The Greatest Generation - Lt. Coffee (DS9 S5E22)

Episode Date: January 13, 2020

When Dax insists on doing one more Star Trek before going to sleep, the crew agrees to squeeze it in. But when they must decide what to do about “Planet Progeny,” it’s a decision will keep them up at night. How much does a Klingon head weigh? Where are all the Bashirs? Has anyone seen Sliding Doors? It’s the episode that that gets its car egged every once in a while.

Priority 1 message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Hey friends of Disodo. Before today's episode, we just wanted to take a moment to talk about the historic labor actions being taken by writers and actors in the American Film and Television industry. If you're a fan of the work done by the people who make Star Trek, we hope you'll join us in standing in solidarity with the folks who actually bring these adventures to life. Over the past several years, the AMPTP, the organization that represents the American Film and Television Production Studios, have reduced the profit from movies and TV going to workers. And in so doing,

they've attempted to weaken the labor unions that represent those workers. They wouldn't even engage the unions on many issues in their negotiations. And so a strike was the only course of action to take. Adam, Wendy and I have been having a lot of internal discussions about how best to stand with the unions and we are continuing those conversations in a dynamic situation. We're doing our best to understand where the picket lines are in these digital spaces,

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I'm Ben Harrison. I'm Adam Pranica. Adam, we teased this. I think we may we teased this. I think we may have teased it on two different episodes. Not sure. But we were asking our audience. We would like to juice our number of reviews on Apple Podcasts, if we can.

We do want to juice it. We want the, whatever the anabolic steroid equivalent of more reviews on Apple Podcasts, because here's the deal. There's like algorithms on there that pick out, you know, who's getting a lot of reviews, who's getting a lot of new downloads, who's getting a lot of new subscriptions, and when those algorithms identify phenomena such as that taking place, they float those shows to the top,

because they're like, oh, this must be a hot show. Apple Podcast is all about trying to get hot shows hotter. And we're not a hot show, but we like to be. It's got the hottest hosts. That's for sure. Yeah, that's true. Check this out. Oh, there's my camera.

Oh yeah, how about this? Ooh, oh yeah, look at that. That's your blue steel look. Improven the traps every day. So, somebody identifying themselves on Twitter as at Crash7800 was kind enough to make a Google spreadsheet that pulls all the data from our iTunes reviews, our Apple Podcast reviews, and puts them in a spreadsheet. And we have a couple of,

the idea we had was ask us a question in the text of your five star review, and we'll answer it here on an episode. So do you want to go through a couple of questions? I want to say first of all, I am shocked that a document like this can be created. There's a bunch of automation happening here, right? This isn't a viewer like copying and pasting things into a spreadsheet, I hope. No, I think this was made automatically in some way. Wow. I don't know how. Not so automatic is to remove the non-5-star reviews, I see.

Yeah, if somebody could do that. I think we have as good a ratio of 5-star reviews to other kinds of reviews as a podcast could hope for. I don't think you can get to the number of viewers we have without pissing some people off along the way. You know? Like for every 10,000 viewers, there's gonna be one or two that are like,

fuck these guys. It's how you know you've made it. Right. You don't make it without getting your car egged every once in a while. Yeah. Here's a question to Ben and Adam. Will you trek up to Maine someday? Adam is a hard no. I've got to admit something that is a little bit shameful and that is that up until a few days ago,

I had not read the John Hodgman book Vacation Land. Oh, wow, you just read it. I was just coasting on the received knowledge that it was good and called good by people whose tastes that I trust. Yeah. And I finally read it, and obviously it's a great read. And it made me appreciate the northeastern part of the country like I haven't before and I think based on John Hodgman's storytelling about Maine, I would totally go there but it's a question of economics. Right. The circle we have to square with any tour stop is are there going to be enough people

in the room when we get there to cover the cost of traveling, like all, you know, the two of us plus robes traveling there staying in an Airbnb or a hotel room for a night and meals and other attendant expenses. And I think we have a pretty good sense for most of the country, like where we draw enough to make it economically viable, but Maine is definitely still sort of an unknown, and I don't even know off the top of my head if I've looked at our download numbers in Maine, so. When I'm feeling good and nice, my reaction to something like this is, of course we want to go there. We want to go everywhere and do shows everywhere. But when I'm feeling irritated, my answer is, well, you move to Maine. Like, who's fault

is that? Maybe this person grew up in Maine. Yeah. I don't know how it works up there. Do people grow up in Maine? I think they're plucked from the water. That's how we get all our flinty people in this country, right? Yeah. Grom and Maine. All the flinty people in my life are minisotens. Oh, yeah, there's some flinty flintiness up there, too. Yeah. Here's another one.

Will you stroll around Echo Park Lake with me? I'm so lonely. I'll bring snacks and pod fluid. Why don't you take this one Ben? Uh, yeah. If you see me walking around Echo Park Lake and I walk around it almost every single day when I'm in town, please come up and say hi and I will enjoy some snacks with you. You can recognize me by my dog. I would recommend that you invite Ben onto a swan boat, where you can have a guaranteed

uninterrupted half an hour together with no escape. If I didn't have the dog with me, I would give serious consideration to a swan boat hang with somebody. It's mostly that I'm there walking the dog. I have not been on the swan boats in the two and a half years or something that I've lived here, just because I'm never there, not with a pooch. I love Echo Park. Every time I visit LA, I go there with you, Ben, but when I move to LA, I probably won't be living anywhere near there, and that makes me a little sad. Well, you can come visit me anytime, buddy. All right. This one just has, it has a couple of question marks

in the body, but I think their question is in the title of the review, and the question is, probably a good question for you to answer, Adam. Does the good Dr. Bashir drink PP? I believe he does. Ben, I think that's been asked and answered over and over again. Yeah, I think that's canonical track at this point.

