The Greatest Generation - Leotard Conversation (S7E14)

Episode Date: August 23, 2017

When Beverly’s grandma wills her an erotic candle, her eye color isn’t the only thing that changes. But Troi and Picard grow increasingly suspicious when she starts dressing like an old. Is this m...ayor what would happen if the Dark Crystal puppets grew up? Where do babies come from? Was Nagilum an MRA? It’s the episode where we come to loggerheads over podcasting fluid.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Priority 1 message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Hey friends of Disodo. Before today's episode, we just wanted to take a moment to talk about the historic labor actions being taken by writers and actors in the American Film and Television industry. If you're a fan of the work done by the people who make Star Trek, we hope you'll join us in standing in solidarity with the folks who actually bring these adventures to life. Over the past several years, the AMPTP, the organization that represents the American Film and Television Production Studios, have reduced the profit from movies and TV going to workers. And in so doing,
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Starting point is 00:01:25 in good faith with the unions. It provides financial support for writers, actors, and all the thousands of laborers who make the shows that we talk about here and without whom we wouldn't have Star Trek to cast pot about. Those folks are all out of work because billionaires, company shareholders, and the executives of these companies don't want to compromise on the length of their yachts. We hope you'll join us in supporting entertainment workers in a challenging time, especially after they've already endured several years of challenges brought on by the pandemic
Starting point is 00:01:55 and season two of Star Trek Picard. We've set up a page where you can also contribute. It's at friendsofdecotoforlabor.com. That's friendsofdecisoto for labor.com. That's friendsofdisoto for labor.com. Link in the episode description. Okay, now let's get on with the show. Here's to the finest crew in Starfleet. Engage! This is the greatest generation, a Star Trek podcast by a couple of guys who are a little bit embarrassed to have a Star Trek podcast, and I am one of your host, Benjamin R. Harrison. I'm the other host, Adam Pryanaka.
Starting point is 00:02:39 Adam, I had so much fun playing Star Trek collectible card game war with you. I wanted to see if you wanted to go for another round of that. Oh hell yeah! Where more? There's been no formal declaration of war. Hey, this trick you're bringing us some luck. That nonsense is centuries behind us. War!
Starting point is 00:02:59 On the mark! So, I have a question before we start. Okay. I opened that pack and shuffled it and then the cards that I had went on the bottom of the deck. So I could go with the same deck or we could open another deck or we could re-shuffle the deck we already have. Let's go with the same deck and I guess we can reshuffle if we want. If we reshuffle the cards into the deck we'll never finish the bit, you know.
Starting point is 00:03:32 Alrighty Adam, I do want to go for first card. I do. I was just reviewing the cards that accounted for my downfall in our last card bit and the archer was the one who fucked me so thanks archer when I give these cards quick shuffle just so everyone knows everyone knows we're on the up and up here the stakes being what they are cards have been cut I'm ready to flip. Oh man, I suck at shuffling. Okay, I'm ready to flip as well. Three, two, one. Oh I've got Trill Ambassador Odin. Who is the Enchleo-Sor?
Starting point is 00:04:20 Yeah. Well I think that that has my card card beat but I have a very strange card. It's got like upside down part to it. I guess that's so that your opponent can read it also. Mine is Kidimer Research. And it is a card that reopens the investigation into the Kiddimmer massacre, which is famously where Worf's dad bought the farm, and it is points of Honor times 3 plus computer skill plus treachery. I guess it just depends on what flavor you're into if you're judging that card against Creole Odin. Like, are you in it for some deep historical research? Into possible POWs at Kidimer, or do you want to maybe fall in love with an Akyloy store? I think I want to fall in love with an Angliosaur.
Starting point is 00:05:15 Fair enough. You have the better card there. One point, Adam. Should we flip another? Yeah, let's do it. Three, two, one, flip. Oh boy! It's gonna take a lot to beat me on this one, Ben.
Starting point is 00:05:27 Oh really? I've got subspace gizm. What does it say on subspace gizm? It's a salonogen-based aliens from another subspace domain access our space to abduct people for their experiments. Man. You just got schismed, man.
Starting point is 00:05:52 Well, my card doesn't have a drop associated with it, but it's pretty solid here. I got Satellk. Captain Satellk is the Vulcan Starfleet officer who presided over the inquiry into Cadet, Joshua Albert's death at the Academy Flight Range in 2368. This is the guy that uh, young Wesley Cresher. A boy. Confessed to Adam. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:21 This guy is really tightly wound. He's got integrity of eight. He's got cunning of nine. Yeah, strength of seven How can Corille Odan who lied about the fact that he she was a trill have integrity of nine? When that Has an integrity of eight who's doing the scoring here? No, no people, Adam. I want to introduce a rule to this Star Trek card game,
Starting point is 00:06:50 war game that we were playing. Is it any card associated with a drop automatically wins? Well, that's a self-serving rule, Adam, but I can't really see any reason to dispute it. I would have come up with that rule even if I wasn't the main beneficiary of that rule, Ben All right, let's flip one more three two one I've got Tack it the Romulan male trained in Romulan anatomy and medicine. I Loved that they made it a they were very specific that he is Romulan and he studies Romulan
Starting point is 00:07:27 anatomy extensively trained in exobiology. What what what's he weighing in it? Integrity for cunning seven strength seven. Wow, I think we are at loggerheads on this one, Adam, because I have Romulan sub-commander, Thay, representative of officers serving in the Romulan Star Empire, Allerite of Sisters of Duras, starting the Klingon Civil War, and he has integrity of four, cunning of six, but a strength of eight. Oh boy, yeah, it appears we are a tie with that card Okay, it's first a three right it is yeah, okay Flip one more yeah three two one flip
Starting point is 00:08:23 Oh man, I kind of a weak card here. I have fever emergency. Coordinate aid for charellian fever outbreak, medical times three, or biology plus officer. Who the fuck knows what that is. Might have you beat here Ben with the Eritian Shuttle, farmer hog at class, common shuttlecraft used by Eritian agents agents and others for covert activities. This is the, uh, shuttlecraft gelapi that strands wharf. Yeah. On that Amish Klingon planet. I'm gonna, I'm gonna go ahead and say you got the W on this one Adam.
Starting point is 00:08:58 Hell yeah! I will take that W. That might be the only win on today's pod bin. Because,. Because we got a real stinker ahead, don't we? I've come prepared with a couple of cans of beer. Figured this might be one of those episodes bin. One of the episodes we do best while drinking. Season 7 episode 14. Subrosa. First, you team of every starfish officer, hit to the truth, find any truth,
Starting point is 00:09:27 or a historical truth or personal truth. Then what are you drinking? What's gonna get you through this one? I'm drinking a Sierra Nevada newner pills. That's a nice beer. Yeah, it's got Adirondack chairs in the logo, so you can tell it's a porch beer. That's great.
