The Greatest Generation - Klingon Thirst Trap (DS9 S4E13)

Episode Date: May 20, 2019

When Major Kira gets assigned a diplomatic mission, she’s given a chaperone that turns it into a career-redeeming move. But when the Klingons insult the size of his ship, Gul Dukat overcompensates big time. How far away is a believable nose? Do all drain cleaners look alike? Why are high school stages so wide? It’s the episode that really gets its hooks in you!

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Yeah, just building a runway here. How many shows have we recorded this week, Ben? Between greatest gen, greatest discovery and friendly fire, I believe this is our fifth How many shows have we recorded this week, Ben? Between Greatest Gen, Greatest Discovery, and Friendly Fire, I believe this is our fifth or sixth podcast that we are recording within a five-day stretch. I don't want to jinx it. A point of pride for me and you, I know, is that we've never missed a release date of a show.

Yeah. The show always comes out on time where the real like Mussolini of Star Trek podcast. So one thing you can count on. It's all the walk. It's the way we walk. And hold our chests out just so. Yeah. And so you and I are going to be there's going to be some scattered travel coming up for us. And so what better way to use our time than a recorder bunch of EPS. Yeah, we got to get the... We got to build the train... the train tracks out ahead of the train. That's the order.

As we are riding in the train. It's all about laying down track. Who's the real road worker that had a spike go through his head and that it changed his personality? I feel like we're that guy. Yeah, we're whoever that is that you're talking about. No, this is like a famous story in psychology. Like, he was a normal guy. I learned about this in college.

Oh, I've never learned anything about psychology. I'm just the subject of it. Finneus P. Gage. You recognize that name, don't you? Oh, yeah, he's the man for whom your favorite submarine game is named. Yeah, I one day want my Gage's video game to be signed by Phineas Gage. Yeah, he was a railroad construction guy that got an iron rod completely through his forehead. Wow.

And it destroyed his frontal lobe, and it changed his behavior his forehead. Wow. And it destroyed his frontal lobe, and it changed his behavior and personality forever afterwards. See, that's just like us. Speaking of construction, Adam, something big started today that I think will excite the people. Wow.

You recognize that sound from your childhood? I know, that's great fully work, man It sounds like a bag of glass It's a bag of Legos Wow started I started the Falcon That's great just opening the box took quite a bit of doing The box weighs like 35 pounds, it's huge. It's the size of a mini fridge and it has four sub boxes inside of it that are each full of about 30 packets

of legos and they're like numbered, which is very helpful except for some of them aren't numbered, which is maddening. Is it an elegant unboxing situation, like an Apple product designed in California? I think that they kind of got that, got like 30% of the way there, and then we're like, fuck it, throw a bunch of plastic bags in a box. Because like, the numbered bags are totally out of order within the smaller inner boxes like There's one box with like bags

1467 467 321 476 and two it doesn't really make a lot of sense and also like There are a number of number one bags. Is there a crudely written note inside that's like hey rich dad Fuck you good luck number one bags. Is there a crudely written note inside that's like, hey, rich dad, fuck you. Good luck. No, but the number one step, like one of the bags does not have the number one on it, and you just have to figure out that the pieces that it's referring to are in this other unnumbered bag. Also the book with the instructions for building this thing is just shy of 500 pages long. 500 full color pages, it's spiral bound. Whoa, so it lays

flat, that's good. Yeah, it lays flat. I'm going to try and document as much of the build as I can with my little Osmo camera so that we can see it all come together in the end. Very cool. Yeah. So how many pieces have you connected to other pieces, would you say? Like has it even started or are you just laying stuff out on the table face?

I have like a, I think this is gonna be kind of probably the central spine of the ship or something like that that you start building and it just looks like a big letter T right now. That's maybe 30 pieces so far. I mean like this, I feel like this box may contain as many legos as I ever had as a kid. It is a just stupifying number of parts. And if it wasn't numbered, the build would probably take 25 times as long, because it's already like a bit of a hunt to find each individual piece that's telling you to find.

So I only worked on it for half an hour. I got the box open and I got a very small initial piece built. But that'd feel good though. That's great. It was really fun. Wow. Young Ben must be so happy. Yeah, I've spent a lot of time in therapy recently talking about my inner child. And my inner child is fucking flipping out right now

Hey, man. I'm happy to hear that you're going back That's good. Oh, I'm not going back yet. I still haven't gotten the referral from my doctor Oh my new medical insurance, but speaking of opening boxes Adam Oh, yeah, just a couple of boxes at the PO box I thought I would because we'll soon be leaving for a little bit. I thought I would go clean out the box and so here we have two. Let's do it. Captain, I'm sorry to disturb you. I'm receiving a code 47. Verify, it is code 47, sir. Start lead emergency frequency. Captions eyes only.

Our first box is very heavy. Again, I'm always surprised at people who send us heavy boxes due to the cost involved. This one looks to be from Matt from the University of Missouri. Let's open it. Whoa. I'm shocked that smart people listen to our show. I was gonna say the same thing.