It really is. Why does Adam think Voyager is all pan-flutes or something? What's the deal there? Well, I've consumed very little of Star Trek Voyager, but what I have watched has been Chico Te related and this pan-flute related. And so that's really all I base that on. That's enough, right?

Yeah, I think that there is a pretty well-documented and unfortunate history surrounding that element of Star Trek Voyager, which is that there was a fraudulent consultant. He claimed to have all this knowledge of Native American cultural traditions and heritage and was hired by the Star Trek Industrial Complex to give Voyager ideas for how to explore Chicoete's Native American identity. What a scandal.

What? This guy was not Native American, didn't know. He was fabricated almost everything. The guy shows up for an interview and he's like, you should hire me. My name is Joseph Reiter's Room. I think that there's even evidence

that Rick Berman knew that he was a fraud when he hired him. Wow. That's surprising. That's fucking rich. Given some of the other things we know about Rick Berman. Wow. Wow. Yeah. Ah.

Ah. Like, I really like the Voyager series a lot. And I like the character of Chico Tei a lot, but there are some truly unfortunate episodes about Chico Tei because of this myopic white production staff choosing to believe a guy because of this myopic white production staff choosing to believe a guy because it was the easiest thing to do.

Yeah. Instead of hiring actual American native writers, they chose to go this other way. And yeah, that will always be a bit of a dark stain on Voyager. And if we ever get to Voyager, I'm sure we will drag that pretty relentless way. But there's a lot to like about Voyager. I would say we'll never do it just to get a rise out of our viewership. But you and I both know that this is a lifetime sentence.

This is the greatest generations show, and I know we'll probably do them all. Ben, I wonder if the reason why we would never be hired to consult for the new Star Trek is an experience like this. Like, if it took them this long to find out about that full of shit person, their ability to detect shit must be so sensitive that there's no way that they would consider bringing us on in any capacity.

Yeah, I get to see why you might be a little bit gun shy. Yeah, understandable. Yeah, in that context. Well, I think that's probably, we should probably call it there for today, but if you would like a question answered on an upcoming episode of the greatest generation, leave us a live star review on Apple Podcasts and leave your question in there, and we'll see if we get to it at some point. Hey, I like that idea as a new mayor and open every once in a while.

We might have already had a whole new drop and not even know it right now. Because whoever edits this, we'll have to make that decision. Oh, cool. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha to it been. Let's do it. Just as you send a message to our future self, so does today's episode have to do with a sort of time travel at season five episode 22, Children of Time. Do you realize how incredible this is? No, of course you've done. Children of Time. We start this episode on the little D. They're heading back to the A quad from the G quad after a recon mission of some kind.

And the sense we get from the characters is that they're all pretty wiped out from this long space voyage. There's a scene in the commissary where Kira, Dax and Odo are having a cup of coffee talking about how eager they are to get home and Dax kind of puts her foot in it. She says, hey, why don't you and Shrikhar go get a spa day when you get back and Kira is like, yeah, we're actually not seeing each other any longer. We're not seeing each other anymore. When did this happen?

It seems like it's happened fairly often the idea of DAX conversationaly being an inciting incident for something else. Seriously. It turns out that Shikar and Kira went to a sort of palm reader, and that fortune teller told them that they weren't meant to be together, and so they took that person's word for action and broke up. This is why I have never consented to going to a fortune teller with my wife. Dex makes the case that people who want to be together should try to be together, you

know, like a sane person. Yeah. And Kira isn't even trying to hear that, but Odo, all he can think about is the idea that Kira is now back on the market and he excuses himself to get some bucket time. I kind of wondered if Dax was intentionally provoking Odo in this scene because she's like, what do you think Odo? Like, about the whole meant to be together versus not issue. And he's like, oh, gotta get out of here. My bucket needs to be reorganized. It takes on a dark tone if you think of it like that.

That that DAX is instigating here for her own amusement. It kind of felt like that could be a thing, but he goes and excuses himself. And we get really intense Odo eyes to another scene. Right. We go to the bridge and there's a server there. Yeah. Andson Rectagino is just walking around the bridge with, uh, with insulated mugs for people. He's got pips. Is he doing that thing like where they're all equal? But he's like, all right, I'm going to go get the coffee this time. It's cool.

Or is he a server whose job it is to serve coffee on the little D. Yeah, he's a lieutenant, I guess, right? Yeah. You've got two pips. Yeah. Don't you dare call me Mr. Coffee. I am Lieutenant Coffee. When I had my office job, I would leap at the opportunity to go on a coffee run because I was so bored and hated being in the office so much. Yeah. So, you know, just to break up the day, maybe Lieutenant Coffee is like me. He'd much rather be yelling at his friend about Star Trek on the internet.

I wanted to know everything about this guy. Unfortunately, this is his only scene. Yeah. Cisco declines a Ractagino. He's trying to cut back. And this is another scene of people talking about how eager they are to get home. And then DAX, some interesting readings. You know how a Star Trek episode starts, right? They're heading to one place, and then the ship picks up anomalous readings, and they have to divert for for reason.

The vibe of this is so familiar to me and I think this cold open is so related to the idea of fatigue and. And you rarely see this in Star Trek right everyone's just fucking tired and they want to go home and sleep in their own uncomfortable beds right this feels so much like. The store is about to close and one last customer walks in. And you're like, I guess we're going to stay open. That's what this is like. I am always so sensitive when I'm that customer. It's the restaurant thing, right? Like I never want to go to a restaurant a half an hour before close for this reason. When we did our show in Philly on this most recent tour, I got into our Airbnb like super late at night. It was like, it was like past midnight and I hadn't eaten dinner and I was famished. And there was one place left open in the neighborhood that we were staying in.

