The Greatest Generation - Mount Allamaraine (DS9 Series Wrap-up)

Episode Date: February 8, 2021

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I'm Adam Pryanaka. This is the last greatest generation Deep Space 9 episode, huh? This is it. Unless they bring it back, they could bring it back as a new Star Trek. Which was breaking episode 1 of this mythical season 8. Deep Space 10. Would they call it Deep Space 10? I don't think that would be the title. No.

I was just queuing our, uh, our previous episode, not out yet as of this record, but, uh, about to come out. Yeah. The epa, I spent all week editing. Yeah. The, you spent like two weeks editing that thing. It was a biggest. The fans and I hugely appreciate the effort.

It was a no small task at all. I appreciate your appreciation. Your service is noted. What? What's... You didn't thank a service as whole. One thing that hit me that I don't think I said on the show is that I took an entire bottle of champagne to the dome over the course of recording that. Yeah, I did too. I thought that was the deal. I was hammered by the end.

Yeah, I like I was like listening back to it and I was like, oh my god, I am just loopy in the in the end credits. There was a part of the app where you said that I had I had outpaced you in the champ's drinking department. And I was surprised to hear it. I think I must have tried to catch up. Ordinarily, and I believe this to be true, I think you'll agree. I'm a drinking man, I'm sure you'll agree.

I drink my milkshake. You're a faster drinker than me. I tend to be kind of a slowpoke. Yeah, I'm a fast consumer of everything. Like, I don't know why. I just, it comes from your time in prison, right? I eat fast, I drink fast. I think that the main reason is that I like,

I like the food or drink at the temperature it's served at. Oh, you know what that probably means that you're a frequent mouth burner than, huh? I am. Absolutely. But like, piping hot food is a thing I really prize. And like, I don't want my plate to like not be piping hot by the end, you know. Are you a plate heater? I have gotten into that since our buddy, the goose, advocated for it on his YouTube channel,

like putting the plates in the microwave or whatever. Yeah, I would recommend the microwave because I thought I was a plate heater until I forget some plates in the oven. Oh no. Like, what's great is like you forgot some plates in the oven. Oh no. Like, what's great is like you put your plates in the oven and then you prepare your meal and then you forget you put plates in the oven so you get cold plates like you always do. And then a couple hours later when you're cleaning up dinner, you remember you have extremely hot plates in the oven. That's how I do it.

Yeah, yeah. That's not the way to do it. I had a couple of news items for the top of the show here today. First is I was on an episode of Hushacha. Speaking of partaking in alcohol, we reviewed a film called... You're using all your extra time. We reviewed a film called Another Round that stars Mads Michelson and is in Danish and has a cast of Danish actors and it's about a

bunch of like dudes that teach at a high school who decide to run an experiment about what if we were just drunk all the time? Wow. That sounds like a comedy, is it not? It's got elements of comedy and elements of drama. Because Mads Mikkelson is in it, I just assume comedy. Right, yeah, exactly. It's, yeah, it's so funny, because I really strongly associate him with like, Lachief.

He is a villain in most of his western, or most of his American roles, but, uh, he's got resting villain face. Yeah, I think in Denmark, he's just like, uh, every man, like, dad, kind of character. That's great. Yeah. He's, he's, he's the Danish Michael Groes.

Yeah. So, uh, so that was really fun. If you haven't listened to Who Shatchya, check that out. And also, really big news. Do you get down to the bottom of Who Shatchya? And that up? Or is that just an ongoing question? That never gets into it.

Yeah, that's kind of like, you know, one of those mysteries on Lost, where like, kind of never opening up the mystery box is part of the premise of the show. I see, that's what keeps them coming back. We have to go back, Kate. But the other thing I wanted to announce is that there is a new fan-made video game on a Grey's Gen theme. Did you see this?

I did not. Why don't you hit me to it? I haven't really been on the internet much. Two tours ago, I want to say. Somebody came through the merch line and gave us some t-shirts, and the one I went home with is an Echo Papa 607 like custom t shirt that looks like. I remember that shirt. Galaga or space invaders or something. Yeah. One of those one of those video games where the aliens come down from the top, but it's ecopapa 607s and riker shooting phasers at them. And that's a great shirt. I posted a selfie of me wearing this shirt and said, I love this shirt and I wish I could play it. And somebody actually made the game. I made a bit Lee for it.

It's bit.ly slash 607 TGG. And you can find this game. Try to be Ben's high score. I dare you. What is your three, what's your three letter high score name in the game, Ben? I mean, take one look at me. What do you think it is, Adam?

Ask. USA. Oh, right. Yeah, I should have known. I should have known from all the flags in your background. You're clearly filming other videos besides greatest-gen videos. Yeah. When I'm not doing this, I'm hosting a right-wing Colin talk show. I'm sure you're great at that. Yeah, I mean, my heart's not in it, but it pays the bills, buddy. I don't think any of their hearts are in it.

It's a weird world. Oh, geez, is it already... Porch beer at clock? I mean, it's a Friday, you know. I haven't had any beer in the house in like months. I drank the last of the beer and then I didn't get anymore. That is so unusual for you. You're usually a really well-stocked beverage man. Yeah, now it's just the hard stuff and drugs.

Well, so what we're going to do is we're going to do a drink and we're going to do a drink. Yeah, now it's just the hard stuff and drugs. Okay. Well, so what we're gonna do today is not review an episode, but just kind of like look back on the series of Deep Space 9. Yeah. And you know, talk about the highs, the lows, the memories, the things we've forgotten.

This is a lot like the journey's end episode of TNG that that Frakes hosted. We're just kind of sontras around the bridge, turning to camera, like spitting some facts and then showing some clips. It never happened. I feel like the novice would do a great job at that, but she's also above doing it in a way.

