The Greatest Generation - Kitten Balm (VOY S2E19)

Episode Date: October 4, 2021

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bit embarrassed to have a Star Trek Podcast. I'm Adam Pranica. I'm Ben Harrison. Blimey it's hot in here. Yeah, man. Look at us. Sweating it out. Our studios are where we go to have visions about Star Trek.

Dump some coffee on those hot rocks. Yeah. Get the blood up. Uh-huh. If we're lucky, get in a naked Vigo Morton's and fight. If we're lucky. I mean, but most of the time that's just the vision that we have.

Yeah. How are you doing? I just put on maybe more tagger balm than is medically advised. That's the thing about tagger balm though. It's a distracting kind of pain, right? It's a pain that distracts from the original pain, a pain that I prefer. It's an elective pain rather than a surprise pain. Isn't that always the better thing?

I mean, I think that's why like some people are like are afraid of the vaccine is like, what if it gets me sick? Well, that's like why addiction in general, right? Yeah, I guess so. I mean, I'm a very pain averse man. I don't like pain. You'd be a very bad boutser at the double dues

because to you pain does hurt. Pain does hurt. Yeah, I would want to be behind the chicken wire up on the stage. I have never heard of Tiger Balm. You're, are we talking about a mosquito bite or something more serious? Some, some kind of bug bite. I don't know what exactly it is because I was out in in my mother-in-law's garden yesterday for 10 minutes, and I just got absolutely annihilated by bugs.

Oh, yeah, you got to get yourself a big thing at Agribon. This is not branded content on the greatest generation. What a strange and delightful bit of product placement it would be. Oh, man Maybe we should send a note to the to the ad sales team at maximum funds. You think it's solicit some tiger bomb spots for us Yeah, I don't see that happening. I don't think they advertise anywhere ever. I think it's one of those things. They don't need to Yeah, this kind of shit here sell itself Adam. It really does It's the sort of thing you don't wanna touch

with your bare hands, like is that kind of stuff? It's like cutting up jalapenos, you wanna put on rubber gloves. There's no bomb that's safe for handling. Is there all the bombs? Yeah, I prefer if I'm going for a lightly analgesic thing, I go gold bond, but they've gone to extra strength only, it seems like. Like the lotion.

They used to sell the lotion in a yellow bottle and a blue bottle, and the blue bottle was more intense than the yellow bottle. It's like for net that way. Yeah, and in almost all areas of my life, I issues subtlety, but that was one area where I really appreciated the lighter strength option. I really surprises me. I like to feel it. I like to feel it in just about all things.

Here's my issue with it, Adam. I first became aware of Goldbond as a product at Summer Camp, where somebody said, put some of this on your balls, it feels amazing. And like an idiot, I did. But they weren't tricking me. It was true. It did feel amazing. You know, I feel like most people's first experience in personal health comes like that, doesn't it?

Doesn't it? Summer Camp. It's at Summer Camp camp or vacation Bible school, or some version of that where you get the kids together out of the house. In canoes preferably, get them talking about their balls. Yeah, I just, you know, or lady balls, I'm not trying to gender normalize a summer camp experience.

Right, I think that like the thing is, like I'd never really had an opportunity to talk about, hey, doesn't it suck that your balls are like pretty much always itchy and sweaty? And then, and then you try this and it's like, wow, for five minutes, they don't feel that way. You feel like the way they should feel. Yeah, but then you're just chasing the balls' dragum, though. Except for the blue bottle, two and 10s, I don't feel that way. You feel like the way they should feel. Yeah, but then you're just chasing the ball's dragon though.

Except for the blue bottle, two and tens. I don't like it. Maybe you got to cut it with the neutral sauce. Oh, I got to step on my gold bond, like 50% gold bond, 50% jergans. That's what I'm saying. Get it stepped on, moderated a little bit. Could I just do that with tiger balm though?

Like mix a teaspoon of Tiger of Tiger Balm in with a tub of Vaseline. I think you've come up with a great Product idea here Ben. I think we're ready to go to market. Man Kitten balm. Yeah, that's what it is. That's what I want Wow, well is it helping with your bug bite? It is it feels great. All I feel is heat. I don't feel any what I want. Wow, well, is it helping with your bug bite? It is, it feels great. All I feel is heat. I don't feel any itch anymore.

Well, that's great. I'm glad I might finish recording this episode today and go to a store and get myself some tiger balm because these skater bites are no joke, man. Yeah, they suck. And they're real. They're very real Yeah, I was told before moving to LA that they wouldn't be a thing, but they are they are it's been a weird year though Everything I was told wouldn't be a thing in LA it turned out it was a thing What's your fault

Everything is just like everywhere else except there's more of it. Yeah, that's LA. That's a great told. Everything is just like everywhere else. It's, except there's more of it. That's LA. That's a great way of looking at it. Yeah, but I love it still. Well, like the song says. Well, Adam, I know that they said that the bugs would not, there are no bugs that live in LA, but you and I both know that there are life signs

of those bugs. Do you want to get into season two episode 19 of Star Trek Voyager? I'm just shaking my head at what a poor pivot that was. I thought about it so much harder than I normally do too. You ran right into the pommel horse on that. Ha ha ha. Boy, barely any electrical activity to what it took to make that pivot happen. Ha ha ha ha ha. Let's just get out of the pivot. The pivot's dead. The pivot is dead. The episode is very much alive. It's Star Trek Voyager Season 2 episode 19. Life Science. Reaper Course. Unless you've got something a little bigger in your torpedo tubes,

I'm not turning around. Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr And throughout. Uh, he is late for work and he describes a delivering ins and wild zoons baby as an excuse. Oh, you should have been there, Harry. And then tries for a different excuse. And I was like, if you actually delivered a baby, all is forgiven. It's got to be confusing to deliver a baby in the mess hall because everything

Neelix makes looks like after birth, right? She's like, I want to eat the placenta and he's like, um, I think you might already have. I'm not really. Hey, I know you meant to cut the umbilical cord, but that was, that was a Travellian blood sausage. You just cut in half. Yeah, he pivots too. I got stuck in the elevator, which really takes the air out of the deliver to baby excuse, and makes it seem like engine wildman has not yet given birth. I don't understand why Paris is so bad at this.