And I caught them like 15 minutes before they're like 1 p.m. posted closing time. And I went in and I was like, I am so sorry to do this, but I would like to order food. Is that, is the kitchen still open? Are you still serving? And like, the staff was all like,

incredibly kind about it. They're like, it's not a problem, man. Like this is, we're open till one. The kitchen closes at one. You're totally fine. Like order something, take your time and joy it. Like do not trip. And I couldn't not feel bad that I was, I was keeping them there, you know? You couldn't not trip. Yeah. After the show is one of those moments for us where we're finally done, we're all packed out, shits back in our Airbnb and we're starving. And sure enough, it's midnight. What's open? And we found a place around the corner from our Airbnb that was

a lot like this, except it was empty. Like, it's one thing if you go to a place that may or may not be serving food, but this place was clearly cleaning up in an effort to close early. I think it was like a Monday night or something. It was like, it was not the night to be out super late, having a drink and a meal. Yeah. So I understood why they wanted to close, and I did not want to keep them there.

And you know. There's a way to do that right though. It's, are you still serving food? It's, you don't order food. You ask if they're still serving food. Yeah, and then you tip handsomely. Right. So, DAX gets this anomalous reading. What kind of readings?

She talks everyone into going and exploring this planet that has a quantum barrier around it. Time travel. And she's saying basically like, it's now or never. If we don't go take a look at this weird planet now, we won't be able to because there's kind of a predictable increase to how much interference there is in this barrier. And we could sail right through it now, but by the time we could get back here, there wouldn't be any way to check this place out.

We know from Star Trek First Contact that any term with quantum in the name means time travel, right? Right. Like, we know this, why don't they? I don't know. This is post-first contact. Warf has been doing some time traveling.

Yeah, it's strange. It's strange because the conflict isn't about the relative danger of entering a thing with quantum in the name. It's that everyone's tired and wants to go home and are reluctant to tag a mission onto the end of their mission. I wish that there was more of this because I think DAX as a character would be a really fun person to play with this idea that she's kind of like the the straight-A student that is always asking teacher if they forgot to

assign homework. Right. She's kind of a smarty pants sometimes and if everybody's like, uh, DAX, come on! You know, that would have been fun. That would be if she were the Lisa Simpson of the crew. Yeah. Yeah, I like that. It's not quite how they play this, but Cisco agrees that this is an interesting science opportunity, and so they head into the barrier with a couple of shield modifications that DAX has suggested. But these modifications do not prevent the bangers and as they enter a bunch of war

flighting starts coming out of Kira's station. And we see her kind of doubled up for a second. We see multiple Kira's, which is I know a fantasy of years. Yeah, it's very exciting for a moment. She got the Wharf lightning, but she feels okay. They're trying to call Bashir to the bridge. I love that a crew person is struck by lightning on the bridge and they call for medical attention and Kira is like, no, I'm fine. She's not a soccer player. She's going to play through this, you know? Wharf kind of gives her the look, like, yeah. She's tough.

You took that wharf lightning like a wharf. They get hailed from the surface, Adam. They have stumbled upon a planet that is populated by humans. Yeah, it's a creepy hailed too. Welcome to Guyacaptain Cisco. You know my name. It's that creepy hail of people that know too much about you. Yeah.

Down to the fact that Cisco is trying to cut back on the rack to Gino. Yeah. The people in the FaceTime are Miranda O'Brien and Yedren Dax. Yeah. And that is a bit nice, like, familiar, Star Trek space, which is the, like, semi-outdoor, indoor space, the... Yeah, the town square place it. The town square place it is back in a big way.

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Quantum shield and like crash into the planet, but 200 years into the past and They and everyone else in this town are the cruise descendants.. So like the fact that they're talking to an O'Brien and a dax means that the dax symbiant is in Yedrin and the O'Brien lady means that O'Brien has had children with another woman. This is fucking spectacular. And he is really really not excited about this and gets a little explanation that Ensign Tannenbaum is who he is going to sire this lineage with and they all gather together and they sing a little song. Oh, tan and bow, oh, tan and bow, the chief will not inside of you. Now I know that chief O'Brien's putting up a pretty big fight about whether or not he

would ever sleep with another woman, but what my theory presupposes is, maybe he got to protest too much? Yeah, it does seem to protest too much? Yeah, it does seem to be a great pains to, like almost like a guilty man does not want people to think that he is down for this as an idea. No, I think it is very, it's a very specific choice by the episode

not to show this person. Yeah, and what a robo babe she probably is. Yeah. Probably pretty good at throwing darts, right? Oh, yeah. That's it. That's how you get your work your way into his heart. Yeah. They meet like a couple of town square people. They meet this kid Gabriel, who's really excited to meet Wurf because Wurf is the son of Moge and Gabriel aspires to one day be a warrior despite being a towheaded nine-year-old boy. Gabriel introduces himself to Wharf and he's like, did you know the Klingon head weighs 46 pounds? But Yedren has a solution to the problem.

And he takes, I think, Dax and Cisco to explain some of this to them. They walked into the lab, and Yedren is explaining that the colony has spent the last 200 years working out a solution to this problem. And it actually has a lot to do with what happened to Kira when they went through the barrier. There's a way to split past defiant apart from present defiant at the quantum level so that they don't have to collapse the timeline that all of these 8,000 people existed in in order to go home. They can both go home and also leave this colony here to continue to develop.

You know what they say, Ben? You can go home and you can stay here. Wow. They do say that, don't they? It's a real twilight zone type of story that's unfolding here because immediately my head went to the moral stakes of this. What is real life? Who are actually living real lives and who aren't and is there a different? Right.

And what are these characters going to be like? real lives and who aren't and is there a difference. Right, and like, who are, like, what are these characters gonna be like? I mean, like, they've already planted the idea of the Klingons that are part of this society. There's so many interesting directions they can take this. And it's really interesting that at the 12 minute mark, seemingly all the stakes of the story are taken off the board.