What do they like about it? I'm shocked that smart people listen to our show. I was gonna say the same thing. What do they like about it? I just love kicking back after a day of teaching smart minds. Riding the next generation. I just love kicking back with something like just totally brain-disked. I just like to shut it off. Alright, this looks to be like it's a stack of paper products. There is a note on top. Okay.

The note says this, Adam and Ben, I have recently obtained a trove of embarrassing items. Oh, I love troves. I've marked several choice pages. I hope you can use this stuff on the pod, either now through the use of a new segment, or a bits-bits-bits thing, or for a future TOS situation if you don't get sick of the whole trek life before then. Stay awesome! Matt! Thanks Matt! Alright let's dig in. What do we what do we have? What is this? This is a fan

publication called the Star Canticle. Oh boy, so this is like a fan-zene. Oh no! I got a Jackie and Laura you a picture of this. This is going to be my next tattoo. Some of it. This looks to be like some erotic fiction maybe. I don't know the first picture I saw was a Kirk as Centaur picture. And why don't we... Is this felt Kirk as Centaur? We've got poetry.

There's a bookmark in here. Maybe I'll just turn straight to that and see what... See what Matt had in mind. Oh my god. Oh, oh my god! Oh no, Ben! Uh, there's a... there's a pull-out centerfold. And uh... Oh, no! Oh, Jesus, there's a... there's a completely nude spark...

being tended to by a... pants-clad... Jim Kirk. I'm gonna send that to you now, because I don't want to be the only one who can't get this image out of their mind. I'm about to see Spock's dong. Yeah. Oh, well his dong is tastefully obscured. It's got kind of like a tom of Finland art style to it, I want to say. Uh, this box is full of magazines like this. Wow.

Oh boy. Um, I-I don't think Matt's wrong. I think this could be its own thing. There is a lot to go through here. Probably more than a mail call. Could do it justice. But uh, wow. Thanks, I guess.

Matt? Ha ha ha. You certainly wouldn't want this to be found in your home. A lot of questions. Matt? You certainly wouldn't want this to be found in your home. A lot of questions. We should like put a gallery of these up on the internet in case any of our viewers who are male attracted want to jank or Jill off to these. That's great.

I would love to do that. And I will. Alright, this next box Ben, you will be delighted to know comes from best friend of the podcast, Bill Tilly. Oh man. He has assured me that you are getting a box of equal value. There's an envelope on top. Apparently Seattle is closer to Ohio than LA.

I don't know what accounts for the time difference, but... Ben the letter from our card daddy goes like this several months ago. I got access to some equipment that finally allowed me to make the dream a reality. I'm sorry, these boxes aren't the cool light-up discovery-peleicon cases, but what's inside should make up for it? They contain the complete greatest-gen card collection to date. Damn! TNG, DS9, seasons 1 through 3, donor, and special episodes.

Whoa! And some chase and tour cards I designed to fill in the gaps. Damn! Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha- in the gaps. That accounts for its weight. Again, very hefty box here. Yeah, because there's like, what are their eight cards per episode? It is. It's a box about the size. Like, if you had to mail a toaster, the dimensions of the box are that big, and it is stuffed with cards. It's a brick. Let her continue. Its greatest gen has changed my life for the better in so many ways, and it makes me happy to know that you'll have an actual physical collection

to look back on. Who knows? Maybe someday when you turn around and start over from the beginning, this will be like your memory alpha. Hopefully our holographic projections will be discussing that prospect in the McLaughlin room of Uxbridge-Shimota World Headquarters. Have fun looking through these and hiding them from your wives! As always I ride for greatest gen your card daddy, Bill.

Oh man, we don't deserve Bill. Bill's the greatest. There are a lot of individually wrapped parts of this box, but all the collections are in individual cases, so, and they form puzzles, right? In the previous versions that Bill has sent us, the card backs turn into the show poster. So the first one I opened was the Star Trek Generations. Oh, cool.

Collection of cards. And so on the front, Bill has done the jokes that he does which are fucking great. And I can't tell you how great the quality is on this print job. Like the pictures are crisp, the text looks great, like everything's cut like professionally. It's amazing, and so we get all the jokes and pictures from the movie on the front and on the back the image combines to create the two captains one nexus tour poster damn cool and that's like the level of thought that Bill has put into all of this shit and then there's like you know baseball card boxes full of of the seasons of the show that we've done and they're in the same quality. Wow. Can you jacket lower me a picture of that?

Yeah yeah here we go. I don't know what's gonna get me harder the previous pictures are this. It's just so thoughtful. And Bill's not wrong, right? Like the, I think a long time ago I made peace with the idea that this project was just going to be a thing that we make, and it's a thing that people download. And like the tangibility of a project like this would always be fleeting. Like, like, you, I'd never feel like there was anything Like we weren't making something real sure

but But Bill has reminded me Like you look at a body of work over the years that we've done this and you see what it looks like in person it's It's really great. it's really great. That's really cool. Yeah. Really blown away, Bill.

Thanks so much for this. And really appreciate you over the years. Thanks for being such a great part of the show. Indeed. Well Adam, do you want to get into the episode for today? Yeah, man. It's what we're here to do. Let. Yeah, man. It's what we're here to do. Let's return, man, to what we do best.

