The Greatest Generation - Lights On (DS9 S7E23)

Episode Date: January 18, 2021

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What's not? What are you doing? World's collide. It's a Star Trek podcast by a couple of guys, a little bit embarrassed to have a Star Trek podcast. I'm Adam Pryanaka. I'm Ben Harrison. I think that that was a fair mistake

because we just recorded a little pickup for our other smash hit Star Trek podcast, the greatest discovery right before we started on today's episode. We had some erroneous information in the last episode. We just needed to fix it. We had to set the record straight as we often do. If anyone listens to the very end of the episode, you'll find a lot of corrections

back behind the credits, read in the Micro Machines voice to squeeze them all in. It's the fine print of audio, the Micro Machines voice. I'm wondering if I'm fucking up so much already today because I've been drinking poison. What have you been drinking? What's poisoning you? I made myself an iced coffee before getting on because when we record in the afternoons that's usually afternoon coffee time for me. Oh yeah.

And so I poured myself a big mug of iced coffee. I added just a Just a blip of simple syrup. Uh-huh Give it a swish through in some ice and I'm good to go and I didn't notice until I took it to the dome That syrup was moldy. Oh, no moldy syrup and I'm usually like like hot tip You want to put a shot of vodka and your simple syrup if you can. Because it helps to, helps it last a little longer.

Here's another hot tip, Adam. If you do two cups of sugar to one cup of water, that will also make it last longer. And if you combine those two things, it lasts forever. Wow. I did not know that. Yeah. Ordinarily, that'd be something I would learn

from a Let's Drink About It program or similar. But yeah, so I've been drinking mold today and it made me wonder, Ben, what is the moldiest or most spoiled thing you've ever consumed. And then what happened to you? I don't know if I've ever gotten sick from a thing that was moldy and known it was because of that.

I'm like a total kind of a bit off of a thing and still eat it if it's got mold on it guy. Yeah. To a point where like my wife has been like extremely dismayed to see me like plow through some leftovers that, you know, she would have thrown away and I wouldn't. Uh huh. But I'll tell you, I was sick a couple of weeks ago

as many people know. I was like super duper sick and bad for a week and. Many people continue to diagnose you. I know. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's very fun to be told I had COVID, even though I've tested negative several times. A baby I did. I don't know. I'm, either way, I'm not sick anymore. So that, but thank you for your concern. But I made dinner the other night,

and I realized like when I sat down, it was beyond burgers with brussel sprouts as a side, like sauteed brussel sprouts with garlic as a side. It sounds like a gassy combination. I sat down in front of the plate and realized that it was the exact configuration of foods that I had made the night before I woke up very sick and I couldn't get through it. I cut the burger in half,

I took like four bites and I was like I'm too grossed out to proceed any further. Your body really remembers that kind of trauma in an interesting way. It's one of the reasons I can't drink Kuhler's Light beer. It's because I've sentry clubbed that beer and my body henceforth was like, we're not going to do that again. That's one of the most right-wing consumer dollars you can spend in the United States with the Kuhler's company. They're big supporters of the John Birch Society. So, you're gain, man. All right. Don't drink that junk. uh... with the kurs company they've they're big supporters of the john birch society so

you're you're gain man alright don't drink that junk i have plenty of other junky beers to drink that's what i meant to do there's there's no shortage of porch beer options that's for sure that's it that's like one of the prime types of american beer and now that micro brews have finally gotten with the program and are and are making more and more porch beers these days, I'm a happy guy. That's a nice move by the microbrews.

Like make a porch beer that is slightly more interesting than a macro, but still, crushable as hell. Don't give me too much taste. I'll dial it back on that. One thing that has resulted from my having been very sick is that I accidentally went two weeks without having any alcohol. That was like, wow, I'm like well into January without having had any alcohol. I might as well just make this a dry January.

And that's where you're at. That's where I'm at. And then I realized today, there's a very strong likelihood that the game of buttholes, the will of the profits, will fuck my dry January up before it is over. And I think that the game of buttholes is in charge on this one.

Not gonna drink for fun, but I'll drink for work. I mean, and in that case, it doesn't count, right? Yeah, of course not. Like, there are lots of people in my family that have addiction issues, and I never drank until I was of legal drinking age because I was really scared of it, and I entered the waters of consuming alcohol very delicately because I did not want to find that I had an addictive relationship with it. And I guess maybe the instinct is just like, reproved to myself that that's the case,

but also, I mean, I know, you know, the rule with addiction is that you do things that like fuck up other parts of your life to get more. And that's just never been the relationship I had with, with boots. Right, because you and I can, can always access as much as we need. There's never any trade-off there. Yeah. Yeah, it's an abundance issue for us. Yeah, right. That's how we know it's not a problem.

Yeah. It is a lot like the Star Trek franchise itself. Right. That's how we know it's not a problem. It is a lot like the Star Trek franchise itself. Yeah. Right. We could quit anytime. Abundance, not a problem. What we're here to litigate is the quality of that product. Yes.

And we might as well get started with today's episode, Ben. I'm into it. It's season 7, episode 23, Extreme Measures. Do you realize how incredible this is? No, of course you're done. So Gene Hackman kills a unhoused person and then puts their body up on a gurney and then takes them to some weird like like speakeasy morgue, right? Yeah, yeah.

You know, like why is it such a rainy film stock? Does it think that that makes it look cool? Because it just kind of makes it look more like a B movie, which it already weirdly feels like, despite Gene Hackman being in it. What it really is is a morality play between two different kinds of medical professionals. One who's willing to sacrifice today for a better future.

