The Greatest Generation - Lennying It to Death (DS9 S2E5)

Episode Date: March 26, 2018

When a Cardassian boy bites Garak, it’s hard to blame him. But when Sisko and Bashir investigate further, their digging into the child’s Ancestry.com profile reveals some troubling facts w/r/t the "warphanages" on Bajor. Is the costume department “hattero-normative”? Does Gul Dukat watch the show? Are those Nilla Wafers? It’s the episode that thinks things are bathrooms that aren’t bathrooms!

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I'm Ben Harrison. Ben, we're spicing up season two of Deep Space Nine, like a spouse that's come home with a sex swing. You've introduced the idea of a board game to our podcast and- Game of occasion is really the future, Adam. It's one of the ways we're disrupting our own show, right? Yeah, we've pivoted to a board game. You want to disrupt the dominant podcast paradigm. And here we are by landing on the Coco Nono Square, right? Like if you're a McElroy, you make an amazing Dungeons and Dragons

podcast that has millions of listeners. If you're Ben and Adam, you make a crappy board game in Google Docs and force yourself to drink to excess. That's us. You never feel like we're getting in our own way. No. Why don't we start the show and case anyone would like to participate with us in this? Maybe we can talk about what we're drinking for today's pod. So we decided since Coco No No is not a real drink, we just decided to go with a classic coconut-based cocktail. And what we're drinking today is a painkiller, which is two ounces of pusher's rum. I think neither of us is using that. We're substituting either Demerara or Spiced Rum.

But a brown rum, you know, not white rum. And then four ounces pineapple juice, ounce of orange juice, ounce of cream of coconut. And you throw all that in a blender with some ice and blend it up, baby. And then we put them in these beautiful coconuts that our friend Ann Kilser said this. Yeah, I did a little bit of a variation on that painkiller.

I love a painkiller. I think you and I have had many of them together, even, but you mentioned that that cream of coconut is really sweet and you're not wrong about that. So I actually substituted coconut milk entirely for that cream of coconut. It really knocked down the sweetness that I thought I was gonna get,

and I also whipped it in a blender, because that's fun. So what I've got on my desk is like, I've got one half of Ann Kilser's coconut bra holding part of my drink, and then much like when you get a milkshake at a diner, you get the metal tin. The sidecar, yeah.

I've got the sidecar of more than half of what I made in the blender. So we've got a lot to go through. I pre-mixed four of these. And so I'm gonna have to run and get extra when the tag comes. You're saying I'm gonna be doing the credits to the time comes. You're saying I'm gonna be doing the credits to the show later.

Ben in absentia. Yeah, RSVP. Not in absentia, in memoriam. Right. That's too bad. I'll carry the flag for you, Ben. Thanks, dog. It's a great drink. I did a similar thing.

I did an unsweetened coconut cream, and I added a little simple syrup to it myself to make it a very lightly sweet coconut edition, but not the like sweetened crema de coco, like your cocoa Lopez is way sweeter than sugar syrup, even it's crazy. It's really like Mario Lopez, it's like, it's like just two sweeps. You wanna level that thing out a little bit. I think that's really smart. Like, that's coming from a guy who has reps on a real live cocktail podcast. Like, that's

an experienced move right there. It's a lot like, like, if you oversalt food, you can't take it out later. Like, if you oversweet a cocktail, you're really kind of stuck unless you want to dilute it out. Right. Or... Or add lots and lots of the other ingredients. You know, add more booze and more everything else. So anyways, if you're gonna go on a date with Christy Hensha on the holiday, you could do a lot worse than this pain killer recipe. Yeah, it's the truth. It's really good.

Good call on the pain killer, man. But no weird Russian violinist, right? That's not a good move. Christie's not gonna enjoy that. No, like no your audience. Read the room, Jordy. Yeah. What the fuck?

I'm on memory alpha. Uh-huh. It says, a cocoa no-no is typically coconut milk and gin, served in a hollow half of a coconut shell. That sounds terrible. Uh, do you have those ingredients? I-yeah, I guess I do. What's the proportion?

It does not say here. Um. I'm going to go up and make, and make an ounce of gin, ounce of coconut milk, and I'm gonna come back. You wanna do the same? All right, got it. Let's taste test this shit. All right. I feel like- Oh no!

It's becoming a little bit more clear why this date did not go super well. This is a drink that looks as bad as it tastes. Like mixing it in the glass was a real like, what would happen if you poured glue into water situation? This has the consistency and appearance of ostrich cum. It's a cocoa oh no. And flavor wise, not far off from ostrich cum either. It has a really weird smell.

Like it does not smell like gin or coconut milk. Right, it's like when you eat a bunch of asparagus and then you pee, it doesn't smell like pee or asparagus. It smells like something else. You know, I tried it again and I feel like I've had cocktails this bad before. Ha ha ha ha ha probably blocked them. Like they're probably the cocktails you make for yourself in college when you don't know how to make cocktails. Like what are the things that I can get from 7-Eleven? Right. And everything is a half and a half. Like

I went through years that way. Like it's always half liquor, half mixer, right? Yeah. Not always. New. The saddest thing about this drink at him is that I'm probably gonna finish it. Oh. I don't know if you have this. I have like this really like almost pathological aversion to waste, where like if I cook myself a big meal and it's bad, like this happened to me the other night. I cooked myself, like my wife was out having dinner with her folks for the evening. How you managed to wiggle out of that dinner is a story for another time, I guess.

