The Greatest Generation - Odo Needs a Dad (DS9 S4E12)

Episode Date: May 13, 2019

When First Minister Shakaar pays a visit to the station, Odo and Worf will have to figure out how to collaborate as security men. But when the Constable’s crush on Kira starts to impact his job performance, he sets himself up for a Japanese warrior level defeat. If a baby killed Shakaar, would it become First Minister? When is Kira flirting? Is something stopping Quark from getting a different apartment? It’s the episode that makes it clear that Kira is a real Neffie Beaumont type. Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Prophets! Support the production of The Greatest Generation.

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Yeah. Recording this like an elite up to our big friendly fire tour. It's right. How many things to get done? Yeah, we just recorded an episode of friendly fire. We got a switch gears Why do people call them laundry lists? That doesn't feel like if you're doing laundry you would you would require a List for that task, right? They like watching watching each item of clothing individually? Oh no, that seems like an inefficient way to do it. Ben, I've gone from, and this is probably

gonna horrify our viewers because most declarations of our hygiene or, I don't know what else qualifies, is enough to really set our listenership on fire. Yeah. But I've been washing people. Don't set them on fire. I've been washing all of my clothes in the same load. I'm not separating lights from darks anymore. What? I know. That's bad, right? I shouldn't be doing that. You're a fucking maniac. Here's the thing. Towels of both the dish and the bathroom variety. Those are getting their own load. That's on a warmer water.

But everything else is... Yeah, I like to put a load in a towel too. Yeah, yeah. And then I just put all of my clothes in at once on the cold water setting. That's bad, right? I appreciate that you're going with a cold water setting. It's good for the climate. It's going to make the load last longer, I think.

Yeah. You know, really prolong it. I find that if you go a long time between loads, the volume also increases. You're going to need a cold water wash in between those moments also. Yeah, because it coagulates in hot water, right? Counterintuitive, but cold water is actually a better way to clean up. Do you have a washer dryer that is all the same barrel? I think I remember that being the case, right?

Yeah, we live in a fairly small apartment and our washer dryer. We feel lucky to have it in unit, but it is the European style of all, it's an all-in-one, which is not great. I don't ever feel like the clothes are like, they don't seem super duper clean the way they do when you get them out of like a really like nice brand new pair. And also it takes a really long time to do both the washing and the drying. And since they're, they both happen in the same machine,

you can't like get a system going where you're pulling stuff out of the washer and putting it into the dryer. Yeah, the Henry Ford assembly lineification of your laundry is impossible in those circumstances. The thing that talks about it is it feels like we're never not doing laundry. Like we basically can't afford to skip a day, given.

There are parents out in our viewership that are like rolling their eyes at us. We have good friends who are, who actually just mentioned that, that they're never not doing laundry. It is every day. Yeah. Well, kids are, I mean, it's, I think it's strange for like two

childless adults to be doing laundry as much as they are. It's strange for two childless adults to be complaining about anything, really. Yeah. We should shut up. Yeah. Enough of this, will it? Do you want to just get into the show? We could just get into the show.

I don't have anything to tell you. I've been saving anything up. You know what I've been thinking about a little bit lately. All right, lay it on me. I miss playing cards with you, dude. Oh yeah. It has been such a long time. You want to squeeze in a quick card game before we start? Yeah, do you want to play war? Yeah

Where more? It's been a formal declaration of war. And this trick you bring us some luck. That nonsense is centuries behind us. I grabbed for a couple of packs of the rules of acquisition customizable card game. Limited edition expansion pack cards. I have a mirror mirror pack myself, so it looks like we'll be doing one of our asymmetric warfare games. Looks like we'll be doing one of our kind of asymmetric warfare Games you never know who's gonna win though in this game It's really more a matter of it's more matter of like debate, isn't it? Yeah, yeah So 11 cards in a pack. I don't know if we want to do all 11 you know 11. I've got nine. I'm already losing. Wow. The Franky's short changed you? That's hilarious. What a shock!

You ready? Yeah. 3, 2, 1. I have a character named Devano. Yeah, it looks like a Romulan, but he's got some pretty intense headgear. Typical mid-twentieth century Romulan medical staff authored several papers studying the effects of cloaking fields and other technology on Romulan physiology. Devano has integrity of seven, cunning of seven,

and strength of five. I have Cassidy Yates. What? Which I'm just surprised, like I'm a little confused. I'm looking at the card and it doesn't look like Mirror Cassidy Yates. Because it says that she is a freighter captain for Bajoran Ministry of Commerce. Oh. Oh wait, I mean this has to be right?

Because she smuggled weapons for the Maki and... Well you're not a you're not on a mirror pack. No, yeah I guess not so I'm a legit prime universe Cassidy eight I think there's any fucking competition here. I feel like I've been obliterated. I can add two card draws to cargo runs Ben. Whoa. That's good. You want to run that cargo? You want to flip another? Let's do it That's good. You want to run that cargo? You want to flip another? Let's do it Three two one Ben I have an event and that event is the 211th rule of acquisition. Here's how that goes if you know everybody knows how that goes if you don't remember

Employees are the rungs on the ladder of success. Don't hesitate to step on them Don't hesitate to step on them. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha is a classic disruptor, standard phase disruption weapon used in the mid-23rd century. Technology shared between the Klingon and Romulan empires during their brief alliance in the late 2260s. So, I got a gun. I think the gun is going to beat an employee every time. Yeah. Like, you want to talk about beating up the ladder of success. I think a gun would do the job.

Yeah. Until there are reasonable background checks and some regulations in place to limit the sale of guns, they're going to beat employees every time. Flip another over? Yeah, let's do it. I should probably not say that because like there will probably be some horrifying mass shooting in between now and when we face the episode.

