The Greatest Generation - Mother Kevorkian (DS9 S4E23)

Episode Date: July 29, 2019

When a planet full of disease-punished people are discovered, the inhabitants have lost hope for a cure. But when Dr. Bashir’s street magic special gets poorly reviewed, it sets up a conflict between him and the doctor in charge. How do you say that doctor’s name? Do you need consent for mustard? Is that pylon okay? It’s the episode that we’ll keep working on for the rest of our lives.

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Deep Space Nine, Star Trek Podcast. A couple of guys who are a little bit embarrassed about having a Star Trek Podcast. I'm Adam Pranika. I'm Ben Harrison. You know, at this moment in time, Star Trek Las Vegas is this week. Whoa, shit, really?

Yeah, when this episode comes out, this will come out on the 29th of July, which means we will be at Star Trek Las Vegas this week. But, like, at the end of the week, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, I was really freaking out. So Star Trek Las Vegas starts, I think think on the 31st and runs through August Fourth or something and we're gonna be there the second third in the fourth are we getting paid to promote this or Like what's going on Adam? Here's Adam saying I am not promoting this at all

I think if there's one thing we know about this convention is that they could not care less That whether or not we're going to be there. They would probably rather that we not show up. I had a great time last year with you sort of crashing it. Yeah, I like being an anonymous attendee, and I especially like not worrying about getting paid nine months later. Well, there's that, and also having your payment information skimmed and then having to get

new credit cards and stuff. That's another thing that allegedly they had to deal with. Yeah. That's great. I mean, I'm going to be paying in cash, which is why I haven't bought a ticket to the convention yet. And we'll until I get there. We're going to bring the the Uxbridge Shimoda debit card to card to Las Vegas and go to a casino ATM and pay the $8 ATM fee. A casino ATM, a far safer bet than running it through the- I don't know that $8 pays for, man, a security.

Yeah, yeah. I had a great time last year, which is why I'm looking forward to going this year Ben. It is days and nights of fun and debauchery and drinking and good friends. We met up with a bunch of friends at the soda last year. Hope to do the same this year. Yeah. If you're gone and see us walking around, please come up and say, hi, don't feel like you're bothering us. Yeah, we'll let you know if you're bothering us. We'll put Bill Tilly in between us and you. That's it, the highlights from last year. Zebra Hoof Cup.

I'm going to write that wrong this year, Ben. I'm going to be a good sport about gift drinks. Nothing makes me happier than knowing that the emotional war I've waged on you for the last 365 days has yielded results in you doing more problem drinking. I think you learned something about me at that point too, Ben, which is if I've been drinking all day, I don't want a complex sweet cocktail in the form of a herb.

Yeah. I need simple pleasures at the end of the night. I need to ask ahead of time, if you've been drinking all day. I hate to make that a thing. We'll just do a little life guarding of each other throughout. Vegas is the sort of place where things

can get out of control, consumption-wise. We're gonna be popping broads like they're fucking vitamins, man. Because they are vitamins. That's right. Our drinking vitamins will save our lives, those three days in Vegas. I'm excited for it. Which is all to say, I think, that while we will be crashing the convention and doing a bunch of drinking and hanging by the pool and maybe even a little gambling, I am up for whatever while we're there and that includes crashing

someone's panel. No way. In reviewing someone famous. Not a chance. I'm down for all of it. If anybody famous wants to be interviewed, how would you boys? Yeah, who are our famous viewers? Not many of those. What are you most looking forward to, Ben? I think that a thing that I really enjoyed last year was watching you resist the temptation to buy a Captain Kirk jacket in the merch haul and I'm wondering, I feel like your defenses may be even weaker this year than they were last year. If it's there, I dare say it will be bought.

Wow. I recently went on the website of the company that makes the Captain Kirk away team movie jacket and it was like sold out or something. So. The thing about that jacket and buying it, Ben, is that if I were to buy it, it would have to live at your house. Why at my house? Just because there's no way I'm gonna be allowed

to have that thing here. Your wife would not permit it? No. She would not permit it, and also I would have to explain it. I would just rather avoid all of that. So you're deferring all of the responsibility for that onto me, the guy who doesn't own the jacket, but would still have to get a divorce over the jacket.

But how great would it be to show up at the pool with the Rio? Wearing the jacket and swim shorts. Oh man, the think geek TNG speedo and that jacket combination is a pretty hot look for summer. I mean, I think you can see the video getting very popular, right, jumping into the pool wearing the jacket. Going down the water slide in the jacket. Oh yeah, oh yeah, baby. You've seen that footage from those pool parties.

People go into the pool in Klingon Loaf, you know? Yeah. That's how you catch a fucking disease, man. A disease like the one in today's episode. Wow, you get into the pool with the Star Trek Las Vegas hotel. You're gonna come down with the quickening. Yeah. It's season four episode 23, Adam.

