The Greatest Generation - Limp Swagger (DS9 S2E3)

Episode Date: March 12, 2018

When the Bajorans seek to occupy Deep Space Nine, they arrive to find it nearly deserted. But when Sisko trusts the wrong messenger with the true nature of the coup, it’s up to his scrappy band of Jeffries tube rebels to fight off a legion of corduroy catbasket-clad soldiers before time runs out. What’s the first thing you should do after unboxing a RealSisko™? Who brings a guitar to a campout? Is Morn smart or dumb? It’s the episode that questions our own heroism!

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Two guys who are a little bit embarrassed to have a Star Trek podcast about Deep Space Nine. I've been a perannica. I'm Ben Harrison. Kind of garbled your own name there, buddy. You would think after 200 episodes, you would know how to do it It doesn't ever get any easier been to say my own name in public You mean like a surgeon losing a patient on the table. Yeah, it never gets any easier. Yeah I just pound my fists into the microphone. Yeah, this is our 200th episode

into the microphone. Yeah. This is our 200th episode. I don't believe this. There's so many things that I can't believe about this dumb show band. You know what, I guess it wouldn't have surprised me if we made it to 200 in relative obscurity. Right.

Maybe the most surprising thing is we've had over 7 million downloads of this show in that amount of time. It's crazy and we went to a one a week model, which pretty much saved the show. I will say, the stress of making it two times a week was killing us softly. Right. And going to one a week was a big deal. But I was doing the math. It looks like we've basically doubled the number of downloads per episode

since this time last year, which is crazy. It's nice to know that there are so many people who think about things the way we do. Yeah. I think for a long time, growing up and through adolescence and into college and then after college, at least for me, I thought about this stuff in a way that no one else did. I'm really glad that I became friends with you and realized that there are others that was out there. We're not the only two. There were a lot of missed opportunities to connect with people in my past because of my

shame. Missed opportunities, the Ben Harrison story. Yeah. No, truly. We got a letter in the Drunk Shemota Gmail this morning from a guy who you know I don't want to go into a ton of detail but you know he said he had been going through a really hard time last year and we you know happened to talk about something that really dovetailed with the hard time he was going through and he went and got the help he needed. And you know, that's like a kind

of letter. I don't think either of us ever expected to get for this show. It's such a silly comedy show and the fact that it has been more than that to people is still an idea that like makes me lateheaded thinking about. That it means anything to anyone else is it feels like playing with house money, you know? It fills me with gratitude that anyone out there is listening to us at all, let alone supporting what we do. I think like we get called really awful shit on the internet. And it is, at times, can be a real fucking bummer. And things really snap into focus when we get messages like the one we got this morning. That was like, that stuff really does not matter at all.

Yeah, you know, it's a symptom of making something that gets out to a wide audience, you know, inevitably there's one or two people where something sticks in their craw. And that's not to say that we like can't handle any constructive feedback. I mean, we take that all the time. And I think the show has gotten better because people have given us a heads up that something we said was hurtful in a way that we didn't realize or didn't intend and we made corrections on that. But like being called a Nazi is a fun, weird surprise. Yeah, we get called cucks and Nazis.

So we've got to come in from both sides. Ha ha ha ha. Who's sadder these people on? So we've got we've got to come in from from both sides Who's sadder these people on yeah, but I think I think we owe so much to the friends of DeSoto, you know like the The thing that has made this show successful is that a group of people You know really came together around it and formed amazing friendships and amazing communities and that's something that I feel lucky about every day, the fact that there's just a really big positive group of people out there, like laughing at the same stuff

we think is funny and playing along and yes, ending the funny and playing along and yes, Anding the jokes and making art and music and the Secret Shemota gift exchange during the holidays like there's so much cool stuff. Yeah, Valentine's Yeah, the it's a real treat and We do it for you guys. It's pretty awesome that a an area of the internet has been carved out for being nice and silly and good. Yeah. Because that is not a common thing.

Yeah. So this one's for you guys. Episode 200. Dedicated to the fans. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha I don't believe this. This episode of Deep Space 9 is dedicated to abandoning ship, I guess. As we get into season 2, episode 3, the sheige. What about this scene? Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah what they're doing, like, Sisko's giving him the ra ra speech about. Some of us have to stay behind. We've got so many relationships he's built here over the years, like, Luke, can I put Lucky here? Is engaged to a young man from Bejoin.