You want an excuse that holds up under scrutiny, and she had a baby thing There's a very binary answer to whether or not that is true, you know This is the third time this weakness Paris. You're excused should at the minimum hold up under your own scrutiny Right you're the person who came up with it He like loses confidence in the in lie, like halfway through telling it. I mean, this is the lesson of the past several years. You hold fast to that lie, no matter how fucking stupid it is.

You never give it up, Tom Paris. Yeah. You delivered that baby at Nielix's. You know you did. Yeah. Believe it. He could have slapped some Leola root sauce on his forearms and come in looking like he delivered a baby at the very minimum. Yeah, I think you got to mess with

some makeup choices here. As it is, Bidunks really does look disheveled. He looks like he needs a behind the counter suit a fed like he's a little congested, Sudafed. Like he's a little congested. His eyes are a little squintier than they usually are. He does seem like something is wrong with him in a way that feels like it's not just acting. It feels like he is affected. I don't think they have a counselor aboard, do they? This ship needs a counselor, bad.

Real bad. Because Chicoete is a terrible counselor. Yeah. They get a distress call and this is a classic Star Trek open kind of interrupting a very unusual Star Trek open. Right. And this is a Videon lady on a shuttle all by herself. This is what Videons lady on a shuttle all by herself. This is what Videans do, right? They trap you and then they take your meat. They take your meat and they put it on their meat.

That's what they do. That's what we know about Videans and could be a trap. And Tuvac says, preliminary scans show no other Videan ships in the sector. It is unlikely that this is a trap. Tuvac's gonna get people killed. Preliminary is not good enough, Tuvac. A single Videan with a gut buster phaser

has done huge amounts of damage before on the show. Yeah. And you did plenty of preliminary scans and didn't predict that. Look, Tuvac definitely isn't warf, warf being the single worst security officer in the history of Starfleet. But Tuvac is kind of fucking up here. Yeah, he's really making Paris look good. Yeah.

And they beam her directly to Six Bay. So in Six Bay, the doc and Kess are triaging just a laundry list of issues with their new patient. Issues that are so great that they miss a giant pile of Christmas tree lights sticking out of her temple. Yeah. Like, he's standing in front of that thing for a while before it seems like he notices it. And then he starts talking about like what it is and what it's doing. And it is described as bio-neural circuitry, which is the same shit that the ship runs on. And I was like, all right, I know where this episode is going. They're gonna find a thing that they can trade with the Videans.

Like, they can trade some medical expertise, and maybe the Videans could give them back up gel packs or something. It would be great if that were the case. It would. That is not where the direction this episode takes though. The doc has such latitude here with what he chooses to do that he goes from patient close to death on the table to recreated as a hologram on another six bay bed almost instantaneously. Yeah. And what's weird is like the doc is telling Cass,

you gotta hurry up, this is an emergency situation. We are so short on time. Yeah. But then he totally luxuriates into the time he takes to actively create the clear sheets in a world book in psychoepidia that shows the different anatomical systems of a body that he's making.

There's a lot of flourish there to that moment. It's like the fifth element, but rated PG. They don't stay at the wide shot when they put the skin on. Yeah, they cut to below the knee. That's the Amish cut right there. The Donk really missed his calling as a hologram designer. I mean, I thought it was a little bit weird when he was like, computer increase bust size, 30%. And to their patient's credit,

she doesn't make any choices of vanity either. Like, she more or less remains looking the same. Yeah. Throughout the rest of the episode in an interesting way. I thought it was so clever the way this show figured out a way to give us a look at a baseline of the Dean. Yeah. Give me a VDN7.

Computer, pop it up to age. You know where she was going, she was really more like a VDN9. Yeah. So in the ready room to go to a briefs the captain on this situation, basically the plan is we'll see if we can patch her up, no pun intended, and drop her off at the place she was headed, which is kind of on our way.

We'll be there in a few weeks. And then he brings up the Paris situation. And he basically confesses to the captain that he's done with Paris's bullshit, but defers to her on all issues of Paris because he's sort of her pet project. I'm gonna say it right now, not a great Captain Jane way episode.

And I think it starts here. Paris is kind of her problem. She got him out of prison. Paris, we just saw a few episodes ago, was willing to go down with the ship with her, post self-destruct. They recently fucked as lizard people. They obviously have a special connection for more than just these instances I've described. And she totally either does not recognize or does not care to recognize their connection as a reason to get involved. Instead, she just delegates because a captain delegates, and that's what her job is.

And I get that. But if she cared about Paris at all, I think she would jump in here. Maybe I'm reading between the lines too generously, but I kind of think that her idea here is Paris needs to get with the program a little bit more, and the chain of command stuff on the ship has been a little bit chaotic of late, so maybe more needs to be done to like reinforce those boundaries. I mean, everything we know about Paris from the Bible study through these past two seasons has shown us. I think that Paris doesn't respond to the stick.

He's a better employee around the office when he respects the authority figures there. And he doesn't have any respect for Chicoete. And it's... Well, it might also be a training mission for Chicoete in that sense. Right. If Chicoete is going to be exo, then maybe Janeway is like letting him do a little learn the hard way about what doesn't, doesn't work with various senior officers. I've got a theory about this. I think Paris needs to bang. And like taking lizard captain of the notch in the headboard there. I don't think he's been the same since Kim started banging it out with the Delaney sisters. Yeah, it seems like whatever he's getting in sundreams is not holographically scratching whatever is itching him. Yeah, I think so. Anyway,

that's my theory. Speaking of holograms, this this Videon is she's really getting a crash course in what her life is now. She is totally amazed that she's been revived in a way where she isn't covered in patches of other people's meat. The doctor is being his kind of customary short self with her, but she is like stepping into this whole new paradigm and totally amazed. You know, we get a little bit of world building about what it's like to grow up in Videon society. And she turns out to be a doctor of some kind, so it seems like she may be able to collaborate with him on her treatment. And she's like, what do you mean my treatment? I'm feeling great.

