The Greatest Generation - Shampoo Holocaust (DS9 S5E13)

Episode Date: November 11, 2019

When the Captain goes undercover in the Star Trek caves, it’s finally time for him to toast one of his enemies. But when the pillow fight of arguments takes an ugly turn, a badly damaged Defiant is ...the only ship Starfleet can use to stop the Mayquees. Does the Bajoran Militia offer paid maternity leave? What would Dr. Freud say about the symbolism of firing on one’s own hologram? Do Michael Eddington and Norah Satie shop at the same stores? It’s the episode where we go back for the jokes because we accidentally categorized our show as comedy. 🖖GET TICKETS TO GREATEST GEN KHAN II: STAR TREK III🖖 Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Prophets! Support the production of The Greatest Generation.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Priority 1 message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Hey friends of Disodo. Before today's episode, we just wanted to take a moment to talk about the historic labor actions being taken by writers and actors in the American Film and Television industry. If you're a fan of the work done by the people who make Star Trek, we hope you'll join us in standing in solidarity with the folks who actually bring these adventures to life. Over the past several years, the AMPTP, the organization that represents the American Film and Television Production Studios, have reduced the profit from movies and TV going to workers. And in so doing,
Starting point is 00:00:35 they've attempted to weaken the labor unions that represent those workers. They wouldn't even engage the unions on many issues in their negotiations. And so a strike was the only course of action to take. Adam, Wendy and I have been having a lot of internal discussions about how best to stand with the unions and we are continuing those conversations in a dynamic situation. We're doing our best to understand where the picket lines are in these digital spaces,
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Starting point is 00:01:25 in good faith with the unions. It provides financial support for writers, actors, and all the thousands of laborers who make the shows that we talk about here and without whom we wouldn't have Star Trek to cast pot about. Those folks are all out of work because billionaires, company shareholders, and the executives of these companies don't want to compromise on the length of their yachts. We hope you'll join us in supporting entertainment workers in a challenging time, especially after they've already endured several years of challenges brought on by the pandemic
Starting point is 00:01:55 and season two of Star Trek Picard. We've set up a page where you can also contribute. It's at friendsofdecotoforlabor.com. That's friendsofdecotoforlabor.com. That's friendsofdisotoforlabor.com. Link in the episode description. Okay, now let's get on with the show. Here's to the finest crew the world. Command of Benjamin, says great, better is the star-based, deep space nine. Welcome to the greatest generation, deep space nine. The Star Trek podcast by a couple of guys who are a little bit embarrassed to have a Star Trek podcast.
Starting point is 00:02:39 I'm Adam Pranika. I'm Ben Harrison. We're here. We're podcasting. Get used to it. I don't know if we can appropriate that safely. I think people will tell us if we can't. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:01 Whether or not it's actually true. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Ben or not it's actually true. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Ben. Wow. Adam, we have hit some pretty impressive download numbers lately, consistently higher numbers than we have, than we ever have before. I don't know if I want to be too specific about it,
Starting point is 00:03:18 but it's bunkers. Where are you? Where are you beginning the measurement? From the center of the anus. Right. All the way up to the very last download, huh? Yeah, but it's really nice that I don't know, it seems like we got some new people coming on board to the show and that's really cool.
Starting point is 00:03:38 You want to feel like you're growing? Yeah, it doesn't feel good to look at stagnant or falling download numbers. I've always thought we wanted the show's success to resemble the hockey stick graph of global warming. As the earth's surface increases in temperature, so do our download numbers. Yeah, it gives me great comfort. It does, it's nice. It's nice that something so cataclysmics that can be linked inextricably to our success. Oh no, are you saying that there's a causal relationship there?
Starting point is 00:04:18 Yeah, well, I don't know. We need to ask people to stop downloading the show immediately. I don't know if people realize this, but to power our laptops that we used to record the show on we each go outside and light a barrel of fuel oil on fire. Yeah. And the warmth of that is where we derive our energy from. Very few Star Trek podcasts are fueled by bunker oil.
Starting point is 00:04:42 Mm-hmm. Yet ours are. Mm-hmm. We're like a container ship show. Yeah. We're trying to maximize both carbon emissions and particulate emissions. Getting a bunch of those in my basement studio.
Starting point is 00:04:58 Lots of emissions these days. Yeah. Yeah. Is that because your diet has changed to accommodate dairy? Oh yeah. I'm eating it all now, Ben. Are you ripping a lot more ass? Yeah, things are really moving. Gasses, solids, liquids, fun, fire. So you've just, I mean, I think that that's, I mean, I think that that's, I mean, like, I don't know, I wonder, like our buddy, Jesse Thorn, the boss of MaximumFund.org, he suffers from migraines, and there's a whole list of foods that he can eat, like chocolate and raw onions, because they're migraine triggers.
Starting point is 00:05:40 But also, Jesse to get in raw onions. Yeah, and even better when they're together. But just to get my grains all the time, I'm wondering if he could just enjoy his... What if he pivoted into a more chocolate and raw onion-based lifestyle? Oh, yeah. I don't know. I don't mean into it. Maybe he should make his body an ecosystem where a headache would not want to take form. Go live somewhere else, migraine. This body's not for you. Poisoned by onions and Hershey kisses.
Starting point is 00:06:18 But both of you have fairly debilitating deals and you seem to have. Well, you seem to have just kind of resigned yourself to it recently, I would say. One thing that happened to us recently is that we were doing a more Airbnb VRBO type of touring. Yes. And this often asks us to share a bathroom situation. Yes.
Starting point is 00:06:51 It's, it seems to me like a fair amount of confidence by you that we'll be able to hold this thing together as we continue touring. Yeah. Well, I think that, I think that I think that the exprage charmota policy that Rob is not allowed to poop well on tour is going to be one of the main things that holds the center. Yeah. I think one thing I learned from the great John Gabris, also a famous poopman from back in the day is that even if you're not staying in a hotel, oftentimes you may poop in one.
Starting point is 00:07:31 Yes, that's true. Hotels the safe harbor of poopers the world over. Yeah, and so even if we're not staying in a hotel throughout much of our touring, I find that if I need to, I'll make them available for that kind of thing. Yeah. I'll be fine. Don't worry. Don't worry at all.