Starting point is 00:09:50 Then you might have noticed that I opened two cans. That's because my wife and I came up with a fun little beverage that is made of 50% Steagle grapefruit raddler and 50% rainier. We call it a raindler. We have arrived at the point in the podcast where our tastes diverge at them. You know like raddlers? I don't like that Steagle raddler, that shit is disgusting, it's way too sweet.
Starting point is 00:10:21 That's why I cut it with rainier. It becomes the perfect beverage this way. You get to make it in the shaker, as they say. No, I'm building flavors here, Ben. No. Look, it's what's going to get me through this, all right? Look, it's what's gonna get me through this, alright? Hashtag no. Are we fighting again? Let's not fight about...
Starting point is 00:10:52 Right near, there's a perfectly good local. Just drink that. Don't add any bad Radler to it. I like Radler. I'm damn... I like Radler too. I just don't like a shitty pastiche of a Radler that's really just... Gross grapefruit soda with alcohol added to it.
Starting point is 00:11:08 I don't know man, I feel like I could really slam a lot of these Stegal Radlers. Gross. We're just going to be on opposite sides of this man. It's okay. We don't have to agree on everything. We can agree on one thing though. Oof. This episode is something else.
Starting point is 00:11:26 So the entrepreneur is pulling up to a planet called Caldose 4 and the opening shot of the episode is a unmistakable frix, is it not? Yeah, no doubt about it. He's coming out of the gates as fricks. Frixing. Yeah. It's like a big, a big jib shot. It's an expensive set, a big jib shot.
Starting point is 00:11:50 It is the, it is the shot that they've been saving all their budget for kind of a shot. And it's, Beverly, eulogizing her grandmother. She knew that well-being is more than just a healthy body. It feels like there's a little bit of soap opera filtration on this scene. Did you feel any of that? There's a little bit of, um, they've rubbed some Vaseline on the lens.
Starting point is 00:12:15 There's a little promise on it. Yeah. The first feature I ever worked on, uh, in the, I had like an internship with a, a DP in the Bay Area area and he brought me on as his like third camera assistant for this feature film that he booked while I was working for him one summer. And they shut the entire thing with promised filters on it and I like never heard anything about the film until I was like you know a few years later in film school and I found the trailer for it on YouTube.
Starting point is 00:12:47 And it was like the most soap opera you think in the world because they just promised it the shit out of every shot. Yeah, I mean, I was really embarrassed. I was like, fuck, I had no idea what we were making. Look at this corny. If you're wondering what promised filters look like, SNL deploys them a lot and they're like perfume commercial spoofs, like that's the effect. It's a little bit gauzy.
Starting point is 00:13:11 It's gauzy. The reason that you've seen it used on soap operas a lot is that it smooths out skin tones, especially. Yeah. owns especially. So ladies look very like flawless and ethereal. And you know, if you're a DP that is trying to bang out an entire show of content every day and you're not going to have time for hair and makeup to come in and touch everybody up every five seconds, throw a little promise down there. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:46 To shoot with some nice to even light. Smooth everybody out. So the makeup budget, buy a filter, and then maybe return that filter once production's over. Speaking of lighting though, Adam, this is like one of the most intricately lit episodes of the show. Yeah, because it's not lit like sci-fi. It really isn't. It's lit like a different genre.
Starting point is 00:14:07 It's a Star Trek as a plays episode. All of the hard lights of the homeward episode, in the episode that came before are gone. It, it's, yeah, it couldn't be more of a 180 from the previous episode in terms of lighting and camera work. I wonder how, like, I could see Freaks going through homework and taking notes about things he wasn't gonna do. This episode is so weird, Ben. Like, maybe the, there are a number of leaps it asks you to take. But maybe the biggest comes right at the beginning, which is like, this is planet Scotland.
Starting point is 00:14:51 Yeah, I can't even put my weight in the room for a step further. I can't hold on any further than a minute. Oh, you don't do one for five minutes. You're fucking one, Stan. Don't put- don't shut the bitch. You're gonna fuck you, Tony. I can't even put my weight in the room. I can't put my weight in the room. I'm gonna. I can't remember when the guy was in the middle school.
Starting point is 00:15:06 Why is this a thing that exists? Why when the producers had this idea pushed across their desk on the top of a piece of paper went? Great, let's do it. Yeah, like, you could write this story where Beverly Crusher's grandmother dies on like planet Florida or whatever like the the retiree planet that That all Federation seniors retire to and it would be just as Interesting as it is here and we know from Seinfeld that you can shoot LA for Florida as much as you want I kept on expecting James do in the pop-up like this is probably where he drove his win a bigo, right? This is a great place for him to retire
Starting point is 00:15:48 I think the reason he did not add him is that they couldn't have anybody with a plausible Scottish accent in this episode That was one of the rules. You're gonna make everyone look bad James. Don't like the candle. Don't like the candle So Bev is eulogizing her grams as the body is being electrically lowered into its whole. And once the service is over, there's the mingle, everyone's in their starfleet, formal wear. The guy with the loaf does the ashes to ashes, dust to dust. You're like, wow, is that a tradition on your planet too? He has real dark crystal face, you know?
Starting point is 00:16:33 Like if the dark crystal puppets grew up to be adults and adult looking people, that's what he looks like. Yeah. He's got sort of a pug nose that's grown into his upper lip. I think it was a bit jarring because this is like a post-religion future that we've been presented with. And so like, I mean, I suppose it doesn't seem totally out of, it doesn't seem totally
Starting point is 00:17:02 insane that some of the traditions of religion would persist without the kind of religious underpinning, but hearing people say amen was felt very untrack. Yeah, it sure did. I mean, again, this is after we've been introduced the idea of a Scottish planet. You're telling fucking out to get to me! I just love the idea that someone proposed this. Like, now, we all know that every planet in the Federation
Starting point is 00:17:31 is sort of a religious. What my planetary proposal presupposes is, what if we make a Scottish planet that is utterly religious instead? What if, Adam? It's the episode that answers that question. They finished the ceremony and people are like dumping the scoop of dirt on the top of the casket and a beautiful flower lands on the casket and it catches Beverly's attention and she watches as this really devastatingly handsome blonde man walks off just big fucking jaw beautiful head of blonde hair, striking high cheekbones
Starting point is 00:18:29 right off the front of a bodice river. He's what Gerard Depardue wants to look like and believes he looks like deeply, you know? Yeah. Yeah, this guy is not pulling it out and taking a piss in the middle of an airplane though. Like in the mid-90s when Gerard Dipper do was like an above the title actor, like people thought that to this was. People thought that's who he was, was this guy? No, turned out he was just a fat alcoholic mess, like everyone else. I mean obviously he's like an incredible actor, but give me a break.