Yeah, probably. Statistically, you're probably right. Three, two, one. My card is Caramene Vessel. It is a freighter. Oh, the Caramene conduct trade operations for the Dominion. Their vessels can be found throughout- This- This is the Farmer Hoget Ship, is it, not? Was he Karema?

Yeah, that was him. That was the episode where a tor- an unexploded torpedo crashed to the Defiance Hall, and it was Hanok and Quark that were left to, uh uh to disarm it. Yeah, he was a uh he was a shrewd businessman wasn't he? Oh so this is one of the vessels they took into the atmosphere to avoid the gem hadartics so... Oh kidding. Uh does it give you stats on the ship like uh... It does. I've got range of eight weapons five shield six.

Okay well uh I actually have something fairly comparable to that stance wise. I have Alliance Nore, which is it looks like deep space 9, the space station. It's a little picture of deep space 9, or mining and processing station representative of facilities used by the Klingon slash Cardassian Alliance. Station has weapons of six and shields of 30, Adam. Wow, I think I like your chances against my... ...Karemen freighter. Yeah, although the Karemen just has to steer clear of the station and that's no threat. Yeah.

But I guess if they, if they like went toe-to-toe, Yeah. Station probably comes out... ...fairly unscathed with all them threat. Yeah. But I guess if they like went toe-to-toe, station probably comes out fairly unscathed with all the shields. Right. Well, that's two to one. Do you want to make it best of five? Yeah, let's go ahead and do that.

Right. Yards are against you, but maybe you can do it. Three, two, one. I have a character named Ramara Cal, typical of personal physicians employed by important alliance officials assigned to the intendant. As a surprise did how frequently she comes in for an exam. It was kind of a hunky, bejorin guy, integrity of six, cutting of seven, strength of six. Hmm. So I have a Farenki officer. He's Damon Prack, and he was in that force of nature TNG episode, uh, in which he, in exchange for repairs to a ship, provided sensor log readings of the missing USS Fleming.

Hmm. He's a Damon, that's a big deal. Yeah, so, uh, he has integrity of six, kind of a surprise for any Ferenci. I don't think any Ferenci should have integrity above three, cunning of eight and strength of seven. So kind of a burly dude, if you get a strength of seven, I think. What was this integrity? Six. Yeah, I think numerically my guy edges you out

just a little tiny bit. Yeah, I think so too. A fairly forgettable TNG episode This was notable because it was the warp drive speed limit. Yep Borey. Yeah, yeah, I think you got me Ben All right. Well, do you want to do you want to get into the actual episode we came to talk about today? I do There's probably not a lot of forurengi action in this one, is there? Are there Furengis in Deep Space 9 season 4 episode 12, Crossfire? Do you realize how incredible this is? No, of course you're done.

I was kind of rolling out the red carpet for unassuming Kira. One rock de Gino extra hopped two measures of Kava. They have like a weekly meeting where they do the police blotter. She doesn't get the local newspaper to read the police blotter, she actually goes and gets it straight from the horse's mouth. But Odo is revealed to be like really, like super anal about how set up his offices in anticipation of her arrival.

It's very cute. It wants it to be perfect for her. I mean, it's a thin line between consideration and creepy, and I think Odo remains on the side of consideration, right? It's a thin blue line. I mean, you could read this scene as him doing it expressly to watch her make an o-face after drinking her coffee.

And that is not great. There's a rack in on Odo's face and a rack in on Kira's face in this moment that make it seem all about that moment and less about making a friend happy and comfortable when taking a meeting with you. I wish I reveled this much in my sensory environment. The implication here is that every morning when she takes her

first sip of coffee, she has something that approaches orgasmic pleasure from it. Yeah, I mean, I think it's a good lesson for us all. We should try harder to enjoy the things that we consume every day, and she really does it. I just, every time I get a cup of coffee, I look at it and I say, this coffee will not make me happy. And then I drink it. That's it. This coffee will not fix my relationship with my mother. That's a strange bit of information to meditate on, Ben,

but I'm not gonna judge. Ha ha ha ha. They have a regular review of the Criminal Activity Report. And this is a thing where I have a feeling this could be a thing that is super enjoyable for everyone because it just sort of gives them bits to laugh about. Bits, bits, you'll never believe what happened on the docking ring. And check out this story from the promenade like it's less administrative and more social. It taps into the long history

of small town police blotters and how funny they are. Right. Right. A bit of information dropped in the scene is that Shakars coming to visit the station. I do want to talk a little bit about the crime that's discussed in this episode. Because there's, I mean, there's that.

Like somebody is protesting Shakars arrival. He's some kind of political dissident that's putting up graffiti, but they also discuss an alien who got in a domestic violence incident with his wife. I guess the wife had him, but they really like breeze past that, like, what are you gonna do? And I thought that was sad, you know? I mean, they sort of make that the meat

in the relationship sandwich story they're telling, like, cause Odo talks about catching them fucking on the promenade. Right. Not long before this, so it just appears to be a glimpse into a tumultuous relationship. Maybe that's what they're into. There's a little light, some rough stuff that they do as part of their sexual routine.

Yeah, I mean, they didn't interrogate the degree to which consent was involved. So maybe it's all above board. Who knows? Hope so. Yeah, you want to believe that. Yeah. Well, they get interrupted and this does answer your question. And I'm going to get interrupted by everyone's favored for Angi Quark. Right. Who comes in and he's got a noise complaint for his shitty upstairs

neighbor who turns out to be Odin. And Odin is like a shitty upstairs neighbor who turns out to be Odin. No, Mr. Bunkie. And Odin is like a shitty upstairs neighbor on purpose. Yeah, that's not nice. I don't, this makes me not like, I think we all have deep misgivings about Quark being that he is like attempted to sell everybody out multiple times and has done some like incredibly awful things. But none of his many crimes rise to the level of being a bad neighbor though. Right, exactly. And that's somewhere that Odo is not afraid to go. Right.

