The Greatest Generation - Lethal Minestrone (DS9 S7E6)

Episode Date: September 21, 2020

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and you came up with an exciting and dangerous idea, Ben. Yes. Because you and I have had two bottles of wine on our desk for a while now. This is Chateau de Soto wine, given to us by a viewer. Yeah. Cording Hill Vineyard sent us this. It's a beautiful, beautiful red wine. It's got the likeness of Robert DeSoto on the label.

Actually, kind of fitting because Robert DeSoto gets a name check in this episode. Great call, yeah. Yeah, we're drinking it for him. And I feel like we're going to Romeo and Juliet ourselves here. Ben, I think. You think we're gonna Romeo and Juliet ourselves here. Ben, I think. You think we're gonna get dead? We don't have a hard and fast policy

on consumables on the show. Consumables given to us by viewers. I feel like this is as dangerous as it gets for a podcaster this moment. Somebody bottled their own one. But this is like a real vineyard. Like, they're not gonna give out the name of their real ass vineyard and then poison the wine.

Forgive me for looking at the label, Shatto De Soto, and thinking something may be wrong with the contents. I just don't think like, like from a Colombo standpoint, it's like the dumbest crime possible. It's true. It's true. So should we expire during today's episode, the first suspect should be those at the

Cording Hill Vineyard, those specifically in charge of the 2016 Pinot Noir Barrel Blend Line. Yeah. There you go. 16 P-Node War barrel blend line. Yeah. There you go. I love that this show has yielded a bottling of Chateau Shimoto and now a bottling of Chateau de Soto. I've got to tell you, Ben, something incredibly embarrassing

happened moments ago. Oh, yeah, I ran upstairs. I wanted to give this wine the attention it deserved by pouring it into a vessel for a for aeration. Oh wow, you've decanted. Amazing. I'm just I'm just uncorking right now. You're just going to take yours to the dome and I couldn't find the bottle opener. Meanwhile, my wife is on like important work calls all day. I had to interrupt her. It's three in the afternoon.

I had to interrupt her on an important work called Ask Where The Wine Opener Was. I feel very bad about that. There is a, like, when our wives started having to work from home also because of quarantine, the reveal of what goes on during the day, it's not just that it's embarrassing, I guess I should say, because it is, but it's also like kind of a twist of the naif to people who do serious shit. It's not that we're doing this at them, but it can feel that way sometimes, and it's a natural

feeling. I would prefer that this, that the awful truth of our production remained hidden. I'm putting the glass to my nose as you do with a glass of red wine. Doesn't smell like poison. No, it's got nice stone fruit, kind of spicy notes. I'm getting a note of game room here. Maybe a little bit of the red plastic cup of a pizza place. Mm-hmm. Cheers to you, Ben. Cheers.

Ooh, I like. Nom, nom, Ben. Cheers. Ooh, I like. Numb, numb, numb. Oh, that is really good. That's very good wine. I wish I could remember the name of the person that sent this, but thank you, person. This is the drawback of having so many generous viewers. You have a bottle on your desk for a couple of years and you lose the name, but whoever you are, thanks.

We had a spreadsheet for our wedding to keep track of who we needed to send. Thank you notes to. That's the right thing to do. And that was like, we got married more than five years ago, and my mom recently asked how much a friend of hers had given us as a wedding present, so that she could like. So the weird question. I think the idea being that she could then give a similar amount

to that person's kid in honor of another wedding. But I was like, oh yeah, I actually have that information. I like know exactly what they gave us. I hate that it's like that. You know, it's not good that things be like they are, but they do. I am enjoying this wine very much, Ben. This is a good idea by you. I am really glad we are tucking into some chateau de soudo, and I'm really glad we're tucking into a very interesting episode of Star Trek Deep Space 9. Do you want to get into this bad boy, Adam? Sure do, Ben. It's Deep Space 9, season 7, episode 6, treachery, faith, and the Great River. Do you realize how incredible this is? No, of course you don't. Breachery, Faith and the Great River.

A title I have a problem with from a couple of angles. One, I am a great believer in the series comma. And I don't like this title for not having that. And also, this is a two-line title. When it appears on screen, we get a carriage return into the second line. And it's just like, it's too big. So I have different problems with this than you.

I see commas in the listing here on my streaming service, but no spaces after the commas. So it's treachery comma, no space, faith comma, no space, and the great river. What the hell? This is sort of hard-hitting, star-track criticism. Our viewers have come to expect from the greatest generation. This is why we're the number one Star Trek podcast.

