The Greatest Generation - One Horn Player Does Not Make an Artist Community (DS9 S2E10)

Episode Date: April 30, 2018

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and season two of Star Trek Picard. We've set up a page where you can also contribute. It's at friendsofdecotoforlabor.com. That's friendsofdecotoforlabor.com. That's friendsofdisotoforlabor.com. Link in the episode description. Okay, now let's get on with the show. Welcome to the greatest generation, Deep Space 9. It's a Star Trek podcast by a couple of guys who are a little bit embarrassed to have a Star Trek podcast. I'm Ben Harrison.

I'm Adam Pranica. Ben, I'm in my regular studio space, but you're doing a little bit of an away game, right? I am, yeah, I'm actually in my parent's basement, where all Star Trek podcast rightly should be cast from. The spiritual home of the greatest generation, really. Yeah, I'm here in the Bay Area, I had some work and the trip for work happened to kind of coincide with proximity to my father's 75th birthday, so we're going to go out to dinner tonight to celebrate that.

That's great. Happy birthday, Ben's dad. I don't know if I can say his name. Can I say happy birthday Sam? Yeah, you can say happy birthday Sam. Happy birthday Sam. One of the greats. One of the greatest. Do you have like a special family restaurant that you go to for occasions? I know you've said a few times that your parents and law have like their regular spot,

but do your parents have a regular spot? They don't really. I did it to the extent that we do. It would be Shea Penis, which is a legendary restaurant here in the Bay Area. But that makes it sound like we have lots of money, which we don't. That's been like a place that is nice to go to on the very rare occasion that we are going to splash out for somebody's birthday. Sure. very rare occasion that we are gonna splash you out for somebody's birthday. Sure. But I've probably not been there in 10 or 20 years.

I mean, I- It's still there. Yeah, it's going strong. I'm very excited to return to it because it's always changing and it's an amazing place. 75's a big deal. Yeah. Dad's still working though, huh? Still grinding away.

He ever talk about retirement. Like, do you ever wish retirement for him? What's that about? Why is he still working? I feel like, I mean, my dad is a real, is a worker. Like, when he goes on vacation, he finds projects often messy and stressful and physically demanding projects to do. he finds projects often messy and stressful

and physically demanding projects to do, to occupy himself. And I do have like some fears that retirement is not necessarily going to be a net good for him. I also don't think that like working for the rest of his life is gonna be good for him. So I don't have like a strong recommendation either way when it comes up in conversation, but it's something that he has been thinking about lately. And I found he works at the airport in San Francisco. And I found a piece of paper on my parents' counter this morning that had very specific rules about what happens

with your badge, your employee badge, when you stop working at the airport. I don't know if that means anything, but yeah, I guess it makes sense that they would have strong feelings about what you do with your employee badge when you work at an airport. But it was real intense. about what you do with your employee badge when you work at an airport. Right. But it was real intense. If you don't turn it in within three days, you will not be allowed to come back to the airport for any reason. That seems fair.

Yeah. Really airports in this country have grown into some of the more hardened locations on earth, I think. Yeah. You gotta keep those badges safe. Yeah. They need those thinking badges. Do you think, like, this desire to work by your dad, this is turning into a little bit of a therapy session?

Like, do you see that in yourself as something that you fight against? I don't. I think that I'm to the extent that this is possible, like a little bit have a war between my parents raging in my psyche at all times. Yeah. My dad's kind of a messy guy and my mom is a very neat and tidy person.

And I am like this weird mix where I like let the mess accumulate and then flip out and purge and Get everything back to neat and tidy and then rinse and repeat And you'd say your mom is more Paula Abdul and your dad is more DJ's cat cat I guess so yeah, I never thought of it that way My mom will be so excited to hear herself compared to Paula Abdul. Just as excited as you sound. I'm sure. It will be interesting to see what goes down when that retirement does pop off because I'm sure that it's probably happening sooner than later. Yeah, you start seeing memos about badge hygiene. You know, it's probably happening sooner than later. Yeah, you start seeing memos about bad hygiene.

You know, it's probably common. Yeah. I wonder what happens when people, like, in the 24th century, everybody that works is working because they want to. But, I mean, do workaholics exist when it's not about money? Or I mean, I guess?

I mean, Scotty famously got a win-of-bago shuttle and just went off to live on some tropical planet. Like I think the idea of retirement exists in the abstract, if not the... Well, Scotty always wanted to see Montana. Sure. The last square job that you had, we both had square jobs once upon a time. Do you remember that last day that you had, like packing up your shit and leaving and how

that felt? Well, the only square job I ever had, I had for about nine months and I was fired over the phone while I was at a funeral. Oh, geez. Yeah. That's nice. Yeah. I don't have strong positive associations with having gainful employment.

Right. Right. And, yeah, I don't feel real great about how I left my last job either, but I think it was mutually beneficial. Is that because you went around the third floor and left upper deckers in every single toilet? What's that called like a loving separation? Oh, a conscious encoupling. Yeah, we had a conscious encoupling.

It became more and more clear today was not... I did not have the temperament. Like after... It took me 12 years in the same workplace to get to this point. So it wasn't like I was a shitbag for 12 years, but I think you finally, you wake up to the idea that a workplace isn't for you. And that's the time to go.

And maybe your dad just hasn't gotten there yet. When I got that phone call, the lady said, I'm calling to tell you that your position at our company has been eliminated. And I said, what does that mean? She said, well, it means that you don't have a position because the position has been eliminated. And I said, all right, but does that mean I work there or that I don't work there?