Right. And the other, the Hugh Grant character, is like, no man, this is inhumane. We have these ethics for a reason. Yeah. So did you like this episode? You're really going to do this here. Now, okay, okay, let's do it. You know, that's actually un-themed for this episode in a lot of ways that do we sacrifice our principles now for a better future.

Right. Because the medical professional in question here is one Dr. Julian Bashir and his patient is Odo. Who is so close to death that they've proactively put him in a torpedo tube. I gotta say, if I were ever in the hospital for any length of time, and I woke to find myself just in a body bag, haps it up. Well, a doctor continued to work on me. I wouldn't have a good feeling about my outcomes.

Yeah, I guess this thing is supposedly stabilizing him, but there's, like he really wants to know, Yeah, I guess this thing is supposedly stabilizing him, but There's like he really wants to know like what's the trend line? Like if you can if you can plot out how badly I'm falling apart here and tell me how much time I have left That's exactly the information I want to know and Bashir declines to speculate on that a week, maybe two. Why don't you spring for the good stuff, Bashir? The pure aloe vera that you can only get in Hawaii and hot weather countries.

I'm not talking about that fake gel that's neon green that you see in the end cap of the CVS during the summer. I'm talking about like the $20 of bottle stuff you get behind the counter. What about a gold bond medicated lotion? With that help? I said it should have some lanyl in it. Not some goddamn Alonfero bullshit.

How about fucker? Yeah. I think part of the reason he's in the torpedo is for easy cleanup, you know? Like because the torpedo is kind of bowl-shaped, obviously, and the... It's kind of... The casket is open in such a way that like anything that flakes off of them is just

going to fall harmlessly inside. They don't even need to pull another sheet of paper across a bio-bed. It's a... no must, no fuss. We've watched changelings die before, and it seems like they tend to explode. So what do you think they're expecting to happen if Odo were to succumb to his disease? Probably just flake into dead leaves, right?

And then close up the torpedo, and that's the thing. It does seem to be like reinforced. There's like ribbing on the side. So maybe they're just trying to like direct the explosion into the tube. God, I wish so bad that that was the certainty. Like all change links explode upon death. It's like that reinforced concrete bowl

that the bomb squad sometimes uses. You know, like if they know something's gonna go off and they don't have any way to like, to like defuse it in time, they put it in that bowl. Dr. Why are you wearing a full body suit? Why do you have those wire cutters, Bashir? What are you doing? Let me emphasize, Odo, that I haven't given up hope.

He wants to see Kira, who, throughout this entire scene, I was like, where is she? Like, looking all around the bedside, I'm home. He wants to see Kira, who, throughout this entire scene, I was like, where is she? Like, I'm looking all around the bedside, I'm not seeing her. She had to wait outside, but she's not far away and she comes in and she does that nice thing that people who love a sick person do, like they walk into the hospital room and they're, she's like, how's my flaky little guy doing? My crusty little bread stick, my crunchy little scone.

That's a big pile of autumn leaves that I'd love to just leap into right there. How's my dry bowl of cereal doing? You know you're my raisin brand, don't you? You know it. He basically kicks her off the station. If she has her way, she is staying by his side until the end and he like A would like her

to be much more focused on helping the Cardassian resistance and B does not want the last thing he sees before he shuffles loose this mortal coil to be grief on Kieres face. This is a great moment for Renee Aubergenwaw. Like I really had some fields here. It's hard not to put yourself in his place just thinking about, you know, so much of my life has been about trying not to put yourself in his place, just thinking about, you know,

so much of my life has been about trying not to be a burden on other people. So like, when I saw what he was trying to do, I was like, yeah, man, I get that completely. But also, it's an example of an actor knowing probably so many times you get this scene where it's like that, that scene in the movie where someone nurses an animal back to health and has to release them into the wild

and has to yell at it to set it free. Get out of here! Right, but this never feels that way. And I think it's because of the quality of the actors and the acting and the scene. It's really nicely done. I agree. I also liked how much of the history of the characters is baked into it. Like he talks about her losing barile like in the same room. And he's thinking about like the real lived experience of this character and not creating a haunted place for her in the future.

Isn't that my choice? She agrees to what he asks. Yeah. If you love someone, go away. Say yourself free, I guess. If you go back, you didn't actually listen to what they were saying. Yeah. I think it's how the saying goes, right? Yeah. If you go back, why are you being such a selfish jerk? I know why the uncaged bird sings, because she won't have to look at me dying. I'm concerned about seeing the pain in her eyes and also the fear, moments before I explode. No one that I could take her with me.

One of the grossest kisses in Star Trek history. She kisses him goodbye, even though he's super flaky. It's like when you bite into a powdered doughnut in your face is covered in powdered sugar. Kira pulls away from the kiss and it looks like she's braided her face with glue and then taken a dive into a pile of dead leaves. Yeah. She walks down the framerate at a two-foot Brian season and she's like, oh, she must have had one of them deluxe jump-justics.

Outside it's O'Brien and Garrick left a brief sysco on the status of the brain weapon. Not a lot of good news about what's going on here. Yeah. Garrick and Kira have to kind of cut loose because they have to slip past a lot of Gem Harp patrols to get back to resistance HQ. Good hunting to you both. And so they're off. And this this McLaughlin group is your walk. Kind of changes configurations because now it's Bashir and O'Brien there talking to Siskio about what their big diabolical plan is W-slash-r-slash-t section 31. We believe that they were responsible from facting out on the first place.

What? I feel like if we were ever to do an award show for DS9, Avery Brooks' take of what? What? It's so good. He's an Alzheimer. An all-time single-word line read. What?