We pulled no punches when it comes to junk happening at the streaming services. Copy editors hate them. Says the ad at the bottom of the internet page. Art tabula ad. Yeah. This is a fun bit of revealing happening here. Fun and also awful if you're someone who keeps a candle lit for one kernel kira. We see a face in a form of ecstasy.

We see a mystery person behind her. It's Odo. Mr. Bogus. This is the Odo massage we've been waiting for, though. You mean a sensual massage? It really is. This is a magic trick we knew to be foundational to their relationship. I like that turn of phrase, Adam.

The using the gold to cover a large swath of back. I have like carpal tunnel or something like my thumb and forefinger in my right hand are constantly giving me problems. This is why you turn me down every time I ask for a back rub from you. Yeah, exactly. I'm just worn out in all the wrong places. But here is really, she has really got this sorted out for the rest of her life if she wants it, right?

I mean, I'll never get tired. I have to revert to my liquid state for eight hours a day, but aside from that, I'm perfectly happy to spend the remaining 16 hours massaging you. There is implied nudity here in the moment that Kira sits up and she's using a blanket to cover herself. How crazy would it have been if there was a giant back tattoo that we hadn't known about? Like, resistance, like military resistance back tattoo on Major Kira. Like a dragon with a Cardassian skeleton in its claws

or something. Yeah. That would have been badass, right? Or some sort of memorial to her dead friends. I would have liked that. I feel like the show has over over the seasons really put in an effort to soften her up. And I know that's a part of her character's growth.

Like when she arrived on the station at first, she was like loaded for bear and ready to fight all the time. And we're supposed to see this as positive growth. But I think it's okay to call that stuff back. And by that, I mean, literally, called back. Like back piece style. Hello, back calling. Remember Kira's past? Hello, back phone. That's an interesting utility of a tattoo, and I can't think of a time when I've seen

a tattoo used like that in a television show, but I really like that idea. Is it the tattoo? Because mine's bigger. Not big enough. I'm not at two. Because mine's bigger. Not big enough. It's crazy that we've wanted a scene like this for so long, showing the sexual utility of an Odo, and we get like two of the same effect scenes cut together here.

Like there's no, there's no, keep it above the waist, Odo. Like as the liquid becomes less viscous, and like there's definitely some reaching around happening. Yeah, he doesn't gold an accommodator onto his face. Take a dive. On the Prominide, things are really looking fucked up. The chief...

I am Chief Miles Edward O'Brien. This is fucking spectacular. Just doing some kind of major maintenance overhaul on Prominid systems. And there is just a jungle of cables and hoses and wires draped all over the place. It's got the promenade shut down, and a certain bar proprietor is ripshit that the promenade is not open to the public at the moment. Now when you do in maintenance on your promenade, one of the new materials that I like to use is pex tubing. Here you'll notice Chifobrion is using 400 meters of pex tubing strewn about.

You'll remember last season we were doing a job in a lot of the copper that we'd requisition to redo the piping was stolen and pex chubbing bass none of those kinds of risks. Here's the thing, a scene like this is tells you one thing, but it's also telling you another unintentional thing, which is on the one hand, for the former Chivo Bryant's very busy. But on the other hand, he is not organized, and this shit looks like a terrible job site.

Yeah, he's definitely got like, hoarder kind of job site, cleanliness vibes. Like, how could that have been if all of his tubing were aligned and not nodded? Like it would have been impressive versus slap dash if we're on the promenade and holy shit, it is really getting worked on. And it's 40 totally aligned, different colored tubes.

It was just a post on our slash networking porn. Right, yeah. See all his cat five cables nicely bundled. But this is not an episode about chief O'Brien's ability. This is actually about his inability to rise to the level of his work statement. This episode is very unkind to him as a character. I feel like you could have used this

with just a little bit of dialogue of like, this all just got blown out and it's an emergency and we're trying to figure out what's going on. Leave me alone quirk. Not. I've been working on this for days and it looks chaotic because I suck at my job. I mean, once you've been in a mind prison for 40 years, I kind of feel like you don't have a capacity for workplace stress anymore.

Yeah. It's all gravy after that, right? Yeah. So he doesn't really have the like pride of workmanship stuff anymore. He's just like, let's just get this shit done. It's not just that the promenades being ripped up for maintenance. It's that Captain Sisko's crawling up his ass about this gravity problem on the little D. Now I'm leaving for Beijor for a conference, and I want that stabilizer replaced by the time I get back.

