The Greatest Generation - Message in a Buoy (VOY S2E11)

Episode Date: August 9, 2021

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Just two decaying bags of meat. Yeah. Sitting here, yelling into microphones about Star Trek. Needing to take emergency shit breaks between episodes. That's the live show energy you bring to a record. Yeah, that's what I think. That's the live show that energy that you bring to the live show. You're just solid as seers, aren't you? I've had a couple of live shows where I was pretty,

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last night. You sent me a I don't I don't have discord logged in on my phone so I didn't get this but the head of the drunksimoda.com discord group who we know by the handle J-Poop69 sent you and me a website that they, the friends of the photo over their maid on her behalf. And it got to me through you, but it's just, it's just kind of, I don't, maybe a Pinterest is a thing to compare it to. It's just kind of like a little collection of notes from different friends of Disoto saying nice things about our show. It was really great.

I hadn't logged into the discord in a while. I think the last time I was there, I spent like three hours doing an impromptu Q&A just because I was warming up dinner or whatever, had a great experience with that. It had been several weeks, and then when I popped back in yesterday, J. Poup, was like, hey, we made this for you.

And I clicked on the link, and I was as blown away as you were. Just, I don't know how many people might know this problem, but, you know, like the advice is just never read the comments. And I think to an extent, you and I have been pretty good about that, because whenever you do, you're invariably going to hit the landmine comment that like makes all the good stuff go away. Yeah, there's a weird imbalance in the like weight of comments.

And sometimes we get constructive criticism. And I really appreciate that. And I feel like we have grown as broadcasters from like trying to hear people when they, you know, express something to us that we like may not have realized was like going on with the show or whatever. And that's all fine. But then I but then speaking of bad faith, sometimes Adam's GI tract will spout off and just be a total shit to us. And there is an occasional redditor that speaks from that perspective. It's, we're very human when it comes to like reading mean shit about ourselves and it was so so nice to say just a page full of comments that were curated

to be the you know people sincerely expressed appreciation of what we do. A collection of things people say about you that you don't have to look at through your hands over your eyes. that you don't have to look at through your hands over your eyes. You know? It was really, really sweet. And, you know, J-Poop and Co. have been running the show over on the Discord for quite a while and have put together a really fun and positive community over there. And very chatty. Very chatty.

Super weak or so off from the Discord. And when I pop back in so many new conversations have happened between so many people. Yeah, it's really cool to think I got on over there. And you know, the other part of this is that it's always easy to forget the time I call my friend Adam once a week to try to make him laugh at some poor aisle sex pun I'm making with a Star Trek aliens name and goes out into the world and has like impact on other people's lives and it's really it's really awesome to hear from those people.

It's the best. The thing that I when I set you the link what I told you was bookmark this for when you lose your way. Yeah. And I know I bookmarked it for that reason. It's really, really sweet. So thank you to the whole DrunkShamota.com Discord for being, for really being great. And thanks to all the friends of DeSoto for really being great, because I think that a true friend at the Soto is here for the positive vibes and the fun and the goofarounds, you know?

Yeah, that's right. Thanks, J-Poop, and everyone else who participated in that. Ben, speaking of losing your way. Koyo boy, do we have an episode about that? Yeah. An episode that is inside this overall arc, I think we could describe as the summer of Chico-te! Chico-te boy summer.

Yeah. We are getting to know a lot about him in Star Trek Voyager, season 2 episode 11, Minuvers. Rebirth course. Unless you've got something a little bigger in your torpedo toots, I'm not turning around. So, uh, Chico de Boy Summers started with BLT kicking his ass in hoverball, apparently. I wonder if Star Trek learned its lesson by showing sports

in the early seasons of Deep Space Nine, specifically, in that they just wanted to talk about it and not show it. Yeah, I mean, Anbo Jitsu, not a super convincing martial art. Right, yeah, that's taken it back to the TMG days. And there's also like, phaser ball or whatever, that Picard and Riker would do and Picard and Guiker would do, and Picard and Gyne would play. Yeah, but a racquetball in DS9,

I guess darts looked okay. Racquetball looked a little bit crappy. Yeah. Parisi Square is always one that really like fascinates me because it's always referenced as being like incredibly dangerous. And I really wonder what in a post-scarcity society motivates a person to

subject themselves to the kind of danger that periscope squares is reputed to to wield Of course, there's real fencing. There's real fencing. We got some of that. I'm just like armor and shit and real fencing perisc's real fencing. We got some of that. I'm just like, armor and shit and real fencing. Preasy squares, you're just letting it all hang out. You saw the uniforms,

like when YAR and Wurf were like, I think is that the Binar's episode when they're headed to play Preasy squares? Yeah, that shit is no joke. Then is it your understanding that Chicoet and BLT changed after the hoverball game into these burlap sex or do burlap sex? Are those the official uniform of hoverball?

Yeah, I love that the BLT version of this includes a loose vest. Yeah, I don't think you're just going to be swimming in that. That's going to get, who knows how you play hoverball though. You might not even play that with your arms. Yeah. The rules and method of hoverball remain somewhat mysterious to us. We just have to take their word for it that that's what they were doing in the holodeck. Speaking of mysterious, they're talking to each other in a way that is very suggestive.