God, that is just some chicken shit HR speak, right? God, give me a fucking break. Yeah, like the boy, the way the way the HR department at that company communicated to employees was like either extremely condescending or entirely without the courage of its convictions, like one or the other. And about four months after I left, they had a big sexual harassment scandal with somebody in another department, so go figure. with somebody in another department, so go figure. Yeah, that's great. Well, as ever, everyone already knows this HR department's own on your side.

Yeah, they're there to protect the company. Yeah. Do you want to slip into something a little bit more Star Trek at them? Oh yeah, I think I would like that very much. Let's pivot into a season two episode, episode 10, it's called Sanctuary. What, what, what, what, what,

do you realize how incredible this is? Oh, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, Kiri getting in trouble for kind of slipping at work. She's getting in trouble from Cisco because she is kind of too focused on trying to personally save all of Bayjor from all of its problems and not focused enough on like what her actual job is. What would you say you do here? I mean, you see this allotted in a professional environment. This is friendship masquerading as professional counseling like this is a this is Cisco showing concern for a coworker because

He's noticed like he's noticed she's slipping and it also conveys a kind of intimacy between them that we haven't seen before because they're finishing each others sandwiches. Yes, they're finishing each other's sandwiches? Yes, they're finishing each other's sandwiches in the scene on the regular. And that's a good, that's a good shorthand for characters growing close, right? It is a good shorthand for characters growing close. And I think that this sort of feels like a,

maybe a turning point for Kira and for her relationship with Sisko. I think that she seems more comfortable in her role. In a weird way, her kind of slipping and not turning in work on time is a sign of comfort. I'll get this done when I get it done. It's a sign of confidence. you know? Like I'll get this done when I get it done. It's a sign of confidence, you know? Yeah, and I think we've always viewed Cisco's management style as fairly inflexible. Like I'm struggling to think of a specific instance where like that

would support that argument in any way, but he's very like thoughtful in how he manages people and he manages everyone a little bit differently and the way he manages Kira in this way is like he he understands her challenges and not completing her tasks on time and it's not the end of the world that she doesn't. He's also kind of busting her chops in a loving way. Yeah. The like, yeah, your voice carries. I know you've been on the phone all day with the Ministry of Agriculture or whatever.

I guess in the 24th century future, they don't install those white noise machines in their open concept office environment and ops. Yeah. Those things really knock down the crosstalk noise that you get in an office environment. I've always won't, like, I don't want to work in an office ever again, but if I do, I want my own office. I think that is the cost of doing business with me.

If you ever can hire me on a full-time basis, I think it's going to be a part of my salary requirements is private office with lockable opaque door. Yeah. I don't want to get caught jacking at her work at him. Yeah, I mean, it's look. It's going to take an office. It's going to take an opaque door. It's going gonna have to take fuck you money to get me off of this microphone too. So you know, no rest for the wicked. Kira is just finishing up getting chewed out by Sisko when she's told that Quark needs her attention very urgently.

Perfect. And she heads down to the bar where a bejurean is playing the version of the theme song for solo flute. I didn't even think of the possibility that the theme song for Deep Space 9 might be an orchestral bejurean tune. Yeah, I mean, I guess it makes sense that it might be. It's very like a smooth jazzy, you know? Yeah, it's like it's it's the yani at the acropolis version of the theme song. John Tess would be too loud and rock and roll for this interpretation of the theme song. And you know

for that reason and that reason alone, Quark is very irritated by the fact that it's going down. I don't quite know how acts get booked at Quark's bar, but this seems to have taken him by surprise. And he is not pleased that the music isn't very lively. Yeah, because everyone's attention is wrapped on Varani and his weird electrohorn. Like no one's gambling, no one's hardly drinking.

Morn has a lady friend who's draped over him. Yeah. She wants that hammer bin. Yeah, she heard about the hammer. I was a little bit surprised that it was a federation clothed person like like mourn can pull federation. Like that's surprising to me. I don't know why I thought I thought he would be more he'd be too exotic for them. I guess this

reputation has gotten around. It's swampy. I'm like a swamp. I mean yeah I think he's you know he's he's probably a good listener. He's packing a hammer. I mean, what lady wouldn't want that? It's a hell of a combination. Yeah. I mean, Dax is definitely curious anyways, right? Yeah. Yeah, and she's a federation. It's true. Who she talking to? She's putting it out in the street bin.

Yeah. Yeah, I wonder like, what Dax, if Dax had showed up in this scene, which he had been super jealous of this lady that's, uh, that's got more and wrapped around her little finger. Oh boy, I wish we saw that. That would be fun. Yeah. Well, we don't see that, but we do see Akira have a conversation with the

floutist in question and he's like a pretty chill dude. He's like, oh, yeah, you want less concert hall, more music hall like like he gets it. He knows he knows how the lat gets stacked. He also makes a comment about uh, he's like, what are you doing about that group of artists and musicians on Beyshore? I think it's super important that we, like we've reclaimed our absent architectural heritage, we must also reclaim our artistic heritage, which up to now has never been referred to other than like really abstractly like we're told time and time again

Bajorans are great artists. Yeah, and great architects and great great creative minds, but again poor Verani like he's a he's a talented horn player, but like one horn player does not make an artist community. It is so weird. There are so few times in the history of Star Trek, when we have been presented with a culture as being great at a kind of creative work, and then seen that creative work and actually had that sentiment pay off.

