The Greatest Generation - Sodium Pinecontothal (VOY S2E26)

Episode Date: November 22, 2021

After receiving an emergency FaceTime from Seska, Voyager changes course because you've gotta see the baby. But when the trap is better laid than even the Voyager crew can prepare for, they realize too late that they're all out of duck repellent. What would a vision quest order at a bar? Which cliff are we gonna hang off of? How would the Doctor begin a letter to Commander Maddox? It’s the episode where we put the Maron after the end credits. Exchange scarves for goods at PodShop.bizSupport the production of The Greatest Generation.Friends of DeSoto for Democracy.Friends of DeSoto for Justice.Follow The Game of Buttholes: The Will of the Caretaker!Music by Adam Ragusea & Dark MateriaFollow The Greatest Generation on Twitter, and discuss the show using the hashtag #GreatestGen!The Greatest Generation is now regularly streaming on Twitch.Facebook group | Subreddit | Discord | WikiSign up for our mailing list!

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Welcome to the greatest generation. It's a Star Trek podcast by a couple of guys who are a little bit embarrassed to have a Star Trek podcast. I'm Ben Harrison. I'm Adam Pranika. Here, we're just recording promos for the hit Star Trek podcast, The Greatest Discovery, and talking about how how if we introduce ourselves by name in the promo that may be more deterrent than anything to your prospective new listeners.

No one will care. We don't have name recognition. Name recognized name or in our case, does not recognize name. Yeah, so we made the great creative choice in our promos for the Hit Podcast, the greatest discovery, the hit new Star Trek Podcast, greatest discovery, and not to involve our names and things at all. Yeah, so we assume that's worked wonders and that people who discovered that show have

also migrated over to this show, so welcome. Right. Yeah. Great success was Was that promo? We're here at the end of season two. This is it. Can't believe it. It's going by fast. It feels like season two was a watershed season for Star Trek Voyager. So many great and crazy things happened. Crazy for science fiction in general, and that just start trick.

I had watched this episode already this morning and you had, and I was like, this episode is wild. And I kind of got the sense that you were taking that in a something like totally unbelievable and science fictiony is gonna happen in this episode. I was like, no, no, it's not wild like that. Once you go full axolotl, what is there after that? Yeah, once you go full two vicks.

Yeah, I mean, all that's left for you is dark web sci-fi from from there on out. Once you hang out with a clown played by Michael McKean. Yeah. And those are just three examples from three. Three examples of weird things that happened this season. Really close grouping too. Yeah, on those apps. Like a sniper's practice target.

Yeah, I mean, Star Trek routinely does a great show for their season finales. Frequently they are cliff hangers. So going into this one one I had some expectations. But mostly like they're the positive kind of expectations right by now in Star Trek's run. They have gotten the cliffhanger right. And so going into this I was ready for greatness. I was expecting greatness. You were brimming with confidence about the episode we were going to watch.

Yeah, much more confidence in the episode of Voyager than I am in the episode of the greatest generation. Oh, yeah. This will be a poor effort. I had an insane idea of Ben. Okay. We just dropped some shirts into our merch store. You may be familiar with it, with PodShop.biz. PodShop.biz. And I have not been able to shake the idea of a name change for the show. Oh. You and I have not talked about this. Okay. You're talking about changing the name of the greatest generation our beloved Star

Trek podcast. I thought about this. I'm wondering what's holding us back to the myriam extra viewers that are not on board with us yet. And I wonder if the name is a deterrent. I'm wondering if we should be greatest Trek. If Trek should be in the name. We already took those handles. Yeah, we have the handles. It punches off the tongue. It really hits. It says what we do on the canister.

It totally wipes us out financially in terms of our merch. Yeah. We really fucked that up. I'm not saying that we're gonna change the name of the show, but do you think it makes a difference what the show's name is? Much in the same way.

You and I were just talking about how insignificant our own names were to the popularity of our show. Does the name of the show itself matter? I'm sure that we have bad, I mean, like if you search us on a search engine, I'm sure that we don't show up very high in the results unless you add podcast or Star Trek after the search terms. Not even beloved long time advertiser Squarespace could optimize our search for our show

based on its name. Lord knows they tried. They're like, if we keep advertising on your show, will you eventually become a success story for us by changing your name? I think we should definitely have the Card Daddy build till he used the greatest trick, Twitter account to make a poll.

And we should see what people say about this. Cause that's science. Yeah, that would be science. It would be an interesting, I mean, we don't do things that our viewers tell us to do though, so like we could get an overwhelming majority one way or the other and still not do the thing. That's true.

But I also do really like that there is a small but non-zero possibility that at some point Tom Broca will hear that we called our show the greatest generation which is a name we took from his hit book. So inspired were we by the books we found on our dad's bookshelves that we named our show after it. He's actually a regular guest over on the flop house podcast right here on maximumfund.org. I know this. Yeah. And you know, maybe maybe one someday they'll tell him. Maybe they'll break it to him. I was a regular guest at Stewart Wellington's bar when I was in New York over the weekend.

Oh, really? Did you run into Stu? We had that great hang where Stu was behind the bar, and then we roll in, grab a table in the corner, and then after a few minutes, Stu just joined us at our table for a while. So he was working and playing at the same time. That's great. He's one of the great hangs.

