The Greatest Generation - Process of Elimination (VOY S5E7)

Episode Date: January 9, 2023

When Seven is full of people who are really excited about improv class, Captain Janeway is willing to get risky to help her crew member escape the voices. But when Species 6339 didn’t develop a cure for their biological weapon, BLT is the only person actually helping shut down the infected vinculum. Which fruit has the highest floor and the lowest ceiling? What’s the secret to destroying a Borgs cube? Should we teach the Federation xenocide controversy? It’s the episode with opposite water problems!Support the production of The Greatest Generation.Friends of DeSoto for Democracy.Friends of DeSoto for Justice. Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Caretaker!Music by Adam Ragusea & Dark MateriaFollow The Greatest Generation on Twitter, and discuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen!The Greatest Generation is on Twitch.Facebook group | Subreddit | Discord | WikiSign up for our mailing list!

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U.S. Captain Captain. Welcome to the greatest generation. It's a Star Trek podcast by a couple of guys. Just a little bit embarrassed about having a Star Trek podcast. I'm Adam Pranica. Ah, and Ben Harris. Something unusual happened to me this morning. Do you like to hear about it?

Some food that you ordered and paid for yourself. What is this story? I was on the toilet this morning. Oh, great. This is how everybody helped me. I was on the toilet this morning. I was on the toilet this morning. I was on the toilet this morning. I was on the toilet this morning. I was on the toilet this morning.

I was on the toilet this morning. I was on the toilet this morning. I was on the toilet this morning. I was on the toilet this morning. I was on the toilet this morning. I think you could say. What is this story? I was on the toilet this morning. Oh, great. This is how everybody hopes an episode of our show will start. Coffee had begun to do its thing. So I'm in there.

Hold on. And I'm doing toilet. Hold on. I'm writing this down. You've got to slow down so I can get every detail. I'm getting it done. For me, it's going to take multiple flushes. All right? Wow. So I would say in my process, my own process of motility, your process of elimination.

I want that title. So in my own process of elimination, So in my own process of elimination, I hit the the flusher about halfway through nothing. That is this you didn't tell me this was a horror story. And I don't know why like nothing happens. The sound of water, you know how like you can hear the tank, Phil? Nothing's going on. Nothing's happening. It's all disconnected. Let me tell you something, man.

The bowl was full. And I'm looking at my situations. Like, I don't know. I don't know what's happening. I don't know what's happening either. I don't know what to do about this. Where are we? What's going on? All right. So without going into too much detail, I need to, I need to leave without

going into too much detail. I would say that we crossed that particular Rubicon about 20 minutes before we even started the show. So I, I cleaned myself up. I went over to the sink, turned on the sink faucets, nothing there. I go out into the kitchen. I turn on the faucet out there, nothing.

You know when your water is turned off, usually there's like a spitting faucet situation. Yeah, or like rattles or there's like weird, airy noises or something. This is like a water blackout or something. There's just nothing. There's nothing happening. And you know there has been construction up and down my street for like two months.

Yeah, yeah, they were digging up the street right in front of your house, right? Right when you moved in, right? I text my neighbor. We're on a text basis. I'm like, hey. Is this the one that's receiving your meals or a different neighbor?

No. This is a different neighbor. I'm like, hey, what happened to the water? And he's like, I had to step out of a shower halfway through. Like, my shower just turned off. To answer the door when the guy came to tell me that they were going to shut off the water and I was like wrong order man. I've got a shit filled toilet that I can't flush. Wow. And he's like, he's like, yeah, the guy said he was going to be a half an hour.

the guy said he was gonna be a half an hour. And I was like, how can you turn off the water before telling us that you're turning off the water? Yeah. Yeah. They got us both. They got us both in very different, difficult ways. But not fun to have a surprise water turn off. What would you prefer his situation or yours? Cause he's probably got like shampoo in his hair and he's like clammy. You can't really like towel off

when you're covered in soap. Yeah. I mean, I guess you kind of can, but it's like it's gross. We both can wipe, but my job is a lot faster. Right. Right. I'm uh, I'm also just wondering why they knocked on his door and not yours. I know. I know, I can't explain it. And not only that, no one ever knocked on my door. They just knocked on his. Dang, weak.

Yeah, so I had to tell my wife who lives and works at home with me, do not go into our bathroom You will never think of me the same again You will finally See in me the decaying bag of flesh that I see in myself. Yeah Yeah, and fortunately she didn't just And fortunately she didn't, just as fortunately a half an hour later, the water came back on. A really, really good feeling flush app. And at that point, a relief, a relieving flush even.

And the danger was over. That's really tremendous out on well. I'm so glad you shared that powerful anecdote with us. That story really had something for everyone in it. Yeah. Everyone poops. I think people are for everyone in it. Yeah. Everyone poops. I think people are gonna like it. Yeah. Yeah. No. I mean, I'm getting emails already from the people viewing at home that they love that story. They really don't want us to talk about Star Trek Voyager

today. They would rather just relisten to that part on a loop. It's so popular. Yeah, I think people like my story, Sven. I'm seeing that the process of elimination t-shirt is flying off the shelf over at podge.biz. Podge.biz! Listen to you in your big head with running water 24 hours a day, man. You don't know what that's like. I have the kind of the opposite problem. I have too much water over here. Oh, yeah. There's basically like a three-foot deep trench dug all the way around the garage building

where I record the episode. Wow. Right now, yeah. They really went to work, huh? Yeah, and then like the driveways all dug up. It's a goddamn nightmare over here. And a lot of mud, basically impossible to go out and get some work done without tracking a bunch of mud into the house, so I've been getting a lot of flack for. Is that mud behind you?

I thought it was crud. I guess it looks like mud. Yeah, a little bit of both. Wow. You can get some water, wipe off that crud. But enough about me, enough about my mud, enough about your mud. Let's talk about the muddy muddle of different characters

living inside of Seven of Nine's brain, Adam. I can't believe he were able to pivot, just world-class pivot right there by you, Ben. Nicely done. Let's get into Star Trek Voyager Season five episode seven. Let's get into Star Trek Voyager Season 5 episode SEVAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN I'm not drinking raw beer. Seven of nine is having what sort of seems like a nightmare at the beginning of this and pops off of her charging mat and starts walking around the cargo bay. I feel like there should be like a, an HGTV show dedicated

to people that live like seven, like coming and turn this kind of utilitarian, you know, semi-brutal, Spartan environment into something a little bit more homey and livable. Yeah. It's all just technology and barrels in there. I mean, it is an open floor plan. You can say that about this. Yeah, they did put in the beam, open the space up and it feels so much bigger. Yeah. Even though technically the square footage stayed the same.