Also called the Quickening. Hey, hey, is that Pylon okay? I was wondering the same thing. I think we need a Pylon, okay. I was wondering the same thing. I think we need a pylon update. They strategically only showed closeups of the ops and promenade section of the station, avoiding any exegesis on whether or not the pylon is okay. It's like a kid showing up to school on picture day with a zit and like turning their face just so.

So you can't see it. Yeah, you know what the big maintenance concern is on the station, Adam? It's not that pylon that got shot clean off. It's that quark has been going around the station, hacking all the computers to show an advertisement for his bar. Come to Quark's Quark's spot and come right now. Don't want run! This is something that I feel very acutely because I don't know if you've been over to my house

during the warmer months when the plane carrying the Geico banner has flown over. There is just a fucking plane and a fucking Geico Geco banner that just flies all around the city when it's nice. And it is the absolute worst. They should like suddenly the second amendment meaning that everybody can have surface to air missiles seems like a reasonable interpretation of the law. You know what would be great is to spend some time out in the backyard, maybe do a little gardening, have a layout even, play some badminton, and a low flying aircraft, maybe 500 feet off the deck,

carrying a fucking picture of a gecko flies over. As if we could ever forget their stupid fucking company. Yeah. Unbelievable. The nerve. They must just be raking it in, right? Their cost of customer acquisition must be so astronomically high, given how much money they spend on advertising.

It must mean that you pay more when you have their insurance, right? Because you're paying for that advertising budget. Yeah. I hate them so much. I hate them too. I wish they weren't the car insurance that we had. If you're a viewer and you work for them,

someone tell them not to fly airplanes over my house and Tell them not to do it at the beach in New York anymore either because I used to go to the beach in New York And they would do that shit that same dumb airplane all the time same airplane Yep probably quark and his methods I must admit Fairly cute. Oh, I love the part where my name rotates around. He's gotten into the guerrilla marketing, but he's doing it everywhere. He's laser-focused his marketing, even onto Wharf,

who when he replicates prune juice on the little D, it comes out in like a hallmark singing mug that does the pitch for Cork's bar when you turn it on its side. I am trying to find this prop as a thing that you can get. It's got to be a thing that you can get. I don't see it anywhere. What? This is a prop that can be made into a sellable item. I don't understand why it doesn't exist. I love that it's got a picture of quark and it says free refills and then asterisk limit one per customer. Yeah.

Like there's so much in that. It's really funny. There's a cheapness to the mug that is also very affecting. Like it does not look like a good piece of merchandise. No, like Worf brandishes here. Like it looks like those vinyl letters that you get the hardware store to make a sign, you know? Yeah.

Like that's the quality of the printing. It's what my wife would call cheap and cheerful. I love this jingle also. Yeah. Very catchy. I feel like O'Brien's sort of like a witness to this, not doing a whole lot besides having to be the one that repairs all this shit with Quark later.

But I feel like he's tapping his engineering dildo against the palm of his hand in the rhythm of the jingle at the end of this scene. Mm. Like it's an earworm. Oh, he's got it stuck in his head. It's one of those scenes where it's like, Hey, these are some characters on the show.

Okay, now we're done with them. About 30 minutes into the episode, I was like, I wonder what ever happened to Quark's marketing plan. If you have questions about this at any point in the episode, they will not be answered. Ew. What do you call this story? It's not a C story.

It's just buried. It's it's literally a Cold-open that is just there for for levity Yeah, because the rest of the episode is just one a story. That's a one super heavy a story Yeah, we get their via runabout and it's a runabout with Bashir, Dax and Kira inside and they're doing a run about and it's a run about with Bashir, Dax and Kira inside and they're doing a survey in the G quad when they have to divert to a planet that has sounded a distress signal. It's a planet that is just outside of Dominion space. So something that they shouldn't be terrified to go to but it's antenna up, you know. Right. Which is interesting, right? Like I don't think that up until now, we've ever gotten the sense that there are like really well understood borders to where the dominion is and isn't.

Now, and I don't know if the wormhole is within what the dominion claim as their territory or not. It seems unclear if the dominion feel a certain way about territory even. Right. Like it sort of seems like the dominion feel a certain way about territory even. Right. Like it sort of seems like the dominion is considered everything to be theirs, and you know, it's either under control or in the process of being taken under their control. Right. The dominion, of course, are a lot like my dog, which doesn't care about toys unless other dogs are playing with toys, and then he goes and steals those toys.