That's one of the great dudes right there. Wow, well, boy, I don't even know what to think, man. Like, this is- No, I really sprung that on you, but I thought, because it's the season finale of an episode, we might want to have a cliffhanger of our own. Should we change the name of the show, Ben? I can't believe that we're putting the cliffhanger

right at the beginning of the episode. Hey, you're the editor, it can go anywhere. Oh yeah, I could just, I could, hey, this one has the Marin after the credits. Now we'll really be able to see who's listening to the very end. And for those 5% of our viewers, they will have a disproportionate ability to change the name of our show. Yeah, they're going to know what that Twitter poll is about. Yeah. Nobody else will.

We've jerrymandered our own polling to just the back five minutes. Yeah, it only happens every decade, but we've done it. Yeah. Adam, do you want to get into the episode? I can't wait. It's right there to be discussed. It's Star Trek Voyager Season 2 Episode 26, Basics Part 1. Breaver Course.

Unless you've got something a little bigger in your torpedo toots. I'm not turning around. Sorry. We start on some cultivating of seedlings. And then, oh my god, that's Brad Duriff. What the fuck? Souter is back baby. He's back and he's a moody earthen ever. Yeah. The lighting that Souter has chosen for his confinement to quarters is quite gloomy indeed. Is it true that the paparazzi just refused to cover Brad Duriff?

Is it true that the paparazzi just refused to cover Brad Duriff? Because it's just too intense of an assignment. Yeah, it put the paparazzi in a really tough spot when he was dating Jaja Gabor for about six months. You know what you know a picture you're never gonna see in your supermarket tabloid is Brad Duriff blowing out his birthday candles at Spago. Brad Duriff's genitals showing as he gets out of Lamborghini. I bet he is very intense genitals. Oh yeah. Piercing genitals.

Not pierced. I'm not saying it's pierced. No, yeah. Brad Duriff has since the last time we saw him, he's been confined to his on-ship condominium. And he's turned those quarters into a modest home and garden center. Like the kind you'd find not in a big box store, but kind of one of your smaller in city target stores.

Right. That was like kind of a half an aisle situation. Right. Or like local non chain hardware store that like is just trying to have something for the home and garden. Head shop with a hydroponics area through a beaded curtain in the back, kind of vibe. He's developed a new species of orchid and entirely new species. I'm going to name it out for you

I'm gonna call it to vorkid and Two Valk is like hey listen I don't really like the portmanteau thing anymore after some recent trauma Sudres like look as great as this orchid looks from this angle Let me turn it around and show you the back and two bucks like oh god it around and show you the back and two bucks like oh god no. The meld has really had a lasting impact on suit. This is two box hobby that suit has really taken and run with. As part of his effort to kind of clean up his act and have a positive life and he really appreciates this but he's not getting out anytime soon. This has-

He's just saying like hey listen I thought the only thing I was good at was murder and it's great to discover that I'm also good at plant cultivation. We get those vibes here that we see in prison films where you're up for parole and you're attending your hearing and you're making the case that you're a changed person and you might be ready to go and Tuvak will seize him at the end of his conversation and then they they started on their therapy this is this is a cliffhanger right off the top. Yeah it's they put the cliffhanger right in the mirror in here. Who would do that? Yeah, they put the cliffhanger right in the mirror in here. Who would do that? See, it's a good idea. Yeah, so what he wants to do is kind of a 24th century version of work from home, which is I have discovered

this latent skill in botany that I would like to apply to improving the results we have in the aeroponics bay. I can stay here. I'm just interested in getting some gear to try this stuff out on food plants that are being cultivated by Nelix. We see later that suitors been fed a steady stream of Nelix delivered foodstuffs.

Kind of a Nelix box sort of subscription service. Yeah, yeah. And he is highly motivated to change that situation so you can understand the urgency here. If you could get his hands on his only ol' roots, the things he would be capable of. On the bridge, they've gotten a hail, scanning around, trying to figure out where it's coming from. It's coming from a caeson boi. Prepare a bully and launch it when ready. Warning boys. An emergency bully.

A warning bully. It's a message boi, the message in a boi, and it's a face time from CESCA. It's a new baby face time. It's right, and it's not the cute kind of new baby face time either. There's no showing off here. It's sort of grainy footage of Cesco holding the baby before getting roughed up by someone we don't see off camera.

Chico, dear, they're going to take your son. I've heard of being born with a silver spoon. This baby's born with a fleshy spoon. We don't get a name, do we? Of the baby. No, I mean, that's something that you want the parents to kind of talk over between the two of them. I was wondering about how long they spent deciding

whether or not this baby should have a name from Jim. Does a name make this scene more tragic? Because I'm going for more tragedy if given the choice. The scene is really dark because it becomes clear that Cesca is basically being attacked by color and the signal cuts out and we get very intense Chico Te Ayes to theme. After the theme, you kind of get the emotional bends because you see this traumatic event. And then you have the theme song as interstitial. And then we cut into a meeting where Chico Tei's in media, I thought it was a one night thing, not a commitment race.