I had you right where I wanted you. We don't know that they're talking about hoverball as they have this conversation. It sounds like it could be full of ontandra here. I was ahead. Yeah, and given the recent visit they had from the alien that had everybody like believing they were talking to their various Tom's mervins, you know, and BLT fantasizing about getting down with Chicoete. BLT has seen Chicoete's hoverballs. Maybe Adam, this is just a thought.

Maybe it is on Tondra. Maybe hoverball is code for fucking. Yeah, I get it. Coffee does not mean coffee. Coffee means sex. This is the suggestion. Yeah, she invited me up to apartment for Hoverball and I said no, it'll keep me up if I have Hoverball this late. I'm ready to treat this and all subsequent References to Hoverball as sex going forward. We got to remember that. It's just like becoming a being of pure energy is code for orgasm. We know this to be what hoverball means.

Yeah. Yeah. Their hoverball game has been interrupted by a need on the bridge. So they get on the turbo lift and head straight there wearing these burlap sacks. The urgency is because the bridge crew has detected a beacon that uses a federation signal and that's weird. There is speculation that the federation has figured out a way to get a beacon out here,

but the revelation that it's a federation signal is a Chicoete eyes to commercial and I could not help but interpret Robert Beltrend's acting choice here as Chicoete thinking to himself, well, the jig is up, I'm going to be arrested. It's a subtext that is only apparent in this moment and no other moments in the episode. And I wish that was the subtext to the entire thing. Like, do they want to be contacted by the Federation? Does a large faction of the crew members want

this? Right. And a large faction stands to have pretty intense discipline. It should happen to them. There should be a, there should be a mirror universe episode of Voyager where they make it home in the Mayquise one. Right. I would love that. They're like, wow, this is not really how we thought this was going to play out, but it turns out Janeway and Tuvac are arrested and Chico Te and BLT are going like, I know that they were on the Federation side before this all happened, but like, they've really, like, we know that they were on the federation side before this all happened,

but like, they've really, like, we think that they shouldn't be rushed. How Hudson's alive. Yeah, he's the fucking common don to, uh, he's the emperor of mequicia. Yeah. So we've spent many minutes talking about a 50 second cold open, one of the quickest in memory. Yeah. Out of the break, the feeling on the bridge is how hopeful everyone is.

There's coffee and your optimism. Yeah, this is a very season one feeling of hope built up and then snatched away, right? Snatched away or slowly moving itself into a cloud, as it were, because as they come up upon this beacon or boi. Prepare a bully and launch it when ready. Warning boys. An emergency bully.

A warning bully. I don't even know what the difference is between beacons and bois anymore. I feel like they do the same thing. This guy has slowly drifted into a gaseous cloud. And it seems dangerous to chase in there after it, especially because it is revealed that Kazan Raiders are in there. Yeah, and it's a trap. The Kazan Raiders closing at 158, Mark 9.

The Kazans having gotten the jump on the Voyager have rendered it too damaged to warp away. They damaged the warp field, and then they like repeatedly phaser the shield in one spot and are like widening a hole in the in the shield. And we watch as a caeson shuttle plunges through that hole and and then a massive banger like a Kim Friedman level banger gets dropped on this ship. This banger could only be measured in Friedmans. Yeah, and Deck 4 is in bad shape. It turns into like a rating party, three k's on, hop out of this thing. It's like punched into a cargo bay that get one of them, but the other two

make it out into the hallway and Tuva catches up with them in the transportor room. Here's a poll, quote, Ben. I love penetrative star trek. Okay. Because, you like remember that episode of Deep Space 9, where the torpedo lodges into the hall and Quark is right next to it

and needs to defuse it. I love that stuff. Give me more ship on ship action. This is a rhyme that was bit by Star Trek Beyond as well. I like this rhyme. Bring back this couplet, you know. Sample this. I'm a Star Trek fan and my beats are sick. I love when a shuttle pen attrace the ship, etc. etc. This is a fairly breathlessly paced moment because as soon as they recognize that the ship has been boarded, two Vat grabs a dust buster club meets these intruders in the cargo bay and then we basically whip pan into the transporter room because this thing happening in the cargo bay is just a distraction for these other case on who are ripping parts out of the wall inside the cargo Bay hopping onto the pad and beaming off.

Oh, I thought it was the same two dudes that were in the cargo Bay that didn't get shot ran straight for the transporter room stole the transporter module and got away with it. I because how would they get on the ship otherwise there's only one shuttle. I've gone on record as being a case on racist. I can't tell them apart. But it strains credulity that that you could get from the cargo bay to the transporter room in the amount of time that we see here in this episode. This is a

total Star Trek convention Q&A question. In Star Trek Voyager season 2 episode 11 maneuvers, can you tell me how exactly the case on where you were able to get from the ship penetration scene to the transport room in the amount of time depicted on the episode? Listen, I've looked at the schematics of the ship in Transporter Room 2 is not on deck 4, but that's where the ship penetrated the hall. And then also, they transport away with the Transporter Module, presumably using the

Transporter's aboard the Voyager, because the case on at this point don't have Transporter Technology. But two Voc is asked by the captain to transport the module back and he says no sorry because they took the module the transporters no longer work So what's going on here? Get a life but at the same time two Voc runs from the from the cargo bay to the transporter room dustbuster out Right without having enough time to shoot them before they leave. So there must be an elliptical edit in there. Yeah. I think we solved it.