And then they like walk her down to corner and she sees her corporeal self lying on the slab. Why are you crying? I was surprised that the scene started with her tears of joy in seeing her reflection and then having to wait so long before she sees her corporeal body and her reaction to that. Yeah, a lot happens in this scene.

Yeah. In between those two moments. And that kind of sequence to her emotions is something that I think plays out a number of times in this hip. There's a very funny moment in this scene, Ben, that I'm wondering if it delighted you the way it delighted me. She has that conversation with the doc, which goes like, you're a simulation, and he's like, I'm the coolest, best, most sophisticated computer simulation that there's ever been, which felt a lot to me like,

you're a Star Trek podcaster, to which I frequently say, hold on. I know how that sounds. I am the host of a wildly popular Star Trek podcast. I don't even understand it's popular. Yeah, I don't understand it either, Adam. She's like, so I'm Denara Pell and you and you. You and the wait-a-man.

That's it. Our still name was Archi Dac. I guess the thing is like she had that bio-neural circuitry in her head, so they were able to download her mind into the hollow matrix in the six bay and therefore she's gonna be projected like this for a while, but she's only got like a week before this starts to degrade.

It's like being in a pattern buffer in the transporter. You can be there for a minute, but not forever. So interesting how body horror has been such a theme for this season, and how benign that Body Horror is in this episode for most of it. Up until it's climax even because I would have expected us to get a nice slather of burger. For the next 20 minutes, it's like her up close with herself and being disgusted by what she's seeing. Yeah.

I feel like Videans would be much wetter looking if they were like a Star Trek discovery species. That comes later in the episode Ben and that 57 Chevy. We get our one and only rack focus here between Burger Videan and Denara the Smooth. They don't really overdo that in a way that I was grateful for. Yeah, let's just smash Rack and then a smash cut to BLT in the doctor's office. Fielding his request to let him take some neural tissue from her and put it into this VideN woman's head. And she's not feeling exactly medically generous toward these folks.

I still have nightmares about what those people did to me. And you totally get it. Yeah. They don't say specifically why they just speak in general terms, like BLT's experience. Yeah. And their care was negative. experience in their care was negative. But I think BLT is more correct in her description of things. And I think you get a turn off Denara Pell's hollow program

while you're having this conversation. I don't think that's... Yeah, she is standing right there. Yeah. I mean, BLT is not afraid to stand up for herself just by the social awkwardness of it, but DeNarada comes in and is like, hey, I know that this isn't like an idea

that you're psyched about, and I totally understand that because you are super famous to Vadeans. I know all about you, because Klingon DNA is special and That was why they were so interested in her in the first place It makes you like Denara in this scene no matter what the possible outcome is Between her and BLT because she makes the case that she cares about where her meat comes from. She's a conscientious Videon, right?

because she makes the case that she cares about where her meat comes from. She's a conscientious Videan. Right. She's not just getting whatever is cheapest by the pound. She wants the farm raised grass fed grain finished. She's going to Kegelson. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. You know what?

Kegelson sounds like a place where you learn how to do kegilexercises. It does. Maybe. All right. Let's work on that one. Let's work on that one. Commendicino farms.

Quoll foods. Later we get some up-close work between the doc Danara and Danara's burger body. And it isn't about Danara receiving the compliments of her makeover. It's about the doc being very receptive to compliments about himself. He is smug and self-important and bragging. And also doing like a totally amazing procedure.

Like he's describing this ability he has to like manipulate objects in such a fine way that he's like way better at surgical procedures than a corporeal doctor would be, but he's also got the benefit of the medical knowledge of 3,000 different species, I had to mention Leonard McCoy. I think we've talked about this a few times before, but I wish the show were a little more nuanced about how people's treatment of the doc affects how he treats other people, which you understand to be true from this episode. Totally.

Because like she's like way nicer to him than almost anybody has ever been. And he's so responsive to it. It's that kind of nuance that I think would really have benefited the character up until now when everyone was smashing his hollow nuts in on a basic every episode basis, you understood why he was gruff, and he didn't have the bedside manner that he developed later on when people were nicer to him. I think you could make a stronger case like over his entire character arc that that was an effect on him versus these isolated

moments in individual episodes where you see that. I think it is, it feels more coincidental then then the result of actual character development over a long period of time. Yeah, it does feel less like intentional subtext and more like an interesting area that they keep like accidentally wandering into Exactly, they like instead instead of subtext It's something that serves the story for this episode in a coincidental way Yeah, and that's less satisfying. Yeah, I agree Excellent work, Doctor I was only a sister. Well, they are really hitting it off.

She wants to suggest a name for him. Yeah, this isn't a good idea. Nobody wants to be named Dr. Schmales. Here's an idea. Like, if you're coming up with a name, like, never choose anything that just rhymes with small or something that ends in is. Especially like combining those two things, I would say, not ideal.

Yeah, he doesn't take it as being as emasculating as I think I probably would have. I think I like the sound of that. I didn't quite get the idea of like, the doc is like, all all right, Denara, time to put you away and turn off your Program and she's like, no, I'm I'm ready to stay up late. I'm full of energy. Yeah. What does that even mean in this context? Right. Eight hours is so specifically like a sleep amount of time to They try to get the idea of time too. They try to get the idea surrounded of like what the longer her program is up, the worse it is for her burger body. So we've got to like make sure that we ration out her energy a little bit. But I think there are two few mentions of that compared to a moment

like this where she's like, I could stay up all night. Let's go somewhere drinking and the talk is like, sun drains away, it's at never closes. They serve food all night. The kitchen never closes down, it's an amazing place. Yeah, even Nielux is like, I don't know how they do this. She's pretty astonished by just the idea of hanging out in groups.