And this other person over here who I've never met. And St. Kelly's daughter worked together with a young visual and girl on a prize-winning science fair project. I want to know more about how that engaged guy is feeling about having the equivalency drawn between his serious relationship and science fair guy. What the fuck, Cisco? Maybe don't bring up the science fair. This guy poured baking soda and vinegar in the top of a paper mache volcano. And he gets the same big ups as me. All of us who have served on the station for the past year of made Bajoran friends.

Yes, this is just just just to grown up Jay Gordon and his radishes. Like that's as significant as this guy's budding relationship. I planted radishes and a special dirt and they came of all weird. Pajurian radishes are almost indistinguishable from radishes from earth. They just wear elaborate earrings, right? Very commendable. Yeah, these are like, this is like a whole bunch of star fleets. We've also never seen before. It's just like one of those things where we've speculated about how many Starfleets actually are on the station.

This maybe is like the biggest gathering of them. No Lieutenant Toast. Lieutenant George Pryman, Starfleet Security. Pogged, Pogged Man. He was not one of the brave few that stuck around. I'm really missing Toast right now. Yeah, it would have been nice to see him. They're really beaten us over the head about how inextricable the Bajoran Federation

relationship is at this point. And the one storyline where I really saw it on full relief was the whole O'Brien befriending a Bajoran engineer and that engineer ending up trying to assassinate a religious leader. I almost felt like if I were to reorder the EPS the way that an album is sequenced in songs. I might have pushed this episode or this episode of three further up so that it rode right on the back of that. It feels like too much time has passed to really feel the the intimacy of that relationship, you know I dig that we cut to a scene with O'Brien I am Chief Miles Edward O'Brien. This is fucking spectacular And Keko arguing about the idea that O'Brien has chosen to stay too. I don't have any choice. Don't you? Sort of out of allegiance to the rest of his comrades

and his hatred of the Carties. Yeah, he's like, he's like, listen to it. When you married me, you knew this job comes first. Can I just let the Carties have the wormhole? Take it out the whole gamma quadrant for all I care. I think that Keko's right. Like, what is O'Brien gonna do here that can't be done by somebody else that doesn't have a family?

When they separate the enterprise D when they're fighting the Borgs or whatever, you don't see half the crew leave with their families. Like, you've got to stay and do your duty. This scene would make more sense if Cisco had looked O'Brien in the eye and said, I need you here for this. Yeah, that it was made into a choice, rather than the duty that it truly is.

I think that would have rang more true. Right. Well, it just speaks to how broken O'Brien's relationship with Kiko is. That's the thing we keep coming back to. Like Kiko is right, but this is a Brian living as truth maybe. They're just going, they're separating and going to multiple spots, right? That are taking in the refugees, but it's not like one main

other starbase that they're going to. No, it's part of the tension too, right? Yeah, Noggin Jake are getting split up. They're on different, different runabouts going to different places. And they're bummed out about that because they think they might never see each other again. Just when I think I found a new home, a new friend, it always seems like I got a leave. They, they have a strange awareness of, of themselves in the third person, right?

They're like, there's never been a friendship between Farenci and human before. That's why we'll always be best friends. I never thought of my youthful friendships in that way. It's oddly alien aware of them in the way that like modern children form friendships irrespective of race and don't really care about race in the same way as olds do. Right.

It's a little strange to see this depicted by future kids, who I would assume to be post alien race. We did have enough episodes in the last season of, you know, those two kids getting scolded for hanging out with each other because the other one's race is a bad influence. Yeah. So maybe that's a zap that has been put on them

by the adults. It's that, it's, you know, nobody's born racist. It's their parents that teach them. Ben, when N Nag attempted French, did they get you excited? And if our fathers couldn't break us up, no stupid coup d'et, coup, coup, coup d'et.

They would attack. It's French. Unless the French thing will either. Did get me excited Adam. I sort of wondered where you would go with that. I mean, I can't think of a go-to French joke that we use on this show. I wonder if his teeth get in the way.

Like, is that a problem? Is that why his French sucks so bad? No, actually, French people have pointy little teeth like that. The idea that quirk is selling seats on runabouts should surprise no one. Yeah, quirk attempts to sit up kind of a stub hub of runabout evacuation slots.