I can get the part from Bristol. It'll take two weeks, here's your homemade. Cisco is really hammering him here. And it's actually, it's a nogg to the rescue. I can get you that stabilizer, chief. In three days, it'll even ever think to me. I know that chief O'Brien is not only like the head of station maintenance or whatever,

and that nogg is working under him in that capacity, but Nog out ranks chief O'Brien. I feel like this episode a little bit forgets about that. Yeah, they should have erected a statue of Nog at the end of that episode of Lower Decks. So there's whatever this issue on the promenade happening and then also the gravity generators on the little D are fucked up. And Cisco is like, I'm getting an itchy trigger finger. I want to go kill some gem handars.

You got to get my ship back up and running. Do you know how difficult it is to suck soup out of a thermos when we've got 2x gravity on the bridge. It's fucking impossible, Brian. It really slams into the back of your throat when you tip the thermos up. That's some lethal minestrone right there. I should have opted for a thermos that didn't have rifling in the opening. I feel like unfortunate enough to own one of those Zoharishi coffee containers that

keeps your hot beverage hot for like 48 hours. Wow. I feel like if any company were going to come up with a rifled coffee or soup container, it would be them. Yeah, that seems like their way. You don't realize you need it until you have it. Then you can't do without it. Yeah, you can never go back.

That's the downside. It's like when I got my pebble ice machine, every other kind of ice, it now seems disappointing and bad. That's because all other ice is disappointing and bad. Do you ever stick your pebbles into your hammer bag? I have not done that yet. You don't need to do that. That's the pebble gets it done for you.

The pebbles are pretty much pre-hamored. But if you wanted to go for like a real fine snowy kind of ice, you could do that. Gold to cotton, to cotton, to cotton, to cotton. So, Nag has just seen that blog the red paper clip and has become obsessed with the idea of bartering his way towards getting the gravity tech that is needed on the little D because this is not an item that's in stock on deep space 9. So he makes a commitment to a Brian to get this thing. Meanwhile, Odo has taken a run about to a Star Trek cave somewhere because he's gotten word that one of his best contacts in the Cardassian military is not as dead as he had previously thought and might still be willing

to filter information out to him. This is like a pretty interesting thing that they've implied about Oto several times that he like kind of maintains his own intelligence network that is separate from and perhaps perhaps just as capable as the federation intelligence services. It's weird like when Oto arrives in the Star Trek caves he looks a couple inches shorter and that's because when we cut back to Kira she's sort of been left on the stove and his hands are still working that back. Yeah, so like there's a sea storyline in this episode that we come back to a few times, which is just Kira getting more and more relaxed. Right. She's just insatiable, and it's thanks to Odo's David Kronenberg-like hands being left behind.

So it's not in fact this Cardassian in the Star Trek cave waiting for him, but Wei-Yun! start track cave waiting for him. But way in! The way in rule with zeal. The way in plot and scheme. The way in clone yourself. No, no, you creeped the hell out of me. And Wei-Yun is defecting. He wants to leave the Dominion and come be a servant to Odo. Wei-Yun is the Captain Ramias of this episode, isn't he? Yeah, I guess so. I guess that makes Odo the Alec Baldwin.

I've always wanted to see Shishko's the restaurant. What's his plan? His plan? His plan. Russians don't take a dump, so I don't have that plan. Well, you'd kind of explain that he's leaving because he didn't do a good enough war. Like, the war was supposed to be over a long time ago. It's sort of a, I'm defecting because I suck it, what I do. So I'm getting out before they just, you know, put me out of my misery basically.

It would be like if Captain Ramias were defecting when it was really Sam Neol's fault. Like, it's not Wayun's fault, it's Demar's fault that should have fallen apart, right? Right. I mean, I would say that they kind of share a lot of the blame, but it does seem like Wayoon is kind of there to oversee Dammar and so feels like the buck sort of stops

with him in a certain way. It feels very squishy the idea of Wayoon trading information for asylum and yet, you yet, we understand that Odo is going to take him back to be interrogated and imprisoned. Right. So I'm a little bit unclear on what the benefit may be to a wayune in the circumstance. Like there is no freedom for him ever.

Yeah, I mean, but he is also a character who's been like genetically denied freedom for his entire existence. So it may feel like a lateral move to go be a POW somewhere. And I think we get the sense throughout this episode just how much of any mental prison, a figure like Wayune is at all times. Yeah, it's a very tragic thing when you hear what life is like for the Vorta. Yeah, very sympathetic figures. So we get our title sequence and we come back. Meanwhile, I'm getting my second glass. You're probably on your third, right?

