The Greatest Generation - Miracle Measuring Contest (DS9 S7E9)

Episode Date: October 12, 2020

When Colonel Kira is spirited away to Empok Nor, she finds Gul Dukat has become the leader of a Pah Wraith-worshiping religious cult. But when the birth of a child there reveals suspicious parentage, his followers will have to decide if it’s a miracle, or one spoon that hasn’t fallen far from the tray. Who is advising the parents these days? What’s the best position for prayer? Where’s the worst place on the station for a meeting? It’s the episode where we make some future plans!Support the production of The Greatest Generation.Friends of DeSoto for Democracy.Friends of DeSoto for Justice.Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Prophets!Music by Adam Ragusea & Dark MateriaFollow The Greatest Generation on Twitter, and discuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen!Facebook group | Subreddit | Discord| WikiSign up for our mailing list!

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A Star Trek Podcast, I'm Adam Pryanaka. I'm Ben Harrison. Did you see that our appeal to the Friends of Desotto to put pressure on Adam Ragusia to begin work on the music for a next edition of Greatest Gen? Yeah. Has happened. I felt really bad when I started to happen. I felt exactly the same.

Adam Ragusia, such a bench. Yeah. It's such a great part of our show and the fabric of the show and like, very generous in a number of ways. He saw the fun in it, I think. But, God, I hope so. I really hope so, man. Well, what he put out on Twitter was, yes, it's a yes. The issue is I don't

have time to dig through 175 episodes of a show and find the drops that need to be collected. So it's a crowdsourcing opportunity. If you out there know about a thing someone says on Voyager that is funny or ridiculous and could be pickhard songified by Adam Ragusia, you're encouraged to tweet timecode at him for this project. I think another thing that greets the skits is that Sarus Farovar made like a donation in Adam Ragusia's name to a food bank, which I think is another cool way to. That is some real passive aggression right there. Holy shit, that's fucked up.

I respected the game, but man, you can't say no to a food bank donation. No, no. Who's the asshole now? It is possible to me that they talked about that ahead of time. Like if you're willing to donate in my name to something, I'll give it some consideration, but maybe Saroose just shot first and then turned to Ragusia and was like, well, I made the donation. Now what are you going to do?

Yeah, it seems like blackmail or something. Yeah, it also, you know, we should all be donating to food banks, whether or not we're using it to blackmail people. That's a good policy. Yeah. I mean, I guess, I guess we're obligated now. I wasn't prepared to make any kind of announcement.

I don't think we made an announcement on the episode we were talking about blackmailing the goose. No. But I guess if the goose is involved, we're obligated, aren't we? We're obligated to happening. I'm looking forward to it. I'm a big voyager stan.

I've seen maybe an episode of Voyager. Wow. I've seen so little of it, it's nuts. Well, there's a long and rich tradition of Star Trek podcasts that are like one of the hosts that I've seen every episode. And the other host is a total noob. I don't want to do a show like that.

There's a million shows like that out there. It's not going to be a million shows, Adam. It's going to be our show. And what's going on here seems pretty pervy, doesn't it? Yeah, that's true. We do a pretty good Star Trek show. We don't have that, but we do have this. Yeah, so what are we going to do?

We're going to take our customary break. We're going to do our award show. How do we want to play this? Yeah, so we will get to the end of Deep Space Nine, and then we will do the 90s, the award show where we come up with a bunch of invented award categories and give out awards, our Mount Armies, our Mount Nuckmore episodes. We talk about the Drunkest Shemode, all of these things. Another thing to look forward to with Voyager Adam, I don't know if you've been

following along with this in the Drunk Shemota at gmail.com inbox, but I've been in communication with Felipe and Craig, the illustrator and coder, respectively, of the game of buttholes, the will of the prophets. They're so great. We're getting a couple of new squares put on there. Did you ask for more fucking ladders in that game? I did. That's actually a game mechanic that we're talking about adding is not all shoots, some ladders. Because right now it's, it's oops all shoots. Wow, I'm looking forward to unveiling that. Yeah. That'll be a lot of fun.

I agree. We're so lucky to have such talented people involved in our show. The friends of the Soto rule. Because if him were just us, it'd be a real season one greatest generation situation where it's just a sucking ass for 27 episodes and do we get our shit together? Yeah. We are going to watch every single episode of Star Trek the Next Generation in chronological order. I think we differ quite a bit in terms of our hope

for this show's popularity. I personally hope that no one listens. Yeah, that's a. And this is the vanity press of podcasts. Yeah. Several of the first five episodes I recorded on an iPad with software that looked like it was pro, but the sound was not pro. We should go back into George Lucas remastered episodes. Let's go back. Oh, and Mabuki. I want to step on some job details. Go back and re-record every line of dialogue.

Yeah, and delete some things that we regret. Yeah, what an opportunity that would be. Yeah, put digitally replaced some of the guns with radios. That's how you do it. My whole life I was told there's gonna be three prequel films and trilogy after the original trilogy also. And then we got the three prequel films and I was young enough to like them when they came out.

Concentrate on the moment. Feel, don't think. And then I, you know, went and saw, doodifully saw all of the new trilogy. And then I did my rewatch recently because I was like, I've never actually watched like the whole thing in order, including Solo and Rogue One, and watching those prequels

and the like remastered original series is fucking crazy. One thing I found out, you know, in the pod race, when Subulba's pod crashes, I think about it all the time. His swear is Pudu, which we know means fodder. He swears by saying fodder. Wow. Yeah. I mean, that's the kind of stuff that you can only get from

from a deep deep rewatch. Yeah. Jabba the Hut told his enemies he would turn them into bans of fodder. And fodder is a swear? It's just food. Give me a fucking break, Sibolba. Come up with some more creative swears, especially if it's going to be in a different language. Why not make it ultra vulgar, you know? The kids in the audience aren't going to care.