Because they've got a very limited, it's like the Seahawks Patriot Super Bowl. There's a limited number of seats and a bunch of people are trying to sell them and brokers get in there and sell tickets based on the idea that the price will drop closer to the big day and they'll be able to scoop up tickets. I love that your knowledge of sports is such that you did not choose the Super Bowl example

of the most recent Super Bowl, but instead one from a couple years ago. I listened to that Planet Money podcast about how the, did you hear about this? How the like, how the ticket, the aftermarket ticket market collapsed and like a bunch of companies wound up having to pay like millions and millions of dollars to be able that they had sold tickets to, but that they didn't actually have tickets for.

Oh good. Like those guys. There's a bunch of Seahawks fans that got left out in the cold. Yeah. Is a ticket system really the way to do the evacuation? This is what surprised me most. I thought the 24th century would be post ticket. I mean, it's an economics problem, right?

You've got a limited resource and a large demand for it. Like, how do you, how do you pick? Yeah. And clear. I mean, and like, they have to get lean Alice to go down there and do like a really grand eloquent speech convincing all the bejurins to stick around because they are much less likely to be killed by the beajorin xenophobes

that are on their way to the station. Deep Space Nine has never been really good at either telling us or showing us how many people are stationed on board. It seems to be about three runabouts worth, maybe a little bit more. That's what I'm saying. I think Star Trek has always done a pretty good job of giving us that idea. Like, we knew on the Enterprise D that there was roughly

a thousand crew on that ship. Like, we always knew that. Mm-hmm. And 85% of them were small children. Right. We were shown as well as told, but we are neither shown nor told on DS9, and so we're left to just sort of guess by by using the metric of how many runabouts is it take to evacuate weird. Yeah. And like,

you know, guessing from the fact that they crowded a bunch of ladies who are just coming from the rent fair into one of the air locks. So Jake's one of the evacuees and, and Cisco has a moment with him. He's like, look, son, I've got my last will and testament on this thumb drive here. Don't watch it too soon. Like why don't you save it for the event of my death? I'll read it as soon as I get on the ship. Wait a while. It's so weird that he understands it's a will, but I don't think Jake does. This is that Jack Crusher holodeck program, you know.

Like, this is not gonna be fun. It's just eight hours of Ben Sisko hugging him. That's what it would be. Jake, if you're watching this, I'm dead. I'm really sorry that I wasn't there to see you grow up. If there's one message I wanna leave you with, it's that you should probably think about looking at a different type of pant

because the kind of pant you do wear is problematic. Debbie, slash, slash, slash, see, knuck. Jake, our relationship has been built on a foundation of physical affection between father and son, it's a thing that I've tried my best to show you over the years. And now that I'm not here, I need to define a substitute for me, something that can provide you with the physical comfort that I will no long be able to and I want you to visit the mail stop where I've left you a very important package sent to me by Kevin Uxbridge. Jake, I'm a creature of special conscience that your father has retained to create one of the

most perverse real dolls I've ever been asked to produce in my career. Most of my work involves real dolls for the discriminating clients whose needs are so sexually perverse, that they are not legal in this or any other galaxy. However, your father is requested, a real doll of him, show that does not perform any sexual acts whatsoever. I had to retool my entire victory in order to construct him. In many ways it reminds me of my first such creation. Roshan, who was a cold woman who spurned my every advance. But unlike Roshan, I made this doll while your father was still alive.

It's something that I, a man who has destroyed an entire sentient race, found so disturbing. I'm considering leaving the business for good. Bencko came to visit me on Dota Rana 4 where much like a dentist taking impressions of someone's teeth showed to us slather this entire body with a thick muddling glue in order to get his measurements, precise. He was easy to subdue him because... he stepped in one of the lawn traps that I routinely set on my property. Jacob is very important that what she received, my shipments,

that you let the real Cisco's batteries run down completely before recharging again. let the real shish go, batteries run down completely before recharging again. And if you have any technical problems that have been previously covered, just take it into the X-Bridge store and talk to one of the X-Bridge geniuses, they're a little bit condescending, but they're happy to help you with almost any problem. So basically after the break, it's tumbleweeds on deep space nine And it's like the core group that's left behind. Quark didn't get off because Ram burned him, and Quark did not have the technology of rolly bag, so he couldn't move through the station fast enough with his sack O, sack O

Latinum. Right. His sack of lats. Yeah. So, uh, so yeah, they, uh, they all kind of like scroll away in the, in the ductwork of the station. And when the, but you're in commandos show up, it's just no resistance at all. And just a jarros prediction was correct. The federation is tucked its tail between its legs. You know, peaceable, but you're in rim-fair goers wandering around on the promenade. And whoa, Steven Weber is one of them. Yeah.