I'm actually still working on glass number one, but a shit dog. Well, if I collapse, I'll be the wine canary in our show, Cool Mine. Sure. So Odo sort of agrees to take wayoon back with him and they beam up to the runabout. Odo goes for his communicator and he like, he's got a stump, so he misses it. Oh, sorry, I forgot. I left my hands in my other pants. Isn't there room for that kind of comedy in this show? Come on. And then way you go, founder, let me hit your communicator for you. So they start to head back.

You know, like peppered throughout this is all of the way you're trying to call Odo a God and Odo pushing back really hard on that. But let's talk about what's going on with chief and Nug. Oh, the other pepper. Because peppered throughout this episode is the idea of of this bartering needed to happen. Yeah, this is a stabilizer bribery is in play and unfortunately like O'Brien's having to depend on Nug to make this happen. He doesn't have the This is a... This is a... This is a... This is a... This is a... This is a... This is a... This is a... This is a... This is a... This is a... This is a... This is a...

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And I'm working out a no-J consortium level plan for how to get access to this thing. You can't get a better stumble in the sector. And we have a hundred gross of them. There's a lot of stumbles. If we can move Yamak's us in the volume that we can, we can get our hands on this stabilizer. But Nug needs one very critical thing from the chief.

And this is like, this is one of those moments where you're just like, why doesn't Nug just order the chief to give him this thumbprint? Like, why is it a Nug begging the chief as though he is his superior? This is an episode that asks you to suspend your disbelief in a lot of areas. Ben, because I don't know if you're aware, but deep space nine is a station that many starfleet ships dock at for rest and repair. Does it seem a little bit far fetch to you that any part for a starship wouldn't be available there, especially for the one that's stationed on the ship? Right.

Yeah, there should be just like cargo base full of this kind of stuff, right? It's insane. They're always repairing other ships. Always. That's kind of their job, right? Yeah. Back on the runabout, Odo and Wayune get a call from Demar and Wayune. And we come to find out that Wayune 5, who is the previous wayune we've, we've been dealing with

was probably killed by demar and the defector wayune is wayune six. And we're now on FaceTime was wayune seven, who claims that what we've got here is a defective defector. here is a defective defector. Demar is so fucking dumb because in this scene, he actually says that it's too complicated to hold this idea in his head because Demar, for some reason, can't count from five to seven. I actually have a theory about this, Adam. And what do you think about this? I kind of think Demar is maybe drinking a little too much. He does seem to have

a problem. It's only implied at him, but I personally think maybe Demar is a hidden assassin little hard. You know, if Demar just stopped and looked around, I think he'd see a lot of people that care to create deal about him. And would like him to get help today. It's like he keeps making the same choice and expecting a different result. And that's just so sad. Cheers to you, buddy. Ten chin.

Weyun seven, once weyun six, to prove his loyalty to the founders. Yeah, and I mean, there's only one way to do that when you're a Vorta and that's eat a bullet. And by bullet, we learned that all Vorta's have a kind of cyanide capsule in their brain stem. All you have to do is give the earlobe a little twist, and that thing goes off.

I would have loved to see Councillor Troy advise a Vorda to do some plexing in order to to take the edge off their anxiety. There's a nerve cluster just behind the carotid artery. It stimulates the part of the brain that releases natural endorphins. I have exactly the same note here. It's that the term for a Vorda twisting his earlobe to death is doing barkly. This idea is like planted in this scene, but then paid off later when it actually is shown. And I would like, my mind was fucking blown that it was a push button endeavor.

Like, you could just reach out behind a V Vordas ear and ice them in one go. If you had an off switch doctor, would you not keep it secret? I mean, haven't we seen the way that Gem had our ship's work is that you put a thing over your ears with like an on-peer? Yeah, that like augmented reality headset. You gotta be really careful putting a headset on a furoforta, right? Oh no, I only do earbuds. No over-the-ear headphones. It gives me the willies just to have anything touching back there. We took out an entire department when we went to Zoom-based meetings.

Not too long ago. It was a blood bath. To make my honest about it, I've been a pair of fucking the pay. Mr. Bucket, I have to revert back to my state. Oh, I don't use the bucket anymore. But a bond is starting to grow between Wayne Six and Odo. You know, Odo tells Wade Seven and Demar to push their own buttons and fuck off. And Wayne Six super appreciates that. This is a really neat subtext that's introduced here and it goes something like this. Wayne is different from the rest of the Vorta. He's seen as defective and broken and he has that in common with Odo who is also a part of a culture, also seen as separate, and in his own way, broken.

