The Greatest Generation - Over the Shoulder Caveman Holder (VOY S3E1)

Episode Date: November 29, 2021

When the marooned Voyager crew resorts to stomach-turning survival tactics, they’ll have to come to terms with fear being the mind-killer. But when Seska’s paternity plan becomes diluted by Doc Ho...loday’s resistance group, reuniting the crew with their ship will depend on help from an unlikely source. Can there be too many pinecone stickers on a shuttlecraft? What does the orange hat in a cubicle REALLY mean? How prime is the directive? It’s the episode that takes all the S-villians off the board!Experience supply chain bij at PodShop.bizSupport the production of The Greatest Generation.Friends of DeSoto for Democracy.Friends of DeSoto for Justice.Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Caretaker!Music by Adam Ragusea & Dark MateriaFollow The Greatest Generation on Twitter, and discuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen!The Greatest Generation is now regularly streaming on Twitch.Facebook group | Subreddit | Discord | WikiSign up for our mailing list!

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Priority 1 message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Hey friends of Disodo. Before today's episode, we just wanted to take a moment to talk about the historic labor actions being taken by writers and actors in the American Film and Television industry. If you're a fan of the work done by the people who make Star Trek, we hope you'll join us in standing in solidarity with the folks who actually bring these adventures to life. Over the past several years, the AMPTP, the organization that represents the American Film and Television Production Studios, have reduced the profit from movies and TV going to workers. And in so doing,
Starting point is 00:00:35 they've attempted to weaken the labor unions that represent those workers. They wouldn't even engage the unions on many issues in their negotiations. And so a strike was the only course of action to take. Adam, Wendy and I have been having a lot of internal discussions about how best to stand with the unions and we are continuing those conversations in a dynamic situation. We're doing our best to understand where the picket lines are in these digital spaces,
Starting point is 00:01:01 and we would never intentionally cross one. With the information we have, we feel like we can do more good talking about and supporting the strike and continuing our show as planned. We'll keep you informed about what all this means for greatest trek specifically. Today we're making a contribution to the Entertainment Community Fund. This fund exists to help all the people whose livelihoods have been put on hold because the AMPTP refuses to negotiate
Starting point is 00:01:25 in good faith with the unions. It provides financial support for writers, actors, and all the thousands of laborers who make the shows that we talk about here and without whom we wouldn't have Star Trek to cast pot about. Those folks are all out of work because billionaires, company shareholders, and the executives of these companies don't want to compromise on the length of their yachts. We hope you'll join us in supporting entertainment workers in a challenging time, especially after they've already endured several years of challenges brought on by the pandemic
Starting point is 00:01:55 and season two of Star Trek Picard. We've set up a page where you can also contribute. It's at friendsofdecotoforlabor.com. That's friendsofdecisoto for labor.S. and Boracic Duacaptin, Captain, Captain, Bringing one of the U.S. and Boracic Duacaptin, Captain, Captain, Bringing. Welcome to the greatest generation. It's a Star Trek podcast. A couple of guys, just a little bit embarrassed. They have a Star Trek podcast. I'm Adam Pranika. You don't sound embarrassed Adam. I'm Ben Harrison.
Starting point is 00:02:38 Very proud to be here and doing this live to tape on Twitch. In a room with worse acoustics than we normally use. Because we're doing a live stream. We're doing a live stream. We're doing a live stream. We're doing a live stream. We're doing a live stream.
Starting point is 00:02:53 We're doing a live stream. We're doing a live stream. We're doing a live stream. We're doing a live stream. We're doing a live stream. We're doing a live stream. We're doing a live stream. We're doing a live stream.
Starting point is 00:03:01 We're doing a live stream. We're doing a live stream. We're doing a live stream. We're doing a live stream. We're doing a live stream. We're doing a live stream. We're doing a live stream. We're doing a live stream. We're doing a live stream. thrilling conclusion of the trip to the post office that I made. Captain, I'm sorry to disturb you. I'm receiving a Code 47. Verify, it is Code 47, sir. Starfleet emergency frequency. Captions eyes only.
Starting point is 00:03:18 This first letter is from Martensen in Pullman, WAH. Where's Pullman relative to Seattle? It's the hills just outside of Wazoo. Oh look at that cart. Today is a good day for Pi, it says on the cart and it's worth in his deep space 9 edition uniform. It's a really good looking picture. Alright, here's the letter. Dear Ben and Adam, long time viewer since my sister turned me on to the pod back when you are still covering TNG, so glad you guys are doing Voyager, the VoI since my favorite
Starting point is 00:03:53 series. I have predominantly been listening to Greatest Gen, but then I began listening to Greatest Disco with Lower Decks and discovered that y'all have covered some TOS and other miscellaneous nerdy stuff. So I'll be doing a deeper dive there. This podcast has been a God's End over the past several years as I have encountered major life changes that have tried to unbalance my mental health. I know that feeling. I know that you have mentioned not feeling good about hearing someone listens to Gradius Jen while trying to sleep, but bear with me while I explain. Between moving out of my parents' house for the first time, late in life, degree completion, and obtaining a new job and a new field, plus lockdown, my anxiety has been running on full speed.
Starting point is 00:04:40 Many nights I've trouble sleeping. I turn on old greatest gen episodes, and it's like listening to two friends talking, comforting and still after countless viewings able to make me laugh. Your pod has the power to override what medication, mindfulness, music, and everything else I have tried. Can't touch.
Starting point is 00:05:00 Thanks so much, Kate. Wow. Thank you, Kate. What a really lovely letter. Thank you so much much Kate. Should we get into this next one? Open it up! This is from Dan McCoy. Is this the dent? No, this can't be the Dan McCoy from the Flockhouse podcast. Could it? This is also our Dan McCoy. This is another of our Dan's McCoy. We have many. Right. So there's a bunch of little scraps of paper in here. The first one says Adam and Ben love you guys. Enjoy the record. It's my STTNG punk band. Replicated rations were low. So only 47 copies were available. You got the first. Enjoy.
Starting point is 00:05:40 Wow. These are real LPs it looks like. Wow! These are real LPs it looks like. Check it out on clear vinyl. Look at that. Gorgeous. Read off those song names while I get some detail of the sleeve. Looks like tracks include the game, Genesis, Crystal Line Entity, I-borg, and skin-of-evil. Amazing. The aesthetics are flawlessly executed. Yeah. It definitely seems like something you'd come across at a merch table. This is great. Oh look, there's liner notes. Crystalline entity is respectfully dedicated to the colonists who have their lost their lives
Starting point is 00:06:22 on Omicron Theta and the massacre of 2338, man. Never forget. RSVP, that one lady that really wanted to do it with Ryger. Yeah. Oh, hey, there is a band camp for this band. Oh, let's give out the band camp. They're the prime directive, bandcamp.com.
Starting point is 00:06:43 Wow. So, take them out there. if you aren't lucky enough to get a real Handmade by one person only vinyl record all right Adam couple more packages here should we get into this next one? Yeah, this is from Blue dot planet in North Las Vegas, Nevada We have a note here, Adam, it says, a gift for you, may your shine be magical.