So I went and bought a fancy pork chop and I cooked it for myself. And as I was eating from one side toward the other, and as I got closer and closer to the bone, the more I suspected that this meat had gone bad. Oh no. And it was like so, I took so many more bites than I should have at that point like I was like I you know

I feel like this part's probably okay, but like a little bit further. Maybe not so much. Ah whatever. I'll try it You know like Ben meat isn't like cheese. You can't just cut around it I I live in a world where you came and I also spent like $17 on this piece of meat and I didn't want it to go to waste. Oh, and did you get the grumblies after? I have a very ironclad tem tem and I did not suffer any consequences. This is the one of the ways that you are in and I am yang. Like digestively. We are not simpatico like I wish we were roommates so that we could

we could time our periods. I want my I want my tone to be more like yours. Then. I think what we would have to do is sleep in the same bed so that our colon flora would cross pollinate. I really like how we tour and that we never talked about it, but we have always gotten separate hotel rooms. And now, that's what we do. We have not and will not discuss it.

I was telling my wife about how we tour and how we barely talk to each other most days when we're not on stage. And she thinks that we are so weird. You talk about your own pathology. I pathologically do not want to kill this goose that we've created on accident, to the degree that I won't even give it affection out of the danger of like,

lanying it to death, like a fucking rabbit. Yeah, you don't know your own strength. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's just like such a terrible father. I think the disillusion of most of my friendships can probably be tracked back to that feeling. There's something profoundly wrong with me, Ben. Well, Ed, we've got ourselves a very silly premise for the episode today, which is that we are going to drink a bunch of cocoa-no-nose.

We wound up randomly selecting this for a pretty serious episode. Do you want to get into it? Yeah, I think we should. Let's go ahead and get into season 2, episode 5. Kurdashianch. Are you realize how incredible this is? No, of course you don't. I feel like we take heaven everywhere with us. When there's a, when there's a symbol in the title, we're obligated at this point.

Right. So we're retconning a little bit here that, that's over the like intervening 20 episodes or whatever, Garrick and Bashir have developed a regular breakfast hang type relationship. Really, Doctor. Must we always play this game? I could have used this as a cold open for all 20 episodes.

Yeah. How great would that be? That'd be fun. Something I kind of covet too. Like I to I go get a coffee at a place near my house most days If I had like if I had like some folks there that I could you know predict Seeing and and having a hang with I feel like I'd like that I Think all I've ever wanted to be is a regular at a place.

Yeah. But it's in such contrast to the other feeling I have, which is like I want to be left alone most of the time. Yeah, right. Like I want to be greeted like norm from cheers, but then I just want to be alone. Yeah, don't you see that I have these headphones in? Ha ha ha ha.

Um, this scene is a real feast for the eyes, Ben. Did you see the background actors behind this year? Yeah, I did with the crazy computer heads. I was trying to figure out what their deal was because on the one hand, they look like they're wearing manhole covers as headwear. I feel like they are Wisconsin sports fans, but from the future, you know, and it's techno cheese. That they're right. One of them had straps, and I was wondering if that was their luggage,

and like, and culturally, that was just how they carried it. Oh. Did you think it was loaf? No, I think it's a hat. Yeah, it's gotta be a hat. You gotta compute a hat. I don't wanna be had a row normative

about what I'm seeing back there. But it's pretty silly, Ben. It's super silly and it's so silly they don't even have the confidence to put them in the foreground and sharp focus. Like they're always in the deep background. But sheer has gotten in this retroactive situation where he and Garrick are always good time buddies.

Bashir's confidence level has really come a long way. Like he is really trading jabs with Garrick and is not nervous and like is very at ease with the kind of subterfuge and subtlety with which Garrick communicates. I sort of got a friend of me who's vived from them too. You know, in that they they take the piss out of each other back and forth, but they go a little harder than friends only.

Right. Like there feels like there's a little bit of animus there that fuels some of that stuff. Yeah, it's like tennis, like they're rallying at the tennis court. They're not keeping track of the points, but they are keeping track of the points a little bit. I really like Garrick, and I'm glad he's back. Yeah, Garr it's fun. So they spot this, like, a group of people coming out of an airlock and it's a big fat guy with like light switches all over his jacket and nill away from something.

Did you agree with that fat guy with light switches all over his jacket? Did you ever head that's covered in late judicial oversting? Yeah, is he ever had discovered in Neil Wafers? Would you help me move my coach? Would you eat my head cookies? I eat my head cookies so fucking much. It's like he's got sardine cans all over him. Yeah. And the two people he's with is a,

like a bejure and dad and a Cardassian boy, but the Cardassian boy is wearing a beijor get-up. I think he might even be wearing the, the like knitted coat thing that Kiro was wearing when she was having her monastery hang. Oh. I'm guessing that that's the same piece of wardrobe. I think, correct me if I'm wrong,

this is the first time we've seen a Cardassian youth. Yeah, I think you may be right. Was there a Cardassian baby at some point? Maybe. Well, anyways, they all go sit down in the same cafe that Bashir and Garrick are sitting in. And Garrick is quite fascinated by the fact that there's a Cardassian boy and goes up and really creepily complements the dead on his fine young boy. What a handsome young man you have here. really creepily compliments the dad on his fine young boy.

What a handsome young man you have here. And put this hand on the kid's shoulder and the kid very reasonably defends himself from this creepy man who's touching him by biting Garrick on the hand. Yeah, I got to say Ben, I was on team Cardassian kid right away. Right away. I mean, like, I cannot imagine as a parent just being in public with my child and somebody

coming up and putting their hand on that child's shoulder and saying, what a fine young boy. Yeah, it's fucked up. How do you read this? Is this the writers not knowing what an appropriate way of interacting is? Or is this like alien, would this be appropriate on Cardassia, but it's not appropriate on Bayjor? By the end of the episode, I think this would be come more clear. But after having seen the episode and coming back to the beginning, I think that Garrick is playing his story 40 moves ahead.

And part of me thinks he wants this to happen. Wow. So he's like, what does he think is, what do you think is going to happen when you like punch a pit bull in the mouth? Like, like he knows, he knows culturally who this kid is. What do you think is gonna happen when you punch a pit bull in the mouth? Like he knows culturally who this kid is. We find that out later. What does he think is going to happen when, as a cardassan, he rolls up to him in the replamat and puts a hand on his shoulder.