He doesn't want to pay child support. He doesn't want to take any responsibility for this. Not a great look by Chico Tei here. I mean, in his defense, this is CESCA and CESCA BELAY and traps. Like, they even needed to ask the question, do you think it's a trap? That was an unintentionally laugh out loud line to me at that. Yeah. I mean, they basically turned a camera and they're like,

if you, if this is your first time watching Star Trek Voyager, we need to make clear that CESCA perhaps can't be trusted. CESCA stays laying traps. It's one of those things where it's like, it's a trap we're going in anyways, which is. That's fun. Every third action movie basically has that as it's set up it's a trap we're going in any ways, which is. That's fun. Every third action movie basically has that as it's set up. It's true.

Uh, as they know we're coming. They know we're coming. And that's fine. You know who else knew Chico Tay was coming? Actually, that's not how the baby was made. Everyone. Chico Tay knew that Cesca was coming with that syringe. But did he, or did he find out later?

Yeah. Ha ha ha. Doesn't seem like anybody knew anybody was coming. I know. Until now, this is the first time. There just needs to be more communication between parties in general, right? You know, as Andre 3000 memorably said, call before you come. Don't just pop over out the blue.

Janeway is really generous in this scene about what to do next, because the question from the cold open is what is Chico taking a do? And the answer after the cold open is what are we all going to do? Yeah, it's gonna be Chico take decision whether or not to go after this baby and her commitment is basically like speaking on behalf of the crew,

I know this is gonna be dangerous but we are gonna be down to help you see this through if this is what you wanna do. And I recommend you take some time, get your bindle together and pray on it and make a decision and let us know. It's a classic situation of if I say no, ask dad. So it's a code taste thinking. If his conscience says no, he's gonna, ask dad. So what's a Cote's thinking?

If his conscience says no, he's going to ask his dad. And so he sits on the floor of his quarters and rub some stones together. And there he is. He appears like the Red Baron pizza man. Yeah. There are a lot of things to be critical about the way the character of Cote's written and the way his spirituality is depicted. But I think that the scene is very interesting because it does not pull the punch of like what white colonialism

meant to native peoples. And what a weird challenge it was to have children enter their society that were the product of sexual assault by colonizers. And this is like a painful historical memory that Chicoete's father compares to the thing that Chicoete is going through, which is a sci-fi inversion of that same thing. Like, I don't know if it's like a perfect one-to-one comparison, but I thought like if we're grading on the curve of this stuff was all partly the product of the fake

consultant to Voyager Employee, this is actually like better than normal. This actually makes you forgive that consultant for everything and you're actually fully supportive of the consultant's order here. No, it's good. Call it back. So let me see if I can put this in terms you might understand. So, CESCA is the white man. And etc. Treat the kid like your own. Yeah. And I think it's so interesting as a production challenge to depict how this begins and ends, right?

Because we cut right back into Chico Te's quarters again. It's not like he says, by, it's a classic like vision quest that doesn't say by before hanging up the phone. It's a classic vision quest that pulls up the car and parks in a spot that is for some reason available right in front of the club and doesn't lock the car door before walking in. It's a classic case of a vision quest going to a bar and just ordering a beer. It only happens on TV.

With the vision over, it seems like he's taking colapax advice for action he I mean he doesn't give it voice necessarily but like he seems satisfied with what he's heard or at least at peace with it it's a very uncomfortable scene I think the the other thing to say about it is like stealing someone's DNA is not comparable to rape but the like upshot of like what to do about the kid does feel comparable to Chico Te at the very least. So he folds up his bindle and our next scene is a McLaughlin group. It's kind of an unusual one because it seems to have gone into kind of breakout sessions

where there are different working groups and Janeway kind of goes around the room and talks to people about what the different issues that they've specialized in and their subcommittees are going to be. Every time you go to a meeting, there's always a hierarchy, right? The people you go to first for their suggestions. Yeah. And boy, as soon as we're in on this McLaughlin group, it's Nelix, who is offering to help with the mission that

appears to already be in motion. He's offering Tlaxian help. And I'm like, how much of this mission did we skip? It's not just that the mission's already in full swing. It's that we're already to the Nelix suggestions portion of the meeting. Janeway, here's about this idea that the backup that they are potentially going to have would be the tolaxians, and she turns to Chiquita and she says, I'm sorry, Mr. Chico Te. I know I told you we could go get your son, but it turns out we cannot.

And exactly how are these ships armed? Do they just throw Leola Root out the window, Mr. Nelix? Are we too assumed that they will morale them to death? Kim suggests a censor scrambling plan that makes it look like many more ships will be involved. This is not a surprising kind of plan. We hear this fairly often on Star Trek. If we're just one ship, let's make it look like we've got a bunch. And the dot kind of puts a hat on that sensor hat by going, how about instead of just adding dots to their sensor display,

we add some fucking ships out the window using hollow-ammeter technology technology not unlike what we're using to project my body around today We're gonna talk about the metaverse and BLT is great in this scene She's like we can't even have you actually attend the meeting what makes you think we can actually do a plan like this and Learn Michaels leans back in his chair and goes hmm., I think it'll play after one a.m. It's kind of a hat on a hat. Yeah. Doc is like, I'm sorry, I thought it was in a ship where we could imagine doing great things.