Yeah. It's incredible. His jaw is on the fucking floor. He is gobsmacked by this. Because it's so interesting to me, because like nobody ever says this, but what O'Brien and Bashir have set about doing is a perfectly section 31 style plan. Yeah. It's like, we're going to use illegal technology.

We're going to spread misinformation. We're going to lure this guy here and torture him until we get the information inside his head. We're going to like completely throw all of the rules, regulations, ethics, and morals out the window in order to trap Sloan and get the solution to Odo's problem. And at the end of the scene, and Cisco's like, well, it's any number of crimes, but I guess it's what we have to do because it's already in motion. Yeah, I mean, this is also coming from a guy

who not quite explicitly told Wharf to kill Gauron in the last episode, you know? Yeah. And isn't this the version of Cisco that I think we were promised at the end of in the Pale Moonlight, right? The guy who may feel justified in taking a path like this. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, like the last time we saw Sloan, it was clear that like, you can't go for help

when section 31 is in play. Nobody, like if you start asking for help in Starfleet, people will hear that are in a position to make it harder, not easier for you to get help. And so you kind of have to go outside the law in order to do it. But I don't know. Like I thought a lot about what could be done with this episode. And this is the episode about saving Odo.

And I wondered if since this is the end run of the last season, what if it's kill Odo and then Starfleet has this horrible, like, xenocyde on its record and people have to deal with that. Like, isn't that also an interesting story to tell here? Hearing you say that almost makes me want more runway and a season eight because isn't it interesting like how neutrally starfleet has treated Odo almost from the start, right?

They don't really consider him an ally, they don't really consider him a threat. As a utility, I think he's got such possibilities, possibilities that really go unrealized for most of the series. It's part of the reason that we're in this place with him and in the show, right? It's because they just sort of kicked the Odo can down the road. And now I guess we'll let him die because we haven't really cared that much about him up until now anyway. It's a strange and different. Very like cold and different. Yeah, and I wonder if the show had done more work up until now

in increasing his value to the extent that we've got to save his life. And we have a very strong group of voices on the station going, we've got to save his life and we have a very strong group of voices on the station going, we've got to do all that we can and a counter argument that says he's a huge threat that would make this conflict juicier than it is. Because no one's talking to each other, it's just whisper between Bashiro Brian and Cisco and then what may or may not be happening at Starfleet HQ. Totally. I mean, liking Odo and having him be like part of the team on Deep Space 9 is enough for me to believe

that these characters will do almost anything to save his life, but I thought that a bigger story could be told, I'm not saying I dislike this episode, I'm just saying, they could have gone so many other ways with it, and I think it's interesting that this is what they chose. Go to Kotlin. Go to Kotlin.

Go to Kotlin. So. So the plan to lure someone from Section 31 is still the plan. Like the first idea, best idea is what they're going to go with. And the plan is for Bashir to get this person on the station and then use a clip show device that he stole from the Romulans to get the information from them about the ingredients for the cure. Since they're illegal in the Federation, I'll assume that's another reason you didn't come to me. He says, I don't think that this has a great chance of working and it's illegal and immoral, but go ahead.

After the theme, I had the thought, why does O'Brien even wear a uniform anymore? Like, are we sure he's on duty here? We should catch up with Ram doing all of his work. Like, what the fuck? Yeah. His life is a living hell now. I've even seen Lita in weeks and like I'm just elbow deep

in the warp cores of different birds of prey all the time. And nobody's even like helping run the schedule for my team because the chief engineer is A-Wall. Yeah, and if he's not A-Wall, he's playing darts. That's where he finds Bashir after hours at Quarks. Bashir is broken into his favorite bar. An action that I personally was very jealous. Oh, really?

Like, get some after hours time at a bar. Have you ever done that? That's some of the best time. Well, when I used to work at a bar, I would enjoy the after hours quite a bit. You know, going home at like 7 a.m. after you clock out at 4.30 because you closed it for is fun stuff. That's a late night. That's when I knew I was in with our favorite bartender in Seattle, when the sign turned and the door got locked and I found myself inside still. That's good stuff.

How did you get in? This has made me wonder when is the last time Bashir slept? Yeah. Because the last episode was about how he's been pulling like all night or after all night or four all night or center row. And now here he is.

It's after hours at Quirks. Quirks, he's got to have a late closing time, right? Yeah, you know they're going off of New York City closing time hours and not Seattle closing time hours. And there, Bashir, is. He tosses off a line that the lock was not very complex, which we know to be false. We know that the lock on Quarks is extremely complex.

And he's like doing that, the dart throwing of a man who is convicted and how important it is going to be to destroy Section 31. He's doing the kind of dart throwing that you imagine would feel very good if you were upset, but would be so destructive in the wall, in anything around the dartboard.

It does cut to the wall at one point, and to sheer, on like a dot matrix printer, has printed out a picture of Sloan and put it up over the dartboard. And it is just Swiss cheese. Be sure makes the case in this scene that I think is pretty elegant. Like, he makes the case against conspiracies existing in the first place. Because for something like what's going on here to have happened, the amount of people involved

would have had to have been large enough to make it impossible to keep such a secret. Right. That's the gymnastics he's doing in his mind. Like it just doesn't play. Right, you're telling me no one of these 73 people ever got drunk and like bragged about it to their buddy. Right. Or anything.

Right. So mystery wrapped in a rib inside an enigma. Well, you won't get any argument from me on that. Like, you know what's gonna melt Odo? Jet fuel. Lots of it. Yeah. I mean, it's funny, because like,

Bashir seems like very fixated on. Like, we've got to bring 31 down. And, Brian is like, hey, remember Odo? Yeah. Yeah. We gotta save that guy. And then if it's possible, bring 31 down and for sure it's like, right, right, right. Ryan's on the eyeball, for sure.

