The Greatest Generation - No Joke Is Getting Out Alive (S2E4)

Episode Date: May 4, 2016

When the world's shittiest Han Solo breaks down within hailing range of the Enterprise, the women of the ship are extremely hospitable to him. Meanwhile, Data is desperately trying to learn the secret...s of comedy by playing the holodeck on fast forward. Then a bunch of squabbling aliens with extremely retrograde beliefs surrounding procreation and marriage beam aboard and somehow make Data's storyline seem fun by comparison. Is Worf in charge of keeping Riker's harem safe? Is Terri Hatcher playing her character from Desperate Housewives? Is a cigar just a cigar? It's the episode that dissects the frog, and we might not be equal to the challenge.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Priority 1 message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Hey friends of Disodo. Before today's episode, we just wanted to take a moment to talk about the historic labor actions being taken by writers and actors in the American Film and Television industry. If you're a fan of the work done by the people who make Star Trek, we hope you'll join us in standing in solidarity with the folks who actually bring these adventures to life. Over the past several years, the AMPTP, the organization that represents the American Film and Television Production Studios, have reduced the profit from movies and TV going to workers. And in so doing,
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Starting point is 00:01:55 and season two of Star Trek Picard. We've set up a page where you can also contribute. It's at friendsofdecotoforlabor.com. That's friendsofdececoto for Labor.com. That's FriendsOfDecoto for Labor.com. Link in the episode description. Okay, now let's get on with the show. Here's to the finest crew in Starfleet. Engage! Welcome to the greatest generation. A Star Trek podcast by two guys who are a bit embarrassed to have a Star Trek podcast. I'm Ben Harrison. I'm Adam Prenica. We are, uh, trudging through season two. Ben, where are you today? I'm still in LA. This is four episodes in a row that I've been in Los Angeles,
Starting point is 00:02:49 but that's just because we're recording it quite a rapid clip. Really? I'm in a hotel on Wilshire Boulevard. I just had pancakes on the roof and came down to... I just had a euphemism. Yeah, it's like a riker sex move. Not many aliens have heard of pancakes on the roof. But they'll never forget it.
Starting point is 00:03:15 Yeah, it's similar to a bulldog in the bathtub kind of a thing. Are you in LA doing personal business, business, business, or podcast business? I'm here mostly on business business, but I think in a bit I'm going to lunch that potentially has some podcast business related to it. Oh, interesting. Yeah, we'll see how that goes. Huh, well, maybe we'll follow up to that sometime. Maybe, maybe not. Well that goes. Huh, well, maybe we'll follow up to that sometime maybe maybe not
Starting point is 00:03:46 Well, that sounds outrageous Ben See that's a championship pivot into our episode there Yeah season two episode four that is a mission log level transition. Oh, how dare you? We can do better than that then We've we've lost half of our listeners to a coma The enterprise is passing through I didn't give you the the number in the title of the episode. Oh, let on me Okay, okay, I apologize all right what we've got on the pancake today is the season two episode four outrageous Okana.
Starting point is 00:04:31 When the Enterprise is passing through the Coalition of Medina, I believe. The funky Coalition Medina. Yeah. The, I'm sorry you did that to yourself. Yeah. The... I'm sorry you did that to yourself. Okay. Speaking of a show of an episode that's all about learning to do jokes.
Starting point is 00:04:53 Is Medina that show with the really tall, black comedian who dresses up and drag? What are those called? I don't know Adam, I feel like you're digging yourself a grave that I don't know where it is or how to lower a ladder to you. We're editing all of this out. There will be no open to this episode. We'll just come right in in the middle. So the dinner preses in this in some fucking sector.
Starting point is 00:05:28 They're detecting a small cargo ship that is in some trouble. And they get on FaceTime and the captain is just about as charming as charming gets. Yeah, you, as a casting director, you go for someone who is a little like Johnny Depp and you get like the guy in Times Square who is Johnny Depp from Pirates of the Caribbean. Yeah, this guy is actually like a great midpoint between Jonathan Frakes and Johnny Depp.