Starting point is 00:19:09 Yeah, remains to be I mean look we could do the research, but it's unclear whether or not the actor who plays this part is as much of a mess as the real Gerard Depardue. Or if he is in fact your our Depardue, we have no idea. Duncan Rager is his name. God, what a great name. Damn, that is Biff Yeager, little great name. It really is. God, you know, for me, it's always been about Biff Yeager's name, but Duncan Rager sort of gives him a run for his money.
Starting point is 00:19:42 In the name of his name. As I sip through my period on this episode, this might turn into a Duncan Rager from me. We can only hope. Beverly was not, was clearly not prepared to meet a hottie at a funeral. Yeah, it's one of those situations where you're not exactly looking to hook up.
Starting point is 00:20:00 Yeah, your emotions are not, are not where they need to be to get as sprung as she clearly would be under any other circumstance. And also, you're on a Scottish joke planet. Like no one's looking to make out on the It's a Small World ride. Well, maybe some people. They have to establish a lot of canon to make this world fit in the universe. So when we come back from title sequence, we get a little chit-chat between the colonial
Starting point is 00:20:34 governor and Captain Picard. The colonial governor is the lofie guy. And he's like, yeah, obviously I'm not Scottish, but I love Scotland. And this is one of the first terraformed worlds and we terraformed it up just to be like Scotland. You know, Scotland, a country famous for its wonderful weather. Yeah, we'll use actual Scottish castle bricks
Starting point is 00:21:03 for our cornerstones. But the webs... I was forced to wonder though, like, did so did you just go to Scotland and take down all the buildings there so that you could build them on a different planet? Like what does contemporaneous Scotland look like in the 24th century? It's such a theme-parkification of a concept. Because Earth, by this point, has been weather weather controlled for like a thousand years like right there's There's no way anyone actually knows what the weather in Scotland was like or really cares
Starting point is 00:21:35 Yeah, I love the conversation that Picard has with him though like at no point does Picard say are you serious with this planet? Even though I think if you look at him, if you look him in the eyes deeply, that's what his eyes are saying. It is in P-Stoose performance, but it's not in the text. This is a great like, hey, we're gonna justify having an episode here.
Starting point is 00:21:58 Just hold on. So you guys are sticking around and Captain Picard's like, no, we're actually leaving today. And he's like, well, there's no problem with it, but the weather system could take a set of eyes from a Starfleet engineer if you have time. It's like when you go visit your parents,
Starting point is 00:22:19 and you're just about to go to the airport and your mom or dad are like, you know that we are having a problem with the computer connecting to the printer. If you could just, it'll take five minutes, really. If you could just stick around and troubleshoot that, that'd be great because we're so bad at computers.
Starting point is 00:22:37 Is this a real story that really happened to you, Adam? Oh, it's happened to me dozens of times, man. Okay. Do you want me to tell the real story? The f***ing story, because I won't. Now I have to edit that out. Yep, I'm sorry. God damn it. So that both establishes a scintillating weather pattern andcer B storyline.
Starting point is 00:23:05 And also the excuse for why the entrepreneur is here at all. And why anything can proceed from this moment. Why is the enterprise out detached duty for this, though? Anything is more important than this. Picard doesn't want to go to like Admiral dinners and he's sticking around for this. Picard doesn't want to go to like admiral dinners and he's sticking around for this. There's no way an admiral dinner is worse than this, right? No way. Not a chance. Troy and Bev hit the house of Beverly's late grandma. It's a very quaint and lovely little cottage full of lots of charming old knick-knacks.
Starting point is 00:23:49 And one of the knick-knacks is a weird old candle that doesn't appear to be that remarkable, but everybody that sees it is like, that's beautiful. Even though it basically looks like something like a Klingon drinks warnaug out of. Like, it's the most brutalist candle ever. It is super Klingon looking.
Starting point is 00:24:13 It's like, I don't know, like the thing to do with this is go down to like a antique store and get an old timey candle holder. But instead they like machined one out of gun metal and like puts them, puts them, you know, it's like, what the fuck is the point of a candle in the future in the first place? Is it just the like pleasing ambience that it provides?
Starting point is 00:24:37 It's a strange choice because they clearly production, they clearly set design everything else in this house down to the letter. Like, there's practically hom humble figurines in this place. It's totally set up. And then for them to miss on the candle was a weird miss. Yeah, it's a weird miss. I feel like there's got to be a story there. Because it just doesn't read as having anything to do with the rest of the house.
Starting point is 00:25:00 Well, Troy takes off and Beverly like parks it in a chair and like starts going through some books and stuff. And she, I guess she's like upstairs with one of these books like she's going to go read grandma's journal. And this guy that looks like an IRA hitman comes in and he's like poking around the ground floor of the house and he picks up the candle that everybody's been making the big deal out of. And he blows it out and like down the stairs comes Beverly and she's like, what the fuck
Starting point is 00:25:41 are you doing? And this guy in typical creepy groundskeeper drag, you know like this is such a trope right? Like the guy who was just out digging the grave for the grandma is in here with a powerful warning about the haunted candle. Let me go into the candle. Why?
Starting point is 00:26:01 Do not seek the treasure. Why? Do not seek the treasure! And Beverly do regret it like anyone would, is like, get the fuck out of my house, you creepy old man? Yeah. I'm not trying to hear this, I'm grieving. I can't let brought nothing but misery and bad luck to your grandmother. This guy was in the departed, what?
Starting point is 00:26:24 Whoa. Yeah. Damn, guy was in the departed, what? Whoa. Yeah. Damn, he was in raging bull also. And Titanic. This guy's down at all. And Subrosa. And the boss. He's seen the highest highs and the lowest lows.
Starting point is 00:26:40 His agent's like, look man, it's been a good ride. I've gotten you through some great parts, but I just saw a screener of Subrosa and I think this is going to be it for us. I'm sorry. I hope you understand. That really doesn't know this guy from Adam. She's like, my grandma never talked about you. I don't know who the fuck you are.
Starting point is 00:27:04 And he's like, well fuck you. You don't know who the fuck you are. And he's like, well, fuck you. Like, you don't, like I come here all the time. You haven't been here in 20 years. You're a terrible grandjotter. I've been screaming at you. I'm gonna take your grandma for 20 years. Yeah. This candle's no good.