Yeah, that kind of passive aggressive neighbor behavior is something I've been familiar with over the years as both a recipient and a bad actor. It's not easy. Sometimes you can't help it, right? The building is just bad. There's nothing you can do to... In college, I rented a crappy apartment with some buddies and I was studying for a test

and I was apparently tapping a pencil on my desk and the sound of my pencil tapping was transmitting through the desk and the floor into the apartment below to the extent that they came up to complain about the tapping. Wow. Yeah, so that was like- That's a level of sound deadening

that I think the cardassians would appreciate. I felt bad, but I was also like, you know, at a certain point, like I need to like be able to study without questioning everything I do with my hands, you know. Hey, intoxicating combination of bad and incredulous. That is, combined to make you feel bad-credulous. It was my middle name in college. Yeah. Gold to cotton, gold to cotton.

So... You don't think this is gonna matter at any point. This quirk complaint, but it does. It matters and it comes up later in an interesting way. It sure does, but before we get to that, Shakar shows up. Shakar went to Supercats, Ben. He does not look the same.

He's got certified 90s hair now. I don't like this look, why'd they cut his hair? No, maybe they didn't have a choice. Maybe the actor who played him showed up on set having just come from Supercats. You know that episode where we were introduced to Shikar, introduced him as like the rugged farmer type, the X resistance fighter, real heroic guy.

As a diplomat, he's just uncertain of himself. He's not necessarily good at being a diplomat and that haircut, like all of it combines to just sort of paint a picture of a guy who's just, I think he's just less interesting now, right off the head. Right from jump. It's interesting that he kind of seized power back from Kai-Win. Yeah.

And now doesn't, doesn't seem to know what to do with it. It doesn't seem to have like an agenda past keeping it out of her hands, which I mean, I understand. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, he does seem a little bit milk toast. He's there to give a speech on the promenade, and he's got a couple of handlers, one of which looks just like Scott Glenn.

I couldn't get that out of my head. I'm not following you, Jonesy. Weird timing, because like he goes up to make a speech and Odo radios Tassisco saying that there's been a threat of assassination, like as it's going on, concurrently. Right. Not a lot can be done about it now.

And nothing is done about it. All we can do is go to theme, Ben. Yeah. Assassination threat to theme. All we can do is go to theme, Ben. Yeah. Assassination threat to theme is what we do. Yeah. And Odo, after the theme, is pissed that the speech went on after the threat was discovered, but Odo, like, he was mid-speech. Like are we expecting a end of Star Trek 6? Like jump on the mini tramp?

Mr. President! Oh! Oh! Take Shikar to the floor to protect him from a flying bullet situation. I mean, we've seen that type of shit go down on this show, I feel like. Yeah, yeah, agreed. So I don't know what exactly Odo was expecting here. But Odo, for the the entire episode is acting strangely.

Yeah, he starts strange and gets stranger as we go. I mean, the first thing that he does is re-mount Shikar and his little helper, his adjutant. And then they realize, Shikar's gonna be around for a while, and they got to really like take the security situation seriously because there's a lot of cranky people in the Bajorin-Cardassian part of space that they're in.

There's angry cardassians, there's angry, you know, humans in the maquill, there's extremist groups among Louis Doren's, the security situation is going to need a heavy atom. It's going to need somebody who's done security before. Someone who's only kryptonite is a door with a lock on it. Must be sealed. Yeah, inter-Mr. Wurf.

That's exciting. I love that one of the main security plans for Shakars visit is like a bucket brigade amount of security people in the hallway to his quarters. Yeah. Like if you're gonna have to get through all 40 of us to get to his door. And I want to believe that that came from Worf because if you if you manage to get to the door, it's over. Yeah. He doesn't understand him. Yeah.

And he expresses a real stress over adapting his security thinking to a deep space nine context because a lot of coming and going is a part of life on deep space nine and Worf who's used to, I kind of contained system where he can keep an eye on stuff that enters the ship fairly easily. Providing security was difficult enough aboard the Enterprise. This conversation between Odo and Warf, I think is my favorite part of this episode where they compare notes about what station life is like and how irritating it is. It's so fun. They're really like bonding over being ultra anal. Yeah, they're bonding over being bad friends too. Because Warp is like, God, you know what pisses me off?

Is that great hang and all around good person, Miles O'Brien coming over? Like, give me a break. How do I get that guy to leave? And Odo is like, well, you just don't invite him in. All he wants to do is share beer and be chill. Yeah, you need to make a guy like that uncomfortable. Like, you're not going to be a caco, but you can be caco adjacent.

You can put him ill at ease and he'll want to come over less often. Yeah. Yeah, I love the bonding that Odo and Whf have in this scene. It's probably the only high point to their relationship in it, because the rest of it is pretty contentious. It's a little bit of a sign-filled thing, like they don't like the pop-in. Yeah, yeah. She likes the pop-in.

I've told her how I hate the pop-in. He likes the pop-in too. That's probably because he knows you from the enterprise. Just popping now. I'm a big popping guy. Yes, I'm a Kramer. Oh, huge popping guy. Excisely.

But if you're writing like missing throats, modeling your characters out of Seinfeld is not a bad idea. No, that's a bad idea. Shikar presents kind of a security issue throughout the app because he is down with the idea of needing security, but he still wants to be a free man.