This is a good scene for O'Brien, though. This is why they work so well together. There's a compatibility. And O'Brien doesn't have anything else to do, so he might as well. When Bashir goes to bed that night, he wakes up with Sloan at his bedside, which begs the question,

has anyone who Sloan appeared at bedside with Jack that since the first time he did that? Like, if you knew someone could appear at any time, I think I'd take a break until I knew what was going on. I would definitely be lights on, jacking it in that case, because I would want to know to be able to throw a blanket over myself.

Right. If and when I started to see a transporter beam start to materialize. You know as much as we're making the case that it's it's shocking and horrible for the people that Sloan pops in on, imagine how awful it is for Sloan. He's seen awful things. Yeah, the worst things. Which I'm happy to see, he's swallowed. It's no wonder he's so radicalized.

Like, he's got this like totally skewed sample of people at their worst. That's when he always sees them, you know? He's the sort of guy that they made eight millimeter about. Bashir has basically set up a mouse trap for Sloan. Bashir like hits the lever and it causes a ball to go down a shoot and hit a croquet mallet that knocks into a post that a

net is on and that falls on Sloan. And Sloan is trapped. It's some kind of force field here. And the game is a foot. You've got me. I love that he has to drop the force field then after they've like monologue that we'd each other for a second to spacer.

So yeah, that's big fun. And then Sloan wakes up in a biopad underneath another force field. Yeah. And this is great. It's a very complicated system of force fields and phasers. I love a bad guy yelling at the guy who's trapped him from within the force field.

It's blown a super pissed. Yeah, and threatening like O'Brien's family and stuff, like real depraved shit. And then... O'Brien's like, I don't know who you're talking about, and I know the viewers don't know who you're talking about and I know the viewers don't know who you're talking about either. What you mean that off-screen character that occasionally sends crab rolls to us?

We can get crab rolls all kinds of places dude. Yeah. I was positive before this happened that Sloan would have a cyanide tooth. I was just, I thought they were lucky that it wasn't a duke lido tooth where he exhaled and like nearly killed O'Brien or something. Right. Sloan sees the hypocrisy of this scene.

The hypocrisy that is suggested in that earlier scene between O'Brien, Bashir and Sisco is actually described here by Sloan. Absolutely. Long-gallon, didn't it? Before he chews on his tooth. here in Cisco is actually described here by Sloan. Absolutely long gallon, didn't it? Before he chews on his tooth. He has sort of scrambled his hard drive, much like when you have a data emergency, you've accidentally wiped the wrong memory card

and that shot, you can't get a game, was on the memory card that got wiped, you can't get a game. It was on the memory card that got wiped. You gotta get that. You gotta go download that software that's $100. Just to see if there's any hope of recovering the file. I'm getting too. It's fucking corrupted. Hearing you describe this.

But there's never any hope, Ben. You're never getting that shot back. Yeah, you could send it to one of those services, but give me a break. That's not happening. The consequences that shot back. Yeah, you could send it to one of those services, but give me a break. That's not happening. The consequences that he's going to live, but only for an hour. So we're setting up an artificial countdown here for the rest of the day. Yeah, they need a device to go into the brain.

And this made me think this would be a great opportunity to bring back the underutilized X-Men. No shit. They're great at making brain probing machinery. Should keep one of them around or all of them. I love how there's a pregnancy to the moment of like, well, we're doing real damage here. Do we just let them die in peace or do we continue down this road? And be sure it's like, well well have you seen the movie extreme measures ha ha ha

because an argument between gene hackman and he grant might be related to what we're going through here it's tempting you might see it on a streaming service and be like what is this mid-divis gene hackman he grant movie that i've never even heard about maybe i'll give this a watch tonight and and then you'll be like, what am I watching? And that's sort of the question that they keep asking themselves for the rest of this episode, because they've got 43 minutes, one episode of television to get in, find the

cure, and get out. They've got to go brain spul onking if we're lucky enough to make it to a Another max fund drive with the greatest generation. I think a great reward would be a donor only feet episode of the greatest generation Doing extreme measures that you great movie. Oh Yeah, that would really motivate people because that has such a beloved following. We're making that canonical greatest gem. If we get 10,000 new and upgraded,

someone over at Amazon Prime is looking at the data and they're like, hey boss, something really crazy is going on with the metrics for the mid-90s gene hack when Hugh Grant will be extreme measures. We can't explain this. It usually gets zero views and now it's getting some views. It's showing here that it's gotten three views. That's over 300 percent more views than it normally gets. This has to be a mistake.

All of Amazon Web Services goes down as they like pull the servers apart trying to find where the error is coming from. You don't understand this is impossible. I'm a man, come to a fore, I'm a rain, come to a fore. What are you doing, come to a fore? What are you doing, come to a fore? What are you doing now? I'm a man, come to a fore. I'm a man, come to a fore. I'm a bigar, I'm not bigar, I'm not bigar,

I'm not bigar, I'm not bigar. Exactly. We get a really fun set of cross dissolves here as we go through the process of possibly extending Sloan's life, getting him to where the clip show headband. Yeah, a second bigger clip show device is brought in. It's kind of a clip show sweatband. It's so, it's so thick.