I think that's the hardest part of creating a world though. Like I totally get it. Like in order to have it be viable and true, you have to demonstrate its truth and to demonstrate the truth of something's greatness requires that proof. And this show is incapable of making Varani a brilliant smooth jazz player. Like they're just not going to put in the work to do that. Right. I mean, I would say that the only like analogous situation where the art was actually really

impressive was that dolphin that that kid carved. That's, I think, God. That is the best art piece the show has ever created. I mean, besides, horse playing saxophone, I think that's it. Yeah. I don't think they can claim all the credit for horse playing saxophone. What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing now? I'm not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not-be-car, not be-car, not be-car, not-be-car, not-be-car, not-be-car, not-be-car, not-be-car, not-be-car, not-be-car, not-be-car, not-be-car, not-be-car, not-be-car, not-be-car, not-be-car, not-be-car, not-be-car, not-be-car, not-be-car, not-be-car, not-be-car, not-be-car, not-car, not-be-car, not-be-car, not-be-car, not-be-car, not-be-car, not-be-car, not-car, not-car, not-be at the bar when an unknown and failing starship comes through the wormhole. And this thing is really on its last legs. O'Brien pulls an old school move and beams them, these aliens off of their busted up ship right before it us blowed. And they like, they materialize

on the pad and they're like, they're kind of peasants, right? They've got peasant clothes. This is a pro-activate. This is an alien race that has not discovered moisturizer. They're permanently middle school. They achieved warp travel, but they did not figure out. They're not going to be able to get the Yeah, that's great. I mean, I guess they're permanently middle school, right? They achieved warp travel, but they did not figure out how to take care of their skin. They had yet to discover peroxide. Their faces are the part of a house

in house hunters renovation addition that is definitely gonna be scraped and repainted. They've got popcorn sealing faces. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's great for acoustics, but not so easy on the eyes. I just have a general question. The episode answers this specific to these aliens. But it would seem that most people who travel through

the wormhole do so by accident. These people, we come to find out have been searching for such a wormhole and have a name for it and everything. But it seems strange to me. Yeah, they have majoring analogous legend about it, even. Yeah, it seems strange that so many people who come through seem so shocked to to be there. Yeah, you think that word would have gotten out. Right. You know what the head can in this for me is like once you go through, you don't want to go back. Like how

how would news of that proliferate through the gamma quadrant, if not for return trips from people telling the tale. It seems like many of the life you stay in, right? Well, those super kinked out guys at the mussely faces that Quark was dealing with came through and went back. Right. I mean, yeah, this is another episode where the dominion gets mentioned and there's a music queue and everybody stops and turns to the camera. Right.

It's clear that the dominion is scary and bad, but we don't really know anything else about it at this point. And it kind of seems like the writers probably haven't made that many firm decisions about what the domain is going to be yet. Yeah, it feels that way. Well, we do know as these guys are the screens and they look like pioneer people, like the women have pioneer hair that severe sloping upward bangs situation. And then the dudes all have du-rags, like literal du-rags.

They put the headband in and they push it all the way to the back of their head and then they push it forward again. Yeah, it's a look. It's a real look. And they are not easy to talk to these aliens. Like they materialize on the pad and they are speaking an alien language that the computer just does not know what to do with. And that doesn't wind up being a problem for that long. It's like, it's kind of, it's almost like a conflict that they lost the conviction of,

you know, they were just like, ah fuck, I don't feel like running down this storyline. Forget it. The computer figures it out at this point, you know, in Act 2. I'll argue something different. I wish this happened every time with every alien race. Like you get the sense that the computer is processing this language over time until the lead screen, whose name is Henneak, is finally able to speak intelligibly. And that would make sense, like that would add up, but I feel like it's either got to

be one or the other. I agree. Yeah. I wish this were canonical every time. That would be satisfying. Then it would be more satisfying than how we had it here, which is unique. One of the screons is played by a real that guy, Leland Orser, perhaps most famous for having the knife strap on in seven.

Oh, yeah. Now I know who that guy is. Yeah, not really the thing you want to be known for necessarily. But yeah, I mean, he's been in a bunch of stuff and this is a very small role for him. His character really doesn't do much, but he's, he was immediately recognizable to me. And the younger of the screens is played by Andrew Canig

who is Walter Canig's son or was, and sadly passed away from suicide about eight years ago. Oh, no. Yeah, I think he was kind of a friend to the podcast industry too, and it's really tragic to think that he was in that kind of pain. I don't really know much about it. I happen to click into his IMDB and see that there was a, you know, a born and a dyed. Sure. Yeah, he was only 41 when he passed away. Really sad. Strap on knife guy is such a bracing image that, like, if you're an actor of the type that we've

described before that guy actor. Wait, these are not the same dude by the way. I know, I know that. I'm going back to the first, the first guy. The, like I love the idea that you can be a middling actor and yet still have a credit that everyone knows. Everyone knows who that is, if you go to see movies. And that is a particular kind of fame, I think,

that is amazing. Yeah, you really have to, like, he must have had a lot of conversations with his management when he decided to take that role, like this for sure will be. Like, we know that like this for sure will be. Like, we know that like this movie stars Brad Pitt and Morgan Freeman, probably a lot of people are going to see it and your character is going to be very sad

when we meet him because he will, yeah, Jesus. Yeah. A brave thing as an actor to take a role like that. I think you got to take it. Like, I agree with the instinct to take that role. Because like, you see him at the con and he's got the banner in back of him. He's strap on knife dildo guy. Like, that's, you know exactly who he is.