Seven can cook and entertain in a space like this. And she can see the little ones from the kitchen, which is so important for making new memories. Right. Do you ever wake up hungry? The way Seven does? I can't remember the last time I got up and went to the fridge and did the midnight snack thing.

Yeah, yeah. I definitely haven't gone to the fridge and gone full liver king. The whole feast for a whole beast. Maybe that's what it takes to get a natural body like liver king. Yeah. Well, people even know what liver king is

by the time this episode comes out or is that gonna be so deep in the past? I hope not. Yeah. We're dating ourselves with liver king references. I really are. Yeah, this happened when that liver king story came out. This is one of those stage acting assignments

where the instructor prompt is like, okay, now walk around like you're hungry And Jerry Ryan like walks like she's hungry now walk around like you said Now show me anxious Yeah, and if you think that that's where this episode is gonna stop giving different that that's where this episode is gonna stop giving different characterizations to Jerry Ryan on the fly. Think again.

I love how when seven finally reaches the mess hall and starts throwing the Star Trek food around, you can hardly blame her because Star Trek food is not appetizing. What am I gonna do? Eat a wooden bowl of ginger? No thanks. Like why is that put out? Like people might walk by and get a ginger

and then walk around eating it? Does Neelik think that ginger and apples are interchangeable? Delicious. Yeah. That job that I had when we first started the greatest generation, terrible job. But the one one really amazing perk was- You're talking about editing the greatest generation. The one perk was that the receptionist was responsible for putting snacks in the little employee lunchroom area. And she took great delight in finding interesting fruit to put out there. So like every day, there was like a variety of grapes that I'd never encountered before,

or like some interesting exotic fruit, and she would like, you know, sometimes put it out a little instructional card about how to eat it. It was great. I need that in my life again. I would almost consider working a job, if that was a perk.

I really love that that person, you know, instead of turning what could be a thankless job into a truly thankless job, like put their personality into it. Yeah. Yeah. It was a bright and shiny light for everyone else to enjoy. Did you ever tell this person how much you appreciated that? I told her many times. She was a real delight. She was a pleasure to see on my way and to work every day. That rules. Yeah. So did you get a crazy grip at some point? I did. I had those long grapes one time. Have you ever seen those? I love a long grape. Yeah. That was the first time I ever tried grapes that tasted like cotton candy. Yeah. There was all kinds of interesting fruits there.

Like citrus fruits that I'd never encountered before. That were good. When people talk about top fruits, Yeah. People rarely say grape. Grape is consistent. I think that, I know. I think the highs are just aren't as high for a grape

as say a peach. But I like how you know a shitty grape by looking at it too. Like, if it's triviled, you just don't eat the shriveled grape, but every unsriveled grape is good. You just eat it and know that it's a reason. Yeah. But yeah, like the floor is so high for a grape. High floor, but somewhat lower ceiling, I guess. Right. You can have the twiggy part. I don't like eating that. Yeah, that part can suck a lemon.

I like the like steady cam wonders that they gave this scene. Like the way the camera kind of floats around and follows seven as she goes about her meat quest. I mean, this isn't the first one of those. I thought the camera work this episode was notable and good. Yeah, it was really cool. While she's tearing into this hunk of meat, we see a reflection and her face is melting and you know, she she looks at it and she's haunted by it. She knows that one day she will die in a reactor accident or perhaps a a face worse than death she won't die.

And she'll be in a beeping chair for the rest of her life. Do you think they're like the idea of the metaverse being what it is? Do you think there's a universe where it's just beeping chairs? Okay. Well, it's not the mere universe, it's the beeper universe. It's the beeper universe. It is.

Yeah. Now to be confused with the beaker universe, which is just a, a Muppets related. Everybody's a Muppet Scientist. Yeah. Me, me, me, me, me. Oh, man, I take the beaker universe over the Honeydew universe any day of the week though.

Yeah. Honeydew can get fucked. Speaking of fruit that sucks. I like that this is a moment like so many in the cold open. You're sort of taught how to experience the episode. This reflection is important because it has you for the rest of the episode looking for these reflections. Honey, do melon, how about honey don't ever I Love your roll that's really one of the best that was statler and wall door that was the joke

Rolf is more like this. Oh, Luba how to tune piano It's a distinct impression. They're very different. You're right. They're different in the ways your face looks. Yeah. And in no other way. Where were we? Where we're in a McLaughlin group after the theme is your want this time Kim's leading his

visual aid is showing a massive field of debris that they seem to be heading toward. It looks like an asteroid field, but it's not. Those aren't asteroids. No. This ain't asteroids is a film that Ensign Kim is showing the group and they're like, Ensign, this is not appropriate for a word gathering. There's just an 80s video arcade and orgy happening there. They really are out of ideas, aren't they?

Yeah, yeah, it's tough. So yeah, they're heading door to a debris cloud of a board cube. And hard to imagine what could cause a board cube to come apart like this. But Nielix has problems as well, Adam. Return of the midnight snacker. I'm a freechel. There's been another incident in the mess hall. And I really love the low key dragging of TuVoc in this scene, the way Nielix really expresses his displeasure

with the security situation on board the ship. That's just command of two of us has been unable to round up any suspects. I'd like to ask that stronger measures be taken. It would seem to me as though Neelix is developing a kind of character in meetings that is very unwelcome and that is the one more thing, guy. Right. You think them a glothaline groups over.

You think you can go back to work, but there's fucking Nelix there with this one more thing that doesn't have anything to do with anything, that no one cares about whatsoever. Yeah, like, thank fucking God I put this hot dog in the sleep of my shirt. I don't think anyone's going to care about the stolen ginger. But he wants to lock up the food. Yeah, he's, he wants, he wants permission from the captain to replicate locks for the cabinets. Like he wants to childproof the, the restaurant area. Yeah. Instead of putting a camera up, I guess, or asking the the computer who the last person in the room was that would seem to be an

Available security inquiry that they could make and nobody does I think I think that's a reflection of how little anyone gives a shit about this problem though Yeah, they give you bother to ask the computer like Like, two arc claps back at Neelix with a, oh yeah, like, let's send some armed guys down there to watch it and it's like clearly a joke. Right. Has anyone attempted to steal the vegetable broth? Ha ha ha ha. Best in the world.