Starting point is 00:27:18 Let me get it out of here. Let me save your family a lot of trouble. And she's like, get the fuck away from me and give me my candle back. He basically is doing everything but like rattling a bunch of chains around him and making ghost noises. Like this is very clearly a harbinger of what is to come. And he's like really aggressive with her like she asks him to leave and he like walks out and she's like slamming the door and he like pushes it back and like gets all in her face and shit.
Starting point is 00:27:48 Like it's really, it's really fucking intense and crazy. Yeah. The tone of everything in this episode is like, what the fuck? It's so off the chart. Yeah, I mean, you could make the case that Beverly could phaser him for what he's doing. He has broken an enter to her house.
Starting point is 00:28:08 He puts his hands on her. It's classic B&E. Yeah. Yeah. We spend some time fucking around in main engineering with the governor working on the weather system and the weather system is not doing great actually. The second they take a look at it, it's not set up the way it's supposed to be, and they're looking at some problems with rain happening unseasonably and stuff.
Starting point is 00:28:50 There is a shot that I think Frex has gone to a couple of times in his episodes, which is the other side of the window in Shemota Corner shooting into Shemota Corner. Yeah, it's my favorite Freak shot. With data and Jordy, sort of, in a two shot and then you see the reflection of the warp core behind them and it's like making these neat stripes and frame. And in this, the fucking hard shot to do because like you have to hide the camera reflection
Starting point is 00:29:20 when you do that, which is a lot of work, you know? To get the angles right so that you get the warp core but not the camera. Yeah. Not easy. When you do a dolly shot, like the vocabulary on set is like one to two, right? One is the starting point, two is the ending point of the dolly shot. When they get to two on this, the display in the background showing the weather computer
Starting point is 00:29:49 is like in between data and Jordy. And it's like a nice, elegant contextual background that they finish the Dalley shot on. That was really great. This is like, this is how deeply freaks thinks about this stuff. Yeah, it's, it's very cool. And it's very, it's a flashier shot than we normally get, but it's not like too flashy, you know, it's showing off how cool the set is.
Starting point is 00:30:14 Like the set is so cool. Yeah. How fucking insane is it that like of the 165 or whatever episodes that we've reviewed. Not that many directors have taken the opportunity to show all of the depth in this set by doing shots through this window. Getting back to your point about hiding the camera, that is a curved window.
Starting point is 00:30:38 I don't know how they hide the camera from that. Like, I think they must just like, it's like drape everything on the dolly in black, duvetine, including the camera operator and the camera. Yeah, that's gotta be it. There's no other way. It looks great. It looks great every time. And it's not showy, like you say. It's just a good solid shot. It's a high spec shot. It adds to the production value so much without being distracting or weird. Things that are distracting are weird. Let's talk about them. Beverly
Starting point is 00:31:13 takes her candle back to her room and goes to sleep. There is a super creepy dream sequence where using some wire effects, they pull the blanket off of her and then start pulling her nighty down off of her shoulder. She basically receives a Dan Acroid and Ghostbusters like Ghostjob. You don't know that movie? Ghost gives Dan Acroid all sex. She like wakes up and she's all like hot and bothered about it. This isn't the first time this is going to happen in this episode, but like Gates McFadden's
Starting point is 00:31:50 acting like she is brought to orgasm. Like in a couple of times in this episode, like that's the direction is like this guy gets you there. This ghost fucks. I'll have what she's having. That had to be such a... That had to be something to have a conversation about before you even shoot. It's like, what can you show on syndicated television that pantomimes this feeling? What is the limit of that?
Starting point is 00:32:20 Yeah, this is like, it will go over your head a little bit if you're a kid. Right, like when I watch this now, I'm like, does she have a stomach ache or something? Like I've never seen the looks on her face before on anyone else. What did you think she was feeling, Ben? I was just confused. Adam, I need to, well probably have to do this off-mic, but I want to tell you a little something about where babies come from. I'm looking forward to that. Nobody knows!
Starting point is 00:32:53 As with any hot, hot hookup, the first thing you do afterwards is you go have some girl talk. Yeah. Beverly has a post-game with Troy in 10-forward, kind of a strange setting to have a sexy talk. A pair of hands. They were moving across my skin like a chorus, yes. Yeah, it's a little more public than I made of picked. Shouldn't this be like private workouts, leotard sash? Isn't that, isn't that our established Beverly
Starting point is 00:33:22 and Troy talk about a boy setting? This feels like a leotard conversation, you're exactly right. I don't know why you risk being overheard and tend forward. One thing that happens in this scene that I really wanted to call attention to is that Beverly says that what happened immediately preceding her going to sleep was that she was reading a particularly erotic chapter in her grandmother's journal. That is, oh, God. Like, shouldn't Troy have just stood up and said, what?
Starting point is 00:33:56 What are you talking about? What the fuck is wrong with you? Why was Beverly interested in reading that? Like, that's the first question. Why was Beverly interested in reading that? Haha, so gross. That's the first question. You're reading deeply erotic diary entries about your grandmother. I would love to know more about my grandma's life, but I would skip the chapters where she's getting boned. Yeah, like anything fingerblast and up, I don't want to know about it.
Starting point is 00:34:26 The thing about like, so Beverly has this confession with Troy about like, what it felt like. It felt like hands under skin. She was here in the Westfield. Also, if I found my grandfather's journal, same thing. Don't want to know about it. Ben, I think the fact that Beverly is drinking cranberry juice sort of as close as that things went further
Starting point is 00:34:49 than she's actually telling counselor Troy about what she did to the ghost. She didn't go pee immediately afterwards. That's an upset saying. You gotta go pee afterwards, Bev. You should know that you're a doctor. Yeah, you're a grown woman and a medical professional. I love it, she's a casually drinking cranberry juice, choice checking it out like...
Starting point is 00:35:16 What? Two strikes, Beverly. Well, Beverly goes back to visit the grave of grandma and she finds the like Ned Quint guy, the groundskeeper that was trying to steal her candle like using like a hand spade to fill in the dirt on the grave. And she apologizes for reacting badly to him trying to steal a priceless family heirloom. Weird, weird angle for her to take. I thought the same thing. Like, why are you apologizing for the way you acted when this man broke into your home and attempted to steal something
Starting point is 00:36:14 Something that you're recently deceased grandmother left for you. This is classic woman apologizing for something she doesn't need to apologize about She's protecting his fragile patriarchal hegemony this guy Took like three days to bury his grandmother with this tiny hands-bait Like if anyone should be apologizing, it's this guy. Yeah. He's like, that candle's bad news, it's still bad news, and the reason why is that there's a ghost in it, and that's why all of these storms are coming. And she's like, no, you fucking, you fucking rustic idiot. Storms coming because the colony's weather system is broken and they're gonna fix it.