Starting point is 00:05:54 You know what is interesting about that comment. I don't know if you did this intentionally, but the actor who plays O'Connor was up for the role of Riker. Yeah, it just missed it. Yeah. And I think he's had like a little bit of a TV acting career. Like he's been a recurring character on some stuff. Do you know that the reason he didn't get the role
Starting point is 00:06:14 was because he was called Too Soft? Oh, interesting. Yeah. When you're going for Riker, you're going hard. Rock hard. All the way. Yeah, diamond hard. Like not pancake soft. That's just a move. That's not sex move. Yeah, for the roof. But like everybody is fully is fully under
Starting point is 00:06:36 O'Connor's spell. No joke is getting out of this show alive. No, yeah, we have to cut all the humor from this humor episode. We are murdering the humor here. It's really like, I think, I think, you know, like dissecting a frog. This episode is all about why jokes work. And I think it has fucked us up, Adam. Okay, all right, center. All right, we're back to center. We're good.
Starting point is 00:07:08 We can do this. So O'Connor has some part of his ship that's broken, and Wesley's like, can we beam him on? We can fix that. We can fix it. And so they agreed to beam him on and fix this part. The way that they get there, like you're you're talking about Wesley's involvement in this plan, and I think it's critical that we discuss that Riker asks Wesley to plot an intercept
Starting point is 00:07:31 course, and the course that Wesley plot allows the freighter, allows a connoisseur freighter to approach from the rear. Did you notice this? I did notice that, but I didn't really make the connection for how Wesley views the world. So to me, it felt to me like Wesley was like a hostage who gets brought into a gas station and he's like trying to signal to the attendant that he's been kidnapped. Right. In what world and what universe is a intercept course allowing something to approach you
Starting point is 00:08:02 from behind? Hey, man, I don't know how orbital mechanics work by that. So to me, that felt like Wesley, like, come on guys, like, isn't this weird? Don't you see how weird this is? I'm trying to tell you what's happening to me. Trying to telegram. I'm trying to write a note in the fog on the back window,
Starting point is 00:08:23 and you are not paying attention. I'm in the trunk a note in the in the fog on the on the back window and you are not paying attention I'm in the trunk unplugging the brake lights. So someone will see Something strong with this car. Yeah So I think the last thing that happens before O'Connor has beamed up is that they They hear the the transporter chief's voice on the has beamed up is that they hear the the transporter chief's voice on the radio and he goes is that a lady? And Riker lights up like a Christmas tree. He is like, I have found a kindred spirit. Finally, I've been traveling the galaxy for years now.
Starting point is 00:09:00 And I finally found somebody that I totally understand and that will totally understand me. But not be a sexual threat to him in any way. No. Like Riker gets first dibs. O'Connor is batting a little bit below Riker's level. They're in different weight divisions. I will change metaphor as midstream, but they're, you know, they fight in the same league. O'Connor's a little softer. Yeah, a little bit softer But his his first conquest is Terry Hatcher Not a bad first conquest not at all
Starting point is 00:09:32 Not a bad conquest period She is looking awesome. Yeah, this is like a 19 year old Terry Hatcher running the transporter room running the transporter room. She evidently did not agree because she was so ashamed of her performance in this episode that she asked not to be credited. Really? Yeah. Wow.
Starting point is 00:09:52 Well, I'm glad that they gave O'Brien the day off because it was nice to, she's very easy on the eyes in this episode. How much stranger would this scene have been if it were, Chief O'Brien, that O'Cotta falls for I feel like O'Brien is a pretty old-fashioned dude and would not have taken kindly to that That give me all that haggis. Yeah
Starting point is 00:10:17 That's what Irish people eat right? Sure So they're they're flying around no one's gonna be listening by the end of this no no Revin around slowly fixing the piece of junk that O'Connor brought on board well O'Connor avails himself of all of the non-commissioned female officers on the ship I female officers on the ship. I think at one point they say that he's fucked at least three of the enterprises crew. By the time anything else happens in this episode. Yeah, they pretty openly say that. Yeah, I mean, I don't think they use the F word, but they might as well.