Starting point is 00:07:07 So you represent your pod with honor. You should consider offering them on podshop.biz from Bribelke. Bribelke. Bribelke sent us something. There's not a lot of code 47s that go by without Bribelke popping back up. Bribules.
Starting point is 00:07:25 You wanna do the honors? Oh shit. Look at that. These are oil control papers for my super oily face. Should we see how they make us look on camera? You know what, the thing that's gonna look great for the purposes of the show is not any sort of change in our faces, but how gross and disgusting these sheets become after dragging
Starting point is 00:07:51 them across our stupid oily faces. I have always wanted to try one of these, but I never have. Oh, this is happening. Adam is rubbing the sheet on my forehead. I'm gonna get your T-Zone. We'll see what you're working with, Adam. Okay. Mine is so much worse than yours.
Starting point is 00:08:10 Yeah, look, look at how bad mine is. This is the one that was on Adam's face. This is the one that was on my face. My face was booked up, apparently. Wow, these are clean and clear brand oil control film from the Venerable Johnson & Johnson company. This is not branded content, but I'm happy to show for a company that can do anything to make my face look any better than it does. And our thanks to Bri for doing what she can to help out this situation.
Starting point is 00:08:43 Yeah, a wonderful gift. You know what I like is she sent so many? This is gonna last three tour dates. Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's open this last box atom. It's from Lou H. In Philadelphia, PA. And it's to the greatest generation.
Starting point is 00:08:59 Mm-hmm. Just ripping into it. All right. Wow. You're not gonna believe this. It's a Tom Paris mutated action figure. This is amazing. Look at this thing, Ben. Look at this giant beat.
Starting point is 00:09:14 New listeners won't know why we're so excited, but people watching the livestream will know that on the previous code 47, we recorded. We opened up this exact action figure. Except we devalued the last one by opening it. This one is gonna stay in its package. It's gonna stay in mint condition. Where it will be sure to gain in value as the years go on.
Starting point is 00:09:35 Uh-huh. All right, there's also a card. Is this a Royal Canadian Mounted policeman here? Oh, yeah. That is, and he's helping a Santa Claus. Maybe put together a model wagon. Wow, don't talk to cops, Santa Claus. What are you doing?
Starting point is 00:09:51 Yeah. Here's what the card says. Do you're been at Adam? Long time listener, first time caller, I'm glad that you liked threshold so much. Hmm. That I thought you'd enjoy this threshold Tom Paris. Wow.
Starting point is 00:10:04 Complete with lizard babies. Hahaha. In parentheses, I don't even know why I have this. Close parentheses. But I'm sure this will be the center piece of the mountain of Memorabilia for the podcast you're a little bit embarrassed to have. Love the pod. Too bad Voyager has never peaked again after Threshold.
Starting point is 00:10:22 Whoa, hot take. Enjoy LeBlanc and Shimoda. Lou. Amazing. Thank you, Lou. Thanks, Lou. Thank you for sending this. I always love when we get duplicates of these characters so that you can have one and I can have one.
Starting point is 00:10:35 Thank you, Lou. And thank you to everyone who sent stuff in. If you're listening and would just love to send something in, reach out to one of our social media accounts on Instagram or Twitter. And Bill Tilly will see if it's something we're interested in having on the show. And I would say at this point,
Starting point is 00:10:52 we're probably good on cosmetics. Anything on the Haba Isle of a drug store, I'd say we're pretty good on for the moment. And I think we're also good on threshold Tom Paris. We've got a lot of those now. There are like four more threshold Tom Paris action figures on their way to us. Bill, you've got to control the influx of threshold Tom Paris's. Well, Adam, do you want to get into the season premiere of season three? I can hardly believe we're onto a new season of Star Trek Voyager. It's season 3, episode 1.
Starting point is 00:11:27 Basics, part 2. Rebirth course. Unless you've got something a little bigger in your torpedo tubes, I'm not turning around. Sorry. Lest we forget about Tom Parris in the shuttle. He needs a co-pilot, is what he needs, because he's like ostensibly he has the shuttle on auto while he's in the back kind of making repairs on the fly. Last time on Star Trek Voyager, I don't have time for this! He's way less dead than he was made to appear both to us and to the case on at the end of the last episode, and that's nice. That's reassuring. This is his version of fallen samurai hair though,
Starting point is 00:12:06 like when the sculpting clay has tussled it a little bit more than usual. That's the look that you have here. Beedungs doesn't wear it with enough length to really sell the samurai having been slain. He's got a little bit of schmutz on his face. You like to see that? He's working on repairing some isolinear chips when some bangers get dropped and there's
Starting point is 00:12:29 a very fun, I'm gonna fucking kill you because you inconvenienced me space combat scene between him and a case on Shuttle. Were you surprised at how explicitly Maverick E, the strategy was here? It was very Maverick E, the strategy was here. It was very Maverick, it wasn't it. I mean, it always seems like a good strategy. And whenever I see a dog fight that doesn't employ the strategy, I'm like, there's a trick to this, you guys.
Starting point is 00:12:55 Yeah. You know? We've seen it over and over again. And it's easy for Paris. Angry Paris hits the brakes and lets the K-Zone vessel fly right by and bang. It's over. And then he's back to work.
Starting point is 00:13:07 He doesn't even get to relish in the victory. You don't see a star fleet just murder an enemy with extreme prejudice like this very often. I mean, they did draw a first blood, but like, it feels like a dogfight in space where the other pilot was killed and it's like, that was like an NPC that does not matter in this episode. No, and until you brought up the many valences to the feeling about this, I didn't think much about this case on person at all.
Starting point is 00:13:41 What I wanted was Paris to lean out the window and slap a pine cone on on the side of his spider jet and get back to the carrier. It's nightfall on the planet and they found the shredded remains of Skullcogin's uniform, shredded Hogan. Really, is what he probably ended up as. We never find his body, like his body proper. Well, when you get dynoed, you're probably not gonna leave a lot of remains behind. They don't scan the worm thing that they find later, like maybe he's still alive in there.
Starting point is 00:14:19 Oh yeah, maybe it's like a slowly digested. What's the kind of hypno worm or whatever, and the discovery? Yeah. It needs to be everywhere, you know, before. Before the veneration, if I'll. I mean, it could be a Sarlac situation. I mean, Saniqua Martin Green spent three or four minutes
Starting point is 00:14:38 in the belly of one of those things and then gets bad out. So. Yeah, it felt bad that everyone was very quick to accept the death of Skullcogin here. It would have been interesting to see Basics Part 2 turn not into a broad conclusion to the many storylines that were set up in Basics Part 1, but just kind of a Jonah and the whale, but it's Hogan and the Dino. I would like that quite a bit. And then we see the veggie tails version of it,
Starting point is 00:15:06 like for the kids that we know are a part of this crew. Naomi Wildman's gonna grow up loving that one. Janeway is Videan Pist in this moment. Like she rejects the idea of grieving Hogan in this moment because they got work to do. You can tell that she hasn't given up hope because the hair is still tight. Hair is still tight.