Yeah, I believe that, but also, God, I would love to watch that episode, that hypothetical episode. Yeah, I kind of thought about firing up what we left behind one more time, just to like, because I was kind of looking for that. I think that like, we mentioned that we did a what you left behind episode of the greatest generation, and that's in the donor feed, right? Yeah, yeah. I was mostly wanting to rewatch that today because I was like looking through a pile of Wikipedia articles and memory alpha articles and like reread episode. We really fucked it up watching that documentary months ago instead of now, aka the perfect time to watch a retrospective documentary about the show you make a podcast about.

Jesus Christ. Fucking awful shit. Yeah, we are not smart men. We're so dumb. But also, I just felt like I was trying to remember Deep Space Nine, and I think part of it is that we watched it at half speed relative to how we watched the next generation. Yeah, we really slammed TNG.

And part of it is just that I watched so much TNG as a child that I can recall so much detail about it in a way that I just can't with Deep Space 9. But what do you say? Do you want to get into it? Yeah, let's do that. I think a good place to start might be what you introduced, which was the idea of a show's place in your life. Do you realize how incredible this is? No, of course you do.

Now that we have watched the first... Now that we've watched TNG and DS9 back to back, the way that we have, Now that we've watched TNG and DS9 back to back the way that we have, are your feelings about the series any different to the extent that, you know, for that nice warm glass of nostalgia milk? Are you ever going to reach for the jug of DS9? Are you still going to go back to TNG for that? I think that deep phase 9 will never be to me what TNG is, but I really enjoyed this rewatch.

And I think that it's an eminently rewatchable show. I follow the Star Trek subreddit, and I see people going on there all the time and saying, hey, I'm just getting into deep space 9 for the first time. Wow, I can't believe this. And like that's such a cool thing that this show has stood the test of time in that way. And I think like it maybe stands the test of time

better than TNG in some ways. Because of its themes probably. Yeah, a more contemporary theme. A darker, edgy, or type of storytelling. I guess it's partly that and partly just that like, it seems even when deep space 9 like really goes off the rails, which it does a few times. It seems like it had like kind of a more cohesive idea of what it could be from the beginning. And I feel like TNG spent like two entire seasons,

like giving itself lots of opportunities to mess around and think of ideas for the kind of show it could be. Do you think it was easier or harder to create stories in DS9 that it was for TNG? Because I was really thinking a lot about the nature of the Federation in both series and comparing them in the way that's like TNG, Starfleet is a very, how can I help you kind of Federation where this is like a confident, self-actualized group that sort of like realizes it's utopia and it appreciates the way it was able to advance to this point while managing to avoid destroying itself in the process. But DS9 is like on that knife set, right? Where like it's constructivist while still like being very defensive because it's very like town on the edge of

the frontier feeling like. So you got to to circle the wagons around the space station and try to hold this thing together that's very fragile. It feels like a society that's more able to destroy itself or be willing to destroy itself or be subject to that destruction from outsiders in a way that that wasn't nearly the case in TNG. Yeah. I mean, I think that they both kind of hint at the other in certain ways. Like, there are always like evil admirals popping up

in TNG and there's there are existential threats to earth and the social order and stuff in that. And then also like in these days, and you're always hearing like about other people's perspectives on the federation and starfleet and what they mean and how like they may not have as great a an image in other people's minds as as they have in their own minds. And that's like a perspective we've always really valued like in wrath of Khan when David Marcus is talking about

Kirk is like a swashbuckling military man. It's like, it's such a different idea than what Kirk thinks of himself as. Like Kirk is swashbuckling and daring and kind of hawkish, but he thinks of himself as an explorer like that. Like Kirk is swashbuckling and daring and kind of hawkish, but he thinks of himself as an explorer like that. Right. I thought a lot about safety and deep space nine in a different way.

Like on TNG, you're on a ship and rarely will the enemy be on board that ship. You know, they're to safe remove. They're on the other side of the view screen. And it felt so different to be on board that ship? You know, they're to safe remove. They're on the other side of the view screen. And it felt so different to be on the station where people can come and go and you don't know what their motivations are ever and they could be sitting right next to you at Quark's bar

at any point or gambling at the Davo table. Like it's the danger is far more present that way. Yeah. I was just scrubbing through an episode and looking at ops and thinking about the transporter pad being right there in ops and how different that is. Like the bridge is this like very special place on the D and like when people come on who aren't authorized

to be there, you hear about it. And they're beaming like refugees from the gamma quadrant into ops on this show. And that's a that's a visual language too, right? Because you're made to turn around and look behind you, which is like a very instinctual, human need to protect yourself from a threat or a predator, right? Yeah, and that permeability that the station is kind of an open space that anything could happen on is baked into just like the way they thought about how to build the set.

Right. Yeah. I mean, it was a decision they ended up regretting about three quarters of the way through when they just ignored the apps. They stopped using apps all together. There are a lot of things that really changed about the show over the course of it. I think that when they first sent a ship into the Gamma Quadrant, there was this idea that it was like another frontier, another like, you know, every town is going to be different and it's another opportunity for us to visit Planet of the Week and this one is weird in this way and we will solve their problem in this way. And also, like those planets come to visit us. They had both dynamics in those first couple of seasons, but like, you know, like,

toss the character that gets hunted for sport. I am tossed. And like the mussely red and white freaks that Quirk tries to like set up a trading concession with. If you really want a hundred thousand vats of Tulaberry wine, I can put you in touch with the right people. Those guys are great. Like they're all these monsters the week.

And by the end, like they have been swept aside and you've got founders, Vorda, Gemhadar, and like one or two victim species of the dominion. The dominion. What's that? It's almost like a different kind of quadrant at that point. Like because it feels like there's that those like early episodes where like you hear the word dominion mentioned. It's just kind of like, oh, I wonder what that could be.