Ultra vulgar. That's what I like. Yeah. Call me crazy. Call me a pervert. That's what this show is. And that's why we're Star Trek fans, Adam. When we put our show up for scheduled release, like we'll go into the thing, we'll upload our episode,

we'll schedule it. We get the option. Is it clean? Is it explicit? Is it ultra vulgar? You better believe we're clicking ultra vulgar every time. Yeah, it comes out with the record industry, standard sticker, parental advisory, ultra vulgar lyrics. Our parental advisory stickers still a thing. If you buy physical CDs or records,

I have continued to buy vinyl records, but I don't remember seeing that little stamp on anything that I've bought. I haven't seen that either. It's been a long time since I've had a new inbox CD in my hand. No parents are being advised anymore. No. I mean, that was a lot of like, tipper-gore Laura Bush bullshit back in the day. Sure was. Anyways. Boy am I glad we avoided that.

Hahaha. Yeah, boy oh boy do we have a lot to talk about in this episode. Man, I'm gonna try not to get us canceled as we discuss season 7 of Deep Space 9. It's episode 9. It's our last episode 9 about Deep Space 9. It's Episode 9. It's our last episode 9 about Deep Space 9. It's Covenant. Do you realize how incredible this is? No, of course you've done.

So we start with a scene in the bar. A let's establish that Quarkin Esri are part of the show before we turn away from most of our main characters for most of the episode. Odo is, I guess they're having like a Sunday morning drink. I guess they don't know that the Bajorans meet for their worship services on Sunday mornings. That's a very Christianity-centric way

of assessing what's going on here. If you can only hear yourselves. I do really love the division of people. Like, some people watch the football on Sunday morning and others get up to go to church, and I like how Kira is not the type to try to coerce her friends to go to church with her if what they really want to do is have the brunch. Good for Kira. Yeah.

There is a lot of respect in the relationship between Kira and Odo. There's a, you know, Odo respects Kira's beliefs and Kira respects Odo's lack of belief in a way that I think is like remarkably healthy given what a rocky start their relationship has had. Maybe the healthiest part is that, God, I feel like so many people fall into this trap where you can't say something positive about a thing without being invited to do the thing that you said something positive about. Otos, you know, I really think it's cool. And I wish I could feel the way she does,

but it's too bad that I don't. And Kira doesn't pivot that into, oh, well, I should just bring you to church until you finally get it. Like, we're gonna beat this religion into you. It's gonna be awesome. She lets it go. That really is so sweet.

Vetic Follas offering some conversion classes that you could easily sign up for. No, that's not where she heads with it. It's, you know, Star Trek has traditionally kind of distanced itself from digging into issues of religion, previous to Deep Space Nine. Religion has always been treated as kind of a regrettable element of humanity's past, but this is a show that deals with a lot of aliens that aren't human. So I think that gives them an opportunity to both talk about things like this without breaking

canon. To the extent that I almost feel like there are opportunities to go further that I don't believe that they take for fear of alienating a viewership or going out on too much of a limb. I think an example of this is Odo expressing a regret about not having faith in a higher power. And there's something about that that is so interesting to me because Odo is a God. Right. He's too busy being a God to believe in other gods. And like there's a real Dr. Manhattan kind of pathos to him that he could have if only

the writers would encourage it. Like that's never the pathos that he's dealing with. He's trying to cement himself into the class that he lives with. He's not trying to have any aspirations towards becoming better than the life that he lives with, he's not trying to have any aspirations towards becoming better than the life that he's had and the friends that he's had up until now. I think that there's a distinction there though, because while the founders are considered gods

by the various client races of the dominion, they are not snap your fingers and change something about reality gods. They are more like God kings in a way. What rises to the threshold of God? Here's a question. What are the superpowers that qualify as God versus just? Is it immortality?

Is that where it begins and ends? The wormhole alien slash prophets are the kind of God where it's sufficiently advanced technology indistinguishable from. And I think that that's the tension that runs throughout deep space 9. Like, is Starfleet going to acknowledge their Godhood or are they going to always continue to talk about them as a hyper-advanced alien intelligence that we just don't understand. And you know, probably won't for a long time because our technology is too primitive by comparison. And Deep Space Nine is well written enough that I think that they get it both ways. Like it's kind of column A for some characters, column B for others, and for Cisco a little bit of both.

Yeah, boy. The worship is pervasive on DS9, isn't it? Sure is. It's complicated subject, Oda. Anyways, after this hang, Kira is in her quarters and gets a visit from a vetik, she knows from way back in the day, from back in the labor camps that she grew up in. This is Vedic Fala. I'm going to refer to him as this Vedic Fala. This Vedic Fala over here. Boy, we've been talking a little bit about how Kira's nose ridges seem somewhat diminished in late deep space nine

I feel like all of the leftover loaf went on to this guy's nose. Yeah, he got two scoops His ridges are fucking out of control man Nothing how many people besides your parents have known you for your whole life? Because this Vedic Fala has known Kira since she was tiny and it is such a power imbalance in an interesting way to be dropped in on by this Vedic Fala. Who knows your whole deal? Right. He's got a sort of fatherly relationship with her in the way that a clergy member sometimes can with a member of the faithful.

And he uses that trust for a fucked up reason. That's what makes you different from all the other vets I know. Yeah, especially because she accepts it as a gift. And it is not because the stone wrapped in a cloth ends up transporting her far away, and we go with her to Empoknor. We know right where we are before Kiritz, because we see the exterior establishing shot, and it's the station but tilty. This is an impact nor that has been taken over by the branch paratians

who are no longer just a cult of bejurans. They are now led by none other than Galducat. I'm sure you have many questions, Norris. Galducat has made a par rath mega churchpoch, nor.