I think he's hoping for this. Yeah, that's, I like that read. Yeah, I mean, the idea of a character who can, like, spot a kid like this and throw this amount of intrigue into motion by just being a little bit creepy is fun because this sets off like an international incident. Yeah. God, this fucking gin and coconut milk shit is so ass.

I have let mine be and it's already turned into salad dressing like it is reverted back into its component parts. Not good, Ben. No. I'm also like, I'm clean plate club on food, but I'll leave a quarter of a beer behind. I'll leave a cocktail behind if I don't like it or if it's not good. I don't have the same compulsion as you with the drinks.

I gotta finish it, because it's so expensive. Yeah. No, why? Real a version to waste. I want to like Garrick and I don't like that he keeps doing creepy shit. Yeah let's get some fun Garrick that isn't involved in being a total creeper. Well by saying that I'm saying like you can have an inciting incident without him being a creep show about it. Yeah. Yeah. It was their way he could have played this that would have said everything off in a way where it wasn't a gross, you know, breaking the touch bubble and being too familiar with a stranger's child situation?

Well, I mean, there are all sorts of social interactions that can go bad in a public place. I mean, if they're in a place that serves food, I could imagine that they could get in line at the repulomate and have words with each other or like, Rugal could regard Garex order in a condescending way. And then that could start an argument. or like, Rugal could regard Garek's order in a condescending way, and then that could start an argument.

It feels like something argumentative could have the same amount of weight as boy bites man. We come to know that Rugal really hates cardacians, but I guess Garek can't possibly know that yet, right? Or does he? Um, I guess Garrick can't possibly know that yet, right? Or does he? Heeey! Like I keep going back to the idea of like there's the public Garrick and then there's the the private Garrick that seems to

know so much more than than meets the eye. Yeah. He's like a Cardassian that can turn himself into a tape recorder. Who is that sound wave? Sound wave. Yeah. After the opening credits, there's a thing. There's a moment that I love Ben, and I don't know if you notice these the way I do, but like,

when an actor's credit lines up with their appearance on screen in a fun way, like that seems totally happenstance. Right. Uh, Mark Alamo, like his credit shows up the moment before he appears on FaceTime with Cisco as DeCat. Cool. Does that have a name? It feels like it happens.

It doesn't happen a lot, but it happens enough that I notice it, and it feels like you should have a name. Bingo happens enough that I notice it and it feels like you should have a name Bingo yeah, I like it. Yeah, so Bashir like runs up onto it into the Opps section and it was like guys get a load of this the tailor just got bit by a kid another unsatisfied customer He always cuts the pants too long. It was being a total creep. And Cisco's like, you're the doctor. What are you doing here? You were with him. Yeah, and like, like, Odo's already out the door.

And that's basically the last we see of Odo. Right, he goes audio only the rest of the app. And another, I guess, cash saving move? Yeah, I don't know. Kira and Dax are also basically not in the episode. Like they have like two or three lines each. That's a single day for both of them. It seems like Kira would have a lot of feelings about this, right?

I found myself really missing her part of the story. That said, it's a pretty dense episode, so it might have had to be a two-parter if they'd given Kira a really big storyline. Cisco has literally just gotten this download from Bashir and he walks into his office and Gilducat is there on FaceTime having gotten briefed on the exact same thing. Like, like, Guldukot seems to have known this before Cisco even, maybe. It's as if the cameras that we've asked Odo to install have been installed by Guldukot. They already exist.

They're just going to one place and it's not Odo's office. Do cats watch in all these episodes? Yeah. Well, what comes out of this is that there are dozens of Cardassian war orphans still on Bajor. Cardassian kids that got left when the occupation packed up and went home. Do you want to take that again? Saying the portmanteau that is right there, it's right there Ben. They're warfins! Warfins! I mean if anybody's a warfin it's warf. Right. If anyone's a warfin it's Alexander

who has a dad but not really I've dabbled in word play at him, but I'll leave mostly that to you It's the one thing I know how to do on this show The noise that DuCotta is making is that he like is Personally really upset about this war or friend situation and is looking for ways to solve it. And as with everything Ducat related, you can't really be sure if what he's saying is what he means. Yeah, assumes that there's an ulterior motive. It's as if he's a Romulan.

It's always three-dimensional chess with Ducat. So the backstory with Rugal is that he's a war orphan. He went to an orphanage and then was adopted by Bajoran parents and these parents, and his dad specifically, who we've met on the station, has sort of programmed him to hate cardacians. Yeah, he's a... And so that was the reason that he bit Garrick and the Reppelmaa is that, as he fucking hates Cardassians and everything they stand for.

Do you know how many Bajorans the Cardassians murdered during the occupation? Over ten million. Right. He's going to Bajoran schools and hearing about the atrocities and he's like, fuck these people. I am, I may be racially Cardassian, but I'm culturally Bejorin. Yeah, he strongly identifies as Bejorin having, like, basically no connection to anyone from Cardassia. Like, Eric might be the first Cardassian he's ever seen, you know,

outside of the other Cardassian orphans. Right. you know, outside of the other Cardassian orphans. Right. Gold to cotton, the cup, gold to cotton. So... And so, they... because of DuCott's... uh... Facetime, they have to start this investigation.

And... like, the first person they talk to is the dad. And... the dad really defends his decision to... raise... Rugal the way he has been raising him. We told him the truth commander, the truth about what Cardassia did to Bejor. He seems like one of the more interesting characters caught up in this whole thing,

and he unfortunately gets two scenes almost back to back and then he's gone. Right. But I wanted to know more about his deal because Yeah, does do they have like a really loving and affectionate relationship like that would have been interesting when To say you know, I can't decide whether or not he raised Rugal Like at him as a form of, I don't know, revenge. Or if he's raising him out of love in the best way he knows how in a, in a Bajoran tradition that just happens to hate cardacians as a rule.