And there were so many things about the way she describes the phase about the way it sort of becomes a scarlet letter in their society. Like, some of it confused me because she talks about, she kind of implies the existence of healthy unfaiged videans. I wanted to know so much more about that. And their culture with respect to that, for sure,

because I just assumed all the deans are burger. I absolutely did too, but she talked about getting diagnosed at nine and then suddenly being sort of ostracized or isolated in ways, but also she's like a physician who travels around and helps people. So she's not like permanently ostracized. Like it makes an interesting case for there being like sort of a binary in their society where there are the people that don't have it yet and the people that do and you can't really like cross the boundary, like you can't socialize with people

on the other side of that boundary. Some of what she says really hits close to home and our face is just beginning kind of way. Didn't feel good. Yeah, she's like, you know, 35% of our society rejected mask mandates in the vaccine and it just stayed forever. Yeah, we had a chance and now we're stealing burger

and covering our faces with it. Fucking sucks. Neelik steps in to take a big ol' dump on their table before a random dude comes over to hit on her and she is clearly just not used to, like this is a fun bit of business, right? She describes how different it is to socialize with her culture, and then we see the effect of normalized socialization on her immediately

after its description. So, Nelix comes over and she's, she kind of recoils, and then this random comes over, and she recoils from him to... Yeah. It's a thing and the duck is kind of a deep ag about this. Go away. Immediately. I feel like I would be too if the guy that was coming over and making things awkward and uncomfortable introduced himself as the morale officer.

Yeah. Like, come on, Nielix, read the room. If that's what your job is going to be, read the fucking room. You know what's funny is the second guy that introduced himself to her, also described himself as limo-ral officer. The background music in this scene, I don't know if you watch this in headphones, I know sometimes you like to do that. I know sometimes you like to do a lot of things wearing headphones, Ben. But the music in this scene made me wonder if Sundryne's is always piping in the accordion music, like it's a Disneyland ride, or if they just did it in this scene to emphasize the dancing

conversation that they have toward the end of it. Oh yeah, because she's not even familiar with the concept. And you can't do it? It's not part of my programming. I mean, I've seen dancing where I could imagine an outsider being like, that is fucking awesome. I am very curious about learning more about that. This does not really seem like that kind of dancing.

It would be so fucking funny if they got the dancing wrong in the scene and it's a chordian music but it's popping and locking. Like because it's hundreds of years in the past and the history of dance is compressed into this tight amount of time that 400 years from now is going to feel like all the same time. Right. And I feel like if you're making a hollow program that just shows what dance is

potentially in early 20th century France, like you could easily make the mistake that it is hip-hop dancing or or something like square dancing even like the wrong dance here I think would have been a really interesting move. If she says what's dancing and the camera cuts over and it just looks like a major laser video seconds short on the episode kind of choice. It got a little, a little more coverage of this just in case. Yeah.

This is a character who can affect his own programming on a whim, basically. But when he watches this dance scene, nothing seems more unattainable to him than this ability. There's so much will they won't they energy and this all feels like, you know, leaving himself out for, you know, being vulnerable to emotions that he doesn't know how to deal with.

And I thought it was really sweet. Yeah. It doesn't matter what you're doing or what the context is of the hang. Ending the hang can always be awkward. This end to their hollow date is totally emblematic of this. Like, okay, I guess we're done. Yeah. With what we were doing. Oh, go!

Okay, I'm gonna leave. I'm waiting. We're not playing last word. No. One, two, three, bye. This is something I'm starting to get used to again. Like, as we start to hang out with people, like, ending the hang, I've never felt more awkward

about in my life. I don't know. I feel like two years ago, ending a hang I've never felt more awkward about in my life. I feel like two years ago ending a hang was an act that I carry it out almost with hostility. Like, hey, we're done, all right? Yeah. I just want to say to you, Ben, I owe you this. I'm sorry if I fucked up the end of any of our hangs

over the last year. I feel totally incapable of doing them. I can't think of a single instance when you have, I'm sure I have, but we're just trying to do better. Yeah, just trying to do better. But yeah, so the way this one ends is with him turning her off for eight hours. I thought this is a really interesting choice that Piccardo takes here, because after he turns her off, he's alone for a couple of beats,

and the expression on his face, he was more professional looking when he was watching Paris take kettle chips off of his face. A couple episodes ago. Like, I don't know, the expression he's got here is almost abject horror at what he's done. Yeah, it's the midpoint between horror and perplexity, which is a very interesting, emotional,

bullia base to be swimming in. Did you forget about the Chico Tei in Paris story? No offense, but why the sudden concern for my feelings? Because I sure did. Yeah, we are like at the halfway mark of the episode and it's kind of our first check-in with Paris since that opening scene. And it's Chicote kind of inviting himself

to sit down with Paris in the in the lunch room. Paris is like, yeah, you can sit down. I know what your reputation is. You come to the mess hall to punch people. Yeah. It'd be fun if every time Chico Tay entered the mess hall, like he was big swing and dick. I punch people in the face to go day. He goes right up to the front of the lunch line. Yeah. Yeah. He sits down and people scatter. They like, they're at the table. They're right of him. Yeah.

This is the scene where Chico Te finds out, Paris is not the asshole. He is the asshole. Yeah. I've got a problem. My problem is you. I mean, I alluded to this earlier as being someone who took Paris aside.