It does not fit in with the rest of the quadrants design aesthetic. Yeah, there were a lot of complaints from neighbors when they put in the building permits. But because of, you know, probably some Greece palms at City Hall, he was able to ram these plans through and actually get it built. Just a massive building, a massive draw on resources. The fucking traffic it creates on the weekends is crazy. Pays no quadrant taxes.

Golducot gets that evil guy step into the light. Like that moment you see in superhero films where you put the camera at about waste height. And you give a guy a little bit of a cowboy shot, turns the camera, walks into the light. It's a great reveal. It's a good moment. Yeah. There was that episode where they put Mark Alamo in in Bejure and Loaf and I thought it was interesting to see him kind of I mean like he's in the Cardassian

Loaf here but he's in the Bejure and get up and I feel like it's kind of it's nice that we have comps of the whole spectrum for him. He's wearing the Bejure and Earring. So it's got a he's got the bejure and earring. So he's got some dangle on that lobe. It's a symbol of the titular covenant that he's made with the branch parrheathians. And he has summoned Kira to him, not summoned, Shanghai to to to to embark north to try and inculcate her into this cult. We get a lot of exposition over the scenes that follow and the case that he makes is that

he represents the counterpoint to the Cisco where the Cisco is on team wormhole aliens. team wormhole aliens. DuKa is the pyraith emissary. He's the DuKa. And he has really like figured out a way to invert the whole pejoran religion to make the case that the wormhole aliens in standing idly by and allowing the occupation to happen, where in fact, the real criminals in the occupation, he was merely their instrument and is now repenting for that. The Paw Rates were ejected from the celestial temple because they wanted to take a more active role

in pejorian affairs. They wanted to break the wormhole alien prime directive and really get in there. Just like the tilted, M-Pock, Nor, Ben, Golducat, whole world view is just really twisted, right? Right. The power rates are not what you think, Norris.

Praise in the dark, Lord. I mean, I feel like it's one thing to embrace a kind of novel, upside down reading of a religious text, but when the whole aesthetic attendant to that is like lots of gloomy lighting and red accents, it's like, eh, I mean, you're saying that you're not evil, but your whole aesthetic is very specifically haunted house.

Yeah, you can't help but make that comparison throughout. Kira evokes the name of Jed Zia Dax during DuKat's explanation. Yeah. And DuKat shrugs it off in a way that evil people with power often do. Yeah, I mean he gives some lip service to the idea that he regrets that she's got in the way while he was trying to help the power a get into the wormhole and force the profits out. And I wonder how much they like wrote this at Rick Berman. Yeah, what a shame that we had to kill her or whatever,

but I had a thing I had to do, so. There was purely out of self-serving reasons. That's like one of the bits of dialogue they probably wrote out that would confirm your suspicion, Ben, do cats like, yeah, Jadzi attacks very beautiful woman, very unfortunate. She was lucky to be there, honestly. Do Kats seems like he's in need of a witness in Kira. He also needs a Tammy Faye Baker. He wants Kira to be involved in this thing.

Yeah, but she just doesn't have the lashes for it. Now, or the willingness to betray her own faith the way Vedic Fala does. And that's another great scene we get, which is the confrontation she has with Fala after her big scene with DuCott, like Fala comes and talks to her in the room that she's been locked in. And he claims to have been a red arm band since the waning days of the occupation. It's helped me make sense of suffering we all had to endure. He is a vet who lost his faith in the prophets a long time ago, but stayed a vetick. Kira is incredulous about this, because she's like, dude, you got us through the occupation,

the real way, the prophet way, not the par-rheath way, what are you talking about? Yeah, like, were you saying shit you didn't really believe? And this Vedic fella guy is like, yeah, I mean I didn't, I said what I needed to say to get us through a hard time. Sorry. He's been a rathelord all the way back to the occupation. That shit is crazy. You know how often I've heard those words used to describe us? He calls Ducati the master, which is a little skin crawly. Yeah.

Hey, here's a tip to any religious leaders, any leader, really. Any leader of any kind. Don't let your subordinates call you the master. I think if they do, it means something very bad has happened. Yeah. There's a little CSI moment in curious quarters back on DS9 where Cisco and Odo and Warfino Brian. I am Chief Miles Edward O'Brien.

This is fucking spectacular. Are looking at the evidence. She was beamed out by a dominion-style transporter, and they know that there was a transponder involved, but they don't really have any way of finding her or tracing the transporter because she went missing like way, way before anyone noticed she was missing. You must suspend the disbelief involved

with whatever happened to the Vedic fella. Because like they're trying to figure out what happened to Kira. O'Brien finds the rag that the stone was in that transported her away. But they've got no cameras in any part of the station that might have seen this Vedic fella coming or going or how he left the station. This Vettic fella could have had another transponder, I suppose, but I don't know why he didn't just transport with Kira in that moment. It seems like more for dramatic reasons so that it's a reveal that he's also there later. Well, you got to get that shot reverse shot moment after Kira beams away, you got to cut back over

to this Vedic fellow looking satisfied at what he's done. Yeah. How are you gonna get to the next scene without that, Ben? I don't know, Adam, I just don't know. I don't know how you possibly right your way around that puzzle. Hahaha. Yeah, this is, I think, maybe the only scene of the investigation into what happened to Kira. Like they yeah, there is no B story here.