He's a maniac, maniac on the bio bed, and he's dying like he's never died before. Right. As Bashir describes it to an O'Brien who is trying his hardest not to laugh, the plan is to walk around Sloan's mind as if it were real. You've explained it to me three times and I still don't get it. Sure there could be some dangers involved, but before Bashir can finish describing the situation, O'Brien has volunteered to go with. Volunteer so fast that he's not gonna tell his wife his kid or anyone else on the station

that that's what he's gonna do. You just have to trust me, chief. He's gonna hop right in there and be the Sundance to Bashir's butch-cacity. Yeah, they're going on an adventure inside the mine. And they lie down themselves and put on their own clip show devices and jack into the Sloan Tricks. They're missing someone as a part of this team.

Ben, they're missing the body person, the guy who's in the room monitoring their vitals. I feel like Christopher Nolan watched this episode and stole its premise and made inception and made that key improvement that one person stays awake and has the silver briefcase and pushes the button or tips you into the tub when they need to. Flatliners did it first. Like, you need someone with the paddles. Yeah.

Gotta have those paddles. I love how Bishir's like, when O'Brien presses him on how they, they Sloan and program if they wanted to leave his brain. Bishir's like, yeah, I can just raise my blood pressure or something and that'll break the spell and that'll get us on out of there. And O'Brien totally believes it.

It seems pretty believable. It's like cool, so we don't have to like play old Edith Piaf records or anything. It's all very simplistic. They materialize inside. I'm in a strange man's, surrounded by strangers in a strange room. Then they are in a deep space nine turbo lift, which is falling rapidly. And I think they're gonna die, and then they don't. Are you sure?

That's so interesting that you're a turbo lift false person, because when I watched this scene, I thought they were going up too fast. I guess the, you know, smashing against the ceiling and smashing against the floor would have the same cat foodification effect. You know, it just stands to reason when you and I look at a turbo lift moving super fast, you're a turbo lift moves down

and I may turbo lift moves up. Yeah. Why we work so well together. Yeah, you're really the yin to my yang. It's weird, it's like a cut to commercial and then they're not going super fast. Right. I wish that the turbo lift had open sides so you get the wind effect. That would have been good. They're very ginger about like letting go of the guard rails and the doors open and

they're met by a much softer side of Sloan. Welcome. He's kind of dressed like Picard getting ready to go on vacation here, and perfectly happy to host them, and would even like to tell them the cure to the disease that Odo has, but when he tries his words come out scramble. Believe me, I wanna tell you what you need to know.

Then tell us. I can't. I can't. There's a threatening feeling to knowing a person or a character as a bad person and for that person to treat you kindly. Yeah. That they are doing here because this is nice Sloan. This is Sloan out of the leather and into a natural garment.

This is Sloan with a wife and a child, a Sloan being praised by his friends and family, and then eulogizing himself in such a way that is almost more ominous and threatening than a man and leather waking you up from a slumber. I mean, I would feel very upset if as Sloan does to Bishir and O'Brien, somebody said that they'd like me to come to a party and it turns out to be them hosting their own funeral. Yeah. Very awkward. And we're that it's like him taking this opportunity to apologize to his loved ones and family for devoting himself to his work. He tells his wife,

I told you when we got together, baby, you were gonna share me with every unethical act to advance the cause of the federation. Sloan turns to Bashir and O'Brien and he's like, you can walk around in my mind, you can ride my turbo lift, you cannot watch my motherfuck television set. You can enjoy my postmodernistic bullshit space station.

Oh yeah, I made Ralph fuck you because it makes me feel good. We learned that his first name is Luther. I don't know. Did we learn that when he was pretending to be a cartographer? I think so. Yeah. Ever since I watched the hit BBC series Luther starring Idris Elba, I always pronounce that word Lufa. I never watched that, but that's very fun.

He's great in that, really great. That's a scrubby, desiccated sea creature that's great at repairing guitars. Did you get the sense that Jessica, who is Jessica Sloan, I should say, Lufa's wife, was kind of turned on by Sloan's speech here, I thought. I think Sloan's self-eulogy really fled at her basement. Yeah, just like finally, he's the emotionally available man

that I had hoped I had married. Yeah. I knew this was in here somewhere. Too late now. Jessica's like, I'm gonna go get the pad with the ingredients to cure Odo because you're having a problem with your words, Hubby, and once she makes with the pad.

Be a go doctor. Shhh! Woo! Leather Sloan from the hallway, shoots husband Sloan before he can give the pad to them. Which is really cool because the beam splits between O'Brien and Bashir, it's a great shot. Oh, I didn't notice that. That's awesome. It's devastating. The party is gone. They're alone in the ward room now. And I wanted the camera to like cut to the floor for that pad.

I'd have it just, you know, just have the pad be gone or something, but like I was like, the pad didn't get shot, flown got shot. So where's the pad, the pad's what we need. And in dream logic, like all the party guests have disappeared. Bank with table with all that food's gone, the turned on wife, also gone. The scene has changed.

We cut back to reality where in a darkened room, Sloan and Bashir and O'Brien are lying on their slabs and Cisco and Ezra are just kind of like walking among them, going like, what are they doing in here? I wish they'd left one person awake to explain what's going on. And I guess this isn't some kind of obscure meditation therapy. Cisco, to his credit, is like, we better get a medical team in here to figure this out because we don't quite know what we're looking at.

And also, security to stand outside the science lab because like a highly wanted criminal actor and two of our most important officers are in here unattended with the door unlocked out unconscious. As soon as the security team is told that Sloan is invobilized in there, they're like, yeah, give me between five and seven minutes and I'll be there. I just need to take care of something I've been meaning to do and I haven't been able to do for like weeks. Trust me, it won't take long, I'm ready to go.