Like his motivation could be more interesting, but we just don't know exactly what it is. And, and, and that's never resolved. Right. Not only that's never resolved. Not only is it never resolved, but by the time the episode resolves, we never see the consequence for him. Yeah, like if he had been like really torn up, by the way, it resolves, it would have been really interesting.

Yeah. So the next person they talk to is the guy with all the Sergine Cans on his jacket. And this dude has a kind of weird story. Like he's like really good friends with the dad, but also thinks the dad is abusive because of the way Rougal's been raised to hate cardacians. It must be torture for that boy living like that. the way Rougal's been raised to hate Cardassians. It must be torture for that boy living like that.

There's another plot hole here too, which is like, I have no idea why these two are friends. Yeah. Like even a single sentence of dialogue would have held. Like Rougal's dad doesn't like to gamble, so he bank rolls Zolan so he can win a dabbo. Like anything here would be useful to tie them together, but there's, or like, they're neighbors.

Tell me they're neighbors, even. Right. But they don't even say that. Yeah. Did you interpret those Nila Wafers on top of this guy's head as part of his head, or as like some kind of Yamaka or something? Yeah.

Because it's like, he's got like a ring of hair, but then there's like, it looks like, you know, when you slide open a package and nila wafers. And I wonder like, if that's his brain. Ugh. Maybe that's why he's so good at dap-o. He can see all the angles. Brains huge.

Here's a reason why we bring up the character character of Zolan like we do is that he's basically the only witness to their relationship and he as much as as a Rugal biting garrick is kind of another inciting incident. He's the he's the only one who goes out and says, yeah, something's fucked up with father and son over there. Maybe you should look into that. Yeah, but also I'm like helping the dad try and get a job like, what's the? Yeah, complicated. And based on one person's accusation, like it spins the entire story out from there, but

sheer takes this knowledge is this go. Yeah. And now it's actionable. Yeah. And they separate Rugal from his adoptive, pejoran father. Go on, Rugal. We'll talk tomorrow. And put him in probably the worst household on the station that he could possibly be put in. The house of Miles Edward O'Brien noted Cardassian racist, I am Chief Miles Edward O'Brien. This is fucking spectacular. God, it really feels like I'm hating the episode, but this is another, like,

why else do you do this except to choose the biggest conflict instead of choosing the truth of the character or the plot? Yeah, this is a choice a writer would make, not a choice that like an actual station of administration would make. And I think it's really interesting that like Rugal is taken away from his dad not because he assaulted someone in public. Nobody's accusing you of a crime, Rugal. You're not being arrested. But it's just the idea that his dad may be programming him.

Yeah, I mean, it's got like the weird overtones of the diplomatic needle that Cisco is trying to thread. You know, he's trying to keep the cardacity and the pejorins happy and that is not necessarily easy given the scenario. And because you can't take a piss on Deep Space 9 without Goldu-Cott seeing how your dick is. They get to cut back on the FaceTime to talk about why the hell there are these orphans on Beijor and why. these orphans on Beijor and why and to kind of demours. He's like, look, I was I know I was I was involved. I was part of the occupation and it's it's a real sad tragedy that we left these kids behind. I don't like it any more than you do but I

think there's something we could do to fix this and Bashir kind of walks into ops and interrupts this go on the FaceTime. I have a question. Which creates a fun production thing. Like when you see Ducat look to the left. Right, there's eyeliner. Like it's not FaceTime. It is like, it is some kind of 3D television situation. That's fun.

Yeah. I mean, it's like, I mean, it is, I feel like it's the right thing in television, but it's also, it's got the same problem as the hologram facetime that they have on Discovery where characters like walking around and sitting on chairs as holograms, and it's like, so what? Are you in a room that is configured exactly the same

as this room somewhere? Like what is that? Right, and so Bashir finding to cut answers unsatisfactory tells Cisco that he's lying, and Cisco rightfully is like, how do you know that? And Bashir says that Garrick told him, and Garrick becomes the second witness to this whole thing. So far the entire story hangs on Garrick's word and Zolens word. Right. Garrick and Zolens, the two most trustworthy characters the show has ever introduced.

Right. Yeah, so Garrick's like the pitch that Garrick has made to the doctor is that there's something fishy about the idea of Cardassian war orphans in the first place because Cardassians are so meticulous and detailed oriented. They're real, the Adam Pranakas of space. Fuck you! Why did that thought it insults? Fuck you. Why? That's not an insult. Ben, we need a little more trust but verify, I think, right? So yeah, like Cisco is not psyched that Bashir broken on the, on the FaceTime there, but

I think he's intrigued by the yarn that Bashir is spinning. But once he does want to like run some of this down and make like verify it for themselves. The reason Kira isn't in the ops is because if she were, she'd be saying nothing but what the fuck? Really? Like, she'd be a great viewer proxy right now. Yeah, she's really stuck in the back. She's really been stuck on the sidelines in this episode. Sucks. Yeah.

And stuck on the sideline so that we could have scenes like the next one, which is Keko has been hanging out with Molly and Rugal all day, and O'Brien comes home to find out that his daughter has been playing with this Cardassian and has like a racism tantrum. Gentleman was brought out of these Cardassians a long time ago. That Keko very, definitely, scolds him on. That was a very ugly thing you just said. And then she pulls some Zabu meat stew out of the replicator. And she is the only one that is down to try this.