That's not a B story. It's it's it's head faint, but not B story. And we really like don't spend any more time with that crew for a lot of the rest of the episode. The God is working in shins! It makes that combined with how Kira is and her environment really tamps down the tension. It puts the tension on the idea of this religion being made and Dukat being its leader. But it totally dials down any sort of danger that Kira is in at any point. And I wonder why it's like that, because why not? Give us a greater element of danger.

Why not make us fearful for Kira's safety? That seems to be off the table right away. She doesn't seem particularly worried. We don't get the sense from DuCat that he is interested in murdering her if she doesn't agree to whatever he's doing. We've got seven seasons of proof that if what DuCat wanted to do was murder Kira, he would have done it already. Right. So, that Vedic follow-guy is interested in explaining how their little society that they're building on M. Park and our work, so he gives her a tour of the station. Now, we're installing these Gadrails for safety on the second level of Teraqnua.

We're using this migwilded, which you can rent at a local home center, but it does take a little bit of training to operate properly, so we recommend hiring a professional for a job like this. This being a religious cult, we've had all the females ask permission to become pregnant. Here we have Mira, who's just about ready to pop. If she does need a cesarean section... The Athlora mentioned Tig Welda. We'll put my name down in the chase.

Yuck! Ben, did you notice this is a two-minute sequence that begins on the top floor, goes down the circular staircase, comes back toward the camera. It's long, there's a number of beats, there's interactions with background actors. I think it's impossible to escape that this is an homage to the pool party scene in Boogie Nights, because at one point they jump in the pool and you see Kira swim away from the camera and then the camera comes back up out of the pool. I'm like, how do they do it? I don't know how they cleared the spill the wine song for this.

It was great. I don't know if you've seen the show pen 15, but we just started watching season two of that and there is a perfect homage to the Boogie Night's Pull Party scene in an episode one of season two that I think you'll really love. I haven't seen that show yet, it's been on my list for a while, but I'll elevate it to the top. It's fucking great and just imagine Pull Party scene,

but it's middle school and you can do the math. Yeah, can. They meet a character named Benion who is sort of the painter of light of the Branch Paratheans. He's doing a totally gross Thomas Kingcade painting of DuCott and his followers. I like this one. One dog goes one way near the dog goes the other way. I don't understand why he brought you here. Benyon looks like Matt Damon with another foot of height and maybe another 30 pounds of chiseled muscle. And another 15 pounds of hair.

I thought this guy was a very striking individual. I feel like he must have been a 90s television that guy. Like one of the chances he wasn't like a reigned in like original law in order for whacking his wife or something like that, you know, how could he not have been in Melrose place? I'm actually going to click on his name to rule that out. It has he was in Dr. Quinn medicine woman. Wow.

That checks out. It has he was in Dr. Quinn medicine woman. Wow that checks out He does have serious Dr. Quinn energy. You know what he wasn't in that much He was in television shows of the 90s and then he came back for a short project with James C. Moore called Dr. Quinn more fiend woman Is that like a Afterschool special about Dr. Quinn getting totally strung out? This isn't your grandma's, Dr. Quinn. He directed a video short in 2019, so it looks like he may have pivoted to behind the camera and stuff instead of in front of it, but I don't know how you do that when you look like

this guy. I think you get to stay in front of the camera, bud. The camera wants Jason Leeland Adams. How tall is he? I gotta find that out because maybe that's the problem. Maybe it's hard to get a job when you're six foot four. Yeah, you can't be an astronaut when you're six foot four. So why should you be able to be an actor also?

Oh, tall is Mark Alamo. He's six feet tall. This guy clearly has like four or five inches on him. There's a scene later on where stretchy Matt Damon just hours over him. And that's something that you never see on Deep Space 9. Golducod is the tall guy in the room, most days. Yeah, him and Worf, often the tallest. Yeah. Kira starts kind of putting the screws to this guy because he's got a baby coming and she is very critical of this religion,

but Benian does not, he's very self-assured in his belief system in such a way that he is not an evangelist. He's like, you don't believe that shit? Fine. He's like David Puddy, he's like, you're the one going to hell. Yeah, and like, Kira is not taking thinly veiled shots at him and his beliefs. Like, she's sport fucking his religion in front of him and that doesn't seem to bother him at all. He's being rake-cucked. At this point, they attend a religious ceremony being officiated by Galdu Katt and everybody on the station is in attendance for this. What you want to do is go shopping at the market.

Well, well, this is happening, really short lines. Yeah, I mean, if you can find a store of the topen, you're gonna sail through it. Boy, that's true. Kira is like so creeped out in this, and she notices somebody standing a little bit ahead of her in the crowd who's wearing a bejure and blaster and a cat basket.

And she grabs the gun and holds up the religious ceremony and is like telling everybody to get on the floor. This is a robbery. I said go to the floor. I'm a sexual every mother fucking last one of you. and then like a few more of the red-armed bands start standing in between her and do cut. And the one that breaks the camel's back is that Vedic follow guy who says like enough memories unless you're willing to kill us all. We're all gonna be like three little fans each year. And my note I wrote is, what is the cost of stunning all these dopes? Yeah, you gotta start firing

until your finger falls asleep. Like until the trigger goes click, right? Like, is there some reason why you can't just stun everyone? What's your restriction is she in? She's talking to the guy that was the butcher of Vajor. If she could bring him in, like the pejorant provisional government would be thrilled to throw him behind bars, right?

What are the chances that the Bejorant militia person has a blaster in their cat basket set to kill for whatever reason. And it's, it's unsaccured with that little strap that keeps it, that keeps it from being pulled from someone else. Yeah. Like at a, at anything but a very specific angle. Like she's got to believe that she could stun everyone, but that's never on the table.

This is a, this is all for show. I've wanted this scene to go the way of her pulling the trigger and it being not a real gun or not loaded or something and it having been a test. I just felt like this scene, like I believed all of the motivation up until she had the gun in her hand and then I didn't believe any motivation after that. Like what is stopping her from just mowing these idiots down?