As we discuss deep space, nine season four, episode 13, return to grace. Do you realize how many credible this is? No, of course you don't. Do you realize how many credible this is? Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! No, of course you don't. Kira has to do something that I've had to do recently, which is go to the travel clinic and get your vaccinations for going to a developing country. That developing country, the Cardassian Empire.

I don't want to go. I was under the impression that the hyppo spray was a relatively pain free operation. But evidently when they come by the dozen, that is not it. Like it hurts. And she's like doing some neck rubbing. The Klingon invasion all but destroyed the Cardassian health care system. That seems like a war crime. Yeah, it does, doesn't it?

Who lets these... Cardass, who lets these klingons into our country and destroy our... Socialized health system! We have to go to American shitty system where people pass through the nose and don't get as good of coverage. I mean what you don't get to see here is the, I want to say humanitarian problem, but that's that's a slur. Even the name is racist. Federation is no more than a homo sapiens only club. So is the deal that the klingons and the kardacians are kind of at a draw right now? Is it the deal that the klingons and the kardasians are kind of at a draw right now? It seems more skirmishy than a draw and less hot than a hot war, right? Right. Yeah.

It's hard to tell at this point. But yeah, Kira has been kind of cast as an ambassador. I'm no diplomatic. She's got to go help the kardasians with some bejure and intelligence about the Klingons, which is pretty convoluted for this world, right? Like the Klingons are definitely on the outs with the Federation. If a Federation ally is going to go share

a bunch of dirt on the Klingons with the Kardashians. Yeah. This part where Wurf makes her read a thing about all the things that she's not supposed to share on this diplomatic mission feels like such a thrown away bit of business. Yeah. It's almost there only to serve the comedy of Kira needing to throw up after all these shots. Well, I feel like almost every scene with somebody not Kira or DuKat in this episode is

a O'Brien's also here. Right. with somebody not Kira or Dukat in this episode is a... O'Brien's also here. Kind of. You know, like... We can't not put him on screen for exactly a minute. Right, yes. So I kind of felt like that's why... And the way Wharf comes in,

it feels like just like a high school play. He just comes in through the scenery and it's like, all right, I'm here. And then like, that's the kind of part I would always get when I was in the school play. That walk always felt so long to that walk from side stage, which is like 40 steps to your mark. It's why are high school stages so wide? I don't know.

It's too much. It's too much. All you're doing is thinking about how weird your walk looks. The ceilings are also so high. so you can't ever contain a laugh. They just fly off into the rafters. Do you think Kira is a little too specific with how Shakar wooed her into this mission? She really goes and goes. She really gets in there.

She really gets in there and dies, right? I like that. Is it drug related? I kind of feel like this is an enlightened future where I think male co-workers would get this detailed about a adaliance that they had with each other in certain contexts. And I think female co-workers might as well.

But if it's mixed company, it seems like people talk about stuff like this a little bit less and maybe they're just groovy and libertine future people that are like, yeah, he gave me a, you know, he oiled me up and whispered sweet nothing is into my ear and now I'm going on a diplomatic mission to Cardassia. It also seems to me and you and I have been in committed relationships for a long time, Ben.

Yeah. That this is not a thing that a new relationship It also seems to me, and you and I have been in committed relationships for a long time, Ben. That this is not a thing that a new relationship should be subject to. Like Shakar and Kira are experiencing that new love glow, where it shouldn't take this much manipulation to do a diplomatic mission that she doesn't want to do. She should want to do it anyway because it's two weeks in and two people would kill to make the other person happy after that long, right? Right.

So maybe tone it down, Shakar. Like leave yourself a little bit of room later on to impress. I mean, I feel like the writing in this episode really kind of takes your side on the Shakar issue. Like, yeah. Like, he really gets dunked on from afar in this, in this episode. Oh, man. Yeah. I love it. I, I live for that. It's giving you life. Yeah. Well, Carrie is at her

quarters packing up her weekender bag when who should walk in but Gildou caught? Hello, Major. You can't have your back turned to a door on the show and say come in and have it not be the last person you wanna see. That's bad. Gull Du Cot has really been going through it and I say Gull specifically because he's been demoted. Right.

It's almost like a country western song that he's like, My mother disowned me. My wife left me. I'm no longer the chief military advisor to the day top of council. All I do is go on the Gremau, Farion Freight, foreign dignitaries, and on. You've really developed into a great impressionist, Ben. I don't know what that's an impression of. That impression belongs on the dukes of hazard. It sounds like you're trying to arrest Bowen-Luke Duke.

Is it any wonder that Duke Hot was going to get busted down to diplomatic service? He brought home a bajacian bin. And you can't do that. In his land you can't do that. And I mean he's kind of going for like the sad puppy dog sympathy play with Gira. She's not really into it though. Yeah and that's gonna be something to keep an eye on throughout the rest of the episode I think. The degree to which she does in public Kira and in private Kira with someone that she is supposed to hate for a variety of very good reasons. Right, like I think

that their relationship is really different in this episode in a way that felt it really honored the trip they took to the brain slave camp or whatever. They're never going to be like friend friends, but they're familiar with each other. And, you know, like he walks into her quarters and it's not like grab a gun and flip the couch backwards and use it as cover. It's what the fuck are you doing here? They're comfortable in each other's presence.