Starting point is 00:36:52 Don't worry about it. And he's like, do not lie to Kendo. Just do what I say. Don't I like the calm? And then look over to that hoose. What makes this man's appeal so serious is that the storm has also gained intensity as he's talking about this dangerous storm as if on cue. And it's like, you know, leprechaun, green, lightning, and shit tons of rain, like, Hollywood
Starting point is 00:37:22 level shit tons of rain. Haggis sized hail. I know, Brian's a Haggis. Beverly runs home and when she comes into the house, there are two unusual things. One is that she's just run in from a rain storm and her hair is barely wet. And the other is that the house is full of flowers, the same kind of flower that the handsome hottie dropped on the casket of her grandmother. It's sort of a lot to clean up if you're Beverly.
Starting point is 00:37:54 Like, it's one of those displays of affection that seems cute to the guy that is giving the flowers, but it's gotta be a real pain in the ass to the girl who's receiving them. It's sort of like the guy who gives the girl like the five foot tall teddy bear as a gift. Like, there's nowhere to put a five foot tall teddy bear. That's a terrible gift. There's no way her grandmother also willed her enough bases to accommodate all these
Starting point is 00:38:20 flowers. She's going to be standing at the sink, clipping off the ends of these flowers for fucking six hours. The oldest old person doesn't have this many vases. And she was over 100 at him. She was very old. So this turns into like a lot of like panting and moaning and her hearing disembodied sexy male voice. It's probably the number one bad, bad scene of the episode because they've basically given Gates McFadden an impossible acting task, which is there is somebody in the room talking to you that's not really here, act like you're sort of in pain and also coming and also talking to this guy and confused about what's happening.
Starting point is 00:39:13 Go. What's happening to me? Right now I feel so strange. I love you, Beverly. Just as I loved for me, so before you. It's weird because it is a classic science fiction acting challenge. Do you act as if something is happening that you cannot see because it's being comped or in front of a green screen
Starting point is 00:39:32 or whatever? But I accept for like, they don't ever ask Liam Neeson to like also be coming when he's talking to Jar Jar Binks. So yeah, I thought you were gonna, for some reason you were talking about taken. I'm a man with a very particular set of, ah, skills. Oh, Jesus. Which makes me, ah, very, very, very big problem for a man like, oh,, you... Ah, I assure you I'm really dangerous. This just happens to play right into my most serious kink, which is my daughter being a...
Starting point is 00:40:14 Oh! Oh! Oh man. Yeah, by the time they got to the third taken film, it was basically just all orgasmic. Yeah, that's the challenge that Gates has. It's like she's in a practical set, which gives her a little bit of help, but still like she's acting against someone who isn't there.
Starting point is 00:40:34 Right. No one can just like, I don't know if you do this, but whenever there's a voice or a digital character, like I mentally put in the script soup, reading those lines. From off camera, I love you, Beverly. I've always loved you. That's super flat reading that a script supervisor does when they need to have dialogue dropped in later. Why doesn't the script supervisor ever try in those scenes. Like that's such a classic flat effect. I don't know, I think that'd be fun to be a script supervisor to give it a little sauce, right? But like you have to think about like,
Starting point is 00:41:13 maybe this is unintentionally anti script supervisor, but I kind of feel like the disposition of the kind of person who is good at like going like, no, you didn't have that pen in your shirt pocket in the last scene, you had it behind your ear, that notices little shit like that, is probably not the disposition of a person who is also gonna like throw themselves
Starting point is 00:41:38 into the role of a character they're not playing. Absolutely, yeah. Ben, in this scene, you hear more of Ronin than you ever have before. This disembodied phone sex voice that he's got. For a moment. He's only one-nine hundred-hunger. His obsession with sex and getting her off. Ben, it made me think.
Starting point is 00:41:59 Could Ronin actually be Nagilaum? I thought the vocal characteristics were very similar. Mmm, mmm, carbon-based vagina. Power exchange-based sexuality. Not even Nagi-Lum can find the clip though. Nagi-Lum, you prick. You rubber-faced monster. The thing that made the gilam the most awful was that he was not a giver.
Starting point is 00:42:33 And he thought that men should have more rights. There's a bunch of back and forth. Basically the weather keeps getting worse and worse and Beverly keeps getting more and more weird. She's like, got a bunch of flowers in a room and Troy's like, what the fuck is going on? She's wearing the sweater of an old. Did you notice that she's wearing very loose fit and clothing. Yeah, it's weird, like they have Troy in the, in the Klingon Yoga outfit that she had on when she got super sexy and turned to old. Yeah. Also, so it was like, it was definitely like a visual callback to that episode.
Starting point is 00:43:24 But it seems like a very call back to that episode. But it seems like a very similar fate is befalling Beverly. And eventually they're like all down in the weather control system, trying to solve this raging storm that is happening and quint the ground skipper is caught. It's a really weird, it might be the worst scene that Frakes is ever directed because they're all standing around going like, what's going on with the weather? And then they like just turn the camera to the left and Quint is like under a
Starting point is 00:43:55 desk fucking with the system. Excuse me sir. You would dismantling the primary power coffee. Like the reveal is like, okay so you guys are all just standing in this room and Quint broke the thing and you didn't notice? Yeah, it's a coverage problem because there's so far apart in the room. Like the room is fairly big and there are an opposite sides of it. So you need to get coverage of them on one side, Quint on the other, and then when Quint gets blown out of the undercarriage of the computer bay, there's like a cut to him in mid-air in order to cover the entire shot. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:32 Well, Quint is in bad shape, but Dr. Crusher doesn't want to deal with it. So I guess a Susie plaxton is gonna have to take over for her. Maturin, like by this point Beverly is basically walked off and Maturin goes to Picard and he's like, why wouldn't she be his doctor? What is going on here? Well, we got a Vulcan lady up there that has only been seen in one episode,
Starting point is 00:45:01 but we mentioned basically 10 times a season, just in case we ever need to bring her back. Nice chief medical officer you got here. So Beverly is fully in the throes of her budding romance with Ronin and she runs back from the weather control station and he explains, you you've got to like change your lifestyle so that I can be with you because all I want to do is give you the D and I can't be that far away from this planet.
Starting point is 00:45:36 I can travel up the beam that you guys are using to try and control the weather but that's it. This is classic bad new relationship vibes, right? Yeah, controlling, like, trying to isolate her from her friends. He hooks her on the D, and then is like, yeah, I think you should, you should leave your job is what you should do and leave your friends, and then be with me.