It's almost mysterious. And then by the end, it's like, oh, everybody in the G quad has the dominion's boot heel on their neck and it's everywhere and everything. I think that's also related to the theme of safety that I was talking about before. Like every space station we've ever seen, every star base we've ever seen

and Star Trek has been so enormous, so full of ships. It's probably one of the safest places in the universe to be is a space station or a star base. And then here we are on deep space nine, which doesn't have any of those qualities, except for size, I guess. I mean, it's not going to be as big as a star base, but like, right, it has, it has the size benefit, but it's still for all of its torpedoes feels like a target. Yeah, and it feels like delicate in a way that a star base doesn't. Like if you, if you're like flying your ship through the garage doors and they're closing behind you, you're like protected.

But deep space night and you're just like exposed. It's thin, it's wispy. It feels like. You can trip over the bulkhead on any walk. Yeah. The accessibility issues are many and various. Right, right. It's, yeah.

Another place they kind of stop going at a certain point is the G-Quad. They stop going to Ops, but also when those mines go across the opening of the wormhole, we're stuck in the Alpha Quadrant for basically the rest of the series. We go once or twice after that. The mine as a technology was such a great introduction to the war story. I thought that was really cool. I did too, but I wondered in the writers' room if it felt like, okay,

well, we've just kind of chained ourselves to the idea of resolving this huge myth arc before we could ever do any monster the weak stuff again that isn't just you know, bejewarshit or whatever. So I think once you come up with the construction of the dominion and the races associated with it, I wonder to what extent as a creator on the show, you feel satisfied enough to rest, right? Having created them and knowing that they're going to be the baddies for the rest of the series. Like, I think one of the reasons that you write science fiction is to create interesting species. And there was a point in the show where they

kind of stopped going into the G quad in order to introduce them to us, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I wonder if that's love related. Like the dominion are an amazing construction. And a great opposition and a Star Trek story. They're kind of like the Borg, but with feelings. Right. Yeah. I mean, it's amazing that they've, one of the most amazing things about Star Trek is that they kept coming up with interesting counterpoints to what the Federation is. The Klingons, the Romulans, the Borgs, the Fereny, now the Dominion, they kept coming up with really interesting, like, complex, well-thought-out, non-feteration-style star empires. And I would really love for Star Trek, Colin Picard, or some other new Trek thing to

process some of this like end of the Damanian war stuff because I really wonder about it like what are the founders about now that they've been defeated what what happens to the Gemadar or the Vorta like do they go back to just being a G quad empire or does their empire fall entirely what a great question because this conflict was more significant than the Federation of the Klingon War. The most significant conflict in the history of the Federation maybe. It was as existential as anything else we know about, right? It's between that and the Borgs. I would say like more so than the Klingon war. Yeah.

And I wonder what the significance is, like, I don't know, this might be harder to deal with, but the significance of Cisco becoming a prophet, like merging with the wormhole at the end. And that's another thing I really wanted to talk about was the role of religion plays in the way they tell stories over the course of the series because the major religion is like the rare religion that gets proven kind of true. sides of terrestrial contemporary religion, and especially contemporary to when the show was coming out when all that like culture war was really raging. And boy, am I glad the culture war is over. Well, yeah, but like that specific flavor of culture war, that like Clinton, W. Bush, like, access of like, we're about morals and values and you are not

kind of religious proselytizing. Like, say what you will about the right wing. They are like willing to abandon a position when it stops seeming plausible. And morals and values is not something I've heard to anybody in the Republican Party mention in like 10 years. But like at that time, like, you know, Kai Wynne was like a perfect baddie who, you know,

like fucked up Keko's shit because she wasn't teaching religion in the schools and stuff. And like, and the show was like processing stuff like that. And I think by the end, it's much more like, this is just a sci-fi religion that doesn't, like, isn't a conversation about contemporary religion. And as much. It was so interesting because it wasn't an interfaith conflict but an intra-religious conflict between people

who occupy the same religious faith. I think that's what made the way that they told the story on DS9 so interesting. Right. Yeah. Like Kira being probably the person in the main cast with the most fully developed spirituality and also probably the person that hates Kai win the most. Right, right. That might be a good segue into a question I wanted to pose, which was, who was the the best slash worst bad guy on DS9. Wow. I have four on my mount villain more. And I'm finding it very difficult to decide which is the baddest of them all. We've got Kai Wynne who we talked about.

You don't approve of how I conduct myself as Kai. I think we can agree is not just a great antagonist on this series, but maybe an olive star trek, one of the greats. Goldukah, obviously. I think it is time to reestablish a permanent Kaddasian presence aboard this station. Change leader, I think, belongs on the mountain. They are dead.

You're dead. Kaddasia is dead. Your people will doom the moment they attacked us. And then the fourth, I had kind of a split between Weyun and Brunt. You've... No, I've been watching you. People like you that give honest,

for renegade business what a bad thing. As both kind of occupying like the, like the Yinn and the Yang of one great actor's work, acting very differently as antagonists. Yeah. In a very satisfying way. Really great villains on this show. And not simple villains either.

Right. It's amazing that they had such great villains and also like didn't ever quite figure out how to use quark and whether he should be a villain or not. Right. Because he did awful things and yet the show time and time again forgave those things and forgot about them. Yeah. I was going back through stuff, and we were talking about how the wrap-up of Quark's story and the penultimate episode is almost exactly like an episode in season one.

The episode that introduces the Negas is also the one that introduces the idea that Quark would succeed him and become the leader of Frank and R. And also it introduces the idea that the Negus had a son, which I completely forgot. That was a character. I feel like they abandoned the idea that there might be like a patrilineal negacies or anything. But also like, like, think about the episode where Ron and Quirk go home and discover that their mom and the negas are knocking boots, like if they'd gotten together in a bar with the the negas's son and been like, oh, this is the worst, right? Patrilineal negacies.