And instead of mowing these idiots down, it is Kira that is mowed down with a clasped fist to the base of her neck. Classic Star Trek knockout move. Kirk chop to sleep. Oh! And Ducat, like, leans over her. Why else is asleep? And twist the knife by saying,

now don't you do understand how much they love me? She's not awake, you cut. That's not going guard, not be guard. Exactly. When she comes to, she's partially undressed, which really ramps up the creep factor. DeCott is tending to her wounds. And it's clear from this scene that perhaps making a martyr out of DeCott is exactly what he wants. I think that like the, she's going gonna be killed tension stays out of this episode,

even here, but the fact that her clothing has been messed with introduces another kind of tension and another kind of fear. And the fact that he's still villain monologuing at her is really terrifying. And he's basically making the case, like if I can convince you to join me, I can make it anywhere, right?

Like you're the last person that people would assume I could convince to join the Branch Power Atheons. So you're the first person I'm going to start on. I should think that after what just happened in the temple, you'd realize that. I feel like in the way that some characters have like power uniforms, whenever I see Kira in this level of undress, all she's ever done is kick a major amount of ass or blow up a pizza oven. ever done is kick a major amount of ass or blow up a pizza oven. She's really more dangerous than she is when she's wearing the white tunic with the holes in it.

She presents as someone who maybe has been weakened from the moment, but we know from experience how dangerous she is. She never loses her power in these moments. I think that that's critical. Can you think of a time when she has, like when she was really broken down? She's had very few moments like that. I think that's why you feel so safe with her character whenever she's in dangerous situation. She never, she never seems to be outgunned at any point. She's one of the few characters in any media

that I could think of being like alone in a remote place with 50 hostiles and I'm not actually really sweating that much. The alone part is key to that statement. Like I feel like that is that's a special magic that kids get. And I think that they tried to introduce like a little bit of fear by having that CSICN where they were looking at her quarters and trying to figure out where she went back on the station, really pegging the needle for how she is in a remote place and they don't even know where to look for her.

But I'm still not worried. It's gotta be weird to be in your twin station in What may or may not be your twin quarters? Yeah, you know like there was always such a creepy factor to Like in the Nugielum episode is what I'm thinking like to when you're whenever you you're on another galaxy Class ship that may or may not be haunted. Yeah, there's There's a great level of discomfort there that whenever we're on Empok Noir, I feel like the earlier episodes lean into that far more than this one.

Even the mega church tunes, in a strange way, tunes out the creepiness of the haunted station. Your anger is a challenge. I welcome it. Another strange thing is the birth of the baby scene. Yeah. They go to Six Bay to enjoy this blessed event. Anyone who's seen a bejure in birth knows that this is going to take several hours. So everyone gets outside of the infirmary and they wait.

They've all brought some reading material. and gets outside of the infirmary and they wait. They've all brought some reading material. There's a guy inside doing that weird drum thing where you like move your hands together and then flick the little bead back and forth. We saw Brian and Bishir do this. Yeah, very time consuming. That's how Bajorans do this.

Bajorans don't push. No, they have to be very relaxed. Yeah. But maybe, maybe not in a case like this when the baby is in fact a cardie. The pop rates. They've sent us a sign. What a reveal.

The wordless cut to minions are really great. And a lot of tension between Mecha and Benion in this scene because Gilducat sucks all the air out of the room and is talking to the faithful about how this is a miracle symbolizing the covenant that they've made with him and that, you know, this really is Benian and Mika's kid, but that the pot rates have changed the appearance of the baby in order to, you know, increase their faith. It's something we see all the time,

like tangible evidence of how bad a leader is. Now I don't take responsibility at all only making that leader's followers more fervent in their Belief that that this is the the leader for them God bless our president. I will die for him because a redemption story is one of the most powerful Inspirations to people and figures like that. I'm a flawed leader, I make mistakes. I fucked all of you. Like the forgiveness narrative is strong. And this scene, it's fucked up in a lot of ways, but one thing I wanted to talk about was

the animatronic baby. I read was made by the Chucky people. Wow. The child's play people made the animatronic baby because you can't put loaf on newborns. Yeah. You can't do it. It's coming.

That's for newborns. There are rules about it. This seems like the sort of thing that they're, you don't need a rule for. You should just know. Someone fucked it up and now there's a rule against it. This seems like the sort of thing that they're you don't need a rule for. You should just know. Someone fucked it up and now there's a rule against it. And that's why we've got checky babies on deep space, not God. You know, you know, occasionally how there'll be like a big PDF that goes around on the internet of like an auction of screen used props from sci-fi things. Oh my God. How much would you spend for this baby? Cardassian animatronic baby, I feel like,

is a big ticket item. If it still works, which I probably doesn't, it's probably been in the drawer of some prop shop for years. Yeah, they have powers beyond our understanding. Yeah, but you know there's just a guy with a Futaba transmitter just out of frame working the sticks, the eyebrows, the eyebrows

and another one with the arms. It's big fun. You don't see it a whole bunch because it does not look great, but Mark Alamo sells the shit out of it. It seems scary when he picks the baby up. That's crucial, right? If it looked silly enough to where he leaned in and grabbed the baby, you wouldn't care.

But I couldn't rule out the idea of DuCott picking up the baby and throwing him to the other side of the promenade. Like I was fearful of the baby's safety here. Fear for the animatronic baby. An amazing thing that these days and I made us feel. Yeah. maybe an amazing thing that these days and I made us feel. Yeah.