There's like a comfortable animosity with them that makes scenes where they're together fun, but also tinged with that conflict. Ben do legots where tighter pants thanals because Goldu Kai was famously hanging massive dong in that last episode and dong does not seem to be a character in this episode the way it was before. Yeah well I think part of it is that they're not outside ever so we never get the full sun on growingin that we got in that previous episode he was in. But I think you might be right that that goals are are wearing a slightly looser like a relaxed fit pant. Yeah. And in those great big boots that the goals were more of a jingo gene type of pants versus a slender

narrower cut. Yeah, the the legates are in like a 501. Right. Yeah. The goals are are raving. Do Kata is there to escort Kira to his ship, which is the USS drain cleaner. It's a cargo ship that looks like it's made to get hair balls out of bathroom sinks. Oh, man. I recently had to do the hair ball out of the tub drain. Yeah, I did that less than a month ago. That is, I want to bleach my eyes afterwards. It's bad. It's so, it's so bad. I was at the grocery store with one item in my hand. Drain, you know, like, like liquid plumber basically. Famous comedian Nick Thun at the same grocery

store says, Hey Ben, how you doing? And I was like, just buying some drain cleaner to clean out my tub. It's gonna be great. You will not believe the day I'm about to have, Nick Thune. Yeah. Nick's like, let me stop you there. I'm gonna continue with my day being incredibly cool. It's awesome. Yeah.

Being 10 times funnier and more handsome than everybody. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I was like, how am I not buying something less embarrassing, like tampons or condoms, you know? I'm shocked that you went liquid instead of stick. Stick does not fuck around.

Well, the liquid only worked so well. I mean, it worked a little bit, but then I wound up having to disassemble the drain and really get in there. Ooh, there is a sound that the post drain cleaner hairball makes when it leaves the orifice of a tub. Yeah. I almost want to like roll it in a tarp and bury it in the woods. Like, yeah, like take it out of your house at like 2 a.m. so your neighbors don't see what's going on.

Taya's center block to it and like sink it in the lake. It's fat. Gold to cotton. Gold to cotton. So they're out on their way to this conference and they're on this freighter that DuCott is the captain of and a familiar face is also a board, Adam. Yeah, I never thought we'd see Zial again. Yeah.

She's a going concern, which is great. Yeah. She's only a good bit of foundation away from fitting in on Cardassia, but she seems unwilling to go to Clinique. Oh, whatever. You could be figured out, right? Yeah. You just want to Clinique. Or whatever. To get that figured out, right? Yeah.

You just want to trowel that in. Make yourself a believable nose. I wondered about that because we've seen Troy underwent Romulan corrective surgery at one point. And she believed she was a Romulan for part of that episode. So if what you look like is so compromising in a society like Kardassia, I mean, maybe it's just that like the fact

that DuCott had an illegitimate child is such a scandal in and of itself. There's no like covering up the fact that she's also not fully Kardassian. Yeah. Like everything about her identity is problematic, so even changing what she looks like cosmetically isn't going to help. I also got the feeling from Zial's description of their relationship that he was out and

proud with her, you know? Yeah. We're going to go out to dinner in public. We're going to be together out in the world because there's nothing to be ashamed of. And I think for her to make a cosmetic surgery choice would undermine what they were going for there. I understand that. I just, as somebody who thinks a lot about how great it would be to look different.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I wondered about that choice. And I think you're probably right that like the power move is living in your truth. It is the power move, but an interesting ulterior power move might be to destroy the thing that is bad from the inside by sneaking into it. You know? So like I think there's an opportunity here if Zeeal had thought to take it would be to blend in and change the culture from the inside.

Right. Secretly. But, you know, it's a personal choice to do that, and I get it. Yeah. She and Kira have a really great natural chemistry as characters. I wondered in retrospect, because he all barely had anything to do the last time we met her.

And she's like a pretty central figure in this episode in a way that I'm like, oh, I wonder if they cast her for this, if they knew that this was gonna be a character that they did more stuff with. Yeah. Because she's really good. And they have a great vibe between them.

They're catching up like old friends and it and it makes sense like I imagine they would have spent like some fairly long hours together in that adventure that we didn't see. It's so much more than like occasionally you'll read the story of the reunification of a of a firefighter and someone that they save from a burning building. And it's always like the cool, tearful hug and hang. But this is so much more than that. Like that's really the core of their relationship.

Like Kira freed her from a prison camp. Yeah. But they seem to be less awkward than the thing that's made for a newspaper picture. They have more of a connection than just the one thing. Yeah. They don't get to fully set up a hang though because there's a battle drill happening up on the bridge.