Yeah, but Bashir and Dax beam down and I really liked this shot where this is an episode directed by René Opusionois. Right. And a really fun, matte painting work in this episode, really? Yes. Does a, maybe more than any episode of Star Trek, here to for, does a great job of establishing an environment and a, and a, and a sense of place and atmosphere and feeling in, in just this opening shot? I saw a picture on the internet today that showed what bow people look like in the first Toy Story movie versus what she looks like in the one that's out right now. Uh-huh. And it was just making the case that, wow, you know, animations come a long way, Pixar's

come a long way, like even at the time, back with the first Toy Story, it was breathtaking and then now look at it. This feels like the same leap with matte paintings has happened here. Right. Like, what we're seeing in this episode seems so much more sophisticated than we've ever gotten before, and there's even like a, what feels like a time lapse later on with this painting. Like, they're using it in a very sophisticated way, very good way that I hope they're able

to stick with. I don't really know how you pull off a zoom with a matte painting because this is like a shot of them beaming down and they're pretty much taking up the whole frame when they beam down and then it zooms way, way out and it reveals a whole city skyline and like minaretts and domes and and a main road and it's it's one continuous shot. I have no idea how that's accomplished. Yeah. It really is stunning and makes you feel like you're in a on an alien planet that they were able to like make this one shot work and then make it work consistently with the shots where it is in a

matte painting like all the times when you're just with them walking around in the streets of this place and it feels consistent, it's really well done. I know we didn't plan this spin, but we have the nominees for best location in season four of Deep Space 9. And I have the envelope. Oh my goodness. I have the envelope. Here we go.

And the winner of best location in season four of Deep Space 9 is this mystery planet. Oh my god. For all the reasons you stated, like it's totally developed and built, and it's out of nowhere that they did this. Yeah. Unfortunately, it does not have a name, and all of the aliens here are human, and none of that is mentioned.

Do you need that? That's a real like TOS and early TNG technology. I have like the people that live here look exactly like us. But we can't mention it because it breaks the spell. Right. Yeah, that's Star Trek magic. Their loaf is the blight. Right, they aren't on the surface very long before Bishir interacts with a woman known as Norva.

Yeah. And she has got the quickening. It's a grim place, right? Like there seems to be sewage running down the street and the first thing they walk by is somebody with like a shopping cart with a dead body in it and then this woman they walk by as somebody with like a shopping cart with a dead body in it. And then this woman runs up to them and she's got red lightning bolts all over her face. And she's asking to be taken to Trevian. And, you know, Bashir is like, is jumping into Dr. Mode. Like, he gives her an injection before he even

tricorders her, which is a pretty big leap from making sure she's got the same biochemistry as he does standpoint. But she is like, I've examined her urine thoroughly. And her physiology is very different and incredibly delicious. The flavor is delightful. And this one bald head dude is like,

you're not from around here, you should go. Yeah, this is a e-pran, not to be confused with a-pran who I am. He warns Bashir of the blight and he is of the opinion that Bashir should just leave versus confront this plate. Right. It really sets the tone.

It really does. Go to Kotlin. Go to Kotlin. So... Trevian. Trevian is a hospital. And Daxe runs off to find out how they can get to it. Trevian is the name of the man, not the name of the hospital. Well, she says it's the name of the hospital, but it turns out. Is the name of the man, not the name of the hospital.

Well, she says it's the name of the hospital, but it turns out to be the name of the man. Okay, all right. Dax comes back and says, I've gotten a transportation to this hospital, and but she's like, that's great, because I just met a guy and he was a dick. So I assume all people here are dicks.

These aren't exactly the friendliest people I've ever met. And Dax explains that she's been able to secure this information by burdering her hair tie. So she's going to be hair down for the rest of the episode. Not a bad look. Yeah. But if you want to get down to work, I think you need to tie it back, right? She's out of uniform, but she looks great. Yeah, if you're going to be doing medicine on people, I think you got to get a tie back. That's but she looks great. Yeah, if you're gonna be doing medicine on people,

I think you gotta get a tie back. That's all I'm saying. Yeah. Keep those stray hairs out of the quickening bin. I have a good friend who's got a company that does a lot of work in the developing world and they have a particular interest in advancing the cause of global health and public health and countries that don't have as many resources as ours and

when the Ebola outbreak happened a couple years ago like he was like in Nigeria for that and I was like holy shit. What is that like yikes and Holy shit, what is that like? Yikes! And I kinda had the same feeling in this episode that like they are walking through these streets in this place that obviously has like way lower sanitation standards than anywhere you typically visit in a Star Trek context.

And I really admired how Bashir and Dax did not exhibit like fearful body language around people. They're just jumping in and helping. They're not worried about catching something, you know. It's aspirational and kind, but also there's no one they've encountered that is asymptomatic. And if you've beamed into a place where everyone has the quickening, If you've beamed into a place where everyone has the quickening, it's okay to betray some nervousness about that. But I think that's taken care fairly early on, because like in Bishir's very brief scan of that first person, he's like, their physiology so different from ours, we're not in any

danger of contracting this. So... And in fact, I should not have given her that injection because that has made it much more painful for her. He's like, the only way you could check this disease is by drinking their urine. Oh, I mean. Oh, no.

Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh.

Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. It was worth it. Somebody unread it was like, where did that whole bishier loves piss thing come from? It didn't come from anywhere man. We fucking made it up. I'm making magic hands right now, man. We just conjured it with my mind. We just figured that out about him.

Yeah. I mean, really, the clues are all there. Yeah. No one has a collection of thermoses and is not also a piss freak. Yeah, yeah. That's what those have in them. That's why they smell so bad at thrift stores.

You ever find a good smelling thermos? You buy it. They carry this lady to this hospital and some orderly scam and they're like, oh, she's quickened. Take her to Trevian. Trevian. And they're like, I thought this was Trevian. Trevian.

They're like, no, no, no, Trevian. Trevian. It's a man hotel, not a place. Trevago. And then Trevian appears and he's like, Porque no less dose. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha does? Yeah, then they put him up on their shoulders and raise him over their heads. Trevian is a Kavorkianing his way through this episode. He's kind of like if Mother Teresa and Jack Kavorkian were one person.

He's Mother Kavorkian. But here's the thing, and this is, I mean, if we're going to talk about what an episode is trying to say, or how it relates to a contemporary issue, like this is an assisted suicide episode. And so Trevian embodies the position of mercy killing because once someone contracts the quickening and their blue spots turn red, that's when the pain sets in and you can die really painfully and it takes a long time to do that. And so Trevian has made a tea. Yeah, he's a mixologist, if you will. He administers a grape coolade to those with the quickening. Yeah. And he's able to hasten their demise, but the way he sees it is that it's compassionate

to do that, because there's no cure to the quickening. He really butts up against Berser because I mean he is an ideal log of of this kind of compassion. In Berser's mind like the thing you do when someone is sick is you do you move heaven and earth to save them and Trevian lives in a in a on a planet and in a context where that is utter foolishness and so they have a major ethical difference of opinion. The way you get to a point where you don't find Trevian evil is because of his life experience

being that he has moved heaven and earth and it didn't do anything. They all tried as hard as they could to cure a thing that they have found to be incurable. And so I think that's why by the end of the story you don't see Trev and there's an evil man. Like if he were truly evil, he would be anti-vax. He would be anti-medicine.

He would be anti-research. But his life experience is just that he's tried everything. And he's like the guy with the morphine on the battlefield. Yeah. Like sometimes field medicine, just all you can do is make someone comfortable. What he explains to them is that this is a gem-hadar project. They resisted colonization or takeover by the dominion and this was done not just as retribution but also as to like set an example for other worlds in the quadrant.

The planet that they live on was not unlike Earth in many ways. They were starting to explore and starting to visit other planets and become an advanced society. This happened to them, and now they are like medieval peasant level of technology. Up in the runabout Kira has scanned the planet and like cross referenced it with the names they have in stellar cartography and it explains by the planet's name is planet look at what you made us do. Yeah. Yeah. Number one, come to a four, number one, come to a four. Number one, come to a four.

What are you doing? What are you doing now? Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!

Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! It doesn't seem in keeping with the founders or the gem-hadar's sensibility about like leaving

anyone alive. It just seems like they would slash and burn and move on. Yeah, because Trevian keeps saying like, don't ever fuck with the dominion or the founders because they'll do this to you. And I don't think we've ever felt like this was one of the potential outcomes of resisting the dominion. Yeah, like has biological warfare been on the table this whole time? I don't know.

It seems like it's on the table now. Yeah, they leave the hospital and they're like back outside hanging out. Dax has discovered where the distress beacon is that that brought them here. And it's just like equipment that happens to still be plugged in in some building that has probably been abandoned for hundreds of years. And the doctors like, all right, let's get out of here. This is a fucking disaster and it's really bumming me out. And as they're making this decision, a young woman walks up to them. And she was in the hospital.

She was, she kind of noticed them, but didn't speak up then. But she comes up and introduces herself. Her name is Acoria. And she has Dax and Bashir set up a clinic in her home. And kind of gets Bashir onto the idea that like hey like you're a doctor like we don't have those We have trevians, you know like we need maybe like a fresh set of eyes, right? I don't know if he around his seems to want to help I do and so like they talk to Kira and they're like

And Kira is like a There's like a pretty good chance that the gem and are gonna come like patrolling around and if they find a runabout in orbit of this planet, it's gonna be trouble. So, she is gonna go take refuge with the runabout in the Jimkata Nebula, which is a Nebula with gymnastics thrills and karate kills. When gymnastics and karate are fused.