Starting point is 00:15:30 There's nothing samurai-like happening to her just yet. And this kind of turns into a bit of a voyage of the Mimi situation. Chikote is proposing making hydro stills using Hogan's uniform. And then they got to find something to eat and Janeway says, well, why don't we relish in our bodies? And everybody's like, what do you mean? And she's like, it's kind of a in-geoc
Starting point is 00:15:53 Among us captains in Starfleet, but check out these worms over here And she like turns over a rock and there's just like a perfect, writhing mass of meal worms You know, it's funny every time we get to get recalled back to Starfleet HQ, you know, they put it on the menu as kind of a wink, wink, like, all right, we get it. We're self-conscious about that one bad day. I was paranoid about it at first, and I used to strap a piece of sheet metal over the back of my neck just as a preventative measure. Yeah. Pretty interesting tack for Janeway, given her preference for vegetable broth. She is just ready to get down on those worms, and she basically orders Nelix to start the
Starting point is 00:16:37 prep. Did you notice what she did in the scene though? Because she has this fistful of worms, and she's like, if anybody has anything negative to say about it, even these fucking worms, then they can go fuck themselves and she walks out and she throws them back on the ground. There's coffee in that order from their captain.
Starting point is 00:16:56 She needed to take the bite. She needed to, like, she needed to just fistful of worms to everybody, right, then and there. I did not think about that example she could have set. Like, it's all talk until it's time to eat the worm. You have to be the worm eater you want to see in the world. Ha ha ha ha ha. And that was your chance.
Starting point is 00:17:15 Delicious. On Voyager. They haven't converted the inside of the ship yet. There's not a renovation going on. You're not hearing like chains rattling anywhere. They haven't started putting up altars to various combat victories yet. Seska walks into a totally normal seeming six bay and calls for the EMH who comes out from behind a corner and tries to play it off like he just appeared the way he's
Starting point is 00:17:46 supposed to. The energy here is really fun and weird, right? Because CESCA is returning to a ship on which she used to serve. She knows all the places. She knows how things operate. She knows how to get a sense of whether or not the EMH is on their side. And I mean, she also famously avoided the EMH a lot when she was on board before. So she doesn't have a time to go on as far as whether or not she can build trust with this thing. But she kind of is satisfied that he is not going to fuck them over in this scene. I sure did think the baby was a prop in this moment just as it's an excuse to go in there and feel out whether Doc holiday could be trusted.
Starting point is 00:18:36 But it turns out the baby plays a great big part in this scene. Yeah. A huge bomb gets dropped in this scene. Mori is there. They get the paternity back. Chico Tay is not. I had not noticed a studio audience in in Six Bay at this moment, but they just explode. They went, a sesca is crying. She runs backstage in the camera, runs with her, just as fast. For some reason, there's a hollow chicote there
Starting point is 00:19:10 and he's celebrating. I was never good at this as a child and I'm still not good at it. Whatever the paternity equivalent of spiking the ball is, he is doing that in this moment. Yeah, he actually gets a fine from the NFL for an over big celebration in the end zone. I mean, the question is, who is the father been? And given that the baby is Cardezon, Mosh Kula seems to be the leading candidate, although it is not explicitly said that color is the father.
Starting point is 00:19:48 It isn't. The thing that they are remarking on is like, there's no pine cone. How could this be a case on? Right. Turns out pine cone is a recessive trait. You have to have both parents have pine cone for that to be passed on to the baby. That makes spoon dominant trait, right? Oh yeah. Yes. Very dominant spoon dominant, pine cone recessive, everybody knows it. It's basic health class, you guys. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:13 I love how the doc, like after the scenes over the doc, sort of withdraws back into the office to record a personal log about like, boy, what a day. Sure would have liked to have told Chicoete the good news. I mean, Sesca seems really pissed about losing this bit of leverage over at Chicoete, which sort of surprised me because Chicoete is basically off the board. I thought that the leverage was about getting voyager and succeeding in the mission. Now that the mission has been, quote-unquote,
Starting point is 00:20:47 a success at this point, who gives a shit about leverage over to Kote anymore? But she really seems to give a shit. I mean, maybe what it is is her processing the complexities of telling Kulla or whoever that they are, in fact, the father of this child and maybe there are Things about that that we don't know that are gonna be hard for her, but I thought there was some something interesting about the way she She played that moment the doc hollow brain storms
Starting point is 00:21:19 How he might be able to fight back given that he thinks he's probably the only Person on his side of the conflict on board the ship and he given that he thinks he's probably the only person on his side of the conflict on board the ship and he does that thing where he asks the computer, are there any star fleets left on board and the computer says, oh my god, there's a bread durif in the jeffries too. And so Doc Holliday blows in a call to him. The sort of set up a dynamic where Lon McClain and Ia M. H. Vell Johnson for a radio relationship. Well Lon is going around the ship doing as much as he can to spoil the plot of the case on.
Starting point is 00:22:02 Is it too difficult to say, how legend-old, Vel Johnson? Hahaha. Hahaha. It's too hard to say, I couldn't even do it that time. The hell you talking about, man? How legend-old, Vel Johnson? Hahaha. Hahaha.
Starting point is 00:22:20 Hahaha. Rightfully, Brad Durif is like, hey, this is, this is not a great time for me right now. I'm making fists with my toes on the floor. You know how in every horror movie, the damsel in distress hides in a closet while being on a phone talking just a little bit too loud? I'm not going out like that. So Doc eraves the sutras record from the ship's computer and this is a great strategy by him because as things start to play out,
Starting point is 00:22:51 I mean the very first thing that Sesca and Co are going to do is try to determine if there are saboteurs aboard the ship as time goes on. Back down on the planet, they have found that this planet gets quite cold at night and that's bad news, but... If anyone's gonna complain about the heat tonight, snuggle up to these worms. She throws them on the ground. She goes, she goes, he's like, why don't you do it first? Why do you keep doing this?
Starting point is 00:23:24 You fucking snuggle, Game Boy. You claim to be the captain, but what are you captain of? The ship is gone. Stop telling me what to eat and snuggle. They don't have to eat those worms anymore though, because there are some ostriches on this planet and Kim and BLT have come back with those as well as some girkins. So we've got a lot of girkin continuity
Starting point is 00:23:55 on Voyager. I was looking at the memory alpha entry for this episode and along with the standard information it gives you about like the episode number and the production date and its release date and stuff, it does say that the arc of this story is GERKIN Part 3 of 3. I mean, DNG has a slick back trilogy. I think Voyager has a GERKIN trilogy. I think so too, yeah. So this is a scene of Janeway kind of going around, you know, connecting with everybody and checking in. Tuvac has busied himself with making bows and arrows. And sin wild men is very worried about her baby who is not reacting super well to being on baby's first planet. And Chico Te is struggling like hell to get a fire lit because as we said,
Starting point is 00:24:48 it's chilly as hell. Chicoote really bristles at not being good at the things people insist that he probably would be as an Native American. He's like racist expectations are being placed on me and I can't live up to them. It's pretty rough. Trapped on a barren planet and you're stuck with the only Indian in me and I can't live up to them. It's pretty rough. Trapped on a barren planet and you're stuck with the only Indian in the universe who can't start a fire by rubbing two sticks together.