Yeah. You know, rising to the challenge or whatever? I honestly think this could be a franchise bit. It could be one of our classic film spin-offs, you know? Yeah. We'll see. Two Vaxes matches the dock in his hollow balls here because he's like, a simple scan is going to reveal that these are hollow ships with no life signs or energy readings or

anything. I don't know how long you expect a plan like this to work, but they agree that it might be something to have in the back pocket, you know, in a circumstance where you're outnumbered, even a little bit of time could make the difference. It's kind of the, let's have a picture of water on the table that we can knock over in case we need to run out of the room real quickly. The meeting is adjourned and there's a nice moment toward the end. Most of the attendees have already left when Chico DeGos, hey, just one more thing. Thank you.

And they all nod at him, which is like, I don't know how to take thanks or a compliment when that's ever given to me, but the nod, the sturdy nod, it's a great look. Professional nod. He takes an unsnapped pencil and puts it into the breast pocket of his shirt Gonna save that one for later

Never know it just looks like Chico Tase got got extremely long piercings into this nipples. So they're heading toward where Kala's ship will be. They run across a drifting Kazan shuttle, and the life sign aboard is in pretty bad shape, so they beam him directly to 6 Bay. They don't send two Valk or any security down. Two Valk takes the con and Captain and Ticote walk down. I guess this guy is too fucked up to pose any kind of threat. He's in critical condition. This dude's name is Tyrna and Ticote recognizes him from when he was

imprisoned on the ship. Tyrna is one of Seska's heads. He definitely recognizes those fists. Yeah, and Tyrna has some pretty shocking news at him. Yeah, he's like, the camera's in real close, like sick on a bedside close. He's like, Chico Te. RSVP Seska. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha R-S-V-P-Sesca. She goes, it's like, it's em to me, like you said, R-S-V-P. Like a party?

Like is this some kind of, have I been invited to a baby shower? You fucking asshole, you think? You think I would ever attend something like that after what she's done to me? Fuck you, Tierna. Fuck you. And he starts this grab-in for hoses and cables by the- by the hose and cable part, not where they go into ports. Starts ripping them out of the wall. He's like, where's that pencil?

Crap, I left it on my desk. The bedside confession continues in a pretty detailed manner like, Tierna goes into how exactly Susca died and what exactly happened to him and where that baby's gonna go when it's all over. And none of it is good. Tierna was down with Susca so when they killed her, he had to bribe the guards to try and escape. He had a problem on his shuttlecraft. He inhaled some nasty fumes hence his critical condition.

But you go to a still like, spidey senses stay tingling. This is still a sesca adjacent situation. So he asked the doctor, hey, what about running a lie detector on this guy? Yeah. He kind of flicks the bag on the stand next to the bed and he's like, can we shoot anything into this?

Maybe start getting some truthful answers from this guy? What are we talking about? Some sodium pinecone tithol. Yes, yes, that is what it's called. You're bringing your best stuff on the season finale, Ben. Hey, I didn't save anything for the swim back, you know. A greatest-gen live show is something you don't want to miss. Why? Well, it's a great opportunity to see me and Ben in person, but that's not all. FODs from all over gather at these shows to cosplay, to do pre and post-show hangs, to make friends, and share their embarrassment.

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It's trust that verify, right? Because an engineering, they're checking out the debris from the case on shuttle and Time after time like none of the evidence they're finding from tier-ness story is Questionable like everything's kind of lining up. This is what we call an origin of evidence There is a really fun shot here in the scene where we get a slow whip pan between Chico T B LLT, and Kim. Yeah.

I love this shot. This is big fun. They can't rule out that this guy is lying, but also like everything he's saying is like so fucking plausible. Yeah. The one little fiddly thing is that there's something weird about this guy's blood

that they haven't been able to figure on, and they can't administer a lie detector test because they don't have baseline data for D-quad aliens, which I think is a very fun bit of world building. But they're gonna have to go with it for now. The doc is like, I would need dozens of case on to do why incisions on, to really get an understanding

of what we're working with here. So if maybe you could fill up the morgue with them, that would, that would help a great deal. If we could somehow get lots and lots of case ons onboard the ship and then have reason to murder all of them. Yeah. What you need to really sell the idea that Tierna is, is helpful in this case is like an over generous gift of intelligence.

And we get one of those in a meeting list. They have another McLaughlin group. Is you too. And Tierna is there kind of giving them the command codes to Starship Reliant. He's got some great visual aids during his presentation. He seems to have a good familiarity with the tech, which I found suspicious. Like, he's up there just hitting buttons, showing his visual aids there. He brought his own, like, Bluetooth presentation clicker, but, you know, it's better than the one that they had for the sash.

He throws away a line about the K's on defense net, and the code is like, well, how about we get that code? That would be helpful. And then he just drops the code there. Tearness like, hey, here it is. So the combination is one, two, three, four, five. And with that defense net code, they are able to reveal all of the case on ships in the area, on the path that they need to take to pick up that baby. This is a great magic trick, right? The code is entered, the ships appear, and the only problem left at this point is that all of the ships that they've revealed using this code are unaffiliated with any sect, so they are practically feral with aggression out there,

which kind of makes them even more dangerous. They encounter another case on Shuttle, and this one is not a drift. This one is attacking and It's pretty quick a little bit of combat like there the shuttle is no match for them But it gets one gut punch in and then kind of goes away and Jane was like cool I have some other stuff to do now. I'm leaving the bridge. I am hungry for delicious delicious vegetable broth I am hungry for delicious, delicious vegetable broth. I am interested in having my soul stared into by the creepiest eyes aboard the ship. And I can't do that on an empty stomach.