Starting point is 00:07:52 I'm not worried. People are very scandalized by bathrooms. And I say just get over it, you know. Go in there, do your thing, get out. Look at me, I've made a major part of my identity that even strangers ask me about after shows. So, maybe my life can be an example to others. They're strangers to you, but you're not a stranger
Starting point is 00:08:15 to them, Adam. That's it. We are not on equal footing. No, it's an asymmetric, parasocial relationship. That's what that's called. People would do right to remember that. Yeah, hard to remember, but worth it. Yeah. Well, it has been easy to forget about one major character on Deep Space 9th Venn. It comes back in a big time way on this episode. Lieutenant Toast. I'm Lieutenant Commander Michael Eddington, Starfleet Secure. TOOLS MAN!
Starting point is 00:08:52 Yeah. Second Lieutenant, he's really second Lieutenant Toast. Yeah, he's private Toast. And he's great. Let's get into it, Ben. I want to talk about Eddington as we discuss deep space 9 season 5 episode 13 For the unaformed Of course you don't this is a fun
Starting point is 00:09:23 No, of course you don't. This is a fun, it's not quite in media race. I guess, though I suppose it is, like we're dropped into a mission that Cisco is on. He's undercover. Yeah, undercover in the Star Trek caves. There are Fuji's, sleeping and sleeping bags on the floors. A lot of welding and, you know, oil cans with fires in them that kind of look like the oil drums that we used to power this program. It's clear that the make-weez...
Starting point is 00:09:54 Make-weez? Raiders are constructed using angle grinders. That's fun. Yeah. Cisco is here looking for Singtah, an informant who's going to tell him about where to find Eddington. And he asks an old man who is doing something sparky. Looking for a friend of mine.
Starting point is 00:10:15 Where you can find Singtah. And the guy indicates at a very theatrical looking set of curtains that Cisco walks through, only to have a Klingon disruptor stuck in the back of his head. Throw it on the ground. Talk about a big surprise. I think he was expecting a Japanese restaurant behind those curtains. He's not the case. No. He was not handed a warm washcloth to wipe his hands with. He was handed a phaser to the dome.
Starting point is 00:10:43 Which is a bit, you know, like I understand that it's a little bit hard to keep cultural differences distinct when you grow up in New Orleans and you're not necessarily super familiar with all the different cultures of Asia, but a singahai is a tie beer and beer. And it's unlikely to be in a Japanese restaurant. It's true. But in the 24th century, I mean, there's probably been. God, that was just the longest fucking walk of all time for the most mediocre butter.
Starting point is 00:11:16 I had it in the back of my head too. I just didn't go back for it. I'm glad you did. We pulled over the pod car. You got out. Listen, there are not that many jokes on this show, but we categorized it as comedy. We got to go get it. We got to. The podcast did not strap down what was in the bed of the truck. Yeah, it's like when you see a couch cushion on the side of the highway. You know, whoever's using a couch cushion on the side of the highway
Starting point is 00:11:47 cannot exactly afford to replace their couch. Yeah, you had to go back for that joke. You had to wait for the traffic to pass. Yeah. Run out of the road and go get it. That's what you did. The best part about that joke is going back and discussing the joke
Starting point is 00:12:03 in a little segment we like to call behind the joke. Oh, Cisco is there to dispense Starfleet Justice, but Ben, the tables have been turned. Yeah, you know, Eddington, he's always a couple of chis moves ahead. And Singtah did not make it to the Star Trek caves. He had a bit of a shuttle accident, you know, shuttle on the way to the conference, most dangerous place that you can be. Yeah, should know better. And apparently he's been marooned on some horrible setty alpha-five type planet and has been doomed to a slow death that nobody seems to ever think to go try and rescue him from.
Starting point is 00:12:50 Ooh, that is dark. Yeah, I mean, Cisco, Cisco, like the thing about Cisco in this episode is how single minded he is, to the exclusion of this poor guy, meridon this planet, who was an agent for them, an agent for Cisco. Like, he's being, he's being punished. Right. Yeah. It's not right. You can't leave a man in the field like that, Cisco. Eddington makes the case like the make-weezer not killers.
Starting point is 00:13:21 We didn't, we didn't murder Singta, we just marooned him. There's slow killers. We didn't murder Singta, we just marooned him. They're slow killers. Right. And that's a bit rich given the strategy that Eddington pursues later in the episode. But perhaps I'm getting ahead of myself. When the Mayquise punner someone they go low and slow. As in low gravity and slow death. They're the Franklin barbecue of killers. Cisco and Eddington do that verbal joust where they argue about whose fault it is that all these refugees are there. And Cisco's position is that to promise these refugees that they're getting their homes back is deceptive. And Eddington's position is that the reason they don't have homes at all is it starfleets fault.
Starting point is 00:14:10 Here's my question, Adam. Do either of these men think they are going to convince the other? No. No, this is a pillow fight of arguments. It really is. It is so pointless. Like, I could see doing this like televised, you know, so that the at-home audience can form their decision. But having a private conversation like this
Starting point is 00:14:32 just seems like pretty worthless. Eddington is not going to convince Cisco and vice versa. So that's, I don't know, it just seemed like it was like there to kill time, you know. Or to remind us about who Eddington is for the new viewer or casual viewer. Right. And basically he is Fiji Franchka. He is a... This is not a 30 years, this is a war crime. You took these people home away from them and you never give it back. Yeah, it's just not getting through to Cisco. And it's not getting through to Eddington.
Starting point is 00:15:04 No. They're at, uh, they're at logger jams. Yeah, it's just not getting through to Cisco. And it's not getting through to Eddington. No. They're at, they're at Lagerjams. That's what that word is, right? Yeah, let's go fix the cable, Adam. Yeah. The scene ends with Eddington beaming away and then Cisco speed beaming after him.
Starting point is 00:15:24 Up to the little D, where it appears that Kira does not get any maternity leave. Which is very unfair, I think. Well, she's not raced, she's not suckling the child. I think there are physical things that happen to a new mother that require a little bit of R&R after, wouldn't you agree? We do not know how long after the last episode this takes place.
Starting point is 00:15:46 And I would argue it might be months after because... Hey man, Kira might have had to get that big snip. You need some time to recuperate after that one. No, she was super chilled out when she had the baby. She did not get the big snip. All right. But I'm... You say so.