And so he likes to do things that are unplanned, like go on walks to places or visit a shrine on the station unannounced, like he just wants, he wants to be permitted a little bit of freedom. And this is making Odo and Worf's job difficult. Yeah, my wife works in politics and has spent quite a bit of her career lately like doing stuff like making sure a place

is not going to be controversial if a politician shows up there. And like, there's so much thinking about what goes into selecting just like something that a prominent politician is going to visit. And it always like really blows my mind hearing her to talk about it because it's like, like if you get to a certain level in politics, you basically can't exercise the kind of freedom that Chikaras is exercising. It's like, if you get to a certain level in politics, you basically can't exercise the kind of freedom that Chikara is exercising. You can't just walk out of your house

and down the street and into a store. Somebody needs to look into everything about that and make sure it's okay for a million different reasons. It's the Winston Churchill problem. Right. How can you represent people and not be a man of the people? I mean, if you're gonna legislate for common cause,

you wanna know what the commoners want. Right. And that seems to be part of his ankle. Shikar has an interesting relationship with Odo from Jump in that like, much in the same way that like I've told you, oh, you're gonna love hanging out with this friend when we go out and hang out while you're up here.

Like the referral friendship that that Odo represents to him is interesting because Kira says Odo's great. You're gonna love him. Like let him protect you. He's one of my best friends and she cars like, you know you're really weird Odo, but Kira like I put a lot of weight in what Kira says, so what's good with her is good with me. I mean, that's kind of the origin story of our friendship, right? When John Rodderick introduced us, we were like, I guess we are best friends now? Yeah, yeah, that carries a lot of weight.

That referral sure does. So, Shikar is doing a little meat and greet in front of the Bajuran shrine. There's like a moment where Odo's spidey senses start tingling when a woman like stoops over, but he realizes she's just picking up a baby. But that baby has a gun. And that baby shoots and kills Shikar. And because of the way the Bajuran government works, that baby is now the first minister. You think Shikhar walks down the promenade.

He looks left, he sees quarks, he looks right, he sees the shrine and he's like, God, should we like to play some dabo right now? Look at those babes in there. I know, that'd be super fun. God works sucks. What Chacana is on the station to do is make some arrangements for how the Bedurans are going to enter the Federation.

Right. Yeah, there's some negotiating to be done. And when you have a conference like this, there's a lot of social gatherings, attendant to it. And so we get like a party scene or because the is the catering to this party scene, but it seems like mostly kind of like Bedurin and Federation dignitaries and attendants. I feel like Kira got a new costume for this, the dress costume for formal events. Yeah. It's weird to see her in blue and not burgundy, you know?

Yeah, and she keeps it on for like, I mean, that everybody else put on their dress uniform for Chicago's arrival, but she's like, in this lavender get up for most of the episode, I feel like. She looks great and everyone does. I wish there were more occasions to wear the dress uniforms. I think it's cool just giving all the characters

a different look. I thought in the scene she was a little flirty with the adjutant guy. Oh, you better be good. I'm terrible. I thought the same. But you know, it's weird, right? It's sometimes it's easy to confuse flirty

with just being a cool hang and a nice person. And that's shitty, I think, often for women. And it's unfortunate that that was an easy read in that moment. She's just a friendly barista. She needs a tip, not your phone number. Right, exactly. And that's... God damn it.

So I'm the asshole. What's what you're saying? No, I don't think so, I think I think there is a moment where the Scott Glenn, Adgerson character is like kind of playing that game too, but I think they're just playing that cat like these things are so stuffy at least we can have a little bit of fun. Like that was neat. I think they were exchanging that currency over flirtatious currency. Yeah, well, and he walks off and then she walks up to Odo and it's kind of a similar vibe like Odo is like taking everything super seriously and she kind of

She kind of lets the pressure out of that tire, you know, yeah, yeah You have to stare like that. I think it's making people nervous. She asks him about his belt. Mm-hmm I really like the special effect of him Warping a belt onto his jacket. He like the special effect of him morphing a belt onto his jacket. He, uh, he's like a children's magician sometimes with, with the drama he gives to these moments. I have expected him to like put his thumb in his mouth and blow his cheeks out. Well, he made the belt appear and they actually fill the room.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he is charming when he wants to be. And this is like one of the rare moments where Odoke is charming in this moment. Yeah, like he's a little nervous, but he kind of overcomes it to put that charm on. Yeah, yeah.

Braden led their belt has never cooled though, Odo. Those days were long gone. Yeah, it's not 1994. But I mean, this is emblematic of a theme that we'll see for the rest of the episode, which is Kira innocently mentioning something, you know, of note, like she notices something about him and then he wants to make her happy. Yeah. And that's attention that ends up being pretty destructive.

Well, I've always said that the third guy you flirt with at a party is the one you're and that's attention that ends up being pretty destructive. Well, I've always said the third guy you flirt with at a party is the one you're going to wind up going home with. Yeah, I mean, if only Kira had popped a cork and hit Odo with it, they could have enjoyed a glass of champagne later on. But instead she, she like is heading out and Choucar is like, hey, where are you going so fast? And they leave together at him. Oh, don't can't have this for a variety of reasons. It's a security problem, but also like he's protective over and he sees the beginning of a cozy relationship

that is threatening to him. One of the things I really liked about the way this scene was blocked was that Cork clocks, what Odo is doing in the scene. Like he reads it for what it is and not what Odo is trying to present it as. Yeah. And you get that whole thing. I almost thought they could have gone in the direction of like Quark also is madly in love with Kira and realizes that Odo is among his competition.

Yeah, I mean, these are some matters that I want to interrogate with you as the episode goes on because like the way that a lot of this plays out makes me feel like you could make the case that that Odo considers himself an in-sell and his jealousy of Shikar is such that like it's it's so destructive to him that he ends up burning himself in the fire that he creates, you know, as a result. Like he just destroys himself over this. And you could view Odo's actions in that way and it makes him terrible. Yeah, I mean, it doesn't help. They show him scrolling through some of the more unsavory parts of Reddit, and as obviously later. I mean, but at the same time, the depiction of someone

who has a crush on someone else, and then that person becomes interested in a different person who isn't you, like that shit happens all the time, and it's hard. And Odo shows us how hard that is. So what I'm trying to say is like, there's a, you could look at this through very dark glasses and it could change your opinion of Odo, or you could view it as a little more innocent than that. What I saw it as is Odo needs a dad, and specifically he needs Joseph Sisko. Wow.