So she's just gonna enjoy herself there for like a week and then come back and scoop them up. If there's one person on the show who would enjoy that, it's Major Kira. Totally. I feel like Worf would enjoy gymnastics girls and karate kills. That's fair.

But she really develops an affection for a Coria and he sort of Realizes why he became a doctor to begin with like this is him in his element like he wanted to be a frontier doctor From the pilot episode and here he sits from the pilot episode and here he sits. But one thing that also calls back season one this year is that he gives Akoria an examination by sitting behind her and wrapping his arms around her like he's teaching her how to bowl.

Yeah, or make pottery as a ghost. Yeah, he didn't have to give an exam that way. Dr. Bashishir. Yeah. But this is like a moment for them to bond because a choreo is pregnant and that's concerning on a number of levels. It's because on the planet,

many of these babies are born with the quickening. All babies are born. Everybody's born with it and everybody dies from it. It makes pregnancy kind of a sad thing. And D'Coria is definitely wearing this sadness. And I think that like one thing that they kind of imply, but never say out loud, is that their population is collapsing because so many people die young, that the idea that you would live to an age to reproduce at all is in question. And I would imagine that lots of people choose not to even try in a context like that.

It would seem as though sex could be very painful if you're rubbing blight against itself. Legion on Legion. Yeah, that's no good. But Acoria is given hope in her relationship with Bashir so much so that she decides to bust out her death rations and share them with Dax and Bashir. Death rations are a concept that we're introduced to early on in the episode at the hospital because that's where these are enjoyed. When Trevian gives a person with the quickening, the medicine with which to die, they enjoy all of these nice things that they saved up. And that's like part of the comfort that is given to a patient at the very end. Like they get to

eat all of these nice things, they get to wear all of their best clothes one last time, and then they die. And so like this show that Aikoriya does here by busting out her tins of pickled vegetables and whatever else she's got hidden under her desk. Aikoriya's a hipster and she's just super into canning, you know. Yeah, it proves that she's in it for the long run, and she's willing to sacrifice those rations for a little bit of hope. I read the thing recently that the ancient Egyptian civilization, it lasted like a super long time in terms of what is normal for sophisticated civilizations. One of the theories behind why that is is that when super rich people died, they were buried with all their wealth And like skimming excess wealth off the top of a society as a matter of course, like as a routine

Like stabilized their society for a really long time. Oh, because wealth wasn't generational the way it is now. Yeah, that was an interesting thing. They're really onto something there. Yeah. Good ideas. I don't know. It's the 1% of the Pharaohs that take 99% of the prophets.

The Ferro class. It's Vatulong. The 1% of the Ferros. The one percent of ferals. I think that for all of this episode being about whether physicist-and-resisted suicide is a good thing, it is also about whether or not it is okay to give hopeless people hope. And I think that is kind of like the middle act of this episode is about the sheer starting to get encouraging results from doing science on what's going on here and infecting the people with hope.

And Acoria is the avatar of that feeling of hope. She's a young pregnant woman who is excited about what's happening, and Trevian is very against it, you know. Well, I have none of that hope around here. Yeah. I don't want to be out of a job. Yeah. I mean, unclear what the economics are of death in this society.

Yeah. I mean, unclear what the economics are of death in this society. Yeah. What he seems to be is so cynical that he won't even consider false hope as something viable. Right. You would rather not have even that. Right. As someone who I think has had that many times before and he's had it dashed. He's just a guy like the lights have gone out in his eyes

because he's seen so much death and suffering. He just can't see away around it. He's he's sick and tired of this fool me once situation and has a real like deep difference of opinion with Bashir about what is good for people in in that context. So the idea of of Travian's rejection of this false hope is based on, you know what, it's like not, it's not put in these words, but it seems like charlatans have come and gone before. And it's not just that people have promised things that didn't end up working, it's that people have like profited off of the hope in a way that has cemented the cynicism

that people like Trevian have. And so if Bashir is going to make any of this work, you would imagine at some point he's got to make Trevian into a believer. He's got to make a Coria into a believer. And he's got to make Epirin into a believer too. Loki the most fucked up scene in the episode is how Bashir achieves that, which is like amidst a rabble in the town square, grabs a little kid with a broken arm and cures the broken arm. I bet it hurts.

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Ah! Ha! Yeah, that's why you got to pack a vest. You cannot use the pull-out method. It's not a reliable form of birth control. E-Pran's like first in line here. He tells Bishir he's canceled his death, which I thought was a great turn of phrase. Yeah, he was really looking forward to it. So Bishir has administered some drugs to these people.

And later on that night, Epran's not looking so good. He began by responding well to the treatment, but he's kind of gone downhill. And interestingly enough, a correa has been field promoted to nurse. Like she's helping administer the drugs too. Yeah.