Here's one thing I want to ask you in a delicate way is because Keko is the audience for O'Brien's Cardassian racism and the actress who plays Keko Asian. Does that help reinforce how fucked up O'Brien's racism is? Because he's saying something like that in front of her. I felt that way. I don't know. It's hard to know in the context of the 24th century, right? Cause like the, the stated reality, not necessarily the depicted reality, but the stated reality is that racism and sexism have been defeated at this

point in human history. So the, the idea like, you know, like they on TNG always run into situations where they like are in the holodic in the past or on some planet that has different social mores and they're like surprised and and perplexed by sexism or racism. So like and those are starfleet officers who are trained to be involved in, you know, alien species. Kekos just a botanist. I mean, on the one side, what O'Brien said is super fucked up. Yeah.

But on the other side, in a practical sense, like, it's not fun to come home from work to that kind of surprise. And so that doesn't forgive O'Brien's racism. Yeah. But like it is a big fucking surprise when he comes home to dinner and he's he sees someone that he's been at war against. Yeah. And I don't think it's cool that Kako didn't at least prepare him for that. I'm not saying that I'm not saying that to forgive what O'Brien said, which is fucked up. And I'm not saying that to hate on Keko, but like practically, there's a way that you can make that better. Yeah.

And like everything else between Keko and O'Brien, they don't choose the softest path. Here's a question. Is the stew gross or is O'Brien's racism and Rougal's self-loathing so strong that they don't like it because it's a cardacium thing because Kaco seems to like it. I feel like Kaco's eating it at O'Brien. O'Brien also, we know that O'Brien does not have a terribly adventurous palate. I don't think we've ever gotten a scene where he's enjoyed Kiko's cooking or choice at the replicator.

No, he only enjoys Irish food. Yeah, it looks like a real cream of green mushroom soup that they're eating. And neither O'Brien or Rugal are willing to engage the Cardassian culture culinary. And they sort of cheers their bowls of stew and pushing them away from themselves. Yeah. Rugal comes back late at night, I think it is. And O'Brien is up burning the midnight oil, doing some computing.

And Rugal is like appropriately scared about the future. He's like a young kid who's been separated from his dad and it seems like what's gonna happen to him has been not only taken entirely out of his control, but also nobody is really talking to him about it. And so he's really worried. And O'Brien is not the guy that you necessarily want So nobody is really talking to him about it. And so he's really worried. And O'Brien is not the guy that you necessarily want to be there to ask for some comfort in

a situation like that. But Rugal doesn't have anybody else. And this is like maybe my favorite scene in the episode because it's sort of O'Brien like having to show some humanity to this kid and in so doing like unraveling some of the bad stuff that He has inside of him Kids talk to each other so much differently than kids talk to adults that I really missed Jake Cisco in this episode Yeah, I think

Rugal would have talked to him Far more differently than he talks to someone who clearly hates him. Yeah. I think Rugal would have talked to him far more differently than he talks to someone who clearly hates him. Yeah. Like, this is not the time for an O'Brien breakthrough. You know? Yeah. Like, this is not going to happen here. It's not going to happen here, but it does kind of like lay some interesting groundwork, I think. I really like that O'Brien speaks to him practically about like Rugal's own agency and what Rugal may or may not feel with regard to that. Right.

Like O'Brien's actually a very good counselor in this moment. Totally. Like you don't just have to go with where the wind blows, you can actually choose a side here. And that's like exactly what this kid needed to hear. To be quite honest about it, that was an apparel. I'm fucking an apparel. Mr. Bucket, I have to refer to back to my dead state school. No, I don't use the bucket anymore.

So the next scene, but she's sleeping in his bed and kind of tossing and turning and wakes up and garrick is in his room. Did I ever tell you I avoided being peed on in college by a roommate? No. I was roommates in freshman year with someone who was a piss drunk. Oh, like a guy who came, came and thought things were bathrooms that weren't bathrooms? and came and thought things were bathrooms that weren't bathrooms? Yes, exactly. And so after, after a particularly crazy bender, we had retired back to the dorm room to go to what I thought was a restful sleep.

And a couple hours later, like, I don't know if you have one of these, I sure do, but like my proximity alarm went off as a person. Like I was in dead sleep, and I could feel that someone was near. And so I woke up to my roommate, like standing over my bed. My roommate standing over my bed, like, he had gone to sleep in his clothes, I think, just as I have, and was like undoing his buckle. Wow.

And I was like, name redacted. What are you doing? What are you doing here? Like I got out of bed and I flipped on the lights, and he was still asleep. He was sleepwalking as a piss drunk. And this is a thing like if you know any piss drunks, you know that this is, this is what happens. He was animated, but asleep. And so, and so he did not respond to my questions. And instead continued to do the thing that you do

before you pee, right? prepare himself for for a bathroom time. I took him by his shoulders, by the back of his shoulders and turned him away from my bed and my stuff. I led him by his penis. I aimed him instead at his stuff. Which at the time, oh man, you're not a good friend Ben like his dick was out like there was like the the timer had run out This was about to flow So it was just about Mitigating damage. I'm not gonna take the fucking piss bullet for him if he's gonna piss in the dorm

He's gonna piss on his own stuff You could have just like clapped your hands in his face or something though. I tried all that piss bullet for him. If he's gonna piss in the dorm, he's gonna piss on his own stuff. You could have just like clapped your hands in his face or something though. I tried all that. You'd think... You'd think... Wow. He was someone who was hypnotized in a way that like only the magician could could undo. Like there was... he was that entranced. Wow. So I flipped him around and he pissed and I went down the hall and I woke up a couple of friends. I was like, my friend and Rumi is in trouble. I was upset but I was not angry at him. I just

wanted to know what to do. What do you do in the situation, Ben? So I woke up a couple of friends and we put him back in his bed and we sort of soaked up his piss in the room. And we just dealt with it in the morning. It's like one of those fucked up college stories that like doesn't really have a tidy resolution. Like it was a thing that happened. It introduced me to the idea of a piss drunk in a way that really like it made me paranoid the rest of the term that we were roommates.