On a freighter? We go up there and despite the fact that this is a fairly dumpy drain cleaner ship, Ducata is running it like a tightly run military vessel, and they're doing target practice on space rocks. I feel like if I were the captain of a dumpy class starship, this is all I would want to do. It would take me so long to hump freight back and forth, because

all I'd be doing is shooting at rocks. Great. What this kind of sets up is a crimson-type dynamic between Kira and DuCat, where DuCat is like trying to run battle drills and she's like, what the fuck? This may be a lowly freighter major, but it's still a military vessel and will be run in a military manner. Kiris, like the fire in the kitchen may reignite. That's not, it's meant to be a good time. Also, the Kirby Silver Surfer is much better than whatever the other one is.

I can't remember right now. I really liked that there were some submarine vibes on this kind of submarine-looking ship, but also that they didn't get totally distracted by that as a genre choice. DuCott is feeling inadequate about the size of his vessel, but he still has enough confidence to ask Kira to dinner. It's a Cardassian tradition, which is like, yeah, I guess it's probably a tradition on most ships. What are you expecting DuCott to provide live task bar eggs?

I thought that would have been a really fun callback. I did too. What are they eating? There's some kind of like large format grape leaf dumpling. Like a giant dolma? Yeah. Who knew the cardacions left Greek food?

Yeah, that dolma, just too big though. Yeah. It was great to bet a Domas, you can walk around and eat it. Yeah, it's like a calzone-sized Doma. DuCat does that thing that people will do with people they're interested in who are already attached, which is make that person They're with seem really awful and so Do you caught us like oh by the way?

Did you know Shakar is one of the great stick men in the resistance? I actually have the records. Yeah Look at all these people he's fucked you were the only female and his resistance sale that he didn't Charm which Kira had to have known, right? This isn't a surprise to her. No, yeah, I mean, it made me wonder, did Shakar do that awful thing that some guys do, which is have sex with women that they don't want

a relationship with and save it for, save it with the ones that they they actually like for you know longer term prospects like relationship edging yeah oh makes me think your car might be a bit of an asshole they strings girls along I don't know I mean Kira didn't like him back then and she said as much that's true to cut raises the point that that she has a bit of a history of dating men who are proximate to or or wield a lot of power. Not a wrong observation by him. Pretty astute actually. And then he kind of pivots into saying like he his ambition is to reassert himself in the Cardassian power structure. And with it more than just implication for the reason

of impressing Kira. Yeah. Like he wants power so that she will like him more. To me, it was less so much that she would like him and more that she wouldn't feel sorry for him. You know, like because there's a great amount of shame involved in being the captain of the USS Drank Cleaner and he's aware of how bad of a look it is. I think they're both closely related, these two themes. He wants her to respect him and like him, and that's hard, as long as he's driving around this rust bucket. I think he wants her to respect him and like him and do him.

Yeah, that seems pretty clear. He never talks about himself as one of the great stickmen, even though those pants don't lie. Yeah. We know that he's he's got the stick for it. But does he know how to use it then? Yeah. It's not just the size of the boat. It's also the motion of the ocean. There dinner gets interrupted by a decloaking cling on bird of prey. Yeah. The the the site where the conference was supposed to be is no more.

It's been wiped off the map and in its place is a decloaking bird of prey that treats Newkot's ship with the amount of respect that he deserves. They treat to cut ship with the amount of respect that the Star Trek Industrial Complex treats our podcast. Yeah. There's no honor in destroying a freighter, just like there's no honor in recognizing us as a show. I thought it was amazing. Like they open fire on these klingons, and the klingons leave without even acknowledging their presence. Yeah. That is ice-cold klingon shit. Yeah.

The bird of prey kind of shows them their whole ass before leaving too. Like they sort of cross-mount the ship and then warp away. Yeah. This is another incident of Star Trek setting a very important diplomatic conference in a super vulnerable, undefended place that doesn't have that many ships around. Hey, you know what would be a great setting for a conference of this kind? Deep Space Nine. It's like the reason you put the UN in New York City. It's in like a very well-established city

in a stable country that doesn't have a lot of power grabs and people being overthrown all the time. Like for whatever, you know, for whatever it's faults, like everybody can get there safely and get out safely. Yeah. They open fire on the Klingons and there's some thought of like, God, we gotta stop this marauding Klingon bird of prey.

Like, this is no good. We can't just let them maraud around. And everybody has a dog in this fight because there were both Cardassian and Bedurin diplomats in the installation that got destroyed. And so Kira is actually writing for, let's go fucking kill these guys. This is the moment in the episode

that you have to suspend your disbelief, right? Because at no point in this episode, does Kira feel like protecting her own life? She launches herself headlong into this mission. She never even hails deep space nine and gives them an update. Yeah, I wish, like, they do pay a little bit of lip service to why it has to be them, like the closest

courtesy and worships her three days away. But I feel like they could have also peppered in how long of a journey it was for the Gromal to get there from deep phase nine, and that would like help us understand how far out on a limb they are. And also understand like why there's so much time to like go down and check out a cargo bay and like talk through the idea of how they're going to defeat these klingons before they actually like have a cogent plan in place because the plan is like we're gonna we're gonna go get the defensive

weapons from this colony and like mount like jury rig them to the ship and and go like set a trap for the klingons but it takes a lot of like talking it through and coordinating to actually get to that being the plan. You are going to have to stop thinking like a Cardassian military officer. I really like to what degree the episode depends on your imagination for this part, because all they give you is the establishing shot of the cargo bay as the place where this weapon will live. But you never see it used outside of the view screen where you see the energy just charge be fired later. And I like that. It's a little bit of television magic here.