I don't have to like it though. Yeah, so they get on FaceTime and we get Maj Kulla, who we've met before, Kazon Nistrim extraordinaire. I didn't recognize him, though, again, Kazon racist. I eventually put it together. Yeah, as long as he's not an ogla, I just assume he is a generic Kazon.

Are you able to at this moment in time tell the difference between the K on sex based on appearance. Do they have different coloring in their pine cone hair or their uniforms in a way that telegraphs this to you because I'm not there yet. Oh, there's an implication at one point later that like that is something that we could be doing like seeing. Yeah, because Nelix cops that bracelet on the guy later, right? Yeah, but like, I mean, we did a war movie podcast

for like three years and I still can't really tell what ranks someone is in the army based on what their uniform looks like. So I'm a bad person to ask, you know. If it's not Pips, I don't get it. That wasn't the most difficult part of that show. So first, Magculla, it may be surprising enough to just see him on the screen, but he's got a flare for the dramatic. He steps

out of the way and reveals Seska, who is now fully embracing her cardassianness in this scene. She kind of reminded me of Gildu Kots daughter in this moment because she says she's like working her way back toward her Cardassian face, but like it's not all the way along. And she's about at the halfway point between the pejora and the Cardassian. SESCA has been given four rolls of quarters,

has been dropped off outside the video arcade, and the only game inside is the Chicoote ball-kicking machine. Because in this scene, she pumps quarter after quarter after quarter into this thing, and Chicoote is made to be kicked. Hello, Chicoote. Repeatedly, I should have known you were involved. Yes, you should have.

In front of everyone on the bridge. You've always been so predictable. And it is so embarrassing. Yeah. It is crushing to watch this happen. To a character I didn't give a shit about up until five episodes ago when he started making fun faces. And now I ride for Chico-Ting. I don't like seeing this at all.

I know. It seems like if you think about like Commander Riker, he would never be given the job of putting a tractor beam on someone. And if he did, it would work. Riker does not blow it with the tractor beam. And he just, he really gets his pants pulled down in this scene it's pretty brutal and i mean we've seen two-vac cut a calm line before during if i'm chakote i'm looking back at two-vac like what the fuck man really can Really? Can you, uh, can you please help me out for your boy a little bit? Yeah. Like he turned, he looks back at Tuva,

and Tuva holds up like a, like a sandwich bag full of quarters. Hahaha. I've got next game. I'm glad you're doing it. We cut from this scene of great embarrassment to the cargo bay where the bridge crew is a mix of pissed and impressed with what the K-Zone have done there. Yeah. They like modified a K-Zone ship to be a hole punch. It's got like a very pointy nose. And if you ever saw it, you would even say it could penetrate the outer hull of a Starfleet ship. Not to mention the inner hull.

This is like the first problem they have to deal with. They describe it as a knife in their belly, because before, until this ship is pulled out, they aren't going to be able to go to warp or even repair the warp drive. So this is job one. And this really feels like the Voyager crew are scrambling. Like, there was a certain resignation toward the end of the previous scene as the ball kicking

machine just relentlessly kicked over and over again into Chiquete's balls. And it's like, okay, we've caught our breath. And now it's the ship's balls being kicked. Yeah. It's a fun reminder that the ship is a sitting duck and also that there's a difference, right? It's almost like the difference between like magical damage and physical damage.

Right. Damaging a ship's shields are one thing, but to damage its actual structure, preventing it from going to warp, I don't feel like we see scenes like this very much in Star Trek. Yeah, it feels unique and scary. And giving voice to that is actually Nelix going like, hey, I know I'm just a guy, but maybe we shouldn't like chase the guys that just did this to us, like they completely fucked our ship up and maybe we should just take the L and continue on our 75 year

voyage back to the A-quad. And the captain is like, listen to me, you little piece of shit. That's our transporter. Can you imagine how fucked up this quadrant is going to be if we leave one piece of technology like that? How exactly does that help the morale of the situation, Neelix? What the fuck? And what are you even doing here? Shouldn't you be in the mess hall making dinner? Yeah. Are you cured to learn about a new technique for punching holes in things? We need this scene though because we need it articulated in this sense that it's

a balance of power problem that needs solving. And so even though the ship is crippled, doesn't have the upper hand in any way, they've got to chase down this traceable warp field that sesca's fleeing ship is left. And Shikoti already is like, a little paranoid about this. He's got some game recognized game with sesca, you know, the ball kicking on the bridge, notwithstanding. He believes this is a trick. Yeah. I mean, this was already a trick and the, uh, the easy to follow warp signature that was left behind just seems like another element of it. So he is suggesting like, hey, let's, let's kind of try and think

outside the box and think about the fact that she's one step ahead of us right now. We've got to think about like how to make ourselves unpredictable by her. Chico Te looks at two vach and is like, you know, it would have been unpredictable. Is you killing the com link when sesca was kicking me in the balls a couple of minutes ago, man? Yeah. You are killing me right now. But two valk in his own right is like look man, you know, phasers and photon torpedoes aren't our only weapons here like emotional warfare can go both ways.