You stop at his booth, you get the autograph, and you move on. Like, that, he's gotta be con-famous. That's a con-famous role. Yeah. That could pay the bills for the rest of your life. They do a thing with the screen. Is there a seven con?

I bet you meet a specific type of person at seven con. Yeah. Well, I bet you, I bet you meet seven different kinds of people. You meet Glutton's, you meet greedy people. Tell you one thing about seven con, Ben, you do not want to participate in the room block by at the hotel. Like, I'm gonna stay somewhere different. Yeah, the discount is tempting, but. What's the sin that has you resisting the value of a discount? I just don't wanna be caught in the hot tub late at night with a wrathful person.

No shit. Yeah, was that bubble you or was that the tub? John, no heads the upper hand. They do a thing in this episode, Ben, that I hope we get to see more of. I think they're contextualizing the space of Deep Space Nine in a more interesting way. We actually take a trip on the elevator down from Ops into the promenade and I don't remember seeing this transit depicted before in this way. They decide that they're gonna go unfortunately not to the dermatology clinic but to the infirmary. Bishir is like, ee, ee, ee, ee, ee, ee, ee, ee, ee, ee, ee,

I do not have enough dermal regenerators for this project. I'm gonna write you guys a referral to a specialist because this is not really my area. Perhaps you'd like an analgesic cream. I think I've always had the sense that the kind of ring that you see right below the con tower when they show the exterior of the station is where the promenade is, just based on the shape of the windows. But this is kind of like there to confirm that as an idea.

I like it. I like that there, we had so many questions for the first season and a half about how this space was used. And I feel like they're doling that out a little better. And I like it. Yeah, I'm sure if I'd like, you know, I think I think by the time this show was out, I was maybe a little too old to like go seek out the book at the library that has the detailed schematic of the space station. And now I regret that, you know. I'm gonna turn to camera right now and address the viewers just to say that I know you're

hearing us referring to schematics we don't have. That does not mean that we want them. So thank you for your attempted kindness. We can do it that. Yeah, I mean, that said, you and I were both in a used furniture store a couple of weeks ago with our wives, and we both had to be talked out of buying a large format schematic of the Enterprise D that was hanging on the wall in there.

That thing was awesome, though. Yeah, it was. I, look, I know our wives thought it was a bit like something we were gonna do at them. I legit wanted that. I still might go back to it. Yeah. I think it's cool. It's cool. Yeah it was one of those ones where it's like a really detailed drawing with full color but then like sections of the ship are cut out. So you see them in cross section.

Fucking love those. So they're getting walked through the promenade on their way to their quarters, where another interesting architectural thing happens, Ben. They get shown to their quarters, and this might be a time code thing. You or a viewer might wanna check out, but around 1240, you sort of get a high wide shot of the space. It looks like there's a two-stall bathroom in the back corner.

Oh, really? Like, this seemed like the nicest quarters that we've seen so far. Yeah, I see the thing you are referring to as potentially a bathroom. What else could it be? What the diamonds on the walls? Yeah, instead of, like maybe the moon has turned into the diamond. Like the moon logo for a outhouse has changed.

Well, they didn't want people to get the wrong idea that it was only a place to discard of feminine hygiene products. Sure. You can do other things in there too. Yeah. They, you know what, they're kind of giving them the riker treatment too. Like showing them to their quarters the first thing to do is show them the replicator. Let's see if the braves are on.

How do you cut on this TV? Where they replicated a trayfully land-yagers. Like if you guys are hungry, why don't you feast on this? Here's some of our finest dried meat. That'd be like, that's pretty safe for a person of a different culture. It's really very good. I don't know.

What else do you order out of the thing? Not gonna get any. Well, we don't know if they're like pork enthusiasts or not. So that could be that could be an issue. Like once the what's the universal translator kicks it. They're like, this is swine. Fuck you.

Not everyone is space Jewish been. It's just an issue. I've become a lot more sensitive to lately. Right. Yeah, the food goes over pretty well, and this is when the universal translator starts to kind of pick up the thread of their language. Sulak, need Estasa. Wait, did you hear that?

I think she said need. And we come to understand that these screons are just the first trickle of what will be a flood. Like they are galactic refugees and they are fleeing from the Dominion. The Dominion invading the planet that they were enslaved on provided a enough chaos for them to slip three million out the door. And there's like a flotilla of screenthips on the other side of the wormhole. And they are really eager to start bringing them through and getting them set up. And so like this presents like a whole new a whole new challenge. Like fresh from the linguistic challenge, there's like the challenge of,

what do we do with these three million people that need a new place to live? And they have a McLaughlin group. If you want. Ben, could I just tap in here real quick just to say, you know, sort of by design, a diversion has to be bigger than the thing that escapes it? Yeah.

What is the diversion that is bigger than 3 million people in ships? Like that has got to be a shit show they're escaping from. Hey, wait a second, weren't there a bunch of screent slaves around here at some point? Where does those guys go? Like a bunch! Hey, are you missing your screent slave? So am I!

