The Greatest Generation - Potato Gun Energy (VOY S6E9)

Episode Date: July 17, 2023

When Seven starts watching too much cable news at night, her brains get overloaded and she Jakes the Delta Flyer. But when her conspiracy theories shake the trust between Janeway and Chakotay, coming ...together to compare notes puts everyone back on course. Which is the most dangerous room in any house? Why does Tash get a medical exam in engineering? What’s the best vehicle for poison? It’s the episode that keeps its copy of The Joy of Sex in a cookbook stand!Support the production of The Greatest Generation.Friends of DeSoto for Democracy.Friends of DeSoto for Justice. Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Caretaker!Music by Adam Ragusea & Dark MateriaFollow The Greatest Generation on Twitter, and discuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen!The Greatest Generation is on YouTube.Facebook group | Subreddit | Discord | WikiSign up for our mailing list!Get a thing at podshop.biz!

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Priority 1 message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Hey friends of Disodo. Before today's episode, we just wanted to take a moment to talk about the historic labor actions being taken by writers and actors in the American Film and Television industry. If you're a fan of the work done by the people who make Star Trek, we hope you'll join us in standing in solidarity with the folks who actually bring these adventures to life. Over the past several years, the AMPTP, the organization that represents the American Film and Television Production Studios, have reduced the profit from movies and TV going to workers. And in so doing,
Starting point is 00:00:35 they've attempted to weaken the labor unions that represent those workers. They wouldn't even engage the unions on many issues in their negotiations. And so a strike was the only course of action to take. Adam, Wendy and I have been having a lot of internal discussions about how best to stand with the unions and we are continuing those conversations in a dynamic situation. We're doing our best to understand where the picket lines are in these digital spaces,
Starting point is 00:01:01 and we would never intentionally cross one. With the information we have, we feel like we can do more good talking about and supporting the strike and continuing our show as planned. We'll keep you informed about what all this means for greatest trek specifically. Today we're making a contribution to the Entertainment Community Fund. This fund exists to help all the people whose livelihoods have been put on hold because the AMPTP refuses to negotiate
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Starting point is 00:01:55 and season two of Star Trek Picard. We've set up a page where you can also contribute. It's at friendsofdecotoforlabor.com. That's friendsofdececoto for Labor.com. That's FriendsOfDecoto for Labor.com. Link in the episode description. Okay, now let's get on with the show. Here's to the finest crew in Starfleet. Engage! Bringing weather the U.S. is for the captain captain Bringing weather the U.S. is for the captain captain Welcome to the greatest generation it's a Star Trek podcast by a couple of guys just a little bit embarrassed about having a Star Trek podcast
Starting point is 00:02:34 I'm Adam Pryanaka. I've been Harrison how you doing today Adam? The tops of my cans of seltzer water. You know, do you do this thing like someone throws you a cold one and you grab it and I reflexively, like I'll draw my thumb across the part where my lips will go and then I'll draw my thumb again over the top where the popper goes and then it's ready to drink. As if my thumb has any properties
Starting point is 00:03:04 that would make it any more clean, then it would be, are you broadcasting from a summer barbecue or somebody underhanded you a cold one? Well, I'm telling you this because like the last several cans of bubbly water I've had have felt kind of greasy to me. And I can't figure out why that is. Yeah, I mean, it was definitely admonished as a boy to always clean a can if I didn't know where it had been because, you know, the boxes that they ship those in
Starting point is 00:03:33 are not like enclosed and so like rats can run over the top of the cans or whatever. Anything can happen in those trucks. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But I guess I don't drink straight from the can very often in any case. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But I guess I don't drink straight from the can very often in any case. Oh, is that my problem? I feel like I went on like a tour
Starting point is 00:03:52 of a beer brewery one time and they- Oh, no. I'm now I'm gonna learn the awful truth, aren't I? No, it wasn't bad. It was just like you'll enjoy the beer more if you pour it out in the glass because- I've never seen that many rats fucking at once. And it was on top of every can.
Starting point is 00:04:08 Rat rope after rat rope. Most cans are made of breached shit. No, it was just like, you'll enjoy the beverage more if your nose is doing. It's part of the job also. Oh yeah. Like when you drink a glass of wine, your beak goes all the way in that glass.
Starting point is 00:04:28 I wanna open up this lime and bubbly water flavor. That's a good thought. Yeah, I don't know if it counts for soda pops and whatnot. I chose lazy, I didn't want to dirty another glass, but maybe I should have. Now that I'm thinking of it,, the default way soda is presented to us in most contexts is cup with lid and straw, which completely cuts the nose out of the equation. It cuts the nose to spite the soda. It's not how it should be at all.
Starting point is 00:05:02 Yeah, I like my nose. I like breathing out of it. Yeah, yeah. I finally can. Feeling as good as I have in weeks. Oh, that's great to hear. Clear right up. And it's been a little while since the re-encounter at far point, but I think at a great time doing
Starting point is 00:05:18 that live show. And one of the things that we've been doing with these streaming shows is VIP meet and greets, where we, you could with these streaming shows is VIP meet and greets, where we... You could compare these to a Zoom call where we just hop on and get to meet friends of the soda briefly and we take a quick photo with them and talk to them about whatever they want to talk about. And we were on with listener Andrew recently who swears up and down.
Starting point is 00:05:43 He has a real fiance who isn't in Canada. We spent most of our meet and greet time trying to determine whether or not that was true. But Andrew in a recent code 47 sent in a whole bunch of custom made Star Trek madlips and reminded us of this. And I felt like an idiot because I was really excited when we opened the box
Starting point is 00:06:06 and discovered these mad lives, but we haven't done a madly Marin since we received them. And I think we should rectify that today. Oh yeah, let's rectify it big time. They're both of us. One, two, and you people, you're all, I'm somehow a Star Trek. Mad, mad, mad,
Starting point is 00:06:24 I'm somehow a Star Trek. Mad,, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm a little nervous about being the word giver. I want to choose good words. Yeah, the shoes on the other foot today. Yeah. I guess we could potentially go back and forth also, because the way these work is that we fill it out on one side of a piece of paper and then we'll flip it over and find out what we did. So it's even going to be a mystery to me as we fill this out. Wow.
Starting point is 00:07:01 Okay. But why don't you get us started with a verb ending in I and G? All right, verb ending in I and G. Verb is an action word. Right? A verb is an action word, right? Oh, thank God. Okay. It's like my favorite star wars meme. How about carving? Carving, okay. There's a my favorite Star Wars meme. How about carving? Carving, okay. There's a temptation to do Star Trek specific words, but the mad live itself is Star Trek specific, so I don't think you need to, right?