Yeah, but replaced with a dozen questions about possibly outcomes. Right. It doesn't kneecap interest in the story at all, and I think that that's like such a cool move from a writing standpoint. I really feel like this is one of the strongest first 15 minutes of a DS9 app in a long, long time. I was totally wrapped. It's really good. So Cisco tells Jadziah Dax to check Yedrin Dax's numbers.

And yeah, they're kind of off to the races. And Cisco even favors Yedrin with an old man to end this scene. There's a lot of the crew people playing Ancestry.com on the surface. And one of the things people playing ancestry.com on the surface. And one of the things that's revealed, Ben, is that Chifo Brian is the last to fuck. Like they make the case that he's the last holdout,

the last crew person who had any hope of returning. Wow, I totally missed that element of the story. What a thing. And that is a thread, like to the extent that there are separate A, B and C stories. I think that O'Brien's story is the C story, the degree to which he can get on board with the plan as it was and the plan that it could be going forward. Yeah. He's really got a ton of paythos here. The writing on O'Brien's journey is super well done because it doesn't, like, to the extent

that it's a C story, it's never like its own scene, it's just like how he's experiencing A and B story scenes. Yeah, I think it's really well done. It's super good. So in the 6 Bay on the defiant Bashir is checking Kira out. She's got like those those neural devices suction cup to her forehead. Many clips show devices. Yeah. Bashir is saying she's going to be fine for now, but he's pretty eager to get down to the surface. So, he loads Odo into a cagurator that he's going to stay in for the rest of the episode because he can't hold his shape with all this quantum interference.

Yeah, it's pretty interesting to take him off the board, but he is almost immediately replaced with... A character that I'll call Odo. It's good to see you this is a version of Odo that looks generally like the Odo that we know he's gotten better at making face yeah and oldo really really comes for the face touching and stays for the confession of love this is some real Thomas Rikership, right? Like, remember when Thomas Rikers Deanna Troy

after the longest time, like he was, he was endure. Yeah, and also, you know, touching without asking. Yeah. Being a big part of how men expressed affection for women on TV in the 90s. part of how men expressed affection for women on TV in the 90s. Cause yeah, his first move is to hold his hand against the side of Kira's face.

But he drops fairly abruptly and early on that he's basically been holding a torch for Kira for 200 years and that he wishes that past Odo had been willing to confess how much he loved her. I don't know how many times I need to say it. I'm not a solid. I'm a changeling. I don't understand barriers and boundaries like a normal person. You have to realize I'm holding myself back from flowing over you like ejecta from say a penis Do you know how easy it would be for me to just drown you right here in this room?

But I don't how about giving me a little credit. I'm putting a My version of a solid hand on your face not the liquid on your face that I would like to Oh come on, Old O, gross. Did we say anything about Kira's death and the crash? I don't think we did. Oh, yes. So the description that we get from the colonist is that 200 years ago, Kira passed away pretty quickly because whatever that worth lightening did to her was something that was treatable on Deep Space 9, but they didn't have the right equipment on the little D to fix her.

So, she died relatively soon after the crash. And Oldo has been a member of the colony and he learned to hold his shape despite the quantum interference after a little while and then got really good at shape shifting, but has never stopped wishing he'd done the right thing and expressed his love for Kira back when he had an opportunity. Yeah, you talk about something that's solid. A crush on someone for 200 years is a real galvanizing force Which is why he's making up for lost time here with Kira. It's amazing to me that He would have spent 200 years not taking an interest in anyone else

Oh, man, that's some dark shit when you think about it. Nanna, visitor. There's only one of her. There's only one of her, and that I totally understand. I think here is reaction here contains multitudes, because at first she's like incredulous about it, and then she's non-believing, and then she's a little upset that he kept the truth from her, and then there's a little bit of like that.

I asked you for advice about relationships, man. Like, and impregnated in that comment is, was I getting the straight dope from you or were you manipulating the situation? Before finally coming to rest at a, wow, like I can't believe you kept the candlelit so long, that's pretty incredible. And Odo invites her to the planet to have some planetary time with her. And she is able to get to yes.

Yeah, what's fun is the last time we saw Sisko, he's like, right, well, Yedrin has this plan for how to refit the little D for getting the hell out of Dodge. And so he starts delegating tasks to the crew in order to make that possible. But Cisco doesn't have to help. He's just down on the planet, meeting his descendants and kissing babies and stuff. He has your eyes.

You think so? He's really presidenting around in a fun way and he gets a call from Yedrin and Jadziah Dax that they've run the numbers up on the little D and they are again confident in the in the plan of how they're going to get out of here without erasing the elements in history that led to the existence of this colony. That just goes reaction to this news comes in the form of him kind of cuing to a little baby that he's all day. I find it really interesting that in

this moment in time, like they've constructed a plan for how to split the ship into so that the colonists can flourish and multiply on the surface, and also the crew of the ship can go back to DS9. But there is no ethical question right now about the duality of this, right? And I was aching for a Star Trektrack-a-conversation about like, if I'm making a second me to crash on this planet and repopulate it, like, is that a good thing to do to me? To other me? Right, because that's like, that's sort of dooming other me to a pretty bleak next couple of decades. They're fairly myopic about concentrating only on the eventual colonists that flourish there and not on themselves, which is, I think, a more direct twilight zone place to take

the story. So I understand a little bit why they left that on the bone, but I know that's what I was preoccupied with at this part of the episode. They don't talk about themselves, they only talk about the colonists. And I think there's an equal ethical consideration. Stardric insurrection is a story that starts to play with, like, meeting a story that sort of starts to play with, like meeting a colony that has a magical element to it, like on a filmic scale, and I feel like this would have been a more interesting premise for a feature film, not to get a head of ourselves and

ruin a thing that we might take on tour one day, But like the idea of that feels like something that you could get into on a feature film scale. Right. Whereas like, confining it to one episode of television, I feel like you've got to kind of pick the battles. And I think they're both interesting things to explore, but they have time for one of them and not both.

