The Greatest Generation - Speaking of Feet (S3E8)

Episode Date: August 3, 2016

When the Enterprise plays host to a ‘hole’ auction, Riker gets in on the action, leaving Troi to be pursued by Lloyd Braun. It isn’t long before he’s creepily touching her hair. Is a deep vee and a male gaze the only sure way to attract 24th century women? How do you bang in a bunkbed shuttle? Can Riker’s dog be bigged? It’s the episode that turns a previously three dimensional character into a flat one!

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I'm Adam Prennicka. Welcome to the show, Adam. Hey, thanks, Ben. Do you have any bits planned for the show? I don't. I spent the weekend on a boat. Yeah. And it was great. I wanted to I wanted to disclose something to you that I think you might appreciate. Our listeners might appreciate. And literally no one else in my life would appreciate, which is, this is a boat that could be considered a yacht,

even by some boaters. It's pretty big. It's a sort of boat with a fly bridge up top, the upper bridge area, the Fupa, the upper bridge, the fat upper bridge area, the Fupa, the upper bridge, the fat upper bridge area. And I found myself always standing to the right of the captain in a riker like Pose. You were rikering around a little bit. I had kind of a riker's weekend on this boat. Did you ever get to the left and find yourself

trying to tell the captain that somebody was lying? I was tugging at the front of my jacket a lot. I was leaning up against walls wherever possible. Yeah. Oh, I was eating things by holding things up over my face and then dropping them into an out. Did you find yourself sporting a full beard? To the degree that I can sport one, yes. Nice. I did not shave for the weekend, but you likely wouldn't notice. Okay. Okay. for the weekend, but you likely wouldn't notice. I was wondering by saying that if you,

in either your day-to-day life or your recreational life, you act as if any of our beloved characters from the show. Do you ever draw on them for strength, Ben? There is a Twitter account that's called like Picard Management Tips or something like that. And I think it's like semi-comic, but also sometimes just some real shit that Picard is great at as a manager. And I don't have a lot of cause to manage people, but I have a couple of interns right now and I don't think that, you know, like, I don't... So, if you have a bunch of interns, you don't want to use Riker management tips.

No, yeah. And there's certain things in Picard's toolbox that you probably want to leave at the door as well. But I think that projecting an air of authority is something that Picard is great at that I am not. And I would aspire to that. And I don't know, I guess I always think about whether, you know, like most bosses in shows are bosses on suspicious grounds and are like capable of being you know, having their reputation starnished and Picard is pretty pretty much there because he's

the best man for the job and it's not haunted by his past or anything. So I like to feel So I like to feel like that in itself is a management tip. Feeling some self-confidence and what I do professionally is, I guess, maybe something I take from the show. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I think what you're saying makes me think that, like, this is a science fiction fantasy show where spaceships shoot at other spaceships and like that is something exciting to fantasize about but like there's also the other end which is like the fantasy of being a great person a person better than you are reality and there are many characters on the show that I feel that way about

like wouldn't it be great if you were that poised or that cool? It's kind of an interesting I mean I would say that most things that imagine a future in which you have everything you want at your back and call, imagine awful people living in that kind of environment. Like, you think about like the people in Wally, they're terrible and you know, disinterested in their own lives. Yeah, and this is a, you know, a post-scarcity utopian future

in which people actively work to better themselves. And that's a pretty optimistic idea, but I like a lot. Yeah, and it seems like people can grow beards pretty much at will, and that's something that I agree with, my or two. Yeah, or put it an extra 12 inches of their beautiful red locks on. Yeah, in the doctor's case. Anytime. anytime. Let's turn it on over to season 3 episode 8, the price. A title which I guess has to do with the price of doing business, did you? Were you able to tie this in anywhere? Ben with the story? I guess so. The episode starts with Troy getting into her quarters at the end of what we can assume is a long day. She's a little wiped out.

She's trying to get the replicator to make her some chocolate ice cream. The computer's totally like replicator shaming her. Like she wants a fucking ice cream and it's like telling her that that's you know not going to be fitting within the nutritional standards that have been set for this unit and you're going to get me to override if you want to. The computer's like can that leotard really take on another dish of chocolate ice cream? Yeah, that's some sexist bullshit right there. Yeah, it's pretty rough. Fuck you computer Bad day is like for Troy though. Listen to people's bullshit problems Maybe I mean I can imagine having a long day in her job, you know

You probably got a couple of kids who've lost a lost a parent on an away mission. You probably got like from 9 to 11, you got some slick backs to talk to. Yeah, you've got some some people in the engineering department who are traumatized by trying to fuck things on the holiday and realizing what they were, what was slick in there, wasn't a hologram. Cause they got in there right after Riker. I mean, that was... Why is my holodeck warm? That would be really upsetting. Yeah.