You know what, the U.S.S. is doing. You know what, the U.S. is doing. You know what, the U.S. is doing. You know what, the U.S. is doing. After the meeting, Sevin is walking back to the ass lab presumably, but is getting stocked by an alien. It's Naomi Wildman, Adam. I thought her character was behind us.

Much like seven of nine things in this scene. Yeah, unfortunately Naomi is a going concern. And she isn't as sneaky as she thinks she is. She's caught dead derides by seven. And when she goes to explain herself why she is attempting to make an observation of the ship's board crew member. It's because she wants to achieve perfection much like a board to help her in her studies so that she can become the captain's assistant. And that actually kind of goes over great with Seventh. Your objective is admirable. Naomi's obsession with rank and career is kind of sad at this age,

I think. Yeah, I mean, she is a kid that's surrounded by adults that are, so it's kind of understandable, but her goal is to be someone's assistant. That's a sad goal. That's like one wrong on her way to captain. She's trying to be captain by the time they get back to, I mean, she's thinking about her future at him. She's like, if we make it back to the a-quad, I want to, like, a little bit of status when we get there, you know? I don't know. I'm just trying to be here now.

I'm not trying to think about being captain when the ship pulls in the port. Yeah. But I guess if you've got a 70 years to wait, it's smart. Oh, but it's only 60 now, right? Cause they saved 10 years in timeless, right? But she's half lizard king. Like she's gonna age super fast, isn't she?

Yeah. She'll be dead before then. Well, if they get one timeless a season going forward, that's true. She might stand a chance. She'd be very old, relatively speaking, but... Seven humor serve far more than I was expecting, as far as like being victimized by Naomi's constant questions.

She gets a headsap while they're talking, and sort of takes on the aspect of an imaginary friend, in a way that was really scary. Hello Clara. Hi. Yeah, I didn't like that. She really makes an Isabella of Naomi. Yeah.

Terrifying. I mean, to an adult, that's known as a kid-cucking, right? When you make an Isabella out of someone. So they're off playing a game called Kadaskot. When you're making Isabella out of someone. So they're off playing a game called Kadaska and Naomi's talking about all the like rules of the Federation that she knows. She's like memorizing the Starfleet employee handbook. It's sad. Seven of nine's personality in this scene is not one of somebody that gives any

shits about that type of stuff. And she also says she hates borks. I mean, yeah, I'd get that. Even if it were seven, I would expect that kind of opinion. Yeah. I just want everybody that ever criticized us for pluralizing borks to get off our fucking nuts. Yeah.

Because if seven of nine did it, it's fucking canonical. Catast got his got a reflective surface, and I think this is important because when you look into it, you can see the reflection of the personality that Seven has taken on. Yeah, it's a real quantum leap technology here. BLT calls Seven on herd communicatorator and seven totally blows off this call. Yeah, until she doesn't, right? It's like ignoring the call until she kind of snaps to and then is, you know, eager to get down there. And BLT is like, damn, seven, you look fucked up. What's going on? Are you sleeping at night? This dialogue felt so out of place to me.

People don't often comment on another character's relative sheveledness, you know? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha What is this? You look like shit. You have like three hairs out of place on the top of your head. Yeah. Maybe you should get to sit back. Yeah, I mean, that was another thing too. I didn't know what BLT was talking about here. Like, you know, sometimes they'll put on the, I didn't sleep makeup or like prosthetic eye bags

or whatever, it didn't look like that had happened here. Or must the hair. Yeah. They didn't do any of it. Like, hair and makeup wasn't reading the script that day. They're looking at this frequency that BLT has picked up on. It's a bored frequency that has something to do with neural links. And so they're talking about like, oh yeah,

that must be like what keeps whacking me. And seven is explaining to BLT like, yeah, I'm super disoriented right now and I'm losing my memory. And she turns around and kind of stops talking mid-sentence. We see her reflection looking all cling on in one of the panels. And then she turns around and starts doing the type of hitting on that clingons do to each other.

Yeah, very season one start track the next generation. Like those kind of Klingons. She's from a world now alien to me. Right, and you know, BLT is like, seven is this your idea of sex. Did she draw blood? She got a cheek bite, didn't she? But like you don't see blood.

Yeah, I was really disappointed in BLT of like not picking up on what was going on. Like seven is literally in the middle of telling her about like losing memory and being disoriented when this happens and then BLT's like, what's going on here? All I did was tell her she looked like shit. And now she's trying to bite me.

Yeah, usually nagging works way better. BLT's been taking like pick up artist classes. Yeah. I love the energy of Jerry Ryan for the whole episode really, but in this scene specifically, like how she just gets the fuck out of there, shoving her way through security and like, high-tailing it out into the corridor.

It's great. It's hard to run like a Klingon when your uniform includes super high heel shoes though. I think that's the challenge to this whole thing. Is Jerry Ryan always looks like seven of nine this episode, but she's doing things physically to make you believe. Yeah, this is not an easy acting challenge and I think that she's got the goods for it.

Yeah. The next scene is her getting pinned in a hallway behind force fields after K, owing another crew member, and then two Valk finds her, and she's like huddled in a heap, like a scared kid. Mm-hmm. Can I do something, then?

She's still holding the phaser. That's the fun part of this scene, right? Yeah. The kind of like way she lets it kind of wobble around in her hand, She's still holding the phaser. That's the fun part of this scene, right? Yeah The kind of like way she lets it kind of wobble around in her hand So you feel like it's not in control at all is very It's really scary. Yeah, and you don't know if she's faking or not right? I don't think that I can tell a difference I mean, I always just assume she's faking yeah, I mean she would have to with you. Yeah, I'm not. I mean, I always just assume she's faking. Yeah. I mean, she would have to with you.

Yeah, I think. But yeah, it's time to get down to 6 Bay. And fortunately, 7 of 9 starts acting like a Vulcan just in time, so. Yeah. Useful personality swap. Yeah. Sometimes it helps. I don't want to do it.

Coffee, black, make it yourself. I'm trying to help you see this as an opportunity to grow. Make it yourself. So in 6-Bay, 7 is able to articulate how confusing this is for her. She's hearing a bunch of voices. Yeah, and we get that shot of like a Borg thing in between. I think we like go to commercial and then there's a shot of a Borg thing and then we're in six Bay

She's talking to them about You know all of these memory gaps that she has and They're and the voices that she's hearing the kind of crowded nightmare voices and the doctor shows them a screen with like a bunch of different overlaid neural patterns. And they're like, this one's seven, and then all these other ones are other people. And we've seen like cutaways to all kinds of federation and non-federation characters in Borg environments, presumably in the process of getting assimilated, very event horizon cutaways.