These drive-by skirmishes are going to be a thing that happens throughout most of the rest of the episode here. This is just the first. So Jane Wayne, two of us go down to meet with Souter. And he is excited to see Jane Wayne. And he's first date nervous here. His first date nervous, his place is kind of a wreck because he is so focused on his botany work. Mr. Souter, are these tax documents on the table?

I didn't know you needed so many crumpled up Kleenex to do botany. I thought we told you, as part of your house arrest, we will be doing your taxes. So I will just take these materials. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, makes a misstep saying that he wants some chemicals and equipment without being more specific. Yeah. Chemicals and equipment don't sound like something you want to give this dude.

So she says like, I'm going to give it a think over. I'm going to go borrow Chico Tei's Bindle and really examine my own mind on this issue. And he wants an answer now. It's like you're a kid and you're asking your parents for something and they say, we'll talk about it later and let you know. That is not satisfying.

It's not. He really freaks out. Then what's the problem? Why won't you give me an answer? Mr. Souter. In the hallway, Tuvac asks Jane Wei what the deal was with the chemicals. And she's like, run a search for the chemicals

with any luck they're exotic. He's M. Hahaha. Is M.O. is that he's good? When he combined that orchid with that other orchid, he didn't have to move on to the air pottocks bake because at that point, what's the difference? Oh, this is a withering look that Tuva gives Brad Duriff on the way out.

Like disappointed dad. Mm-hmm. I went through the work of bringing you to my workplace on bringing your child to work day, and you embarrassed me in front of the boss. What the hell? That's what we're trying to figure out. Sucks. In the captain's log, we get the idea that they're just swatting away

these K-Zone Raiders like so many flies. But one interesting thing about their attack is that they've been concentrating their fire on a certain part of the ship. And I mean, it's not an important part of the ship, but it's still concerning that all of what we were told are disparate K-Zone ships with no relationship to each other have chosen to coordinate their fire on a part of the ship.

So no one likes that. Genoa says that we're being pecked to death by ducks. Which I love. They're rare, non-space animal that gets referenced here. We really needed a Beverly Crusher to be like, why don't we look at this from the duck's perspective? And the duck is like, yes, so the Hva midr is like throwing so much bread into space? Neil brings some soup to Mr. Souter, but after his blowup with the captain, Mr. Souter is in no

mood to keep eating. And when he finds out that it's a Leola root soup he's like is it pecant this time? Nelix? It wouldn't be pecant would it? You know Nelix I heard you got your pecant soup in New York City. New York City! Hey Nelix how about some duck soup given the fact that we're being pecked to death right now? Three men and one woman are trapped in the building, send a helping once. If he can't send a helping two more women.

Coffee, black, make it yourself. I'm trying to help you see this as an opportunity to grow. Make it yourself. Red alert calls Nelix away because the pecking continues a pace. Yeah. In Six Bay, the doc continues to work on Tierna. And Tierna is not an easy patient to deal with. Tierna seems to be able to move around on the ship and within six bay without being challenged at all. That isn't till Chicoete enters the scene who I thought I was like, why is Chicoete going to six bay? I was like, oh yeah, he's there to talk to Tierna. Like, there's no other reason for him to be there. And he turns this scene into a classic much in the same way that Chico Te punch that guy in the face. Yeah. In the in the mess hall, like he comes

very close to punching Tyrna in the face here. He's like, you're lucky as fuck that this is a federation ship and not a make-way ship, you motherfucker. The doc takes some unbridge with the violence here and kicks them the fuck out. Yeah. So they're coming up on the big scary group of ships. They've really taken a ton of gut shots from all these littler, case on attacks, but now it's go time and they need to get their hollow projectors in their scattering fields ready to make it look like a lot of tolaxians are helping them out. And the case on are sort of presenting in a cardacian style formation. They're attacked formation as a classic cardacian echelon, which sort of

implies that probably SESC is behind this whole thing. They're coming at them in one of those elongated Sunday spoon configurations that you use for a dessert. This formation sort of implies that there's one path of escape, which they know is not where they wanna go. So they trigger the hollow emitters and it starts to cause some of the qu-Zone to lose their nerve and bug out, but we get a pretty long, sustained

space combat sequence here with the Voyager trading shots with K-Zone ships. At one point, instead of a holographic Tlaxian ship, the dock is beamed into space. is beam into space. Wouldn't you like fucking finally we're getting exterior shots? It seems like they were talking about shooting other ships for a long, long time in this episode before we actually saw it happen. Yeah, but I feel like they kind of saved their powder for this, you know, like these moments are there's a lot of cutting around to the outside here and these are, those are probably expensive shots to do in this era.