Look at how wrinkled my clothes are! This fucking sucks! I mean, I will say that the snow drifts of skin flakes not being around is kind of nice. I'm having to run the dust mop around a lot less than I used to. But, yeah, so they have this McLaughlin group, and it starts a little awkward because Hanik is not used to her male counterparts being involved in decision-making. Scree and men don't involve themselves in situations like this. And she's also weirded out by Cisco being involved in decision-making. They come from a stunchly misandrous culture

and she says several things to like Chivo Bryant in particular that really betray how little respect she really has for men, which is fun. I feel like they had ideas like this a couple of times on TNG, but they weren't as suddenly executed. Like, you know, The way she just kind of condescendingly goes, like, yeah, men, they're just always like getting in fights and they're just so emotional. One of the main things about them is how emotional they are. It's more fun

and better done than TNG would have done it, I think. I really like that part too. What I didn't like here, and in a few other areas, is the way the show takes us to exposition university, in that there's a, I will say, like, first of all, like, I love Star Trek. I feel like I need to say that every time I criticize how a show does things fundamentally, but more often than not, the way a show gives information to the viewer is by doing that pattern of like a character saying,

we're looking for a place called Kintana, and then a character goes Kintana, and then the original character goes, yes, Kintana, and then defines what that is. There was a, you know, the Hispanic bowler from the Big Lebowski. Fucking Kintana, a creep can roll, man. Nobody fucks with him.

You said it, man. Card famously did this for a lot of episodes and TNG early on, and it's such a pattern that I wish they didn't do. Like, there are better and more interesting ways to do it, and more like emotionally to do it and more emotionally interesting ways too. If they were like, well, a lot of people come through this wormhole and don't realize that they're as far from where they started as they are, let us give you a little idea of what part of the galaxy you've come out in. First up, here's the local inhabited planet, they throw a beijor up on the screen,

and they're all like, what? That would have been fun. Right, right, right. But yeah, the idea is that the screens have been, have been, you know, prophesied to find this legendary planet called Cantana that is their homeland, that they are, you know, gonna go to and settle, and that's the promised land for them.

It's in keeping with their pioneer spirit and look. Yeah. This is very, this is very wagon-training what's happening here. Yeah. So, like a lot goes into motion, like the other screens are contacted and invited through the wormhole, and many of them are invited on the station. Like, there's too many to let all of them come to the station, but like a shit ton of them come to the station, and they really got like central casting for like peasant looking people.

Like they all have like past faces, you know? Yeah. Yeah, they're visiting DS9 and chiefs. Pfft. Pfft. Ben to the degree there's a B story. What we get is the return of Jake Cisco and his buddy, Nog.

And Nog is sort of dressed like Carmen Miranda here. In a fun way, like they really gave him some jaunty colors and patterns. Yeah, they really did. He's a real chip off field quirk block. It introduces some conflict between the kids because while Henneak is off trying to find their new home world, it's the kids that came over with Henneak is off trying to find their new home world.

It's the kids that came over with Henneak that are intermigaling with the kids on DS9, specifically Jake and Nog. Nog is not feeling this. He's sort of nimbying around the station about this growing population that's there. And he's ready to tease them. Yeah, it's clear that the screens have both been through some fairly desperate times, but maybe also have some different cultural norms. So like one thing that happens is

Jake and Dogger like sitting in their traditional dangling over the promenade spot and they see the young screen that came in the first batch, like stealing food off of a plate in the cafe after somebody has left. And now it gets like, yeah, now it gets totally disgusted by this and it has a pretty fun performance calling him an idiot. I feel like there was an extra rail there in the season before or a couple episodes ago.

They are dangling their legs off the second deck of the promenade and there's nothing in between them in a 20-foot fall. Do you remember there being another pipe there? I kind of do. Yeah, they would like lean their chest over it. They'd put their arms on it. Yeah. Weird. Yeah, that's weird. Maybe when Malora came aboard, they didn't just walk back.

They didn't just retrofit the station for ADA compliance. They also removed a lot of safety features. There's probably no other place to drop this besides here because there are a few interactions between Jake and Nogg and these screens that don't go well. But I think story-wise, they're being very intentional with the introduction of conflict between Jake and Nag and the screens in a way that I think without it changes the feeling of the ending.

And so when we get to the ending, I'm going to revisit this moment, but I think this is crucial to how the screens are portrayed and how the bejoranger portrayed later. I agree. One thing I wanted to bring up before we get too far past this scene was that the... felt like intro of the scene is that Jake and Nagar are talking about how Jake went on a date with a davo girl. Hell yeah Jake! Get it! How old is Jake supposed to be? He looks super young to me. Yeah. Is he 16 or is he 18? Well, here's the thing. Like, we might...

Are dabo girls 18 and up? Like, what's... What are the employment regulations looking like here on Deep Space 9? I kind of want to solve for the variable in not guessing what Jake's age is, but maybe instead guessing what the lowest age of a dabo girl could be. And I'm going to guess, guess like mid-twenties. Right. So for starting from there,

like even if Jake is 16 or 18, that's, good job, Jake. Really punching above his weight class there. Really, like, what is that? Like a July, September relationship? Is that what those are called? Yeah, I think that's what that's called at. To make quite the honest about it,

that has been a pain. I'm fucking a pain. Mr. Bucket, I have to reverse back to my limit state. Go! I don't use the bucket anymore. One other thing that's happening is sort of a blossoming, quote unquote, romance between Verraniani and Henik because Henik drops into like the overcrowded station has produced sort of a riot of activity in Quark's bar.

A lot of these screens are hanging out there and one of them is Henik. Quark is not pleased by this because they're poor and therefore not really contributing to the bottom line. He's selling a shit ton of PBR and cans for $3 a can when he wants to be pushing the top shelf liquor. And they're not even tipping. And Henneke is having like a bunco meeting with a couple of her compatriots.