Starting point is 00:16:02 we had the baby, she did not get the big snip. All right. But I'm, I'm just saying like, like the other evidence that I will cite is that Odo appears a few times in this episode and is not like, hey, isn't it fucking amazing that I'm a changeling again? Like, it goes uncommented on,
Starting point is 00:16:22 it is like it never happened. And that, It feels oddly bodily. Besides the inclusion of Eddington, this is a very self-contained story here. Yeah, so I kind of think that at Odo has like had a lot of time to get used to the fact that he's back to normal.
Starting point is 00:16:37 For a while, I was just stuck as that eagle. For weeks. How it doesn't come back all at once. It takes time and effort. I was in physical therapy and I may tell you, it's not an instantaneous process. The one thing you don't want in your quarters when you're an eagle is a leather couch. Believe me, I ruined a lot of good furniture that week. My talons and my cloaca really made short work of that thing.
Starting point is 00:17:14 I won't cast any more extras on that couch ever again. Put it that way. Go to cut to a cut. Go to cut. Go to cut to a cut. So, we get some brand new tech here in this scene, Ben. On the bridge of the little D, they have unveiled the hollow emitter as a way to talk to Captain 90's dad of the USS Molence. This Captain does not seem thrilled to be involved in this chase for Eddington. What happened
Starting point is 00:17:43 is Eddington got the jump. He beamed away so fast that the little D can't close the distance, so they're having to call on whatever other ship is in the sector to cut him off. Right. The Linchets is controlling the demilitarized zone, and so they're going to be able to get there ahead of the little D. But yeah, they're rolling out this new technology that is super new to all these people who, I guess, wouldn't know that it used to be standard install on every starship before Captain Pike ordered it ripped out of the Enterprise.
Starting point is 00:18:20 Yeah, it's true. Doesn't anyone read their history books? Yeah. You know, those who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it Are you predicting a moment in time where they rip out the hollow emitters? From the little D. Oh maybe yeah, now one will communicate using good old-fashioned fuse frames It seems like the most solid technology on the little D at this point though. What you need is a loyal Get someone there there to bite the hollow emitters off the little D at this point though. Which you need as a oil, get someone there to bite the hollow emitter as after the little D. Oh, that's the oil! Oh, yeah, but then sometimes you can transmit diseases to the ship and that's not it.
Starting point is 00:18:57 Yeah, it's... What we're trying to do in this episode is get the virus out of the ship, Adam. That's right. Because once they close the distance, there's the, the Milinche sort of cuts off Eddington, and then the little D cuts him off from the other side. Yeah, and as soon as they... It's a cancer action that they perform. As soon as they pull up short,
Starting point is 00:19:19 it's virus time on the little D. Yeah, this fucking ship computer is full of Sabo. Hence the word Sabo. The Sabo have been repopulating. Did you notice that Cisco's soup thermos is a little bit different in this episode? Yeah. It's like a black thermos instead of a silver thermos now.
Starting point is 00:19:41 Eddington licks some real shots on Little D. And because he also has hollow, hollow technology. He's like, Hey, I'm in a guerrilla war, but I want all the nicest gadgets on my ship. I've always wanted to know it would be like to shoot myself. And so he's, and so it's a weird scene, right? He's on the ship that he's shooting and he's talking shit to Cisco. Yeah, and he is talking shit to Cisco. And he is really riling up Ben Cisco. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:20:09 Cisco's pissed. It's not over between us. He is about to be very pissed because the little D is so crippled in this interaction that it must be toad home. Yeah. Which is like the greatest insult for a Starfleet captain. Yeah. You don't want the tow job.
Starting point is 00:20:25 Especially Cisco who had a hand in constructing this ship, you know, like that's very personal. It is, isn't it? Like it kind of like, it didn't really seem to be commented on by any of the characters, but I kind of feel like that is intentional. Like that's part of, like they wrote it so that it would make him, like what would make him the maddest?
Starting point is 00:20:49 Sort of like kidnapping Jake or whatever. Yeah, great point. Back on DS9, we're given the realization that the little DS been so damaged that it'll take two weeks of work to get it functional again. They got the boys down at the crime lab working in sheaths. Yeah, this is a extremely long refractory period for the little D. Right. And the other bad news is that is the captain of the Malenke
Starting point is 00:21:19 delivers to Cisco is that he's been taken off Eddington duty by Starfleet Command. to Cisco is that he's been taken off Eddington duty by Starfleet Command. I get it. It makes total sense. This is what makes the scene great is that Cisco get it too. It's the classic cop movie trope of, like you're taking this too personally,
Starting point is 00:21:39 we're not gonna put you on the case. And like, like what always happens in those movies, Adam? The cop finds a way to get back on the case. And like, like what always happens in those movies, Adam? The cop finds a way to get back on the case. Yeah, the cop like gives his gun in his badge to the captain and goes rogue. Mm-hmm. And that is where Cisco is headed, but not before he goes and has a super outrageous boxing scene
Starting point is 00:22:07 where Dax is holding the heavy bag while Cisco enumerates all of his many failures W. Slash R slash T Eddington He's just a man like me BAH! And he beat me! This is such a generous scene for an actor. I Went to look to make sure that Avery Brooks didn't direct it. This seems like out of nowhere. This is, but this is what Avery Brooks is best at, right?
Starting point is 00:22:32 Like going to 11, like grabbing the scene and just 12 and a half in this scene. And just tearing it down around him. Oh my God. He's terrifying. And just like he's dripping with sweat. Like I was like, like sincerely worried for Terry Farrell that he was gonna like punch through the bag and hurt her.
Starting point is 00:22:56 The intensity of this scene can't be overstated. It is, he is really hitting a heavy bag. Terry Farrell is really holding it, and that is real sweat. I think she does a great job of matching him, too. Yeah. Like, he's going fucking crazy, and she's flipping shit right back at him in a way that I thought was great. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:18 It's good you're working it on in the bag Benjamin. Who? He's never been taken off of an assignment. Like, that's part of it. There's a lot of things going on in his head. It's the failure of having not been able to apprehend Eddington. It's the being rotated out of a mission
Starting point is 00:23:34 that he felt was his responsibility. It's a failure on a number of levels. And what it kind of reminds me of is Picard's freakout in first contact? Yeah, the heavy bag of Cisco's little ships. Like, Eddington's having pulled his pants down so spectacularly is the signature failure of his career in the way that being Locutus is for Picard.