Starting point is 00:25:10 I know what they were thinking writing this in. Like, it was racist to do it, but like they could have just not, you know. Like they could have just not had a scene where they were struggling to light a fire. This scene just subscribes to the Chicote rule that we've talked about before. Yeah. I think that maybe what they wanted was an excuse for the captain to change her hairstyle for season three. Yeah. And that's what it leads to is that they need like locks of love to contribute to the fire starting project. And this is that for the first
Starting point is 00:25:42 time, Janeway volunteers to go first. She's like, I wasn't going to eat those fucking disgusting bugs, but I'll let you cut my hair. You know who had a great head of hair for this use was Tuvix? And not only was it long and billowy, it was also super greasy. So probably would have just exploded when you touched a lip match to it. That's what you call fizzle material. Yeah, it's too bad they don't have any Doritos on the planet.
Starting point is 00:26:10 I just recently heard that Doritos are great for kindling. Oh, yeah. Oh man. What a time to be alive, the TikTok era. You want to hoard those Doritos though, right? You don't want to give them up for kindling on it, on a planet that doesn't have food options. Do not. So this fire, once they get the fire going,
Starting point is 00:26:30 spirits are definitely lifted. Yeah, which is nice to see. Singing some, some campfire tunes going around, telling ghost stories. Neelix is off to collect more gurgens. I keep turning over rocks and all of the gurgens are very tiny and wiggly. These are not the kind of gurgens
Starting point is 00:26:52 I've used to work you with. Yeah, these are really little. I mean, maybe they'll make nice cornichons or something if we can find some brine. So Neelix is so focused on the gurgin issue that he's just sort of wanders further outside of camp Then most people agree is really safe Kess walks out to follow him and you know what's gonna happen. You can't wander out into the dark She gets grabbed by a crow magnon buddy system guys. Give me a fucking break
Starting point is 00:27:20 I mean their buddy system is that they both get captured by crow magnum So that's I, they did it. Yeah. What did they think was going to happen? At this point, the race car bed style shuttlecraft that Tom Paris is piloting has just stacks and stacks of pine cone decals, pasted all over the outside of it. And you're not supposed to cover the windshield, Paris.
Starting point is 00:27:51 But great job. He's gone out of space. What else are you supposed to put him? He has gotten on FaceTime with Commander Paxim of the Tolaxian's Armada, I guess, and is making an appeal for help. Commander Paxen is not super confident that his ships are really capable of going toe-to-toe with the kind of might that the K-Zon are bringing to bear. And he's like, hey, I know we kind of said we'd like help you guys out if
Starting point is 00:28:22 you really needed it, but this is kind of a non-starter for me, but Paris has an ace up his sleeve. Paris is like, you OS, we took Nielix off your hands. And I know how to disable their phasers. And they basically don't have any torpedoes left. I know every vulnerability, every blind spot. Don't worry, I have a plan. Am I making any sense here? Very well. This is very persuasive in the moment. Pairs is like, look, if you can just buy me a
Starting point is 00:28:50 little bit of time to finish these repairs, our shuttle, your fleet, my knowledge of turning off a lot of the Voyager's defensive systems. That's a combination that equals a survivable a combination. That's a combination that that equals a survivable fight when the time comes. So that's that's exciting. You know it's even more exciting. Brad Duriff as lawnsuiter. He's popping out of the Jeffries tube in Six Bay and he is shook looking. He comes in and starts talking to the EMH who is like, great, let's get to work on this plan, not even pausing to like wave a light over the open cut on Souter's head. Yeah, can we please like patch up Lon Souter? A little bit of Karen feeding of your human weapon would be nice.
Starting point is 00:29:41 The cabin next to his exploded today. Yeah. Very interesting scene where they agree that the ship must be retaken and that Souter is kind of because he is able to leave Six Bay, the one that's going to have to do it. But he is really reticent to engage in an activity that will require murder of him. This scene is so interesting to me because the doc in the middle of it recognizes
Starting point is 00:30:16 how wrong he might be to place any trust in a compromised Brad Duriff in this moment. And so the doc begins to suspect the worst from him going forward. And that feeling is reflected not by Brad Duriff convincing him otherwise, but by Brad Duriff suspecting the worst from himself. Yeah. And having to kill someone after all the work he's done, it's basically exactly the opposite of most interactions you and I have,
Starting point is 00:30:44 or one of us is feeling really bad and the other person's like, no man It's fine. You're good like what if what if both of us were like no man You're a pile of shit and you were letting the team down and I am too No one lets us down like me You can't even do that right. Hey, I don't want to get in the letdown measuring contest with you. I'd lose. I measure my dick from the tip. And I measure my letdowns from the base.
Starting point is 00:31:19 It's a really interesting scene. It felt like a fun challenge in like movie trailer writing like he's the best murderer out there and he's coming out of retirement for one last shot. Yeah yeah if we haven't said it enough up until now Brad Duriff was the absolute best casting job for this character. No one else feels as haunted. Like, I love playing fantasy casting with you. While you watch these episodes,
Starting point is 00:31:52 I cannot come up with a better casting choice than Brad Duriff. It's so good. He and Robert Picardo are so great together in this scene also, because what the EMH realizes is that he's going to need to kind of pull a captain's speech style motivation out of the quiver and it feels new and uneasy coming out of his mouth, but it's enough to give Souter the the nudge that he needs to you know join this effort I'm really glad it's the doc here I'm also really interested in the reason why it has to be the doc here because it's anyone else convincing Brad Duriff
Starting point is 00:32:37 It's okay to kill and that person can be killed by Brad Duriff That's a very dangerous situation But the doc is impervious to Brad Duriff here. So he can wind him up as much as he wants. Yeah, he could really work him into a ladder. He'll be fine. Here, practice on me. Come on, stab, stab.
Starting point is 00:32:59 Yeah, I thought for sure there would be a moment where we saw Brad Duriff's hand holding a knife go through the dog's body or something. Yeah. That would've been fun. He doesn't quite tip over that far. It's a controlled rage, man. One hologram and one sociopath may not be much of a match for the case on, but we'll have to do. On the planet, the crew have come to realize that Nielix and Kess are missing and they're like,
Starting point is 00:33:24 we've got to rescue Kess. She was only two years old. Yeah. Unlike Luke losing his droids, they are not going to wait till morning to go, to go look for them. Hmm. And we've got a gadget expert on the team named QVoc.