Patrilineal negacies. I wanna do a linguistic exercise before I get on stage for a live show. Just saying that over and over again. I'm in the corner saying red leather, yellow leather, and you're saying patrilineal, legacy. Yeah. It's quite a mouthful. I wonder if they chose not to do that son of nega story because it was running concurrently

with a picked up and then set down Alexander and Worf storyline. Yeah. Yeah, Alexander does really get forgotten, doesn't he? and then set down Alexander and Warf storyline. Yeah. Yeah, Alexander does really get forgotten, doesn't he? Like, I think that there's one. That's what Alexander is for on Star Trek. Yeah, I think there's one like, spoken reference to him in season seven.

And it's just like, yeah, Verdi's doing really great in the Klingon military. He made a assistant manager. Yeah. He is not as bad at it as he was when that was a storyline. Right. The writers abandoned him just as badly as Worf did. That's what I'm saying.

They abandoned his boy. I'm shocked that that DAX ever self-warurf as a worthy companion for the long term. Wurf must have been great at fucking because that's kind of the only way I could explain it. I have to reverse my dance state. I don't use the bucket anymore. Another thing I thought a lot about over the course of this was the way they used like changeling paranoia and how much it changed over the course of the series because there's like a like right in the middle of the, I feel like is when it really peaks, you know, there's that two episode arc where they go to Earth

and there's the evil Admiral and O'Brien as a shapeshifter. We're smarter than solids, we're better than you and most importantly, we do not fear you the way you fear us. They're installing phasers over the door in every room to like sweep the rooms periodically to make sure that there aren't any jugs of water that are actually spying on them. We never got that berry on sweep episode if someone locked in their quarters, climbing up the wall in the corner in order to avoid it. I know. And like, I think that that is such a tempting emotion

to play with as a writer, but I kind of feel like it just got out of hand. And they were like, well, this show is just going to be 100% paranoia and changeling hunts all the time. If we don't just kind of like set this down and walk away from it at some point But I wish they'd done like a better job of like solving for that, you know Yeah, it felt like a mini arc that could have been expanded into a capital A arc. Yeah

for longer But I think that's I think that's what you were saying though is once you introduced The idea of that kind of paranoia I think maybe part of our problem is that the paranoia was never solved. It was never resolved in a way that It removed it. It was ignored instead and that's not how you Correct for paranoia. That's not how paranoia works. That's not how any of this works correct for paranoia. That's not how paranoia works. It's not how any of this works. Have you ever forgotten about your personal paranoia and that actually worked? I might be the one person that could, you know, I just like, I'd forget about it and then like weeks or months later, my wife would remind me of it and then I'd be like, fuck, I'm worried again.

Yeah, that's what your special person is therefore. weeks or months later, my wife would remind me of it and then I'd be like, fuck, I'm worried again. Yeah, that's what your special person is there for. Hey, are you still worried about that thing that it seems like you recently got over? Well I am. I am a new. Are you finished? Finished. Let's talk about Captain Cisco, one of the great Star Trek captains. Yeah, I think we can say that now, right?

I think so, yeah. And even though he left his fiance and his beloved son and their unborn child by jumping off a cliff with Golducat. I mean, it had to be done. He had to take that motherfucker out. He was about to, he was about to coast emoji in the entire galaxy. That would have been no good. I want to talk about that moment a little bit. Okay.

In a way that I don't think we really dove into in the finale episode. It happens so fast, right? Yeah. Golducats holding the book. Cisco hits the mini tramp. Takes them over the side into the flames. I think a lot of other series would insert a pregnancy in the moment that allowed for our main character to consider the sacrifice.

But because it's so instinctual and happens so fast, I think you lose the sacrificial element of what Cisco does in that moment. And I think a greater sense of that sacrifice might serve him better, especially because in the scene that follows, the Cisco has become a little more detached and woo-woo with a little bit more space, Jesus Eve. Yeah, in a way that doubles down on his lack of consideration in that initial moment. I wonder how much they played with that tension. Right. These earthly cares don't matter to him at that point.

It makes it seem more hurtful in the white space than maybe they intended. Yeah. I mean, I know that they really like worried over how to have that play. And it's also kind of amazing to think about it being a double episode and then not really having time for him to process the, you know, the fact that he is making a huge sacrifice. But the story threads are so weird, right? Because it's like, they're having like a party in the hollow suite. Well, coast, emoji, and dukot is killing. Kai win like the. And then, and then just go is like, alright, well, this has been a fun party,

but I got to go. If Cassidy had been like, like Chloe back at, at C.T.U. helping him, helping him find Ducat. And, and ROM could be like Edgar. ROM would be Edgar. I'm going to go do a sideplot. I was gassed at work. I mean, like that's not really the role that Cassidy hates plays in any other context. So it would have been really hard to write her toward a moment like that.

But I wish that they, I wish that I agree with you that it would have been nice for them to communicate or for Jake and Ben to communicate before he did that. That it. The finale was so good at tying up so many loose ends and giving every character their moment of resolution that it is, it remains bizarre to me that that's how the main characters story ends. While, you know, Cassidy is holding an unborn child that is half-profit in her, and there is never any suggestion that there could be something special brewing in there, right? Like there's never like

the tap on the belly. No. Like what if it were Cassidy that goes up to the gazing window with Jake at the end and when the when the the wormhole opens little baby kicks? What does it mean? Yeah, what then? What if when Ben Sisko comes out of the wormhole, it is via childbirth and he is actually born as Cassidy's baby. This is all like extremely on the nose stuff, but at least it is a punctuation in a way that, like one thing about Deep Space Nine that so many people appreciate is that it does resolve cleanly, that it does give everyone the ending, and then there is really no suggestion of it coming back ever. Like, that is something that people have written about. It's nice. It just ends, and it ends completely, and it will never return.

And yeah, I get that, but I don't know. We're made to love and care about Cassidy and Jake so much during the series that I'm left to worry about them instead of feel like they're going to be okay. Do you think that there was some idea that maybe there was going to be a handful of feature films for this cast, so they wanted to write an end that left options for that. I never read that that was ever on the table.