He's one of the guys that boards the station with this party. A real that guy. He's Colonel Day Canoe. Is he now? His name is Day. Is he now? His name is Day. So before the crew goes to hide out in the ductwork, a plan is hatched by Kira. Kira's like, look, we've got these pre-warp ships squirreled around the system. And Lee Nallis is like, oh yeah, I know where one of those is. It's on one of these moons.

It might be something that you want to use to go and visit Beijor. And get this, this Cardassian weapons ship and information down there to people who can do something about it. Right, because the bad guys have like cut off contact with the station. So they've got all this evidence about what the circle and minister Jero and everybody are up to, but they can't actually put it in the hands of people who can make decisions because the transmissions are getting jammed. So the only way it's going to get to Beijora's if somebody takes it there in person. And that's not something that the circle is likely to take lying down, you know. And that person is Kira and Dax, who visits the moon of Halloween Super

Store. And like hack through a bunch of spider webs to find this fucking gelopy of a shuttle. Yeah. This thing looks like it is a parade float. And if you're wondering like which float has the most flowers in it, this one is among the winners there. They get inside and Kira pulls the panel shut and it's like it's floppy And it's and it's and it's like a got a grid lattice in it like it looks like it's breathable Are you sure this thing is supposed to fly? Oh, I've been in a lot worse. It's very millennium Falcon where they're constantly like bashing a you know

bashing a bulkhead and getting Getting a computer to do what it's supposed to do. Right. And I guess Dex is here because she conveniently has a previous host who was good at engineering on shitty spaceships. Yeah. That's convenient, right? Sure is. Our character is a real writer's room room Swiss Army knife, you know?

Yeah, like do we need someone to do a thing? Write it into her backstory Yeah, I Almost wonder like how easy it is to keep track of something like that like oh shit We accidentally wrote nine previous hosts for her because we just really needed her to be able to like do karate in this episode. This has got to be a hard show to write for in that way because you know people are paying such close attention to all these things. Yeah. That to get something wrong would mean just an onslaught. Yeah, we certainly hear about it. Yeah. Back on the station there is a fairly pronounced tension between Colonel

Day and General Krim who we met in the last episode. He's the guy that Cisco gave the information to on the surface without asking for anything in return. And I didn't want to do any research been, but this Krim guy looked so familiar to me. I looked him up. He's played by Stephen mocked. And one thing about Stephen mocked is that he was considered for the part of Picard. TNG, can you imagine that? It's hard to imagine. He's been in a bunch of stuff. He's definitely a that guy. Yeah. Good actor, but I think he's in his place, you know? He's in the right place. Yeah. Patrick Stewart made the role of Picard so iconic that it's it's really Challenging to imagine anybody else in it. So there's sowing the seats of tension in front of us right away They don't necessarily agree on course or action and they're frustrated by the idea that they're in this station and

Colonel Day is positive that it's deserted. And when Jarro gets on the screen and Colonel Day is like, there's no one here. We got the station, everything's cool. Colonel Day is a fun character because he's so cocksure and he's so excited to lick Jarro's ass in a way that general Krim is not. Krim seems like the only professional operating on this mission. Luke Jaros asks in a way that general crim is not. Crim seems like the only professional operating on this mission, which is part of skipping to the end

what makes what happens to him so tragic. He's doing the will of his government. He's doing the best he can with the information he's got. And he's being undermined by Colonel Day and he's being over-mind by Jero. Yeah, he's a real Rambo character where he's being asked to do something... Photographs. Just photographs.

And he goes and does it and then gets treated like dirt when he comes back. He's not in a good place. And you know, who else isn't in a good place? Is the squirrel-de-way DS9 crew who've remained in the Jeffries tubes? O'Brien is just going to town in these MREs, which, which disgusts everyone around him. I'm not gonna eat that shit. I love him.

When you go camping, you want to put the task of food acquisition in the hands of someone who actually cares about the quality of the food. Right. Otherwise, you're just going to be eating macaroni and cheese with unreconstituted dried peas in it. Right. Exactly.