So maybe instead of you being the recipient of the ball kicks, maybe you can start doling them out by taking some control over your own emotional ammunition. And see if you can't, if we were to confront Sasuke again, shoot some of those shots. Not everyone, Mr. Chico-te keeps their balls in the same place. Have you ever considered that? Over on the case on ship, we get a color's perspective on the thing. Yeah, this is a very, we kill the Batman scene with a color kind of pitching to Heron, who is the mage of another case on group, like, hey, we got this transporter. And this

is just the beginning. Like, we could start to really take control over this quadrant if we started stealing all of the cool technology on that ship. And that ship is head right for us. Do you think Kulla has to be dumb in relation to CESCA for this story to work? Like, do you think it's impossible for bothoseska and Kulla to be smart? Because it feels like they set Kulla up to be the dumb being manipulated by Seska. Yeah.

Throughout. I mean, he is, he's an interesting character because he doesn't seem like a thousand percent dumb. He's not Pac-led dumb. He's just not, he doesn't have a guile in a way that you would expect the head of a big group like this to have. He's so orthodox, K is on though, that he can't help but be blinded by that. It makes him do dumb things. It makes him easily manipulated by someone like Zeska. Yeah, like Zeska, you have to assume is like a city and order and really trained in the

ways of subterfuge. So. And Zeska already has a number of reps, you know, usurping the orthodoxy both as a make quiz and also in her getaway from the Voyager, right? Like she's got two W's in that column in this sort of warfare. Right. So, so she has some expertise to lean on. Back on the Voyager, they're working out a way to find the transporter coil.

They've got to come up with a sort of corpse compass or something to figure out where it is specifically when they get their corpse compass or equivalent. Is what? The rental car company would call it? What do they call this thing like a coil oscillator or something like that? We modify this coil scanner to detect the oscillator. It looks like a fucking prop that they pulled out of the TOS prop closet. It's like a flashlight with a red dome glue to I thought it looked pretty good and you got to act like it's got some heft. So when BLT wings this thing around in the scene with Chico Te, like it looks like she's holding something substantial.

Yeah. And I definitely noticed when she was manipulating a cylindrical object while in close quarters with Chico Te, I know what that means. Well, it's like they're going to go play some hoverball. Yeah. BLT is basically like, you okay, Chico-te? And Chico-te has to admit, he is not. He has not recovered from the ball kicking. Yeah. This was really, I mean, like talk about your all-time bad breakups. He confesses that he and Ancestka got it on.

They were more than just co-workers. It seems a little rare and star trek to be this direct with the description. And I found that refreshing. I did too. I think the LT and Chico Te have a really interesting relationship about these kinds of things. Like he even kind of dunks on her about like,

like she's giving him some advice and he says something about like, oh, so now I'm gonna learn about how to control my emotions from the most volatile person on the ship. You can't even control your eyebrows, BLT. And I feel like that is a remark that coming out of any other character's mouth would get their head chopped off, BLT. And I feel like that is a remark that coming out of any other character's mouth would get their head chopped off, you know.

Right. Like the batless would be out. And that's a sign of how close they really are, I think. SESCA and BLT, Lest we forget, were best friends. Besties. And her advice to Chicoote at the end of this scene is like, lock it down, dude, because a sloppy Chicoete could be a dead Chicoete if you don't watch out. Yeah, so the K-Zone Ralora Maj has another meeting with Kulla and

basically big dogs the hell out of him is basically saying like I have the ships. I have the dudes Why don't you give me the transporter module and crawl back into the hole you crawled out of him is basically saying like, I have the ships, I have the dudes. Why don't you give me the transporter module and crawl back into the hole you crawled out of? And Culla does not blink. He takes great umbrage with this. You think I'm a fool? This situation gets more and more tense until Cardassia and Cesca suggest they maybe like

take a couple hours and cool off before they continue their negotiation. Come on guys, nobody wants this. We're supposed to be fucking professionals. He's like, hey, Rulora guy, why don't you go back to your ship with your little adjutant buddy? And we'll talk this over when everybody's a little bit calmer. Coffee, black, make it yourself. I'm kind of help you see this is an opportunity to grow. Make it yourself. This is a fun version of cutting to the exterior because we go from this case on standoff to the voyager

just cruising through space following this warp signature. When they come across floating debris that is in fact the two K's on that we met in the scene previous. I loved, uh, I loved detective Nielix in this scene. He, he's the one that kind of figures out these dudes didn't fall out of their shift. They were beamed into space. And this was no, this was no accident. This was an execution. He says, there, M.O. Is that they're good? As soon as the Mars was dead, they didn't hesitate. They beam the other guy into space. Cause at that point, what's the difference? M.O. Is that they're good? Yeah. So there's a McLaughlin

group after this issue one. They're getting ready to get started. But where the hell is Chicoate? He's never late. And it cuts to him in a bunk bed. Chicoate is Jake the Shuttle and he's got the coil scanner device on board. Yeah. And upon learning this, Captain Janeway is as pissed as as John Luke Picard when a Jake Curlin steals a shuttle, right? Not a good moment for the captain.