Starting point is 00:33:43 And he's like, now, you're gonna get this watch the Chutes of Laser Beam and Chicoetay. What do you think about this bow and arrow? Chicoetay's like, come on man, twice in one episode. Are you fucking kidding me? You know, the first time seemed pretty tame because I was saying it about myself, but now that I'm hearing those words come at me,
Starting point is 00:34:02 very hurtful, TuVoc. Very hurtful indeed. A Tubak's like, no, no, no. I was just asking if you thought I did a good job on making my bow and arrow because I'm actually awesome at this. I believe Tubak, when he says it, but I am also really glad they don't show the bow and arrow more than they do because this thing looks like a fucking piece of shit. It looks so bad. We get a wide shot later where he's like drawing it back to full
Starting point is 00:34:29 tension and like arrows are rocketing down the mountain at his targets but as he's fashioning it in camp it looks like a drugstore bow and arrow that you find in like the toy section with like the little suction cup arrows. It's really bad. Yeah. They find this band of crows, Magnon and they've gathered around Nelix and Kess and they're speaking a language that we don't understand because nobody's compadges are there.
Starting point is 00:35:02 I think somebody should have kissed her to combat. Oh, yeah. I was at should have kissed her to compage. Oh yeah. I was at jail with 11 people and somebody managed to sneak a phone in the holding cell. Not any phone you'd want to hold near your face though, right? No, but there were 150 people marooned on this planet. You're telling me that not one of them
Starting point is 00:35:20 could stick a compage in his shoe and get it past the gaze on? A crew person should be designated for keystering the con badge. In first just such a moment. Yeah. Any office building of a certain size, like there's always one person
Starting point is 00:35:37 that's got like an orange hat hanging in their cubicle because they've undergone half a day of emergency preparedness training. Yep. Respect the orange hat. Somebody should have an orange hat and a con of emergency preparedness training. Yep, somebody is a orange hat. Somebody should have an orange hat and a combat in their butt. I love how Chico De walks into this scene like Chris Pratt from a Jurassic Park movie. He is so fucking cool. He is cool as a GERKEN, Ben.
Starting point is 00:36:06 And he negotiates for the release of Kess and Nelix without knowing the language, without knowing the customs. Well, turning down some sort of prisoner exchange that the tribal leader offers him. The Chico Te Stock shoots up in the scene. I mean, volatile trading of the Chicoete stock in this episode, but in this scene,
Starting point is 00:36:30 like investors are really excited about this situation. Be careful buying Chicoete coin. All investments bear some risk at them. We're not, we would never, but if the greatest generation had its own blockchain, what would our coin be called? Chicoin is kind of fun. Chicoin is, is as difficult to say as, as most word mashups we use on the show.
Starting point is 00:36:57 It's sort of appropriate. Yeah, we just get space caring to take a position in it and we'd be off to the races and we'd be fucking rich. You write about Chico Te, though, as a character. This is, if you went in there on a rescuing POW's mission, he's got back up here, which is what we realize at the end of the scene. But if this were a firefight from the start, it doesn't do anything for Chico Te's character. But that he walks in there the way that he does.
Starting point is 00:37:24 I come without weapons. Does the negotiation, does that confidence move of slowly turning, walking away and not facing the people who are going to try to kill you as soon as you leave them? It's a great look all the way around. Huge, huge respect for this look. And not the leader of this band, but a couple of the other guys decide that this is a bad deal for them. And they start chasing after them. And this is when two-vac pops up over a rock. And this guy gets arrowed. The suction cup arrow, like, is shooting so fast in the heart that it actually penetrates the body? It does all kinds of damage.
Starting point is 00:38:10 Yeah. It turns into a pretty dicey situation where restless natives are pouring over the past toward the group, and they're not in numbers. Like the Starfleets have spread out to try and find them. And so Chico Te Leeds, Cess and Elix and Kim and TuVoc into one of these dino caves knowing that the local population will be loathed to go into the caves with the Chomppy dinos. I'm just a local native on this volcano planet. You weird face tattoo frightens me.
Starting point is 00:38:52 All I know is that if somebody re-rends another car, they bear responsibility for that damage. This has been unfrozen caveman lawyer. Well, things are just as inscrutable up on the Voyager, where SESCA and Culla are trying to make repairs to the ship. Repairs necessitated by reasons they don't understand, are they naturally occurring? Is this a maintenance issue?
Starting point is 00:39:22 Or is it sabotage? One of these K-ZONE engineers is like, I swear, like everything was fixed and now look at this and he opens a panel in the warp core and just a bunch of wooden shoes tumble out onto the floor. This poor Kazon guy just gets his pine cone smashed multiple times this episode. You really feel bad for him. It's pretty rough. There's a scene where Kala is coming down that weird little elevator that you can like only stand one person on and there's no railing.
Starting point is 00:39:54 And he's like, got his arm outstretched and he's pointing at this guy yelling at him. That is not how you want your boss to walk into a room. It's a threatening look. Behead. What's gonna make Culla happy? That's my question. Having a ship that works would be pretty huge, I think. Brad Duriff and Doc Holliday actually watch this scene
Starting point is 00:40:17 from Six Bay in another great moment of Star Trek characters watching Star Trek. A thing that we've wondered about all the time is like how extensive is the surveillance camera network on a Federation Starship turns out pretty extensive. Yeah, it's a police state on there for sure. Yeah, it's fucked up. On the planet, the locals have begun a brush fire at the mouth of the cave.
Starting point is 00:40:43 They're trying to smoke out Chicoetay and crew and Chicoetay proposes going deeper into the cave to try and see if there is another exit minds of Moria style and This is when they they come across the chamber where this where this dino is sleeping across the chamber where this, where this dino is sleeping. Anytime you come across a sleeping monster like this, why is the plan always to quietly scurry past instead of stab it in the fucking head while it's asleep and kill it? They've got a bunch of weapons, they've got spears and, and bows and arrows like, like
Starting point is 00:41:24 everybody get gather around it and stab all at once. I got a stab for three times. Oh, you don't got a fucking stab for three times, you got a stab for once. Two-vac really shrunk from this opportunity right here. Well, you don't think you can hit a perfectly still monster snake, two-vac? How good a dartsry were you back at the academy? You nailed that one guy in the chest like five minutes ago. What, where did your confidence go man? We do a lot of cross cutting here in the scene, right?
Starting point is 00:41:51 So outside the cave, Janeway has assembled her B squad out there to come up with a plan to help. And as the inside the cave crew is scurrying past the monster, the outside the cave crew has created a diversion to put out this fire. They see the fires like the main threat, they don't know what's happening in the cave, they don't know about the monster specifically.
Starting point is 00:42:13 But once they hear the noises coming from inside the cave, I think they're very clear at the dangers inside. And so this poor random crew person gets fucking chopped in there. And this is the moment where my big idea of spearing the sleeping monster is disproven immediately because there's usually useless against this thing. Yeah, they hit it with everything they've got. And it's like, two of us is like fully legalossing this piece.
Starting point is 00:42:42 It's just like rapid firing arrows. And, uh, no one attempted to ride it and tame it. They make the horrible, unthinkable decision of having to run back toward the fire. Chico Tei is like, can't you do that thing that's spotted with the whale, except like, like, neck pinch it? And Tuvac is like, that was a mind meld, Mr. Ticote.
