? I love a pelican case, Ben. Terrible suitcase though. Way too heavy. You're gonna want to get some of those little partitions. Like all of my Pelican cases have those, like not the pluck and pull that stuff's garbage, but the the inset that you can configure yourself. Now you go on that website and get the configurable inset. I think they're called the the tarot packs, free plug, but yeah I love them. packs, free plug, but yeah I love them. It's such a dark. She's just pulling like sweaters and pairs of shorts for ricer trips out of there. She doesn't need to get foam inlays. That feeling though of pulling clothes out of a pelican case is

something I know well. Like when you can only pack so many cases on a fucking video trip that, well, I guess I'm packing clothes into my gear case. Great. It's going to be the audio and underpants bag. Right. Sure hope, the baggage claim doesn't lose this one. It has both my camera and my underwear in it. Hahaha. So we cut to a bar on a planet surface, kind of like not a Star Wars cantina.

Like everybody in here is pretty human or minimal loaf, I want to say. Human adjacent. Yeah, human or minimal loaf, I wanna say. Human adjacent? Yeah, human or human adjacent. And, but it's a bustling spot. And when Roe walks in like nobody misses a beat and she like, citals up to 70. And then data and warf walk in in Starfleet uniforms

and every conversation falls silent. We are looking for a Bedroin woman, dark hair, good tea, nice house. The timing on this is a little hilarious because like if the door is automatic door, the sort of automatic door that you'd find at a grocery store like that that senses you coming up to it, it opens and then it closes. The door doesn't have time to close before orphan data are in behind row. Like, they are right on her ass. Yeah, and they have like a description of who they're looking for.

They don't notice the woman having the extended make-out sash, basically four feet from the door. the extended make-out sash, basically four feet from the door. It's interesting seeing Federation people treated like NARX, like to see that uniform be regarded negatively is something that I don't know that we've seen too much of on this show. Really interesting to get that role reversal, because you're on Team Row. And are these Federation citizens that are just having to be in kind of a shitty part of town?

Or like, I mean, like what would breed descent in a person who grew up in the Federation but isn't down with it? This felt to me not like your description of Star Wars Cantina is apt as in this is not that. This feels more like a specialized bar or a club like an Eagles or something. Like everyone who's there has been vetted somehow.

And so these interlopers come in and they are immediately regarded as strangers. Yeah, like she goes up to the bar and orders a cranberry juice and a guy makes fun of her forwarding a cranberry juice and says that's what his girlfriend drinks when she gets her period. It's a natural berry reddit. And she starts beating the shit out of him. And then Jack Nicholson and his Irish buddy come out

and say she's not allowed to beat the shit out of that guy And that's not quite a guy you can't hit, but it's almost a guy you can't hit Ben I have no idea what you're talking about. Where did that come from? The departed the departed. Oh, yeah, that was yeah the one time The one time the departed the one time and then I saw that fucking rat crawl across the railing for the final scene and just like... Wanted to throw up in my popcorn. What the fuck, Scorsese? It would have been better if Scorsese had like popped in from below frame, looked directly

at the camera and winked. That was terrible. And that's the Oscar, that's the best picture Oscar Scorsese gets. That was fucked. I just really disagree with you on this shitty opinion Adam. and roll consent and moving, but off those off those those that no one has a chance to pick the perfect, but really quiet, not ignore, not ignore. Uh, well, data and wharf, like, they kind of like walk around and they go like, we're chasing a pejoran woman with a bob haircut.

She killed a cardassian, wasted him. Anyways, if anybody sees him, we're gonna leave our business card here on the bar. It'd be great to hear from you guys. Did it does that loud talk? Like that's just like a couple of octaves higher than a normal speaking voice so that everyone can hear him. We are definitely not making you think

that this person killed a Cardassian when really she did not. They should have brought in pictures. This is what she did to him. Guy at the bar who we all come to know is Santos. It's like, hey, I saw a woman fitting that general description. You just missed her. I mean, you guys know how the door was still open when from her coming in, when you came in.

She was here hung out for a while, said hi to some people, but she left before you got it. You know how your federation starship has sensors that can tell what alien is what, depending on, on how hard you scan, and how you probably could have scanned this room from your starship, and how you would probably know if you had done so, if there was a bejorin in here.