They can't afford to show you this later, so they just show you the effect of it. I'm kind of picturing like a broadside, you know? Yeah. Like a cannon mounted in the hull of the ship that shoots out the side of it in the way of a pirate ship on the high seas. I love the idea of them storing it in the cargo bay, opening up the cargo bay door and like using it to fire out of in this way. It seems like a fairly unique idea that I don't know why no one's

thought of it before. I really like it. Not be guard, not be guard, not be guard, not be guard. Exactly. The plan is that, and then also they're getting ready for the idea of either being boarded by the Klingons or going hand-to-hand with the Klingons in some context. So one of the scenes is Kira showing Zeal around a couple of different types of phaser rifle. You started this. Show me everything. Gera is like a full weapon nerd.

Yeah. Didn't this feel to you like, you know, our hit War movie podcast, Friendly Fire? Yeah! Has watched quite a few Vietnam War films. And this felt to me very much like the M16 versus AK47 argument like with the Federation version of the firearm being the M16, which has a ton of bells and whistles and like a bunch of settings and it's a little more complex than the Cardassian AK-47 version, but like you could bury the

Cardassian weapon in the mud and still fire it in the field. It's like rock solid in that same way. Yeah, and an interesting idea to see Kira's kind of dispassion at respect for both approaches to a weapon. Yeah. She's like, these are both great, and in fact, the phaser rifle from the Federation is kind of the Cadillac of guns, but for your purposes, see all like, let's go with the point and shoot AK-47 when you absolutely have to kill every motherfucker in the room, except no substitutes. She's rarely been more like Ripley than she was in this scene, I thought. She's a total badass. Kira is having some mixed feelings about this whole situation

because helping Ducat, because Klingon's killed people is something she can ride for. There's a little bit of a enemy of my enemy as my friend situation. Right. But redemption for Ducat would be good for him and things that are good for Ducat would not be good for Kira. And so she's kind of tortured by this throughout and she kind of goes back and forth

with her attitudes about and at Ducat as the episode plays out. When I look at my father, I have a hard time seeing a murderer and when I look at him, I have a hard time seeing anything else. I would say that she and Zial have like some major disagreements. And the one thing that they can really agree on is how tortured they are by the complexities of Ducat.

Because Zial is arguing for like, he's my dad and he's a great dad. And he did something for me that I could never conceive of, you know, giving back to him. Yeah. But also, Cara is asking her to hold in her mind that Ducat was the boot on the neck of her people for 50 years or whatever. And like, Zial is like, I understand that that's true,

but I have a hard time like incorporating that in my assessment of him as a person because everything he's ever done in my presence has been great, aside from the time he tried to kill me and you talked him out of it. Zial really adds some shading to Ducat's character in this episode in a useful way. They feel test the weapon and, besides some recoil damage, they

deem it ready to go, but the problem is they need to find out where these klingons are going next. And on the bridge, they decide that that place is loval. It's an outpost that looks pretty worthless from the outside, but DuCott says it is secretly valuable, and so that's where they hid. It's secretly a weapons research place and it seems like one of the themes of this episode is that the intelligence that the Klingons have about the Kardassian Empire is actually a lot better than anybody imagined. The problem remains, right? Like if the Burtprey doesn't have any respect for the USS Drain Cleaner, like how do you earn a little bit of that respect? Well, you could make it seem as though your cargo

is filled with something valuable. How does we find the lithium crystal sound? And so that's sort of the plan that they go in with. Like, well, we're gonna play Possum. We're gonna look like a valuable piece on the Game Board and we will make them engages that way. And hopefully the plan would be like they wouldn't see them as a threat. They'd want that tasty, tasty cargo and then at the last moment they would shoot them in the crotch with their homebrew weapon. And the Klingons pull

up to this planet and scan them. It seems like the Klingons pull up to this planet and scan them. It seems like the Klingons do not recognize them as the ship that fired upon them previously. Oh man, that's a great point. I mean, maybe this is like the Honda Civic of starships in this sector or it's just like there's so many of them that you don't differentiate one from another.

You're just like they all are kind of bad at driving Yeah, the Klingons are cargo ship races, aren't they? The plan kind of works perfectly the bird-of-prey decloaks and scans them and and it's captain Ketameg doesn't believe Duke hot when he says they're just transporting Ketemang doesn't believe DuKat when he says they're just transporting Transporter parts a lot of people think Ketemang is a a tranquilizer for horses, but some people use it as a party drug You got to be careful with Ketemang

And when the Burtre prey tractors them the USS strain cleaner licks a couple of shots right into the crotch. And they knock out like impulse engines and weapons. It's not like, it's not enough that they're out of the woods because the the Klingons are able to return fire a bit, but that's not the whole plan. Like we haven't, we were never told the entire plan. Right. And the other told the entire plan. And the other part of the plan is that