Starting point is 00:43:06 I do not want to share brains with this dino worm. I have already melded with one monster this season. It was Brad Duriff. So they do, they do the thing that everybody does in every movie and TV show when you're getting chased by something in a cave. You cave the roof in between you and it. They run out. I especially love Garrett Wong's performance
Starting point is 00:43:34 as he exited the cave. He like neon deons the camera position. Yeah. Great work here. Looks great. It's got to feel so good to run and run somewhat full speed in Star Trek when you get the chance because you so rarely get to.
Starting point is 00:43:50 Yeah. Back on Voyager, they've found the Thoron particles that the doc gave to Brad Durif to mask his position on the ship. But this is a pretty standard issue. Makewee's bit of spycraft here. And so Sasuke knows exactly that something shady is up as soon as they start to pick up these Thoron particles.
Starting point is 00:44:13 But the doc has gotten word from Paris that he is inbound with Tlaxians. And he only needs one thing. He's the backup phaser relays to be disabled so that when he takes out the primaries in the case on try and switch, it won't work. Doc, you're not gonna understand this, but I left a pool game in progress in sun dreams.
Starting point is 00:44:36 I'm gonna need you to go in there and finish my game. Now, it looks like you're gonna wanna aim for the corner pocket with that eight ball, but I'm telling you, if you just bounce it off the rail and bring it back towards the side pocket, you're gonna win the game. Can you do it, Doc? This is about when Souter tumbles out of one of the air vents,
Starting point is 00:44:59 just despondent that he's had to take a life. And we see this case on body in the duct, right? Why did Brad Duriff do all the stabbing in the butt though? Like the doc rolls over the body and he's like, well, I know the cause of death for some reason, 13 stab wounds to the butt. I didn't know what to do. I didn't think I should leave him here,
Starting point is 00:45:25 but I could find him. It was like he was in the jeffers tube in front of me facing the other way. That was the fastest way to get him. This case on died of sepsis. Ha ha ha ha. I just got the tickets, but luck number gets there. Roll battle,odgements.
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Starting point is 00:47:47 In Captain Colors' Ready Room, big exciting news. Tom Paris' shuttle has been destroyed. Sasca's like, how many bodies were recovered? And Colors' like, I don't know, I didn't ask. This is like any time I get off the phone with like the bank or something, and my wife was like, what about this, this, and this? And I'm like, I don't know. I just did the primary thing I called for. I didn't ask for any more details.
Starting point is 00:48:12 Yeah, if you want to ask this question, ask them yourself. Is colors vibe? To be clear, SESCA and my wife were correct. In this analogy. This moment combined with the Thoron particles thing is just, it's triggering sesca big time. She's like our pants are around our ankles and we didn't even know it and now we do. We are about to get stabbed in the butts here if we don't type it out. I wish more was made about sesESCA and Lawnsouder
Starting point is 00:48:48 definitely knowing each other when that time comes. Yeah. Because they could have made a ton of hay over it. Like CESCA learned its Lawnsouder is the survivor and she's like, holy shit. We, like, we have a bandage ship now. We are fucked. Do not wait for the Tom Paris attack
Starting point is 00:49:06 We're being wrecked from the inside It's a it's a real Jessica versus suitor whoever wins we lose yeah matchup Yeah, she marches right down to six bay and confronts Doc holiday who Has this butt stabbed case on out on a slab and she's like, what happened to this guy? What a... Oh my God, look at his butt!
Starting point is 00:49:34 The doctor's like he, it was, it was, in engineering, you know what it's like. There he was. Went over. He was probably going to Jeffery's tube and an exocomp came up behind him or something. I don't know. Yeah, I don't get out of Six Bay much. People tell me this is normal. Anyways. Susque is like, I was wondering if you were capable of murder, but I didn't stop to consider the form of murder. And I really should have.
Starting point is 00:50:21 Because it's much more troubling now that I'm seeing this. I was inspired by the presence of a master. Doc Holodeck gives a like Romulan level master class in disembling to Sasuke here. He like agrees to everything she suggests in a way that like creates this totally confusing hall of mirrors of what the situation might be. Is he doing the murders? Is there a make-wee subordinate? Is something else going on?
Starting point is 00:50:50 There's no way to penetrate the answers that he's giving. And... By saying yes to everything, it's perfectly smoke-screened. It's not how it is you're saying yes. And he winds up running for office. Yeah. I mean, if you did a background check on him, he winds up running for office. Yeah. I mean, if you did a background check on him, you'd see all of those bodies he stabbed in the butt.
Starting point is 00:51:10 He hasn't been able to disprove that. Doc holiday claims that he's a medical professional. But what about Do Know Harm? Do all of these bodies stabbed and butts mean? Vote SESCA this November, the candidate that's against stabbing people in butts. On the planet, Chicoete has taken his interaction with the natives there to mean that maybe we can make peace with these people if we're going to be here a while. And it would be a good idea to do so because we've got a sick baby around and I mean, we're
Starting point is 00:51:49 going to need to build partnerships here, not just shoot arrows of people, right? It's really interesting because like the plan is just really going to hell. There's all these like volcanic eruptions happening now. The Voyager crew are moving as a group, the Cavesman are moving as a group. And if there's any more of those snake monsters out there. I wonder watching this episode, like, how prime the directive is because they didn't try to get stuck on this planet. But is the directive prime enough that they should have just let Nelix and Casco and tried to disappear and never interact with the locals at all?
Starting point is 00:52:33 Are they doing something that is really fucked up in Federation terms right now? Because now Chicoote is making heroic saves of people that are like trapped on lava flows and stuff. Yeah. She could wind up being chromagnon Hitler. We don't know. An interesting aspect to this is that with all the good that Chico Te is doing, Chico Te is kind of the face of the maroon star fleets on the planet. Yeah. I mean, the the crow mags are going to treat Chico today as the captain now. Yeah. In any future interactions. Maybe that's the angle. He's making a power play. It's like playing power play chess. The volcano banger results in they're not being able to draw any conclusions from this conversation about whether or not to make peace or war. It instead just creates a conflict where Shikotek and once again act.
Starting point is 00:53:28 I think his stock going back up in this moment though. So, Seska phasers the wall panel that controls the EMH, leaving Brad Durif in soul as the soul make we slept on the ship. He finds like a video message from the doc that says like if you're watching this I'm dead. Maybe I will never come back. And if I don't here's what I want you to know. There's a pool game at sound dreams. Paris is gonna be really fucking sad if he doesn't like the guy came on board
Starting point is 00:54:06 thinking that he was gonna be like a real player and obviously that dream got taken away from him. He's been very unlucky in love on the ship. This is kind of the only thing he has going for him. If he could win that for him that would be great. Yeah I've got a question. That pool game at Sondreins. What happens to the balls if there is a banger on the ship? Is the holodeck on some sort of stabilizing gimbal that keeps the balls on the pool table in place? Or do the balls just go flying everywhere
Starting point is 00:54:40 if the holodeck simulations left on? Or is the simulated gravity in the holodeck Unaffected by the overall gravity of the ship Would you feel a banger in the holodeck? I'm gonna go get a hot dog at the food stand. So I'll listen to my answer over there Get a life. So the attack starts it's It's initially talaxian ships making their run at Voyager, drawing Voyager into a nebula where Tom Paris is waiting.