And they're sort of like throwing the leadership crown at her. They're like, you got us here. Why don't you take us the rest of the way home? I'll do the best I can. Which is not really, I think, the right way to handle this story problem. Like, she comes on the station saying, like, I'm just a simple farmer and not the leader of my people

for that. You'll need to talk to somebody else. She refers everyone to the screen help desk when they have questions. Yeah, but then the screen olds are just like, hey, why don't you be the leader? Like, power is never thrust on people like that. I think I honestly think like the more interesting thing

and maybe it was just a efficiency issue would have been if she kind of claimed leadership. Like, I found this and now I will lead our people to Cantana and Like from humble beginnings come great things kind of kind of a character. She never Vedic wins it. Yeah, right Yeah, I agree another thing that happens here is a

Varani kicks it to Henik and like gives her a mixed tape. He's like, hey, I noticed you noticing my smooth jazz standards. Here's a couple of my tracks and then like Like a guy on the street like wake weights to be paid for the CD Yeah, you like hip hop You like hip hop sir Yeah, he you like hip-hop, sir And it sort of teases a burgeoning romance that doesn't really get paid off like I saw romance here But I don't know if I was just seeing too much into it. I think that like he is Like that character is written in to the show for a very specific reason the character of Varani

Yeah, and I think mainly that reason is just to like written in to the show for a very specific reason, the character of Verani. Yeah. And I think mainly that reason is just to like give an opportunity for there to be some exposition surrounding what's going on with Bayshore lately, but just not really necessary. You know, it's that 90s TV thing of we have to assume that somebody is sitting down and watching this as their first episode of this show ever, you know. Well this is not skipping to the end but it's teasing the end. Like I think Varani accomplishes the goal of dropping breadcrumbs about need on Beixor

because in the very beginning he's like look, Bezure needs, you know, to reclaim their heritage. They need to establish these places where artists can grow and flourish. We need to rebuild from what the cardacians have done to us. And, you know, in the end, a major reason why Bezure does not accept their asylum request is the lifeboat problem. Like we have our own needs. And I think Verani has to tease this throughout so it's not just a surprise at the end when the pejorans push back on the idea of them colonizing. Yeah.

But it's really low key. It's subtle. It's it's weirdly subtle. So back to the kids, they are straight up fighting with each other. Like it's the sort of high school hazing that involves like stink bombs and wedgies and and quark ends up like saving nogs as a couple of times. It actually like actually like, Teen Wolf growls, Tumac, you know, in defensive Nog, like in a prominent hallway, in a way that's kind of fun. Yeah, like I think he has to go down and bail Nog out of

Odo's office by saying like, this is not gonna happen again. And then like, and then like the next time Nog sees those kids, it turns into like a 1950s rumble. And, and Quark is the one to break it up, but he, yeah, he's like hissing, they're both, and Ferengi's hissed like this, it's, because it's like, it's very, it's a very staccato hiss.

They both keep going like, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pfft, pff just mean like canonically, it's fun, it's fun to see them get colored in a little more. Yeah, so with the power that has been thrust upon her, Hanik comes to Kira and she's like, hey, great news. Your planet is actually Kintana. The planet we've been looking for. So we'll be moving in shortly, and it's like, curized to commercial. And when we come back, the provisional government have sent up a monk and a functionary to explain to the screens that that is not necessarily what Bage or Head in mind.

I got to tell you Ben, like whenever, whenever a decision is out of your hands and decided by someone else, and that someone else begins their answer with, we've thought long and hard about it, that answer is normally no. Hahaha. This decision was not hard to make. We don't know you. We don't trust you. We're

trying to make Bejure great again and we have decided to build the wall. Well, here's, here's where I think we may come down on opposite ends of the argument here. Like, the idea that the screens want to emigrate to Bejure, you know, is seen by the screens as a benefit to Bejure. But these screens made no effort to, like, the essential conflict between emigrators and the places that they wish to emigrate on this show is that there's no room. There's a lack of resources. The laundry list is fairly long, but like most stories of this kind, neither side makes an attempt to get to know the other side. They don't have a mixer to break the ice.

They don't have a pitch deck about what they will do with the land once it is given to them. And that's what I'm saying. When you're made to make assumptions about the other side, those assumptions are often negative, which is why, spoiler alert, I was on the bejure inside of this argument because they didn't start off on great terms. No one made an attempt to get to know each other. And with that lack of information about each other culturally, of course they were going to say no.

Well, it was also a weird request because it seemed to me that the screens weren't really interested in like being friends with the Bajorans even. Right. Like they just wanted free land and to, and like land that wasn't otherwise occupied. Like they wanted to be isolated amongst themselves, but on Bay-Jor, which is not really, that doesn't seem like a good way of solving the problem of accommodating three million people that need a home. Yeah. Especially in the context of, hey, we found a planet that is perfect for you guys. Like, they're apparently enough planets that they're like, okay, well,

we found like an empty planet that's got arable land. And it's yours if you guys want it. And they're like, now we actually want the one that is already spoken for. Yeah, and that's not a good look for them. Like, no one wants to go to Dreylon too. It's not because it sounds like a prescription inhaler. It's just because they'd rather be on Beijor.