Kira and Ducat and Kira and Ducat alone are gonna beam over and physically beat the shit out of every cling on and born. And then beam everybody else. Like they like swap the crews with the transporters. This is great. What a fun plan. This is some fun Star Trek combat techniques that I feel like are new in this episode, you know. It gives us a little bit of column A, which is

the Star Trek fight, and a little bit of column B, which is like a very interesting switcheroo. Yeah. And so the Klingons like materialize on the bridge of the drain cleaner. And DuCott gets up to the bridge of the bird of prey. And like the iPad is still unlocked and open. And he hits the go button and takes out his old ship. Yeah, pretty rugged. Got to upgrade himself. Didn't like that ship anyway. Didn't like it at all. It's just a sickening explosion of wet hair. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Yeah, it's a great feeling. I mean, outside of seeing a bunch of Klingon's die,

perhaps unnecessarily, like the takeover of a bird of prey, like this feels very triumphant. Yeah. And Tukat is just too mescent over his achievement. Like, he is like, he's seeing his promotion now. Like, there's so much value on that unlocked iPad, on the bridge, like they see the entire plan for these Klingon Raiders Yeah, so he's like there's no way that that the that the cardassians are gonna keep me bus down

Working these chicken shit operations like I'm gonna be back into tight pants before I know it I can already feel the restrictive pants. Here is like enthusiastic about this. She's like, she's nerding out about all of the intelligence that they're getting off of this computer also. This is a thing the TV shows do, right? The more confident you are about an outcome, the less likely that outcome is to be. It felt like it was going to be the end of the episode. Like, we had an adventure and it ended in a win for everyone. And it's not. There's still

like 10 minutes of episode left. Yeah, I was very surprised by that. And that is a, that is a looming 10 minutes here. I think that's a bad sign if you're going to cut, right? Right. He looks at the runtime of the up and he's like, oh, no. He looks down at the little, little playhead moving across the screen. Oh, no major.

He's like, I'm going to go make my demands in the ready room. I'll be back in a second and there's like an elliptical edit that shows a passage of time that lets us know that the FaceTime does not go well and surprise. LAUGHTER Because he emerges from his room all backly and slouchy and he's sad, he's sad to cut now. because he emerges from his room all backlit and slouchy. And yeah, he said, he said to cut now.

I really know that feel, right? The thing where you're like, this is really gonna like make things at work better. Yeah. I'm gonna go in for my annual review. I'm gonna let my boss know about some things that I think really improve the situation around here. And going forward, it's all going to be better.

I'm so optimistic about this. And yet your boss does not hear the things that you would like to see changed. And in fact, kind of rebukes them. I can think of about a dozen times that's happened in my professional life where, you know, you make a really strong case for a thing. Yeah. And the dismissal is always budget, right? Yeah. Well, like eight of those times were probably you talking to me about something we could do with the show. Yeah, it's a real bummer. Yeah, I really suck as a partner. I feel do-cat in the scene. Which one is Ducat?

Like, which one's got the bigger dong? Oh, man. I don't want to know the answer to that. I don't think that a podcast partner should know each other's dick size. Fair enough. Let's never discuss it again. So Ducat, like, after taking one really on the nose with this FaceTime, emerges with

kind of a counterplan. He momentarily is like really upset about his circumstances and that, and this doesn't just go for Ducat personally. It goes for the Cardassian people. He sees his race as beaten and defanged. What is the point of being a military advisor to a government that won't fight? And he kind of ramps himself up into a like first contact Picard person here. Like he's the only one that knows how to make them war like again.

He really does, yeah. And he finally gets himself into the point where he's like, you know what, I alone can fix this. Starting here and on this bird of prey, like we can do some recruiting, we can get a resistance going and guess who's great at resistance? It's Major Kira. If only Kira would be like my exo on this, I think we could really put this thing back together. You're not an organizer, resistance cell, you're an expert in terrorist tactics, you have close ties with pejorin and federation officials and besides all that,

it would give you a chance to do what you were meant to do. No thanks. I've already got a job. Oh, I thought her performance in this was great because he is like, he is really laying it on thick and you don't get anything from her in terms of like being tempted even in the slightest. He does that thing though where he fills up all of the oxygen with his own words, like he doesn't give her a chance to say no by continuing to make the case. Yeah. It's a really long mug monologue by Mark Alamo here.

Like, it's a lot to read and he does it great. He sucks up all the oxygen in the room out of insecurity, right? Like it's right. Right. If I let her say something, she'll talk herself out of it and I'm talking her into it. Right. Can't let her do that. Can't let her.