Unfortunately, she does not get to talk him through the procedure for not crashing into a planet because he's been gone for a long time. Three hours. And there's a three hour. They seen where two Valken, Janeway are marching through the hallway. And Janeway is this close to reading two Valkyrie Act. You can really tell that two Vak is in a lot of trouble.

I assure you, Captain, people not happen again. Oh, it's a blast! You really let this one slip and looks really bad. Like the security procedures don't look good at this point. And Janeway walks out of the scene telling Tuvak that what he needs to do is completely revamp Voyager security procedures by 10 p.m. that night. And they've made it to engineering at this point.

And BLT is standing there with TuVac as Janeway storms out. And she like can't even make icons with him. It's so brutal. All TuVac has to do is put bike chains on all the shuttles. And it's done. This doesn't seem like a particularly difficult problem to solve, but still should have been done before this. The Jake Curlin incident should have reverberated across Starfleet. Yeah. Do you think that they kept the Jake Curlin incident quiet because it would have been so damaging to Jake's, like, like Jake had the whole rest of his life ahead of him

And if he if it if it comes out that he's a shuttle thief It was a definite scandal. Yeah, you got to believe that so Captain Janeway at the end of the scene is pissed enough to decide to Chase down the three-hour head start Chico Tay at maximum impulse. I guess we got to do bunk beds, not go to warp. I think you got to take a faster shuttle Chico Tay if that's the thing. We get another scene of palace intrigue with Sesca and Culla. This is the scene where it becomes clear that Sesca is overstepping her authority to Culla's way of thinking.

She is a... Also, I mean, is it that or is it like the retro-grade gender role viewpoint that Culla has? Yeah, well, he is the mosh, so it's supposed to be him making the calls. And like she did, she anticipated the call was, let's call these other two sects and get them involved. Yeah. But she doesn't like that she went over his pine cone. Yeah, color only softens when he realizes that her plan was successful and that her secret messages have been responded to and the opportunity to

become more powerful is apparent. With this much power accruing to him, he can't stay mad. Right. In the Voyager Ready Room, BLT enters to chat up Janeway, sort of assuming that Chicoete is going to survive this rogue mission he's on, which I thought was a little bit of a leap. BLT is like, look, when he gets back, he just gotta give him a break. Why don't we deal with getting him back in one piece first?

You saw how many times his balls were kicked on the bridge. Like, he's clearly outside of his head right now. He got a, she's campaigning for leniency when it comes to discipline. And Janeway at this point has got to be hanging by a thread mentally because Chico Tay has Jake the shuttle. Tufac has shot the bed on security aboard the ship. Who is her new exo going to be with those two names crossed out? You might argue that it's BLT, but by BLT's campaigning for leniency against

Chicoete, I'm not sure it should be her either. Who's next in line? It's hard to say. I mean, this kind of, it melts Janeway's heart eventually. And I think that Roxanne Dawson's performance in the scene is really great because it's a weird scene. Like, she comes in there to carry water for Chico Te when the captain is peak pissed off about the whole situation. She did not pick the moment well and and her nerves about the situation are really present in the scene in a way that I thought was really great. It is just so downplayed, the life-threatening situation that Chico Tei's in at this point.

I found that the tone of it, the episode just wants you to concentrate on the jangly keys of discipline and ignore that he could die. Right. Until much later in the up when this made clear. I mean, I don't think that they are thinking of it as a suicide mission yet.

I wonder what it would have felt like if we'd gotten his suicide note now. Now. I agree. That would have been an interesting placement for that boi with the message in it. The message in a boi, as it were. What we do get is a really nifty scene of Chicoete like activating the caterpillar drive in a shuttle and like going in low power mode

to try to pick up this stolen piece of tech aboard the K-Zon ship. I loved also after the last scene with Khalid and Zeska, like whenever we cut to the control room on the case on ship, Zeska is clearly running the show. And it's like Khalid doesn't notice that he's taking orders from her at this point. That's the soft power of the Zeska, isn't it?