Yeah, this is a whole lot of story constrained by a single episode amount of time. And I think it both works and does not work in its favor. What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing now? I'm not be guard, not be guard, not be guard, not be guard. Exactly. In the town square, Bashir and Worf were hanging out, and Bashir is kind of, you know, eagling around and saying like, yes, my healing ability is a bit of a legend around here. Did you wonder about Bichier's super DNA and what the consequences in a shallow gene

pool might be if you had his swimmers interacting with, with everyone else? Wow. I was shocked that the consequence to the repopulation wasn't Bashir's super DNA being like a very apparent. Wow. Yeah. Uh, I don't know. I, I guess I don't know enough about how the, the genetics would work and we don't, I, I think, meet any Bashir's, do we? No, we don't. There's a lot of lipishiers, do we? No, we don't. There's a lot of lip service paid to many bishiers

walking around down there, but no actual on-screen evidence of it. Do you think, I mean, you know that they weren't going to do this on the show, but I feel like the characters, and by that, I mean, especially O'Brien and Bishir would have the conversation that went like, who had more kids, do you think? Was it you or me? Yeah. Yeah. Always a competition between those two. That's what I'm saying.

We are the sons of Mogue. You are my descendants. The sons of Mogue are the people that are descended from war, either by blood or by choice. They're sort of a second faction on the planet. And not really, they don't have beef with the people that live in town, but they would like to live the life of the warrior outside the town. So they kind of hunt and gather and they trade furs for things when they come into town. And they've all got like, cling on beards.

And only one of them has any loaf on them at all. It's pretty awkward, right? Because it's not just the awkwardness between the sons of Mogue and the townspeople, but I think it's interesting that the episode after Marta put his pen on Worf's Letterman's jacket, that they're known as the House of Mogue and not the House of Martok, is that about? No, well I guess if you're isolated, maybe you re-evaluate the extreme rapidity with which you abandoned your previous house.

You know what, if you've traveled 200 years into the past, if you're a wharf, the house of mogue is a thing. Oh yeah, it's serious. Maybe it's as easy as that. When the house of mogue walks out of the scene, Bashir turns to orphan, says, I would appear that I'm not the only legend

around here. It's gave me a great T-shirt idea, Adam. Yeah. The T-shirt where there's an arrow pointing up and it says the warrior and then two arrows pointing down and it says the legends. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Ha, ha, ha.

Do you think if we put that in the Max Fun Story, we would sell any? I do. I really do. That is awesome. I like the idea so much that I drew it in my notebook and I'm going to Jackie and Laura you my terrible picture. Please do. That line of dialogue just thrown out like that by Bishir made me think of the other story

called this act that this episode doesn't pursue, which is they better not fuck any of these people, right? Like, like, there is no back to the future Lorraine and Marty potential hookup happening. There's no, there's no conflict like that. And I thought for sure, you know, in a longer episode or in a movie, that would be something that they pursued. Yeah, right. I mean, they're down there for a few days. So it seems like totally possible that, I mean, it seems possible that like this,

I mean, this colony has anticipated their arrival for two centuries. They could have like weird like kinks surrounding this, you know, even, you know. Like only in Obrayan can fuck a moog. Yeah. Or something, right? Yeah, like their erotic imaginations could be totally defined by this weird like time loop that they are aware of.

We're both bishiers. That's forbidden. That's why it's so hot, baby. Glug, glug, glug. Yeah. The one bishier was pissing in the other bishier's mouth. Right. Back in the little D. Yedren and Jadzea are discussing the timeline as it unfolded on the planet. And that timeline included the wedding of Dax and Wurf.

Yeah. It's so weird for everyone to just experience their own future as someone else has passed. Yeah. I really like that. And another brief conversation is between Bashir and O'Brien about like the women that they will eventually sire their lineages with. And like Bashir is like all geeked out about it and he's like, yeah, like the one I'm

gonna, I'm gonna nail is like really hot. She just transferred aboard last week. She's great looking. And O'Brien is really distant and angry about it. I don't want to hear about it, Julian. I mean, I haven't seen the movie Sliding Doors, but I have a feeling this is a real Sliding Doors situation for Chief O'Brien, right?

He's seeing a version of his life play out that he never anticipated. And it's sort of like betrayal of Kiko is being thrust upon him by fate in a way. And that's, I feel like he plays that really well, like that it's, he didn't design this for himself. It's being like told to him, like you will not be starting a family with your wife or having the family that you already have with your wife. You're going to have a different family from now on. It's not really your call. I'm really glad you put it that way because that

is in direct opposition to how Kira is feeling about things. Kira is a person who gives herself over to the idea that her one life is related to a sense of predestination and she's just sort of riding her life through to its conclusion. And O'Brien feels very differently about this. The idea of choice for him is very important and he doesn't feel like he has choices if he's on the planet surface. He sees all of this shit having already played out and it's really making him cranky.

She has a big conversation with Oldo about this idea of destiny and how much it grates against her to use like a trick of quantum physics and technology to avoid that destiny. One of the two carers is going to die, but the other one is going to get to go back to the station and not die.