This is like a character flaw within myself. Like I was in many jobs for many years longer than I should have been. And the last few years I was there was often me being a petulant moody asshole because my experience there didn't turn out the way I'd wanted and the creative freedom that I thought I had was not available to me and would never appear the way I had hoped. And I was playing out the string before I could find a better job opportunity. And so like watching Paris articulate his gripes with a managerial figure made me feel like I knew what he was going through.

Like he's a qualified person who has some ideas and he's being smothered by a management class. And that sucks when you're that person. He does not feel like his suggestions are being heard or given any consideration and he suggests that jacote that the kind of the smothered feeling that he has is not isolated to him. It's something that is really going around and sort of implies that basically anyone else in the lunch room would sing the same song if pressed.

You gotta be fucking right when you stand up and go and everyone here thinks the same thing. Like they all just like embarrassed look away. I think this is a very hard scene to pull off, especially at the end when he makes that grand gesture. And we do get a wider shot of the background. If you make it too cartoonish, you're like, oh shit. Chico Tay's in big trouble. But if you dial it back too much, it makes Paris look like he's on an island

and like a bigger dick than you want him to be like an Irredeemable dick. Yeah, I think they got the tone right here. It is pretty much impossible for Chicote to come back with the Energy that Paris is leaving with so he just kind of Grant him leave to get to get out of there and we cut to Jonas the the Make Wee's Trader transmitting with a pine code and Riding out the fact that there is dissension among the lower decks on Starship Voyager

Magical, we'll find that very interesting good work, Mr. Jonas. Up until now, it does not appear as though there's any end to Jonas's treachery. Like we're not super clear on what his end game is. Yeah. But it seems like he's willing to suck on a pine cone to get over there with Sascha. And it's so interesting that this guy that he's face timing with as soon as he starts bringing up sabotage as a suggestion, Jonas is like, that's the bridge too far and he face time hangs up on him. Yeah, I mean, it's hard to tell in the scene whether he is using that as leverage to get SESCA on the FaceTime or if he actually would refuse to do something

bad devoidger, but sabotaging the warp core would be a big deal. So he basically says, like, unless I'm hearing it directly from SESCA, I'm not trying to hear anything else. I get why we don't know anything about Jonas, and we get our couple of scenes per episode of him skulking around on the periphery. But man, I really wish we got a little more of him or like a Jonas bottle episode, because I'm not saying I want to know him in order to like him, but I wanna know him in order to get him a little more.

Yeah, he is a very interesting character because he sort of seems like more of a born trader than a like died in the wool make-wease. Because if he was a hardcore make-wease, then he would hate sesca and everything she represents since he unmasked herself as a cardacan. Yeah, I feel the same way. He's just like a guy that is always Imagine himself to be the The victim in every scenario Those type of people suck it Yeah, you want to you want to get away from those people. Yeah

Back in 6 Bay, Kess is starting to sort of slide into the matchmaker role with Doc Hollow Day, aka Doc Schmolless, because Doc is feeling real distracted, real up in his head about the whole denara situation, and she's like, hey, maybe that's because you're really like her, and you've got a lot of feelings right now. I understand like due to proximity, why you would make Kess the conduit for this advice. She's there. But I don't think she's a great person to dispense advice about love for all of the obvious reasons,

but also because I feel like she's a better person to talk about love in the context of impermanence. Like if her deal instead of like, you know, it's so fun to just stand up in a broom closet with people, because that's what's in your show Bible description of you. If instead she's like, look doc, I know you might not get this now because you're being of electromagnetic energy and you could possibly live forever. But as someone who has an expiration date, like seizing the day and taking risks for love is worth it because you just don't know when your time is up, is so much more of a compelling argument from Cass. Then just do wide Cass being like,

love is love, like she's like Drew Barrymoring her way through this scene in a way that's like cool because she's good at that. But I don't think it's true to her character. Yeah, I think that's a good punch up for this scene though, that nothing is promised, time is short kind of thing. And it would make the kind of awkwardness of the next scene hit that much harder because it would be totally like because he's in a hurry to do this.

Yeah, and it would be like so much funnier if he had been set up to feel like he was in a hurry that he had to do it when he was elbow deep in her brains. Totally. Yeah. Yeah, you know, I'm really liking what I'm seeing here. Yeah, yeah. Speaking of, speaking of things, I would also like to be elbow deep in.

By the way, Denara, I've been meaning to tell you. I'm romantically attracted to you, and wanted to know if you felt the same way. Kest tries to jump in front of this shoot down, but it is way too late. Yeah. Got, you got real awkward, real quick, and Denara basically tells him, hey, thanks, but that's not really how I think of you. And he's like, okay, back to totally surface professional relationship. You know, how else it would have nicely contextualized this moment?

If by telling the doc to carpe the DM and he does it too soon, you make Kess feel responsible for this in a far more acute way than she does. Because there's a surface level responsibility she takes where she's like, oh, I gave this guy bad advice because he's a dope. And he interpreted it in completely the wrong way. But if she had told him to go because time is short, and then he goes immediately, I think she could blame herself in a way that would work better. That would be another interesting element to the scene. I wish

it was like that. Yeah. One thing that I thought about with regards to Harry Kim and his romantic prowess in this episode is how wise he is to keep that sort of on the DL. Nobody's coming to Harry Kim for romantic advice. They always go to Paris, the guy that's full of bluster on these topics. Kim's left alone to play his clarinet. Yeah, like he's free for his own personal activities. Meanwhile, Paris, poor guy, having to be rich history of being rejected by women is the perfect person for the doc to go to for advice.

What's it what what do you do when a lady dumps a picture full of ice down the front of your shorts? I know I'm a doctor so I should know the answer to this question. How do I sue the sore balls? I really love that all throughout the episode, the doc refers to his romantic feelings in very medicalized terminology. He talks about symptoms and stuff, and I think that that is a really fun bit of writing. And Paris is basically saying, hey, the symptoms will get less and less bad over time

if you're anything like me, but sometimes something will remind you of that person and it's gonna hurt just as bad as it did at the beginning all over again. Yeah, this is a very well written description and a credit to the writer for this moment. It's not as well done. But he also has the advice of like, you can't, if you want to date a girl, you can't just take her to the dive bar that you and your chucklehead buddies hang out at all the time.