It's really amazing. It's really well done. And it's very fun that they figured out how to get those scenes in such close proximity to each other. But her success in freelancing is what begets the longer leash, right? Because at every point, she's going off on her own making decisions that end up being successful, which is why in this moment she's able to jump in front of Kala, scan for the shuttle, she suspects is there. And then once she picks it up,

like she is permitted to remain in a command role as it relates to what's going on here. Yeah, so it seems like Chicozai did not think this was guaranteed to be a suicide mission, which is probably why the Boa wasn't left a lot earlier. The tone of things between Chico-te and Sasca that begins here and and continues throughout the rest of the episode is very cat versus other cat. Like her basement is totally flooded by the idea of Chico Te doing this and doing this the way that he's done it. There's a respectful awareness here that she's got for him. And so he fires the boi when he realizes that the plan has to go a certain way for him

to get out of here, Scott free. And he was hoping to show up with his shuttle, beam the transporter module onto the shuttle and slip away before they noticed him, but they noticed him. So instead he has to beam aboard the case on ship. They pull the shuttle into their bay. And I guess he's like, one question I had was like,

wouldn't the shuttle have all of the things that they would need to build a transporter on it? But it's explained later that he's like bricked the shuttle after beaming off of it. So So they like board the shuttle, they find nobody there and Chico take like bursts into the bridge. Find him. I'm right here. And shoots the transporter module. He does not put the phaser on wide setting and shoot everyone. He shoots specifically the transporter module. He is on a suicide mission to prevent transporter technology from falling into the hands of the case on.

So heroic. Really is. And it looks like he's running full speed and not star trek speed through the scene. And I like that. I like it too. But, uh, but, you know, he winds up eating sesca's clutches. He does that thing that you see in, uh, cop movies, like he kind of flips the phaser around and gives it to sesca at the end of the scene. Right. Gives himself over. Gives himself over. And this is when the Voyager encounters his suicide message saying basically like I went and destroyed the thing. If you are receiving this, you can rest assured that the transport of technology is not in

their hands. I'm sorry I had to do it this way, but this was my fuck up and I felt like I had to do it. Anyways, I'm probably dead now. You all just stood by and watched my balls getting kicked on the bridge. There's no way I can come back to work after that. There's just no way. Yeah, I can't like issue orders to department heads. No.

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[♪ OUTRO MUSIC PLAYING [♪ On the K-Zon ship, it looks like Chico-t-days, doing a pretty good job of making it a suicide mission by getting himself roughed up by Culler, who's choosing to dole out the interrogation pressure with his fists. Yeah, Chicoete refused the enemy's blood cocktail that was offered to him by Sascha

and it's now getting the command codes of Voyager beaten out of him. This scene plays out a very stage play like. There's a lot of unbroken sequences where Martha Hackett walks back and forth between Marx. There's a lot of chewy dialogue here between the two of them. Yeah. This is probably the centerpiece scene of the episode between these two actors. Yeah, and you know at a certain point they start like introducing sodium pentathol This is probably the centerpiece scene of the episode between these two actors. Yeah, and at a certain point they start introducing sodium pentathol. It's not exactly fine conyach, but I've developed a taste for it. And Chico Day looks really fucked up.

They give him four lights treatment with the makeup and the blood. And as bad as it is in this scene between Seska and Chicoete, she like leaves with one final warning about like if you think this is bad. You may not give me the command coat, but when color gets through with you, you'll wish you had. Also when clear is whether or not the Voyager crew are going to go through with the rescue of Chicoete. Like are they gonna going to go through with the rescue of Chicoote? Like, are they gonna take his message for action or not? Yeah. The calculation winds up being one of Morale. Yeah. The idea that they can't let the first officer just be lost to the clutches of these space assholes. I wish they made it more about the shuttle. Look, I respect Chico Tei's wishes. I really do. But this would be the second or third shuttle we've lost in a fairly rapid

amount of time. And there is a substantial dollar value attached to it. They actually could have made it that right? Because they don't know that the shuttle is bricked. You know? They don't. They could be like, fuck, he took another transporter module over there. That shuttle has one. BLT is super persuasive here

about jumping in front of Nielix and making her argument one for morale. She's like, you can't let the first officer die out there. It would be worse for us than Nielix is cooking. Nielix is like, yeah, I mean, what? The death of a ship's first officer would be peccant. And it appears as though this has persuaded Captain Janeway. They set a course for Chico Tay Shuttle. So Cull has got the command codes and is now meeting with all of the heads of these Ksons sects.

And we get a full blown second, we kill the Batman scene. Gentlemen, I have gathered here, you here for a second one of these scenes. Ha ha ha ha ha. We understand from Nelix how unusual it is for all of the K-ZON sex to be brought together. Usually when the K-ZON gather for a sex meeting, it's more discreet. It's impossible the NISTRUM have sex.

I've never known the K-ZON to do sexing like that before. Yeah. But now their sex are out in the open for everyone to see, and this suggests a new kind of sex behavior that not even Nelix, who has multiple tax documents, folders on his computer, full of case-on sex materials, has seen before.

It would be tactically unwise to engage them. Then we'll just have to find a way of getting Chico Deo out of there without sex. So, Cullis using his possession of a beat-to of getting Chico De out of there without sex. So, Kala is using his possession of a beat to shit Chico De as kind of a visual aid in this meeting like, hey, so I've got this guy. I've got the command codes. I no longer have the transporter module. That happens to have been broken in an unfortunate vaporization accident, but we're going to have been broken in an unfortunate vaporization accident. But we're gonna have the whole damn ship. We're gonna have so much power after this whole thing goes down that you guys are gonna,

you guys are really gonna be loving me. Beat to shit, injected with drugs, chico-te, with nothing to lose, is my favorite chico-te. He fucking rules. Yeah. He's rules. Yeah. He's threatening from a position of weakness. He's so free. He says, I'm not really here. And then he disappears and we're like, what?