You can eat well, even when you're eating away from home. And O'Brien got hooked on MREs while he was fighting the Carties. And I guess he's gone full flashback. It's the one thing that puts him in the Cartie fight and frame of mind and I guess he's eating like it's like a haggis flavored RX bar. It's just totally wrecking everyone else. Time release formula of all nutrients the body needs for three days. This is the soilant dream Depicted before soilant was ever a thing eating once every three days sounds a little sad though

Yeah, that's the problem with soilant eating food is an important part of the Act of being a social animal The joy of being alive even right active being a social animal. The joy of being alive even. Right. We are not computers as much as tech bros, wish we were three egg whites, 14 peanuts and sheep stomach. Delicious.

Brian is the wharf of this era of deep space nine. So they got to get out of these tubes, Ben. They've got to use the element of surprise because they're going to get gassed out, right? Like they pick up some comm signal. Yeah. That anesticine gas is a common. Yeah, O'Brien says like, that's smart.

I might have thought of that. And it's like, come on, O'Brien, we know that you might have thought of that because somebody else thought of that on the enterprise when you were stationed there. Hey, you know what else would have been a great thought bringing some DS9 branded gas masks. The two of us, huh? You're in space. What are the chances you guys have respirators available to you? Give me a break. Maybe they just didn't have enough time. Like, they spent a lot of time evacuating the people and they didn't accommodate the

idea of needing to get some EVA suits together. So would you just look at O'Brien after his comment and be like, if you thought of it, why didn't you think to bring gas masks, you fucking asshole? O'Brien sort of ruining the camp out isn't it right he's the guy that brought a guitar come in how we run so what do they do they they drop out of the tunnels as the gas starts flying,

and they get to jump on the Bajorans, on the Bajoran security team, and they do a bunch of Star Trek fighting. Odo turns himself into a tripwire. Yeah. So I guess he's making like home alone traps now. I like that it's like a, it's clearly like a specific tripwire

that somebody designed, and not just a string of Odo goo across the Hale. It could have been goo. He doesn't have to go full trip wire. Right, but he's got pride, you know? He wants to depict like an RF-9, but you're an issue trip wire. He should have turned himself into a bear trap. What happens if Odo gets

somebody's blood on him? Does it like get incorporated? There are so many cool things that the T1000 was able to do that Odo just doesn't think to do. Yeah eventually I think there's an episode of just him watching Terminator 2. I have a lot of work to do. And then he gets a lot more interesting after that. Two pieces of media that Odo doesn't watch. Terminator 2 Judgment Day and any Fantastic 4. Yeah.

Because he should be Mr. Fantasticing himself all over the station. Yeah, there's always been times when somebody's running away from him, where he does not reach his arm out super far and grab them and I'm like, why not? Or go into someone's mouth. He reaches out after someone running away and then grabs them by the head and then his fingers go into his mouth and nose. Yeah. So you take someone down? Yeah. Like that silver stuff in the matrix going down, Keanu Reeves' throat. Right. Gross.

We do some cross cutting back and forth between what's happening on the station and what's happening between Kira and Dax. And there's some like... It's a real bejure and top gun situation going on. Yeah. And like you said before, it definitely has Millennium Falcon feel, especially because Kira is the pilot and Dax is the gunner. And they're sort of yelling at each other.

They're giving them each other orders and Dax is having a real hard time with these antiquated controls. Yeah. She doesn't like that there's no computer, it's a targeting. It's really just, you know, aim and pray kind of a situation. And they managed to take out one of the pursuing aircraft, but I don't think they get away from the second one, right? They did the whole tuck your head in your arms and bend over a situation,

but bend the inside of this shuttle looks really pointy. Yeah, they don't do the... This now looks horrible. Like, they're also not strapped in, at all. And I wonder, like, this is really exotic headcan here. But I wonder if the ship has like inertial dampers, and they're hoping that those inertial dampers will survive the crash.

So from their subjective experience, the ship doesn't bounce around that much when they hit the ground. Like some race car style over the shoulder and around the hips, you know, cam locks. Right. I think I think would look just at home in this old Jelope shuttle. Yeah. And they should have put on a Hans device and an old thing. Safety first cure index. Yeah.

So they crash and we assume that they are dead and we cut back to space station, deep space nine. Colonel Day is going through Quark's bar with a bunch of his security people and they discover that one of the hollow sweets is on and they go in there and then Cisco, Brian and Lee Nalis are like standing around a table planning their next secret attack. They're all just taking turns on fuckbokai.