Oh God, like we're gonna go to a party. Yes, this that beer that puts him over the edge into peeing on me while I'm sleeping. I was piss battered. Yeah, the only... There's our our our kid buddy Chris Bowman. He's not a, our, our, our kid buddy, Chris Bowman. He's not a piss drunk, is he? He's not a piss drunk, but the, the only time and I've ever like flipped out at somebody

for being up in a room that I was sleeping in, was he and I were, we're bunked together the first year I went to Max Funcon and I had never met him and I was just told that I was gonna have somebody else also sleeping in the room But I went back to the room and like went to sleep before I had met him or like made any contact with him and he came in like three or four hours after I had already gone to sleep and I have no memory of this but I apparently like got up on the bed in karate stance and like with like who the fuck is that who are you? And just scared the daylight's out of this like Chris is like one of the sweetest people in the entire world

I was in like defcon won, you know. I was like sending my birds out and yeah, something he'll never forget and I will never remember. I had a fun roommate at Max Funcon who got so vomit drunk off of the free booze that he totally remodeled the bathroom. Like, one of the great things about Max Funcon is that you have separate bathrooms and separate bedrooms so that like even when you're bunking with someone, you don't really have to cross paths if you don't want to. But that person's odor crosses past with yours, especially when they have vomited in the shower, in the bathroom, and around the toilet of their own bathroom.

So the next morning I rolled downstairs, and I'm like, oh, Max Funken roommate. What is going on? And he's like, oh man, I have mistakes have been made Yeah, those are the that was a thing. That's when you coin that's when you coined the term nerd rum spring That right it was yeah, that's a form of Max von Kahn roommate. I've got weird roommate luck been yeah Well, well, Garrick is in Bashir's room because he wants to go on a road trip He's picked the dead man. He just not want to pee on him. No, he's got other plans for Bashir and So they go over the Sisk to wake Sisk up so that Bashir can request the use of a runabout to go to Bejor well, by all means Will one run about be enough.

And it becomes clear in this scene that you know like amidst Bishir barging in on the FaceTime with Gildu Katt and this Cisco is like kind of losing his patience for his chief medical officer. Yeah, it's not a good look. Yeah, like Cisco is getting pretty annoyed, but Bashir is saved by the bill because DuCat gets on the FaceTime again. So you let Cisco know that they've run Rougal's DNA. I keep wanting to call him Rougal. Yeah. We run Rugal's DNA and have connected him to a prominent Cardiassian politician who is already on his way to the station.

It introduces an interesting urgency, right? Like the timing of this suddenly snaps into focus. Right. And it's like, why would Garrick want Bashir to go on a runabout trip with him in the middle of the night? And then a moment later, Dootcats like, I'm coming over. Like, one act proves the other in an interesting way.

Right, and Garrick has been riding for Dootcats up to something the entire time. And it's starting to snap into focus. They get their run about and they head to Beijor and they go to an orphanage that has like even littler Kardashian kids like kids that are like much younger than Rugal. It's the interlite outdoor place set. It's the inner light outdoor playset. It's an awesome.

Is it really? It's like they never took it down. Man, yeah, you're right. And they're like, hey, we'd love to take a look at your records. If you've got any and the lady's like, yeah, right, our computer's broken. And we don't have any money. We can't fix that shit.

And Eric is like, ha, ha, ha, well. I dabble with isolineodata subprocess as it's a hobby of mine. This is one of a couple of instances in the episode where Eric just reveals himself to be great at things. Yeah. In a really fun way. Yeah.

He's got a monical. Well, the joke is always like, Eric is like, don't act like I'm a spy. I'm not a spy, but then every time like a spy skill might be necessary for advance the plot, Garek is willing to reveal that he has such a skill. Garek is great because even at the very end of the episode when he's asked fairly directly if he's a spy, he still has the wherewithal to be like, I will never tell you that,

but I will show you with every action. Like, what do you think watching me do what I do? He's not like a pool hustler where he goes and pretends to suck for a long time just to low you into a false sense of security, right? Right. He's never sandbagging. He's just not playing pool until it's time to play pool. And then he's doing the mace everywhere.

So while they're there, there's like, you know, they're getting into the computer and getting the data that they need and there's like low fee little kids running around and they're like, hey, are you here to take us back to Cardassia? That's a sad scene, right? Like, there's a lot about this that isn't adding up. And so, do Cots Arrival convince a Cisco that they're being played? And between Doot Cot and Rougal's dad, they're sort of asking Cisco to arbitrate the Rougal's custody. Yeah, like there's a really like the dad shows up and he is conveniently wearing a red

tunic so that you can tell him apart from his the pejorant dad who's wearing a blue tunic. And you know, he's there like really like going through some shit. Like he is a bereaved dad who thought that his son and wife were both killed in the same bombing attack years and years ago. Like Rugal was four years old when this apparently happened, and the dad is torn up and eager to reconnect with the sun that he wasn't aware of. And one thing that comes out at the arbitration is that, like, reconnecting with the sun is coming at the cost of this guy's political career because orphans are like somehow taboo in Cardassian society.

Or I mean the idea that it can be spun that he left him behind is a great shame. Like whatever way you cut it, it's not a good look for the birth father here. It serves as a way for you to feel empathy for him. Are these the first two cardazine characters that we've been given to empathize with? Yeah, it feels that way. I mean, you get the commensurate scene between Rugal and his dad that just does not go well. Like, it's the shit show that you expect from a father and son who don't know each other and where, especially the son, just doesn't want to be with the father or doesn't see anything.

Yeah, I tried your weird blue stew. I'm not into it. Yeah. Yeah. And it's one of those conflicts where you can find equal empathy. Like I don't like the idea of Rugal going to live with a stranger. That doesn't sound good. Right. But I also feel very bad for his biological dad who who says sincerely that he thought he died in a bombing. Right. With their mother, with his mother. It's a pretty tricky deal, and the idea of a non-cardassian, non-bejurean mediator is a good one.