What the hell just happened? I'm totally by on the Chitank market here. I buy in shares in Chico Tay big time. Chico Tay, Chico Tay, Tonk market. Yeah. Is that a thing? You're going long on game Chico Tay.

I am, and I'm not selling. I bought his character for pennies. Yeah. So this presents a problem though to the Voyager, which is that they are showing up to a much bigger group of K's on ships than they anticipated. Yeah. And this is a big firefight.

Yeah, I mean, even when it was one-on-one, it seemed like the Voyager was kind of fucked up. And for whatever reason, Kullis' ship's ability to damage the Voyager has been remedied. So I had that as a thing that was sticking in my crawl with the scene and also that BLT is like trying to, like the goal here is we're gonna like warp right through these ships, we're gonna beam Chicoetay out and they scrapped that almost immediately and they slowed it in pulse and then BLT is like

trying to beam Chicoet Tay out and she gets a lock and like we're seeing shots of voyage are get hit with phaser fire and we know the shields are up and I'm like, yeah. Where did the rules about not beaming through shields go? I'm assuming both ships are shields up. They get like 98% solid chico-tay back, and I'm thinking like, that's enough, right? That's good enough. That's plenty of chico-tay for anyone.

If you hit the gas, like I wonder if there's a limitation to the total amount of pattern needed to complete the beam. Yeah. Because the beam sort of reverses an tantanitalizing way. He looks almost totally solid when they got him, but they lose him again. Yeah. So, SESCO winds up heading back to the bridge of the ship and leaves color and all the other mages down in their

mage meeting room. Yeah, it seems like there's some hard feelings after all the sex got together. We're losing patience, Kala. Some kinds of sex, you wanna do, you wanna practice aftercare? And I mean, there's a lot of sex that are represented in this room. So it might be a good idea for them to just like work with each other and, you know,

try to get to the bottom of some of their differences. They don't get the privacy necessary for that sort of healing because that's when two Valk beams the entire group of them over to Voyager. Yeah. They couldn't get a lock on, on Chico tape, but they get a lock on everyone else. They sure do. The command code's gambit does not work. And instead, all modges everywhere,

wind up on the transporter pad on the Voyager. And they make a deal. You guys can go, if you give us our guy back, give us our shuttle, then throw in Chico Te while you're at it. Yeah. So that's, that's the exchange rate. One shuttle and one officer for five mages. Really devaluing the mag market there with this deal. But they take it. This isn't an equivalent ball kicking though for color as it was for Chicoote, right? Because we never cut back to color after being beamed away,

but you know he is eating a lot of shit. Yeah. Can't imagine he stays mosh for much longer after this. Now, so the button on the episode is Janeway has to choose a punishment for Chicote, so she puts a belt, a stick, and a ball-kicking machine on the table, and makes Chicote choose one. It's an interesting scene. He's clearly got regards here, and is basically saying like, I made a mistake.

I didn't like being in somebody else's ball-kicking machine, so I built my own even bigger ball-kicking machine and put myself in it. And then Seska gets on the FaceTime and is like, you ain't seen nothing yet ball-kicking-wise. He really has a glorified idea of the size of ball-kicking machine necessary to kick himself in the balls. They are whispering in this scene, Ben, Ticote and Captain Janeway. And this is something that suggests a romance here. What is this? There's an intensity to the tension in this scene that is hard to separate from sexual tension. Yeah. And the punishment is he's put on report, whatever that means. Yeah. Doesn't sound bad at all.

There's going to be no break time for Jigote. Yeah. He says, just remind me, how far are we get from the federation again? Pretty far? Okay. I'm cool with that. You think they ever put anyone on report when you're a make-weease? I doubt it.

Well, the the FaceTime with Z sesca is about her dropping a final stop on his groin. While you are conscious I took the liberty of extracting a sample of your DNA. You're going to be a father. Well, it's actually kind of a milking that she's revealed to have done. She took his DNA from him. She knocked herself up with Chicoote DNA

One of the wildest villain moves of all time. You're in my uterus This is a great moment. Yeah, this is a great moment because Chicoote returns to the scene of his ball kicking crime And there is sesca again with another roll of quarters. What the fuck man? I'd never go to the bridge again if I were to go down. Definitely does not seem like this is going to be the last we hear of sesca. I like how they're setting her up as a as a going concern. She's really becoming the do-cott-a-voyager. That's for later, though, Ben. Did you like this episode? You know, I made it easy to get along with most of the time. But I don't like bullets, I don't like threats, and I don't like you.

I love this too. I did. I mean, I think that there is a couple of big star-trek rules that seem to get broken in that, in that final battle scene. Yeah. And you got to figure out a way to write around that. Like in the way that they figured out that he bricked the shuttle so that the warp module wouldn't be used, or the, so that the transporter module wouldn't be useful to the case on, even if they took the shuttle apart.