Starting point is 00:11:00 So the deal is he's on board with his busted part and the parts in engineering and he's I'll tell you one part party has that's not busted. Oh, this dick. That did it. So he's an engineering and and Jordy is working on the part and they're they're shooting the shit and one really terrifying part about this scene from a production standpoint. Did you notice that they chose to Dolly off of Wesley's butt? I did see that.
Starting point is 00:11:30 What the fuck was that about? The show is getting a lot more explicit as time goes on. Yeah, they cut from a bridge scene to engineering and they Dolly threw his ass. That camera was on an intercept course. Yeah, God. Another pretty explicit cry for help. O'Connor has been joking around with everybody and data is really curious about this.
Starting point is 00:11:55 So he goes to the only professional comedian on board, who'll be Goldberg and tries to talk it out with her. And it's a real weird scene because he's real, like, glum about the fact that he doesn't understand humor and she really kind of matches his affect. So it's sort of like they're talking about him having cancer, but they're talking about him not knowing how jokes go. It's just you and I here.
Starting point is 00:12:23 We're talking, we're having an intimate conversation. Why? Because you're a droid and I'm annoyed. But why? Because that's what I am. Have I said something to offend you? But it's a weird scene. She does some material on him that is very c-minus,
Starting point is 00:12:40 like almost not even a joke. She tries on him, and he doesn't laugh and she goes like no No, that was funny data. You should have laughed at that. Which like you can't do as a comedian Yeah That's uh, I don't know if that's uh if that's a whoopie thing or a guy-n-thing Like I don't think we would expect anybody to laugh at this episode But we have done episodes in the past that I personally think are funny, but I can't dictate that to anybody else.
Starting point is 00:13:08 No, and in fact, I think that qualifies as anti-funny, that would compel me not to find something to laugh about at all. Right, and I think what to do, something that will live my life. Right, and I think unfortunately we're doing a lot of work to undo any humor that we've done in past episodes on this show. So that's troubling. Yeah, well. The first U.T. of every starfish officer
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Starting point is 00:14:53 Whoa, rats. Hey, hey, hey, oh, I'm about to count you in line. These clouds are really freaking me out. I hate having to stand in line. And, boy, what do I? These giraffes do not smell good. No, they do not, and they've such short neck. But I'm hearing we need to get on this all. We've got to get on the art. Yeah. It's about terrain, about a spout to destroy humanity. Hey, oh, sorry, sorry, are you Noah? Yeah, I know we look like humans. We're actually, we're podcasters.
Starting point is 00:15:20 We are podcasters, so it's different. Have you heard of Ono Ross and Carrie? We investigate spirituality, claims of the paranormal stuff like that. And you have a boat and say the world's gonna end, so seem like something for us to check out. We would love to be on the boats. We came two by two. What do you think? Ono Ross and Carrie, available on maximumfun.org So Geinen's like, I don't know whose idea it is, but they're like, let's go to the holiday and practice some comedy. Yeah, I think Data Goes by himself at first, and there's like a classic 1980s, mulleted
Starting point is 00:15:54 comedian as portrayed by Joe Piscopo and he's like into Tuxedo in a cheesy nightclub. Mr. Comic, I wish to know what is funny. Funny, I don't know, matter of opinion, I guess. Tip O'Neill in address. Some people say words that end with a K are funny. A brief case that looks like a fish, personally, I find that hysterical. Data essentially puts him on fast mode to discuss material. And it's unclear, you know, like he's doing exactly what Polacki admonished him to not
Starting point is 00:16:34 to do in the last episode, which is learn everything by rote. He's just having Joe Piscopo do his material at like 10x speed and data is absorbing it with his super Android brain. You think that Wootby Goldberg is a little bit insulted that they cast for this part at all? I feel like Wootby Goldberg is in the production meeting and they're like, okay, well, we got to find a real stand-up to be in this scene. And Wookie's like,