So yeah, so she's like, just trying to get settled in and she gets that hated phone call from Picard going like, hey, why don't you come party with us? Kind of not optional. Yeah. And she tries to get out of it by saying, I don't have anything to wear. And it says like throwing any old thing and get your ass up here. And so she gets up there and it's a little reception in 10 forward for a bunch of delegates who are going to all put in bids for a wormhole that has been discovered. So this is our first introduction to the idea that there's lots and lots of the galaxy that just aren't accessible by the federation because they're so far away.

It's like 100 years at warp nine type of distances. Right. Just interesting, right? I think that there's a couple of like TOS episodes where they hit warp nine and they're like leaving the galaxy relatively quickly. And I think this kind of resets the scale of the galaxy relative to the speed that the ships can go to, like, there's still a lot out there that is inaccessible. And that's interesting.

And this wormhole is a very valuable natural resource if that is the case. Right. And what makes this one special is its predictability. It's like the, what's that geyser in Yosemite? It's old faithful. Old faithful. I think that's in Yellowstone, Adam.

People think it's a geyser that goes off every two hours or whatever, and it's predictability gives it all this value, right? If you know when to catch the bus, and the bus is always going to be there, and it's always going to the same place, this is mass transit for the galaxy, and everyone wants on. And so they stand there looking out the front windows of 10 forward and they see this huge space but hole open up And then close and then she gets to meet the cast of characters that have shown up and there's a uh There's a guy named Seth Mendoza from the Federation. Please, I just see you again, council attorney. There is a guy with a lot of shit on his face a lot of There is a guy with a lot of shit on his face, a lot of meatloaf on his face. They all are the Caldonians, right?

He's got lobster hands in a seven-hit. And then there is this real handsome devil named Devonone Rao. To a cream no sugar. What is Lloyd Braun doing here? Who is there to negotiate for another alien race that isn't present, that didn't bother to design any of these aliens? My good friend Raul is the best-hired gun in the business. Hired gun? My good friend Mendoza means that I'm a negotiator

who serves a variety of clients This particular occasion I represent the Quasalean and Raul is really reading from that Joriel of Forge playbook Bucking seriously like he does a lot of staring Yeah, I mean he's also playing from the Riker playbook. I guess Why is a cool one Riker does it though? I don't know. It just is. Like the male gaze works for him. Yeah.

In a way that it doesn't for Jordi. But when you pair a male gaze with a deep V, I think that's the winning combination. Sure. When it's just gaze or just V, I don't think you win. That's what Jordi is missing. He has no gaze at all. I just figured it out.

Whoa. No gaze. That's what Jordi is missing. He has no gaze at all. I just figured it out. Whoa. No gaze. That's heavy. He needs a V that goes down and then around the back. That's how much of a V he needs. Yeah. This episode I think more than any we've yet seen, maybe, or as much as any we've yet seen anyways, demonstrates how gross the writers of this show must be when it comes to being around women and their thoughts about how courtship works, because it is like the first like the first several beats of Troy's relationship with this guy, Raul, are so fucking stomach-journing. Like it's a lot of him like putting his hand on her hair uninvited and like he just comes on so strong and it's like it's hard to imagine that Troy doesn't like hit him

with some mace and kick him out of her apartment. Yeah, it feels like they stack scenes this way where I'm imagining the writer's room is like cackling about how great it would be if women thought this way. Yeah. Like, it's, it's, this is out of the fantasy woman playbook. Yeah.

And I just find it so like, I think that Troy at this point is a character that has some dimensionality to her character. Like, I think that obviously the, the female roles on the show are not as well written as the male roles, but it's like she is a three-dimensional person in the show and suddenly she is just a sex object and it's so weird to see it done after they've spent so much time attempting to develop all of these characters to just flatten one out for an entire episode. Yeah, and I want to be really clear with this description.