Yeah, so the scandal has been pivoted into Miracle. And DuCat has made as a y'all for himself, hasn't he? Yeah, see y'all has been reborn. This is a name that has not been evoked in this entire episode, but my mind went there first thing. Yeah, it's interesting, because I mean he was so like mentally broken after that. And we don't get any evidence in this episode that he is like seeing people that aren't there or anything like that.

Like, he's pretty with it. He's kind of a different, a different duke hot than we've had lately. He's like Jim Jones before the drugs, right? Kira has a conversation with Fala about whether or not this is a miracle. And it's a real like miracles are in the eyes of the beholder conversation because he can cite the prophets disappearing that Jim had our fleet that was coming through the wormhole as something that she considers legitimately to be a miracle. It becomes a real miracle measuring contest

when it's like, you think the profits or the pie race have any problem making a baby if they wanted to? Look at all these other things that they're able to do. Right. There's nothing to them. And she's like, are you fucking kidding me? Like, did you see all that Benian react that was that was crazy? Like he knows.

Their spoons look exactly alike, Vedic Fala. Like the shape, the depth, the number of scales, everything. Count the scales, Vedic Fala. Yeah. And I think that this is a real thing, you know, Like when somebody is presented with something that could shake their worldview to its very foundation, there is a very strong chance that their reaction will be to double down on their belief system. Like you cannot tell somebody that believes in the flat earth about all of the different real evidence

that their belief system is bullshit, because that's not what it's about, you know? I think it's a big part of a person's identity who believes in things like that to feel like they're being attacked. Yeah, and also the only immunity to the shame of acknowledging you made a mistake is never acknowledging you made a mistake.

And you can never talk them out of it because it's a belief system that self-reinforces against that. Like, the dumbness of flat earth is almost the point. Yeah. Kira wants to talk to the parents. And for some reason is granted that ability. There is no reason she should be permitted to do this. Only bad things can come of this. Yeah. So she does. Yeah, she's like, so, so Benian, you've prayed alone one-on-one with DuCat and he's like, sure, and she's like, what about your wife? Is she done that?

He's like, sure, and she's like, what about your wife? Is she done that? And what position does Duquat like to pray in? Where does he like to finish praying? Yeah, Kiran knows what she's talking about because her mother also prayed with Duquat, so she would know. You saw what you wanted to see. We basically cut to Mika waiting for DuCott to talk to her. And whenever you set up a meeting near a door to space, I think that's Chekhov's door, right? Yeah, the door

of Damocles. Right. DuCott shows up, they have their secret conversation about their previous secret encounter. And what you can't do is say the words, if he ever asked me, I don't know if I can lie to him. This is the last line of cheaters for time immemorial. Yeah. This is the thing that blows up the cheating right here. It makes it a thing Yeah, and And do cat goes that's fine baby. I understand

Anyways, you just wait here in this airlock and I'll go do something else anyway, see ya and when that door rolls closed and Mecha does not make any attempt to leave the airlock section. This scene is so weird because the door to space rolls open. You get the commensurate sucking that happens when that happens and then for some reason the sucking stops and Mika's just on the ground with the door to space behind her. What happened there? I think all of the air is out of the room at that point, and so there's no force to keep pushing her toward the hole.

She should be floating, man. You gotta enter into the harness. Well, I mean, I think that that's what Ducat was going for. He was trying to alien queen her, but he used one of those airlocks where the door rolls to the side super slowly, and it depressurized in a way that didn't, didn't suck her out successfully. Tell you one thing, you're never going to kill any alien queens that way. No, that's not, that is not a way to get a bitch away from a little girl.

There's got to be another setting on the controls to blow the doors. Explosive decompression is what Ducat needed to do and he should know better. Yeah, he was the administrator of a station just like this. He should know which button you push for that. Ducat does such a shitty job that he doesn't even kill Mika. She survives this incident. Yeah. Because Kira rolls up and closes the door behind her. This is the miracle to me. Yeah.

But Mika fucking survives. The miracle is that she's pregnant again after this. That was very surprising. Oh, the blessed, this is. There is a scene after this where DuCat is praying, quote unquote, in his quarters alone, and talking to the power-aids. And it hit me like he is the one person in this scenario that is not operating on faith.

He is in fact in league with the power race, like they used him as an instrument of whatever they're trying to do. And he had one inside his body, like when he is talking to them here, he may in fact be in communication with a real alien. Doesn't he have to bust open a doll and release more? Yeah. Pah-Race?

Like, that's how you become in communion with Pah-Race. Right. He's run out of piñatas, right? Farts don't stick around forever. They dissipate eventually. Correct me if I'm wrong, but like, has that been the only example of interaction with Pah-Race when one of those things is busted open? They don't just...

They don't appear like the prophets to you in that way, right? Well, we appear in lots of different ways. Sometimes we look like fart. Other times we look like characters from the show because we don't have enough money to cast new people. Look at you applying logic to a religious belief. That's hilarious. Don't you know all these things work? Mika comes to you in the infirmary and a crowd is gathered again outside. Mika is spending a lot of time in this infirmary lately, getting a lot of triangle pillow time.

Kira makes her accusation public here in the public square. Was Mika gonna tell everyone that you're the father of her child? Kira. Is that why you tried to kill her? Enough. And it's enough to get her finally dragged away. This is the line that she crossed. Yeah, so it's a get the cool-aid ready guys. Like that's what's coming next. Yeah. This is the moment where I looked at the time code and I was like, there are 10 minutes left in this episode. What is going to happen? Because I kept

on waiting to go back to the B story. Certainly the cavalry is on their way, right? What is the status of the rescue mission? With 10 minutes left, we should know by now. We do not. Yeah, like, and that's a moment in almost any other episode of this show where they'd be saying we're still a day away from Ampoknor even at maximum warp and somebody would have introduced some idea of like, maybe we should kill Kira anyways, we'll decide after dinner, which is in two hours, you know. On the promenade, the dinner bell is wrong, but it's not the usual time for services. It's because Tukat has gathered the flock together to tell them that he loves them very much, but he loves the paw-raiths more and the paw-raice have told him. We must transform ourselves. Our caporeal bodies are not suitable for the task.