This was something that was described explicitly in the last episode, a time when Ben Sisko was real sprung on a girl and was like letting it eat him alive. And his dad came and said, just like, you gotta go, you know, you gotta do something about it. Wow. There's no sitting and marinating in it. It's an effie boom on kind of thing. Effie boom on. What thing. Effig boom on.

What a crush I had on her. A Joesusco callback. I love it. Yeah. That's the advice. You know, you'd think all the time about how alone Odo has to feel. And the isolation he's got to feel on the station

is being the only one of his kind. But the element I don't often think about is how anything maternal or paternal is something, is a relationship that he doesn't have. No one gives him advice or tells him how to be. He had that guy in the lab a long time ago. And then he has a few of his friendships on the station and that's it. Yeah. And he kind of rejected the guy in the lab guy. I mean, for good reason. I didn't

really have a lot to offer Odo in terms of like parental, yeah. Advice. Showing him the way. Yeah. He needs a, he needs a model. A model of good behavior is what he needs. Yeah. And not just a model that he can perfectly mimic the shape of. Right. He's a model, a model of good behaviors what he needs. Yeah, and not just a model that he can perfectly mimic the shape of. Right. He's a little like data in that way. You really feel for him in the scene where he's like going through this and Shakar winds up asking him for advice about what to do about Kira. Yeah, that was really devastating, right?

Wow. Man. And it's hard because like, Odo is never fun. He's never fun to be around or necessarily easy as a hang. And he gets so much time just, that's the one thing you can say about Shikar.

Shikar's pretty milk toasty in this episode, but Shikar also has like just an easy vibe about him. He's not really worked up about shit. And that is, chill is not what Odo is. Ever. It has no chill. Yeah.

Shakar is in the scene like confesses that he has some feelings for Kira and isn't sure where to place them. Yeah. How to move on it. I'm afraid to see anything because it might ruin our friendship. Uh, Oto suggests, oh, maybe she's still like bent out of shape over a, a vetik beryl and needs, needs more time.

There's a puzzle that Shakara is very innocently trying to solve. He doesn't realize how much pain he's inflicting on Oto in using Oto is the sounding board. Right. Because in Shakara's defense, Oto has never made his feelings clear to anyone. Right. The only time he ever made his feelings clear was in that cave and it wasn't really Kira. It was a change leader. Right.

Chikar articulates his feelings for Kira that could be Odo's feelings exactly. Like all of his concerns about blowing up a friendship, possibly being the risk of sharing his true feelings with her, like they might as well be thoughts ripped out of Odo's mind. Yeah. And that's what makes it so painful is like, Odo's sitting there like, God, like, how do you know? How do you know all this?

Yeah. It should bring them closer, but it just can't. It can't because it makes them competition. There are movies and TV plots where two guys that both love the same girl, like get in league with each other in some way, like to knock out the, I don't know, the other guy that she's with or something.

This never indulges in that storyline. All of this is much more realistically isolating for Odo. It makes them feel like there's nobody he can go to, which is why it's such a fun twist of irony that Quirk is the one to confront him about this. Yeah, like that. That was a great choice by this script to make him that mouthpiece. You are in a bad mood today.

They're prepping for the big conference in the word room and Odo is finding Ferengy listening devices that Quark has stuck in the bowl of fruit, but Quark is also, you know, unearthing Odo's, Odo's dirty business. That fruit looked overripe to me, Ben. Get those brown streak bananas out of there. They're brown streak, but they're also green. Yeah, weird. Are they those like apple bananas,

the like little miniature ones? Because they also didn't seem like very long. I don't know. I don't know what it is, but didn't seem very appetizing to me. That's probably why Quark hid the listening device there. And you know one was gonna go for a piece of fruit. It's just a still life.

Still life with listening device. Yeah. That famous painting. Yeah, one of the best. They wrote that one off though. You can't get too close. Yeah. Quark in the scene calls him out on his bad mood and knows exactly the reason why. And Odo being confronted with the truth reacts poorly. and Odo being confronted with the truth reacts poorly. Yeah. This is not necessarily a great look for him. This is emblematic of everything about Odo. Like I think Quark in this scene could provide some comfort.

Like if he's outed by Quark for his unrecoited love for Kira, there's a moment in there where Odo could be like, I don't know what to do, man. Like, you're a bartender. Tell me anything about what relationships are like. Quark is a wealth of knowledge in this area and Odo instead chooses to be embarrassed. Yeah, he can't be vulnerable with anyone

and at least of all Quark. Yeah, he can't be vulnerable with anyone and least of all quirk. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I understand their professional relationship makes that impossible, but I think quirk has so much advice to give if Odo would only be curious. Yeah. And it's not like Odo is making fun of him over at either. He's just astonished that he figured out the truth like he's not throwing it in Oto's face. I don't think no Yeah, I think that's there's a now. I'm gonna run. I'm gonna run. I'm gonna run. I'm gonna run. I'm gonna run.

I'm gonna run. I'm gonna run. I'm gonna run. A lot of this episode is about Odo going on these very devastating walks where he is being the bodyguard essentially to hear in Chikar as they fall further in love with each other. Yeah. Yeah, you can really tell the intimacy of a relationship from behind, right?