Starting point is 00:24:01 No! Sysco knows that he fucked up, but he's not wrong, right? He says he got played. He said he made some mistakes, like he didn't see what was right in front of him. These are things that you and I have said are foundational traits for Captain Sysco up until now. He is too trusting.
Starting point is 00:24:24 Right. He is too blinded by the uniform. Like, it's the Calhudson problem all over again. Right. I think on last episode you made the crack that this was going to be about Calhudson, and I think that this would have been maybe an even more interesting episode if they had taken it in that direction. Yeah, it would have been cool. Because the betrayal that Eddington did was professional, but Kell Hudson's betrayal was professional and personal because they were friends. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:01 Yeah, and Cisco's reaction to that kind of, to that kind of betrayal feels like what he's doing here. Like, if this is how he's responding to an Eddington double-cross, I honestly can't imagine what he would do if this Recal Hudson on the other side. Unpossible to imagine him going crazier than this. Yeah. And it is just like a relentless series of ball kicks because they come out of this and Cisco is still drenched in sweat when he finds out that Eddington has genocided a Cardassian colony. I was very distracted by the sweat.
Starting point is 00:25:38 I'll tell you. Like I was like at what point is he going to change his uniform and shower and it is several scenes later that that happens. I ain't even wiping my sweat, it's keeping me cool. This is a interesting piece of tech that we are given knowledge of here. Eddington has used a bio-weapon on a planet full of cardacians and he has created this weapon out of ingredients that he stolen from transport ships. Right.
Starting point is 00:26:07 It's the neutron bomb of clearing out the cardacians in a way that will not affect humans that want to go take over the planet. Yeah. A question. These bolean freighters that he raided for this stuff contain selenium, which everyone knows is the active ingredient of head and shoulder shampoo. That's how you beat the aliens in evolution, the classic David Dukovny film. Haven't you noticed how shiny and flake-free are hairs?
Starting point is 00:26:32 I love that movie. I only brown it up because I want to use the drops. Fun. Yeah. So the Malenke is the only, like a classic Star Trek thing is like how many ships are in the fleet? Well, basically none. So. Well, 359 really wiped him out, Ben. Come on. So the Malinke has is not going to be able to do this patrol. And the little D is shredded, but they're going to take her out
Starting point is 00:27:07 in a deeply compromised way and see if they can catch Eddington. They do the laundry list of things that are fucked up on the little D. And I love that it's O'Brien that's like, yeah, so every single system is ruined and non-functional, including the inertial dampening system. You remember what happened on the US as patio?
Starting point is 00:27:29 There's like a 50-50 chance that happens to us if we go out. Yeah. This is a terrible idea. Why are they doing this? Boy, I don't know. It is rough. The only thing that is working is the hollow communicator
Starting point is 00:27:44 or whatever. I feel like there's a scene missing, Ben, and that scene is, I can't ask any of you to follow me into this. Right. But like, if you turn around now, no one will think differently of you. Like we needed that scene because there is so much danger here
Starting point is 00:28:00 for a captain that's basically gone rogue that you really need that moment. Right, he's basically been ordered not to mess with that incident. Yeah. It feels like it could have been a two-parter, honestly. Like, this is a shit ton of episode. It's a lot.
Starting point is 00:28:16 To be quite honest about it, that is an apparel. A bucket of pay. Mr. Bucket, I have to revert back to my name. Stay cool. I don't use the bucket anymore. Even internal communications are messed up on the little D. So what they're gonna have to do is have cadet nog,
Starting point is 00:28:32 be the person that is transmitting orders down to the engine room and back to the bridge. And so, N-to-nog comes in. And I didn't really understand like why he had a communicator that worked and other people didn't, but he has a little gadget that he holds up by his ear. And it is, there are very fun, like, World War II submarine film vibes. Once this gets going, which is like, every order is like repeated in kind of a bucket brigade style. And every time the ship turns or switches something on or or whatever like
Starting point is 00:29:07 three different people have to do something to make it happen. Yeah I dug it I liked the pattern of it it felt very military in a way that this story is very military. Yeah it was really good. It's very run-silent run-nug. All right, you got the title again, great. At this point, Cisco's taken a shower, right? I don't know, I just don't even, when am I gonna get a title? When you come up with a good title? There were people on Reddit saying that it might be like
Starting point is 00:29:40 147U, 133 me on titles. There's no fucking way. You have easily133Me on titles. There's no fucking way. You have easily three quarters of all titles. I don't think so. It's the only thing I'm good at on this show. Just give me this, Ben. That's not true. That's like saying,
Starting point is 00:29:57 hey, listen, I'm just gonna be the funny one. You be the regular one. That's not how it is. That's not how it is where both the regular one. That's not how it is. That's not how it is where both the regular one. We get a scene here at the, there's sort of an interstitial scene between Dax and Cisco that serves to diminish the tension of what's happening. Cisco is paranoid that Dax thinks he's crazy for going out on this mission, which he is, by the way. And instead of holding him to account, DAX uses the moment to bank a favor for later.
Starting point is 00:30:33 Yeah. She's like, hey, next time Coloth shows up and I want to go murder someone in cold blood on some Klingon set trip and shit, I'm just gonna remind you of this little conversation. Yeah, like, Dax, you can't call in a favor if you're dead. And those are the stakes, and yet they're not stated at whatsoever. I think death is on the table here, and no one's acting like it. Well, you never go up against this asylian when death is on the table here, and no one's acting like it. Well, you never go up against this asylian
Starting point is 00:31:06 when death is on the line, Adam. There's a fun version of like, like one of my favorite parts of any Star Trek film is like, the ship leaving Doc, you know, the lights turn on, the ship flips around, the music swells, it's great. It's one of the best parts of a Star Trek movie, but there's a fun circus mirror version of that where the ship, the little D here is super fucked up. They're being very careful to turn it around. It's kind of frisbee-ing outside of
Starting point is 00:31:33 Deep Space 9. It almost hits one of the arms of it. It's wild. Yeah. What is Denise Richards the pilot of this ship? That could be a title? No. That's not structured like a title. Yeah, it's not. It's not. It's forced, too. We just can't force it.
Starting point is 00:31:55 It's not forced? That was just a joke. It's just not, it's not the kind of joke that makes its way into the title of the show. I thought the little D should have continued frisbeeing all the way to the badlands. Oh, there's another title. That would have been fun. Congratulations. You've had three titles so far this show. Your jet lag is still very thick, babe. I'm excited for you to get more sleep after which you're going to be a little bit nicer to me. What's the episode of
Starting point is 00:32:24 Friendly Fire that we recorded when I was like extraordinarily punchy from it? Oof. Yeah, you really work. Was that Alexander? Yeah, you really took it out on us. Man, I could not see straight that episode.