She's like taking a real role in this whole thing. She's like almost PA level. Like she's, she's like administering injections and like doing bedside manner and everything. Yeah. And Epran sort of crashes and he's flopping around and the quickening has quickened. And that's because the because the illness has mutated

and it has to do with their equipment and their equipment's EM fields. Like Bashir runs around and unplugged a bunch of his gear, but it's too late. Epran is dead. RSVPE Pran. If Bashir had brought the ethics aboard of his research institution out to the G-Quad with him,

I think they might have taken exception to them administering the antigen to like a dozen people at a time. Yeah. You need a test subject, right? Not two dozens test subjects? Yeah. Shit goes fucking sideways. And... This scene is terrifying, isn't it? Because everyone's flopping around,

everyone's moaning but sheers name. It is a cascade failure. And I thought that there was, it was so interesting that Trevian and Julian kind of sounded similar in these people's mouths. Because Trevian shows up and it becomes clear that they are actually calling out for him and Wow, he is helping people

Escape the pain of what best years kind of half-cocked research has Led to yeah, I mean whose name are you gonna call out if the pain that has been promised to you From everyone that you know and love is finally there. You're probably calling for Trevian. You're right. It's a terrifying scene. It's, I think, beautifully lit, very scary makeup on the sick characters. We don't talk a lot about Alexander Siddick as an actor, but I think his ability to react to this moment is well done. Like, this is the worst thing a doctor can experience on a scope that we haven't seen in the show.

Yeah. And it's awful to watch him go through. Like, it is seems like this that make me feel sure that doctor is not my calling in life because this is like such a terrifying idea, you know. Like I want to stay well clear of making decisions that lead to 12 people dying all at once. I'm not an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an idiot. I'm an failure to the degree that Bashir and Dax should leave. Bashir is standing in this room and what were people suffering from this illness

are now mummies. They're all wrapped in death shrouds and Bashir is standing among their corpses, talking to Dax about like, fuck, like it wasn't even, it was like, some like my equipment being here around them is the thing that caused this. He's fighting this mental battle on three fronts, right?

He feels awful about not being able to stop the blight like he thought he would. He regrets offering the false hope that he gave them, even though everyone was cautioning him against offering that. And then he sort of regrets his own arrogance, which is it's so personal to him. Like you almost cannot separate the arrogance from Dr. Bashir. And so it's almost as if he regrets being who he is. I wanted Kira to pick us up and maybe like yep, solve a planetary crisis all by myself. Yeah, that insight horrifies him.

And all three of these things add up to how he's feeling. And I love Dax's advice in that moment because she says like, yeah, there was arrogance in thinking that you could just find the cure really quickly. But it's even more arrogant to think there isn't a cure just because you couldn't find it. It really knocks him on his ass. So, so like his last moment on the planet is him going to see this mural, which is a mural that Echoria's late husband painted of an image of this planet before it was laid waste in the way it is, like it kind of idealized like image

from the past. And he's like checking it out and she starts talking to him over his shoulder and he turns around and realizes that she has gone red. She's got the quickening. But is not resentful, you know? Like she was there in the most horrifying moment of this experience and she's like feeling like the future wasn't totally fucked for a few days was actually great, you know, like it was worth it just for that, for the feeling that I experienced. When people describe their friends and family as being brave, for being diagnosed with a mortal disease. I feel like more often than not,

this is what that's describing. Yeah. And I think it is a correa that gives Bixir permission to stay behind. Like Bixir and Dax go up to the run about, but Bixir makes it clear that he's got to stay behind. His job isn't over. I thought this was such an interesting moment because this where are 34 minutes into a 44 minute episode.

Yeah. At this point. Yeah. The timing of this is wild. And this is where a character heads home and and grapples with the horror of what they've experienced or whatever in 9.9 out of 10 television episodes. And because like the flow of time in this episode has not been, it's not been real time, but it's been like a consistent rate of speed, I feel like. And then after this point, what happens

it takes place over a course of like weeks and months, I think. Oh, really? Yeah, like this, like the first 34 minutes of this episode happened over the course of one week. And then the last 10 minutes happened over like several weeks. Oh, and the only reason you know that is because at the very end, you see the pylon has been reattached to deep space nine.

It's funny to like so we beam down to the surface with bishir and it's like bishir and for suitcases. Yeah, he's got all the pelicans of medical equipment. And he is redoubling himself in the effort to solve this problem. And Echuria is bishir's only patient. Like we had a wide angle on this problem for 30-ish minutes, like you say. But now we are just in Echuria's home.

And if it's going to get solved, it's gonna get solved here and with her. It's back to basics. It's Dr. Quinn style medicine that he's practicing and You know everything has to be without technology. He's like doing he's listening to her chest through like a old Timy stethoscope device. He's checking her her blood and discovers that like the antigen is not even present in her blood anymore which is confounding, but an important piece of information.