Starting point is 00:55:12 At this point, his shuttle is like, it almost looks like a pine cone. There's so many decals all over it. Yeah. He's the blonde Baron. And the, you know, taking the bait like a fucking rub, color chases these tilaxians in and now, now they're shooting up the phaser relays trying to, trying to take out the primaries and it's like,
Starting point is 00:55:44 no big deal, we've got backups, but they don't. No, you don't. Because Brad Duriff sunk the Apeball in the side pocket, the holodeck. Kazon Disruptor. When you absolutely need to kill every mother fucker in the room, except those substitutes.
Starting point is 00:56:01 Yeah. Brad Duriff goes into engineering and literally takes out the entire engineering team that he has on-bought with them and does the phaser backups thing and when they try and shoot phasers the next time, it like chaos everybody on the ship. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:20 Oh, and we should say Brad Duriff gets killed. I mean, I was gonna say the success comes at a great cost because What do you think of Brad Duriff being shot in the back here? Like if he goes down saving private Ryan style like face-to-face with a knife through the chest. Yeah. What does that do to his relative heroism? I found myself Really affected that he went out shot in the back like this. Like I like that that he was a hero, he hit the button in time. Yeah. He died from his wounds. As his final act, he hit the button. Maybe it was about sacrifice instead of being a hero. And that's
Starting point is 00:56:58 what that's what made him one, you know. Yeah. He wasn't watching a six. He put the ship and and the ship's interest above his own. I guess so, yeah. I mean, it would have been interesting to have his death be another meditation on his savagery though. Mm-hmm. Like, if it was one of those like, pull himself along the spear that has been stabbed
Starting point is 00:57:21 into his gut so he can get closer to the person that did it. And then he stabs the butt end of that spear into the other guy's butt. And they're like, that's where all the butt stabbings were coming from. Yeah. The case on really do irritated well, I think, is a species. Yeah. Because as their plans go to shit, well, I think, as a species, because as their plans go to shit, Kulla, especially, just cannot even deal with this. And I wanted to ask you this question. The suggestion and then the going through with the idea of abandoning ship here toward
Starting point is 00:57:58 the end seems extremely premature. And I wondered if they had ever considered blowing up the ship instead of giving it back to the Federation. No! Like, it seems like Janeway's way more interested in blowing up the ship than anyone else in Starfleet history. But the idea of leaving comes so quickly, comes and goes so quickly that it felt a little bit. I think that this is like a crucial distinction between the K-Zone and the K-Zones, for example, is that the K-Zone are not so tied to their own honor that they would like hold
Starting point is 00:58:40 the line at all costs. This is an opportunistic species and, or, you know, I don't think they're like genetically opportunistic, but culturally they are based on what happened to them and stuff and Kalla is not a good dude. And so he is much happier just returning to his other perfectly good ships that aren't as good as the Voyager, but are serviceable and not getting into like hallway to hallway fire fights with a bunch of talacians because like the shame of losing a battle to talacians
Starting point is 00:59:20 would probably do a lot to undermine his mage status. The opportunity that Kula takes is the baby. He takes the baby and leaves Cesca behind. It's RSVP suitor and RSVP Cesca in very quick succession. And I think the show has taken all the S villains off of the board. Yeah, you don't have a long future if you're an S villain. Pretty wild to take that many problems out of play at the beginning of a
Starting point is 00:59:54 season like this. Yeah, three arcs ended here. The Sasca arc, the Gercan three-parter and and suitors and the breader of three-parter. Yeah. So down on the planet things have really turned around between the Starfleets and the Crow Magnons. Yeah, after after Ticote turned into an over-the-shoulder caveman holder. He saved one of them from a lava flow. Yeah, and everybody that was watching that was like nice cave mans. They're real, you know. The leader of the cave's man puts
Starting point is 01:00:38 a little bundle of local herbs in a in a bindle and puts it under baby Naomi's nose and let's her breathe it in and that helps her With the weird atmosphere on the planet or whatever it immediately grows the baby's forehead into a crow magnum forehead He says that why we look like this Vicks forehead grow heavy burden to bear, but we bear it happily. Who knew the crow mags had a solution for baby colloc? A different crow mag looks out into the distance and sees Voyager approach from orbit. And this should
Starting point is 01:01:20 have been a moment where like the crow mags freak the fuck out, right? What are the chances they've seen a Voyager before if they didn't see it the first time around? Yeah, the Chromags just in unison shit themselves. You gotta be very strategic with where you play your theme song if you choose to do so in an episode, right? And this, this is one of the few times you can get away with it. You separate the ship in the first episode of TNG, you play the theme song, and then you return voyager to its marooned crew in the third season, and you play the theme here.
Starting point is 01:01:54 It's great. I like the still bedruggled and dirty crew getting back on board and like taking their posts without having gotten combat just sorted out yet. Yeah. It's a very funny piece of continuity. And I mean, I feel like they should give the Tlaxi a fucking replicator for this. This was a really solid hookup.
Starting point is 01:02:16 Dude, yeah. I was pretty upset with how people had to call Neelik Sirr on the surface. But now I feel like he should be a full-on commander of the ship. Like, like, Tlaxian's rule, and they saved the federation's butt this time. Yeah. And they, uh, ship, after, uh, we check in with all the deads in six bay, warps off into the wild blue yonder. The very last scene is like a slow push in on Kim's face at his station. He's like, I had to eat worms down there.
Starting point is 01:02:53 But on the other hand, some of those crow magnon ladies were pretty fly. Did you like this episode, Ben? You know, I'm really easy to get along with, close to the time. But I don't like bullets, I don't like friends, and I don't like you. I'm just too. I did. It was a, it was fun. I think it was pretty light.
Starting point is 01:03:14 It is kind of action movie for the most part with the one exception being the pretty heavy stuff that Souter goes through. And I don't, I think that they were smart to introduce Souther as many episodes back as they did, and then bring that character back to have a storyline like this, because if it had been a character introduced
Starting point is 01:03:37 in the previous episode, I don't think that this would have hit the way it did. Yeah, you have to care as much as you do. But that stuff hits, and the rest of it is really fun to watch. And overall, I enjoyed myself. How about you? Yeah, I really liked it a lot.