Starting point is 00:32:38 After we had finished recording, John was like, wow, that was something. He is very upsetable fuck I owe that guy an apology no you don't no because you were taking it out on me you weren't taking it out on John was I yes I don't even remember the show I'm sorry much so it's fine it's fine Adam'm sorry. I'm sorry I did that. So the little D makes it out to the badlands. And one thing, one detail I didn't notice about Eddington when he appears on the hollow
Starting point is 00:33:13 emitter this time is how giant his leather lapels are. Yeah, he looks like he's emerging from a labia. Yeah, like because he's weren't you know what this kind of leather is in a way that I don't. Like it's super wrinkly soft leather. So it looks very fleshy. Well, he gets all his clothes at the same store as Admiral Sati. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:36 Yeah. Yeah, I love this jacket though. It looks very space very space piratey. Yeah, he's got kind of a rogish cut to his jib. And this turns out to be a total jam up. Like, he was just kind of buying time so that he could fuck up the Malene Che. And when the little D comes upon the Malene J, which is a the hood class starship, it is, it isn't a really bad way. And so now they're sort of returning the favor, helping Captain 90's dad. Captain 90's dad reports that their tennis courts are in ruins.
Starting point is 00:34:20 A foosball table was knocked over and the frozen beverage machines are an operative. In a word, Ben, they are buzz killed. Really harshed their mellow. Yeah, 90s dad has now turned into Captain Disappointed 90s dad. Yeah. So ending Den is continuing his rampage. He's going to go threaten another Cardassian population with genocide.
Starting point is 00:34:47 It's a lot of them. How much do we need? And they have to kind of like do the math on which population that's gonna be. 500 gallons, could do it, should do it. There are four candidate planets. Two of them have upgraded security measures, so they can reject those out of hand.
Starting point is 00:35:05 And then the other two are kind of like one is like got like like great mining operation and like semi upgraded security. And the other one is like basically an easy target. Yeah, it's like if you're playing Siv and you're trying to decide if you're going to attack a civilization from like the classical period or from the Renaissance or something,
Starting point is 00:35:26 you're gonna choose the weaker of the two. Right. That's what they're thinking. You don't wanna attack a city that's got cannons or like firearms, you wanna attack the one that's still as arrows. Right, you want to send your musket men up against their horse archers. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:35:44 But Cisco realizes that Eddington is a is a zig when we think he's going to zag type a guy. And you know like they've made they made the case that like maybe Captain 90's dad is going to be better at hunting Eddington because Edding and knows Cisco too well and can predict his actions, but that blade cuts both ways. Cisco kind of knows the psychology of Eddington and can predict that Eddington is going to go for the harder target. All right, everything has been reduced to them.
Starting point is 00:36:21 It is one on one at this point. Mano, I'm Mano. Everyone else is just along for the ride. I wonder what Eddington's crew is thinking over there. Like that's a perspective you don't get. Yeah. Is Eddington the head of all make-wis? It kind of seems that way.
Starting point is 00:36:39 I think that this episode kind of makes a case that he is. I wish they didn't kill off Tom Riker. Like to sprinkle Tom Riker around every once in a while. Boy, oh boy. Boy, if we've got an episode with Calheds and Eddington and Tom, how fucking great would that have been? Tom Riker appears on the bridge of the little D,
Starting point is 00:37:02 looks over at Kira and she's like, you know, I got the big snip Raker Raker's like I'm up to that challenge Jesus Fuck you know everyone's doing six month sentences for being in the make-wee's like I could have gotten out of prison by now, right? Yeah, it's what it's so. Yeah, I mean, adding tons of looking down the barrel
Starting point is 00:37:31 of one of those, if he gets caught, six months, pretty tough. Wow, that ruler on the knuckles is really gonna smirk. I'm a rain, come to a fore, I'm a rain, come to a fore, I'm a rain, come to a fore, what are you doing? I'm a rain, come to a fore, what are you doing now? Yeah They head to this planet that Cisco correctly predicts Eddington will be attacking and There's some pretty fun space combat between the Make Weasewaters and the Little D. They get the first one and then the
Starting point is 00:38:11 second one heads back to the planet. They're like, what the fuck is this thing doing? And what it's doing is attacking one of the drain cleanerships that the Kardashians are using to evacuate their dispoiled planet. And so now they have a sort of dark night joker-style dilemma where it's go after Eddington and kill him or save the cardacian drain cleaners. Yeah, what's he gonna do? He's gonna save the Kardashians.
Starting point is 00:38:45 Yeah, there was never any doubt, right? Right. You don't let the innocents go. But boy, Eddington really like rubs his face in it. Eddington knows his enemy also. Yeah, and this is good strategy by him. Yeah. I think that they could have just not had the all the way with me. Like, I think that these scenes would have been as effective
Starting point is 00:39:04 if they had just had everything beyond FaceTime the way it always is in Star Trek. It feels like the only reason to do this is if it's going to be the thing that they do henceforth. If this is just a thing they do for the next few episodes and then stop, I am on your side on that. It's unnecessary. Yeah, I don't, I can't really remember if this is a thing after this or not. It seems like a budget thing.
Starting point is 00:39:32 Like on the surface, you wouldn't think that an effect would cost less, but you're not building a bridge for Eddington to communicate out of on the side. So I think in the long run, you're saving money by continuing this effect. Yeah, but then they've got to have a make-wease radar background, right? Yeah. Like you don't have to do much. I mean, like if TNG taught us anything, you can put a forengi in front of a white screen and say that that's the
Starting point is 00:40:02 bridge of their ship. Yeah. Strange. Don't know what to make of it. Just like Cisco and Dex don't know what to make of this file that they were able to retrieve. There was some communication among the Makewies raiders and they were able to steal some of it and steady it. And that's Odo's job. Yeah, and it is like a brain nursery rhyme. Yeah, that's all it is. And that's what's frustrating Odo.
Starting point is 00:40:30 He's like, I know you told me not to open the attachment. But I opened the attachment and nothing was there. Far be it for me to ignore the admonishments of the IT department, but curiosity got the best of me, and I really wanted to see what it was like to have pinball on my computer. The subject line was forward, forward, forward, forward, forward, Cisco's emails. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha There's a lot of... Are you familiar with Le Miserable?