Starting point is 00:17:05 and it's especially strange because this is when Wookie was really at the height of her powers. She was so famous that she said, I want to be on that Star Trek show because I loved Nishel Nichols when I grew up, when I was growing up. And they had to say, yes. Like there wasn't any, like I mean they were also I'm sure leaping at the opportunity to have one of the most famous people in the country become a recurring character on their show but uh yeah she was going from like the set of sister act three to yeah to the next generation and back and forth. Like if she
Starting point is 00:17:43 had been Luke ormon Star Trek growing up and they had asked her, they would have had hope and held that she would have said yes to this. No, no, yeah, and it's true. She's like the biggest star on the entire show. Absolutely. So data is sort of absorbing stand-up comedy in fast forward. And you know he comes out of the holodeck and does like arm-waving comedy routine on on on Geinen and she just she does not give him any benefit of the doubt. She just she just sidestepped him the entire time. Yeah it's really
Starting point is 00:18:20 anti-funny. He's got a giant foot-long cigar. Yeah. It's real cheesy. So as this is transpiring, they really make this the A storyline when it really shouldn't be. Like they cut away from O'Connor for most of the middle of this episode. He's not really, nothing is really happening with that storyline because we have to spend so much time in the holodeck with Joe Piscopo
Starting point is 00:18:47 Yeah, and I don't know about you, but as I was watching I was like please cut back to O'Connor Like I will I would do anything to just watch him flirt with random enterprise crew members for like 15 minutes instead of this and then like cut And then show like Worf reacting to it, you know, right? Right, right. Because when wharf goes that, you know, goes into the computer and sees that O'Connor has been in a bunch of people's quarters, he is fucking pissed. Why? I feel like Riker has probably been like, listen, you and me got a good thing going. You keep, you keep a- Listen to me, watch over these ladies. Stay away from Deck 13, alright? I have had all of them.
Starting point is 00:19:28 I will continue to have all of them. Keep your deck off Deck 13. That, that push is not yours to crush. That's not my wording. That's Raker's wording. Right. And, and with that, we've lost another entire block of listeners. This is becoming a speech. They're the captains.
Starting point is 00:19:46 They're in type group. They're in type group. They're in type group. They're in type group. They're in type group. They're in type group. They're in type group. They're in type group.
Starting point is 00:19:54 They're in type group. They're in type group. They're in type group. They're in type group. They're in type group. They're in type group. They're in type group. They're in type group.
Starting point is 00:20:02 They're in type group. They're in type group. They're in type group. They're in type group. They're in type group. They're in type group. They're in type group. people from the two planets that are that kind of control this sector. It's a dude in his pregnant daughter on one ship and a dude in his sniveling bitch of a son on the other ship. And they've got a real like a capulet Montague type family feud going. And they both want O'Connor's head because the guy with the pregnant daughter says that Okana knocked her up and then split and didn't you know do the honorable thing in Maryer and the guy with
Starting point is 00:20:32 the sniveling son says that the son was like roped into a scheme where Okana was hijacking the family jewels and and making off with them. uh... is called up to the bridge and captain bachard does like angry school headmaster move with him Mr O'Connor you were welcomed aboard without any undue investigation in turn it was assumed that you did not come on the false pretenses it now seems that you may have done
Starting point is 00:21:02 and it's like dude no no no no no like i'm cool i'm cool, I'm cool, man. Look at this ponytail. Look at this rock and tail. Look at my scraggly beard. Yeah, I mean, it's sort of a half big dog out of a card, which is nice because he hasn't gotten to big dog someone in quite a while.
Starting point is 00:21:19 Yeah, I mean, this is the kind of big dog I would get from my school headmaster when I would claim to be ill to get out of taking headmaster when I would claim to be ill to get out of taking an exam when I was in like seventh grade. You know, or it'd be like, it seems like a really unfortunate timing, Ben. Kind of a deal. Or should I say Wesley?