They have that in common. And they can talk about how hard it is to walk away from their people, which they have now both done. Right. So here's where the conflict is introduced. Wayune is forbidding, I should say, wayune seven is forbidding the killing of a founder because Dimaras, like, let's just fucking blow up the run about, what are we even waiting for? Dimaras believing that wayune 6's death is the only thing that's gonna stop military secrets from falling into Federation hands. And so those two corresponding ideas are in play here. And this is where Wayun VII makes his Faustian bargain.

This, like, well, if we tell some Gemadar to blow up the runabout and simply omit that a founder, I.E. Odo, was on board, they will blow it up. That's what Gemadar due. And the only people that will be able to say that there was definitely a founder on board are us, and we just won't tell anybody. And no sooner have they agreed to this arrangement that change leader walks in.

Yeah. Remember to tell them to fire on site. Fire at home. And like you never want to comment on someone's appearance, but change leaders looking pretty rough. She's real wrinkled up and she's able to kind of square that away when they ask about it, but it seems like she is under the weather and showing it through wrinkledness. Yeah. Does it really get effect? The cross-fade of wrinkled loaf to unwrinkled loaf? That it worked really well.

The actor who plays change leader kind of drops her head suddenly and then when she picks it up, she's, she's smooth again. It feels like an effortful moment, you know. Yeah, totally. Did you forget the Esri was on the show because I did. Right before we cut directly to her, Kira is pissed because Kira has discovered that the captain's desk is gone.

Yeah, this is another big suspension of disbelief moment for me because we're in a replicator society post-scarcity. And we're being asked to believe that not only is a gravity emitter, not an easy thing to get on the station, but also if the captain's desk is removed from his office, there is no way to get one that looks exactly the same, made and installed quickly. Also, you don't get the sense that this is the resolute desk,

like a desk of a certain historical significance. It's like standard issue Cardassian station desk. I'm surprised, but you're in protesters haven't stormed Cisco's office and thrown his desk into space, given the fact that it was also fucking Guldu-Cott's desk, you know? We learn that the desk has been loaned to Al Lorenzo, who has a penchant for taking pictures with famous desks. That's his thing. It seems a little pervy to me. It's mentioned that he's

that he's taken such a picture with Captain DeSoto's desk. Yeah. Which I guess we could call the irresolute desk. It's probably like a pizza, a parlor arcade table. It would be an honor. I was kind of picturing like a beer pong table that has like a couple of pads sitting on it. It's a poker table like with cup holders and like padded, a padded rim. Yeah. Like what?

DeSoto, this is a great office, but why does the chairs at your desk have cup holders and then the desk itself also have cup holders? Why does your desk have pockets, pockets of pool table? Ha, ha, ha, ha. So, not it explains this whole thing to the chief who is, you know, he's taking a break from a very stressful work week to hear Nog explain the Varengi cosmology surrounding the river of material goods or something like that.

What's it called? The Great Material Continual. And they like throw some like Star Wars-y kind of terminology into this that I thought was very fun. It's the force that binds the universe together. I must have missed that class in engineering school. But basically, the idea is that there is like stuff that is unevenly distributed all over the universe and it is the great mission of the Ferengy to like make profit by selling stuff that is scarce one place from stuff that it, from a place that it is abundant.

It's basically like the Ferengy's project is to earn profit by prosecuting entropy. Like, you know. I found myself kind of falling for this philosophy in a weird way. Like, we have everything we need on Earth. Why is it that it's just distributed so unevenly? Like if we could find a way to interface with this material continuum in a way that helped everyone. Yeah. No one would want for anything.

It sort of speaks to what we do here, which is we found that there was a want and lack of Star Trek fart jokes in the world. Right. And we use the medium of internet to disseminate them to all of the people that don't have enough of them. As Nog tells O'Brien about this river, this great material continuum, O'Brien grabs for his kayaking shoulder. O'Brien not a man that has a good relationship with rivers of any kind. He's always trying to fight the river.