Starting point is 00:07:34 This is a great point. I think do whatever words make you feel good. I'm gonna choose intentionally not Star Trek words. Okay. And then we'll find out how bad of a decision that was Let me do the flip over verb is our next part of speech All right drink drink, okay plural body part Okay
Starting point is 00:07:59 boobes noun home nonsense name boobs. Noun. Home. Nonsense name. Nonsense name. That's got to be an alien, right? What does that mean? Nonsense name? Like the name of a person that is unpronounceable?
Starting point is 00:08:17 Yeah. Or weird? Yeah. How about, defested? Hahaha. I'm positive that Jake will take that on the way it's intended. How about... ...defested? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Like two stuff? Uh-huh. Another verb, Adam. Pack. A period of time.
Starting point is 00:08:51 22 minutes. Hey, I thought you were trying to avoid Star Trek specifics. I know, I couldn't help it. Three adjectives. Three adjectives. That's a part of speech that modifies a noun. How about red, white, and blue? Go Maraka.
Starting point is 00:09:10 A longer period of time than the previous. Oh, how about 47 minutes? Fuck, that's so good. That's a Star Trek reference. Verb? Y'all? And finally a planet. Neptune.
Starting point is 00:09:30 Okay Adam, I'm gonna uh, unfold this piece of paper and see what we've got here. This story is called Working with Janeway. It goes like this. Ensen Pranika, you're going to be carving alone with Captain Janeway for the this. Ensen Pranika, you're going to be carving alone with Captain Janeway for the first time today.
Starting point is 00:09:48 And I wanted to let you know a few things before you accidentally drink on her boobs. And get yourself into real home. You're going down to Defested Five and she is going to be relying on you to be skating at your very best. I know you've got what it takes But you're going to have to stuff it right here right now Well, the captain won't pack you on an away mission for 22 minutes. She's red, but she's white She's also more blue than anyone I've ever met and she's kept us alive
Starting point is 00:10:23 also more blue than anyone I've ever met. And she's kept us alive for 47 minutes. So stay focused. Yel, whatever she tells you to, and we'll all get back to Neptune before you know it. Hey, that works. That's pretty good. That wasn't too crazy. Yeah, I liked it.
Starting point is 00:10:39 It started very sexy though. I mean, a plural body part, I was thinking dicks because Klingons have more than the one. Right. That would have been a surprising thing to learn about Janeway too. Yeah. But these things worked out great.
Starting point is 00:10:56 Thank you, Andrew, for sending those in. Andrew, you rule. Thanks for giving us our mayor an open today. Yeah. Well, Adam, do you wanna get into the meat of this episode? Or are you into conspiratorial estate of mind? I mean, is that even meat? And is that what they want us to think?
Starting point is 00:11:17 I don't know. It's meat laced with a dream of chrome. Yeah. Probably. Yeah, it's umbilical cord blood meat. Yummy! It's Star Trek Voyager Season 6 Episode 9. Nice. The Voyager conspiracy. Reaver course. Unless you've got something a little bigger in your torpedo tubes, I'm not dreaming about. And in our cold open, we find Naomi Wildman is waiting for seven in her alcove. I don't know how I feel about a kid playing in my alcove when I'm not around.
Starting point is 00:11:54 Didn't that always feel really intense when you were a kid and you'd go to a friend's house and they'd like want to show to their parents bedroom? Yeah, like their parents bedroom felt like a dangerous, like not okay place to be as a kid. Absolutely. I mean, that's where all the porn was. Hahaha. There were definitely kids that I played with growing up
Starting point is 00:12:17 who like spent lots of time in their parents bedrooms and like didn't understand why I had misgivings about going in there, you know, on a visit to their house or whatever. Yeah, Yeah. Kind of a lot can happen in there. Kind of a lot can happen in there that you wish you could forget. But instead, it's just seared into your eyeballs forever. Yeah. Paging through a dog-eared copy of The Joy of Sex. Yeah. Kind of more dog ears than you'd expect. Yeah. It's like, how much of this did you not remember from reading it?
Starting point is 00:12:49 What the hell, like you have to refer back all the time? There's one of those clips that holds the book flat like the recipe books, as if it's being looked at during. Yeah. Don't love that. Looked at During. Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe Naomi Wildman should know that she is not a priority for adults. We're schedule for tomorrow. I'm working now. The thing that Seven is preoccupied with is a new gadget that she's going to be modifying her alko with that will enable her to download all of the sensor data from the ship and load
Starting point is 00:13:42 it right into her board brain. And in this way, she will have a deeper and richer understanding of what the ship is going through on a day-to-day basis. And this is something she was used to doing as a drone. And she's kind of bragging on how much more capable she's about to become. You know what this idea feels like? Four tens. You remember the first time that started to go around the office, like, you know if I just work four tens,
Starting point is 00:14:14 I can get Friday off. Like, this feels like what Seven's trying to do. Like, if I could just work in my sleep, I can start taking Fridays for me. Right. And then I could play Kata Scott with Naomi as much as I want. That's not how this works, Sevin. That's not how any of this works.
Starting point is 00:14:31 Yeah. Now, you have to get the approval of a manager, and no manager of mine ever approved four tens. No matter how emphatic I was about the idea, Anytime I've had a job, like three o'clock rolls around and I'm already so fucking desperate to leave, I can't imagine like willingly adding a couple hours to my sentence every day. Yeah, I would say for me, and I know you know this about me.
Starting point is 00:15:00 I will just work and work and work. And I will work toward free time in the future that I then never claim. Yeah, yeah, that's a, that's a cruel hamster ball you found yourself in. Yeah, it's real bad. So when Naomi leaves, seven gets into her regeneration closet right after Naomi. Yeah. I'd probably wipe that down. Maybe. I would also probably do this with some supervision
Starting point is 00:15:33 if I was like doing something that will massively modify the way information enters my brain. Right, you want a chaperone for this, don't you? I would recommend a chaperone anytime. You're modifying the doors of perception. And the music seems to agree with me. Yeah. Kind of a weird move to theme here.
Starting point is 00:15:56 Just a get up into the closet, into theme. And after the theme, Janeway orders fajitas from the replicator during a dinner with Chicoetay and they are so authentic that even the plate is hot. I love that. Yeah, sizzling as they go across the restaurant and everybody starts ordering fajitas. The kitchen's ready for that. They started making a bunch of extra orders of fajitas the second the first one went out.