Yeah, couldn't you just tricorder and like say everybody bejorin' get in that corner, we're gonna know if you're lying. Maybe there's a legal technicality there where they can't just stop and frisk someone. I would love to know. Yeah, I would too. Because that would totally unwind the the head

cannon issues we're having with this. Yeah. Well, anyways, they leave and row stops making out with the scruffy dude that you was making out with four like two and a half straight minutes. I love that they call back this guy a little later who has clearly fallen in love with her. Yeah, he's just been thinking about her. That's like one of the great screenwriting tips is like every character you write should

think that they are the star of the great screenwriting tips is like every character you write should think that they are the star of the story Yeah, and this guy clearly thinks he's the star the star of the story He doesn't even have any lines and he's like he's like, oh man. I'm gonna get that girl one day to him. It's check-offs make-out If you make out in the first act, you're definitely going anal, but the third. Oh! I'm just judging based on the way the guy looks. Jesus Christ. You're looking at him and you can tell that he likes anal.

Jesus. It's just my read, buddy. You'd be a hell of a weird TSA agent. Your additional screening would be fucked up, and... I'm just trying to give the people what they want. Ro is like, thanks for covering for me. Sanctuus is like, no problem. Pepeu!

Totally guns are down in the middle of the bar. Yeah. I guess that's a sort of bar where you can get away with something like that. There goes Santos, stunning a girl and dragging her out of the bar again. What a card. That's just Santos being Santos. Gross. Yeah, like, what is that guy's reputation?

Like you just come around the bar and you fucking Like every pretty girl that you sit next to get stunned and dragged out of there. Yeah, I mean we don't get the scene where he's like everybody be cool I do this all the time. I'm Santos Yeah, like what he needed was, was his red head friend to come in and be like, this is not what it looks like people. She's a person of interest to the make-wice.

Make-wice? It's not doing anything untoward. We're just gonna scare her and ask her some questions. This show does that fun thing, whereas as soon as she's stunned, it sort of fades out. And then it fades back up and we find out where she's been. Yeah. She's on a a bear bunk facing Santos, a lady friend and an old man will come to know as Macias.

They're crazy. And they're sort of they're sort of doing that interrogation thing. They've got they've got backwards facing chairs They're given them heard the what for about her story. Yeah, it really like formal it like the They like pull up the chairs and sit down and unison. It's like they've done this before. It's like a ritual almost This is shot very symmetrically too like you're like a ritual almost. This is shot very symmetrically too. Like you're over the shoulder on row seeing the three interrogators and then you're sort of over the tap of Macyus.

Yeah. It's an intense scene and they're basically trying to get a sense of who she is and what she's about because they are interested in people who are willing to kill Cardassians. And she basically tells them most of the truth. Like she tells them her backstory, but then says that she left Starfleet after a while

because she didn't like working for know, she didn't like working for people who are collaborating with the Kardashians or whatever. I lost my temper and I took a knife and I, you know, those little do not remove under the penalty of law labels they put on mattresses. Yeah. Well, I cut one in the mouth. What's great about Rose, like she's not acting when she doesn't want to answer any more questions.

Like that's not hard for her to be like, you know? Yeah. She's like, stop asking me questions. I've told you my story, fuck off. Like that doesn't seem like an act. No. And yeah, like this is such an interesting kind of acting because it's like it's like the actor acting the way the character would act. Right, it's meta, meta acting. gets to a place of tentative trust with Macyus and his lackeys pretty quickly.

They're like, okay, we're going to go check that out. If we like what we hear, you can join up with us. Worth of Mayquees. Yeah, Macyus remains behind. Well, Santos and the lady take off to do some research. Old man Macy has the confidence of a man who's killed a lot of people. Like, I know the read is supposed to be folksy and trusting, but if you are the leader or one of the leaders of like a rebel group, you don't get to be in a position of power unless

you've killed a lot. And when he sets the pistol down and walks row out of the room, like that red to me is like this guy's super nice and everything, but like he has killed thousands. Aren't you taking a chance by letting me see all of this? What if my story doesn't check out? But if I'm not who I say I am. Well, then we'll have a problem, won't we? And he's human, right? Yeah, I was also kind of like,

he's human with kind of like a bejure and fetish. Like, he's got a lot of like bejure and likes. He likes bejure and food and bejure and music and stuff. He only watches bejure and porn. Yeah, yeah, like specifically, white guys fucking bejure and girls. He really likes those dark nipples. Oh god. I couldn't even get that out without that.