Yeah. He's a guy that's trying to go upstream. Yeah. Another thing that is peppered in about Farenki in this scene is that they're taught this as Farenki before they get their second set of ears. Yeah. They're like lose their ears like you lose your teeth. Yeah. If you're a human if you're an a pre-pubescent Ferengi do you does a parent tie an ear to a door a door knob and then Serifian ear out It may be wonder like dog was a pretty little kid when we first met him

Yeah, did he he must have already had his second set of ears by then. Is there an ear fairy and forrangi culture where you stick your baby ears under your pillow and you get some slip from the lab? Yeah, but they probably try and stab and eat the fairy when it comes to, you know. I bet that's a forrangi child's first trade for slips of platinum, you know? Oh yeah. Yeah. A bit that's a that's a Furnaky child's first trade for slips of Latin, you know? Oh, yeah. On the runabout, we learn that way you know, is a loud sleeper. He's been having nightmares about his future

at Starfleet HQ. And if his nightmare didn't wake him up, the bangers that come would have, because we get bangers to commercial here, they're under attack. There is a tick trying to crawl up their ass. And this is one of those scenes that really shows off the season seven CG animation abilities of this show.

I really liked how dynamic this sequence was and how big the tick feels relative to the runabout. I feel like being able to move the camera around a lot and move the ship's relative to each other. Let's them like parallax the ships in a way that really gives a sense of scale. And it really feels scary until wayune is like, all right, like all we gotta do is pump the brakes, get the runabout situated over top of the tick and punch a hole right about here.

And suddenly ticks are not scary anymore. They are easy to kill. Yeah, this seems to be maybe the most valuable piece of intelligence we've ever seen on Deep Space 9. And it is treated like it's trivial. It's nuts. Like the next time we see a space battle with ticks, I want to see. Yeah, it's why is it not referred to we get another space battle with ticks, I want to see.

Yeah, it's, why is it not referred to, we get another scene in this episode, Penn. Yeah. I mean, that like, we get four against one. They know how to destroy them. But seriously, like, the next time there's like, you know, one of those totally like slap-dash federation fleets of like 75 ships of 13 different designs heading into battle with ticks. I want to see them just like sticking and moving to get around over top of the ticks and just take them out with reckless abandon. They could do a Del Sol car show parade drive like with that with that class

of ship and really do a lot of damage. Oh, yeah, the the DEL souls with the big weapon platform. Yeah, that's big fun. They would fuck shit up. Well, you Feel some feelings about this moment. Ena, this is in many ways kind of a point of no return. Yeah, it's been speculative up until this point what it would feel like to switch sides. But now, now he knows. It doesn't feel good. been speculative up until this point what it would feel like to switch sides, but now he knows. It doesn't feel good. Yeah, it kind of reminded me of the garrick going slowly crazy over helping the federations

wore effort against the Kardashians, wayune is kind of coping with the fact that that he is now abetting the enemy of his people. Right. Back in the station, O'Brien is looking for a nog who is missing. And in walking the station, confronts Rahm who it's a fairly big revelation for me as a mouth worker. Yeah, he's catching all kinds of flies with his open mouth. Here's the shot in the chaser, Ben. Shot is with not gone at least nothing else will go missing. The chaser is the cargo bay shot with Martaux missing blood wine. Yeah, a lot of funny smash cats.

We bang bang. A lot of like, hey, remember, Wurf is also on this show. Right. I feel like any character that's not in the A or B stories on this episode is like a, it feels more like a walk on cameo than anything else. Demar and Wei-Yun are incredulous about the destruction of their tick when change leader arrives. This is the scene that you were referring to earlier. She is a raisin in the sun.

Yeah. And she does that thing that older people sometimes do when they come to visit, immediately complain about the temperature. And Wei-Yun is all too happy to turn down the thermostat. But from now on, I want the temperature in these rooms lowered by 15 degrees. I'm all for this, but my wife would murder me if I turned the thermostat down 15 degrees. That is a lot of degrees.

It's a ton. I guess the question is, what the system of weights and measures is on Cardassia? Because if we're talking about Celsius, that's crazy. And if we're talking about Fahrenheit, it's like still pretty major, but not as major. I don't understand. I mean, the Cardassians wear layer after layer of clothing. They still like it hot. Yeah.