Starting point is 00:41:09 I'm not, but I know you are. I'm not. I've never seen it. Or read it. Well, I know your pronunciation is dead wrong, Ben. It's supposed to be called le miserable. Try it. Le miserable. Le miserable. Le miserable. The miserable, try it. The miserable. The miserable.
Starting point is 00:41:26 The miserable. Feliz, naveba. I've got a point from the ceiling of the pool. This entire episode pivots into lame ears. Yeah. And the conversation between Dax and Siskel is about how Eddington sees that as a metaphor. And the way he sees it as a metaphor is that Eddington
Starting point is 00:41:53 is the good guy and Cisco is the corrupt cop that is busting his chops for stealing a loaf of bread, bad guy. So Cisco decides that the heel turn is the way to win the day. And so, he's going to lean into his role as a villain by basically doing the same thing to a Mayquees planet that Eddington has done to a couple of Kardashian planets. You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain. I thought for sure, after this pivot, the Malinche would be back on the scene and like the little D would be totally rogue, right? Like, can he get Eddington before the Malinche gets him?
Starting point is 00:42:39 Because this is heel on top of heel, right? Like they're doing a mission that is unsanctioned, and then they're about to raise the stakes of that mission by pivoting into bio-weapon. Right. Which a lot of text-based news websites tried to do in sort of the late 2000s, and it wound up really fucking their budgets up. Cisco's like, Wurf, attached bags of tri-Lithium to some torpedoes and Wurf's like,
Starting point is 00:43:11 Yeah. That's an idiotic plan. Makewies raiders are too fast for that and he's like, no, we're gonna shoot at planets. Tri-Lithium torpedoes are what they were using in Star Trek generations, right? Yeah. Yeah. Tri-L? Yeah. Yeah. Try Lithium. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:28 Time travel. This is an episode that really makes you think it is going to be about Cisco bluffing because so many times we've seen just like across all television, we've seen a character like come up with the clincher that is going to defeat the bad guy. Yeah. And kind of not let anybody else in on it so that they can get all of the dramatic reveal at the end when they say, well, I was buffing and I got him. So it's not bluffing because in fucking kills a planet. Kills a planet for humans. And that's so interesting about these weapons, right?
Starting point is 00:44:09 Like they are equal in opposite reactions. Editing team shampoo bomb makes a planet uninhabitable for cardacions, and Cisco's trilythium bomb makes it uninhabitable for humans. But if you shot a planet at the same time, would the torpedoes cross in midair? What do you got then? Shampoo holocaust. There's your title, Ben. There it is. You did it.
Starting point is 00:44:35 I got it. Late in the game, a buzzer beater. Nice work. I feel really good. I don't feel like I earned it, Nice work. I feel really good. I don't feel like I earned it, but I'm happy that I got it. Eddington has this. Does that make me a bad person, Adam? No, no, not at all.
Starting point is 00:44:58 You're allowed like the Joker in the movie Joker that I'm like a loser in cell. Thanks. I don't think you're like that. Have you seen that movie? Yeah, nothing I'm gonna see it. Seems bad, right? You kind of take Eddington's side here, right? You have to. Who is more sane at this exact moment and hinged versus unhinged? It's actually Eddington. Yeah. I mean, I don't agree with the direction Eddington took his life in. And I don't like the way he left Starfleet to go pursue that. But, but let's just go to here. It was a real crazy Hail Mary. It's one of those movies where the cop goes rogue and all of the crimes they committed along the way toward bagging the criminal are looked past because they won in the end. Ben the two-part episode that this episode should be should have the courtroom, should have
Starting point is 00:46:04 the court marshal in that second episode should be, should have the courtroom, should have the court martial in that second episode. Yeah. The deployment of biological weapons by Cisco is not legal in the Federation, and he should be in, like, he should not have his command after this. It should start with the court martial in the first episode, and it'd be like a, like a Rashomon retelling
Starting point is 00:46:23 of the events. Yeah. Because basically at the end of the episode, what they're saying is we solve the make-wease. By capturing Eddington? Yeah. I think the make-wease is like Hydra. I think you cut off Eddington's head and then two more heads pop up.
Starting point is 00:46:47 Boy, they have their showdown where Eddington is standing in the inside the hula hoop that describes where the hollow communicator can be. What are you really up to, Javair? They should have put a grid on the floor, right? And Eddington relents and says like, okay, you can have me just don't kill any more Make-Wise planets. All right, Chavere. I'll give you what you want.
Starting point is 00:47:14 You're saying my sentence is only six months, right? Like you promise. Right. That's what it's going to be. I got your word on that. And then when it's over, you'll have me back on the station. Yeah, I'll get to put the gold uniform back on. And it'll be because that's what those nice new ones, not the, not the super dumpy old one. This, the series just pivots into a,
Starting point is 00:47:38 a series of, of like Cisco just never learning his lesson. But there's the button which is there, like they get Eddington off of the little D and DeXan Sisko like walk down the thing and the case is made that like the the make-ways thing is over. The balance in the region will be restored, but the situation remains far from stable. Like, there's still a little bit of like political unrest, but essentially in one fell swoop, the problem of the Mayquise has been solved. Contextually that just doesn't make sense. Like I know they're telling us this, but every time we've had an interaction with the Mayquees, like they are a rogues gallery, they have many heads and many captains, and that's part of what makes fighting them so difficult.
Starting point is 00:48:33 Yeah. Like this doesn't make any logical sense based on what we've been told about the Mayquees. And I hope it's not the truth for that reason. Yeah. It just seems too easy if so. Well, it's like, it's easy also because it's like, okay, like we poisoned one planet, so we'll move all the people from that planet to the other one that got abandoned by the Cardassians and vice versa.