And a real smorgasborg of species. Very much so. Yes, Ben. So she's full of people and the doctors saying like, yeah, these are different people that she like presumably took part in assimilating. And they're they all got incorporated into her when they got put into the collective. It's so interesting that this episode really puts out there that these are all people who were assimilated. Yeah. But also, these are people who died, you know? Right.

Like they died during the ship explosion. Yeah. Didn't they? Oh, you mean like they were on the cube that blew up? Or are these still living borx? I think that they just happened to be ones that she had in her head because of when and how they were assimilated. So. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, I was all over the place with who these people might have been in her relationship to them. Yeah, I think what you're saying is right. Yeah, but maybe some of them were on that queue. Maybe all of them were. Who knows?

Yeah. I think that's kind of a missing thread to this episode is that like there is the trauma visited upon seven for what is happening to her mind based on what this device can do. But like very little is made of how personally she could or should take this. Right. You know? I mean, we talked at the end of the last episode about the like, are the assimilations that happened when Seven was a drone, her fault directly or not.

And I feel like that would have been an interesting angle. Like one crew member, you know, having some really strong feelings about that or something. Right. Also, like, I don't know if you spotted this, but one of the people that like, whiz by in the like flashback, that you know, the like rubber sole effect

looked a lot like Colonel Keira to me. And I kept like trying to like posit just to see if it was Colonel Keira to me. And I kept like trying to like pause it just to see if it was Colonel Keira because I go, Oh, no, what happened? Well, I mean, by saying that, that's an interesting point too, because if we were to see a familiar Borgs in some way, we would then be able to confirm that these are not images of Borgs that died on that cube or borgs that Seven had personal interactions with this is just a company-wide thing anybody that ever got a said yeah right like if they'd shown Locutus yeah, yeah, you know in this little Micromontage that would have been differently meaningful. Yeah

Like they show a part of LaQutus we haven't seen before. Like really enjoying Wolf 359. Yeah. Like in an unusual way. They show the drill going into the tip of his dick. And the single tear runs down his face like from pleasure. Yeah, a lot of people don't realize that LeCutus was into sounding. Leave the arm and also the other thing. Beverly, while I was in the... there was one unique experience. I wonder if you could help me.

Janeway and two Vox start asking questions about the incidents that happened on the ship and seven doesn't recall these. No. And that is kind of scary. Not only is she suffering from these multiple personalities, she's not remembering that she's doing it. Yeah, she doesn't remember biting BLT. She doesn't remember being the son of Kovac.

Those are other people's experiences. So she's losing them. Janeway signs the doctor to seven as kind of a mind shaperone, I guess mostly to keep her safe, but also to keep everyone safe from her. Right. She's very clearly still a threat. Yeah, I mean, she's got tubules. At any moment, she could start assimilating people. They should do that thing where, you know, if you're a professional football player and you break a finger or something, they put like a club cast on your hand, so that you can keep playing, but you just play with the club. They should have a Borg's club that they can

put over her tubules. Yeah. And dangerous moments like this. It would look like that, that hand hyperbaric chamber that David Duke of Newheres and Zoolander. Exactly. Yeah. So I'm a hand model, Mama. Let's face and body boys who never understand. Meet Luke's catches up to seven in the hallway and he's like, oh, seven, I heard you have multiple personality disorder. What a drag. Anyways, I'm like the morale guy around here.

So if there's anything that I can do to help you or any of the other people in your head feel better, you just say the word. Multiple personalities, you say. Well, there's gotta be a chance that one of them doesn't hate me. He also has a picture of Voyager that Naomi drew for. I wanted to hate this picture, didn't you, but I secretly thought it was rad. Like great picture of the ship. Good color choices. I mean, if seven had a fridge,

it would for sure go up on that fridge, right? Yeah. Do you think the alcove is something you could use magnet on? Like, could you stick Naomi Wildman art on it with a refrigerator magnet? And would it stick? Is the alcove made of a ferrous material?

They realize unintentionally that that's how you destroy a board cube is just many, many refrigerator magnets. Yeah, you're going to think from the perspective of the every state and the union that we've been to. Attack them with a kind of undifferentiated attack them with a kind of undifferentiated scrabble square technique. Yeah, there's no way they can target all of the words in this magnetic poetry kit. Later on, the doc and seven inspect her regeneration refrigerator.

And they find some interruptions in your sleep. This is a lot like looking at your own sleep app. I've been looking a lot at mine lately. I had a bad November. Really? Oh, man. I had a good year, but like a noticeable dip in November. And now I'm pulling back out of it in December.

Trying to think of what major life change happened in November for you. Yeah. Weird, right? What they confirm is that seven has been sleepwalking and sleep logging. Yeah, she walked out of her alcove and went berserk. And she's recorded a whole bunch of personal logs, but they also have records of her going into the mess hall and eating

the meats. So at least that crime has been solved. I'm sure it was to eat like so we really eat the mess hall. We have the ginger. You know what? A lot of people might turn their noses up at the mess hall. Be get five big ginger and cheeses. And there that's a real satisfying meal. Maybe you eat a couple of them there and take a few home for later. It's at Bullwork Wonders for your motion sickness if the inertial dampers ever go off. Yeah, for sure. One of these messages was from the captain of the Starship Pomba. Or maybe it was a crew member of the Tom Baugh,

but she says that the board assimilated that 13 years ago. So, I thought that the D was the first Federation starship to ever encounter the Borgs because of Q. Confirmed, right? But 13 years would have been way, way ahead of that, right? Yeah, I think so. But maybe some ships were lost in ways that they couldn't confirm. Oh, like a deep space gone missing kind of a situation, like an event horizon.

Where she'd been for the last seven years, Dr. that's what we here to find out. Maybe the captain of that ship set auto-destruct because the name of the ship is so dumb. He's just tired of correcting people who said permission to come aboard the Tom Bow. Is it Tom Bow? I can't wait to read the fucking mention. Um, actually the Tom Bow was a great figure in history because of all of these reasons. Where would you even read that mention at this point? I don't know.

Yeah. They're getting mailed to me now. So, stuff going to the mailbox, man. People want to say I'm doing a bad job at this show so badly, they're just sending me mail. They'll find you. Actual mail. Objection audit will do this without you. Do it.