They're, they're a lizardy, you know, like they probably, they probably have cold blood. They got those scales, you know? After change leader leaves, Demar makes some pretty unfortunate comments about her appearance, which I would say definitely puts him in the crosshairs of Cardassian HR. Yeah, especially when you're on the job, talking that kind of shit about somebody that's like two

rungs above you on the org chart, not going to go over great. Yeah, especially when, I mean, it's pretty clear, no one likes change leader. You don't have to go on that out on that kind of limb. You can just make significant eye contact with Wei Yun Seven and he will know what you're thinking and nobody will get in trouble. The vortus sense of taste is quite limited. The Wei Yun on the run about, though, tells Odo a very interesting story. It's the Vorta origin story. You must know the story of how the founders created the Vorta. They were sort of Ewoks and this, like, I really liked this moment because it felt very mythologized, like maybe it bears some gestural resemblance to the truth of what happened, but has sort of become this Genesis-like myth for LaVorta and a story that he tells with this rever that when you hear the the origin myth of another

religion, it always sounds a little bit silly because it's just not the one that you grew up with, you know. I agree. There's there is a vanity to one's own personal religion in play here and there's an absurdity to Odo hearing about the origin story for the Vorda that I think you can understand contemporary. Yeah. All religious origin stories are silly. I think that's I think that's what we're trying to say on the greatest generation. That's the moral of the story. The T that's getting spilled here is

quite abundant because we also find out about this blight that is messing with the founders, which is not just a political crisis for the dominion, but a quasi-religious crisis for Wayoon. It's part of why Wayoon Six left was he started to notice this thing that was happening to change leader, and it's happening apparently throughout the Great Link, and if they can't cure it, all of the founders will die, except for Odo who, because he hasn't been in contact with them, doesn't have it. And therefore is going to be the Kiefer Sutherland of the Dominion where it all becomes his if the rest of the founders die out. I really wonder how elastic this note card was in the writer's room with where and when this revelation was dropped. Because if we go back to the Star Trek cave

after Odo meets Wei-Yoon for the first time, if Wei-Yoon's line is, the founders are dying, and then we cut the theme song. Yeah. It works there too. I think it works in a lot of places. Yeah. I don't understand, like, the idea of Wei-Yoon 6

bearing the lead here for dramatic effect, I think actually takes the strength out of this revelation a little bit, because this is really the top line story for his existence right now. This is his motivation. It doesn't seem believable that he would keep this back. I mean, I don't mind that he kept it back,

but I do find that this, like, I think that there's some stuff in this episode that strains credulity before this moment, but we get to this moment and, you know, then they're set upon by four Jammardar ships, and everything after this moment feels like what could have been a great episode just falling flat on its face. Tell me how, Ben. Well, there is a very dumb and bad storyline about them going and hiding in some comet fragments in a kiper belt nearby where they're like freezing their asses off in the runabout inside this comet. We know runabouts have winter coats inside also. At least one, if not more than one, depending on how badly you crashland it.

Also, I could become a winter coat. If I must. Yeah, and Oda was one of the winter coat usists in the winter coat episode, right? It's crazy to me. Also just like the show, like losing its track of how space works, like they're inside the... We had to Kira being massaged by by Odo severed hands and they suddenly get very cold. She's like, woo, chilly. They're like hunkered down in the cockpit of the runabout and they start hearing bangs and it's for other comet fragments far away being blown up by the

gem hadar. You wouldn't hear them them. That's not how space works. In space, no one can hear you scream. It is very cool. In space. Star Trek definitely goes and, you know, you can hear phaser fire in space and warp the cells heating up in space and stuff. And that's a little bit of artistic license that they take.

But it never breaks the reality of characters being able to hear far away explosions through the vacuum. The one thing that I will give this scene and scenes related to it is that I like, like the way you were mentioning before during the battle scene, I like the different angles, I like, like the way you were mentioning before during the battle scene, I like the different angles, I like the, I feel like the massive things in the Kuiper Belt looks pretty good and well realized. I think that's, it's a well executed episode that has a bad last act. last act. Well, it's in the last act that wayune 6 crunches his cyanide tooth during a face time with wayune 7 and tomorrow.

He does this to save Odo's life. What have you done? I've saved your life and the dominions as well. This is, you know, the A and B story running in parallel and it seems like the walls of the trash compactor are closing in on Chief O'Brien and it seems like the Gemini are inevitably going to kill Odo in wayoon six and thenun 6 kills himself, and Nug has arranged all of the correct blood wine to go to all of the correct Klingon leaders and all of the correct gravity devices to be installed on the little D, and all as well. Captain, you're a desk. Yes.

Looks nice, doesn't it? I came in this morning and found Insan Nugb nog polishing it. Everything's back in its right place again. It would have been nice if wayune had just like recorded like, hey, before you push the single push button on your suicide device, spend 15 minutes laying down just some audio for Federation intelligence about some stuff. Right. What do you think the best stuff you've got is? A couple of big takeaways are that the Vorta are not side sleepers. The sun made change leader is emblematic of a bigger problem.