I also thought about the fact that I couldn't think of a lot of rebel movements that I've seen on television that didn't have white older men leading them. Anytime a rebellion has a kind of sympatheticness to it, I feel like there's a guy like this at the top of it. And there is most of the time, except for the newest Star Wars movie had Leia in that role, which was nice to see. Yeah, and it was like, like people were like, like, why do all the girls have all the jobs now?

When that movie came out. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. It's like, it's a weird thing. And it made me think about the like, like maybe this guy is like a stone cold killer who's killed thousands, but maybe he's just a mediocre white guy with all the self confidence that that entails.

The thing is though, like, Ro is all the one thing Ro was looking for is her dad, like in all cases. Yeah. And Macias is another dad almost immediately, like because as much as he wants to be to her, she needs him to be. He plays that role and I wondered if the design of the character was that he was playing that consciously or if they just got along really well. Like, is he kind of playing that up so that he can tug at her heartstrings? I don't know. I mean, it tugs at my heartstrings when I watch this episode because it's super effective. He does that thing that is a shortcut to friendship for a lot of people, which is like, he goes straight for food.

And I really love this next scene between row and Macios because he's like, Hey, you want to bite to eat? Are you hungry? She's like no. Macy's is like I just love Hasprat. Hasprat. Most people hate the high roller but I love the high roller. I eat it all the time. The spice year the better. And they totally bond over this weird food item in a way that that just feels real and good. In a way that I've bonded with new friends many times before. Like food is a great entry point.

It really turned me off at him because the second he showed the side of this thing and I realized what it was was a cold wrap. Look, we know your feelings on wraps, Ben. Fucking wraps. The worst food. If I saw somebody replicate that, I would flip their fucking tray. Fuck you. Fuck you. You tell me this thing can make a burrito and you've instead made a cold wrap? Give me a break break. And beginning to doubt your leadership qualities. Waseous, you're a monster. But so they've got like, they developed some more information

on row. And like, her story pretty much checks out. Like Santos has peeps in the federation, I guess, and can corroborate what she's told them them Which I guess means that the people that Santos has in the Federation feeding him information are Double agents, right? You will not ever know the identity of undercover people Unfortunately, this shit hole has more fucking leaks than the Iraqi Navy He checked her story and it checked out which means whoever he's talking to in the Federation is Giving him a false story.

That's the only way that this whole thing holds together. Yeah, which is really interesting. Like the Federation really has all the cards at this point. They do, which is sort of one of the ways that I feel like the Federation's desperation in this episode, rings as a little hollow. They really need this to work out, and they are willing to go all the way to the end to make it happen. Yeah. I mean, it's like, I don't know, like I'm not much of a, I don't know. I'm not much of a, I'm not great at remembering what I have read about history, but kind of, like the, the, my key kind of feel more like the black panthers to me than, you know,

El Cata or something. Like they're, they have like a, a just cause and like, going about pursuing it in a way that the people in power don't like for reasons other than means and methods. It's like, it seems like the monkey are, are being fucked with for totally arbitrary reasons, which kind of makes, kind of paints the federation as the bad guys. I mean, I sort of got the vibes that this was in Israel, Palestine, metaphor.

But I don't know that any reference to that could remain in the show. Unforged. unforched. In that case, are the Maki Israel and the Federation would be Israel and the Maki in support of the people who want settlements on Cardassian controlled planets would be Palestine. Oh, that's interesting. Like the kind of, the kind of like, well, like, because they want to remain, right? They want to, they want to live and be free. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's got a lot of valences, but like the way, like the Federation starts this episode, I mean, we're like at the halfway point in the plot, even though we're super long into this episode at this point. And the Federation still has all the cards. And spoiler alert, they fuck this up royally.