You got to figure out a way that they are doing the transporting despite the shields. And I think that maybe like if you're writing a Star Trek episode, you get a budget of one thing that breaks the rules and the transport at warp was already kind of that. Yeah. So maybe they thought like, oh, because they don't do the transport at warp, we can get away with it.

But I don't want to be fixated on that though, right? Because the story is fucking great. And it's an exciting and fascinating episode. And it makes that like dangerous power hunger of the case on feel like an even bigger problem. Yeah. And it makes them feel like a threat that we cannot discount. Do you understand what motivates them?

Because I wish I had a greater sense of how desperate they were at. It seems like they want this tech to exert a greater pressure on the other sects. Right. But when we first met the case on it, it felt like they were desperate for resources to survive. And that to me seems like so much stronger of a force to apply to their reasoning. Yeah, I think the like some of them are rich in one thing and poor in another. And that they are all mismatched in that way and like constantly trading or killing each other for the thing that they need.

So it does sort of feel like they've been reduced to just being like we want guns and power guys. Not we need water guys. I guess it would be harder to hate them if they were just we need water guys though. Yeah, it feels some empathy for them if that were the case. Ben, I mean, much like how you were saying you were distracted by the jangly keys of the breaking of the rules that I was distracted by that too, but there was a larger set of

jangly keys that distracted me at the very end, which was the weak ass punishment that Chico Teigat, I don't know what else Janeway could have done here. She's really stuck. I also don't really feel like it's resolved because it's like they're having the conversation and they get interrupted by the SESC at face time. So I feel like the hope I have is that that's something that carries forward and is an issue

for the rest of the season or for the next several episodes or whatever. One of the factors that stopped shuttles from being stolen off of the Big D was that there's only one Jake Curlin. But on the Voyager, there are many Mayquays. And so I don't understand how this scandal doesn't embolden more bad behavior. Like Chicoce put himself above the ship and he didn't work together to solve the problem that they had.

And when you make the crew pick up your slack in this way, there have got to be consequences. And I think it's a failure of creative thinking to devise a consequence that works in this scene. I understand why this was the decision, but with a little more time, I think it could have been more interesting. And I think it's a little bit of a cop out that Chico take gets a sub-slap on the wrist. Well, it doesn't really get anything like it's just they don't even get to that part. His balls are still really rocked, I'm a sub-slap on the wrist. Well, it doesn't really get anything. Like, it's just, they don't even get to that part. His balls are still really rocked, I bet, though. So, like, balls wise, he's not in great shape.

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And in doing so, can support the ongoing production of our show. Thank you. Hey Adam, what's that been? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? Incredible. Drunk Shimoda! God, it's so hard to choose between Chicote and Sesca. But I think Sesca has got to be my drunk Shimoda just because she is ostensibly a prisoner

on board that case on ship. I don't really understand her relationship with Kulla. I mean, why does he need her? I guess she's got great ideas about getting more tech. Yeah. She knows how to fake a federation transponder signal. She seems like a great big problem for him, but she does not act like she's in danger in any way.

Yeah. Because she has all the leverage, and I just love a character with nothing to lose, making choices that are very self-aware about that. So hard to choose against SESCA for me, she's gonna be my drunk Shemota. I think I'm gonna make a a chico today for mine, just for that, that look of concern when he hears that they may,

they may be communicating with the Federation at the beginning. He really looks worried for a second there. Yeah. Yeah. Great face season for Robert Beltrane. Yeah, he's really putting in the face work. Yeah, we love to see it. Objection noted, we'll do this without you. We'll do it. We'll do it. We'll add.

We also love to see new episodes of Star Trek Voyager, and we love to see the game of Buttholes, the will of the caretaker, determine how we will be reviewing those. Adam, our next episode, a season two episode 12, Razy Stons. Oh, geez. Janeway must escape from a city under siege by the Makra, a brutal regime determined to crush the growing resistance moving against it. Wow. Janeway joined Antifa. Sounds against it. Wow.

Janeway joined Antifa. Sounds like fun. Yeah. It feels like it's been a while since she's gotten her hands dirty. Yeah. You know what else is fun, Adam, is playing a board game. Do you want to head over to Gach. That biz slash game and roll a bone?

You're required to learn as you play. Roll. Ben, I'm over at the game of Buttholes, the will of the caretaker, where our runabout is squatting on square 11. We are on the doorstep of a cocoa-no-no teaky-themed drunk-a-so-dap. That's the only thing in range of us at the moment.

So I'm gonna go ahead and roll this bone. Roll it. Then I've rolled a five. Shula! Did I win? Harvey. Which puts us on square 16. It'll be a regular old episode for us.

Still a few other Cocoa Nono squares on the board for us to hit eventually, but next episode will not be the time. Okay, well, I'm disappointed, but... I mean, nothing's stopping us. We could just have a teaky drink anyway. I mean, I had a teaky drink while we recorded this episode, so... We do have fresh bottles of pineapple gum syrup. That's true. Um, wow. Well, that will be the next episode. I'm really looking forward to it. I want to say thank you to everyone who listens to the show, supports the show,

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