Starting point is 00:21:41 I don't think he ever knew me as Wesley, but he might as well have. Very few people did. Yeah. That was a certain isolated group in my life. You definitely get visually the whole Montague capulet thing because the people on one ship, it's very brightly colored, They're wearing flowing costumes.
Starting point is 00:22:06 And the other ship is basically the SNM ship. They're all leathered up. It's all dark and red. Now these are clearly people from two different worlds. And we're meant to understand that pretty explicitly. Yeah, so not really knowing like who to believe in all this. And because both factions would like their claim on Ocona's head to supersede the other one,
Starting point is 00:22:29 Picard is put in this awkward situation. And to his credit, Ocona's like, listen, like you don't have to repair my ship, like just I'll get out of here. You don't have to worry yourself, it's not your problem. And Picard's like, yeah, you're kind of right, it isn't my problem, but you're fucked if you leave, because while neither of these ships is any threat to the Enterprise, your ship is a piece of shit, and they can both outrun you and outgun you.
Starting point is 00:22:55 Yeah, the Enterprise could destroy both of these ships just by jettisoning its garbage at them. And the rate of speed that the garbage would close in on either one of these ships would destroy them easily. There's like a group chat situation going on on the screen for a while and it's a lot of like put it on mute because I can't stand these idiots and yet the guard offers to moderate the dispute and beams everybody over to a conference room and they try and hash it out. It's so much easier to set up a conference call in the future.
Starting point is 00:23:29 Yeah. You don't have to give the conference bridge and the pin coat out. It's very smoothed out. This dispute winds up being kind of a canard. The reason O'Connor's... That's your ad? Indeed. The reason O'Connor has this jewel is because he was taking it from sniveling dude to pregnant lady because in fact
Starting point is 00:23:51 sniveling dude was behind the lady getting pregnant boy was he and they You know this is This is a Conflict that they don't you know their their, their family conflict is not something they share with their fathers. So they got Jiggy with it and she got pregnant
Starting point is 00:24:11 and eventually the sniveling dude is talked into proposing marriage to her. And O'Connor turns out was just being like a cool wingman and go between for this whole situation. Yeah, he's totally innocent except for the handful of Enterprise crewmen, crew women that he banged. Yeah, nine months after this episode is going to be an interesting day on the Enterprise. Wow, certainly three infants running around.
Starting point is 00:24:41 And they all have ponytails. That's how biology works. Let's go back to the A storyline, which is Data and Gainen in the comedy club, trying to work out some material. And it just doesn't work. And eventually, a guy in talks data out of making this a maker-break part of his quest to become more human. Because not everybody is funny, and maybe data doesn't have to be. We are living testaments to that with this episode, Adam.
Starting point is 00:25:25 Yeah, and I mean, the way that they get to this conclusion is data's up on stage and he's telling, he's doing his version of a comedy set and everyone's laughing. Everyone, there's a less moon-vezz CPS sitcom amount of laughter that he immediately reads his fake, just like everyone else who watches a CBS comedy knows. Yeah, and you know, Jordy wasn't there to program the computer to make an audience that even data couldn't make laugh. Yeah, so the laughs are cheap and he finds less and less satisfaction with his set as he
Starting point is 00:26:04 goes through it until he finally just kills the program. Right. He starts saying phrases that don't have punchlines and they keep laughing. So, it's a little bit of a heartbreaker because you can see how crestfallen he is. He thought he'd figured it out and he really hadn't. Right. Right.
Starting point is 00:26:24 So, he kills the program, he's all sad. He walks off stage alone. Kind of a bummer ending. But he goes back to the bridge and does some material that actually works. People actually laugh. And it's like, but it's unfortunate because he wasn't trying to make a joke.
Starting point is 00:26:43 It's like, you know, all my best material is totally unintentional. And then I go, I like retroactively go, like yeah, that's a pun I meant to make and not just I was misbeaking and being an idiot. Sure. And then, because- Yeah, I think what we know about data is that he's witty, like unintentionally witty.