Starting point is 00:16:23 Hey, we got to move these peppers and onions before they spoil. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Time to get these babies out there. I like seeing date night between Chicoete and the captain. That's not what this is. I guess they are in uniform. They're in uniform and it seems like all they ever talk about is work when they're together. Yeah. I like the, the like small townification of what life on Voyager is like.
Starting point is 00:16:52 Paris misread a simulation that the doctor was running on a screen in 6 Bay, interpreted it as everyone on deck 5 is pregnant. That tore through the ship like wildfire as a rumor and Nielix wanted to make a nursery in one of the cargo base. That's great. How excited would Naomi Wildman be for some other kids? Probably very excited. That news probably affects her the most.
Starting point is 00:17:21 But her type of alien ages super rapidly, right? So like, yeah, she's gonna be a teen by the time these babies get born. She's gonna hate these kids. And then they'll probably like ask her to help out with them and she'll totally resent them. Yeah, yeah, it's actually not gonna work out well for Naomi Wildman at all.
Starting point is 00:17:39 No. It's gonna be bad. Life is basically not going in Naomi Wildman's favor. I think we can all agree on that. Yeah. Seven has finished her regeneration cycle back in her alcove and immediately she blows in a call to BLT.
Starting point is 00:17:58 And this is useful dialogue here to tell us what time it is because BLT is pissed to be getting this call waking her up. Good morning, seven. This better be important. I never want to admit that I'm still in bed if somebody calls me and wakes me up because I don't want them to feel bad, I guess. And so I'll never, I'll never cop to being in bed,
Starting point is 00:18:17 but like most of the time people can hear it in my voice. They're like, oh, I woke you up. I'm so sorry. I'll call back later. And I'm like, oh, you didn't. I was up. I've been up You have routinely answered the phone when I've called with an apology right in the beginning Sorry, hello. Yeah, Ben speaking This is why I feel such an affinity for the people of Canada, you know, I bet you have a well-practiced I wasn't just sleeping voice for the phone, right?
Starting point is 00:18:46 Because sometimes you'll just give yourself away with groggy voice. I think that groggy voice is hard to conceal is the issue. So, my problem is my voice is very deep when I first wake up, so like that's the giveaway. Yeah. I've clearly been sleeping if I sound awesome. Who is this?
Starting point is 00:19:04 Yeah. Who is this really cool person? I must have the wrong number. Yeah, they show up on the bridge, seven and BLT, with a request for the captain about turning off the sensor array. And this is after everybody's up and the captain has decided that they're not going to go check out this nebula that Chico Tay was interested in because she'd rather look into a graviton flux that they picked up. Why don't they ever do things that Chico Tay wants to do?
Starting point is 00:19:33 I mean, this felt like the right call, like between the two things, like this one more profitable to their endeavor. Probably no chance of you getting this graviton fluctuation pregnant to go day. Whereas one in four nebulous we've encountered has been an entity of some kind, and who's to say whether they're fecund or not? They're heading toward this graviton flux. It's been weird to take the sensors offline right now because of that, but Sevin has this story about these photonic fleas that came aboard and she goes through this kind of like air-cule puro sequence of events where Neelix brought the larvae aboard
Starting point is 00:20:29 in a canister of spice that he acquired from a former Tlaxian colony. And like a million weird details lead them to opening up a panel in a Jeffries tube and finding little bugs flying around one of the pieces of equipment and they're messing up the sensors. And Seven was only aware of this because she downloaded so much information
Starting point is 00:20:51 into her head last night. I really love the unique way that this episode presents that information. Like the flashbacks and particularly the moments of them beginning here, like those choices are really good choices, I think. I love the way the camera work goes in those flashbacks. It's unusual too, right?
Starting point is 00:21:13 Yeah, like the camera kind of like flying around the room and like because it's sort of like she has as much detail about anything that was happening on the ship at any given time in the last several months or whatever that she can just go look in fine detail at any one moment and see what happened and it's like oh the photonic flea larva got out of the can when Nila opened it and into the replicator because Ensen Kim happened to be servicing it at the same time. It's a real outbreak, the movie, style, visual language, yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:48 Following these particles around, right? It's everyone. That's big fun. Seven is like so vindicated on this theory that seems absolutely cockamami when she first presents it, that she is just cock of the walk. She is like so fucking proud in this moment
Starting point is 00:22:06 when they open the panel up and find the fleas. She knew it all along. Yeah. Very proud moment. So they pull up to where this graviton flux was coming from and it's a space station and they get this dude, cash on the view screen and he's like,
Starting point is 00:22:24 oh, hey, yeah, you guys should put up your shields because we're dealing with some problems with this space station that will fuck your ship up if you're not careful. I'm trying to restabilize the core and I need some help. Tash is a great combination of loaf and attitude and situation
Starting point is 00:22:48 that makes you not fear him or be suspicious of him early on. He just seems like a guy busy doing science and maybe it's that his first dialogue is like one of protection for Voyager. He's like a middle school scientist about to do something with a Bunsen burner. He's like, stand back. Kids.
Starting point is 00:23:06 Everybody put on your goggles. I really like his whole deal. I like to cash a lot too. And yeah, the actor of the play's tash still works all the time. I looked him up and he's got like multiple 2023 credits and no surprise. Yeah. He's got kind of a duck mouth without the beak, right? Yeah. It's a ditha.
Starting point is 00:23:30 He's got like a surfboard on his head. Yeah, he really does. Yeah. Somebody should be riding on that wood. Hmm. Maybe there's a Mrs. Tash. Who likes that ride? Uh-huh. Because Mrs. Dash brings you a garden of flavors.
Starting point is 00:23:47 So yeah, he's explaining, oh yeah, I'm also a lost soul here in the D Quad. It would have been 10 years for me to get home. Can you imagine? Anyways, instead of spending 10 years warping home, I just decided to build this great method of travel that could get you a thousand light years in a matter of hours. Why aren't we suspicious about this being a one person job?
Starting point is 00:24:12 Like, the way they compose the shots of the exterior, this thing could be massive, but we don't really know its proximity to Voyager. Yeah. To know for sure. It does seem massive. Gotta be big enough to fly a ship through it. Yeah. It looks cool as hell as a project. It does. It's got sort of like a jump gate shape to it.