And so, I mean, I think eventually he's interrupted by Demar, one of his lieutenants and has to, you know, leave her with a think about it major. But it's pretty clear in that moment that he is not going to get the thing that he wants. No. But even though what he wants is Kira to be his right hand, Kira, like the mission will continue. He's going to go out and do this. And Kira sees this as an opportunity to freeze the all from what could be a

pretty terrible future. Like Kira knows what it's like to live as a part of the resistance. She knows what it did to her and it's damage that she continues to realize as she lives her life. Like, Zial has not been corrupted by her circumstances, even though they were awful in that prison camp. And she doesn't want resistance to be a part of her story. And so her counter proposal is, why don't you let me take Zial back to DS9? Like the episode really makes you think about what Zial's life

has been like up till now. Yeah. And Kira's sympathy for that and outrage over that is so real. Yeah. Like the fact that she lived in a prison camp until she was like 19 or whatever and then had to go live on a planet that hated her guts for what she represented. She's known nothing but hate and so little love. It's such an amazing switcheroo that after DuCat tried so hard to persuade Kira of a major life

change that she is able to persuade him again of a major life change. It's a good and selfless thing that Kira is doing here in offering to rescue ZL, but it has the consequence of George leaving his hat behind at his girlfriend's apartment because... I do believe behind. Keys, gloves, scoff. I go back to her place to pick it up. Date number two.

Now she's stuck with DuCat as a part of her life. Like as long as she's the custodian for this girl. Right. Uh, they're always going to be in touch. And this is something that DuCat relishes. But Kira is willing to pay that price to do the right thing for Zial. Yeah, the button on the episode is the Berderprey decloaking at at DS9 and it's all being dropped off with Kira. And Odo gets that it's a long story sort of conclusion to the episode. Like, who is this? We don't have time! Look at the run time of this episode Odo.

We don't have time to go into it. I'll tell you later. Yeah. Fine. This is my only line of dialogue Also, I'm weirdly not strange around you after the last episode All of the pain I was going through at the end of the last episode has dissipated and we just have a normal relationship now Wait, is this who I'm supposed to have meetings with now? relationship now. Wait, is this who I'm supposed to have meetings with now? Some sort of meeting surrogates? I'll see if I can fall in love with her instead. I hope she likes piping

hot, racked a Gino. If she can do that same O face, when she drinks it. I think we'll get along major. Morning, morning, morning, Steve, sweet, morning, morning, morning, in here, buddy, Morning, stop, have a time. Did you like this episode, Ben? I really did. This feels like one of those ones

where like they're like it starts feeling like a, who gives a shit? This won't be a consequential episode. Episodes. And then it really got its hooks in me and I was on the edge of my seat. And I think the story structure is really good and when the twists happen,

they're surprising and engaging and compelling. I really liked it. Yeah, it really felt small to me throughout. Almost to the degree that like when we get back to DS9, I was shaken by the scale change because you know, for so much of the episode, we're on that tiny ship, we're on the Cots tiny ship, or we're on the Burda Prey,

and it's fairly claustrophobic in both areas But the story itself is also a small story too like it involves these three characters and it's really well and efficiently told I would say that my main criticism of the episode is that like they never talk at all about what happened in the Klingon Empire that like I don don't know if like the, if they had like some kind of engineering breakthrough or science breakthrough or whatever, but like birds of prey don't have chain dragging sound effects on them anymore. Yeah, that was a software upgrade. One technology that's never changed for us, Ben, is a priority one message message inbox you want to see what we have over there? I do Priority one message from star fleet coming in on secured channel Need a supplement on top of the moon couple supplement

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there's like five seconds of establishing shot before they beam in. And it is clearly like the oil fueled boiler room that powers the ship. And it's a couple of klingons tending to it and one klingon just taking a break. Just sitting on his ass, waiting to be Star Trek fought. And the klingon just sitting, waiting to be Star Trek fought.

And the Klingon, just sitting, waiting to be beaten up, that's my Shimoda, because they beam in and he's like, what the, whoa? And then, do she gets like thrown into the furnace? Yeah. That guy's not paying attention. On the contrary, this is a man who wants to die with honor, seeing a great opportunity for that.

Yeah, okay. It's still a Shimoda move. He's an entrepreneur, he sees an opportunity. Yeah, he sees a need. It's going to fill it. What about you, Ben? Adam, my dream Shimoda is Kira. There's that moment of dejection where he comes back and he's like,

they're going to make me the chief military advisor to the top of council again. They're not gonna upgrade me to some kind of war fighting legate because they're so peace-oriented. Kira's way of comforting him is, like, we'll take the job and go back and try and convince them to become more militaristic. I understand that she's like trying to comfort him,

and I believe that she would try and comfort him. But also counseling him to lobby for a more militaristic footing for Cardassia is not in character, and it's insane. And... Yeah, she should not be writing for that. Yeah. I think this is one of those episodes that makes Kira into more of a giving kind person than what is maybe true to her motivations, essentially.

Yeah. And it works in advancing the story, but I mean, I think this is consequential stuff when you're shading in some of her lines, you know. Yeah. This is an evolving situation, I think this is consequential stuff when you're shading in some of her lines, you know? Yeah, this isn't evolving situation, I think. Gotta keep her eye on this evolving situation Greatest gen live show is something you don't want to miss. Why? Well, it's a great opportunity to see me and Ben in person, but that's not all. FODs from all over gather at these shows to cosplay, to do pre and post show hangs,

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I see you I see you type setting nerds Yeah, Tony Todd is this is second time on the show this season Oh, mean, we're not supposed to talk about the first time he appeared this season, Ben. Oh, no. That didn't go well for anyone. But yeah, I think so. Looking forward to it. Do you want to tell us how we're going to be doing this episode, Adam? Gotta do that.

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