Like that's the angle where you can tell someone's posture and how close they're leading into someone and like the lingering touches. Like it's right there in front of them. It is during one of these walks that an attempt is actually made on Chikar's life. They're on an elevator and Odo is so distracted by how Levy-Deevy they're starting to become with each other, that he fails to do some element of his security procedure.

A work to photo, a triple lift is stuck on level 41. We are going to have to re-root you. his security procedure. Commander Warf is apparently just like running security from like a booth with a bunch of TVs somewhere, but we never see him. He's just a radio guy for most of this episode. The eagle is on the move, Mr. Warf. The tarot cell is actually fairly sophisticated because they're able to use Warf's voice in this scene to get some intel from Odo, which which creates the issue That plays out here like like Odo like Odo and Warf have a plan for figuring out if they're actually talking to each other and it involves a code and Odo does not wait

for that code to happen. Yeah, he just goes for it and then he has to turn his hand into some kind of middle press to stop the elevator from falling. I tell you what, here is gotta wonder what Odo could do to the inside of her turbo lift shaft after this scene, right? Right? Like, wow, how could, I mean, that's cool as Shakira is in this moment.

Like, you gotta look over there at those fucking hammers and be like, damn. Damn. Later on, Odo debriefs Cisco about the incident and Cisco sees right through this. He's like, Odo, what the fuck is wrong with you, man? Like, this isn't something that you usually fuck up. Like, you're not usually distracted by love guy. Yeah. And Odo actually cops to like, hey, man, I'm just going through some stuff right now.

I'm listening to a lot of sad music. You know how it is. I've been up late at night on our slash red pill. I feel like I'm really going down a spiral. It's not good for me. Yeah, sis goes pissed and he should be Keep your eye on the ball, Odo. I mean, they have like a good enough relationship that Odo can say like, hey, it's personal and I don't wanna talk about it and also it's not gonna happen again. Yeah. And that is satisfactory for Cisco.

Cisco's like, well, I guess my plan B is warf, so I guess I'm gonna take a compromised Odo over that. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. I got that math pencils out in my mind. Yeah, we're forgot what he wants, which is that the station has been locked down. So they know that there's a perp on the loose somewhere on the station,

and now they're not letting ships come or go so that they can nail this person. Right, there are a lot of Odo's behaviors that could be seen through a creepy lens. Maybe the most creepy part is when Odo stations himself outside of Kira's quarters all night while Shikars inside. And what's going on here seems pretty pervy.

Because he relieves the door man and takes the rest of his shift. And man, I think it's gross to think that he just wants to be close to it during. Yeah. If you have a glass, leave it behind. I want to listen through the door. Yeah.

I kind of wanted them to come out at the end of this shift and have Odo be a little bit flaky, though he gets when he hasn't had his sleepy time. Wow, that would have been great. Like just a little bit flaky, though he gets when he hasn't had his sleepy time. Wow, that would have been great. Just a tiny, tiny bit. You know, just a hint of Odo. That's a good punch up, Odo.

Like I think we've used the word pain a couple of times in this episode, having to do with Odo's feelings. And I think probably no part is more painful than him than being invited into Kira's after Shikar leaves. Yeah. And she's still like in the bathrobe and they're still the bucket with the champagne and more painful than him than being invited into Kira's after Shikar leaves. Yeah. And she's still like in the bathrobe and they're still the bucket with the champagne and the half-drunk glasses sitting out.

Yeah. It's like everything he's ever wanted to have with her in the aftermath. I thought it was really great, Misa and Sen, the pot of flowers on her coffee table, a bunch of flowers that look like limp penises. Yeah, and much like Shikar telling Odo of his feelings about Kira and that like being the slap to one cheek. Kira's confidence in him about her feelings in Shikar are the slap to the other yeah

And you talked a bunch about body language earlier and the way she Physically interacts with him in a private space like this is so intimate, you know She's like hugging him from behind when when she says like oh you wanted to ask me something like what was that about like she is Like her nose is an inch from his nose. She is in kissing range, man like all of all of those signals are You know like and and it is like sibling-like affection that she feels for him But you know that takes on like and I feel like she's acted like that around him plenty of times on the show. She's not changing her behavior, yeah. It feels really different in this episode.

Yeah, yeah, because there's this, this underpinning of conflict that plays throughout. And, and again, like, I want to be clear, Kira is not doing anything wrong. No. In fact, I fact, I really loved this scene because of how palpable her joy in it is. Yeah. Like her joy is like, like if you're watching it for, I want Gary to be happy, it is infectious,

and if you're watching it for, I want Ode to be happy, it's a fucking knife. It is real salty sweet all at the same time, and it's really well done. Yeah. Wheeeee! What a predicament! Morning, morning, morning,

morning, steaming sweet, morning, morning, morning, evening everybody, morning, stop, have a time. Odo gets back to his office where Worf has finished the security. What'd he do? He was responsible for the attack on First Minister Shikar. What? They're locking him up.

Odo is just like, all right. Oh, take your word for it. One of my low key favorite parts of this episode is the compliment that Worf pays Odo at the end of this. Odo is feeling super bad about not being present for any of it, and he feels guilty about his ill participation, and warfs like, no, dude, like, your deputies are awesome, and you are a great constable here, like, because they are well trained and good, like, they made my job easy. And that's, uh, that's like, what you want to hear if

you're a boss, right? Yeah. You got your team is whipped into shape. But it doesn't make him feel any better because he is still reeling from the morning with Kira. And so he decides to take it out on his quarters. Yeah. One of the things he takes it out on, Ben, was a gift from Kira. Like the flowers in the bucket?

Yeah, his old bucket and the plant that Kira gave him go over the side along with a bunch of other shit that he breaks. The Apple store is not gonna fix that computer for free. Yeah, no. It was obviously user-caused damage. Yeah. Did something gold hit the screen? Because I don't think that's covered under warranty.