He doesn't do anything to earn the intimacy that he achieves with her, and I want to really put quotes around earn. First of all, he rushes right into Troy's quarters after they meet. They have sort of a meet cute I guess where they just stare at each other. And then he just sort of walks into recorders, puts his hand all over her hair. Yeah, she's on Anstress, through John Cominer in her quarters and he like barges in and she's like, oh, it was just looking up some personnel and she was totally looking him up. So like I guess that sort of plants the idea that she was into him, but like, I think

even if she was, the way he behaves in this scene would turn anybody off. Okay, I guess the way I really want to say it is, like, he doesn't earn it as a character. Right. Like, there's no, it just doesn't make any sense that he would walk to her quarters. She would let him in, and then he's messed up her hair. Right. So that's how it goes. You never do. You never do leave. The office. What a shush. Yeah, and it's, I mean, perhaps just the efficiencies that need to be brought to bear in a television drama that only has an hour to get its story out of the way, but just doesn't work.

And this is emblematic of the whole episode I thought. Like this is, they had time to build this character a little bit. Like they, that's 15 minutes attention spread over 45 minutes of show. Like it's just a little thin. Right. This is becoming a speech. Yeah, the cat comes from. Very insightful.

Hmm. A little type that rambulant about something everyone knows. The negotiations open up and some Franky's show up and they're pissed off that they never got invited to the negotiations to begin with. And the prime minister or whatever of the planet is like, yeah, like they can come. We don't, you know, if they want to bid, like we're not turning anybody away. And the deal with this planet is that it's like a real dump. Like it's something that Jordi would be negging the shit out of if they ever showed it.

Yeah. But, and they don't have any natural resources. So this, the score, the score, the score, the score, the last episode. The score, the whole is a big come up for them. They finally have something that they can use to get some stuff.

They're essentially auctioning off the licensing rights to the wormhole. Whoever wins this negotiation is going to be the authority that controls access to the wormhole and, I guess guess therefore trade and stuff. And it's unclear like I guess the Federation wants it for like purely you know scientific and curiosity reasons because the Federation has plenty of resources. But the friend gear there and they see they see a dollar in it and the other aliens that are there are like by turns a research oriented species and a just kind of generally piece oriented species, or just who Raal represents. And so like there's just a lot of

like shenanigans about the different delegates and eventually the Ferengi use some tricky really the Ferengi use some tricky handshake gag on the Federation ambassador that causes him to get super sick and Riker has to switch hit and take over negotiation on behalf of the Federation. And it's just, it's like, you know, high tension about who's going to win this wormhole. And Troy is kind of caught in the middle of it because she's a colleague of Rikers, a citizen of the Federation, and a friend of Rikers. But Raal is there sweeping her off of her feet totally unaccountably and is the kind of favorite to win.

And he thinks that Riker is his biggest competitor for this. Speaking of feet, there is a comeback from commercial on this episode where it's just a close up of one of Troy's feet being rubbed with salad dressing. And. They don't cut away for this for like two or three minutes. one of Troy's feet being rubbed with salad dressing. And- They don't cut away for this for like two or three minutes. Like it's on-

I was going to say, like it is a real world 30 seconds of close up on a foot. And like on an emergency blanket, it's amazing. It's the kind of shot that like in an animated thing would maybe make sense because they could just loop the hand rubbing up and down the foot a couple times, drop in some dialogue. They don't have to go to the trouble of animating the lip sync or, you know, the more complicated shot in that scene. In a live action thing, this is pretty insane. As when I saw it, I immediately laughed and then I became horrified that this could become the next Bill Tilly hollow card. I mean, I'm going to leave that up to him, but God, what a really unique scene in this season.

Dead Troy foot though. Yeah, and like this is emblematic of all the moves that Raoul puts on her. Like, it's some weak shit. It's like running your hands through her hair, rubbing on some feet and toes. And it's another thing that just sort of belongs in that what a writer's room must think

it takes to sweep a woman off her feet playbook? Like, who are these animals in this fucking writer's room right now? Like, given that some of the true heights that have been achieved so far in season three, like, I mean, the last episode is so good in so many ways, and then this is like, who are these turkeys? Like, what the fuck do they think is going on? I don't know. I don't know.