Yeah, you know, like even in a time of crisis you've got to release those those urges So the majority of the guys all like hot hot hot hot into the room and say you're done Not seeing the super obvious trap that is about to be sprung The door slams shut the holograms of Cisco O'Brien The door slams shut the holograms of Cisco, O'Brien, Lee Nellison, Fluckbokai, disappear, and they're trapped in there. Isn't the first rule of occupying any meteratory, like never let the door close behind you?

Yeah. And Cisco gets on the radio and starts talking to Colonel Day and he's like, hey listen, I'm the commander of the station and I know that you're here for regions that you believe, but hear me out. The Cardassians are supplying the weapons for this crew. Ridiculous. So, by being here taking this over, you're actually helping the Cardassians and I need you

to get that information to the general because that is going to affect the way he continues this operation. Colonel Daylec doesn't buy it. He's like, that is a federation line. And Cisco is like, well, nobody knows that it's the Kardashians because the Kardashians are using therisari to do this. So you get that information to your boss, and we'll sort this out, buddy. Cisco has made the fatal flaw of not going to the tap. Right. With his information. If he has the ability to open a communications channel

to a hollow suite, one would assume that he could do so to ops. Maybe he doesn't connect to ops because ops could track him too easily. And it's hard to it would be hard for them to track him from being trapped inside this Hello, sweet. They should have turned off all the holograms of of them, but left fuckbokai up. Just gyrating. Fuckbokai should have delivered the message on their behalf. Yeah. If you can read the description on my baseball bat, it'll tell you all you need to know. Just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, and Dax and Kira are sneaking around in the dark.

It looks like Kira has taken some damage in their crash landing, but Dax is AOK. Yeah, Kira looks really fucked. She's in a lot of pain, like eye crossing amount of pain. Yeah, and she's kind of trying to talk to DX into the like, you go on without me shit, but they start to move and Kira passes out and they're like surrounded by by you know legs and voices. So

again, we have to assume after now that we know that they didn't die in the thing that truly killed them. Now we have to assume that they are prisoners. Right, it's so weird to get too straight, like too straight basic fade outs on the same two characters that heavily imply that they're done for. Right. Yeah.

Kira comes to in the bed of Vettek Barrel, right? Yeah. Her shoulder's been put back to normal. Her broken hip has been repaired, but it's sore. She was walking around on that thing man. Which gives her a fun amount of like limp swagger the rest of the episode. Yeah. She's got great limp continuity. I like that swagger. Dax walks in with a couple of matching Vedic robes, complete with the Sydney Opera House headdress on, and she's like, we got to go into that religious chamber and deliver our

proof. The time is now, and so they played a little dress up, and like Dax, this entire episode has been really put forward as like the quippy comic relief character. And she kind of has been this whole season in a way that she wasn't really in season one. And I'm wondering if this is emblematic of them just trying to figure out who she is. And by them, I mean the writers.

Are the writers just trying to distinguish her in some way because Besides her being a trill there really was not a ton of Stuff for her to work with in season one as far as personality goes. Yeah, I agree. I feel like season one Vastly underutilized the DAX resource in the way that you know, I Mean we we talk about the potted plant phenomenon on TNG with Beverly and Troy. And that has been a less of an issue on Deep Space 9 because Cura is such a dynamic character. But DAX has definitely just been kind of sitting in the background and, you know and being an object of affection

for most of the male characters. Yeah, which is sort of, I mean, it's an unfortunate box to put her in. Right. Because that doesn't allow her any character or agency of her own. It's just who she is as a reflection of who sees her. There's so many interesting things that you can do with her.

Like we talked about before. She's a real Swiss army knife of a character. So maybe the, maybe the equipsness is that. I mean, maybe they just wanted her to be equippy in this arc. I guess we'll have to see if it continues for the rest of the season and the series. Something to keep an eye on.

So into the Bajoran Senate, Kira and DAXWAC, and the Bajoran Senate is a very small, unassuming room, which I like. It's like, it is not a, it is not like the, not like the House of Representatives in a, even like a state, it's like worse than a, worse than a city council meeting, Chamber, in like a small municipality outside of Tucson. I really love that like at some point, I think it was in this episode, a couple of bajorans are talking about how, you know, Bayjor gave the galaxy, you know, art and architecture

and like these things of great beauty. We gave it all away. We don't have any left for ourselves. Yeah, that's the part they didn't say. Like there is no example of this in this episode at all. Like all of the bejorins are wearing gray. They convene in a gray conference room. Right. All the bejorns are wearing gray. They convene in a gray conference room to plan the issues of the day for their government.