Before flipping on the hollow ships, the dock has a kind of atom-style pre-tour freakout where he's not sure if he's ready or if the plan is going to work or if there are enough jokes and, and BLT kind of side eyes him and he's like, look, the tour is happening, what do you like it or not? It's booked. People buy tickets, they got to go. Yeah. You really don't have any choice in the matter anymore. Yeah. One thing that goes on during this combat sequence is we get a close-up on a foot where the owner of that foot is peeling off the toenail. This is Tierna. Tierna's toenail is the detonator. Tierna himself is a bomb. This upset me so much because when they beam strangers a bored voyager,

I think the first thing you do is run them through a scanner, take off their shoes, take all their personal belongings, run them through a separate scanner, make sure you run your hands inside their belt line for some reason. Really make them feel like there is a real security apparatus there. You take a ball peen hammer to each one of their fingernails and toenails just to make sure those are legit. Yeah, I think you need to check the legitimacy of the nails and nail beds straight out. No one did that. And this is on two vach, isn't it? This is his job. I guess so. I mean, it seems like a very innovative

technique. Like somebody set him up the bomb, Adam. Yeah. And I don't blame him. This one got past the goalie, but a shot of Tyrna like swelling up before exploding is really gross. And then it becomes clear that his state room is right next door to where it's understays. And he explode. This knocks out power all over the ship. This is bad news bears. Are we aware of a case on deity in any way up until now because I want to call attention to a choice that

this episode makes to show Tierna Onesnese in a form of like worship to a deity before doing the deed. That is definitely coded in a way. But I don't know if we have that backstory to the case on or if this is a creative decision made to expedite our understanding of what's to come. Like the foreshadowing of an enemy person being captured, doing a prayer thing, apropos of nothing suggests what happens later in a way that isn't motivated in universe. Like this is like what we know about extremism and extremist religions. And it's up to us to project that onto Tirena here.

Did you feel any of that kind of vibe? Well, if you listen really closely to what he's muttering, he's actually saying, oh man, I think I forgot to separate my lights from my darks in the last load of laundry I did before I left. And then he blows up. The funnest part of tierna suicide here is that he gets really big first before exploding, right?

I got a boom boom. I got a boom boom. The ship isn't really bad, Jake. This is when Paris is like, hey, so maybe time to call in the tolaxian cavalry. Yeah. Should I go hop on a shuttle and see if I can't slip past the goalies?

Am I making any sense here? As soon as Janeway's voice starts to drop into a whisper, Paris knows the score. He's like, I need to get the hell off of this ship. Yeah. All is lost, man. Like they've lost power, they've lost sensors. The shields are going down.

The ship is being boarded. Janeway is attempting to persuade the computer to let herself destruct it, but the auto destruct is even out. I love this reveal, right? That's what it was all about. That's the payoff. The secondary command processors

won't allow Janeway to whisper the ship to death. Yeah. Do you think Paris thought about going to warp 10? Oh, I mean, the tillax, if he showed up looking like an axelot, all the tillaxians would have cooked him. I love the bee dunks takes here in the shuttle, like like squinting and bobbing around through the firefight. It's big fun. This is really bad. And when we get that exterior shot of the ship surrounded by K-Zone, I was like, make the cliffhanger here. I was like, this is as good as it's going to get end the episode here. And let's go into next season like this. Yeah. That's it I wanted, because I was not confident that the cliffhanger to come would be more cliffhanger than this.

Would be a taller cliff than this. Of course, it's long dead. You're dead. You're dead. Listen to me, don't be careful, because I'm a man to see this once. Instead we come back from commercial, and on to the bridge marches Kulla and Seska with baby arms and the crew are like on their knees at phasor point.

Chico take gets to meet the baby for the first time. You gotta see the baby. Seska's got a couple of breast pumps going and everyone on the bridge is like, it's fine. It is a natural thing. There's nothing to get upset about here Calla doesn't like it one bit though. No. Calla goes straight Archie bunker With his dialogue here for a couple of minutes. He really flies off the handle

He not only goes Archie bunker verbally. He straight up back hands Janeway to the face in straight up back hands, Janeway to the face in an upsetting kind of violence for all of the conventional ways, but also violence against the Starfleet Captain is not commonplace. Yeah, it's a rare moment for the bad guys to get this close to the captain. Yeah. We cut around a lot of a lot of dour faces, TuVoc is pretty humiliated, I think. I'm letting this happen. I mean, they knew that they were flying into a trap, but the trap was too well laid, I guess.

He heard Ensen Kim say something about TuVic's probably being able to do a better job here if you were still around, and that's got to sting. Ensen Kim got on their special two-vocta-kim radio and just said that. Oh, I promised I'd tell the junior officers. So they get all heard it off the bridge. They're going to be, I'll put in a cargo bay and some scenes of case on shoving people down corridors and roughing people up. It feels bad and the visual language is so interesting here. on shoving people down corridors and roughing people up.

It feels bad and the visual language is so interesting here. It feels very like prison camp movie, very, it's very fucked up and upsetting. And we get a couple of little vignettes in here. One is of the doctor putting himself on like a 12 hour timer to disappear so that the case on won't really be aware of him. We know he can't feel time when he's turned off, right? He always seems to pop up, you know, surprised at his circumstances or at the passage of time that has happened between on and off.