Starting point is 00:49:00 Like it is a very neat bow that they tie a very messy situation with the Mayquise up in. If ending the Mayquise was about killing one person, the federation would deploy in Armada to go and get Eddington and kill him, or capture him, and the idea that that's not part of their strategy for defeating the Mayquise is insane. I also thought it was a little crazy that like no cardacians appear in the episode. No, like the only cardacian ship we see is a drain cleaner that's like in big trouble. Yeah. Like, it's like the cardacians are like the same, have the same problem as the federation
Starting point is 00:49:40 where somebody is going and, and wiping out planets along their frontier and they're like shit We just don't have any ships to send whoops. What else is the federation doing right now? A lot of questions a lot of holes Did you like the episode been yes? A lot of questions, a lot of holes. Did you like the episode, Ben? Yes. Strong yes. It's an episode with a lot of questions and a lot of holes,
Starting point is 00:50:09 but it's also just a lot of fun. Yeah, that's true. The Avery books performance by itself is enough to make me like this episode. But also, I can kind of relate to the writers. Maybe I misunderstood something about the end of this episode, but I kind of feel like they were like, what if we wrote an episode that by the end of it, we were just not dealing with the make-wiss anymore and we could like focus on more interesting shit in the storyline?
Starting point is 00:50:42 Got it. Feels like the Shikar problem all over again, right? Like either through boredom or disinterest, we're just going to tie this one up. Yeah. Is that it? Let's get it off the table because we got bigger fish to fry. I guess. Did you like the episode? Adam, I liked all of the same things that you liked. I don't think it... Yeah, I mean, it was fun to kind of sport fuck the episode.
Starting point is 00:51:10 But when you do the math of it, it was fun to go to war again. It was fun to hop on the little D and shoot some torpedoes. That's, I mean, that's like, that's the kid sci-fi that I love. I am very curious about what happens to Cisco's character after this. By sacrificing the high road the way he did, it should change him forever. He should be in big trouble, but I, but it's hard to believe that there's going to be any consequences here. And further, like, I don't, do you see him changing at all? Is he always like, his big deal about the, in that punching bag scene was like, was how he, he couldn't see what was right in front of him. Yeah. Like, like, he couldn't, he, he let it happen. And he felt,
Starting point is 00:52:01 and he feels responsible. But I took him to a baseball game. He recommended him for a promotion and he was installing computer viruses on my ship and my station the entire time. If you trace Captain Sisko's arc from the many times he's been duped up until now, do you think that he's a changed man? I think he could be duped again, but I don't think he's predictable in the way that he once was. Yeah. You know, because using a bio weapon, I think that change is a person.
Starting point is 00:52:34 Yeah. And I think that it's a level up in a chaotic, good kind of way. Like he was such lawful good before and now he's like sort of changed alignments. Right. And I think that that makes him a little bit more interesting as a character. And also he's no longer lawful, right? He's no longer lawful and he has a whole new like bag of tricks to draw on. Like the point about Eddington is that Eddington beat him. Like Eddington was better than him
Starting point is 00:53:10 and that drives him crazy. I think it's crucial that Cisco didn't be Eddington in the end, Eddington gave up. Yeah. Which cannot be satisfying if you're Ben Cisco. At least it would not satisfy the man beating up the heavy bag earlier. Right. You know what, I sometimes find satisfying at him.
Starting point is 00:53:32 Beating up the priority one message bag. Yeah. Beat it up. That bag is heavy, Adam. Yeah. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel. Need a supplement on it. A supplement on it?
Starting point is 00:53:48 A supplement. A supplement. Yeah, it's extra. But the interest alone could be enough to buy this ship. Ben, our first priority one message is for Ben and Adam. And it is from a guy who's a little bit embarrassed to have listened to 279 episodes of a Star Trek podcast. Well, there's more than that now.
Starting point is 00:54:11 Yeah, evidently this person quit after 279. The message goes like this, I don't usually look at pods on the internet, but when I came across years, I found them alluring in ways I didn't expect, but kind of enjoyed. Hundreds of episodes and a voyage of self-discovery later, I figured I should throw you some scarves. May you take these scars and do all the things I'm curious about, but I'm too bashful myself to try.
Starting point is 00:54:39 Wow, what should we do with the scarves? I think he's encouraging a little bit of breath play. Jeez. Which we don't condone at all. Very dangerous. To, for instance, tie a scarf around your neck, and then tie that scarf to a doorknob. Exciting, but dangerous. And then just try jacking it until you pass out.
Starting point is 00:55:04 Yeah. I'm not saying that should be a thing that anyone does It's too dangerous. You don't want to care Dean yourself. No. No care Dean's around here. Well I guess we'll just have to like order weird cocktails or something That that sounds to me like it would be jacking off in excess. What's your message, saypin? Adam our next priority one message is from Nikolai Del Chimski and it's for Barbara. It goes like this. The woods are lovely, dark and deep, but I have promises to keep.
Starting point is 00:55:45 And miles to go before I sleep. And miles to go before I sleep. Remember miles to go before I sleep. What does it mean? I don't know. It's not like the warm-hunted bosom style, like Soviet spy activation code of random words and references. Yeah, but it's a Russian name, Nikolai Delchimsky. I'm immediately suspicious of the Russian name.
Starting point is 00:56:18 I'm gonna put this message into the gurgle. See what comes out. Oh yeah. This is a stopping by woods on a snowy evening by Robert Frost. Hmm. The woods are lovely dark and deep, but I have promises to keep. And miles to go before I sleep. And miles to go before I sleep.
Starting point is 00:56:38 Yeah. Robert Frost. Well, Barbara just stuck a pen knife into the neck of an ambassador somewhere. But you know, or powerless to stop things like that because there's no way to, no, no here. Just rebroadcasting murder codes. I like it. But if you like to send a murder code code you can head to maximumfun.org slash
Starting point is 00:57:08 jambotron. It's a hundred bucks for a personal murder or two hundred bucks for a promotional murder. Do you think he's talking about miles O'Brien? Could it be a little bird? But he doesn't capitalize it all the time. He only capitalizes it when it's the beginning of the sentence Yeah Send more poetry. That's nice. Yeah, poetry is nice. I would say I'm just going out on a limb here at him, but poetry slaps Yeah, maybe maybe we could turn this into a poetry one message Cool Maybe we could turn this into a poetry one message. Cool. No?
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Starting point is 00:59:51 We are podcasters, so it's different. Have you heard of Ono Ross and Carrie? We investigate spirituality, claims of the paranormal, stuff like that. And you have a boat and say the world's gonna end, so seem like something for us to check out. We would love to be on the boats. We came two by two.