That's a lot of proof there. So they have this evidence. They have the some print of a Cardassian girl selling weapons to the Cressari that then wound up in the hands of the circle. And Minister Geros like, cool! If that evidence really exists, I'd love to see it. Sort of after Vedic win took control of the moment. I assure you there's nothing to these accusations.

Then you should have no objection to an inspection of this manifest minister. Yeah, she really throws them under the bus. Yeah, and that was the turn in the episode for me that really surprised. It was like, oh shit, well, like, when has got to know that investigating this will reveal a possible collusion between he and Jero and the Cardassians, but if what she wants to do is really save her own ass, then she's got to be on team investigation first. And that's critical because she makes Jero follow him into this line of thinking. Right. And that makes him look bad. Yeah.

And it's really just like she sees him going down and she is ready to step over his body to get to the top. Like she has no fucking use for somebody who is involved in a scandal. Right. The scene ends with a great like, you know, Kira staring at Jero, looking at him like she knows she got some dead derites.

And up on the station, Krim is confront Colonel Day. And tells him, You deliberately withheld information that was to be communicated to me. And you fucked me, dude. Like, I'm getting fired over this because you were such a zealot that you didn't transmit critical information to me. It's such an interesting character arc for CRIM because you don't really know anything about him except his reaction to news.

Yeah. And he's such a professional the whole time that like, it's so weird to feel like this is a tragedy for him because you don't really know him at all. Yeah. But I truly felt awful for him that he's going down for this and it's not his fault. Yeah, and the kernel is such an interesting character too because it's not like the kernel legitimately didn't believe Cisco and just thought it was, you know, Syops, right? I thought it was, thought Cisco was telling him something to throw him off the scent. And his silence could have been, could have been called like protecting Krim.

Right. And so he made a judgment call and he had biases that made his judgment bad. Right. Like it doesn't seem like he's an overeager character, but he's not really a bad character. He just, he winds up fucking shit up for a lot of people because he's so over-zealous. Krim comes down on Colonel Day pretty hard, but Day manages to suppress his feelings until he jerks a pistol out of a holster and fires at Cisco and Lee Nalus seeing this happen in slow motion goes full eastward. Runs for the air rap and he hits that air rap and he takes the phaser bullet for him. Yeah. Lee Nalus a forgotten figure basically the entire three episode arc.

Colonel Day could have ended this episode, you You know having made a an understandable mistake instead. He Kills the war hero of his people Colonel Day could have failed up and become the new general basically right trim goes. Yeah, what is he thinking? What did you think of the Corderoi cat baskets these But you're in commandos all ahead. I'm loving those baskets, Ben. Yeah.

I like the idea of using corduroy and a cat basket. It's a nice soft material for a nice little kitty. Stylish and useful. And if you run the cords vertically, it allows for a nice slide of the weapon out of the holster. Right. You don't want to get that perpendicular cord bin. No.

Then it's sounding like a zipper when you pull out your, very embarrassing to have a zipper sound when you pull your gun out. You don't want to telegraph that sound to your salons. That's for sure. Hail, no. And so, Lee Nellis dies a hero, and it's like the heroic death that he, never felt like he deserved,

and you never felt like he was a hero. Lee Nallus looks up at Ben Sisko, and he's like, just do me one favor when I die. He's like, play that single press instrument of my death. Just because I got you, buddy. That they do. Morning. Morning.

Morning. Sweet. Morning. Morning. Morning. The button on the episode is Kira kind of mourning the death and then huffing off and O'Brien turning to Cisco and going like, but Lee Nellis was a little bitch! Why are we acting like he was a cool hero? He hardly did anything the last three episodes.

Let's just go going Listen Chief, that dude is a symbol to a lot of people and if anybody asks, I'm gonna tell him he was the hero they believe he was You like this episode Ben? I did I Thought it was pretty fun. I don't know that this arc is like all that strong But I think this is probably my favorite of the three parts

I liked the I like the dog fighting sequences. Those were cool and fun and it seemed like they actually did some cool special effects work. You know, and overall I enjoyed myself. I medium like the episode and here's why. It feels like they forgot five minutes. Like I don't necessarily want to see the conclusion for day and general Kim. I wanna be back on the planet surfacing

what happens to Jero. Yeah. Like why don't we get to see him taken away in cuffs or Vedic win, pleading with Jaro to not say anything as he goes to prison about her. Yeah. What is, why don't we see any of that? Do we see it in the next episode

or do we see it many episodes in the future? That feels totally unfinished to me. And that the last scene that we get is O'Brien and Cisco not talking about a failed coup on the planet and what the consequences of that are and are instead talking about Lee Nallus and whether or not he was a legend like like there's something else that they should talk about also I think. It is weird. I was also really confused because it's kind of a secret that Minister Jero is down with the circle at the beginning of the arc, and then the deep space nine gang learn that he is down with the circle, but that doesn't seem to have any negative political impacts on him, right?