Yeah. And Odo, in the end, the button on the episode is Odo tells Kira about his day and knowing what he knows about the founder's disease. Like he's sort of pre-alone, right? Like he was alone when we met him. Yeah. He feels alone. He has felt alone throughout Deep Space Nine as being apart from the rest of the founders, and now he's looking at a future where being the last of his kind will make him utterly alone forever. He is sort of starting to realize that the Dominion War, more than anything else, is exactly like alien versus predator. Whichever side wins, one thing is certain, I'm going to lose.

And he sort of like, he applies some dark eyeliner and he, he darkens his clothing a bit. Have you ever seen the movie The Crow? Dragic backstory. Did you like this episode, Ben? tragic backstory. Did you like this episode Ben? Oh man, I liked so much of this episode. It's hard for me to, it's hard for me to drag it, but I think that it just doesn't, and like, I like that button too. Like I, it's that last, it's the it's the denumer that I don't like. You don't like the captain's desk being back and Marta having his blood wine being better than ever. Like, you don't like the tidiness?

I like that. I thought that was fine. It was the just kind of like, yeah, we gotta solve this problem. We gotta like have them here that they're in danger despite the vacuum of space and get out of there. I think the story is more interesting if there's a way you in six on our side and a way you in seven on their side, you know?

Like it doesn't raise the stakes. In fact, it probably lowers the stakes as it makes it easier for the protagonists to win, but also like give Jeffrey Cums more weird shit to do, you know. I was just going to say that like we need to get Jeffrey Cums paid. I think by having him in double the amount of episode time that that we could do that. If I were him, I'd be pissed. I would too. Um, you know, he's like earned his way ahead of even nog as like a

character that should be in the title crawl of the show. Right. And I just think that they kind of lost their nerve with the way they oriented this episode toward its conclusion. Hmm. How about you? I mean, that was an incredibly articulate way to prove for someone who's been pounding wine on a Thursday. Somebody who's halfway through a bottle of red. Our Adam and Ben going to finish a bottle of wine each on Thursday at 4 p.m.

That sounds though. I need to move my car. I'm gonna have to ask my wife to move my car because I got drunk at work. This is the problem with quarantining at home with a working spouse. Like, they know it all, they know everything, Ben. Fucking sex. Jesus Christ.

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Who knows? Doesn't seem to have a ship. I think you're kind of emboldened by the cyanide capsule in your brainstem if you're aorta, right? You can kind of do whatever and know that no matter what, you can get out of the situation if you're a vorta, right? You can kind of do whatever and know that no matter what you can get out of the situation because you're a clone. Yeah. And you're just gonna, you're just gonna crop up another time. I think that's kind of an ultimate Shimoda. If Jim Shimoda were in that episode, the naked now, and he were stacking his chips and he just crunched

the capsule. And he started all over again in the next episode. I mean, that's the sort of abandoned that way you and six is acting on Yeah, that is why he's my drunk Shimoda. That's a solid Shimoda Adam. It doesn't have to be my Shimoda though Because my Shimoda is chief O'Brien Who's pulling things out of other things? It's Chief O'Brien. He's the one with the messy workspace. He's the one that is blowing in the wind that nog shouts at him the entire episode. He is a character with zero agency.

He's the one dancing in the museum. Ha, ha, ha. Yeah, Chief O'Brien is my drunk Shemota. Dancing in museum like no one's watching. That's the needle point pillow for the greatest generation. But as we wrap this episode up, we've got to figure out what we're watching next week and how we're going to do the episode then. That is true, my friend. The next episode of Star Trek Deep Space 9 happens to be episode 7 of season 7. It's called Once More Unto the Breach. She's come on. Find a comma, guys. on. Find a comma, guys. Worst decision to send a legendary Klingon warrior back into battle.

Could have deadly consequences. I have restarted communications with K-Lis. God, wouldn't that be great? I want this to be a careless episode. That would be cool. Alright, Ben, well, we really got rocked the last episode on the Game of Buttholes. Will the profits? Yeah, we dropped over 40 squares on the game board. And that is crazy to me. Right now we're on square 18.

Out ahead, we've got a space space but hole again that could drop us onto Debbie cool a his eyes uncovered square and There's also a banger that I believe is in range So I'm gonna go ahead and roll this bone you're required to learn as you play roll Yeah, let's go back down to square two. I'm gonna game a butthole's what the fuck? Let's hope that does not happen, my friend. Tula!

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