Yeah. Did you find anything out about that? No, I mean, I know that fans have been asking, like every time a cast member of this show is on a day is somewhere, they get asked about it and are like, it's not happening. We're all way past that at this point. But I wonder if they just wanted to like hold out

some hope because I mean like when did first contact come out? That was pretty successful, right? Sure it was. 96. Contact come out that was pretty successful, right? Sure it was 96. It's hard to make a Star Trek movie that doesn't include the Enterprise, you know? Yeah, and it's hard to imagine what a D-Face 9 movie would have been or it could have been. Like I think the setting lends itself much better to television than it does film. Or a B story in an A story that involves a starship.

I guess what I'm saying is like there's some vanity potentially in that, you know, like the writers saying like, well, we don't want to, we don't want to paint ourselves into a story corner. Like I kind of think that's why no main cast members by the farm in the last episode, you know? Because if you like kill Odo or kill Chief O'Brien or Pira or or any of them, you know, then it's like, okay, like now we're going to do, now we're going to do a Star Trek movie and it's and it's Kirk and it's Spock and not McCoy, you know? I mean, you say that that the show doesn't kill anyone, but I mean, does Cisco not die? Does Odo not die?

Are these not characters going away never to come back? I think that- Contemporarily. Cisco for sure is coming back and like you maybe have like an interesting film in like new problem of existential nature is influencing the alpha quadrant and the only man that we can think of to help is Odo. So we got to go to the G quad to get him. And then you know Odo is like, give me a fucking break.

I'm enjoying life floating in this lake all the time. I don't need you. He's part gonna run about on that little, uh, that little oasis rock. And, uh, like, they just dunk a ladle in. Nope. Not him. No. Not him either. Yeah, but she's like, let me taste some of this and see if I can

identify him. It's a question of filtration. What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing now? I was watching, uh, there are a number of these available to anyone who just wants to burn an entire afternoon, but like just clips of the show, people's favorite clips. Yeah. And one of the clips that popped up repeatedly was that conversation between Quark and Garrick about the nature of the federation and their relationship to it and root beer as the comparison. Yeah.

It's so bubbly, clawing, and happy. Just like the federation. People like this scene for a lot of good reasons. It's a great scene between two very interesting characters talking about their place in the universe. But I wondered why this concept wasn't worth returning to during and after the Dominion war, right? Yeah.

Like, because Quark and Garrick are talking about their place in this machine, they don't really find a comfortable spot in it one way or the other. They sort of resent the federation stink all over everything. It's insidious. I wonder if it was worth following up with them at the end after the Dominion War, after their existence was on the line. Yeah. To see how much more complicated their feelings were after having their asses saved by them. And in Garex perspective, having his home world nearly exterminated by the conflict involving

them. Yeah. I mean, think about how much more heavy that scene would have been on the surface of Cartier where Mar-Toc and Belt buckle and Cisco are standing there and Garrick comes out and they're like, hey, we're drinking root beers. Do you want to join us? Right. Right. and Cisco are standing there and Garrick comes out and they're like, hey, we're drinking root beers, do you wanna join us? Right.

Right, and Garrick's like, nope, I actually have to continue digging 500 million graves. Little busy. Yeah. Speaking of the Cardassians, the big conflict involving the humans in the Kardashians early on in this series is the make-wease. Make-wease?

And the kind of like militancy of the Kardashians and the disavowed humans that are militaristic against them, that the federation would rather not have to deal with. And I think it's really interesting how much they transition away from that. And I think partly it's that the Dominion War is just like, oh yeah, well, we just took over all of those star systems that were in question anyways. Like, who gives a fuck? But also, there's the whole Eddington storyline and... ["Hug it, Hugs my arm!"

He seems to be sort of the end boss of the Mayquees and you know, maybe a candidate for your Mount Villainmore. I'm not sure. That's a great call. That was an example of a storyline that was introduced and cut in 90-degree angles. Like really nicely packaged together. And you're right, Eddington is such an interesting character in this show. Today we're going to dovetail a new storyline into long- running statrix. Now the measurements have to be very precise here because

the tolerances are very touchy. I, that was like the moment where even more than in the pale moonlight, I feel like that's the, that's the part that changed Cisco. That began to change Cisco forever. Yeah. As a starfleet, you know? Yeah. And... Eddington's betrayal made the, in the pale moonlight, breaking bad possible. Like I don't think, in the pale moonlight happens, unless... Yeah.

Eddington turns. Yeah, I think that's right. It's interesting because, you know, we've got a kind of a large number of Starfleet captains to look at and compare at this point. And Picard is a character that really thinks of himself as being very by the book, but because he thinks of himself as by the book, he feels entitled to bend and break rules all the time because he understands on this like intrinsic level what the rules are meant to do and if he can serve the like higher ideal

in the moment by breaking the rule he Is perfectly willing to do that. Whereas, you know Kirk or Michael Burnham are characters that are like free thinkers, like, you know, know the rules and regulations, but like set them aside at the drop of a hat if it doesn't serve them, you know, like there isn't that kind of like intellectualized rationale behind breaking bad for them. And I think that we never get the self scrutiny in those other characters as we do with Cisco.

Cisco actually permits himself to adjudicate that in a way that is super interesting without him. And very unique to him specifically. I don't think that he's really like any of our other captains in that way. He really needs to have internal consistency and hates it when he breaks his own rules. We still rarely get that conflict externalized in those other captains, you know, like Picard rarely sat with Troy

to tell her about his internal conflicts outside of his assimilation. He didn't look into the camera and say what was on his mind one single time. Kirk made a captain's log about hating klingons and always will. But you never got a log about his many prime directive breaks over the course of his career. Or like boy, I really should have looked back on setty alpha six and made sure everything was copacetic over there.