Starting point is 01:00:05 What do you think? O'Neil Ross and Carrie, available on MaximumFun.org. I'm gonna give my Shimoda to Odo for throwing monster shade. At Cisco, there's a meeting of the minds of McLaughlin group. If you want, if you will. Welcome back McLaughlinlin Group by the way. Mm. Uh, happening in the, in Cisco's office next to Ops. And Odo's like, uh, when was the last time you talked to Starfleet Command? Cisco's like, oh no. Odo's like, well next time you do, you might want to remind them that they posted Eddington here
Starting point is 01:00:58 because it didn't trust me. Any, uh, any throws his arms up like the fuck and then he leaves That was Amazing, I love that part Those don't take into personally Yeah, and rightfully so they fucked up. Yeah indeed. It trusted the wrong man Who's your Shimoda Ben? My Shimoda is trusted the wrong man. Who's your Shimoda, Ben?
Starting point is 01:01:23 My Shimoda is DAX for similar reasons that's seen at the end of the episode where she's like, so like, it's startfully cool with this. This whole thing where you like, nuke the planet to catch one man, which she really rode for earlier,
Starting point is 01:01:44 is basically, why I I thought that was funny. Hey, you know how earlier you were talking about that double agent that was marooned on that planet and was slowly dying? You think we should pick him up or something? Yeah. Like pick him up or something? Yeah, and uh... This goes like I'm late for a workout. Listen. Hold the bag, Dax.
Starting point is 01:02:09 The little D needs a lot of work in the shop before we do any frivolous bullshit like that. Yeah, well... whoo, really feel bad for that guy. Is anyone gonna feel bad for us when you tell us what episode we're watching next been? I don't know, probably. Really feel bad for that guy. Is anyone gonna feel bad for us when you tell us what episode we're watching next been? I don't know, probably.
Starting point is 01:02:29 Yeah. What's it gonna be? Season 5 episode 14 in purgatory's shadow, Part 1. Well, Worf and Garrick are imprisoned in the Gamma Quadrant. Cisco learns of a dominion invasion. What? It's happening. Whoa.
Starting point is 01:02:51 The domes are coming. Oh, geez. And the subs ain't ready. So spedricate ready. So spedrate take a very thorough shower. Yeah. Clean everything. Lubricate well.
Starting point is 01:03:07 All right. Well, one form of lubrication we have around this show is the Coco Nono Square on our game of buttholes will of the profits. That square being, of course, five squares ahead of the square we're on now, which is square 41. You feel lucky, Ben? You're required to learn as you play.
Starting point is 01:03:31 Roll. I've got the die in my hand. Yeah, let me give those a little puff. Oh, Ben, I rolled it too. Too long! Did I win? Harvey. Oh, Ben, I rolled it too! Too long! Did I win?! Harvey! Land is safely on square 43, a regular, old episode!
Starting point is 01:03:50 Yay! That will be that. You know what? There's gonna be a lot of war episodes to watch and drink through, so... maybe starting sober... is the way to do it. Yeah, I think so. Maybe. I don't know. Never seen this episode before.
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Starting point is 01:05:16 Like if you're an overcast, there's a little star there, and if you hit that star, it will recommend the show to other people, And the show will rise in their little show recommendation algorithm on the, on the, on the new podcast page. It's been a long time since we've like put a concerted effort in, in like really getting more reviews of the show. And I was listening to a show the other day that had the idea of doing a Q&A episode based on five star review comments.
Starting point is 01:05:50 Oh, which I thought was interesting. That might get people to participate. So if you like the show, we'll do like an upcoming Marin. Yeah. We'll Marin open some five star questions if you have some questions For Ben or myself leave a five star review and a question in that comment and we will Read it and answer it on a future episodes maron. I like it I mean, I don't love it because I'm gonna have to look through comments and
Starting point is 01:06:21 Potentially see some one star ones that make me feel really bad, but I haven't looked at comments in maybe a year. I've been really good about that. Wow. You just got to sort by by recent and and hope we're lucky. Some of those early comments are pretty rough. Yeah. All right. Well, now that we've opened ourselves up to that, should we get out of here? Yeah, not before thinking Adam Ragusia. Oh yeah, check out his cooking YouTube. I'm going to do a recipe on Adam Ragusia's cooking YouTube. What? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:59 Which one? I'm going to make a chicken stew that I really like. And it's going to be on of Rangusia cooking channel. It might be up already by the time you hear this. What? As in, like, you're a guest on his cooking show? Yeah, I'm in a film, he's gonna do the voiceover. Wow.
Starting point is 01:07:19 Yeah. Awesome. You should do one too. I bet uh... I'm sure this is open to both of us No, I don't think so I think I think you likes you more. That's not true to that. I'm gonna go to that YouTube page I'm gonna see if your episode is up everybody everybody likes you more than me videos Doesn't look like your app is up yet. I'm saying by the time this comes out at him
Starting point is 01:07:44 Shot it yet fool Wrong hole fool. Yeah, all right. Well, I'll be looking forward to that then I'm gonna bring my appetite Can eat that chicken stew it's gonna get me through this cold winter up in Seattle got to think Bill Tilly Billium Tilly. Bill Tilly 1973 on Twitter, he is the creator of the custom comedy cards that you see on every possible social media site. And with that we will be back at you next time with another great episode of Star Trek Deep
Starting point is 01:08:21 Space 9 in an episode of the greatest generation Deep Space 9. The turns this cold war into a hot war. Too hot to handle, too cold to hold, we're Deep Space 9 and we're in control. So what's gonna be so high you're gonna need some pot holders. I guess you don't think I'll be you I guess you don't think I'll be you I guess you don't think I'll be you I guess you don't think I'll be you I guess you don't think I'll be you I guess you don't think I'll be you I guess you don't think I'll be you I guess you don't think I'll be you I guess you don't think I'll be you I guess you don't think I'll be you I guess you don't think I'll be you I guess you don't think I'll be you I guess you don't think I'll be you I guess you don't think I'll be you I guess you don't think I'll be you I guess you don't think I'll be you I guess you don't think I'll be you I guess you don't think I'll be you I guess you don't think I'll be you I guess you don't think I'll be you I guess you don't think I'll be you I guess you don't think I'll be you I guess you don't think I'll be you I guess you don't think I'll be you I guess you don't think I'll be you I guess you don't think I'll be you I guess you don't think I'll be you I guess you don't think I'll be you I guess you don't think I'll be you I guess you don't think I'll be you I guess you don't think I'll be you I guess you don't think I'll be you I guess you don't think I'll be you I guess you don't think I'll be you
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