I need you to know that I'm gonna be better at my job if I can just take care of this thing and then show up probably closer to like three or four minutes. Yeah, the sounds like the kind of mission that will take focus and no distractions. And honestly, like I could be 100% better on both of those things in three minutes if you just can give me that. Look, I've already started doing the thing that I've told you I need to do before showing up to work.

So I think honestly we're talking about 90 seconds to two minutes tops and then I'll be over there. But again, and I can't emphasize this enough, this needs to happen for me to be effective at my job. Listen, step one, replicate a tube sock. Step two, get out an iPad. Like it's gonna go lickety split. You're not, it would blow your hair back if you could be here in the room for it, but

honestly that's kind of the problem that I'm trying to solve for, so you can't. Those poor security people have had an entire career of maybe a drinking glass being Also the possibility of Sloan just appearing at any moment and at a getting time. Boshir and O'Brien in the dream leave the ward room and find themselves not on deep space nine anymore, but in a Federation hallway of some kind. They're walking around, they get set upon by another section 31 leather daddy who phasers both of them. We need to speak to slush. But the phaser wounds are painful, and they're like trying to wrap their minds around this.

Like this is supposed to be a fucking dream. Like who cares about a phaser? At this point in time, I would have expected O'Brien to start to fall apart, because he's a guy who's been to mind prison before. He's been fucked with in this way, and it hasn't gone well. But what's happened here is they're both cranky and hurt by this experience. And the sheer is like, you know what, enough of this, I'm going to a Sloan-N program, but you can't make it work. They try to give up, and they fail.

Yeah. They fail to fail. This is something I don't understand. Does it make sense? Oh, Brian, it should be, Matt. You're totally right. Like, I don't think that it was sold to him as there is a risk of us dying or being hurt going in here.

It's just a put on the VR goggles and laugh at how cool VR is for three minutes until it makes you nauseous and then you have to take off the VR goggles. He gives a voice to a question I think we've had over the course of many years talking about Star Trek, which is what is the mission that rises to the level of doing a bigger goodbye than usual before you go to work, you know? Right. Because he's regretting never seeing his wife

and kid again in a way that I don't feel like you and I were told we'd never see Kiko and Molly again. The show sort of did that to us already. We know exactly how that feels to have to possibly lose a couple of people that you care a lot about. Yeah, he wishes he'd written them a letter and that would have been an interesting scene. It would have been interesting, like getting to this point and writing the script, it would have been interesting.

If they'd been like, no, let's go back and write it that like they know that this is a huge risk and have him say like hey I'm going spul onking in the mind of this terrible guy I'm guilty of a terrible crime doctor and it's a big risk but I got to do it for Odo like that would have been an interesting scene and you kind of get in given Rosalind channel on screen time Keko would obviously be sad, but I think a not insignificant part of her character would

feel like this was a mercy death, like finally O'Brien is free. And finally Keko is free too. Right. Anyways, they're sitting there kind of bemoaning what has happened to them when the light at the end of the tunnel shows up down one of the hallways and they sort of realize that this is death beckoning and they walk out and instead of dying it's them waking up in the science lab with Wharf and Cisco there to as the Welcoming Committee and a nurse who, and they're telling them, like, hey, Sloan is actually like right on the brink of death, and there's no way we're letting you

like stay in there with him because he could take you down with him. They wake up and Sloan's already in his torpedo tube. Yeah, they're like, we're just doing this now as a policy. You know, anybody could be a changeling, so we put them inside one of these, so if they explode when they die, it can contain some of the blast. This scene before they pop out of Sloan's brain felt like they approached saying something really interesting, but didn't have the nerve as a show to actually say it, you know? You mean the thing about O'Brien and Bashir liking each other more than O'Brien and Keko?

Yeah, you could sense that they're approaching saying something that could be off-putting to people or significant in a different way. And it seems like the scene gets interrupted in such a way that they don't get that chance. And so you get kind of the bends, like because they approach this moment in their relationship and then they emerge from slow and mind and then they're right back into mission priorities. That's interesting, because I know lots of couples where, you know, like the people in them will declare that their partner is also their best friend, and other couples where that never felt true, but that doesn't make me feel like they don't love each other and have a really deep connection

as a couple. Right. And a lot of the time, there is a value judgment placed on one of the other. Like, oh, like if you're saying your wife is your best friend, there's something wrong with you or, oh, if your wife is in your best friend, there's something wrong with you. And I think that there is interesting writing to be done on. It works differently for different couples. And that would have been a nice thing to see here, but I agree.

They kind of didn't sink their teeth into it as much as they could have. Yeah, I agree. Bashir tries to get the nurses to save Sloan, but their efforts fail, and Sloan is dead. Yeah, I think that is the second of three times that Sloan dies in this episode. What I love about Star Trek is that they play you the single brass instrument of a loss of hope in the scene So I'm willing to believe that Sloan's actually dead. Yeah, like the show knows the technologies that uses to Suggest a thing has happened Including the single brass instrument. They can make it feel even more real by by whipping out that flugal horn

Right, but sheer heads back to his room and starts reading his book, which starts very late in the book. It's the opening passage is on like page 296. And Bashir cites this as evidence that they are still in the simulation. It's the classic where we're still inside the matrix plot device. So he and O'Brien keep poking around and they find their way into evil, full leather daddy, Sloan's office. This is section 31. They've made it into the

Holy of Holies where all the all the secret info is kept. And this is a part of the brain that gets bangers dropped on it. And this is this is a technique that raises the tension here too. Not only are we running out of time, but bangers are getting dropped. You got leather Sloan reclined in an office chair, kind of goading Bashir about all of this great intelligence all around him. Like, like there's not an inch of his desk that doesn't cover it in something secret and interesting. And it puts Bashir into the position of having to, like this is kind of the fallacy of the episode, right? Because I think the episode is suggesting that Bashir has a choice.