And although it's really writing for this, he does not want her to die. His whole thing is that he's really glad that she's gonna have this opportunity to go on. He's like enjoying this brief moment with her now, but also very pleased that she's going to, like, that he will be able to think of her as continuing to exist outside of this planet. And that is not the way she lives her life. There are a couple of scenes that take place next to Kira's grave, and it really is a setting

that is a lot like the thinking window from TNG. Like she goes there to be introspective and to maybe make major choices. And it turns out major choices are going to need to be made because it's around this point in the episode that Dax grabs Cisco by the elbow and is like, hey listen, I have been triple checking some of the math that Yedren gave me and it's actually a little too perfect and I think that's because we're being deceived.

Yedren faked the logs. Why would it do that? It's like the 24-minute mark in a 44-minute episode that stakes are reintroduced. I also checked the timecode on this. I was blown away that this is at the halfway point. Yeah. Their plan was flawed from the start because if they go through with it, there will only ever be one little D. It's going to bounce off the shield and crash into the planet like it did before. I hadn't realized what he had done. We would have ended up stranded here. Yedrin is essentially trying to guarantee the continuation of this colony, which is understandable.

Yeah. Dax and Cisco confront Yedrin, and he basically cops to it. Now that you know what he would do about it. At this moment in time, this conflict triangle goes like this Why not just stay and figure out how to leave safely as a question that I had But you can't because Kira must return to the station to live but leaving means closing the time loop that their lives depend on on the surface And so it's this this loop Like one thing contradicts the many versus yeah, it's a needs of the many versus needs of the few conundrum and it's perfectly

designed like from a writer's room standpoint, this is a great dilemma because as a viewer, you can really see the case on both sides. Like it's also kind of interesting to entertain the idea. Like this, like we got everybody but Quark from the main cast here. I guess everybody but Quark the case on both sides. It's also kind of interesting to entertain the idea. We got everybody but Quark from the main cast here. I guess everybody but Quark and Jake from the main cast here. What if the show was just this from now on? You talk about your front to your medicine, but you just got to love this. He would be happier than a pig and shit.

A lot of injections. He would be happier than I was when I came up with my The War Here, The Legends t-shirt. It's a great shirt idea. I think we'll sell three of them. I think that you have to be wearing Klingon loaf for the shirt to work. Yeah, it's got a very specific audience.

It's got a micro audience, for sure. Yeah, it's got the micro audience of people that want to cosplay as Klingons, but want to wear a t-shirt and not armor. Yeah, there are a few of those. Yeah, I think fortunately it's probably, you know, no matter what your gender identities you can wear it, because we have to presume that all Klingon warriors are packing two of whatever they're packing.

Mm-hmm. Wrong household. I love that this episode injects a very modern kind of vibe back at DAX because it definitely takes a breath to go, hey DAX, all of this is your fault anyway. We wouldn't be here if you didn't want to investigate this planet. Yeah. be here if you didn't want to investigate this planet. Yeah, she did sort of sloppy scanning and was too excited about getting down to this planet to double check her math on the way in. So the local DAX kind of shames the space DAX for this as part of his defensive having

tried to trick them into killing themselves. I mean DAX is really hard on itself. I can get with that. Yeah, it me. Yep. I'm Dax. Cisco has decided unilaterally that he's not going to ask Kira to sacrifice herself

so that the settlement can live. Like he entertains all of the arguments, but he's made a decision. But at this point in time, what's the alternative? This is something I had a hard time getting my mind around. Is it guaranteed that they can leave orbit in the defiant safely and not ever run into the thing that crashes the ship and sends them into the past?

That's the guaranteed path, right? All they have to do is repair the ship and leave. Yeah, I think that they know what anomalous thing they hit to cause this, so. There's a part of this episode that is a little unclear about that, because I've... I wondered if there was an equal and opposing force to the danger of leaving in general versus running into the anomaly. But I guess there isn't, leaving is leaving. Leaving is leaving.

And we get what the ramifications of leaving are for a lot of different people. Like we consider what the ramifications are for the children in the colony. We get a scene where the sons of Mogue ask Worf to stab them in the chest with knives to give them a warrior's death so they don't have to just blink out of existence and not go to Stovocore. Right.

Which seems like a real loophole in how Stovocore works. Yeah. Do you go to Stovocore and then blink out of existence? Or once you get there, are you safe? Is it a race against time if you're them like yeah, you gotta kill me before tomorrow It's Indiana Jones the the stone barrier is coming down and they're sliding under it in dystopia core the door locks from the inside That's I mean I would have to right clings on tape doors. It's also clear that no one will tell the children. Yeah, that's dark I love how worst like I'll kill you tomorrow. I will come to you tomorrow and do what you ask. I love the, I love to have just gotten one of them

be like, so I have to go to sleep thinking about this. Jesus. You know I'm actually pretty bushed. A warrior does not ritualistically kill other warriors without a good night's sleep. This warrior is a little bit tucker to out. The next day is the last day for everyone's knowledge, right? Yes, and it happens to coincide with the planting day, the first day that they put all of the crops into the ground.

It's the cultivation of their crops that brings them all together, and it just happens to be this day. And I thought that one of the most interesting elements of this was how reticent Chifu Brian was to participate. And I think it's because he doesn't want to have vulnerable interactions with these people right before they blink out of existence. He knows that it's going to guilt trip him if he starts putting saplings in the ground with a little kid named Molly and he's sort of forced into it by

lack of, lack of anything better to do. There's no way to tuck his way out of it and it is the thing that makes him realize that he can't be a party to causing these 8,000 people to blink out of existence. I really came full circle in this scene because at first I was like, look at these dumb fucks like planting crops that won't see the end of the day. It's like using a leaf blower. Like what's the point? But then I remembered like how important a routine is to a sense of a person's place

in the world, you know, and had a meaningful doing stuff like this is. So I came around to it. The part that I had a really hard time with was the music for this, this planting scene. It, it seemed to pivot into kind of a Dr. Suci and kind of vibe when what I really wanted was a more mixed feeling of a tone. Like, like all of these people are going to die, and I think it would have been appropriate for the music to reflect at least a mixed feeling about things.