They gotta become forced ghosts. Yeah, it's time to become a ghost army. And they're gonna do that the next morning. So look, I've got a lot about this. If I ever become a cult leader, I'm not going to give away the planet ahead of time. You're just asking your flock to disband and leave. How far ahead of time did the Jones town people know about the Kool-Aid? Because they knew it was poison, right? Like they did. Yeah. Yeah. Well, the

morning of the massacre was when that senator was shot at the airport, and I think things came together very quickly after that. Wow. It's been a long time since I've taken a deep dive into that. I told you that was the first date I went on with my wife, right? We went to go see the Jones Down movie. Jesus. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. We held hands during the massacre. The first date I went on with my wife was to get Italian food. Yeah, I mean, that's a way that you could do that. Yeah.

So, we get the passing out the pills scene Very intense moment when Benion takes one for him and one for the bambino That is really true, right? Like whenever you're threatening to kill a baby on a show that really ratchets up the tension. Yeah And we cut to Kira's the room where they're keeping Kira where she She cures the room where they're keeping Kira where she takes a turn for the magroober and starts making life-saving inventions out of household materials. She rips open a hole in the wall and plugs it into the heat lamp in the room and blows the door. She's able to escape her confines and get out there. And she comes in for an

attack vector from the second level of the promenade where she literally like jumps off the catwalk onto Dukai. And I thought it was very funny that I think she jumps like from basically the spot where they showed the guy welding the guard rail is almost like they anticipated. We might need a guard rail here in case anybody ever like jumps off of here. This is a great action scene. Yeah, pretty exciting. And the upshot is she knocks Ducati the ground and he drops his promosine tablet and it gets confused with all of the other promosine tablets. So when he gets up, he doesn't know which one was his

and this is proof that he was gonna fire a blank at his own head and the faithful were all going to kill themselves. And finally the scales fall from their eyes and they realized that he was using them the whole time. We're told previously that the promosine, when you take it, it turns your body to dust in very short order. Had we seen this scene of mass death and then mass dust, that would have been insane

to watch. Totally crazy. The mob gets incredibly angry and starts flinging their promosine tablets at DuCa, which is, yeah. Which seems very impotent as a, as a rejection of what's happened to you. Yeah. You gotta throw something heavier, guys. Yeah. Um, hey, I brought, I brought some, uh, some rotten tomatoes. Let's throw these. Benyan still holding on to his baby. And I felt my second wave of fear for what's going to happen to that baby in this scene because I thought the baby was gonna get thrown too.

Yeah, that would have been fucked up. Benian to his credit does not throw the baby. And yeah, it looks like they're gonna like tear him apart, but he's got an escape figured out. He slaps his wrist, he dominion style, transportors out of there. It's his Klingon ship outside. Is that where he's headed? I don't know because it's not a Klingon style transporter It's and it's not a Federation style transporter. It's a Dominion style transporter. I'm confused. He's like he remember

he's like working with wayune and And Demar at this point. Yeah. Vedic Fala pops his pill. Yeah, and it's not a fake. It's the real deal. What if he'd fucking picked up the one pill? And he's like, faith, care, faith.

I kind of thought this was going to come overtake me a little bit more quickly than it is Follow no, I mean I feel terrible, but I don't know if it's like symptomatic of the pill It may be like psychosomatic like I just feel so bad about what's happened And I feel like I should be dying so am I like doing this to myself or? Boy doing this to myself or boy. Okay, give me another one, just to be on the safe side. This actually speaks directly to what you were saying before, Ben, he would rather die

than live as someone who has to change his mind about a thing. Or live with the shame of having been as rotesquly wrong about something as he was. So we cut to the little D and Kira is just covered in dust. Like she looks like a vacuum cleaner bag just exploded all over. Like she's been antique to like, in jazz. Yeah. She's dusting herself off in the mess and Odo is there and he's like, well, bullet dodge not having any faith. Anyways, right? I'm not sure if you will wear but my lungs are liquid and the dust is really doing a number

on them. Oh my god, the AQI in this mess hall is off the charts. It's like, Portland and September. Listen to my voice, it's all raspy. You look behind the mat daemon is sitting within earshot and he has like a dust outline of a baby at around his bosom. Like that he's frantically trying to wipe off. Like he didn't just kill a baby with that pill.

You don't see a baby in this scene, Ben. You sure don't. Did you like the episode? You really want to do this. Here, now, okay, okay, let's do it, do it. That's a hard question to answer. I know it's my job to answer it here. Here's the thing. Whenever you tell a story of religious condemnation, without the corresponding religious self-examination, I think you're telling only half the story. And I think it is religiously hypocritical for Kira to be over there doing religious tourism,

doing religious judgment, and never recognizing that it's her own religion that spawned this thing. They are related concepts. She's judgmental for all the right reasons. Like this is a cult and bad shit is going on there. She's hoping to interfere before the flock turns to dust, but take a little bit of fucking ownership about this. She never does because Bajorin religion interpretation is the healthy interpretation. And it never hurts anyone. Because Bejorin religion interpretation is the healthy interpretation. And it never hurts anyone.

Her confidence in that is never shaken in this episode. I would have liked for that to have been shaken. Much like Kira is rarely felt to feel danger in circumstances like this. She's rarely made to feel mixed feelings about her own beliefs here. I like it when she is made to really question shit like that. I think as close as she came was when she had to confront the reality of her mother's relationship to Gold to Cut.