Starting point is 00:46:00 You gotta keep this candle lit. Yeah, a lot of red flags with Ronin, and when Beverly puts in her walking papers, like Picard is like, fuck, like I wish I could talk you out of this, mad red flags, like I'm just saying this as a friend, it's not like I'm trying to keep you around because I don't know how I'm gonna have breakfast from now on. These croissants are gonna eat themselves. Or prepare themselves as we have recently learned yeah, so yeah, she she's like well, I'm gonna go Continue the proud tradition of women and my family of fucking this one guy, so I'm out here
Starting point is 00:46:39 We get our first shot of federation matched luggage And there's not a round duffel in the pile. Like, she got some great luggage. Yeah, she can fit a lot of iPads in this stuff. Yeah, yeah. I wanna know more about that. That's an auction I would bid on. Some match Federation luggage.
Starting point is 00:46:59 Why not? Yeah. She's also gonna be, she's got the candle like, sit on top of her luggage. The candle situation is totally absurd. Is the candle lit before and after beam down? Yeah. It's strange to me that the act of transporting wouldn't put out the candle.
Starting point is 00:47:22 That's some pretty complex pattern recognition. Seriously. Like, if you can beam fire, couldn't that be a weapon? Yeah, you can just beam a bunch of fire onto somebody. That's what I'm saying. How great would that be? Beverly accidentally discovers a super weapon with her fuck candle.
Starting point is 00:47:42 Hahaha. This episode goes pretty far in the sexualization of Beverly, but one way in which they didn't go all the way was making the candle phallic. I think that was great. By having basically a cage candle, it was just joke before it started anyway. Well they had to have been thinking as they wrote this episode. You know, I bet a couple of ass wipes
Starting point is 00:48:09 will start a podcast about this show in 25-ish years. And we don't want them to have too much material. Look, the candle that looks a little too much like a Hattachi magic wand is cool and everything. But that's probably not going to age very well. I feel a lot of foresight evident in that decision. So she starts, like, she gets back to the planet and it's like, it's a total like, Beverly
Starting point is 00:48:39 and Cloud of Green Smoke fuck fest. Like, Ronin turns into a cloud of weed smoke and like it just like hovers around her body and she'll she'll like sit in a chair writhing in passion. I had no idea I could feel this one. Ronin is fucking on ecstasy. We're nearly merged now. Yeah. There's two candles joined a form of single life. Everyone to do it. Yeah, not even once. Jordy and Data, I mean, while have localized
Starting point is 00:49:08 the energy pattern that they found in Quinn, the guy that got killed. Mm-hmm. And they've localized it to the graveyard, and specifically the grave of Beverly's deceased grandmother. So Picard is like, he like comes down to the planet to like talk to Beverly about this. And he's like, he's doing the like,
Starting point is 00:49:29 the like back of the knuckle on the door knock, the kind of like ginger like, is it okay to come in? And she is like way too turns to to hear in. So he basically walks in on our flick in the beam. Hey, are you are you banging in there? It's your buddy, your buddy pipes. I brought these croissants. And from inside, he's just hearing...
Starting point is 00:50:04 Yeah, Ronan is just taking it to or in a gas cloud type of way. So it kind of turns into a showdown because he's like getting more. You ever have a gas cloud during? Yeah, let's take another little D tour at him because this episode's not long enough yet. What were you going to say. What were you gonna say? What were you gonna say? I was just gonna say, I was just gonna ask you if you've ever done a gas cloud during.
Starting point is 00:50:33 No, that's not, that's not my way. You want to do whatever you can to hold that in. See now you can go to interstitial. Pipes is like, hey listen Bev, like I know you quit Starfleet and everything, but this dude, this red flag of a man, is causing you to to do some pretty crazy shit and let's put all our cards on a table. Nobody has even seen him. And like, which is clearly like Picard pulling out his ace in the hole. He thinks he's got her dead to rights and to his shock, Ronin walks into the room. Tell me why is it that no one has seen this Ronin
Starting point is 00:51:29 except you? All right, Captain. Here I am. And then it is a showdown because Picard is saying, like, this guy has something to do with this problem, with the weather and like, he's making you crazy, he's making you make poor decisions, and not only that,
Starting point is 00:51:50 data and Jordi wanna dig up your grandmother, and I'm gonna let him do it. This is such a great scene that's done in front of them, like he mentions the idea that they're going to, and Ronan's like, fuck that No, you're not. I'm speaking It's Beverly now and Picard basically gets them on the commoners like proceed with the dig up proceed with operation grandma dig Which is great like there's not a backhoe on the grounds. They just use the teleporter for this It's just Jordy and Data there.
Starting point is 00:52:25 They don't have like a guy with a shovel. Yeah, and that guy had a hand shovel to begin with. He's not gonna take him five days to dig out the grandma with that tiny hand speed. Yeah, and Picard continues to turn the screws on this guy. He's like, I bet the governor has never even heard of you. I bet that there's no record of you arriving at this planet. Like Picard knows something about this guy
Starting point is 00:52:51 that we don't know yet. It's hard to isolate this scene as a moment of suspension disbelief because there's been so many of them throughout the episode. But Picard gets there in his mind, almost immediately, in a way that has no build up at all. Like he just knows something up, he knows something's up and he knows exactly what is up.
Starting point is 00:53:13 It's pretty wild. Like it's a wild leap because we don't have any reason to believe that Picard would have gotten there, right? Like he hasn't seen any evidence about what Ronin is. No, not at all. He's basically accusing Ronin of being the thing Ronin turns out to be without having established any basis for that accusation. Right. Like, at least Troy has been in Beverly's condo and has seen her transformation. Picard, I don't think, has seen her apart from the transporter room scene. That's all he has to go on. That, and I guess he talks to Troy a little bit
Starting point is 00:53:52 and Troy is like, yeah, she's been drinking a lot of cranberry juice lately. TPH, like, I don't think she's taking care of herself. He's got a flush after a ghostly fuck fest. I'm pretty sure she's not taking a drug test later. I'm pretty sure this is only about one thing. Well, Picard turns the screws enough to make Ronin vanish into a puff of green smoke. Oh, you neighbors!
Starting point is 00:54:18 And he's like, come on, Beverly. We gotta get out of here. Come on, Beverly. We've gotta get out of here. And he reaches for her and green lightning hits him. And he goes down. And this kind of snaps Beverly out of it. Like, she has really been on team Ronin up until now and seeing Picard get zapped is kind of a reality check
Starting point is 00:54:41 for her. She starts scanning him with her tricorder and Ronin's, we gotta stop the Android and the engineer from digging up your grandma. That's Task One and she's like, no, no, Task One is making sure you didn't just kill Captain Picard. And she's really super emotional during the scene and kind of
Starting point is 00:55:09 Flighty, but she manages to hyposprae him and Ronin is like, well, I'm gonna go do that thing I said so goodbye And and when he leaves she has like a she has like a tearful breakdown Yeah, I mean, I think she sees the writing on the wall and the writing says you're not gonna get it knocked out like the way it's been anymore. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Pfft. Yeah. Jordy and Dada get the lid off of this gasket and basically the silliest thing that has ever happened in all of Star Trek happens, which is there's this perfect old lady lying in there.