Do it. Objection audit will do this without you. Do it. Do it. Objection noted, we'll do this without you. Do it. Do it. Do it. Do it. So they pull up on this thing in space that's called the Borg vinculum. Yeah.

And the theory is that it's trying to reintegrate seven into the collective. And she's like, well, if that's what it's doing, how about we beam it aboard? So I'm closer. And the captain's like, that sounds risky. Better beam it to the warp core to be extra risky. You remember the best place to do experiments and start check, we've sort of taken some time off from that.

Yeah. But we're back, baby. Yeah. And so beam it aboard the idea, and this thing is grand. It's just really big. It looks about as big as the warp core. Good set piece. It really is. Seven's proximity to this thing is making it even harder for the doc to keep her primary personality in charge. So he's got to like, he's installed like a Frankenstein knob

and a neck and he's got to turn that thing all the way to 11. Does that mean it's louder? Is that any louder? Well, it's one louder, isn't it? Hey Doc, how about you install a second knob? There's plenty of neck real estate there. Oh yeah, like one on the other side

and then he could get it all the way up to 22. That's what I'm saying. Wow. So they go about trying to disable this thing, which I would have thought all you would need is just to shave it. Yeah, they don't do that. No. But they discover that it's got a virus inside of it. The way they start talking about this organism being inside, I was like, if there's a fetus in this fucking thing again, they make another big-budded borgs.

Yeah, yeah. They love seeing those borgs that look like they got a Prius in their pants and this is just one more opportunity. Yeah. Get a load of that board booty. But it's not a fetus. It's a pathogen. Yeah, it was put there by a species that Sevin has encountered before during her time with the Borgs species 30. What is it? 6, 69, 69 or something like that? 6, 3, 39. Nice. One crucial detail that we learn is that this species infected the cube and caused it to explode.

Yeah. This is amazing. It sort of seems like this may have been like a bio-weapon attack on the borgs, but they don't know for sure. And they're going to have to ask them specifically. There's coffee in species 6, 3, 3, 9. They may be able to help us treat you. But in the meantime, seven dips into a

Ferengi personality and wants to start offering bars of platinum for the screen in the ass lab. She's really in a bad way. She's starting to destabilize. And the doctor's like, yeah, I'm not really sure if we're going to be able to keep seven's personality if the others keep bubbling up this fast.

I didn't notice there was such a mid-iclantic accent to Ferengi when they're trying to do deal-making. This is fun. Mine, mine, look at the size of that thing. Yeah, I wondered if they considered looping her dialogue, but putting prosthetic teeth in her mouth for what they recorded with that part, so that she would sound more for Angi.

I mean, yet again, this could be so easily cheesy and bad if the actor asked to perform this way was not giving it 10 out of 10. But like, this is not cheesy and bad. This, this is made to be like, if I were to direct you into a Mark's Brothers impression, but also make it tragic. Yeah. Yeah.

Like, that's what this is. There's a lot of layers to it. There really is. She is really putting on a virtuosic performance in this episode and a way that, you know, I think that like the first two episode arc that she was in really showed that she had a lot of ranges and actor.

And it's nice to see them making stories that take advantage of that. Yeah. So they walk her to six bay with another great camera move around the room, like a really smooth rising and falling and a rotating camera move around the space. That sort of lures seven behind a force field that they put up on her.

For ND7 is feeling pretty deceived here, but then seven actual comes back and they explain what happened, and again, it's totally humiliated. She's been occupied by a lot of Wolf 359 assimilies. Yeah. Which is when you show up to Wolf 359 in a starship and you get assimilated like a person

or as another person and so forth. Right? Yeah. That's much better than a similarities, which is just somebody that's been assimilated that has a lot of foamy milk pouring in with them also. So yeah, that you're going to say is an assimilated tease is like when you don't quite get assimilated. Kind of riding that edge. Oh, yeah. That can be very frustrating, but in a zesty, exciting way. This is a moment where seven, I mean, I never thought this was an inconvenience.

This is clearly a medical problem that is serious and bad. But seven goes really hard into the, I don't think I can do this for much longer. And you know what I mean by that. Right. And I think Janeway here does great counseling work by going, you're a strong person. You can get through anything. I've seen you get through worse. Try to hold out until we can find a cure. Yeah, you know, they find out that the vinculum is just too tricky to shut down. Like the captain walks onto the bridge after this and relates having talked to like a whole bunch

more secret personalities inside seven. This is like one of the first moments of any length with Tricote in the episode. He really barely does anything in this one. This scene kind of grossed me out because they're talking about seven in that way of like, well, I thought she could be a great member of the crew and you thought she was shit. What do you think about this now? And I'm like, guys, maybe you should take this conversation into the ready room. They're like people around here listening to you talk about what you thought of another

crew person before. Yeah. You were able to integrate them into the crew. Harry Kim is like standing back there like, God, if they talk that kind of shit about seven of nine, what are they saying about me? Yeah. Like out in the open. It's wild.

We get one of those scenes where we're bouncing back and forth between BLT's work on the Vinculum and Six Bay, where Seven is twitching in response to all the work that BLT is doing. And the work starts to work on the Vinculum, but Seven starts flopping around super bad and they have to stop BLT's attempt to turn off the vinculum. And by the time we arrive back at seven and six bay, it is just all personalities and not hers. Yeah, the doctor basically time of death this moment. It was like, yeah, we've lost seven. Like she's been totally subsumed by all the other personalities. So bad news guys. It is like an improv class with doors that lock from the outside in here, guys. Can you please turn off my program? Yes. And I really mean you turn off the program. She won't stop. Yes, Andy. She won't stop heightening. I don't know how much higher she can go.

She's exploring the room again. So they have another McLaughlin group. You two say smaller, more intimate McLaughlin group. McLaughlin group. I candle too. So smaller, more intimate McLaughlin group. McLaughlin group, I candlelight. Yeah. They're gonna go try and get help from species 63, 39. But in the meantime, Tuvac wants to try a mind meld on seven.

And at this point, season five of Star Trek Voyager, I'm starting to feel like Tufac is a mind-milled hammer to whom everything looks like a nail. Like, there have been so few problems that he hasn't tried to solve with mind-mails at this point. Do you think he has a thing for lady minds? Specifically, can you remember him melding with a dude? He's never done it, not once.