That's not a date. Fucking Nielix hangs out here. How good can it be? I'm actually working on Sondrein's two. all the time, that's not a date. Fucking Nielix hangs out here, how good can it be? I'm actually working on Sondrein's two. Just to fucking distance myself from the whole Nielix thing, you were there yesterday. It sucks.

He's demonopolizing the pool table. Nielix and a jiggle-o are standing around in the bar, and this is where you take your lady on a date. Come on. Thanks a lot, Doc. Well anyways, we go to Six Bay and this is Cass on the other side of the matchmaker equation having a private moment with Denara and turns out Denara really does like the doc. She didn't have the courage to admit it in the extremely awkward moment he just

you confess his love. I know this might be hard to understand, Kess, but like when you're looking down at your own burger head, like super up close, and then you're watching a doctor like do some medical procedure on it, and then the doctor at the same time makes a pass at you. It's a tough moment all the way around.

You know, you want to feel attractive when you're getting with someone. The doctor was asking me on my best day in front of me at my worst day. It's a real head fuck. Yeah. If you can't handle me at my indicates bio bed, you don't deserve me at my indicates hologram. Yep. So, Kess is like, maybe you should get a little distance

from your burger party and go do something else. So, like, it's interesting, Kess and Paris are giving both Denara and the dock similar advice. And they wind up in a 57 chiffy on a overlook spot somewhere on Mars. Maybe the most boomerie thing that has ever been done in Star Trek is the idea that boomer nostalgia will be alive and well 400 years in the future. God it'll never die man. I fuck this.

And not stand this. This is pretty consistent though. Like running at a low level throughout the episode is what the fuck Denara would know about anything at all, culturally on this ship. But because the episode is about describing courtship as a man convincing a woman of his worthiness instead of being a person interested enough to like in general, it is about making this big grand gesture that the doc is doing. And it doesn't matter how little denara would possibly know about a an automobile or Mars or anything. Yeah, what any of this is. Yeah, I also just wanted to say that like scenes like this in TV and movies really fucked me up as a late bloomer because I Like this is a scene of two late bloomers

figuring out what a date is and what it can be in real time in this car and So I just imagined that I was gonna like find another Person that was as late bloomer as myself. You just tie yourself in to not trying to do the thing that you think is the normal thing. Yeah. Instead of the thing that the two of you would most likely be interested in, in a vacuum,

like without all of the cultural expectation bullshit. Why is there any reason that they would have a good time doing this? This isn't either of their culture. Yeah, it's not. This is whoever wrote the episode's fucking culture. It sucks. You know what I like to do as a holographic medical doctor? Is have sex with historically significant medical

doctors throughout history. Here's why they call them bones, McCoy. One of the things he tries is he indicates up with the stars and he says, hey, do you like constellations? What do you think of this one? It's called Hercules. What do you think of this one? It's called Hercules. What do you think of that cluster over there? That's called Pleiades Nuts and he points down at his balls.

Ha, ha, ha, ha. You know, we were at the trailhead for that one and I was like, all right. I didn't pack for this, but let's see where this goes. Ha, ha, ha. Just incredible view at the top for that joke. I didn't pack for this, but let's see where this goes. Just incredible view at the top for that joke. Yeah. Yeah.

Big fan. So they end the scene smooching. Hey, I'm going to follow up with the same question I asked earlier. If you were watching this with headphones, the sound design of this scene is bad and gross. Oh, is it real? It's really smacking. I think they had to pump it up because the kiss happens in shadow. Hmm.

And so you get a lot of, a lot of mouth sound, like more mouth sound than I think you, yeah, thanks. The, the mese of phones out out there, gonna really enjoy that. Just shoot this episode into the sun. I wonder if that's how decisions like this are made though. Like, oh boy, it turns out this shot happens more in shadow than it looked like in the monitor. Maybe we gotta turn this up.

Sound wise, I don't know. I did not watch this scene on headphones. So it didn't leap out at me as being particularly gross. Maybe that's a headphones specific problem. Like maybe the sound plays a little differently when it's gone on speakers. Right. I got a ticket that's locked in the middle.

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Back on the bridge, we realized that the doc isn't the only one coming late. Paris arrives to find Grimes at his station. That's because Paris has been late so many days. And Arot Chicoetay's just decided to stick grimes on the slider seat. And Paris in a moment of when dad says no, ask mom, just does not get his way in this moment. And when Chicoatay, Chicoatay should not have touched Paris

here because as soon as he does, Paris shoves Chicoatay. And then Chicoatay takes a dive like some fucking soccer player after barely being touched. Get your hands off me! I'm out of my mind! Not a good look for Chicoetay. Is my position here. You think he oversold the fall?

Yeah, I think he oh I fell overd. But I think part of it has to do with how the sequences cut together, because they cut away. Like, I kind of feel like a wider shot might sell the fall a little bit better, because when Paris shoves, you cut to the angle onto the floor, and then Chacote and my recollection falls in defraame. Right. And it looks a little clunky with that being the decision.

It makes it seem less like Paris did anything directly. I mean, it's an incredibly awkward scene. I love the framing at the beginning when Harry Kim is right in between Chicozae and Paris when Paris steps into the ball kicking machine formally. Yeah. And his quarter has been on that machine. Yeah. A little bit. But he does have next.

Yeah. Paris is sent to the brig. Where we don't see him. Yeah. And I kind of wish we did. Yeah. At least on lower decks, we get to end the episode with Marinor sitting in the brig, right?