We've had three and a half seasons of character development for Troy, and it's all gotten her up to this point. Like, where all it takes is some hair petting and some foot rubs, and that's it. And so, she's enjoying this time with Raal. I mean, much to our consternation as of you are like, it's actually working. And she makes her to let her best friend Beverly Crusher know how her toes are being curled in one of

the weirdest, grossest... How would you describe this scene, Ben? Like, Foxy workout scene. I feel like they wrote this scene in reverse. Like, they wrote it from the perspective of how do we get Beverly and Troy into skin tight, tights, band X stretching around. We got to give them a reason. Oh, they've got to talk a boy. Yeah, like what is it gonna take for us to have Gates McFad and bending over in front of a mirror in which we can look up her butt basically. This episode is a real holocaust of sexism. I was about to suggest that maybe we were just jealous

of this guy like Mackin' Antroy and it working out. Like you hate the dude that the girl that you have a crush on in middle school lines up dating, kind of thing. But no, it's just, it's horrible. I feel like they shoot these make-outs different for her too. Like, whenever Riker beds an alien,

like, he'll winger around and turn her away from camera so that you can't really see she going down. Totally camera is in Troy's face every time. You get dirty singles with Troy like every time and you are just right up in that face. Like I feel like it's unfair. And the guy is using a lot of saliva in these kisses. When he pulls away, her mouth will be visibly wet. It's real nasty.

Oh, man. Yeah. That Lloyd Braun. Really lays it on her. Why can't Riker be more like Lloyd Braun? You have a cook more like Lloyd Braun So here's what's going on with the negotiation They're like concerned that the the barzan people who have claimed that this wormhole is this great great thing might not know what the fuck they're talking about because they

don't have manned space flight. Like all they've been able to do is shoot a probe into this thing and you know if you think about the probes that we shot when we didn't have manned space flight like worth being a little bit suspicious of. So they're gonna mount this operation where where Jordy and Data are gonna take a shuttle pod and go through the wormhole. And the Frankie catch wind of this and they flip out and they think it's so unfair. And they're like, fine, just take your own pod through or like we'll share all of the information we get

if you want to just look at our notes. And they're like, nope, we're taking our own pod. Nothing you can do about it. How did the Fringy pod game get so tight compared to the Federation? Like, Jordy and Data are in a twin size bunk bed out there. And the Fringy pod actually looks kind of badass. Yeah, it doesn't look terrible.

The shot of Jordy and Data in the cockpit through the front window of the pod is one of my favorite like laugh out loud. Like it's so funny that shot at them. They're like, they're really like shoulder to shoulder just wedged in there. And you know, like they have the pod up on like something where the a couple of grips can rock it back and forth when they're going through the through the wormhole. So much fun.

Why would they take the pod instead of a craft? Yeah, why not a Previa? Yeah. Maybe maybe they get a garage full of Previas. Why not take one of those? Maybe the sticker value on the Previa, like the blue book on the Previa is high enough that they don't want to risk it. So they throw a bunk bed out there. Maybe Wesley borrowed the Previa. If they burn that bunk bed, they can go get another one out of that key. That's true. they burn that bunk bed, like they can go get another one on that key like that. That's true. You know, obviously they're out there, priceless commander data and their, and their chief engineer, but, you know, I love this is a real interesting choice now that you bring it up.

Like, we're going to send our two guys into this wormhole and we're just going to cross our fingers that, that this thing goes where we think it's going to go. Why wouldn't the Federation shoot a super advanced probe to do their own follow-up? It's a great question. It seems like jumping right to a manned craft is, ooh, that's dicey. Pretty dicey, yeah. And so I think it just speaks to the value that they see in this thing, like it's worth the reach. Yeah.

So it's another opportunity for data to, uh, to potentially die. Yeah. Data wanted to stick his arm through. Like, Hey, data, why not your whole body? Yeah. Data is ongoing suicidal, hoki pokey. Exactly.

So they get through and they're, they're through there with the, what the franghi who are, you know, just bulligerant dickheads and they start to like pick up some weird, some weird readings on the wormhole. Data is picking some stuff up on the shuttle pod sensors, but Jordy is also seeing stuff with his visor and they they tell the Ferengi, like this is not quite what we thought it was gonna be. And it's behaving real weird over here on this side. You've got about 40 seconds to get back through this thing

because something strange is about to happen. And the Ferengi are filled with hubris and they tell them to go fuck themselves. So data and Jordi make it through just in the nick of time and the wormhole reappears and then like zips across space. And I guess also when they get through, they realize they're in the Delta quadrant, not the Gamma quadrant.