That's what I'm saying. Yeah, he's a fucking sicko. And what's going on here seems pretty pervy, doesn't it? To the math on this Janeway, get him away from the women of the ship. They don't like two-vax chances because this isn't just a one-on-one meld. This would be a meld where you're getting in there with a lot of minds all at once. And two-vax, like, baby, I'm the best at this. Yeah.

I can deal with it. I'm only going to take out enough to win the meld. Is that something? So they're like, well, let's put a pin in that. We got to go meet these aliens. So they go up on the bridge and the ship is armed to the teeth, the species. And when they start talking to these dudes, they're like backlit, they're in very spooky outfits.

Is that a raincoat? Yes it is. They seem like real dicks in the way that people who have been traumatized by the Borgs often are. Yeah. They really want to talk about Huey Lewis in the news. Most people probably don't listen to the words, but they should. They have antennas that come off like front of their face instead of off the top of their head, so that when the one guy gets up close to the camera,

it like bumps the lens. I really love that part. Yeah. He's definitely a back sleeper, huh? He has to like get out a microfiber cloth and clean it. So, oops, sorry about that. I've got to get that. Not now put your light number, your mouth.

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against the board and it sucks that you beamed a vinculum over here because it was supposed to be just left out there for another cube to find. And then that board cube would blow up and then eventually they would just kind of like one by one take themselves out by beaming their vinculum. Neil Mathen plays this character and he is absolutely bone chillingchilling to me in his performance. Yeah. Somehow by the end of this, I don't know how he got to the point where I utterly believe that he has superior firepower. He has the will of what remains of his people behind him.

They're great sacrifice by volunteering to be infected and then getting themselves assimilated in the process. Like his dark story is creepy, but his force of will in this moment and like his cold way of describing that Janeway is outgunned overmatched and really outthought here. Yeah.

Like there's a confidence that exudes from him that I was just totally taken by. This guy scares the shit out of me. Well, fortunately, this makes a really lasting impression on Janeway who never again underestimates a species that has been all but eliminated and their willingness to do almost anything to get revenge on the species that they blame for that.

When you put it like that, he is like so many other species, but I like Neil Maffin's version. Yeah, I also really like the costume. The loaf is kind of like standard issue. We need a new hailey on this week loaf, but the costume is really neat. It's got like tubes of neon light and like, you know, there's the clear outer layer and the lights blinking under it and stuff. I really thought that was neat. Yeah, we should see if one of them

everyone up for auction and who won it. I don't have that website open anymore. I had to close a lot of tabs and my computer was slowing down. I think we could probably make an assumption about who won that one and what ended up happening. He was stating the obvious again. Back in 6-B7 is fourth of moment feeling like yourself and this came as a shock to me. Yeah. I thought this is impossible.

Rumors of 7s being subsumed by all the other personalities have been greatly exaggerated. Yeah. She's just back. I guess they like did another damping field. She's back just long enough for them to ask for her consent about the Mindmeled idea. Yeah, which is important because they don't want this to come across as a third act of undiscovered country situation. Right. Where is the peace conference? Ah!

Do you want it to be more of a like, Picard and Seric situation? Sure. Picard and John has been kept. The chances of success are pretty low of fixing seven, and the chances of hurting two-vac irreparably are pretty high. So seven's like, do it. Ha ha ha ha ha.

Have we ever seen somebody mind-melded that was like strapped to the bed. Yeah. Yeah, don't love that look. Yeah, pretty, pretty terrifying. So he starts melding her and she's like writhing and then he's in the rubber sole, board nightmare. And trying to find his way around and it's really crowded in there. All of these different characters. And it's like eight quad species and D quad species.

There's bains in there, there's bejorins. There's like anybody you can think of is represented. The loaf budget on this episode was totally out of control. They clear the costume and make up department here. Yeah, it's really great. I think I saw some of those dino species guys like that. It evolved from dinosaurs.

Yeah. It's a wild. Yeah, really cool. I didn't see that one guy from Star Trek Prodigy that we were obsessed with though. The that board with the huge chin and the horns on his head. Or stack of dinner plates, Borgs.

I like that guy. Right. Yeah, Where's that guy? Yeah. No. It is a real riot scene. Like they're pawing a two-vac. Yeah. They're pawing at seven. They can't get to each other. Kind of shocking that the Borgs would assimilate the Videans, right?

Yeah. Is that just for their technology? Because it's like your cultural distinguishments is basically dog shit if you're a Videan. But I guess that would be helpful for the Borgs, right? You also need to assimilate the gross. Like they're a part of the universe too. Right, yeah. The Borg are really open-minded when it comes to the gross.

Yeah. Members of the gross community. There is very little change to what a Borgs cube smells like after you assimilate Videon. There's a really upsetting scene where there's like a little girl in here that's like, I want my mommy and I don't like it here. And Tuva has to like ignore her and not help her because he's trying to get to seven. But you know, it's crowded and people are like holding him back and taking her away and then like, he's like throwing people off ledges in there. It doesn't, to me, make a very convincing case that TuVoc is actually doing anything.

Because we cut away from this to the outside and there's like a, there's a space banal going on between BC's 69, 69 and the Voyager. And so there's like bangers getting dropped on the ship and then it'll cut down to engineering and BLT will be working on this new damping field that seems to be working better than whatever they tried before to turn off the Vinculum. And that seems to like pretty much do all of the lifting

in terms of getting Seventh's personality back, you know? Like did you get the sense that TuVac helped? Not really, because they don't find each other until the crowd disappears. Yeah, everybody dangerous has vanished by the time TuVac and Seventh find each other. There's like a simultaneity to the solutions to both problems that make me believe that it's really BLT that made this moment possible. It is a big relief when all of the aliens disappear and the tunnel vision lens kind of dissipates and they find each other.