Yeah, they really do. To my key are interested in Staping the cardacians from deploying a Medogenic weapon is that right? I am not familiar with metagenics. No, that's that's true They're getting wind of of this weapons of the cardacians attempting to either Marshall this weapons power or create the weapon out of disparate parts.

Right, so, so row is like, well, let me take a ship and I'm gonna go get us some supplies off of the flagship. I know all of their security systems. I know that their chief of security is terrible at his job. We'll slip in totally undetected. I know those guys who work in the Nasell, they never look out the window.

There's like three people that work in each Nasell, like, and they're super busy. So, not a problem. And they're like, yeah, right. Like, especially the red head. She's like, I don't trust you. She's like, I'm gonna come with you. And Rose, like, fine, come with me.

I want you to see this. Look at it. Look at me do this. Look at me during. Say my name. So they embark on this plan where they kind of like poke through the shields of the entrepreneur with the ship and they like come in in between the nacelles and

they beam medical supplies off the ship and like up on the bridge orphan data like relaying everything that's happening to the captain and he's like uh that's gotta be row and uh they get like a carrier signal on the like scramble or frequency she's using. And I was like, it's very comfortable with another ship being in between his nacelles. Yeah, surprisingly comfortable for a man of his, uh, his age. Uh, but, uh, yeah, they're like, okay, well, I guess we better make this look good. So they like, lick a couple of shots in the atmosphere. And yeah, like Rose ship makes it out.

And we cut to the Maki outpost. And like, she's there bragging about the thing. And the redhead is like, yeah, it was pretty cool. I thought she was nuts, but it totally worked out great. She knew exactly what she was doing. Well done. What Michelle Forbes does here during this scene is like peak Michelle Forbes, right?

Because the camera is drawn to her face and what she's doing in accepting the praise from a group of people that she's worked so hard to earn. But if you look at her hands, she's sort of like playing with the railing that she's leaning against. And I think this is such like second level shit that she does that I just love.

Like she's all over the margins of what her character's doing. Like she's clearly like nervous, but like, but she's like doing stuff that she doesn't have to do. And this is one of this is one of those examples for her. Like I love this scene for that reason. It is so you to notice Michelle Forbes playing with a rail at him. I just love Michelle Forbes, man. Can't a man love Michelle Forbes in her work? Yeah he can. So they like they really like take the shackles off of her at this point. Like the giver ship she flies back to the entrepreneur and she talks to Picard one-on-one.

She's like yeah this is great like I totally have their trust. The guy's really like wrapped around my little finger. This is going good. And he's like, that's fucking great. Now we've got him where we want him. We can really kick the lucky and the dick now. And it's pretty clear in this scene that she's starting to not feel great about the plan. I love that this scene is shot sort of in the dark and the observation lounge, like adding credence to the idea that this is like a conversation on the lowdown.

Yeah, they're kind of speaking in hushed tones and the, it's sort of like a secret McLaughlin group. Is your one! Yeah. Well uh... An aired episode of the McLaughlin group. John McLaughlin's like, Is your one. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Whatever weird feelings I may have about this mission, I can put them aside. I will

I will complete the mission as prescribed like she goes as far as to say that Picard's like it seems like you're having doubts. She's like, uh, I mean you might be right, but that's not gonna stop me Interesting choice there that she takes as a character. She does not deny her doubts. She just underscores that she will as a character. She does not deny her doubts. She just underscores that she will not listen to them. Don't you feel like the second half of this episode is like twice as plot dense as the first half? Well, I hope not because this could be the record for length of episode if it's true. Yeah. Well, so she goes back and she's like, so the idea that he gives here is like, we're gonna tell him this Medajanic weapon thing is real.

We're gonna give him a convoy to hit. They're gonna, they're gonna devote everything they've got to taking this convoy out. We'll have them all in one easy shooting alley. And we'll just take them all out at once. You know clean up our garbage our treaty can go forward just fine. And so she goes back and she's like she's like explaining this to them and she's having like connection with Macias and some some monks are walking around in the camp. Is that really a camp?