And we've got a deadline here, right? Yeah. Because Echoria isn't going to live long enough to see the baby through to term. And that's a problem if they want this baby to live. She's got six weeks left, but he could induce in two If you can keep her alive until then and that's the thing that gives you the timeline I think more than anything is is that you eventually see this baby born right this year should have grown the beard, right? That would have been great. Yeah, if he was like scraggly by the time they came back and got him

I would have loved that he's done it before he's done it, yeah, if he was like scraggly by the time they came back and got him. I would have loved that. He's done it before. He's done it before, yeah. I mean, I think it's interesting that he focuses on making sure that the baby is okay first, but like, the idea here is that Bashir has basically left Starfleet for all intents and purposes, like he has dedicated his life to solving the problem on this planet. You know, until you said that, that was not clear to me, but it's true. It's absolutely true. He basically left his combat on the runabout. Right. And has has made an arrangement to like call

for pickup when he has solved the problem. Like he is, right. It's like dark night rises when problem. Like he is, it's like dark night rises when Bruce Wayne realizes that he can't escape the pit when he's got the rope tied around his waist. Like the rope is the thing that's holding it back. Indeed. So he holds on and there's an interesting scene where Acoria wakes up in the middle of the night and Trevian is there and he's like, he's putting like mustard on her forehead. I did. Is that what you want? I can end your suffering.

That's unconcensual mustard. Yeah. Ben, I don't think anyone wants to wake up that way. Like, you wake up and it's the angel of death, Trivian. Trivian. Trivian is like the oldest dude on this planet. Like everybody's like blown away at how long he's lived with this illness.

And he pitches her in this moment like, hey, I know you're really uncomfortable right now. And I've got ideas about how to help you with that w slash r slash t drinking poison would have helped if trevian being was kind in his uh... medical

administrations because there's like i've been watching a lot of deadwood lately and the doctor in deadwood is like but dragled and drunk and angry at a circumstance. He really is because he's seen a lot of death and it frustrates him and it frustrates him when he sees people kill each other senselessly. But he's also inherently kind at the same time and I felt like that might have been missing. Like he is killing these people but it's mercy.

Like kindness and mercy go together but he only has one of those ingredients. Yeah. I think this episode acknowledges that about him. The concept of bedside manner has to be elucidated. He is expressing the only kind of kindness he knows which is an extremely limited mercy killing form of kindness he knows, which is an extremely limited, mercy-killing form of kindness. Yeah. Be sure to walk in on them and, uh, and steps the musterding.

Yeah. Kind of scares him away. Like he has the conversation with Trivian Trabin. Trabin? We've been wanting to see had the entire time, which is why it's death the only thing you focus on or care about. Right. And, you know, Trevian's deal is that like the long life I've had, the shit I've seen,

like this is the most humane way to deal with the way life is for me and my people. Yeah, he's a doctor with a thousand mile stair, but he leaves without Ustonizing a Coria and the next scene is her having her baby There's some pushing there's some breathing gotta do that there's catching. Yeah, and she's like in a weird, she's in a weird angle. I feel like. He looks like he's working on her feet. Yeah, not everybody keeps their genitalia

in the same place, Captain. Oh yeah, that could be it. Also, she does look like she's sitting in a chair in the shots of her. Yeah. And it's like, where's this baby coming out from? A moment of light in a very dark episode is that the baby comes out and it's blight-free.

Blight-free baby. And they have that moment in the town square where Trevian, like Lion King's this baby. Yeah, in front of everyone. She gets like her last moment alive is finding out that her baby doesn't have the blight. Yeah. And then it is trivians trophy to hold up. Travians, like you mind if I,

I'm just gonna reach in, I'll just, okay, it looks like you did. This shot is amazing. It looks like it's a crane on a dolly. Yeah. Because it ends on Bir, kind of standing in some ruins, watching this from a remove. And it's really great. This whole composition is great.

The way he's framed kind of implies that he is isolated from them. And also not really there to take the credit for what he has done. Exactly. Yeah, he's been so wounded by the deaths of everyone early in the episode and the deaths to come because all this does is solve the future problem. And this is something that the button of the episode interrogates because Cisco greets Bishir with gratitude. But Bishir can't really relish any of those good feelings because he's sad about those that he's lost and he knows that basically everyone he met there is dead.

The babies are the only ones that are safe going forward. The next forward generation like from the moment he sat foot on that planet going forward are the only people that have a hope of surviving. Yeah. And he's gone home with the problem of trying to solve the virus problem remotely and it gives the impression that it's going to be an obsession of his. It's a purek victory. Yeah. Did you like the episode Adam? Yeah, I really did. I thought it was great. It was nice to have one with Bishir again.