Starting point is 00:24:37 Like a lot of science fiction pre-visages a faster than light travel that requires equipment on both ends and that sort of a way it looks. But the word space catapult is thrown around in this McLaughlin group. If you want. Holy moly, that sounds amazing. It really does. The question is how do we restabilize the core because I've been testing it and it seems to work,
Starting point is 00:25:03 but the energy core destabilized on one of the tests and without that being fixed, we're kind of upshit creek. And they come up with this idea to use the deflector dish because this is Star Trek. And he's kind of shocked that they're not trying to get payment for this. But the great deal is once he's gone, once he gets home using this, it's there for them to use. It's real potato gun energy. You gotta help your buddy with the PVC pipe
Starting point is 00:25:35 and the valves and so forth. So you get to use the potato gun also. Right, yeah. And we'll take you up on that offer, thank you. And it's like, I know there I know there's like a really high chance that all the like hair spray we're using is gonna explode and I'm gonna get a piece of PVC shrapnel in my belly or whatever.
Starting point is 00:25:53 Back when I built one, we just used air. We didn't use a flammable fuel for this. You weren't using an accelerant? Now, we used compressed air. Wow, that seems smarter. Yeah, I think it worked one time and then it failed completely, but we never got that potato back.
Starting point is 00:26:12 It flew a long way. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Seven is kind of hooked on this new memory download situation. And we see her going to bed, loading herself up with information about the station, the Tash built, and she wakes up the next morning in a state of mind that is very concerned about what's going on here. Yeah. Seven's all about waking people up when she's up.
Starting point is 00:26:43 And Janeway is incredulous about the idea of this being a trap. She's just trying to enjoy her fucking coffee. This is hard to believe. Tash rules everything around us. Pfft. Pfft. Treme get the money, dollar, dollar, bill, y'all.
Starting point is 00:27:03 What Seven says has enough to peak the imagination, right? This epsilon radiation is rare enough that it's appearance on this gate, on Tasha's gate is only the second time they've ever encountered it. The first time was at the caretakers array. Yeah. So what's going on here? Like that little detail, Janeway's like, Janeway was not ready to believe it before, but this radiation's too rare for it to be a coincidence.
Starting point is 00:27:34 And so when engineering, they full on hauled Tash there for a DNA test, and they don't find any caretaker DNA in him, which is a relief. A relief enough for Janeway to be like, all right, well, let's keep working together at this point. Now that we've verified your identity. Yeah. I thought it was interesting that this happened in engineering because it's like, what's the logic of even staging this scene here, just like they can get to work the second. Well, he's done being verified. All the stirrups are still up on the bio beds from Paris's misdiagnosis of what's going
Starting point is 00:28:11 on in the ship. It's really not usable. It's stirrups and inflatable to Cousses. Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, actor that you used to make this thing, you must have gotten that from a caretaker or similar. Sure. And his defense is also very credible, seeming. He's like, look, the reason I didn't tell you was that this is a pretty high value part over there, has a significant dollar value.
Starting point is 00:29:02 Yeah. Like, you destroyed your caretaker station because you didn't want it to fall into the wrong hands. I'm kind of coming from the same place here. Yeah, you kind of have a reputation for destroying things like this. Can you blame me for not telling you? Yeah, for not telling the ship of death.
Starting point is 00:29:19 They can bill me. And that makes sense to Janeway. They'll keep working together on fixing the station, but off to the side Seventail is Janeway. There is a non-zero chance that this is a reactor that is from the caretaker station and that those torpedoes that you shot at the station were insufficient to destroy this. And so
Starting point is 00:29:44 at the station were insufficient to destroy this. And so, seven is a science eight sort of forensic examination of the logs and the video and the debris from that explosion. And then the ass lab, she does that. She reviews all the tape of the destruction of the array and it's like analyzing the compounds that were left over after it was destroyed. And she asked the computer about like, what did the Voyager use to destroy it?
Starting point is 00:30:11 And it was a tri-cobalt device that was used. But what's weird is like a tri-cobalt device is like a single action weapon. And from that distance, the accuracy just doesn't seem to make sense. So you'd almost assume that there was another shooter. Right. Shooting a different weapon across the way,
Starting point is 00:30:30 especially with the way that the station moved, once it exploded, back into the left. Right. Back. And to the left. So what are you saying? Was it some kind of magic tri-co-ball device? That's what I'm saying. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:30:47 Yeah. And then why was there a guy with an umbrella watching the tri-co-ball device? Why wasn't the caretaker station wearing a roof at the time? That would be normal, right? Yeah, that would make sense. Yeah. I did like that scene where they were like apprehending the caretaker and the caretaker was about to shoot one of them with a pistol and they caught the webbing between their thumb and forefinger in the hammer of the pistol.
Starting point is 00:31:18 Oh, that's got to hurt. Oh, better than getting shot. It is really weird when Seven presents this research to Tuvac on the bridge. Starts questioning him about the caliber of torpedo he shot, which is way over what was necessary. Like Tuvac clearly wanted to make a big boom. By the big boom. That the reactor went into subspace mid-explosion due to the caliber of these
Starting point is 00:31:47 torpedoes. Like, you tear subspace with these torpedoes, too, Valkyrie. You know that, don't you? And he seems fine with that. It's like you don't even care about subspace. And what about that tractor beam? Yeah. It would need to have a ship attached to that, right? There's one image from the like external camera on the voyage, or that they keep showing in this episode of mid-explosions, and there being something that looks like a tractor beam. And like the sun on that tractor beam is clearly like casting a shadow at one angle, where like the caretaker station shadow is casting a different angle
Starting point is 00:32:25 as though it's some sort of composite. Right. Is Tuvac the Patsy here? Makes you wonder. You sort of wonder if like Stanley Kubrick directed the footage of the destruction of the array and like did it on behalf of a conspiracy to make us believe that it went one way when it really went another. Sure seems like it, but the thing about Tufac
Starting point is 00:32:48 is that you cannot conversationally corner him into your weird world view about what might have happened. Speculation, he's not evidence. He's too logical for that. Yeah, he could never go cue it on, you know. No, yeah. But you know who could Nelix because in the mess hall, seven four summaries and chats him up about what she's trying to puzzle together. Yeah. And the events surrounding the pilot episode of the series.
Starting point is 00:33:18 Yeah. Back in that episode, Nelix was a pilot. Yeah. This is straight out of law in order, too. Like Neelix as guy with a push broom, working in a factory, like getting asked a bunch of questions. Doesn't stop working. Yeah. She's being questioned about the details of the case. Yeah. Neelix is ready to believe her.
Starting point is 00:33:43 And he is enthusiastic about like being a part of it, contributing his own ship sensor logs. And seven's like, cool, do we get to see your weird ship? And Nielix is like, fuck no, I'm just giving you the logs. Just date it. Yeah. Do not look at my ship. No one gets to see that ship.
Starting point is 00:34:01 Yeah. So he shares his sensor records with her and just like as a reminder, this was in an era where the caretaker was bringing ship after ship to the Ocampa system. It takes seven hours to get past all of the Kest stuff, though. Like kind of a gross amount of sensor footage about Kest here, Nelix.