And that's not a good look for the screens. I don't think either. They are hostile to the idea of any other place but Beijor. And it's an interesting story to have portrayed them in a more sympathetic manner. But it was very hard for me to muster sympathy when things like Tumac Big Dogging Jake

at the Reppelmat happen. Like, and this goes back to that conflict between Jake and Nog and the Screens, which is like, if the Screens were more chaotic good instead of chaotic bad, the ending, I think, which is like, if the screens were more chaotic good instead of like chaotic bad, the ending I think would have resonated far more deeply. Yeah, it's sort of a weird episode

because it kind of like presents itself as like a metaphor for immigration where a group of people who want to make a better life for themselves by moving into territory that they are not traditionally occupying is a problem that all the characters have to grapple with, except for by introducing Dreylon to the equation, they kind of make that not what it's like, like it, it, it ceases to be, it ceases to work as a metaphor for immigration in our time. When that is, when that's there, like, well, they could move to Bezure, but they could also just move to this other planet, where nobody would mind, like, yeah, the the Draylon 2 kneecaps,

the perfect metaphor of the show. But then, but then like the other thing it could have been, which is that they are like mirror bejorins, where they have been told that their destiny is to live on bejor. And I don't think that quite works either because they don't, like there's like, she has like a bad emotional reaction

to being told that it's not gonna work out. But then it's just like, okay, well, I guess we'll go to the other place. It's not moved to Beijor or all three million of them are going to be dissatisfied forever. They get over that pretty quickly. Yeah, I mean, it's basically. Like hey, we know you think this is your promise land,

but you're not welcome to it, so fuck off. Oh, oh really? Oh, cool, okay. All right, bye, bye. That part, that pivot was in the last three minutes. Like we get the decision at the panel, we get the single brass instrument of denied asylum, and then, and then we get a unique, totally big dog and Kira and calling Bajoran's frightened and suspicious before leaving. And that scene made me feel like fuck

you, unique. Like, you didn't try it all. You were basically a jerk the whole time. Don't come to my porch trying to sell me magazines and then be a dick about me not wanting to buy your fucking magazines. Like, are you speaking from experience at him? That was a terrible comparison, but the bejorns could have handled this more delicately. But I think Hanik is totally out of line with her like guilt tripping Kira over this.

But like to her credit, Kira is a feeling person and she felt bad about it. The other like thing that happened toward the end of this episode is that Tumak and a couple of his buddies, I guess, presumably the ones that were in the rumble with Jake and Nog, steal a ship and light out for Bageur and actually get in a dog fight that is represented by Dots on a screen. Yeah. And it's like- This is some old school- It's just shaking right here. Yeah, like Jake Sisco, safe on the station,

but shuttlecraft's getting jaked. Right. And getting in fights, and there's a real tense scene where, you know, Hanik is trying to talk him out of going to Bejor, and you know, Kira is on the radio trying to get him back and Cisco is radioing up the military on Be Bajoran defense craft, the phaser he fired lit his engine on fire and I'd exploded. So I mean I think that that tempers like how mad you can be at Hanik for being a little bit shitty Taqira on the way out, because she did just kind of lose her son.

But yeah, this is a weird bottle episode because it sort of presents itself as this allegory, but it's not really an allegory for anything. Yeah, because in the way you're describing when she goes off on Kira, she's in mourning. She's not necessarily like, she's lashing out because she's in mourning, but she's arguing for something totally separate from the death of her son. And so that sort of takes the power away from her position. I know, like, I'm with you, Ben, if they cleared off a few of the peripheral conflicts in this story, I think it could be more apt. Like, it could

be a cleaner comparison to a more contemporary issue with which you know Star Trek loves to do. If it's a show about immigration and people having misgivings about it, and it's like a true to Star Trek story, you have somebody there to speak up for the pretty well-known economic principle that like labor entering a market is generally very good for markets. And while like racists don't like that fact, it's true. And that labor entering a market tends to lead to more prosperity both for the people that were already there and also for the people that are coming. And that would have been like a perspective I would have liked to see, you know, if

their plan was a little different and they were talking about moving to Beijor and like integrating into the population, you know, I think it would be very easy to see both sides of the argument. Like this could be really good for Beijor to have like three million people that are like ready to get to work and ready to like work on the abused farmland that the Cardassians left behind, but also bejorans feeling like, hey, we're just getting up on our feet and we already are known for being racist outsiders and don't necessarily want to invite new aliens to inhabit our home world with us. That's a conflict that happens all over the place all the time.

Yeah, sure is. Did you like the episode? All that said, I did kind of like the episode. Like I don't think it works as an allegory for anything. And I don't really think it's about a contemporary issue, even if it kind of wanted to be. But I liked the characters and I liked the, I mean, there's a lot going on in the episode and it's fun to see like both the high-minded diplomatic stuff that's going on with the government and Cisco and Hanik, but then also seeing the mirror of that happening like down where the regular people hang out with Jacob Nog

and you know, Cork being pissed off that it's affecting his bottom line that these people aren't paying for drinks and stuff like. Right. That part of it was great and yeah, it definitely helped my interest. I thought it was on balance a pretty good episode. Maybe he could have used another draft on the script though. Yeah, I mean, we really laid into this episode quite a bit with how we would have done it differently. And I think that's a satisfying exercise.

Like, that in a weird way makes me like the episode, whereas, you know, if I were just watching this by myself, and I turned off the TV and then went into something else I might say that I didn't. So I think the exercise of the show has made the episode better than maybe it would be in a vacuum. Now the homeowners want a nice dead sound environment in this room. Rather than spraying popcorn on the ceiling, we're bringing in a screen to stand in the corner and observe all the sound.