Starting point is 00:55:55 And she like wakes up and starts zapping them. I suggest we run a deep t-titious scan to look for any signs of it. RONAN REEANIMATES THE GRAMMA! This is a horror movie scene! This is fucking crazy! It's like a C-slash D horror movie scene. I thought for sure that grandma was gonna take a phaser. Like, phaser her back into the coffin, Beverly. Yeah, it's so silly.
Starting point is 00:56:33 Yeah. Great grandma acting though. Like, great casting. She was great as evil grandma for the four lines that she had. Good job. Yeah. Little bit of an action scene for or two.
Starting point is 00:56:47 Yeah. And Beverly shows up in like nightgown with Candle and is yelling at the horror movie grandma to cut it out. I know you're Ronin. And so like all of the green smoke flies out of grandma and rematerializes as Ronin. And like she picks up a dustbuster and she's like, there's no such thing as a ghost.
Starting point is 00:57:13 You are some sort of anaphasic life form. And you've been an alien that's been haunting my family for like 800 years. And this is where your road stops. And she straight up gats him several times. She sets her phaser to vape. Yeah. And she takes him out. Pretty bold move. She also gats the candle, which is like,
Starting point is 00:57:39 thank fuck that candle got killed. Yeah, yeah. The candle gets gatted first because Ronin discloses that he needs the candle. That's where he lives when he's not in a caporial state. Like, part of his reason for going inside her isn't only to pleasure her, but it's to give him a place to live. Yeah, he lives up in there, all up in them guts.
Starting point is 00:58:02 Yeah, yeah. And so without a home, he's basically fucked. So fucked that he, he basically charges it Beverly who shoots him twice and then kills him. So the button on the episode is another girl talked between Beverly and Troy and they're just kind of like wrapping up the exposition like that he had kind of been seducing and incorporating himself into the women and her family for a long, long time. And it ends on this weird note where she says like, I was about to be initiated into a very unusual relationship. You might call it a family tradition.
Starting point is 00:58:51 And I killed him, but everything I've read in my grandma's journal leads me to believe that it was a very like fulfilling experience for her to have this symbiotic relationship with this alien. And it was great for her. Which is the strangest note to end on because it like you just killed him. Like it wasn't that he'd needed to be killed. It was that he had like been dishonest about how he survives, right? Like he wasn't actually a bad guy. He was just trying to survive and like and This was the way he he found to do it
Starting point is 00:59:29 But it didn't didn't it like not really take any agency away from anybody The tone of it was super weird in that There was also almost like a tinge of regret in what Beverly is saying in that she does not regret You know like the grandma's satisfaction in living this way. It felt like she almost regretted the idea that she wouldn't be able to. Like, yeah. Like she saw some, she saw some good part in that.
Starting point is 00:59:58 And I don't know if I find that believable at all. Like she's a career woman. Like she wants to go live on planet Scottish. Like no fucking way, she's gonna spend the rest of her life dusting humbles. Yeah, so it's like it's both that and also like is it necessary answer to what it did? Yeah Yeah, I don't know that it's such a weird half measure into that idea. I mean this sort of assumes that the episode makes any sense but yeah Which it makes so much less sense than the credit we're giving it. Yeah Beverly can't even go so far as to say, like,
Starting point is 01:00:46 I feel bad. The thing I feel worst about is killing the thing my grandma loves the most. That is an efficient way to put her feelings, but she's just unable to get there. She's merely moused about it. Much like I am after all this Radler bin. Did you like this episode? Oh, this Radler bin. Did you like this episode? I did kind of like watching it again. I mean, it's so obviously a failed episode and it fails on a whole bunch of different levels. But man, they swing for the fucking fences on this episode.
Starting point is 01:01:17 Like, let's see how far into a genre we can take this show. And like I don't think that it's a bad instinct, you know? I think that, I think this can succeed just as spectacularly as this failed. And for all of the terribleness of the script, I think there's some really exciting visuals in it. I mean, like, at one point, like, they walk out on the bridge and there is ankle depth fog everywhere.
Starting point is 01:01:58 And it's just like, wow, what a cool, like, I wish, I wish they did shit like this more often. It's so, it's so exciting to see this show just like, present us with a bunch of visuals that are like utterly new to it. It's a show that recycles shots of different ships all the time. It recycles premises, it recycles settings,
Starting point is 01:02:24 and this episode is entirely outside of the constant recycling that it typically does. Yeah, yeah, I agree. I like the idea that Frakes already had the smoke machine, and that was his own personal touch. He's like, I've always wanted to smoke out the bridge. I always keep a cooler dry ice in the back of my car. What do you think Frakes was driving at this point?
Starting point is 01:02:55 Trans-am. Just so the viewer knows for sure, there was no edit to close the distance between the question and the answer there. Like, I jumped all over that. Yeah, Adam had that chambered. I like the episode too. This was a terrible episode, but I liked watching it if that is an equivocation. Like this is a this is cheap popcorn trek
Starting point is 01:03:27 And I think it's okay that the show gets weird what made me sad was like It's very transparent that in season seven everyone's getting their bottle like jordies getting his bottle Beverly's getting his bottle They're all getting a bottle episode toward the end here and I feel a little bit bad that this is Beverly's you know Because this does not play into her strengths as a character and a professional. This is like just getting super weird. And I feel like everyone else to a certain degree is given a professional send-off. Yeah, and like the the like steamy bodice ripy storyline is The like steamy bodice ripary storyline is like would be much more interesting for like a Jordi or a data rather than a you know just like oh she's a woman so she's passionate
Starting point is 01:04:17 right so we'll write her this story yeah you know it's like very insulting like let's see let's see her be like an awesome doctor for an entire episode. Right, right, which is a sensibility that would take 10 years to construct in a viable way. Like you need to shonder rhymes to make that case, I guess. Yeah. Ben, can we make the case for pivoting into P1s right now? I think we sure can. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel.
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Starting point is 01:05:03 Our first is from Tom, and it's for Viv. Hey Adam, hey Ben. You guys have made us laugh so much these past months. Thank you. Viv, my love. I hope you hear this and smile. You're the love of my life. Everyone else, you're all beautiful.
Starting point is 01:05:21 Wow, that was very heartfelt. Geez. You know, after what you could call months and months of people ripping on each other over P1, it's really nice. Yeah. Message your friends. It's a nice palette cleanser after all of the, like, go fuck yourselves that we've gotten between your razazzes and plefimes. Yeah, it feels good. Do we have any other priority one message as I had them? Sure do Ben, this one's from Ensign Gus.