It's like a city. Yeah, it feels like a town square, but a fairly developed town square as Star Trek goes. Lots of extras. These monks go up to the second floor and just start shooting people. It's like, this is the worst plan. There's just three guys and they're just up there shooting everybody and, you know, like five or ten people go down, but then the Machi, regroup and distribute guns and all of the Cardassians get shot. The question I have for you at this point is, what if these cardacians were terrorists? What

if they were the Cardassian equivalent of the Maki on that side? I mean, they kind of are, right? That's not a tactic that you can use in a justifiable way in a war. That's what I'm saying. Like, but we get... Are either spies or terrorists. We get no outside of their actions defining them. We get no confirmation of this. And so it just seems like on a very superficial level that they might just be what cardassians do. Yeah, I mean, it would either raise a question or further confirm that maybe the Federation

has this one wrong, you know. The reason that I asked was because this is information that would be useful for row to take back to Picard. And this is never a piece of information that is shared with him. Yeah, like the next scene is them basically making out in a bar Picard and row. Like they have like an information exchange under the guise of him negotiating for professional sex with her. Ben, we should probably say that Macius dies in this attack.

And this is Macius dies in this attack. And- Or SVP Macius. And Ro, after having bonded with him, has now lost two fathers. She takes this incredibly hard. This is the moment where she breaks. Yeah, and he like says, you know, it's all good. Like, I can go now because now you're here and you can finish the project they started. Yeah, the photon has been passed. Yeah, that's something she is liable to take lightly.

So she explains to Picard that the marquee are not crazy about the idea of devoting everything they've got to the project of stopping this convoy. And he's like, well, like that's cool. We can like, pare down the size of the convoy till it gets to a size where they can devote everything they've gotten. She's like, that's like, well, like that's cool. We can like, pare down the size of the convoy till it gets to a size where they can devote everything they've gotten. And she's like, that's just not how,

not everybody thinking about it, man. And he's like, well, what's your deal? Like, where are you at right now? Cause I really wanna make sure that you're gonna do the thing that you're here to do. Cause if you back out now, like, everything you've worked for is fucked. We're fucked.

The federation is fucked. Like everything is fucked man. Picard makes a terrible error here because you know for a long time Picard has taken a paternal tact with row. And at this moment he's like, Hey, Hey, bud, are you okay? And then immediately pivots into don't throw away your career. And then a line later doubles down into, I'll fucking court marshal you if you fuck this up. Like, like I'll court marshal you,

you'll be brought up on charges, don't throw away your career. And not only that, like, maybe I'll just stick right around you to make sure that things go according to plan. Like, he does not give her any room to breathe, and I feel like Picard makes the decision for Ro at this point. Yeah, bad management, Picard. Yeah. It's such a wild scene because he's issuing these fucking threats, and like, she's like,

you know, rubbing his- It's so intimate. Rubber finger on his ear, and like, touching like, you know, rubbing his- It's so intimate. Rubber on his ear and like touching his neck and stuff. They're going head to head, like forehead touching. It is so intimate for how, for how heady, not for how heady, I don't want to say that. It's a- It's a loggerheads and head to head, Adam.

It's really, there's a lot of intimacy for how much conflict there is. It's a great scene. So, yeah, and he announces that Rikers going with her to basically keep an eye on her, which is a bit convenient given the fact that she was subjected to quite a bit of scrutiny by the Machee. I mean, I guess they can make a fake but you're an identity for Riker, but it seems like something that would be tricky to arrange on such short notice. Riker's seen an opportunity to fuck an Apprevia and also wear his Rolf from the Muppet Show costume. That I love more than playing the controls of this Previa.

It's like they skinned Rolf. Oh, as we be Rolf. So the plan is the like good guys are going to hide in a nebula and this decoy cardacian convoy is going to come through with all these metagenic weapons or so the mucky think. And the mucky are going to come out of the demilodrized zone and start their attack and they'll be set upon by federation ships and they won't be able to get away. So, that's the plan, but Ro knows all about it. So, they are like lining up for their attack run, and she like puts the prev in neutral. What the? And everybody's like, what are you doing, Ro?