I was shocked that Cisco ruled in favor of birth dead. Were you? I was too. It was a weird, it was really like tacked on at the end in a way that didn't feel cathartic or like we understood why. And maybe they don't need to explain the why of everything. Like maybe that's not the point, but.

This is a show that relishes the courtroom scene though. And the appeal being made and the argument and the counter argument and the cross-examination. But they use that all up to pull DuCoch pants down instead of deal with the storyline that we've been dealing with. Right, all Bashir has done this episode is like burst into rooms that Cisco's talking and interrupt him. That's what he does here.

Like, Cisco's about to drop the gavel and Bashir is like, hey, check it out. Guess who are mortal enemies, basically? It's DuCat and Rugal's dad, Padaar. This has been a thing the whole time. DuCat set this up to make this dad look bad. Ducat's like planted Rugal like a seed years ago. It's not even, it's actually kind of implied that this is not in fact the same Rugal that Padaar lost.

Like, it's a, yeah. I didn't get that. Oh, I totally got that. Like it's a, this is an orphan. I mean, if if, if, if Padaar had been separated from his child and this child had been found and recovered, like it would have been, that child would have gone back to Padaar at the time.

But, but the DNA test though, Ben, what about the DNA test? But we have to take Ducats word for that. Ducats, the only one that had access to the DNA and is like the only people he, we know he told about that is the federation. The proof of this is super interesting. Like the long game that Ducat is played here is pretty incredible. Like, yeah, this orphanage is full of Cardassian kids who were just gathered up on the street, you know, quite randomly. Rugal being the only orphan who was actually brought there by another Cardassian, and who actually had a name, and all that, like, his circumstance for being there is totally

different, and it feels like the con that it is. Yeah, but our left beijor because being in beijor was too painful for him after the death of his wife and child, went back to Cardassia and as a politician started to campaign for Cardassia to end the occupation. And that meant Gilducat lost his job as the head of an entire planet. We don't even see Cisco deliberate.

Yeah, I think we find out about his decision just in a station log. I think what he did is he took a note from that admiral who made the decision a couple episodes to go about abandoning the station and he's like, well, if I want to ever become admiral, I need to make decisions that fast. Andy sticks Rugal with his biological father maybe. No.

Do you think this is the right decision, Ben? I mean, I think the cool thing about it is that in a few years, Rugal Wall have, you know, some experience with Padaar. I'll be living on Cardassian. He can write a financial literacy book called, But Joran Dad Cardassian Dad. It's going to be on the best seller list for months. It's sell 40 million copies, Adam. Oh, Brian, does that thing where he gets really nice

to the house guest that's about to leave. And it's like, hey, Rugal, you can come back and visit anytime and I hope you do. Just let me know, like, give me a couple of weeks notice, you know. Yeah, I might be out on a mission at that point, but good luck or whatever. And then the button is the book in, Dad. Oh, I'm a big guard, I'm a big guard, I'm a big guard, I'm a big guard, I'm a big guard. Exactly.

And then the button is the bookend, Adam. Back to Garrick and Bashir, cutting it up over a coffee and quesol. Just notice the details. They're scattered like crumbs all over this table we regularly share. Yeah. One of the great breakfasts. I used to be a team big breakfast until I met you, and now I'm all about coffee and question.

Yeah, man, the French figured it out. Sure did. The French can bring the breakfast in the dessert. I'll let the Spanish sort out dinner. It's coffee, quesonnet, four cigarettes. Feeling ready for the rest of my day. I'll tell you what, Japan and Mexico, you can trade days for lunch.

Did you like this episode, Ben? I really did. Yeah, it feels like we poked a lot of holes in it as we talked it out, but it is still a super strong app. It's funny, like I'd say that the much more often situation is we watch a bad episode and then have a ton of fun talking about it. This was maybe the rare really good episode

that we wound up finding more problems with in talking about it. Yeah, but I think that was a fun exercise. Much like the conceit of the entire show, criticizing a thing doesn't mean we dislike the thing. And it's fun to play like a fantasy showrunner about stories like this, you know? Yeah, the number of negative reviews we have on Apple podcasts by people that don't understand that that is possible is

Still amazing So much is amazing about what we're doing here Ben One of the most amazing things we do is read priority one messages you want to see if we end up have any of those I would love to Priority one message from star fleet coming in on secure channel Supplement one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Need a supplement on that? A supplement on that? A supplement. A supplement. Yeah, it's extra.

The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship. Ben, our first priority one message is from Anna. It is for Kevin, and the message goes like this. One year ago, I gathered a message from everyone you know to wish you a happy birthday. Well, we've made it a year later and now I'm shelling out all by myself. Oh no! It's been a great year of pot, games, silliness, and joy.

You're still the best boyfriend and I am the luckiest gal, happy birthday to the GM of my heart. My very own Ox bridge, love Anna. I'm just hoping that everybody that Kevin knows has have been done away with like so many who snuck. Yeah, Anna did away with all friends everywhere. I don't think that's the case at all. That's great. That, you know what, this is a, this is a repeat P1, is what Anna's saying.

She shared the load before now. Now it's her burden alone this time. And you're a lucky dude, Kevin. Happy birthday. Happy birthday, Kevin. Adam, our next priority one message is from Justin. And it's for Lucas. And it goes like this Happy number two birthday to Lucas. We have a lot in common. We both ralfed on your dad in 12 years

You can play this for your friends to become the coolest kid in school and coolest is spelt K-E-W-L-E-S-T. Oh, yeah, maybe as cool Same spelling as your parents Brian and Cindy, they are both persons of special conscience. Advice, don't buy a glass table and check out static for dirt on your pop. Go Pack Go! Hey, like got my attention? I'm reading the preferred time slot and this is about a month late for the preferred time slot, but it sounds like this is a P1 for a two-year-old, so...