Starting point is 01:05:52 It's for Captain Jordy with a J. Message goes like this from the bridge of the USS Friendship. There's a happy birthday to Captain Jordy and Amsterdam. vintage quality, age to perfection, all the best happy cats, and good luck with your future endeavors. You're the natural yager of my friends, you make web development slightly less horrible. And you're one year older. USS Friendship That seems like a credible Federation Starship name
Starting point is 01:06:30 Yeah, I would rather be on the friendship than the crazy horse to be H Yeah, I think you start a FaceTime with an alien race on a very good foot when you declare you're the captain of the USS friendship. In a way that the captain of the crazy horse has to sort of make excuses for, like, look man, it's just the name of my ship, right? Just just introducing myself. Well, if you have a message of birthday or congratulations or anniversary or even hostility, messages of those kinds can be read on air by going to Maximumfundadorx slash Jembo Tron where personal messages are $100 and commercial messages are $200. They are a great way to help with the ongoing production of our program. Thanks guys!
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Starting point is 01:09:06 We are podcasters, so it's different. Have you heard of Ono Ross and Carrie? We investigate spirituality, claims of the paranormal, stuff like that. And you have a boat and say the world's gonna end, so seem like something for us to check out. We would love to be on the boats. We came to by two.
Starting point is 01:09:19 What do you think? Ono Ross and Carrie, available on maximumfund.org Hey Ben. What's that Adam? Have you been fucked by a drunk Shimoda? Drunk Shimoda! Very deep Adam. Gosh, who could it be but Beverly? And for what other reason than reading, quote, a particularly erotic chapter in her grandmother's journal?
Starting point is 01:09:55 Unquote. Like, give me a fucking break, Bev. Don't read that. That is impersonal as shit. Like Gates McFadden is the actress who, who like left the show over how her character was betrayed. Like, she's got some leverage. I don't think she had to do this if she didn't want to. Ben, I agree. She's also my promoted. I think, I think she deserves extra Shimoda votes for this episode because this is so, like the needle is so pegged here for her.
Starting point is 01:10:32 This is a Hall of Fame Shimoda portrayal of the likes that I don't know that we'll ever see again. Or have seen up until now. It's incredible. The only person more Shimoda like than Beverly in this episode is Jim Shimoda himself in episode two of the show. Ben, I want to read you a quote from Brandon Braga. Quote goes like this, it was the best performance I've ever seen. I just thought she did a wonderful job. The card catch is Beverlybaiting for crying out loud.
Starting point is 01:11:07 What a tough role to play. When I was writing the words, she rides around in the bed having invisible sex. I just thought, oh man, we're asking for trouble. Are they going to be able to pull this off? Thanks to Freaks and Gates, it was not hokey. It was very good. Look, I scripted the first orgasm in the game.
Starting point is 01:11:27 This was mild by comparison, sure it was Racy. Even Rick Burman said, I can't believe we're doing this. I think they trimmed quite a bit out during the writing sequences. So says Brandon Braga. Jesus Christ, Brandon, really? It's got such a fun thing. Dingling, like, how the fuck is he,
Starting point is 01:11:47 the guy that Seth McFarlane taps for the Orville? And we're just sitting here making a goddamn podcast at him. I don't know, dude. Brandon is credited with a lot of good things about TNG, but he's quoted quite often as being kind of a creep. He seems like such an ass wipe. I don't know, I would love to be proven wrong. I don't want to libel him on our pot.
Starting point is 01:12:12 But uh... I don't either, but like, come on man, like, you can't fucking go out in public saying shit like that. Come on. Gates and freaks, gates and freaks, gates and freaks. Ben, what do we have coming up on the next episode? The next episode of the show is season seven episode 15, Loverdex.
Starting point is 01:12:32 While enduring the enterprise's promotion evaluation process for junior officers, find themselves involved, we're gonna top secret mission. Do you remember this episode, Adam? Yeah, this was one of the notable bottles. I think when you talk about fun bottle episodes, it is on that list. Gotta get a little bit more involved
Starting point is 01:12:56 in a Nerso Gawa's lifestyle, and what she's all about. It's a great episode. I think it's like one of the, it's one of the episodes people talk about is great all-time apps. Yeah, I mean TNG gets dinged for not being serialized or whatever, but this is a format
Starting point is 01:13:16 they could have done every season and made interesting. Like give us the one lower dex episode every season and I think that's a totally viable idea It is a it's a star-tark as a place episode, you know like who who else lives on this ship? What is it like for them? What do they not? No, you know like every time the fucking ship pulls up to a Romulan warbird and gets a bang or dropped on it You picture the like 995 people that aren't on the bridge and like wonder what is going through their minds. Like I can't, I can't think of a more interesting story to tell. You gotta think 500 of those people are looking out the window.
Starting point is 01:13:58 Like what the fuck was that? Right? And I wonder if there's a general warning like about get away from the windows. We never hear that announcement. We do not. Well, one thing we do announce at the end of every episode Ben is the way we talk about the episodes with our viewers is over on Twitter using the hashtag greatest gen. I'm over there is a cup for time. Ben is there as Att Benjamin R, A-H-R. We also have a lot of fun interacting with viewers on Reddit at our slash greatest gen and on Facebook and the greatest gen Facebook group and page. Yeah, if you're interested in the the memeification of our show and its relationship to TNG, Facebook has been memed to death and I don't mean that in a bad way. I mean like people are making custom imagery
Starting point is 01:14:53 for the references on our show so check it out if you haven't already. It is great. So we should thank Dark Materia for our theme music and Adam with you see who makes a lot of other music on the program and with that We will be back at you next week with another great episode of Star Trek the next generation An episode of the greatest generation that is hosted by not banner Adam but by Other people that also work on the show. Oh God. I wish other people helped us with this That would be amazing. We just throw them the keys.
Starting point is 01:15:26 Burn it. That would be good. Show better not come back with a dent in it. I got your word, not a scratch. I can show. I can show. I can show. I can show.
Starting point is 01:15:39 I can show. I can show. I can show. I can show. I can show. I can show. I can show. I can show. I can show. I can show. Make it sound. Make it sound. God of the universe, that's fine. See now you can go to Interstitial or me.
Starting point is 01:16:11 Tch. Hey, thanks for editing my episode, Adam. I think this is one of mine, isn't it? No? I can't remember. It's been such a long time since we started that there's no way for either of us to be totally sure. Well, if this is your episode and you're listening to this moment during the edit bin, and you have not killed yourself up to now, I'm sorry. He died doing something he hated.
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