For the construction of a recording studio, I like to set up a row of five to six screens. Ha ha ha. I'll find the largest screen and put him in the corner. That way, I get a nice bass trap effect. Ha ha ha ha. And my voice will create that awful slapback sound. The high coefficient of surface area will allow sounds to dissipate in a natural way, with low amounts of refab.

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Could be enough to buy this ship. All right, Adam, our first priority one message here is of a personal nature. It is from viewers for the ethical treatment of poorly written Star Trek women. And it is, too, our benevolent podcast overlords, Ben and Adam. Boy. Is it possible for you to be both on the board of ETPWSTW? And also a podcast overlord, is that a conflict of interest?

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You know what? I'm convinced. I have to. I think that, like, we had a drop that we used a couple of times for episodes in which Kiko appears that I think came from the right place but had the wrong, like, but red wrong, which was the Wicked Witch of the West theme.

And I think I made that drop and I think I was thinking of it not as Kiko is a witch but like here comes a bad story. But yeah, like I totally see why as Keko is a witch, but like here comes a bad story, but yeah, like I totally see why the Keko is a witch thing was what people were getting from it. Yeah, like I think that generally speaking, my concern with Keko showing up in an episode is that both unhealthy marriage practice is modeled

and also the episodes don't tend to be that great. You know what I mean? Well, I mean, but that's definitely a pot issue not the plant We don't have to relitigate the drop But no, I'm not trying to really relitigate it. I'm just you know I felt bad I never thought of it that way when when I was doing it and then some people Spoke up about it. And I realized that, yeah, like that is totally the way that that probably reads to most people.

And that's not what I'm trying to put out there. So, yeah, like that's not what we're writing for. We're not writing for fuck Kiko. We're writing for fuck bad stories that Kiko is often a herbinger of. And that's exactly what V for the ETPWSTW is all about. And I think I count myself among them. I think A-O-K-K-O is the right thing.

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fork is barely in this episode. But when he is, he's either growling at two Mac, or he's playing a fun game of, of like, get knockout of jail in front of Odo, where he is like playing really big in that scene. I really only, actually he's in another scene in the bar where he's bitching about both the music and about the cleaning up skin flakes with a bar rag. But like in every scene he's always really interesting and really funny.

And like I think there are probably many choices for Shimotis in this set, but Quark has mine. What about you, Ben? I give mine to Nog. He just, to me, seemed like, like actually, from a standpoint of actually having fun, like Nog is who is doing that. Like, he is, he is doing pranks, he's doing bits,

he's, he's running around, getting into all kinds of trouble, and he's wearing the most delightful clothing. So, Nug was my Shimoda. What do we have coming up on the next episode? Well, if you give me a second, I'll find out. Hurry! Well, the next episode, Adam, is season two, episode 11, rivals Quarkfield's threatened.

When a charming swindler arrives on deep space 9 and opens a competing bar or as our friends at the Netflix video streaming corporation have it. Over a drink at Quark's, a middle-aged alien widow tells an alien man how she plans to invest her life savings in a large mining concession. That's great. I just noticed this and I'm not sure if it holds any water, but it seems like DS9 does a lot of one-word episode titles where TNG did a lot of of two three and and like Full on like lengthy title titles on TNG. Yeah What do you make of that anything? No, yeah, but didn't like toward the end of TNG

I feel like they got shorter like mesh They they really stopped giving a shit by then about the show titles. But, like, I don't think it would surprise anyone to know that you and I give a lot of thought to what the show titles are going to be for our own show. And I wonder how much is given to the titles of our favorite television program here. I'll give a fun fact. On an average episode that I edit, there might be two or three ding sound effects that I have potted down because I found one later

in the episode that I like more. How I like that. So it's still in the timeline, but I just don't bother cutting it out. I just lower the volume to zero. You know, I like your idea of auditioning them against each other. What I end up doing is carrying the ding over forward

as I edit, and I almost never go back for one. It's either better or it's not. So. Yeah, I think about the read. Remind myself what the ding was. Well, anyways. Well, we better see if we're going to do this episode in a special way, Ben. We're currently on square 31, and just a couple squares away, we have a measure of a man

and a quark spar. Oh boy. And I believe it's probably your turn to roll the dice. You're required to learn as you play. Roll. Okay, I'll roll them. I rolled a three, Adam. I'll never read!

Ah! And that is a measure of a man episode. What does that mean? We have to measure our dicks. I like this concept. So measure of a man is we flip a coin and vehemently argue the pro con of an episode. Oh wow. I really dig this idea. So if I'm interpreting this gamification correctly, in the beginning, before we start the recap, we'll flip a coin and it will be

decided who is writing for the episode being good or the episode being bad. Okay, wow. Looking forward to that. That's a whole new thing. Here's what I'll say about this. I think for most episodes, you could make a very strong case either way about the goodness of an app or the relative portness of an app.

And I'm excited to have that sort of programmed in for this one. It'll be like the even Stephen Colbert versus Steve Carell argument episode. Good call. Well, how do we end the show? We end the show by thanking our legions of listeners who go to maximumfund.org slash donate and becoming true friends of DeSoto. We had a great max fund drive and we really appreciate everybody who did it then and if you want to get that sweet bonus content by doing it now, you can.

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Fuck what's your name? God damn it, I can't remember these fucking characters names.