That was a big mistake by me. There's something admirable about a confident captain. Yeah. That's how they make admiral. Yeah. But there's also something admirable about a leader who can admit to the human frailty of not having 100% confidence in their decisions. And even accepting that regret is part of the game when you sit in that chair. And that was something that Ben Sisko was able to articulate in a brand new way in Star Trek. It's something about him that I really admired.

Me as well, Adam. I think what we should do, I'm going to suggest we get to our P1s and then do our mountains. The mountains being the segment that we do on the wrap-up episode of the Star Trek series we cover, where we construct the Mount Armus of the series, the Mount Nakamura of the series. And then I suggested that we have a third mountain this time, which we probably should have done. It's probably more appropriate even for TNG than it is for DS9, but I want to issue a special mountain for corny episodes that are both bad episodes

and bad ideas, but I still like them because they're just like that dorky Star Trek fun. The kinds of episodes where Star Trek fans have a soft spot in their heart for them, but are not what you show somebody first if you're trying to get them into the franchise. And I think it needs, I like, Mount Cornie Moore is bad, but maybe that's appropriate. I'm not really sure. Is it Malalaman? Malalaman?

Okay. Well, we said it in you. I think we came up with it at the same time. That's how we know our tracks were synced. All right, Jonathan Marker there. What do you say we get into our priority one message in box? Sounds good.

Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on secured channel. Need a supplement. Supplement. Supplement. Yes, extra. on Secure Channel. Need a supplement on. A supplement on? A supplement. A supplement. Yeah, it's extra. The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship. Our first message is of a personal nature,

and it's from Maria, and it's to Justin Fleming. And it goes like this. Oh, and we're missing an anniversary. This was targeted for early October. So sorry, Justin. Yeah, he likes. But here we go. Justin, happy first anniversary.

Maria can't believe she's already spending, she's already spent a year listening to you, listen to us. And surprisingly. And here is now a year and a half. Thanks too. My best message is coming out. It's surprisingly even after learning

about your obsession with Star Wars, she can't wait to spend another year with you. Ben and Adam, things, just in love or hate, is how I mix up Star Trek and Star Wars and when I explain my jokes. Ha ha ha ha. Both of those things are very cute. Wow.

Just didn't... Maria sounds great, and congratulations to both of you on more than 12 months of being together. Wow. Congrats. Ben, our second priority one message, is a long distance request. Okay. It is from Ple distance request. Okay. It is from Plevim. What?

And it is to Razz. Viewers of the greatest generation will recognize Razz and Plevim from the TNG episodes of this program. That's pretty big. That's been such a long time. Big, big, big supporters of the show. And one of the, one of the forgotten memories I have is doing that show in in Milwaukee

Oh, man, I'm in person and then getting so hammered that I don't really remember writing a tandem bicycle I do with them Yeah, they they came in like tail coats and top hats and I think had like monocles and moustaches as well. And a tandem bicycle was parked outside the venue. And when we got off stage, one of our drunkest shows we've ever done, we got off stage and like hung out with Raz and Plovim for a bit. And they convinced us to

Get on their tandem bicycle and ride it around in front of the venue for a while and we rode Just in the middle of the street across the street like around the pumps at a gas station nearby and back and we were so hammered It's like probably the closest I've ever come to death it's like probably the closest I've ever come to death. I evidently have an open invitation to EAA Air Venture out there from Razz and Plavim, but uh... Oh wow! This is the first we're hearing from them in a long time, I hope they're doing great, wherever they are. I'm glad to hear them, but do they but do they have a does this plveeam have a message for razz? Here's the message bin. I have no idea if I still listen to this podcast anymore In parentheses, it's 11 to 17 today. Wow

I just listened to the third episode of DS9 anyway Tell razz to go fuck himself. Hahaha. Quote, the more things change, the more they stay the same. Hahaha. This, the requested date of this P1 was the series finale of DS9. Oh boy. And then in parentheses, if they stop podcasting before then, then their last episode.

I love that kind of faith in us, boobie. Oh, man. That rules. I guess we must have, I don't know how the calendar got out of sync, but we must, there must have been like a double episode that got counted as a It's two or something like that. Yeah, or whatever But anyways, thank you pluffy and I know that the rascals will well surely have a response But it will be a long time before we hear it because we have so many of these p1s booked up Right now, so if you'd like to get a P1 and you are a rascal

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and when I did the math on everything, it's got to be quark. Quark is the drunk Shimoda of this show. As just the show's main chaos agent, I think if you're starting with a blank page on a deep space nine episode, a reliable place to start is quark inside quark's bar, planning some shit, and then everyone else reacting to whatever that Shimoda inciting incident is. And I think for his dependability throughout the episode as an instrument of chaos. Yeah. And with varying degrees of success, he's going to be my my series drunk Shemota. What have I been? I did not do the level of soul searching as you did, but I can't say that I can find any fault in your logic.

So I will join you on the course where he's also going to be my series, Shimoda. You're just, you're just copying off of me because you didn't study before the test. I didn't study before the test. I, I fucked up. Wow. Wow. Well, let's see if you fuck up your mountain spin. Yeah. Okay.

So, what I did was I wrote down my candidate. I did this on the TNG, my TNG mountains as well. I did my favorite tip-top episode per season, and then I'm going to try and narrow it down to four for my Mount Armas and my mountain So Mount Alamarein, the corny episodes that are corny as hell, but we just love them anyways. Just a mountain made of corniblets. Yeah.

Yeah. So I have four episodes here. I don't think that there are corny episodes in every season of this show, which is one way deep space nine differentiates itself from the NG. Before you even start, how many of the same episodes do you think we have on our three mountains? Oh, man. we have on our three mountains. Oh man, I think Mount Elmerane will maybe be like three, we'll have three in common, and then like Mount Armas,

I think maybe like two might end up being in common. So 12 total faces on these three mountains. I'm gonna put the over under it six, right in the middle. Okay, okay, oh, interesting. Okay. Do you think it's more or less than six, and a push is possible. I'm gonna guess it's under. I think that would be my bet too.