Starting point is 00:34:25 Yeah. We were getting very close. I don't like that. Yeah. Like it's, it's okay that you had a crush on her. Yeah. But like this is overkill. I'm like the fact that she never figured this out. Yeah. The fact that when she became a being of pure energy, she didn't freshen you up. You're fucking lucky. Seven checked out the tax documents folder
Starting point is 00:34:45 on the sensor logs and she really regrets that. Yeah, so she goes and loads all this information into her brains. I'm like, yeah, I think he likes it. The next morning we get to see Tash using his gadget and this looks awesome. It's another scene that really made me like Tash because like a kid at the tap of a hill in a soapbox race, he is so excited and he's grateful for the help
Starting point is 00:35:14 and he's like, all right, hopefully this works. If it does, you'll hear from me in a couple hours. And what's crazy about this is like his enthusiasm is mirrored by Janeway's facial expression, which is like she's watching a grandparent try to eat with chopsticks. Like, she's like willing to work, but deep down, she does not think it's going to. He doesn't have a lot of confidence.
Starting point is 00:35:42 No. Yeah, I love the special effect on Tash firing this thing up. It looked so cool. Yeah. His ship is kind of like caught in a web of lightning and then it just like rockets out of there. And I think that they really did a great job of visualizing catapult, you know?
Starting point is 00:36:00 Yeah. This portal doesn't necessarily like go anywhere. It kind of folds space. And that combined with Tash's crucifix-shaped ship. Really gives the whole scene a different vibe. Yeah. I mean, I would say Tash poking a pencil through that piece of paper felt a lot like seven going through Nielix's shift blogs. Excuse me, that's Vanessa, that's mine. If Chicoetay had been the one to poke a pencil through that piece of paper to demonstrate how Space Travel works in Event Horizon,
Starting point is 00:36:39 would he have broken the pencil after? Yeah, I think so. I think so too. And that would have been more accurate to what happened in Event Horizon, you know? I think so. I think so too. And that would have been more accurate to what happened in Event Horizon, you know. Very much so. Right. Got tickets that,
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Starting point is 00:39:25 Fewer of sealed the doors, deactivate all sensors within this room, acknowledged. And like the look on Jicote's face is like, oh, oh, is this happening? Whoa, I had no idea. Seven. Yeah, he like checks his pits to make sure they don't smell. Yeah, I've only had had between three and five minutes to prepare just minimally. That would have been great. Instead, seven reports that Janeway has an evil plot and that she's been using Chicoce and the rest of the make-wise as ponds in a dastardly scheme to establish ponds in a dastardly scheme to establish a military presence by Starfleet and the Cardassians in the D-Quad.
Starting point is 00:40:10 This was an exciting scene because you watch Chicoete kind of smugly, patiently eating this plate of crazy for a bit like humoring her. But then he sees that picture of the Cardassian ship among all this evidence. And that kind of changes his mood. Yeah. It still doesn't quite explain like why the Federation would participate
Starting point is 00:40:34 in a mission like this, like with Janeway in charge especially. And then sevens like. There are precedents for unauthorized missions of this type commander. You know this as much as anyone. You've watched it happen. Right.
Starting point is 00:40:46 And the way seven like paces behind that rail, like a lawyer, like it's total courtroom physicality. Yeah. Did you ever watch Boston Legal because Jerry Ryan was in that show, it may be wonder like seeing lawyer seven operate in this room, may be wonder if this is the audition tape for that show, like cop it in because she fucking
Starting point is 00:41:07 delivers. Jerry Ryan does here. The way she is relentless with her point of view, the way anytime someone comes back at her with a yeah, but what about this? She has a snappy answer and then like a follow up answer to that. Well, it's like that's the trap of any conspiracy-minded person, right? Like the purity of the information is required only to destroy the idea, but it's never necessary to create it.
Starting point is 00:41:36 Like it's your job to destroy this world view perfectly. Right. And Chico Te is very much like an uncle scrolling through Facebook where he starts out in a pretty like reasonable state of mind. And by the time he's done with seven, he is on very shaky ground, like reality wise. think about what it means to him. Like maybe Janeway isn't in love with Tom Mervins, after all. Like if she's willing to go through this mission, maybe Tom Mervins isn't even real, and those dogs either.
Starting point is 00:42:15 Yeah. Maybe she's actually single. All right, you've got my attention. The implications are apparent. Yeah, this is like pretty upsetting because Tash would be the final phase of this mission, like building the thing that can bring all of the material of an invasion force from the a-quad, and she's basically worn him down until he is sort of thinking she might have a really great point.
Starting point is 00:42:43 Yeah. It worked. Worked at this great point. Yeah, it worked. Worked at this point anyway. Yeah, they hear from Tash. Everything went great on Tash's mission. And he's like, yeah, like I'm here. And you guys can go ahead and use my array, couple of things with the shields, but I'll send you all the information you need
Starting point is 00:43:01 to set yourselves up. And look, if someone who looks like me claims to be in a relationship with me, looking for where I am or whatever, you didn't see me. Yeah. You didn't see me use the array. You definitely don't know where I ended up. And if I had any advice, just say I'm dead, I didn't survive. And if you could just like, like, don't bring it up in this part of the conversation, but
Starting point is 00:43:29 if there's a way to work it in, just say something about how you also believe that Eaton ain't cheating. Just like, I want them to kind of get this sense that that's like a pretty normal viewpoint. I'm sure you can understand what it's like walking around with a face of appendage like this. Looking like it's ready to go at all times. I mean, eventually you just get worn down. It's really tempting for a lot of people. Anyways, it's been great knowing you guys, enjoy that array, Tash out.
Starting point is 00:44:01 Amazing. I must ash, right him. Thanks everyone that meets him. One of our more interesting missions. I'm gonna miss Tash a lot. Yeah. That guy was great. There goes a real one.
Starting point is 00:44:16 Shana took a king. Yeah. Weird that the show got the rights to like Bon Jovi's dead are alive. Like because when he sets out like the lyrics come in and everything. Wow. Tash was a big deal. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:37 I love Janeway's performance in the scene where they find out that it went great for Tash. Like the look of like shock and optimism that she brings to this interaction is so great. Nana got that pot sticker to her mouth without dropping it at her own lap. Like, amazing. It's good. I like this.
Starting point is 00:45:03 I like this. Janeway's optimism seeded right next to Chicoate suspicion is a mood, right? Like I love this moment. Yeah. So good. And Tash broadcast these shield frequency things that they're going to have to do. And Kim's got it on an iPad and Chicoate leaps up and is like, I'm going to take that down to engineering. Don't do it as an email attachment. I don't want that getting sent directly to BLT like that.