Starting point is 00:26:59 Yeah. Kind of wanders into a punchline and falls into it. Yeah, then he does try to make a joke and everybody's like, that's not funny, but I thought it was really funny when he says, take my wharf, please. Yeah, that was great. Wharf is not amused by this. No.
Starting point is 00:27:16 We're ready to get underway, sir. He's been made fun of enough. Yeah. What did you think of this episode, Ben? I think that it's almost a good episode and the amount of charisma that O'Connor is bringing to the table is so devastating. I almost feel like they wished they could have rewritten and restructured this episode a little bit once they saw what he came and did on set. Because he should have been on screen for like 75% of the app, and he was on screen for like 20% of the app. Yeah, I don't feel like this statement has been said very often, but this wasn't Joe Piscopo's fault.
Starting point is 00:28:01 They just, they overwrote that B story and underwrote the A story. It should have been reversed. It should have been all about Ocana. It should have absolutely been all about Ocana. And I love to picture a world in which that guy got Jonathan Freaks as part, not to take anything away from Jonathan Freaks, because I think he's a great riker. But that guy clearly, this actor clearly had an extra grind when he came on for this feature role. Like he's like, look at me, look at what I can do. And he's great. He's so fun to watch.
Starting point is 00:28:36 It's never been more clear that a minor character could be Riker's drinking buddy and Carousel buddy. I'd like to imagine an offshoot bottle episode where it's just O'Connor, Riker, and that guy on the Lady Planet from season one. Like they go back and visit the planet of strong women. And they just spend a week there, just camping and fucking and even the whole thing. Well, I read that there, working you know, I read that they're working this new Star Trek series that they're working on is gonna be an anthology series. So each season will be its own storyline.
Starting point is 00:29:12 Maybe, maybe it's not too late to hope for that. I'd like to withdraw all of my less moonfish criticism in an effort to maybe one day get a writing job on that show. That would be tremendous. So let's just retroactively take out all of those negative comments. I'm not gonna edit it out, but I hope the listeners edited it out in their heads. I hope the Star Trek series doesn't have a laugh track. Well, maybe one season does, you know? I feel like this episode suffered from the Studio 60 problem, which is like a series or an episode talking about comedy without the ability to be truly funny.
Starting point is 00:30:04 It fails where the Larry Sanders show succeeds. Yes, yes, and I think the reason that a show like Larry Sanders does succeed is because there's actual true comedic pedigree. Right. Like, it's the people that are writing the drama about what it is like to be funny. No where of this peak. Right, and it's easier for comics to write about drama that it is for dramaticists to write about comedy.
Starting point is 00:30:30 Like, it just doesn't work that way. I wonder if, God, I just wonder if whoopie could have helped this episode in any way, like, like writing wise. Because she's got to watch this comedy Holocaust happen around her and be like, oh my god, are we really talking about this? Are we really talking about the thing that I do professionally like this? Yeah. I would really want to know what her feelings are.
Starting point is 00:30:57 Like I would listen to a totally a woopie Goldberg. Oh yeah, she went on commentary to a... Well no, I mean like I would listen to a woopie commentary. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:31:10 I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:31:18 I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't think O'Connor could save it. As fun as O'Connor was, he wasn't enough for me. And in fact, I would put this up on the Mount Rush more of that episode.
Starting point is 00:31:31 Wow. Bold. Should we call that the Mount Armas? I think I might. Do we know if this producer that has a credit in the pre-roll whose last name is Armas has anything to do with why they decided to name that character armus I saw that too like Bruce armus or something Burden armus yeah, yeah, it made me wonder like do they all hate this guy?
Starting point is 00:31:57 Were they sending him a message or was he sending them a message? unclear he is all the deceival Hmm Unclear. He is all the deceival. Hmm. Dankenvile. You got to hit this. This is Dankenvile. Did you find a drunk Shimoda in the episode? Dran Shimoda! I would be curious to hear who your drunk Shimoda is. First, you wanna give me ups on Drunk Shimoda?