Okay. All right, continue. All right, so my Mount Elmerane are are, move along home, season one episode nine. It's same. Got our first one. The House of Quark, which is the episode where he goes and marries a Klingon lady. That was a phone one. Trials and tribulations.

Oh. And take me out to the hall of sweet. I have that one on my Mount Alamorene as well. What are you two or do we share? A little green men, the Area 51 episode. That was on mine and how I remembered, take me out to the hall of the suite and then I had to swap it out. And this is going to be very controversial.

Okay. I'm going to get I'm going to get letters letter sure this I'm not going to read those letters. We don't check the email anymore. You're talking about corny then yeah, you're talking about not bad, but corny specifically corny. It's the visitor man. Wow. Jake is the old man writer.

The the gauzy hallmark film of a Deep Space Nine story. This is a lot of people's favorite, favorite episode of the series. But I mean judging from the episode of greatest generation, it certainly was. It's everyone's least favorite episode of this show. Right, right. Yeah, that one didn't work for me. Okay,

let's move on to Mount Armus. All right, and Armus. On my Mount Armus of Bad Episodes, the season four episode them use. You might remember this one as Jake and the Scalt Massage Lady, who gets him to write good. The B story of this episode was Luxana married to that guy that Odo then has to steal her from. guy that Odo then has to steal her from. Remember? So kind of parallel love stories, maybe? Interesting.

That's my first. Then I've got Profit and Lace, the quirk disguised as a female to close a business deal episode. Yeah. Also on my mountain. That he learns nothing from at the end. The season five episode let he who is without sin. Also on my mountain. The unforgivable warf episode, the one that that dumps the poison into the warf well, making it unpotable forever. Just an unforgivable moment for him,

ruining a vacation that should have been great. And then the season six episode, times orphan, the wild child episode. I thought was, I think you'll see in my mount Nuckmore episodes just how much I liked Miles O'Brien as a character and how and how that influenced what may or may not be my favorite episodes of the series, but that one a rare miss for an O'Brien family episode. Wow, so time's orphan, my fourth of four. Okay. Sounds like we shared one or two of those. I think we shared two, which means we're really close to. Yeah, we're up to four.

What about you, Ben? All right. My mouth, all right. You were the two that we don't share. Well, I'll just give you all four because I'm a little drunk and I can't remember which ones you said. My mount armist is QLIS, the QN Vash visit the station episode from season one. I think it's a great call. Both a misstep in terms of trying to get TNG viewers to come watch Jeeps Base 9 by having some TNG characters show up. Those are not the TNG characters they should have chosen. And also it's just a misstep in

that it's like a total misuse of Q. It has like... It's such a George Lucas sensibility. Like, I heard you like TNG characters. Here's Vash. My next one, Peldor Joy, Adam. It's fascination, the episode where everyone gets like possessed and wants to fuck each other. Yeah, that was fun. And then let his, who was without sin and profit and lace. Yeah, yeah, good call. You want to hear my runner-ups from the other seasons? Yeah, what was on the bubble that didn't make it out of curiosity?

On the bubble were Armageddon Game, which is the one where the aliens with the like really crazy like hair braids that like stuck up on the sides were disposing of their bio weapons and Bashira and O'Brien are gonna get killed. Fun. Yeah, that was good one. Armand Bashir, the, uh, the hollow sweet one where they're all like playing crappy knockoff episode. Yeah. Yeah.

Knockoff. It's not even knockoff, James Bond. It's knockoff Austin Powers. Um, right. And then treachery faith and the great river, uh, when, and this is more like that's probably, like closer to a failure just because I don't like the way they handled it than that I don't think it was a good idea for an episode. It's, that's the one our way you in six defects. And

right. It's not a bad episode per se, but it felt like filler and it felt like they could have used it to launch a very interesting storyline where there's like two way unes on either side of the conflict or something and they kind of, I feel like they lost their nerve like taking that one over the finish line and then. The way you in six takes off his sideburns, really, with himself to be way in seven. River will himself to be way in seven. He steals the defiant. I get in a fist fight around a campfire and bones is there. Where was that episode on any of our mountains?

That should, I want to make a last second change to my mountainuck more. That episode should be on it. The Thomas Riker episode. Oh man. That's where I'm going to start, Ben. A stick or a branch? I'm about this long, this stick. Ben, the season three episode featuring Tom Riker defiant. Wow. Definitely belongs on my Mount Nuckmore. I think any mountain named after Nuck deserves a riker on it.

And unlike the faces of a Mount Rushmore, it's just crotch, all crutches on Mount Nuckmore. I'm gonna put that into the spot that was occupied by the season two, season finale, The Gem Hadar, which is an episode that I really loved. I will always, always, always remember, you know, the first episode where you meet The Gem Hadar,

the first episode where you meet the Vorta, the episode where that Galaxy Clashhip is destroyed. first episode where you meet the vorta, the episode where that galaxy clashhip is destroyed. One of the best of the series to me was that episode, but not good enough to stand up to Tom Riker, Leigh and one on Major Kira. In the second slot, hard time. The season four episode where O'Brien gets sentenced to a life sentence in mind prison. That was a big one for you. Just an awesome episode.

Really, really affected me. And then the final two, maybe the most obvious to anyone who enjoys this series, far beyond the stars and in the pale moonlight, are on my mount Nuckmore as well. Just not just great episodes of Deep Space Nine, but great episodes of television, period. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it was really hard to narrow it down to four for me. And, you know, I did my best. So here, here, here, here, mine. My first is Emissary, season one, episode one, which is pretty wild, but I think it's a great start. Like there's so many vivid moments in that for me,

like thinking about the WV359 stuff, like the mind-blowing idea of seeing WV359 stuff, like the mind-blowing idea of seeing WV359 from a different perspective, and then the like starting us on hard mode of Commander Cisco is pit against Picard in that episode. And there's so much confidence in that choice. Our fucking space dad doesn't like this guy and he doesn't like space dad, and now

you're gonna ask me to watch a TV show about him. Digging the hole. They made it much harder for themselves than they needed to, but I think that it was such a smart choice because it really contrasted the two of them. It really set a tone that this is not TNG, this is not supplementary material to TNG. It's a zone show, it's a zone cast. They are going through their own shit. And I think as a first episode, it is really, really strong.