I don't know how that happened. I just opened it up one day and the screen was like that. Yeah. Quark obviously hears the ruckus and is actually able to punch into the room like using the using the code which is great. Kind of undercutting everything worst set in the last scene about whether or not Odo is good at security. Quark and bypass the security chief's door. the chief's door. Yeah. The indignity for Odo of being called out on the carpet by Quirk is, I mean, it really adds insult to injury. The fact that it is Quirk, you're going like, I can't believe you're so in love.

What a tragedy for you. It takes passion to do something like this. And I always thought you were colder than a brain wind. Their relationship is so interesting and this is a scene that like adds to that legend. Like quarks so often hides good advice in being a shitty forangi. And like that's sort of what's happening here. He's like, look man, I'm losing a ton of money because of you because I always bet on the favorites and you on the favorite. And you're the favorite in the station

when it comes to busting crime. And clearly you're off your game. Like pour yourself into your work. It'll make you feel better. And Odo is... Thank me, Rich. Odo is just fucking destroyed. I read an interesting thing about this scene, Ben,

which was like having to do with Odo's must hair. Yeah, I thought that was an interesting detail. This was the actor's choice. René Abbersenwa chose to pull some hair down because he saw a picture of a Japanese print of a warrior in defeat and I feel like I've seen this print before. And the warriors, like the Japanese warrior were often have their hair tied back. And after battle, this warrior was defeated and his hair was down in his face,

and that was the inspiration for this look for Odo. But that was pretty interesting stuff. Yeah, that's a fantastic bit of research. I can't believe you did that. I know. I can't believe it either. It was just too interesting of a choice like it couldn't have been unmotivated, you know?

Like that's what sent me down that path. Yeah, the conclusion that he draws in this scene is pretty devastating. He goes to Kira's office and to make matters worst of all, perhaps. She is put on the pizza oven killing top. It is with her dressed like that that he has to tell her that he doesn't want to, he wants to kind of limit their contact. You know, I think there was a thought when he walked in about turning himself into a pizza oven for the conversation.

And then he saw what she was wearing and he's like, oh, that was close. Never mind. I'm afraid I won't be able to make hot Tuesday morning meetings anymore. It's a very hard thing for him and she doesn't really understand why and I thought it was very interesting that she doesn't press him. She can sense that he's in a lot of pain and discomfort and doesn't know what it's about. But hold on a second, do you think that she doesn't know what it's about or do you think she knows what it's about?

I don't think she knows. I am not as confident as you are about that. Another question I wanted to ask you was, do you think Odo came there at first to tell her that he loved her and then got cold feet and instead pivoted into making less time. Because there's such a pregnancy to the moment, the moment the door opens to him finally speaking, feels so heavy like he's actually working the math out of how he's going to do it.

And I wonder if there's just more going on in his head than what we end up getting. I don't know. I've never been a person who is like brave enough to express those things in most circumstances. So, the taking the easy way out of limiting contact and retreating felt like the natural conclusion to me? Yeah, it did. It was a, I mean, no matter how you read it, I think it's a satisfying and heartbreaking thing because no one's happy at the end of this scene. No.

No, no, it's sad for having to do this. Kira is sad for a change in their friendship and a more limited contact with someone that she really likes hanging out with. I think it's really well done. Yeah. You really want to do this. Here.

Now, okay, okay, let's do it. The button on the episode is Odo in Quark's bar. We get a little wrap up on the Odo as bad upstairs neighbor story, which is that he has chosen to have some soundproofing installed in his floor. This is another moment which in totality, like if you didn't watch the episode and you just bullet pointed the things that Odo did, soundproofing his room at the end of it is kind of a dark that Odo did. Soundproofing his room at the end of it is kind of a dark prediction of something to come. It's like buying a windowless van, how to know where. Like, probably. Does not bowed well.

Yeah, the next episode, he's like, humping a couch in hallway and Kiri comes along. He's like, do you mind helping me get this in to hide my apartment? I hurt my hand. Yeah, if you could just back it in. I don't even need to tuck my penis in before my legs. Yeah. You could just suck it in. Yeah. The button on the episode is like, you know, we sometimes get a composition like this to depict

a lonely person, a person alone in a room full of people. And that is what we get on Odo's walk near Quarks, right? Like, like, he is, he is maybe as alone as he's ever been and Surrounded by the people that he is there to protect and occasionally befriend. It's a Kind of a like not a happy ending certainly Certainly not he's kind of repelled from the room by Kira and Chikar being in their goofing around and having a great time with each other. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, DS9 is a small town.

How many places to hide from this stuff? Yeah, but importantly, I think that it is now more populist than the entrepreneur was. Yeah, they mentioned a number, right? Like in the 1500 range or something? I think 1200 is what I remember. Yeah, like that's, and that was like one section that they were talking about. Yeah, yeah.

So a lot of people live there now. Did you like the episode Adam? Yeah, I mean, I really did. I was shocked to, you know, this show has been broad for many episodes now in story and tone. And this was so gentle and nuanced. I really didn't know if the show was capable of this. And like infatuation is an easy story to tell.

You see it all the time and it's much easier of a story to tell than a story about a person who is frustrated because he doesn't allow because this person doesn't allow themselves to try something that they want to try. That's extremely difficult as a story compared to infatuation. There's a million rom-com movies that are about infatuation. Right. They're in relation very few stories that are that are more quietly told in the way this one is. And stories that end like this one does with the regret of an action not taken. And the glimpse of a future that

doesn't really give a person much hope. And that's what makes this episode tough, because there's not a lot of hope for Odo right now. And as hard as that is to experience, it made it a very good episode. I think that the fact that they depict it, as you say, as infatuation, but also don't, he doesn't become a core element of his identity or something that he blames her for.