Either he supermarkets sweeps. Supermarkets! Whaaaaaa! Slowness desk into his cart and runs out of his mind with all this stuff as if he could possibly do that, or he takes the necessary intelligence about the Odo Kure and saves his own life. But I don't think like the show is telling us that he's at risk here, but I never felt like this was effectively portrayed. Because if Bashir were to stay long enough to gather all

of the information on all of the bookshelves, shelves of Sloan's mind, he'd die and then he'd never be able to share that information with anyone anyway. You have to believe that the Sophie's choice is between destroying 31 or saving Odo and that Bashir opts for saving Odo, but in order to believe that the like lethality of staying in the simulation any longer needs to you know you really need to buy that and I just don't I feel like because they've used so much misdirection and and tricks to keep us in the simulation as long as as we've been in it's hard to believe since we've been stuck inside it, it's hard to also believe that it's gonna kill them if he dies while they're still in. I think part of it also is like a banger has such a different quality than a degrading

hollow sweet program where you see the static and the shit happen in frame where you really get a sense of how much time you have left in that circumstance that a banger just doesn't give you enough information. Right. It's kind of the language of a ship being attacked to give us a sense of the degradation of his mind, but maybe they should have gone with another way of illustrating that. It's fucking nuts because Bishir just leaves

with the Odo pad, even though he's got another hand. Yeah. So Brian has two, like, do you have a couple of randoms and get the fuck out? Get the thing about Jerish Inio having a section 31 person in his cabinet. Yeah. I wanna see Inno go down.

Even if he's out of office, I wanna see him impeached. You know? Fuck that guy. It's worth it to send a message. Yeah. Grab that pad that says, how tons of people like to jack it? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha It's just a spreadsheet of different materials. Oh, this guy uses a hand towel. This guy over here, he uses a roll of paper towels.

I love that that that pad has like a labeler sticker on the top that says that it's not a digital cover sheet to the information it's actually labeled. So they don't waste any time. They get a hyposprae ready for Odo. Odo alive looks a lot worse than Sloan did dead at this point. And Bashir says this ain't gonna hurt a bit.

It's gonna hurt a lot and ministers the injection. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa I don't know how much more painful this can be than how bad Odo already seems to be. I thought they did a really great job of making him look even worse at the end of the episode than he did at the beginning. Because you really have to plan that out. Like the stages of this need to be visual and you need all 12 of them or however many there are, you know? Yeah, however many shots he needs to be in and what time has transpired in between.

When did Star Trek character start screaming in pain? That was a question I had when I watched this episode, you know, right off of the heels of the third season of Star Trek Discovery where it seems like everyone is screaming as loud as they can when they're in pain. This would be that one. One to an episode. They have a little celebration of Brian and Bashir.

If once again broken into Quark's bar, Quark is really going to have to get Rob to replace that lock at this point because they're also stealing expensive booze from behind the bar. You never keep your good stuff in the speed well though. I thought that was weird. Like, it's just right there. Very strange. Yeah.

Some of the fancy or stuff in certain bars gets kept under lock and key. Yeah. I think they need a bar advisor on this show. Yeah. That would have been good. Is it Brian Dricken Bush Mills? Let's promise him the whiskey. Price is right, ain't it?

Kinda look that way. Yeah. That's the same thing. I love how they find the good stuff and then just take it to the dome. Yeah, they're pouring themselves like two finger glasses of that and just knocking them back. Holy shit. So for some reason, O'Brien and this scene remembers that dinner is waiting and this is a

scene of science fiction to me because if you know that you have a dinner plan and you have made a choice to go to the bar and haven't told anyone about that choice and then in order to cover your ass, you bring a friend to dinner so that you're putting off the big fight you're gonna have by showing up late by bringing a buddy to it. Oh boy, O'Brien. All of this is terrible math. And listen, like think about the timing here.

We're talking about them in quarks after hours, specifically. Yeah. When did the O'Brien's eat? That math doesn't check out. Yeah. The button on the episode is them heading to dinner and O'Brien heading for the woodchipper. Did you like the episode, Adam? You really want to do this. You know, there were four or five moments where this episode just didn't make any fucking sense at all, but it was paced in such a way that the moment I started to have doubts about the logic,

we were just on to the next. And that felt fairly intentional. Very Christopher Nolan-y, and in that way. This is definitely a kind of Star Trek episode that we get from time to time. The stuck in a holodeck, the what's it like in someone's mind type episodes, and I feel like you can't compare those to any other kind of episodes. You can only compare them to two kinds of that type. And I thought of that genre of Star Trek episode, I thought

this was a fun one. I did too. I think it's, it's very interesting to me that they gave an entire episode just to O'Brien and Bashir here and, and run like I haven't been thinking about episodes in terms of like this is going to be a cure episode. This is a Cisco episode. This is no Brian episode so much. But this one really felt like a little bottle where they were like, okay, we're just gonna tell a very like focused, tight little story that has big implications for the rest of the arc, but feels like a little break in the middle of that long story arc. And I like it as that. I like the catching our breath before the breathless conclusion, which I'm sure we're in for.