Starting point is 01:03:52 I mean, I like action movies, and I always have. So, like, those elements of it really worked for me. I mean, I was implying that it's bad to like action movies, Adam. Did I say that, Ben? Ben? Ben? Look, I'm just grateful that we had Brad Duriff as long as we had him. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:11 I'm gonna try my best not to just be upset that he's no longer here with us. I might be a little more upset at how CESCO went out than Brad Duriff's character. Like, she dies kind of off screen. She just gets given the sheet over the head treatment. She kind of just died from the phaser thing that didn't seem to kill everyone,
Starting point is 01:04:35 or did Kulla do something to her? She was such an interesting character and her arc was so long. Like, I'm not asking for Sasca episodes every season, but I really liked the tension of her just being out there somewhere and being as unpredictable as she was. So I'm sad that she's gone, but just it feels like a very momentous episode in the series because so many threads were tied. Skullcogin going out too. That death feels really big because we've spent so much time with that character. But it's also a more or less off-screen death.
Starting point is 01:05:16 I think both of them feel like they didn't hit quite as hard as they could have. A lot of people died and outside the caeson that was stabbed repeatedly in the butt, not a lot of images of death. Like these people died face down or their bodies weren't recovered. The suggestion of death versus the imagery of it was definitely something I noted about this episode.
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Starting point is 01:06:56 F**k an A. Wow. And that sounds like a fun podcast. I think anything that can include the Candyman and Armist in one podcast is bound to be good. It's worked for us. Yeah. So you know what to do. Wherever you get your podcast, subscribe to Oops All Monsters and get that thing going. It's about monsters. Yeah, what else do you need to know? Adam, our next priority on message is of a personal nature.
Starting point is 01:07:29 It's from your brother and it's to Jair Bear. And it goes like this. I am sending this message, hoping you are still listening to Greatest Gen and we'll hear it when you catch up to Voyager. Your reward for continued listening is Adam and Ben doing an impression of Kevin trying to sell one of his real dolls to Kern. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha It looks as though this is a morgue. If I could jog your memory, you might find that these are not in fact dead bodies, but
Starting point is 01:08:12 simulations of living women. For example, this one is a simulation of my late wife, Rashan. Why are there so many versions of the same woman? I kind of have a type, I will admit. Do you have any models made from desiccated bird meat? I can't help you there, but what I can tell you is that if you're an enthusiast of genocide, all of these were produced using genocide. Unfortunately, I did not remember to bring my wallet or any other form of payment. If you'd like to leave your watch here, I'll let you take one home and come back with your wallet or whatever.
Starting point is 01:09:07 I'd be afraid I'd forget to come back. And scene. Ben, our final priority on message is of a personal nature. It's from Gary and it's to Bobo. The message goes like this. Bobo, you will never hear this. But I love you anyway. Love, Gary. Huh.
Starting point is 01:09:34 It seems like people are kind of like threatening to stop listening in the P1s today. Like a lot of what's going on is people going like, not sure if we're sticking with this. Both Gary and your brother have sort of cycled up to the top of anybody canyons and have thrown their P1s off that cliff. Thanks to your brother and Gary for doing that though. If you'd like to throw a P1 off a cliff, go to Maximumfund.org slash Jembo Tron, set it
Starting point is 01:10:01 up to date. Hey Ben, what's that Adam? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? Jimbo Tron, set it up today. Hey, Ben. What's that, Adam? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? Granabal! Drunk Shimoda! I did, I think it's going to be Janeway for me, that moment where she just checked the handful of Neil Worms on the ground after making such a big deal about everybody needing
Starting point is 01:10:22 to eat them. It really made me laugh when I watched the episode. It seemed very Shimoda to me, so she gets it. And if you're feeling amorous, don't just shoot ropes into the campfire. Find yourself some worms. How about you Adam? For me it's Chico Te, just for so many scenes. He's the hero three times. I got to think that he'd rather die by lava than by that giant snake monster.
Starting point is 01:10:51 That's the only explanation for why he so serenely wanders into a group full of melee weapons. Why he jumps on top of that rock, which for some reason isn't being melted by that lahar. I don't know. by that Lahar. I don't know. He's making moves. And he's not thinking about the moves that he's making, and I think that's a great quality of any Shmota to me. Sure it is Adam. Objection noted, we'll do this without you. Do it.
Starting point is 01:11:17 Do it. Do it. Do it. Why don't you head to the Game of Buttholes? Will the caretaker? Well, I tell you about season 3, episode 2, flashback. Why don't you head to the Game of Buttholz? Will of the caretaker. Well, I tell you about season three, episode two, flashback.
Starting point is 01:11:30 Two-Lock experience is a repressed memory that's linked to his first Starfleet assignment under the command of the renowned, Gepton Sulu. Ah, I'm so excited about this episode, Adam. This is the one that's set partly in undiscovered country It's the day of the big talent show And we need someone to sing a Vulcan 2
Starting point is 01:11:55 Yeah, a lot more two fox singing in this episode Man, this is great. I just can't wait. I'm really excited about this This is like the Tribal's episode and DS9, huh? I think so, yeah. The, yeah, George Taked in the thumbnail for the episode, so. Wow, so it's really him. It's really him. It's really me.
Starting point is 01:12:18 You're required to learn as you play, Role. All right, Ben, our runabout is pumping on top of square 45. One square ahead is a Cocoa Nono episode. A couple of squares past that. Uh-oh, space butthole. Do a different Cocoa Nono square. Got the die in my hand. Maybe the best chance of a Cocoa Nono is coming up.
Starting point is 01:12:40 Yeah. Come on, Cocoa. I have landed on that space butt hole Ben You know what that means we're back to the second row So good news bad news Ah, and second row is bad news good news Got a cocoa no no whip next spin a really long time since we've had a teaky episode, Adam. I feel great about this.
Starting point is 01:13:09 I do too. You know when we're full of teaky beverages, there's gonna be a lot of Sulu impressions. Yeah, yeah, indeed. Oh man, I can't wait for next week. This is great. Yeah, big fun. In the meantime, if you enjoy the show,
Starting point is 01:13:24 recommend it to a friend or if you've got Apple Podcasts we'd love to get a nice five star review on there. Keep our keep our status as the best reviewed Star Trek podcast on the on the platform. Yeah. If unlike Kern you have remembered your wallet you can support the show by going to maximumfund.org slash join clicking on the greatest channel in the greatest discovery as the targets for your support We've got to thank Adam Ragusia The creator of the Janeway song our theme music of course based on dark mysterious per card song Adam Ragusia now a talented YouTube chef. He texted us right to right while we were recording he texted us during
Starting point is 01:14:06 it helped me last longer to be a little distracted yeah felt good it's just one of the greatest dudes uh... we also got to thank bill tilly the card daddy to runs the at greatest track
Starting point is 01:14:19 social media accounts on instagram twitter follow the accounts really fun to follow, and put more and more stuff out at the day. Join a group of friends at a Soto on any social media network you care to point your browser at minus like Telegram and Gap, bro. I don't even know what those are. I'm delightfully in the dark. And with that, we will be back at you next week with another great episode of Star Trek Voyager and an episode of the greatest generation Voyager that's turning the ship into the shockwave. Mr. Dubac, why are you back there singing?
Starting point is 01:15:06 Always with the singing Mr.Tuba. We are in great danger. Why don't you fetch me some more tea? Make it sound, make it sound. Make it sound. Make it sound. Make it sound. Make it sound.

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