He's also really strong. Like, there's plenty of times where... It degrosses it, too, very specifically. If that turned into kind of like an outward anger, it would be real nasty. And instead, it's about him kind of coming up against a personal limitation. And you know, for a character with as many like magical capabilities as he has, that's a big challenge, I'm sure. He never weaponizes her kindness against her in a,

but what about when you do this and you come over all the time and you gave me that hug from behind? Like what was that supposed to mean? Like he never does that and I think that is so fucking crucial to us not thinking Odo's a piece of shit. He's a guy with a crush.

Yeah. Yeah. A guy with a crush that didn't act on it, but also doesn't blame that on the girl he had the crush on. Not acting on a crush is Odo's resting state. If the, if the crush is experiencing a life that contains a multitude of interesting experiences, like that's what he's doing. He's making this choice at every turn with a multitude of interesting experiences. Like, that's what he's doing. He's making this choice at every turn with a lot of circumstances. Yeah.

And like, that's the greatest form of, like, human tragedy is like, you look back on your life and it's full of regrets for not doing shit. Like, that he's adding up a lot of years here. Yeah. And the math isn't kind. I want to live a life of no regards. Right? That's why I want to go check out our P1s. No regards. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Need a supplement on? A supplement? A supplement.

A supplement. Yeah, it's extra. The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship. Adam, we got a couple of priority one messages here. The first is of a promotional nature. All right. Those like this. Do you think ode to spot is a pretty good poem?

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But yeah, the, it looks like, uh, Chico, California is where the beauty of Maine Society is, and, uh, there, uh, that is definitely a part of the country that is dealing with fires all the time, and, uh, and that, that hits animals as well. So, uh, really great cause, and I'm, uh, I'm glad some FODs are banding together to support something like that Yeah, me too. One more time, where can you find those guys? It's beautyhumane.org beauty.te

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More like drunk Shimodo Jesus Yeah it's Odo for me. I mean, and it's not like, I don't want to cut the guy down because he's hurting, but you gotta say what you want to say, man. Like, you gotta take that Joe Sisko advice. You gotta do that.

You know, it sounds like Joe Sisko wants some people to talk to. He needs it clearly because he won't leave his restaurant customers alone. Ben Sisko should have put him in touch with pops. Get a nice FaceTime relationship going between the two where Joe could share some advice. Yeah. That's not a bad idea. Yeah. So that's my Shemota. Yeah, so that's my charmote.

What about you, Ben? My charmote is quark for that terrible bug placement. I liked the idea of a bug in a bowl of fruit, but it was like on top of a banana that was under the first layer of fruit. Like, Oto picked up one thing and the bug was right there. That's that smart, Quark. Quark is for Rengie smart in a lot of ways, but he is not spy smart in any way. I mean, I guess he broke into Odo's quarters.

That's being spy smart. Yeah. So I don't know. He's kind of a moving target in terms of his intelligence, right? I think that's the best way to think about it. Well, what do we have coming up on the next episode, Ben? Oh, well, on the next episode, season four, episode 13,

returned to Grace, a demoted du-cott in List Kira's Aid, in regaining his former status at the Cardassian Empire. Hmm. I wonder if this is fallout for going home with his daughter who was in a mining camp or whatever. The interview for Ducat's happening and they're like, well, do you have any references or anything? And Ducat's like, well, you're not going to believe this. And Ducats like, well, you're not going to believe this. Yeah, interesting. Alright, I like Golducat as an interesting character, so let's bring him back. That sounds fun.

Are we going to be watching this episode in a particular way? Well, let's head over to Gach, that biz-slash game, where the game of buttholes for Will of the Prophets can be found. This is a Wheel of Fate for this show. Currently our runabout is on Square 9. It's right on the doorstep of a Coco No-no episode. We could also hit a fuck it, we'll do a live episode, which would be very complicated. Yeah, that would be kind of a nightmare to be honest.

You're required to learn as you play, role. But here we go, I'm gonna roll the dice. Chula! Did I win? Oh thank goodness Adam, we skipped over. Bucket will do it live, We're on Squirt Thirteen. And that is a regular old episode, yeah? It sure is.

So next time we will be regularing. I love it. It's so hard to say it's to be regular. Aspirational regularity is, I mean, it's a lifetime journey, Ben, this is what I'm trying to say. I gotta know if I'll ever get to that destination, but it's worth trying.

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who makes all the custom theme music for the show. You can check out his amazing cooking YouTube channel. Yeah, definitely do. Just search Adam Ragusia on YouTube. Make yourself a great steak or a chicken parm or any number of things. I think he's got like a dozen recipes up now. Yeah. Some good pizza. Yeah. I haven't made that pizza yet but I want to. Make that pizza. Yeah. And we should thank Dark Materia who made the original theme music for our program. Hey you know what? What? If you haven't left a five star review of the show, I think you need to go over there right

now and do it. Just get it done! Go get it done! Just make it happen. Two minutes max. 5 stars and then a thing you like about Ben and a thing you like about me, that's all, that's all you need to do. That's not so hard, is it?

It is not hard. I can think of literally a dozen great things about Ben and zero things about me. You, you, the reviewer of the show, are not either of us, so you'll probably have an easier time coming up. Hope we step for both. Check out the other shows on the Maximum Fun Network, including our shows, The Greatest Discovery and Friendly Fire, and check out Friendly Fire Live on tour. You can get tickets for that at FriendlyFire.fm slash live.

You're going to love seeing Friendly Fire live, and if you haven't listened to the show by now, get into it, it is a ton of fun. People love it. Indeed. With that, we'll be back at you next time with another great episode of Star Trek Deep Space 9 and an episode of the greatest generation Deep Space 9,

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