Makes me wonder how intentional it may have been to just honor these two characters with an entire episode like this because it feels like the search for Odo's cure might have been a cozy A or B story in another episode's story, you know? Yeah, but I feel like Sloan getting a big finale was fun. Like I said, there's a really strong case to be made for having Odo be killed in this in this episode and having the like weight of that carry storylines into the

future like what if Odo had died but they got the cure then they have this weird quandary like do we offer it to the founders do we sue for peace by saying we can cure your disease? Yes, yeah. Like there's so many interesting directions you could take that. I wonder if we're gonna get the moment where Odo goes back to work and he's like,

all right, who wants to go over the reports and he looks around the security office and no one has showed up for work? And then when they finally do, they are exhausted looking. Well, nothing exhausting to me about priority one message is Adam. Do you want to see if we have any of those in the old inbox? I mean, we only do two because that's about as many times as we can do priority one in that amount of time. In a single day.

Yeah. Feels like a couple of years ago, Ben, we used to be able, like we probably could have done more priority when messages when we were younger. In the early days when we were younger. Yeah, I have less stamina now. Sad. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Need a supplement on. A supplement on.

A supplement. A supplement. Yeah, it's extra. your channel. Then our first priority when message is of a promotional nature. And it is about closing crawl, a podcast that you can find on iTunes, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you find your podcasts. Closing crawl is a new podcast about the Star Wars, the Clone Wars animated series in each week we seek to answer questions such as, if recap podcasts about decades old TV shows were ships.

And the greatest generation was the USS Enterprise, which podcast would be the USS Hood. Wow. Or, Gunk Droids. Snug, Mary or Avoid. And? Who is more evil? The Republic or the Separatists? Wow.

Closing crawl welcomes all the Star Wars curious friends of DeSoto to join us. So once again, you can find Closing crawl on iTunes, Spotify, Stitcher, or wherever you find podcasts. Sounds like a fun riff on a very rich part of Star Wars, that Clone Wars animated series. I saw the feature, there's a Clone Wars animated feature film that I actually saw in theaters. And I remember enjoying it. I also remember like wishing I'd seen more of the animated series because it seemed like they were kind of drawing on beloved characters and storylines that I had no context for because I haven't watched any of that. That sounds like a great podcast too, Close

and Crawl. If I do my animated Star Wars rewatch that I've been meaning to do for years, I'll be sure to check out Closing Crawl. That sounds like a lot of fun. Adam, our next message is from Josh, and it's to Kristen. It goes like this, happy anniversary to my amzadi. You introduce me to Voie, that's your purvoyager, and I introduced you to Deep Space Nine. 13 years later, the skies the limit.

Love you tons. Boy, from what I've heard about Voyager and what I know about Deep Space Nine, it would seem as though one of the two really made out better on that deal. I would argue that the Josh made out better. How about that? Josh and Kristen's anniversary was in early October. So sorry that that's so late. Just checking here. It looks like we are now seeing stuff booked into, I see things as late as September 21

on our calendar. So if you want to get a priority one message up against a specific date, please think well in advance about that. Love to see it. Happy belated anniversary to Josh and Christian, and thanks for the support closing crawl. And if you'd like to get a P1 on the show, head to maximumfund.org slash Jembo Tron, where it's a hundred bucks for a personal message

and 200 for a commercial message. Hey Adam. What's that, Ben? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? I'm gonna take a little bit of an unusual path to my drunk Shimoda and I'm gonna say two people. Mmm. And this is like in keeping with the original drunk Shimoda ethos, right? Someone who is making a decision that doesn't make a lot of sense. Yeah. Someone acting in a way that could put other people in danger. Right. And for me, I just can't think of anyone else besides Jean Hackman and Hugh Grant

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Just two hours of that. Yeah. What about you, Ben? My drunk Shremota is beshear for his ineligant attempt to dance around the fact that this injection is going to hurt like hell. And for how badly Odo just saw right through him. Yeah. I love that. I love, I love Odo just saying like, don't pull shit or pull shit or duck. Give it to me straight. This is gonna suck, right? I love medical interventions that work instantly, by the way. No shit.

You ever gotten like a, like a blood blister under a fingernail and had a doctor like, do the thing where they put a hole and release the pressure? I haven't. I'm like, the pain just like put a hole and release the pressure. I haven't. And like the pain just like goes away. It's amazing. It sounds really nice. That sounds like sweet release.

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Yeah head over to gach that biz slash game Well, I tell you about season seven episode 24, the dogs of war. With the Cardassian resistance crushed, the Federation War against the Dominion reaches the prelude to one final showdown. The Prelude, Adam, it's the penultimate episode of Deep Space Nine, and it's a prelude. Why do you keep saying it that way? Prelude. Was it your first car, a Honda Prelude?

No, I didn't have any nice cars. Yeah, that was a nice car when I was in high school. You're required to learn as you play, roll. Alright Ben, I can't believe it, but we've crawled back quite a ways in the game of Botholes World of the Profits where we're three rows from the top, we're on square 75, and just ahead we've got a nth degree episode. That's about the only thing that we're in danger of hitting and really if you're me and you've done the statistical analysis Which I have not but I've read about a Twitter friend of DeSoto

named Jeremiah He's a at J Perry Hill Actually ran the numbers and says that I'm haunted by the ones in my 74 rolls a one has come up 20 times or 27% of the time that's so wild So it's not just in my head. It's actually happening. Wow. All right. Well, I'm getting ready for you to hit square 76 I'm but let's let fate decide go and roll that bone I have rolled a five Did I win? Harvey, who just put us on Square 80?

It's a regular old episode. And you know what's fun about where we are is that when it comes time to roll the die again for our last last last episode of Deep Space Nine, just ahead is the no notes. Square, which would be a really fun twist to put on a two hour episode. last episode of Deep Space Nine, just ahead is the no notes. Square, which would be a really fun twist to put on a two hour episode. That's big fun. Wow.

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