My next one is past tense parts one and two, a bit of a cheat, but I don't think that, I don't think we could get out of this episode without talking about Chris Brenner. I'm Chris Brenner. Brenner information systems. You know, interface operations, net access, channel 90. That Chris Brenner. Certainly not.

That was a great two-parter. Yeah. And mostly because of Chris Brenner. Yeah. Yeah, and mostly because of Chris Brenner. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's the deep phase nine episode. I probably think about the most. And that's probably just symptomatic of this time that we are living in. But I think that it, I remember watching it when it came out and I, I think that like all the greatest art, it's one of those things where it felt like a real challenge when I watched it.

Like, I kind of rejected some of what it was trying to get me to swallow and then kind of proved itself right over and over again over the years and And I love I love when art does that so that's on my mountainuck more I think there is a quality about Chris Brenner that is Familiar to those who appreciate Kevin Uxbridge. Yeah, and that there was something about that character that was unintentionally funny. Yeah, absolutely. That delighted me to know. And not in a mean way either.

No. Like, we're not mean to Kevin Uxbridge in using him as a character on our show, just as we're not mean to Chris Brenner. But there's something about his character and his delivery and it's so hard to describe. But when you see it and you hear it, you know it, that that is a greatest gen character. Absolutely. Like, leapt off the screen at both of us. My next one, a bit of a curveball here, but I think about this episode sometimes too. It is Dr. Bashir, I presume. This is the episode where we find out about Dr. Bashir's genetic

manipulation, and we meet his parents. And it kind of feels to me like an important episode in the transition of the show from being a more traditional syndicated television show where it didn't really matter that much what episode order you saw it in or whatever to being a more thready show where you have to kind of like follow storylines from week to week. And also, as it got darker and a little bit more action oriented, this was a good reminder that this show was still really good at thinking about like ethics and the future and technology and the intersection of all those things while also being really fun, which is like it in that way it's got some real solid star track DNA like that's what I love about TNG, you know, like that kind of it's a morality play, but it's a fun adventure, but it's set in the future kind of vibe is is in that, but it also really feels like a deep space nine episode. And it's also like, I don't know, like the characters of his parents are just like so fun and well realized. And I love his relationship with them and how exposed he suddenly feels by having them running around the station, introducing themselves to his coworkers and stuff.

I really love that episode. And then my final one is Far Beyond the Stars. Tough to beat. Not a big story. It's a good list. Yeah. Yeah. We were a fuse of then and we're a fuse of now.

Absolutely. One. One. One. One. One. One. morning. Morning. Morning. Sweet. Morning. Morning. Morning.

Morning. Have a time. That's Steve's race nine, man. We did it. We did it. It's done. It's done until we go back to the beginning and do this all over again in 15 years,

like painting the Golden Gate. That's what the greatest gen is. Greatest generation, colon, retirement plan. Ha ha ha ha ha ha for us then is next week season one episode one of Star Trek Voyager? I was just looking at our P1 calendar and wondering about that because I... This is so us, Adam. I think we told Adam Ragusia we probably need new music by Valentine's Day, which would be one day before the episode release of the first episode of Voyager, except for I think that's a week late for when these episodes are actually falling. So well, we should get

a hold of the goose and see what our chances are. We may be in big trouble, but you know, maybe we should do. If the music's not ready, let's just take a skip week. Let's take a week out. So, I'm going to. No, far from it. I mean, it still shocks me that anyone listens in the first place, but I'm really excited to get into Voyager. I have a ton of love for. Another show that I'm sure will give us some really primo entries in our Mount Armises and our Mount Alamarens in addition to our Mount Nuckmores. Yeah, Star Trek getting out of the blocks is always a little bit of a rough ride.

Absolutely. And once again, this is going to be new trek to me. So, looking forward to that. Thanks to everyone who has been listening all these years, especially Razz and Plavime. And... Yeah, special shout out to them. Who knows if they still listen. We're everything. Give us a heads up if you're still listening, Razz and Plavime,

we want to know. Yeah, she would just say proof of life picture with a newspaper. I would find it easy. The other people I need to thank include Bill Tilly, the social media director for Uxbridge Shimoda LLC. He runs the greatest trek social media accounts for this show in the greatest discovery.

We also got to thank Adam Ragusia who makes our theme music and is I'm sure toiling in the dungeon on the new theme music for the show. As we speak, he is a great bud and has a really awesome cooking channel on YouTube if you just search Adam Ragusia on YouTube, you can find that, listen to our other Star Trek podcast, the greatest discovery. If you haven't had enough here. You know you want to, it's great.

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that people hate. That's going away. And more of the things that people love. And we love Felipe and Craig who are working on making that happen. Thank you to them. So with that, we will be back at you next time with another great episode of Star Trek Voyager and an episode of the greatest generation that is a cringing up, it's new hip ship. I think that the ship kind of looks like an upside down toilet bowl. Kind of looks like a toilet chip in, doesn't it? But for like one of those toilets that you only see in a in like a gas station bathroom like the extra long bowl. Where's the handle?

And you just grab a you grab a Nacell and that's they flex right? Yeah, so you flex in the cell down. The good chip turl it. Yeah, let's go on a seven-year adventure with that. Never have to pull over when your ship's a toilet. There's gumps in that nebula. Make it sound. Make it sound. Make it sound. Make it sound. Make it sound. Make it sound.

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