I thought getting back to what we were describing before, this set was fantastic and it was really like the high point in the season as far as sets go. Yeah. Almost wish that like they could have used this for other episodes. It was so good and developed and detailed. It was star-worsy in its quality. It's not just exteriors, or it's not just one main interior that's a big room. There are areas of interiors here that are all dressed uniquely.

It just shows such an attention to detail that it's just impossible to sustain in a 26 episode season. So when you get it, you really appreciate it. I mean, it's so much more detailed and developed than any exterior scene we ever got in TNG. And it's just so spectacular. It feels like it's an exterior worthy of a multi-episode arc.

You know? It's that level and the fact that it is just one episode is amazing, which is to say nothing of the story that is told using it. Like it is, it's well conceived and well suited to the story. The episode that I'm thinking of is the one from TNG where data wakes up on that planet with the radioactive material. Yeah. And as to save the people there, like this is a type of Star Trek story.

Right. Where you're on a planet surface and you're there to save. This is not the courtyardification of an outdoor set that TNG often resorted to. Nor is it the happy ending that episodes of that era had. To end on a darker note here, I think, shows a maturity that would continue. This feels momentous in a way, this episode. Yeah. So I really liked it. Sounds like you did too.

Yeah, I really did do. Yeah, this is an episode that I have always remembered from my first watch-through of Deep Space 9. And that was a watch-through that was not complete by any means. But I've always remembered this episode is being particularly good. And I could never remember where in the order it came. But yeah, this is a particularly good episode in a show that has really come into its own, I think. Yeah, you know you got basically a war movie into the death in the episode that came before and then this the show takes a right hand turn into

Kind of a classic story told really well. It feels like a interesting part in this series's development. I feel like great music in the last couple of Uses like that episode in this episode both felt like the music was really on a new level. Yeah. Well, one place we tend to play music in every episode is the reading of our priority one message. Is Ben, you want to get to those? Yeah, let's do it. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. You need a supplement? A supplement? A supplement lung. Supple lung. Yes, extra. The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship. Ben, our first priority one message is from Elizabeth and it is to David.

And the message goes like this. Congratulations on completing your doctorate in classics. Wow. We survived. I am so proud of you and I'm looking forward to spending the rest of my life with such a smart and knowledgeable husband. I love you so much, even more than Star Trek. What? Find it hard to believe that anybody loves anything more than they love Star Trek.

Elizabeth has a great capacity for love, it seems. And David seems pretty lucky. Wow, doctorate in classics. I hope Elizabeth is also rich. Yeah, because she'll know how to live life as the partner of somebody raking it in in the classics racket. Uh-huh.

Yeah, congratulations, David. Good job. I you and To you both actually. Yeah, get it done. That sounds great as a person who Has a partner who has gotten a higher degree? I can feel that pain. You know like the the struggle of the struggle of going and getting it done. It's a big deal. So congrats to both of you. It's best when you have a great partner, seeing it through.

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Drunk Shimoda! We talked about it a little bit earlier. It's that street magic scene with Bixir. Like Bixir is desperate at this point. He's got to somehow prove to the village that he has medical prowess. How do you do it? You need to do something flashy and public.

And so he, he am become miracle worker. Yeah. He isn't gross about it because he doesn't like, hold his arms up in the air and say like, I'm Dr. Bashir, I've come to save you. Like he lets the kid tell the story. And I think that's classy. But as far as a Shimoda move goes,

doing street magic is Shimoda to me. And in an episode that was fairly dark, that was a moment of, if not levity, that was a moment of light that I seized on to. So I had a hard time choosing a Shimoda So I've made that one mine. What about you? Yeah, I mean that scene is the is the Shimoda scene my Shimoda is Ipran I almost felt like bishir was paying Ipran off in that scene

Because like he like he like marches over and really like makes a big show of leaning over the kid and looking really closely at the laser when when Bashir is a. He brands the guy that does that wins three card Monty in order to get the tourist to play three card Monty. Yeah, he was totally, he was totally a plant in the audience in a way that was totally like, I, you know, obviously not not not with the writers intended. And I don't think that that's what is intended in the performance. But I think the camera direction just to keep E-Pran as like an interested observer for whom this will be an impressive display who then, you know,

goes and goes and shows up later to become one of the sheers victims is just a staging of his characters is so hilarious to me that he got my charada. He pran played by Dylan Hagerty. I think just deserves to be named. He does a lot of work in this episode. Yeah. And I think he's really good in it.

Yeah, he's a he's a that guy. You know, we named him. We should probably name Ikori. That was Ellen Wheeler. And Boishi and Dylan, like really, they are above the title actors in this episode. They were great. Yeah, really good. I got that, got that cool press. I got that, got that, got that cool press.

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