That's great stuff when they make her do that. Why are there so few episodes where she does? This seemed like an opportunity for it that we don't get. And so I like that the episode builds to cut back up into the heavy. episodes where she does. This seemed like an opportunity for it that we don't get and so it like I like that the episode builds to cut back up into the heavy. I'm very excited for a sprint to the end where it's it's decont against Cisco. Like you can see that's the collision course that we're on but like you could have gotten heavier hearing you didn't. There's not word again. Heavy is how I feel about this episode, what about you?

I do really like the episode. I think that the lack of huge life threatening stakes is a choice that I actually kind of appreciate because I feel like you can dig into the issues more. It's not just like, hey, we're trying to kill you. Fuck you, you're bad for trying to kill me. Because that's somewhat off the table, the theology of the branch power atheons

can be explored in a little bit more detail. And we're not open to it, but we can be slightly more open-minded and hear them for saying what they believe in. And I think that that's a really interesting writing choice. And I think it's a great Mark Alamo episode and a really good non-a visitor, non-a visitor episode. So I enjoyed watching it quite a bit. I am appreciating them while they're here with us.

Yeah. We're not going to get too many more of these and I really do enjoy seeing them together. I enjoy seeing priority one messages in our inbox. Do you want to see what that is looking like today? Adam? Yeah, it's extra. The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship! Ben, our first priority one message is from Wesley. A boy. And it is to all Wesley's everywhere.

The message goes like this to all Wesley's, 33 and younger, how's it going? Having a parent who's a huge nerd. To be an A, there hasn't been an embarrassing Star Trek story for a while now so... My dad named me the eponymous spaceboy and named my younger brother after one from a galaxy far far away. He would have named my sister 7. Whoa! Looking for a devoyager and enterprise?

Did this person send this P1 in after the Marin for this episode? Yeah, yeah, they got in there. Right under the gavel. Good job, Wesley. Here's the thing. Wesley, while we have committed to doing Voyager, next, I think it's pretty clear from our mirror

and that we're gonna go back and do TNG again, the remastered version. Was Wesley's dad looking to name a theoretical girl child seven because Wesley's dad was a Voyager nerd or because Wesley's dad was a Seinf nerd or because Wesley's dad was a sign-filled nerd. That's my question. I don't think it's good to name women numbers, is what I'll say.

Because I think you're setting them up for for being told they're a seven. Yep, so good bit of restraint there. Yeah, what are you talking about? We haven't told a story of an of embarrassment for a while Every episode. Oh, we fucking do Anyways, our next priority one message is from birdie and it's too birdie and It goes like this

Space the final frontier. This is Deep Space 9. It's continuing mission to stay put and keep an eye on the wormhole. Best to keep the Dominion at bay, though, they are looking a bit peckish Hey, Wurf, how about a game of dabo? Dabo! Happy birthday to the Nenook of the North Hey, you know what? Sometimes you just have to wish yourself a happy birthday and that's That's what happened here is birdie to bird. Is birdie the nannook of the North? I mean, I guess the implication is that that's what's going on here.

Also, we missed this by a long time. This was supposed to go out on June 22nd. I'm so sorry. Another reminder that if you're trying to target a P1 for a specific date, get it in well, well in advance of that date. But we sure appreciate everyone who has gotten a P1. I'm looking at our spreadsheet, Ben. I think we're totally filled until the end of Deep Space 9. That's wild. Wow. Thanks to everyone who supports the show with a priority one message.

If you want to get in on the award show or or Voyager, you know what to do. Hey Adam. What's that been? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? This is gonna feel bad. I might have some regrets with my Shimoda, but it's obviously Golducat, right? No one's having more fun than Golducat here. He's a cult leader. Yeah, he's the king. I don't think anyone's having much fun here. No. But if anyone is, it's the one with all the power.

So it's Golducat for me. What about you? Golducat for me. What about you? Gold to Cat for me too. Especially for the moment where he's like pying on the floor at the different pills. Yeah. Very funny moment to me. I love trying to try to figure out the right pill. You know when you're when you're Gold to Cat's age, you're probably taking your poison out of the plastic dispenser with the days of the week. Oh yeah, you got the little... That's it, keep them straight.

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We did a tub of soode, personally. You would. Anyways, episode 10 of season seven is the one we will be doing, and it's called It's Only a Paper Moon. Traumatized by the loss of his leg, Nag retreats to the holographic world of 1960s lounge singer Vic Fontaine. It's interesting that it's 60s. I always had 50s as my estimate of what Vic Fontaine's era was. I mean that's part of what the joke was for us, like his home time period is far more problematic. Yeah, I mean maybe it is 60s but like early 60s or maybe the caption writer doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about, which we've often found to be the case.

the caption writer doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about, which we've often found to be the case. Hey cool cats, I'm just in here, dad's in the Vietnam War. You're required to learn as you play, role. I cannot dodge the responsibility of rolling this die bin. No. And so I must, as nervous as I am. All right, I've in typical fashion rolled a one. Shula! Did I win? Hardly.

Which does not get us out of danger. It only gets us closer, Ben. We're on square 27 and it's on the doorstep of a tub show. The bath mat, if you will, just outside. So great. Cool. Ever present bathtub danger ahead for the episode after next. But the next episode, as it is,

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I don't either. We've had some debates about like if there was a way to offer an alternative to Facebook, you know, like if we could become Mark Zuckerberg, but not evil and build some website, I don't think that's really something that we're capable of. So I don't know. There's 31 people in our discord right now. I just went into it. Oh no, it's asking me for my birthday.

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