Yeah. It seems like seven is going to be a-okay. Her processor is stable okay. Her processors stable now. Her personality is back. Behold, she's like, well, the Vinkulums useless. You want to chuck it out the window? Jane was like, yes. Lockout to the death. Beaming into space. Yeah. Turns out that's all the bad guys wanted this episode. I don't even care that it's off. I think they're going to be pissed to get a non-working Vinculum back. Yeah. Yeah. Like, didn't their entire plan depend on a working Vinculum? Yeah, but

for the age of her makes no warranties on their eBay channel. I wonder if we're going to have to worry about these guys. No. There they go, making more enemies on their way back home like we jumped forward 10 years in our trip and we're already completely in the wrong At the first species we meet Why do I keep doing this? That the board were way behind them, but yeah, not so in the button on the episode Jane way tells us that Seven has spent a week in regeneration

and her legs have got to be stiff. Yeah, man. Could you imagine? Seven is like, I appreciate the help of the crew, but if I could prevail upon you for one more thing, could you please make my charging pad? A bed. At least give me one of those standing mats. That's it. The people looking at receipts outside of Costco use to make their shift more bearable. It's like, I don't really want to prove to you that I bought this stuff, but also you may have

the worst job I can think of. Because every single person you interact with all day long is an asshole to you in the way that I am tempted to be an asshole to you. So in the alcove, the doc pronounces seven cured of all the voices. She's fit to return to duty. Those voices are still in her. She's just not going to be bothered by them any longer. Right. And then seven in returning to work gets pursued by Naomi Wildman again. But this time, you know, with a slightly more explicit overture. And so seven is really making pals. She's going to teach Naomi Wildman about sociology. She's going to teach her about

star charts. It's going to be great. This script wants you to believe that this is a nice moment for Seven and that she wants to be friends with a kid so that her personality can bloom a little more. But the moment leading up to this is like Seven trying to piece together how gratitude works for a crew that was willing to sacrifice everything to save her life. If I were a crew person and I saw her fucking around with a kid like playing board games or whatever, I'd be so pissed. Get in the ass live and make yourself useful. Yeah. Earn my thanks. Wow, Adam. Really charitable of you.

Yeah. Yeah. She wants to learn Kadaskap from Naomi Wildman. What is that like Vulcan Connect 4 basically? It looks like upscale Connect 4. Yeah. Like, you know how you can buy really fancy Scrabble? Oh, yeah.

This is like really fancy Connect 4. Like, the raw materials is like really fancy connect for like the raw materials been are really nice. I was visiting some friends in New York and we were in a vacation rental in the Hamptons and we went into the Goop Store. Mainly to laugh at the existence of the Goop Store. Did they have a Scrabble board that smelled like a vagina? They had like the wood, you know, hand-made Scrabbleboard for $200. And I was like, looking at the $200 Scrabbleboard and the salesperson came around and said, hmm, love the price point on this. And started trying to sell

me the Scrabbleboard based on how expensive it was. Whoa. Like as a positive. Yeah, yeah. You know, we wish we could make it more expensive, but we actually feel like this is very attractive for most people. I mean, when you're the salesperson at the Goop store in the Hamptons,

I think that that's a pretty safe assumption. Damn. About your clientele, so yeah, I've never stopped thinking about that though. So how does it play? Does it play the same as regular scrabble? Yeah, it's dope and it does in fact smell like pussy. You get a pronounce you words with an underplate. Did you like this episode Adam?

You know, probably the easiest to get along with post-review time. But I don't like bollocks and I don't like bullets and I don't like friends and I don't like you. I'm just joking. Bingo, Ben, I get to redraw my tails. Ha, ha, ha. I like this episode for Jerry Ryan, a great deal. Yeah.

As an episode, you really have to get with and believe that, I mean, this is another one of those choices, like, could we destroy the Borg forever in this moment? Or do we save seven? Right. And I feel like that moment of truth slides by pretty fast, right? Normally, there's like the camera racks in on the captain and she's like, this is the hardest call I've ever had to make, but I'm choosing seven. Like, it's not articulated like that at all.

Yeah. And so I think you kind of miss the stakes a little bit. Right. And I wonder if the episode isn't better if there is a underline and a bunch of arrows and some highlighting done to the choice. Mm-hmm. I think you'll like drawn over the choice. Mm-hmm. A vinculum like drawn over the choice.

Yeah. Yeah, so in that way, it felt lower stakes than it actually was, at least in my mind. Yeah, because I kind of tossed off reference to species 63, 39 as the bad guys. And like nobody is more aligned with the wishes of the Federation than them, right? I guess the Federation probably would think twice

about, well, would they, I mean, like there's the debate, right? Like, I don't want to act like there isn't a controversy. Teach the controversy. You've always said that. There's the Commander Shelby's of the world that would xenoside the Borgs. And then there's other people shell bees of the world that would zeno side the morgues and then there's other people that are like maybe that would be bad. I like that kind of start track conversation and they don't have that here. Yeah. Yeah. I mean and seven is such an interesting opportunity too. Like they they gloss over it like yeah she's now an individual we

liberated her and they're like well we don't care about the idea that that could be done for the 11 billion members of our species that were lost. I feel like as a Star Trek fan, I was grabbed by the scruff of the neck and told like, that's not the important thing this episode. This other thing is the important thing this episode.

And like made to agree. Yeah. That's an interesting point. I really grew that out. I think that's the take on this episode. That's the official greatest gen take on this episode. Wow, I never have those. No, you do it all the time, buddy.

Don't sell yourself short. Good job by me. Yeah, great job by you. Well, I think we got a couple of takes waiting for us on the priority one inbox Ben you want to see what those are? Let's do it Priority one message from star fleet coming in on secured channel Supplement Supplement

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Yeah, I like that idea quite a bit. This is, of course, not to be confused with Cannell Cass, which is a part case about Steven J. Cannell and all of his great TV writing work. You know, what I've been thinking of doing is making sort of a sidecar podcast to the Stephen J. Cannell cast, which is just a background noise sound

of Stephen J. Cannell typing on his typewriter. Like before he tears the paper off and throws it onto the pile. Yeah. Just a 72 hour loop to help you get new a flow state. It's not nearly as good as Connell Cast, which is what this is, which is what we've been paid to talk about. Yeah, I think that you do much better to stick with Connell Cast

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Wow. This is the only time we'll have landmark birthdays in the same year. And guys, I want to drink about it. Let's drink about it. Can you suggest a cocktail to pair with this once in our Lifetime's event? Adam, you can tag in for Chris since I realize

this is actually a different podcast. Ha ha ha ha ha. Well, I'm gonna suggest sex on the beach Oh Wait, you didn't ask for the worst possible drink You caught me Sam. I went for the joke drink. Yeah, I'm thinking seriously about what this should be now I feel like as an 18-year-old, I think we're gonna assume legal drinking age

wherever you are at 18. Right. I was drinking straight trash at 18. So I think if you're trying to raise them right, what evidence do we have that doubt-furious is trying to raise them right, though? Oh, you know what, that's true. Yeah.