Starting point is 00:32:29 Yeah. Oh God. I had a really hard time finding one in this episode. I think, I think it's data for me, like he's just the tryhard. He's trying too hard. Well, where Shimoda himself was effectively funny in his tryhardness, data was just not.
Starting point is 00:32:53 And he was actually sort of a tragic figure in my mind throughout the episode. You weren't even laughing at him. You weren't laughing at all. Yeah, it was a rough one. Yeah, I think he'd be mine. I think my drunk Shemota is the group therapy scene when they're all the like factions in this dispute are in a room discussing everything with each other.
Starting point is 00:33:22 A scene Shemota, I like this. Yeah, I mean it's like, Shimoda. I like this. Yeah. I mean, it's like, I think there's like six or seven speaking parts in this scene. And it's just really ham-fistedly blocked. It's badly paced. It's poorly dialogueed. And like just that whole scene, I just felt like, I was like, wow, like for all of the things that are not quite working in this episode, this is like, I was like, wow, like, for all of the things that are not quite working
Starting point is 00:33:45 in this episode, this is like something you attempt in a student film and realize that you are not to filmmaking equal of the thing you set out to do. It's like that scene in every school play where there's an argument among six people and they argue louder and louder and louder and then the lights go out and then a spotlight turns on to a single character
Starting point is 00:34:07 and they're like, my parents will never get along. Yeah. It was a rough one. I was really distracted by the father of the bride looking so much like Michael Gross from Family Ties. I had to look it up, it wasn't him, but just a dead ringer.
Starting point is 00:34:25 Well, that's all I have to say about that. Okay, let's move on. What do we have coming up next time on Season 2? Season 2 Episode 5 is called Loud is a Whisper. The future of a warring planet depends on a death moderator who suddenly loses his ability to communicate. Do you remember this one Adam? Isn't deafness cured in the future? This comes as a surprise to me.
Starting point is 00:35:01 I think, yeah, I think that this guy is like congenitally deaf, though. He doesn't even have the apparatus to hear. Um, so there's something wrong with his genitals. Wow, we are really keeping up the pace of just sickly awful jokes. And as I was a, um, Celia, whose genitals are deaf, Commander Raker? Yeah. This is an episode that they played in my wife's law school in her alternative dispute resolution class. Oh my God, they studied this? Yep. I think this is the only Star Trek
Starting point is 00:35:39 the next generation that my wife has ever seen. And it was just like one scene from this episode. Is she gonna listen to our show about it? Are they gonna play our episode in law school? She has not listened to a single episode of this broadcast. You know what would really get her in good with her old alumni is sending the recording of our show about this episode back to her school.
Starting point is 00:36:05 Yeah, that's as good as a donation right there. Right, yeah, you don't need my money. Take my terrible comedy, please. Well, would you invoke a veto on this one? No, for the same reason that I didn't invoke a veto on the episode we reviewed just now. If I can't remember anything at all about it, I'm curious enough to see it. Okay, well I will not veto either, so that will be our next episode. Wow, well, something to look forward to there. A lot of sign language.
Starting point is 00:36:40 Sounds great. Yeah. If you ever want to give us any feedback about how terrible we're doing on this or any other episode, you can find us on Twitter using the hashtag GreatestGen. I'm also at Cut for Time. Ben is at Benjamin A.H.R. We should thank Dark Materia for our music, which we really enjoy having play at the beginning and end and all through the middle of our show.
Starting point is 00:37:08 I think we can agree it's the only good thing about our show. Especially this episode, Adam. Especially this episode. Well, I think that's about all we have to say. So, we'll be back at you next time with a great episode of the next generation and hopefully a better episode of the greatest generation. I'm really sorry about this one. Yeah, sorry guys. Sorry. I our listeners probably wish they could have vetoed this from there from their queue. A listener can veto any episode. That's true. Nobody is holding a phaser to your head. No. No. Alright Adam. I think we've done enough harm here. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:48 Alright. Bye. Bye. I'm gonna be kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of

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