It's just that the circle was getting their weapons from the cardassians that's bad. That you have to ask the question means that there's something a little bit broken about the sequence of EPS. Yeah, I just don't, I don't, I don't get it. I must have missed something, but but I did feel myself scratching my head over that. RSV Peeley Nalus. Yeah. We barely knew him. They didn't even try. Maybe he didn't want to be known.

Yeah. Ben, do you want to see if anyone has priority one messages? They want known? Yeah, I do. I really do. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. You need a supplement on that. supplement on that? supplement

supplement Yeah, it's extra. The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship. Ben our first priority one message is from Emily. It is for Rickety hat. The message goes like this do you rickety? The anacats Bachelorette approaches. I've decided Someday wed just so that I can have a Star Trek theme Bachelorette. Oh I've just traded some scarves for West-Hot American Summer shirts

Sport on Falcon Mike's Adventure Bus. Cool. Let's party like it's 10-forward. And we have the pink and blue drinks of impending matrimonies. I love that! That's rad. Emily's got everything covered. She's got the wardrobe. Yeah.

She's got the party bus. She's got the pink and blue drinks. Yes, I got the West-Hot She's got the pink and blue drinks. Yes, I want to guess how to make a consumer shirt Thanks for buying shirts. I want to caution anyone participating in a bachelor or a bachelor at party go easy on the pink and blue drinks One or two and then mix in some waters or sit buffer beers, right? That is sufficient. You do not want to puke pink or blue or a combination of pink and blue, which I guess would be purple. That's your public service announcement. That's a salad piece of advice. Our next priority one message is from Juliet and it is for

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Drunk Shimoda! I could describe it but you could also watch it. It's at about the 13 minute and 30 second mark. It's where the leanallis is telling the bejorins who have swarmed the runabout pad to leave. Lee Nallis is telling these bejorins. He's like, look, we're bejorins. We got to stick around itself, our own problems. We can't just run away. And for some reason, Mornis there in the back. Mornis there in the back. Yeah. Morn is there in the back, and he's trying to give his ticket to Lee Nallis.

Yeah. Yeah. Mark Allen Shepard is the guy who plays Morn, and I really, I really dig his, his decision making as a background actor. He really makes choices. Yeah. Yeah.

I love this. And he's not making the choices that attract the eye, like a bad background actor is calling attention to himself in a bad way. You don't want to do that. And Morn is just truly confused about who he needs to give his ticket to to get out. He's clearly not bejorin.

He's looking at Lee Nalus. Are you the conductor of the train here? Are you going to take my ticket? Is this the guy? I'm trying to figure out if Morn is smart or dumb in this scene, or if he just doesn't understand the language that Lee Nalis is speaking, because sometimes when you're in like, you're in a train station in a foreign country, I could see giving your ticket to the wrong person. That's a thing that happens. But like, I want, I want more backstory as to why more and things to do this.

It's hilarious. Yeah. Yeah. It's also just like a kind of a Shimoda like shot framing because the whole thing is about how like we're bejorins and this is a bejorin station and we should not be running from other bejorins. And it's like, more and it's like Mornin is like the only other thing in that frame. Yeah, I know It's great. He does a great job. What about you, Ben? My charmota is dax when she and Kira run into the Senate Kira very dramatically takes off her Vedic robes to reveal her very dramatically takes off her Vedic robes to reveal her pejorad militia uniform with dyno damage TM underneath.

And, uh, Dax just made me laugh because Kira is like, is like, trying to just kind of stream in there and dump the robes on the floor and get down to business. And Dax is like, like, picking the robes up off the floor and like trying to fold them up. But it's just like I like the decks like everything to be like neat and tidy well substantial political changes taking place. Sure. I can get behind that. Yeah. A greatest-gen live show is something you don't want to miss. Why? Well, it's a great opportunity to see me and Ben in person, but that's not all.

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