Starting point is 00:45:30 And Kim's like, that's my iPad though. And Chicoetay's like, it's fine. It's actually company property. Yeah, see this weird, silvery sticker. You haven't been using this for like personal use, right Kim? Right Kim. And so Kim's got to like fake that, of course, he hasn't, but it's a total bluff because he's been using that to pound out to like constantly. He was stating the obvious again.
Starting point is 00:45:57 Well, you see Kim do that thing where you like quit a bunch of programs. Before he hands it over to Chico Teh. Chico Teh heads down to engineering and he gives the pad to BLT and he's like, all right, put this stuff into the computer but like mess with the numbers a little bit. This is my favorite conspiracy of the episode. Have you run this by the captain? No, and I'm not going to. Not yet.
Starting point is 00:46:24 This whole vibe, because I've always felt like outside of the weird moment of romance between them, like, make-weease. Make-weease? On make-weease. Make-weease. Conspiracy. They gotta be talking like this all the time, not just about important serious stuff, but like, gossip. Yeah. And when the two of them are scheming on something... I love to see this. It's so charged. Yeah. And I think that I think the show is wise not to do this like once a season, even, because I feel like it would make the crew feel too incoherent, but this is a great episode. Premise to get us into, like,
Starting point is 00:47:06 Chicoetan BLT are doing something like explicitly against Janeway behind her back. And like, initially BLT thinks it's ridiculous, but then she's sort of brought in to the conspiracy-hoyal way of thinking because she trusts Chicoetan so much. I think it's crucial though that like the ask isn't destructive either.
Starting point is 00:47:25 It's just time-buying. It's not like the gate stops working after a certain amount of time. Shikote just needs a moment to look through this information personally. And I love that they like have to kick Ensen Kim out of the room so that they can keep having their little hushed conversation.
Starting point is 00:47:43 This never happens to Anson Kim. Usually he's the third in a boy girl situation and like he's invited right in. Yeah, everybody's excited he's there. Something about it reminds me of being in the womb. Get out, Harry. Who are you? Harry Kim.
Starting point is 00:47:57 Get the naked skin. Parents must be very proud. Who are you? They come as come as a pair. Who are you? Harry Kim. Who else is she supposed to get chummy with? Harry Kim and your mom. Very proud. Who are you? They come as come as a pair. Who are you? Harry Kim. Who else is she supposed to get chummy with? Harry Kim.
Starting point is 00:48:06 And you're mocked. Very proud. Who are you? Harry Kim. I lasted 20 minutes. And you're mocked. Harry Kim. Who are you?
Starting point is 00:48:14 Harry Kim. So over in the Alcove, seven wakes up and this time demands a meeting with Janeway. I need to speak with you in the ass lab. I'm on my way. And after turning on those masturbation protocols, Janeway is getting really excited. She's like, I didn't realize that this was happening for me right now.
Starting point is 00:48:32 This is great. You never even made me a bathtub. What's this about, Seven? Most people assume that that experimental part of my life has passed me in the academy. I'm still ready to grow and learn sexually. This is great. Yeah. Because seven's message here is the Mayquise are back. And Janeway, like Janeway's take here is great. It's a coat. I put you up to this. Chicoote has been conspiring with the caretaker to use the array as a weapon,
Starting point is 00:49:09 like this Tetrian generator that the caretaker had would have been such an awesome game-changing amount of power for the Mayquise that they might have won their border dispute. This has all been a long con by Chico Te and the rest of the makewies to trick Jane Wain. She's like, I don't believe that for a second. TuVac would have told me. Seven's like, that's the thing. TuVac is in on it. Yeah. I know you don't want to do it.
Starting point is 00:49:37 Perfect black. Make it yourself. I know you see this as an opportunity to grow. Make it yourself. What did you think was happening here? Because the evidence used was the exact same evidence she used at Chico Tay earlier. Did you feel like seven was glitching or that she was being possessed by some malevolent force or something? This is effectively confusing to me
Starting point is 00:50:03 that she would use the same stuff in a different context. Yeah, because she doesn't do anything like say, I had misinterpreted this data yesterday and I thought that you were doing something. There's no mention of that. Right. Like, she doesn't qualify these findings. You know, Chico Te tells me everything.
Starting point is 00:50:24 So this is very confusing for me. I heard all the evidence, but none of the upshot. I heard the evidence over a plate of fajitas. Maritiera, my favorite. So the Wacadoodle theory this time around is that the make-wee is going to use the reactor to attack starfleet. I mean later on in the corridor after this meeting, seven is totally paranoid about everything and everyone. You see you're looking at people, you see you're looking at Naomi as a threat. Where are you going? That's not your concern. Nothing less threatening than Naomi. Yeah, Naomi totally gets just lit up by seven in the scene. So mean.
Starting point is 00:51:12 You hope the light up is sufficient that she's gone forever though. Unclear at this moment in time. Whether or not she'll be back. Oh yeah, and after this part of season six, there's almost no children in Voyager. Oh yeah. And after this part of season six, there's almost no children in Voyager. Oh good.
Starting point is 00:51:28 Great. They owe me like runs off crime because Seven wants to know who she's affiliating herself with. And it, which sort of goes to that moment of confusion in the scene with Janeway and the As lab. Like, does she think that Chicoete is doing a conspiracy, or does she think that Janeway is doing a conspiracy? And it turns out she thinks both.
Starting point is 00:51:51 Yeah. She, like, is holding both ideas in her head at the same time. And this comes to light even further in the next scene where Janeway and Chicoete have sort of been summoned to the cargo bay that seven sleeps in to... Like, it's sort of a like trick mom and dad into getting back together again. And, yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:14 Type of storyline. I thought you called me. I thought you called me. The dueling desk buster's vibe of this is also a pretty big mood. Our phasers stand at equipment on board now. Must be. The trust in the Captain and her first officer has effectively been shaken. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:36 And what's interesting about this scene is that there's no confrontation in like a military sense. They don't nearly come to accusations or threats of mutiny or whatever. They both kind of reach this conclusion at the same time, which I think is a fantasy Chico Tay's had for a while. Sounds great. Like, a suspicion is that they would both conclude simultaneously. Yeah, what should be rare in, you know, in terms of how those things usually go, but really exciting when it does happen. Yeah, you need to stay fully engaged, no matter what. So they get word from Ensign Kim that the Delta Flyer
Starting point is 00:53:22 has been jaked and Sefin is the one that done the jaking. And Sefin also anticipated all the things they might do to try and tractor the ship back. When she steals it, her bioseg digger has been scrambled. They can't beamer out of there. They can't get weapons lock. They can't tractor beamer. How much would you have wanted a wet pan to be dunks
Starting point is 00:53:44 as soon as he realizes that the flyer has been stolen? He's like, oh, oh no. We gotta do everything to get this back. Captain let me go. I mean, the Alice ship was special, but this one, the Delta flyer, I have fucked a lot. Yeah. But this one, the Delta Flyer, I have fucked a lot. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:05 So the doctor has been dispatched to the cargo bay where he scanned Seven's bed and found that she's like overloaded her brain and like shorted things out by just putting too much data in there. I know Kung Fu. Show me. So with this knowledge, Janeway beams over to the Delta flyer and like bumps right into a forest field that Seven has set up around the cockpit.