I mean, I feel like I was having it in spite of the music, but the music could have underlined it a little bit better. Over the last day, Kira and Odo go back to her grave, and Kira decides that she can't let Cisco take the ship back. She comes around to the idea of dying there. And then Cisco, DAX, War for Nobrien, have a pretty heated conversation about Kyra's decision and weighing the argument between whether one person's life

is equal to 8,000. And they, in the process, say some really hurtful shit to each other. I'm willing to remain here. Well, that's easy for you to say. You hardly ever see your son. Yeah. Cisco doesn't listen and stay strong. But by the time O'Brien has come around,

I think Cisco is on team going to the anomaly and crash land 200 years in the past. Yeah. So they say there's gabai is said all around. Gabai is between Oldo and Kira, most especially very painful scene. Oldo is super broken up and they actually kiss each other and I thought that scene was particularly great and powerful. Except Kira keeps her eyes open during the kiss, which was meaningful to me in the sense

that I don't know how much she was feeling it, versus it just being weird and perfunctory. Yeah. Are you a nice closed kisser? Every time. Wow. Admiral Bull. I often forget to close my eyes. I know that you're supposed to.

I hope the other person's keeping their eyes closed when they kiss me. It only gets worse. The closer you get, I would say that my wife looks great from any angle, including so close that I can't even focus on her face. On the bridge, they've loaded up the program. They're going to do this on autopilot.

That's how Yedren has made it. All they got to do is hit play, and then the ship is going to run into the anomaly, and that's how it'll go. But before they load up a probe full of their wills, and they shoot it back towards Deep Space 9, kind of a dark moment. But something that seems crucial at the time, like they have a chance to stick some messages in a bottle, maybe explain what they're doing.

I've got to believe that O'Brien's message is going to be pretty upsetting to read if you're Keko, right? Something along the lines of, I didn't want to do this. I didn't agree. But this is the way it is. This is what's happening. This is one of the many things that we signed up for when we joined Starfleet. Dear Keko, I regret to inform you that I'm going to go live on a planet and fuck most of the crew people on board would defiant.

It's not something I wanted to do, it's more of a duty really. It is my duty to please these beauties. If you want somebody to hate, you can hate me or read a tenon bell. Your choice. Yeah, please don't take this out on the tenon bomb family. None of us knew that this was gonna be our fate going in. But but the program was a bait and switch at them. They wind up As a bait and switch at him, they wind up veering around the anomaly and achieving escape velocity and flying away from planet. I would have loved to have seen the defiant jetting away into space and just like phasering

the probe full of wills. Man, I was totally thinking the same thing like it's a race against time. I saw that fucked up stuff to Keko. Punch at Cisco. There's a discussion between Cisco and DAX where they realized that I had a question in my mind whether it was Yedrin or OLDO and they kind of arrive at the conclusion that Yedrin must have done this. But now like they've scanned the planet

and the colony does not exist, it never existed. And Cisco says, well, they'll always exist as long as we remember them. Dax is like, what mean existence? And Cisco's like, it's like if you remember something, even though it doesn't really happen. Doesn't really matter. One thing I thought about was, not quickly swap deck symbiants?

Whoa! Because then you could preserve real memories from the colony in dance. Wow. I guess the only reason you don't do that is because it duplicates the Odo story that happens during the button. Yeah, and that story is that our, you know, prime Odo was story that happens during the button. Yeah, and that story is that our prime Odo was chilling in his cagurator and Odo came in and linked with him. And so Odo now knows everything that happens, happened, knows that his torch that he's been bearing for

Kira is on the table and that both of them are aware of it. And he also says that Oldo is the one that sabotaged the program and caused them to erase the existence of the colony. I don't know what to say. What a fucked up way to start a relationship. A version of myself that is 200 years older than me now elected to kill 8,000 people so that I could

fuck you. What do you think of that? Can't stupid Odo. I know maybe more than anyone else would it's like to gennishide for love. But I've got to tell you, your actions are pretty fricked up. When I gennisheted the Hooshnack in order to be forever with my wife, Roshan, I promised that I could never do anything like that again. As a doubt, it's a bit tough for me to keep track of which version of you did it or whatever, but that was you, you know it was you. If the Genishite bitch you must not accret. I could not believe the end of this episode.

It is so fucked up in about 10 different ways because when Odo talks about being linked with Odo, there isn't even a hint of, you know, I tried to talk him out of it, but he seemed pretty, pretty stubborn on the idea of going through with this idea, like, not at all, like, he was basically given this knowledge to take forward, knowledge to take forward and it's as if Odo became the probe full of wills. Yeah. And with his knowledge of how Odo feels about Kira, it's not a good look at all. Kira should look at him with horror. Yeah, it's so complicated, right? Because it's like, it's like both the most unambiguous declaration

of love ever. Like, I would take you over 8,000 other people as a grand romantic gesture, but also genocide. But also it wasn't this Odo that did it. It's like, it's like a thing he has the capacity for, but he isn't the one that did it. It's very fucking weird. Genocide makes a terrible bouquet of flowers. Yeah. And also like I'd the music of this

moment does not match the tone of what's happening either. I think you could almost done, done, done this. Yeah. But it ends like many other deep space nine episodes, which is just a ship cruising through space. Yeah, I I will be curious to see how Like to what extent this comes back and factors into the way We think about Odo and we think about his Relationship with Kira. Did you like the episode? I really liked the episode. I think that, like, not really remembering how it fits into the wake, Odo and Kira are

written going forward is maybe part of why I liked it, but I loved how just like momentous it was. I loved the ethical, quandary element of it. And I loved how many times the episode gets us on one side or the other of that quandary. And I think it was very well written, well acted. I mean, I think there are a few things that they had to leave out for time. But overall, just like a great execution of a real, like, top shelf star trek idea. So, yeah, I, top shelf Star Trek idea. So, yeah, I really enjoyed it.