And she's like, I'm sorry. I can't let this happen. She grabs a dust buster, points at it, Riker. Says that she's having second thoughts. He can go back with his little buddies on the entrepreneur, but she's going with the Machee. And then she initiates a beam into the nebula that polarizes all of the particles in it

and reveals the ships to the maquis who see that it's a trap. I see it. And they bug out. They beam row out on their way. There's probably like Santos was doing just fine performance wise and then this scene like is just not up to the task of playing to radio. Yeah. Squat lead it to all ships.

Abort the mission. Repeat. Abort the mission. Like don't cast this guy in your green screen summer blockbuster action movie. He's not going to be able to do it. There's a really good scene here between Riker and Rowe before she beams off, where Rowe can barely look at Riker during this as she beams away. She's like, just tell, just give Picard a message that I'm really sorry I had to do this. And this is a scene that makes me think that like, Roe really had a ton of fathers because Riker might have been one to her too. Riker doesn't attempt to star-check fight her into submission. Riker lets her go because I think he loves her too. And he understands in a weird way. Yeah, I mean that's the thing about this episode is like the the cause that the

mucky are pursuing from the 10,000 foot view looks dangerous and like madness, but when you get down into their level, it seems like the only thing that they possibly can do. And that's a really powerful bit of writing. And I think that right that Riker getting to see it from both sides really affects the way he plays this. Yeah. I mean he's as hurt as anyone but he understands also. I don't know. I think the Riker-Roe-Laron relationship did not get a ton of screen time, but what's there is just really strong stuff. Yeah. He has a very dejected final scene where he kind of transmits the information he got from Row to Picard and like, you know he hasn't been bothered to take off the

roll costume in the head he room he looks a little out of place there when you've been tickling the eye range as long as I have you've seen a broken heart for every drop of rain a shattered dream for every fallen star exactly she just walked out on me. And Picard is just like stone face. Like he does not speak. He doesn't, doesn't make even a gesture of response to Raker. And the camera moves around his face and he just looks fucking rips it pissed. Like this is like a colossal failure in in captaining that he has just gone through. And like he doesn't he doesn't say anything. It just fades to black.

This is excellence in directing to me because I imagine what's on the page is Picard looks double crossed. or something to that effect like what could possibly be on the page that looks like what we see at the end like this is all direction and it's fucking great. This is a look on Picard's face that he's never had in the entire series like he doesn't look this upset after best of both worlds part two. And they do him a great service by not playing that fucking stupid single brass instrument of disappointment here. Like they just let him eat it without the music. They really like slam the door shut on the row story here. Yeah.

Yeah. Did you like this episode, Ben? I really did. I think for the kind of a couple of like hand-wavy, excusey things that the script does to get past shit that doesn't make any sense, this is a brilliantly directed episode, brilliantly acted episode. I would have felt so bad not to get one more

ends in row. Yeah. Like I am really glad she got her her last bottle because she's the most interesting character in the show in a lot of ways. I totally agree. I mean, everyone on the senior staff, you could just call nice, nice and easy to get along with. Even Worf, even Data, but like Roe is the outlier. Roe is the one, row is like the blowfish, right? She's pointy and sharp and she's hard to love. But that to me made her the most real feeling. And God, I wish they were able to lock Michelle Forbes up for more of a run on this show because I think she does great work with this character. Yeah, I wish I wish as a marquee she had popped up on Deep Space 9 too. Like I was thinking how interesting it would be if she had had like a kind of an arch villain

role on Deep Space 9. She was supposed to be Kirin Erives. She was supposed to be on that show, but they couldn't they couldn't make it happen contractually. Well, I like the, I like Nana visitor, but it's a shame because... Michelle Forbes chose Sex Vampire Show. Yeah, I guess that's what you got to do. I got to go with that Sex Vampire Show. Guess so.

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I kind of spoiled this already, but the main criterion for drunk Shimoda is the character having the most fun. And Guy who didn't get any lines but got to smooch Michelle Forbes is definitely having the most fun. And yeah, like the fact that his character gets to come back is hilarious. Great, a great bit of direction. Like, I mean, I'm sure it was like, oh yeah, we're gonna just shoot all these bar scenes

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