Starting point is 00:54:32 So they have to have this conversation across that threshold. Yeah. And Seven is not willing to follow Janeway's orders anymore. And that means that Janeway needs to appeal to her in some different way, in a personal way. She's like, seven, you've been watching too much cable news, that stuff will rot your brain. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:54:57 There is no conspiracy. You need to turn it off. And seven's like, I know what you're up to. Like I realized what the real mission was, the entire time, and she has a third conspiracy theory now. It's not the Janeway is invading the D Quad, it's not Chico Teas getting the Mayquees band back together. It's that this was all a Starfleet plot
Starting point is 00:55:20 to go get seven from the D Quad back from the Borgs. Amazing. That it's so personal now. Yeah. I love all the footage they cut in from these old episodes. Me too. They cut stuff from episodes all through the series in this. It's really great. Star 8, 3, 2, 6, Star 8, 4, 8, 3, Star 8, 5, 1,
Starting point is 00:55:40 Star 8, 5, 3, 3, 2, 9. Voyager is sent to the Delta Quadrant with orders to retrieve me. That's a lot of stuff. That's not possible, Seth. What you're saying makes no sense. I don't believe you. Of course you don't. I really like this a lot.
Starting point is 00:55:55 I think it's especially great because like some of the flashbacks are new footage and some of them are old footage, you know? I like the specificity of the choices. Like even if you're getting a couple of seconds here or there, they aren't so on the nose to bump you out of what you're thinking about during the scene. Like there's not a ton of detail in these clips
Starting point is 00:56:17 and I think that's a positive thing about them. Yeah, so Janeway explains like listen, you downloaded way too much information into your head and you can't actually process all of it. And so, what you're doing is trying to make sense of an information overload and you're connecting dots with like extremely improbable narratives that don't actually add up when you factor in all the information. You've lost your goddamn mind, Charlie.
Starting point is 00:56:47 She starts talking about how they got to be friends with each other and how Janeway, like has seven's best interest at heart for real. Don't you feel like Worf could have done this for Kern? Like could have appealed to him in a different way. Using experiences they've had together, or memories, or whatever. But no, Warp was like,
Starting point is 00:57:11 stir that ice pick up, baby. Ha-ha-ha-ha. Yeah. This is a great moment for Janeway. Like, the repetition of a captain's log is also like, it kind of feels like a tempo that feels machine like in a way that would appeal to a seven. Like there's a rhythm to this scene.
Starting point is 00:57:32 Yeah. That wears her down in a way that I thought was really, really smart. It's very interesting that Janeway has so many of these star dates memorized, too. Yeah. I'm wondered about it because I was like, man, like she really has these down specifically, but
Starting point is 00:57:46 then she messes one of them up. Yeah. So it seems like there are things that she actually had. She didn't study up on an iPad before she'd been over there. It seems like she actually tries to keep track of these things in her own head. She couldn't get Harry Kim's iPad to work for some reason. She was gonna use it for those notes heading over, but yeah, kind of bizarre that it was bricked. She tried to plug it into to charge and there was some kind of goo in there. Should I feel complemented or insulted?
Starting point is 00:58:18 Seven is persuaded. She drops the forest field. Two to beam out. I guess they left the Delta Flyer in space. Right. You wanna get the Delta Flyer before you use the catapult. Am I making any sense here? Yeah. And that was my main question at this point was, like, they're gonna use the catapult, right? I was so sad that they just cut to,
Starting point is 00:58:40 we use the catapult in a captain's log. That really felt like a double cross to me. I wanted to see it again. This episode is going one direction, at and into the catapult, and we don't even get that. Uh, uh, uh, uh. The catapult effect was cool. Do it again.
Starting point is 00:58:57 Oh yeah, instead, you know what we get to see? Naomi Wildman. Cool. Dropping off a bunch of iPads in the ass lab. Yeah. Seven has a life lesson for Naomi in this scene. Learned from her experience doing that sleep osmosis studying thing that she's been doing the whole episode. She's like, look, you can feel like you want to play all the games or read all the books or do whatever it is you're
Starting point is 00:59:25 interested in to the maximum. But what's important here is that you choose quality over quantity every time. Otherwise, you turn into a deranged conspiracy theory person and no one likes those. Yeah, and go easy on using Facebook, you know. Yeah. So finally, we get a dinner scene with Janeway and Tukoteg and unclear what's on the menu. Well, it's like they've already eaten because they're having coffee, right? Yeah. And they kind of post-game the paranoia
Starting point is 00:59:57 that they both fell early on. And they make some jokes about it to lighten the tension. That's nice. There's coffee interesting, each other. You didn't poison the coffee, did you? Do like a nice poison in my coffee, you know? Yeah. Really makes it a little bit more peacont.
Starting point is 01:00:13 Coffee's probably a great vehicle for poison because of its inherent bitterness. Yeah. And that most poisons are bitter. How would you know? Did you like this episode, Finn? You know, I'm really easy to get along with post-reface time, but I don't like bullets, I don't like press and I don't like you. I'm just stupid. I did like this episode. Yeah, I think that there's like a couple of bumpy parts here and there, but overall I thought that they did a really effective job of
Starting point is 01:00:46 giving the characters plausible reasons to mistrust each other. I thought it was a really great performance by Jerry Ryan. Yes. And I really like the idea that she was able to undermine Janeway and Tricot's sense of reality enough that they came to mistrust each other. Like that feels like a really solid relationship right now, but, you know, like having seen them together for five plus seasons. I thought it was a real magic trick that this episode plausibly got them to a point where they were carrying guns around each other. You really said it with plausibility.
Starting point is 01:01:28 Everything laid out here seems pretty believable or believable enough to cause a lot of consternation among the crew. The question remains though, Ben, like what was the tractor beam about? Like, that was real. Or was it like a photo artifact that, you know, like, I kind of wonder if this is going to be an ongoing mystery for anyone.