How about you? Yeah, it's both very Star Trek and very science fiction-y, right? Yeah. And that's why I really like the episode too. It's almost too much to chase down all of these different threads, and I'd much rather have it this way

than to have too little story in two big of an episode. It's a bit of a Deus Ex-Machina in a way because it's kind of just a thing that happened to the crew that they didn't have a lot of control over. Yeah. Except for one of the crew architected it also. So it's both a Deus Ex-Machina and not. Yeah, I mean, it is Odo that did a fucked up thing.

The Odo of the past, the Odo that goes down with the colonists, is the same character. It's not like he's a different person. And so the way Kira treats the Odo of the present, I think, needs to reflect that. Boy, I think that that's really how this episode works is, Oldo is, is Odo, but René Oversonalized playing him different enough that it kind of feels like a changed character, and that's even commented on Raikira, right? Like, you're so much more like emotionally available.

Like, you used to be so closed off and now you're this like different version of yourself. And I think he's played like that. Yeah, I really like seeing a different gear on the show for Renee O'Bersianwath. Like, the blissed out Odo that you get here is a lot of fun to see. And it just makes the taciturn version of the character feel more effortful knowing that Renee has this talent to bring to the to bear you know. Yeah really fun episode. Yeah yeah I think really one of my favorites in a long long time even though the ending is is more ambiguous then I maybe would like

I really liked it a lot. Do you want to see if we have any priority one messages that you like as much as this episode? Yeah, we don't have to go back in time for those. Those are right here. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Need a supplement on. A supplement? A supplement. A supplement. Yes, extra.

The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship! And we have a couple of priority one messages here. The first is of a personal nature. It's from Andrew and it's to mostly Ben and Adam. Goes like this. If agreeable, could you do a bit of Vichy Frenchman accusing Kevin of war crimes? I don't think that has happened yet and it seems too perfect to pass up. Or maybe I'm wrong?

Shout out to Caitlin, Allison, and Homer for being my best Star Trek buds ever. Even if it has been a long, long, long time. Go fuck yourself, Raz! Go fuck yourself, Raz. And go fuck yourself, Kevin. Go fuck yourself. Raz. And go fuck yourself, Kevin! You have killed so many who snuck! Zel, we have bloodies on your hand! You are our world criminal!

I believe I've been fairly specific on the topic about their not being alert to fit my claim. I will take your rubber wafer away from you! You piece of shit! See if you like that as punishment! I don't think you want to hit the washp's nest that is a doubt, Vicky Frenchman. As you know, I am almost totally inconsiderate of consequences to my actions. Hey, I'm trying to watch a movie here.

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Guess that was the war voice as requested. Yeah War voice isn't current voice You and I know that definitely it definitely isn't but I it kind of Sounds like your Sulu in a way. Oh, yeah It's kind of little of your Sulu in it. It does Yeah, I mean I I really only have three impressions and they're and they're all related Oh yeah! It's got a little of your salue in it. It does. Yeah. I mean, I really only have three impressions in there, and they're all related, so yeah, that makes sense. That checks out. I'm a terrible impressionist, Ben.

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It's that Ben. Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? Drunk Shimoda! of our commercial free program. Hey Adam. Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? Drunk Shimoda! Yeah, there's that moment when the kid asks Wurf if he can kill someone by looking at them that is a very like grabbing Santa's beard and pulling it to see if it's real kind of vibe. Yeah.

And it's a very short, almost throw away scene. But I love that wharf just. Yes, and there's not a question in his mind about where he's going to go with his answer. And it is obviously, yes. Wharf, wharf took some classes that the ground lings are UCB or something. Pretty awesome. What about you, Ben? My dream about it is actually that kid, Gabriel, the kid that aspires to one day be a war here. And I just, I feel like he is so emblematic of a certain type of child actor that was cast in TV shows in the 90s, and was like the blonde or red-headed kid that was on the wrong path. Walker told me I had AIDS. Like, it's this haircut, a kid that looks like this

and it's like, is like addicted to crack or is like joining a street gang or something and it's like, it's this version of Hollywood that's like, well, we can't show like a black kid doing that. So, I have a kid that looks like he's going to sleep away school in kid doing that. So, um, um, um, um, um, love a kid that looks like he's, he's going to sleep away school in Switzerland doing it. Yeah. He's a kid you hope doesn't have some helicopter parents just off screen. Yeah. Uh, mismanaging his money. Yeah. So I looked up the actor and he, uh, he had a few other television credits but kind of stopped working around the early

2000s and I guess just had a little run in his childhood and teens as an actor but isn't working anymore. Wow, how about that? Yeah, best of luck to that guy, wherever he is, but for just being kind of an avatar of a phenomenon in 90's television, I had to make him my drunk Shimoda. A greatest-gen live show is something you don't want to miss. Why? Well, it's a great opportunity to see me and Ben in person, but that's not all.

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That's so too. But the Mayquease are going out in a blaze of glory, presumably. I guess there was only one possible end to the Mayquise story. Yeah, this would seem to be it. So I'm gonna head over to gach.biz slash game where we keep the game of buttholes, the will of the prophets. Currently we are on the 25th square in our little runabout. Just ahead is a naked

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They're not going to know where that's coming from. That's like air dropping a meme to everybody on your transcontinental flight. Really make someone's day like that. Yeah. Well, we got to thank our buddy Bill Tilly who makes trading cards out of every episode at Bill Tilly 1973 on Twitter. All those trading cards always make me laugh. Highlight of the week. We also got to thank Adam Ragusia who makes custom theme music for us. And he based that work on the great dark material who made the original Picard sign

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