I think that's part of my problem with what's happened to Paris up until now. It's like we see the punishment verbalized, but we don't see it affected on him. Yeah. Like he's on notice, he's in the brig, but we don't know what any of that looks like. Yeah, we have to like rely on our past Star Trek knowledge to any of that looks like. Yeah, we have to rely on our past Star Trek knowledge

to know what that looks like. And I don't know. I think it's interesting that they're slow rolling at as much as they are. You would think a bridge officer being sent to the brig for cause would be the A story, but it's super not. I wonder if we're going to get the A story that that they probably considered at this moment in time like where it is just Tom Paris as an unfunny Ferris Bueller like fucking his way through an

entire day like just just being a shit everywhere. Yeah. He's no sausage king, Adam. Over with Jonas, SESCA finally facetimes him back. And she calls him Mike, which I think is consistent with how SESCA operates. She is a little less formal. She's a little more flirty. Yeah.

Makes her phone to be around, I think. She's really enjoyed reading the after- action reports about his other phone calls. Uh-huh. She's heard all of the messages he sent and the scene kind of ends elliptically. There's a planet called Hemicke IV that there's going to be some kind of drop set up at. And they want Mike Jonas to sabotage the ship in advance of that.

I like how anti-Kazon, Aseska, is in a dose like this. When she throws away a line, like, I'm not having this baby on this fucking case on you. You can forget about that. I kind of appreciate her desperation more now that the baby is involved. Then I did previous to this where she was just a chaos agent looking for the fastest way home. It's one line of dialogue, but it's so meaningful to me that she's like, get me, like nothing is sterile here, Jonas. You don't Like, these people do not care about hygiene. I would rather give birth in Nelix's mess hall

than over here any fucking day. I know we'd probably lose track of the placenta, but that's a price I'm willing to pay. Out, look, I'll just have a number of things in my freezer waiting, and if one of them's placenta, that's fine. I will eventually make soup out of them all. Yeah, I know it's 50, 50, placenta, or leola root,

but those are better odds that I've got here. Jonas, by the end of the scene, seems unconvinced still. That sabotage is the answer. I'm keeping a candle lit for Jonas here. I think he's gonna do the right thing. Wow. One way or another, I'm going to take a voyager.

Well, we don't get to find out any more about that because we cut back to Six Bay where they are getting ready to pump Dr. Pell's brains back into her burger body. And she's kind of a long burger, isn't she? Yeah, I prefer them around personally. I don't know how I feel about the long burger. I like making a long burger, that's fun. Yeah, I just feel like by the time I'm through the circle part, I'm like, that's enough burger. I don't need the, I don't need another fifth of a burger.

I think those are emblematic of the feelings many people have looking at Denara Pell's burger body on the slab, most notably, hollow Denara Pell. Yeah, she has been messing with the injections and this really make a cast look bad initially because it looks like aess was not following instructions or maybe put the wrong drugs into the hyposprae at some point. And she's like, no, no, no, no, no, don't,

don't get too locked down here, don't launch an investigation, I did it. I don't wanna go back into the burger body. I wanna like end my life in this happier version of myself, and I know that that's only happier version of myself. And I know that that's only a couple of days. This is just a better way to go for me. Like, I'm dead either way.

Let me do it with a little bit of dignity. I love how many times the blame jumps around too because it starts with Kess. And when Kess turned out to be innocent, I was like, oh shit, this is a doctor problem. Like the doc is so fucked up by love that he's actually making care mistakes with a patient. And it's not that either. No.

When he confronts her about the fact that she administered netoxin all to herself, he says, don't you understand? It's my duty to save that booty. She wants to throw this burger body in the trash and live as a smooth, even if it's only for a couple of days, Ben, and I get that. This is where you really start to rack focus back and forth during this monologue, right?

You really do, but, and this is quite a long scene, but sort of resolves on the note of him persuading her to return to the burger body, even though they will have to drop her off at the Vidyan colony once that is done, like they can spend a couple of weeks together and have a little romance, and that would be a huge gift to him. I felt bad that Denara's main thrust here was one of Vanity. The whole... once I hop back into Burger Buddy you're not gonna love me anymore because I look like that and she gestures at the bed. Like, the doc could disabuse her of this

with one stitch of dialogue. Like, I don't even see you right now as a hologram. Like, I'm seeing information. Yeah. I'm attracted to you because of your personality because I literally, like, what you think I'm seeing, you couldn't possibly comprehend. Right.

It definitely roaches to some sort of like patriarchal standards. And also, I think that there's like a very real argument to be made that it's like very fucked up that he kind of like mow-mow's her into living a longer life than she wants to live so that he can be in love with her. But that's not great. All that being said like the like criticism of the text of the scene, if you set that aside, the scene really worked for me and I feel like these two actors

sell that he convinces her to go back into the burger. It's more satisfying if you think about it retroactively from the end and moving backwards. Like the end point in the scene is the doc doesn't want to go back to before times either, because she changed him in the way that he's changed her. His burger heart has been changed. He was just existing before and now he's living. That's the thing. If she goes back into her body, her body will have to leave to continue her mission in two weeks. So I wasn't quite sure whether or not to believe Denara at the

end of this scene because anyone who who injects their burger body with nitoxin all seems like they're a danger to their burger body at this point in a way that I might not want to leave alone. It's right toxin right in the name. Right. She kind of fucked up. She could have hammered that burger and she did not. The button on the episode, a scene that made me incredibly grateful that I have a television in my studio and didn't have to watch this in front of my wife

Tell me more you know she works from home most days in you know in a dining room that directly adjoins our living room and would have seen this on the TV This is the kind of thing that This is the kind of thing that somebody that hadn't watched this episode and didn't know much about Star Trek would see and just be like, what the actual fuck are you watching? Show me another show that can earn a moment like this though. You're presupposing that I feel the same way, band. You don't have to agree with me. I felt like this moment was earned and and really touching and sweet. I'll tell you what I did really like about it is that is how it ended specifically. Yeah. Like I I'm still not sure whether or not the scene works for me emotionally the way it's opposed to you, but I sure do love that we get a dance to credits without any kind of doctoral post scripting or he's

walking her to the transporter pad somehow or or whatever. Like, I don't want a goodbye that's a resolution. I want a more complex goodbye. Yeah, Dr. Dr's personal log as a precedent that was set earlier in the episode. I could see the temptation in the writer's room to end on a personal log as well. And I think it was so much stronger that they didn't. I agree. Well, did you like the episode?