Like, this is going to be like being in a coma, but except you don't feel it, right? Like you're just blinking and you're awake again. It's like a certain type of time travel. I want a dox day episode. Okay. Dear Commander Maddox, fuck you. I heard what you tried to do to data. Frankly, from my perspective, you can eat a bag of dicks.

We get one other vignette, which is of a case on opening the busted up room right next to where Teerna blew himself up, which is Brad Deriv's room. And nobody is there. So they'll get hurted down to the cargo bay and color takes the ship down into the atmosphere of a planet that when they bring it up on view screen looks like a real shitty place to get to the moon. It's a lot of lava. There's a lot of smoke. We get stock video of the Mount Kilaue of volcanic eruption.

They turn on the view screen and it's a dionetics commercial. But when they actually sat down, it's just like the San Gabriel Valley, right? Yeah. I was really impressed at how good the case on were at landing the ship. And Kala is totally enthusiastic about what just happened.

We've got a big win just now. Really did. This is one of the examples of an answer to a question we've had for a long time, which is like, how good at science and other things do you need to be in Starfleet versus what you can just ask a computer to do for you? Right. Because Kull is giving orders, his other case honor doing the work, but all he's really doing is like, make way for landing. Secure thrusters.

Right. Yeah, no, I mean, and his laugh is so not like arch villain. Yeah. Mustache twirl laugh. It's like, I can't believe that actually worked. Yeah. He seems to be having fun and you like that. Yeah.

It kind of humanizes him. My very name is racist. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure this is a moment that made color all right with you. I mean, I'll never forget him for hitting Janeway, but I guess much like you being okay with the Native American consultant. This is a scene that redeemed color in your eyes. This whole episode has really been about redemption for me. On the surface of the planet, the crew is herded together.

Their combatges are taken, and they're left to fend for themselves. This seems to be where the Federation rubber meets the Makewies road, though. Because as soon as Janeway starts giving orders, I started to get very nervous about if a fracture were possible, and Janeway seems to recognize the danger of that. She takes it upon herself to be the morale officer instead of Nelix Nelix is off kind of in a snip by himself going like fuck. I really gambled on the wrong deal here They separate out in the little groups to gather things and imagine taking orders from Nelix because Nelix is made to be one of the leaders

Delta team with me. Nobody wants to be on Delta team leading real star fleets here. Oh Nobody wants to be on Delta Team. Leading real Starfleets here. Oh! Yeah, he's like, they gave me one bath and I just fell for their whole fucking line. And now I'm fucking maroon with these idiots. You know, I'd really rather be looking for water instead of more fucking flowers. Now look what she's got nothing to do. This planet is seismic.

There are dinos. There are caveman's and they have to watch the ship take off with those caveman's from the ground pretty bleak moment that's not the last moment though because back on the ship the dock pops back up in an empty six bay we push through a wall in an empty six bay, we push through a wall, find lawnsuiter, like sharpening a fucking stick, ready to kill. And he turns to the camera and he says, I'm not trapped on this shit with the case on. and just eject him out into space. And finally, the last shot of the app is Janeway squinting into the sun as her ship departs in front of her.

And Chicoete sidles up next to her and Janeway says, my God, Chicoeté, what have I done? And Chicoeté says, he did what you always do. He tried to blow up the ship, except it didn't work this time. You fucked up, Captain. You put coffee before the safety of your crew. There's coffee in that self-destruct sequence. And that's the cliff.

That's the taller cliff. The cliff is even taller than you thought it could be. This is an appropriately tall cliff here. Did you like this episode, Adam? Justin, come on. You and I love the U.S.S. Come on, Dylan. Come on. You and I love the U.S.

Come on, Dylan. I love the end of this episode almost as much as I love the entire episode. I thought this was great. It was it was breathlessly paced. It was over before I knew it. So densely compressed with story, the stakes couldn't have been higher. And I love making a season finale just as hopeless as possible. And this really feels like that. You don't even need to see the Chrome agnons up on the rock line. Like you don't need the threat of alien attack on the planet service to see how bleak this is. There's nothing there. It's bad news bears. I can't believe we have to wait an entire summer to find out what happens. Lieutenant Downer. Take your

team to the other side as far away from us as possible. Lieutenant South American soccer team, go with him. Make your group step singing Ave Maria for just a moment. What about you, Ben? What a great end to such a great season. I just feel like season two has been such a high percentage of killer and such a low percentage of filler. And this really ended it right. I feel very lucky that we don't have to wait

an entire summer. This felt like, I don't think anybody, anything could ever get to Best of Both Worlds part one level ending. But this is as close as you could get for this series, I think. But Adam, do you wanna see if any of the P1s in our inbox rise to the level of Best of Both Worlds, part one? Alright. Priority one message from Starfleet coming in on Secured Channel.

Need a supplement on that. A supplement? A supplement. A supplement. Yeah, it's extra. The interest alone could be enough to buy this ship. Adam, we have a couple of P1s here. The first one is of a promotional nature, it goes like this. Friends of DeSoto and all comic lovers everywhere.