So we definitely want something that tastes good and is extra sweet. Doubt't fear is is not just a fan of the greatest generation, but also let's drink about it. That, you know, I think tells us a lot about this person's personality. Can I tell you on my 21 run, maybe the only drink I remember having was a surfer on acid. Whoa. And that is a, that's a really delicious drink I feel like for your beginning drinker. Yeah, okay. I'm gonna look up the ingredients. I've never heard of this beverage before.

He got a recipe. So a surfer on acid is... Yager. Coconut rum. And pineapple juice. Wow. It's just so crazy, it might work. Yeah.

I remember it being delicious, and that's about all I remember about that particular drink. I guess that would make you father of the year. Yeah, kidding. If you weren't able to make that one. Perfect suggestion, Adam, if you were able to make that one perfect suggestion at him no notes Come on man, you made let's drink about it. You have to have a wreck

The groany subagliato with Prosecco instead of gin Progeny is gonna fucking hate that When was the first time you had a bitter cocktail? I was probably 40 when I had my first bitter cocktail. Oh, that's too bitter. I don't know if you know this about me, Adam, but I've a long standing affinity for bitter flavors. You've been 40 for decades. I was, that's 41 I was born.

Yeah. Wow, Happy Birthday, you two. Yeah. That's really awesome. And great to hear from, uh, from doubt furious. doubt furious. Been with us for a long time. Yeah.

Yeah. Almost 18 years now. Yeah. Ben our final priority one message is from an end. And it is to Ben and Adam. The message goes like this. I am writing to support TGG and also to note a specific time code Shimoda. In Voyager Season 5 Episode 7, 32 minutes, 7 seconds to 32 minutes, 25,

when the alien walked toward the camera and we saw the crazy coat hanger antenna, I laughed out loud. That of course was after we already saw their crazy neon light outfits. Yeah. I hope you had the same reaction. Love the pod. Yeah. I think on end is right. The American psycho raincoats were, I mean, filled with neon and even better look.

Yeah. I loved them. That antenna was nuts and the way that they shot the antenna especially big fan of that. A big surprise because you can't see them when they're standing back in the frame. So it's like they shot it as if it were going to be a 3D movie that it didn't end up becoming. Yeah, it's like rewatching the original Avatar film to get ready for the exciting second installment Avatar the way of water and being like, like what why is this movie look like this? Oh it's a 3d movie. Yeah we as a film going society didn't get over that by then. Wow well if you'd like to get a priority on

message on the show do it before you get over it by heading to maximumfun.org slash jumbo tron. Hey, Ben, what's that Adam? Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? Drunk Shimoda! This is a timecode Shimoda Adam. If you go to 32 minutes and seven seconds, when the alien walks toward the camera and we see this crazy coat hanger antenna I laughed out loud that of course was after we already saw their crazy neon light outfits. I hope you had the same reaction Indeed a nand Yeah, that guy's hard to be yeah, I mean I was very effusive in my praise if that actor earlier I just that character thought they were the star of this episode in the best possible

way. Totally, totally. Good stuff. How about you? Did you have a, a charmote? Is that yours? Yeah, I'm going to take that too. Wow.

Can't do better than that. I mean, look, I think the obvious choice is Jerry Ryan. Right. But I also do not believe this was particularly fun to do. Yeah. I think because of the degree of difficulty, like you never want to look foolish as an actor. Right.

And I think if you're reading this, you're like, I got to do little kid and cling on, horny cling on specifically. And like all of these characters, what are the chances that I don't have the grasp of one of these? And what are the chances that that one is gonna be the clanger that brings down the episode?

This doesn't seem fun to do, and I think it's kind of a, I'm not gonna say it's a miracle because Jerry Ryan is fucking talented, and she's good enough to carry an episode in this way. I can't imagine it was a comfortable enough to carry an episode in this way. Yeah. I can't imagine it was a comfortable feeling to move through your work this episode and feel like, is today the day I blow the episode because I just can't quite do a plausible

little girl voice without sounding unintentionally funny, you know? There was that episode early on where the Videon split BLT into her human half and her cling on half. And I remember- And we had very similar thoughts about that, right? Yeah, and I think we even read something by Roxanne Dawson about feeling really nervous about splitting her character into like that. And I wonder if it feels the same or really different

because like two specific sides of one character that you've already played a bunch feels really different from like 15 different characters that are totally different from the one you already play. But both super intimidating acting challenges, I can imagine. I've got a quote here that could help elude state this whole thing. What? We don't usually do this, but here's what Jerry Ryan said about her work this episode. Infinite regress was a challenge on a lot of different levels.

It would have been a challenge anyway if you had two or three weeks to prepare for it, but I didn't. I had no research time. Wow. I was doing it by the seat of my pants. They were throwing tapes at me from episodes of Deep Space Nine that had forengies in them so that I could at least watch how they move and how they talk. They were throwing Klingon tapes at me because really the only Klingon I had encountered was BLT. And that doesn't count because she's only half Klingon. Yeah.

She joked at the end. I was about ready to murder Brandon Braga for writing so many pages of is a forangi. Oh, maybe we should just end those quotes there. Yeah. Wow. What a, what a quote. But a amazing job by her, especially under the circumstances, you know, we didn't even talk about how little time there must have been to prepare for something like this. But yeah, you were saying great stuff. I think maybe off mic that like this part of this season was shot super out of order. Like the episodes didn't come out in the order that they were shot. So it must have been a really chaotic time to be on set.

Yeah, yeah. Well, cheers to her for really shining under that kind of pressure. We had to find out about the next episode though, Adam, and that is season five of episode eight, nothing human. When an alien attaches itself to Belana's nervous system, the doctor enlists the help of a holographic recreation of an expert.

Ha ha, esato! Ha ha of expert are we talking about here? The only way to remove this parasite is jacking off. A way to force the mind. Oh boy, Ben, I'm over at the game of buttholes, the will of the caretaker to find out how we will be experiencing the next episode. Our runabout is currently on Square 11 smack dab in between a the caretaker square. Don't have to worry about that. That's behind us. The one directly ahead, one square ahead specifically, Coco No no. Well, it's a good thing you almost never rolled one, Zadam. You're required to learn as you play, Role.

See what I roll this time. Ben, I've rolled a three. Whoa! Chula! Did I win? I'll win. Which is hopped us over the Coco Nono Square onto a regular old square 14.

Okay, okay. Just managing to avoid all of the debris on our game. Yeah. Cruising right along. It's the illusion of safety. It's really nice. Yeah. We're living like, you know, like the board game right now

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