Starting point is 01:01:55 Oh, interesting. Yeah, I guess there were some pieces of evidence in there that were genuinely concerning. Yeah. Yeah. Strong episode. I liked it a lot. And I think you can put an episode's weight on Jerry Ryan and she'll carry that shit. She's great. Yeah, she rolls. All right Adam. Do you want to see if there's anything in the priority one inbox for this episode? I am heading right there.
Starting point is 01:02:19 Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on secured channel. Need a supplement on it. supplement on it? supplement on it? Yes, extra. But the interest alone could be enough to buy this ship! Ben, our first priority one message is of a personal nature. It is from Stephen and it is to you and me that message goes like this.
Starting point is 01:02:44 Dear Ben and Adam, long time supporter, first time P1. It is from Steven and it is to you and me that message goes like this. Dear Ben and Adam, long time supporter, first time P1. Thank you for all the excellent pod and the great communities that your shows have inspired. Shout out to all my exo cooks! I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy.
Starting point is 01:03:09 I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy.
Starting point is 01:03:17 I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. I'm not a bad guy. Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do You could probably follow my blog as it's in the chest, you knew you. And she handled real me.
Starting point is 01:03:45 You knew you. She touched it and cut it. Cut it. You knew you knew you. In an atom, thank you for being here. Can I offer you something? Perhaps an orange. Oh.
Starting point is 01:03:53 The exo-cooks don't come close to data sophistication. Exo-cooks. That's what I call them. That was an exo-cook drop that Stephen wrote. That is amazing. There you go. I love playing viewer drops on the show. Yeah, that's really fun.
Starting point is 01:04:11 Good job, I steven. The exo-cook sent us aprons, and I still wear my exo-cook apron from time to time. I was wearing it the other day. I was having a cookout with my family. That was wearing my exo-cook apron. And nobody asked me what it was. Yeah, no one wants to start that kind of conversation with you.
Starting point is 01:04:29 Ha, ha, ha. I wear mine too. It's covered in crud. Oh, man, yeah. But that's what an apron's for. Yeah, it's got dino damage, you know? Sure does. We should talk to whoever made that exo-cook design
Starting point is 01:04:44 about putting an exo-cooks apron in podchop.biz. Since the creation and appearances of peanut hamper, do you feel any differently about the exo-cooks? Yeah, we just add a couple of flying turtles to the background of the image, you know? Yeah. Maybe add a few more appendages to the front. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 01:05:08 Added to our next priority one message from Joe, it is also to us, goes like this. Recently, I was speaking with my girls Emma 11 and Bella 9, and they made a faux vomiting sound that was pure garbage. Sending this $100 your way, hoping you would give them a demo of how it should be done so they grow up not being made fun of. Feel free to use whatever inspiration you need
Starting point is 01:05:35 to get you to the right headspace. Thanks and best wishes. I don't usually like to be pimped. I love the style of pimping. This is great. All right, Emma and Bella, this has been an atom for some reason. Your ridiculous father listens to our ridiculous podcast. We're going to give you a little lesson in how to make barf sounds, fake vomiting sounds that are not pure garbage. Okay, hit plus 30 if this is something that will make you sick.
Starting point is 01:06:06 All right, starting now. Because I'm gonna be sick. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Oh, oh, God, yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:18 Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm. Oh God
Starting point is 01:06:46 All right, I feel much better now. Yeah, that feels good to get it out. I always feel better after. Yeah, yeah. Needed to be done. The bad stuff is outside and not inside anymore. Ha ha ha. Oh, I have a studio to clean up now. Yeah. Oof.
Starting point is 01:06:58 Rough. It's a real mess in here. Well, if you'd like to get a priority one message on the show, I had to do maximumfund.org slash jambotron. It's a hundred bucks for a personal message or two hundred for a commercial message. Please get some commercial messages. God damn it. Hey, Ben, what's that? Adam, did you find yourself a drug Shimoda? I think I'm going to give it to Tosh. Tosh was a fun character. I like Tosh's explanation of why he lied. Yeah. As being like. Definitely wasn't about a family he was fleeing at all. It was not. And I think that the main reason I want to give it to Tosh is the mental image I had of all
Starting point is 01:07:45 of the must-tosh rides. Being provided once he got back to his home star system that we kind of rift up here on the show. I feel like Tosh made a lot of people really happy when he came home, you know? He will be missed. Yeah. I can't argue with that. I had another Shimoda. But goddamn
Starting point is 01:08:07 great Shimoda. I got to salute this real one with the Shimoda. One of the best. Yeah. Yeah, touch rules. I'll think about touch for a long, long time. Well, Adam, why don't you add over to God.biz slash game. I I'm gonna tell you about the next episode we're gonna watch its season six episode 10, Pathfinder. Voyager receives a special message from Starfleet Command. Whoa! Yeah. This has got to be a trap, right?
Starting point is 01:08:40 Because they always are. Hmm. We'll find out. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm, we'll find out. Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. Ben, I'm over at the Game of Buttholes where our runabout pulses on square 57.
Starting point is 01:08:55 Okay. Five squares ahead, a space butthole that would send us all the way back down to the second row. That's the only thing we can hit with a six-sided die. You're required to learn as you play, roll. But we had also just hit a normal square, right? All right, yeah. I should have put it like that.
Starting point is 01:09:15 Yeah, we can still do normal episodes. Okay, good, good, good, good, good, good, good, good. Let's see what happens. Ben, I rolled a two. Chula! Did I win? Harvey. That put to son square 59, nice. Nice.
Starting point is 01:09:32 And that makes it a regular old episode. Okay, for you and me. Wow. I'm looking forward to a regular old episode. Those are great. That's going to be good. Yeah. Especially with this episode. Coming up. Yeah. In retrospect, it's a shame we didn't land on a caretaker square last time because this was a real caretaker-y adjacent episode that we just watched.
Starting point is 01:09:54 Yeah, sure was. Well, anyways, had a great time talking it over with you today. It's always a pleasure to make Pod for the friends of the Soto Adam. The pod either Star Trek or Baywatch or Cheesecake Factory or just a bunch of barf sounds. We do a variety of genres. Speaking of Baywatch right after this, we're going to record an episode of our Baywatch rewatch podcast Santa Monica Mountain. We release like a handful of episodes a year about over in the bonus feed.
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Starting point is 01:11:41 It's got me to happen for stress. Yeah, yeah. Plexing, is that what they call it? Yeah. Yeah. Make it sound. Make it sound. Make it sound.
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