I don't know if being late is necessarily a problem. Well, being late is how they got into this mess, so... So I guess it's related in that way. If you have a message that you would like to send anyone else for any occasion or a message of the commercial nature in which you want to tell our greater viewership about a product or a business that you want them to know about, you can go to MaximumFund.org slash Jbo Tron, where personal messages are $100 and commercial messages are $200. We have such a great big audience bin that it's a

great thing for you and it's a great thing for us and that it's a positive way to help the ongoing production of our show. Yeah, thank you. All of that support. Hey Adam. What's that been? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? Drunk Shimoda! It's hard in a garrick episode to choose against garrick. Seriously? And so I'm not going to. I'm going to choose garrick, but because he's so, he's so obvious

I'm going to choose a specific, but because he's so, he's so obvious, I'm going to choose a specific part of the Garrick story. When they go to the orphanage, and Garrick goes buck wild on the computer, but then he has that interaction with the lady who runs the orphanage. There is an attitude about him. Like, he is so 10 out of 10 on the read that is that is just a light for me. I was in the underground. Really? Perhaps we have met. Like in any other circumstance it would read as totally condescending. But for Garek it just seems like dramatic and something that would be said with a massive hand gesture. His hand gesture is his face. He's just great.

And so my Shimoda is Garek, but it's for that scene entirely at the orphanage. He's just fantastic. What about you then? That's a fun scene. I don't think it'll come as any surprise that my charmote is also, Garrick. And the scene I want to give special citation to is the one where he wakes Bashir up by just being in his room. Like, you got to get

some locks on those doors, right? I don't believe that locks would be a hindrance to Garrick. Like, Garrick is a great backstory though. Like tell us that there are locks on all the senior staff's doors and then show us that Garrick has broken in. I want to know that. I bet Garrick's honey stick collection really puts quirks to shame. We're probably meant to assume that right like Obviously there are locks on the doors and obviously Garrick has defeated that

Yeah, but uh just like Just being like the decision-making process of I'm just going to be looming over a push shares bed It's like Like I know you've got game dude, but you could have just called him. Really gave me a piss drunk flashbacks, Ben. We had a friend in college who mistook his own closet for the bathroom one time, which was, oh, and you didn't steer him away from his own closet. We didn't we didn't know a person You are we we found out the next morning when he found one of his sneakers was full of pee You know the more I tell this story the more I hear from people about the pissed drunks in their life

Yeah, and I've heard stories about people like pissing in utensil drawers in the kitchen, pissing in cat boxes, pissing in all sorts of things. It's bad. It sounds like I'm making fun of it. And in the moment I was, but this isn't a fiction I'm really glad I don't have. Yeah, for sure. I love the idea that when I get too drunk, I just fall asleep. Yeah, and like, there's something also just nice about being having enough experience with having a drunk on that you don't get yourself into trouble. I think most of my life is built around a scaffold if not wanting to be a burden on other people And so I'm really glad that like my drunk is basically self-contained and

Not something for someone else to clean up right. I'm not anybody else's problem right Yeah, there's a pal in our circle in college who through a New Year's party. I was not at this party, but we're got around that at some point at this New Year's party, like people had, it was you know, New York in January, so people had gone over to his apartment and everybody had put their winter coats on the bed and Somebody had gone into the bedroom and just barfed on the bed So there was barf on like 25 people's winter coats. Oh Like and the bed. It's like it's like the most heinous thing that you could ever do and

And like and nobody knows who the culprit is. It's just like one of those, somebody is the world's worst drunk and deserves to be fully excommunicated. But- And yet they walk the streets. They walk the streets in anonymity, unpunished for their dastardly crime.

Oh my God, Ben, I would not have rested until I found that person. Yeah, thankfully I was not at that party. And I'm gonna go on on a limb and say, I don't know that I am friends with anybody that was at that party anymore. Not knowing like who all was there. But.

I'm really a petty asshole. And like I probably wouldn't be friends with a person if they had done that. No, that's the worst. Like I would end the friendship over that. Control your drunk. This is the thing that me and my wife talk about all the time. It's like control your party.

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The next episode is season two, episode six, Malora, after failing in love with a woman whose species is unable to walk in, quote, normal gravity, but she develops a technology that could free her of her wheelchair forever. I'm kind of thinking that should be falling in love. It's like a typo. Let's see what Netflix has. What do you say?

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about how non-ADA compliant DS9 is. Yeah, this is the writers writing at the set design department. And the set design department creating the set at the writers. Right, there's a big rift, a lot of enmity between the two people. It seems like for a time, Bashir's love life was an A to B story. And we left that behind fairly early in season one. Now it seems like we're returning to it. So hopefully he's not as much of a

creep show as he's been. But she seems to be substantially a different character this season. I feel like in the off season, they really like, you know, sometimes you go to camp as a team of creatives and you like break your season out. Wonder if that's what they did? Like went to summer camp, wrote the season, write it some wrongs, made the sheer, a less creepy person.

He sure seems less creepy in S2. Yeah, I wonder if Alexander Siddi wrote them like a letter and said like, hey listen, love working on the show, wondering if my character could be less gross. You remember that whole thing about Biff Yeager and how he got like male, said to him about how much they wanted him to remain on the show. I made no such solicitation.

Yeah. Instead, I'm getting inundated by male telling me, telling me what a creep I am. Yeah, I'd like that to stop Listen guys, I'm an actor on Star Trek and I think one thing we all know is that unless your Patrick Stewart That pretty much will be the last thing you're known for But just fine, you know, I'll get paid 20,000 dollars to go to a convention four or five times a year for the rest of my life and I'll get residuals from this. All of that is great.

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