Shopping for Superman is a documentary that explores the history and impact of comic shops and discovers their role in compadding censorship, providing safe spaces for fringe groups, and becoming the greatest champion of childhood and adult literacy. Follow ShoppingForSuperman.com slash film to view the first 15 minutes of the film. Follow us on most of the socials and go fund me at shop number four soup doc. That's a shop, the number four SUPEDOC. We could use some scarves, but sharing helps too. Excelsior! I always try to make a point of supporting all indie documentaries

whenever I encounter them. So I've got a lot of love for the craft here and for West Easton's message about their documentary. Yeah, that sounds like a really cool subject matter and something we can really get behind. So thanks for the promotional P1 and I hope folks will support shop for soup doc. Yeah, watch those first 15 minutes. Ben our second priority when message is of a personal nature

It's from Tommy from Philadelphia and it's to Ben and Adam message. Hey, that's us the message goes like this I have so much gratitude for you both 2020 was tough But while rewatching DS9 my colleague Connor introduced me to your pod, I was busting and started it all over to follow along. And in parentheses, always at one x speed, hell yeah. From two cheese mongers and friends of DeSoto to two westcoes, Shimotas, thank you. And you'll always have food and a bathroom in Philadelphia. Man, I want to get some of that nice cheese.

Tommy, you don't know what you've offered me in the form of that bathroom. It's too much! Adam has the upper hand now. Especially if you're giving me cheese also, forget it. Yeah, that sounds great. We'll definitely take you up on that if we're able to get back to Philly anytime soon. Yeah, Tommy, offer us some Johns right away. Adam, our final P1 today is from M and it's to Nige.

Think, hope I'm pronouncing that correctly. Goes like this, my SP, you're even cuter than a crumble B. A crumbly, bumbly bee. Happy five year anniversary, my love. I really did get the best husband in all the quadrants. Now get this cheese to sick bay. Five year anniversary. Is the crumbly, bumbly, bumbly, bumbly anniversary, right?

That's, yeah, that's, on my fifth anniversary, I was compelled to give my wife a box of bumblebees. Crumbly bumblebee specifically and she did not like that gift. Yeah, my wife is very traditional and I did not know about the crumbly bumblebee bumblebees and she was really mad at me that I kind of blew it. We really blew it in opposite ways didn't we? Yeah, I hope that Tommy from Philadelphia has never had to take cheese to six bay.

Yeah, that stuff can really mess up a ship. That cheese is for us, Ben. Yeah, so happy anniversary, Nige and M. Thanks for listening, Tommy, and the Go Support West Easton's documentary, Shopping for Superman. Yeah. A bunch of great examples of different kinds of P1s that you can get by going to MaximumFund.org slashjemple.tron. You know, I'm really easy to get along with most of the time.

But I don't like bullets, I don't like friends, and I don't like you. I love this too. Hey Adam. Tap in. Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? Drunk Shimoda! I didn't think it was gonna be him early in the episode, but I'm compelled to give Shimoda status to almost pre-Shimoda status to Brad Duriff's character,

Lon Souter. Like, he becomes the chaos agent toward the end, the payoff to the chaos is coming. Yeah. In the beginning, it seemed like there was no chaos available to him. He stuck in his room. He's being disallowed from participating in so much.

But once we see him and the Jeffries tube, chaos rains. I'm gonna give it to the doc for getting beamed out into space. Seems like they do have the holographic technology to get him out of six bay. Yeah. By accident. I thought they should have made him big though.

Make him ship sized. That would have been fun. But I'm a, yeah, that was like, if they made him ransom sized out there, wouldn't that be fun? He's growing fast. Price for Grammage. I think the reason I want him to be, Shemura is that that moment seemed so random. Like when it happened, I was like, oh no, like they're gonna start having casualties

and no doctor to help them because he's like caught in the matrix on the surface of the ship or something like that. Yeah. No, he was just out there for a minute and got to like do a little performative whaling and now he's back, it's fine. Yeah, no problem.

Ha ha ha ha. So that was why he was my drunk Shemura. We're going to need to go to Gach.bizslashgame to find out in what way we will be doing this first episode of this next season. And then we'll see what happens next. And then we'll see what happens next. And then we'll see what happens next. And then we'll see what happens next. And then we'll see what happens next. And then we'll see what happens next. And then we'll see what happens next.

And then we'll see what happens next. And then we'll see what happens next. And then we'll see what happens next. Yeah, that's true. Are we going to need to go to gach.bizslashgame to find out in what way we will be doing this first episode of this next season, which is called season 3 episode 1 basics, part 2. While the crew fights for survival on a primitive planet, a lone crew member battles the case on to take back Voyager. Is this the most unimaginative episode title series ever? What does this have to do with? I guess it has to do with basics. I don't know.

Getting back to it. Yeah, returning to. Yeah, I don't know. I hope the reveal is what a great title basics is in part two. Yeah, because at this point, I don't get it. Well, I'm gonna give us a role here on the board of the game of buttholes. The will of the caretaker. If I roll a six, we will hit a cocoa no-no. That's the only thing I can see that we could hit So we are on square 40 you're required to learn as you play Roll that's hope for a big number. Yeah

We got a big-ish number and I'm I rolled a five all right This on square 45 regular old episode next week. Wow. Continuing our pretty regular run here on the greatest generation. I can't always say that. Yeah. Glad to be doing it professionally, if not digestively. It's nice to get it when you can, you know. Speaking of regularity, the regular support that we received for this show is the reason we're able to continue to do it

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