You know, I'm really easy to get along with most of the time, but I don't like voting because I don't like voting, and I don't like you. I'm just joking. My issue with the episode is my issue with every artifact of television and film from this era. The thing that's going to take a generation to undo the damage of, the idea that if you can just convince a person to love you, that you can both be happy. It's the source of myrium problems. I mean, it just did an uncalculable amount of interpersonal problems. And I mean, it just did an calculable amount of interpersonal

problems among so many people. Yeah. It's so amazing that there was such a market for this completely preposterous depiction of courtship that does not really bear any resemblance to real life for such a long time. Like all movies and TV were like this.

It's done so much harm to like, I'm not gonna speak generally, like to me specifically. And it's just wrong. Yeah, like so much of the like heartbreak I experienced in my early life of trying to date people was down to expectations that were set by shit like this. Yeah, so, I mean, on a macro level,

I can't possibly like this episode. While there are many good parts of it, like I really did like the doctor's performance, really strong doctor season, I think, this year. Yeah. I liked seeing Susan Deol again. Did you recognize her as Riker's babe that got killed by the Crystal Line entity? Yeah, she's great. I thought she was really good in this episode too.

And I can appreciate that a main storyline and Star Trek Voyager is going to have the doctor going on a very data kind of journey, where he becomes more human in some ways that intrigue. But I mean, it's not like TNG was ever very good at those depictions, especially where romantic relationships were concerned. Yeah. So that's where I'm at with it. What about you? I feel the same complications about it, but yeah, for whatever reason, like this one just feels like it lands in my good column.

And it's an interesting puzzle, and I like that the doctor is becoming more and more vulnerable, and is a character that this show stays interested in because I think when the camera is on Robert Picard out, he is bringing up the average on this show, and centering episodes around him tends to really slap for me. So, while I'm not thrilled with every single choice they made in how they depicted this, I think it's an interesting new development for him and makes him feel like more and more interesting character.

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Yeah, Gary. Gary of that day and Lordog. It's funny, like, it is extremely hard to remember specific moments of the post show hang. Yeah. And I wouldn't have remembered this moment. Had Gary of the day not reminded me, but I absolutely do remember this. Man.

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Shemota and then I encountered the drunk Shemota post credits. Oh, yeah. So like we dance into long fade out into the into the three credit. Is that the the part where Nick Fury appears after the credits to invite Dr. Denara Pell to join the Avengers Initiative? Our three producer credits fade to screen and then what you often get in a show is is like the the first guest star that isn't an official guest star on the show pops up. Right. And Rick Gianassi as Jigalow is the very first credit that pops up after the producer credits.

And I just think it's great. Like you look at Rick Gianassi's career. He's done a lot of like trauma film stuff, which I think is great. Oh, fun. So initially I was like, boy, if you're Rick Gianassi and you're like, hey, look for me, I get some lines on Voyager.

It's going to be great. Never mentioning the character or what his name is or anything at all. Just to get your name and the character name all by itself in the credits as the very first slate after the producer credits, I think is awesome. Yeah, that's pretty fun. I'm going to make that moment the drunk Shimoda of the ep for me. After the producer credits, I think is awesome. Yeah, that's pretty fun. I'm gonna make that moment the drunk Shimoda of the EP for me. I wanna give mine to Nielix.

Same scene, it just really made me laugh the high-end the chief morale officer. And I feel like it's very fun the way they write him to be like, so fucking oblivious to what he is, what he's running rough shot over. It really gives him a break because like if you're bad socially and yet you have a job and a job title, that's your out, it's your out and your in. Like, hey, I'm a total dope. I'm the morale officer. Like that's that's basically how this goes every time. And he has a reason to

be a dope every time. Yeah. He's the social director of the cruise. And there's nothing. There's nothing cool about that role. You know, yeah. We'll find out if and when we ever do the Star Trek cruise. Yeah. How true that might be. That's what they should bring us on for. Oh, to social direct the Star Trek cruise. Yeah, we'll just give everyone a hoof and call it a day. That's all you need to do. Objection noted, we'll do this without. Well Adam, why don't you head over to gach.bizslashgame? Well I tell you about season two, episode 20, investigations.

Nielix helps smoke out the crew member who's been passing Federation secrets to the K-Zone. You can't use that terminology these days. You can't use that terminology for the past 30 years. What are they doing? Yeah, I mean also that was probably written like relatively recently for Amazon when they got the license to run Star Trek Voyager on, right? They know what they're doing. Yeah. All right, Ben. We are on the second row of the game of Buttholes, the will of the Caretaker. A place on the board we will never leave.

It doesn't feel like we can. Currently, we are on square 20, the end of that second row. But if the past, I'm gesturing to the past few months behind me, is any indication it is here where we will remain. You're required to learn as you play. Roll. I have the die in my hand. I'm gonna give it a roll. Ben I've rolled a two. Wow. Tula! Did I win? Harvey. A two means we've made it to the third row. We've got a banger couple squares ahead but for the. We've got a banger, a couple of squares ahead,

but for the moment, we've got a regular old episode next week, and we are on the third row of the game. Hey, at least we jumped over that. His eyes uncovered square, which people always get mad at us for doing. Yeah. Instead, people can get mad at us for all the normal reasons. Yeah.

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