Yeah, they got on the wormhole subway and I thought they were getting off at one station. They checked the map and it turns out they're on 42nd Street. Yeah, yeah, they thought they were getting on the E, but they got on the A. They're very confused. Yeah, and the Ferengi are, the Ferengi just get off and they're like, this is our stop. We're going to stick around. And those dudes get lost in space. Yeah, they're not, this is our stop, we're gonna stick around. And those dudes get lost in space. Yeah, they're not listening to reason. There is an episode of Voyager

that catches up with these Ferengi, by the way. I'm not kidding. Really? Yeah, that's awesome. They like crash land on some planet and like, essentially turn it into their, into like a Fer a frankly outpost. It's a lot of fun.

God, what would it have been like if it had been swapped completely? If instead it were data and Jordy. You got chapped on the other side? Yeah, the most, the most ASPy planet of all time. Yeah. I mean, I think that data and Jordy would have been pretty cool actually, like on a, like, that's one thing that the Prime Directive would prevent is them, like,

inflicting their cultural values on whatever the local population is. Yeah. The Franky have no such moral compass, like they're, they're like, cool, we're going to crash land here, start setting up some fun fun profit times. Jordi and data sort of pre-visit this notion too in the pod. Jordi's like, man, I do not want to get stuck out here with you in this bunk bed. And data's like, well, look on the bright side, you'd have me to talk to. And there's like a super pregnant pause where Jordi is like actually sizing up how we would fuck data if left out on that ship long enough. Well, data is programmed in multiple techniques.

Yeah, I think they could find an accommodation. I think they could. Not allowed a room to move around in that shuttle pod though. Probably limited to a few positions. Yeah, that is like back at the Volkswagen level. Fuckin'. Yeah. Hahaha.

My love is, it's your people long and chill for that, which longer than us at the PC. How they go, you're not the boy yet. Braille has talked Meet Loaf guy out of being a competitor. He basically says like, I mean, I'd be a lot of work administering this, administering this wormhole. Your people are more interested in just doing research. Like, you're not gonna enjoy being in control of this thing.

He's like, yeah, you have a great point. All right, later. Yeah, lobster hands out of contention. Yeah, and at some point, he comes and tries to like, shit talk raker or like outmaneuver raker like raker is chilling out in 10 forward and raw comes and sort of tries to lord the fact that he's banging Troy over raker and This is like one of the only like great moments in this episode because raker goes

I thought you were a lot sharper than that. I bang everybody. I am not precious about the people that I bang. Like, I will bang you before you leave 10-forward. In fact, I've already banged you and you don't even know it. Yeah, you're gonna stand up and realize you're walking funny, Rawl. I couldn't help but notice the dog you tried to big me with.

Well I banged that dog also. They get back to the negotiating table. Lobster hands has gone. The frangie has no showed based on the missing pod. And so it's down to Riker and Rawl. And the red alert bell goes off and Riker's like, fuck, I gotta piece out and runs up to the bridge. And the Ferengier are trying to shoot missiles at the wormhole. And there's a fun shot here where

Wurf like bulls eyes the missile in space or the phaser. And there's a fun shot here where a wolf bulls eyes the missile in space or the phaser. And then did you notice the order of operations on that moment though? Like the missile gets shot by the Firingi Picard goes, wolf shoot that thing down and wolf goes, I'm putting it on screen and then he shoots it. I thought that was kind of a boss move. Like, check it out, guys. You're gonna wanna see this. Wurf like through a hula hoop in the air and then through a frisbee through it.

He's the cool guy at the dog park. Totally, trick shot Wurf. So, Rall comes on the bridge with the Prime Minister lady that's been conducting the whole negotiation and talks the Thorengi down off the ledge by saying, hey, I've just actually won the bidding, but I'll let you Thorengi make free use of the wormhole and we can like negotiate the terms of that and good faith later on.

And the Thorengi guy is like, all right, I'm cool with that. And Troy is like, wait a second, this is some bullshit because a minute ago, Raul told me in confidence that he is in fact an empath. He's in fact part's betasoid. He's been manipulating the shit out of everybody. And now he's lying because this Ferengi does not, in fact, have any stress in his head.

Neither does Raul. This is a, we are being shown to be a leader. Yeah, we're watching some people play acting. Yeah, and she's like, I'm done with you Rawl. Like, you came on strong. We had some hot bangs, but fuck you. And this is the moment when Riker reveals his dog to Rawl. And it's like, and sort of glutes and throws it in his face.

Yeah. It's pretty great. it in his face. Yeah. It's pretty great. He saves his dog for later. I think that's an important lesson. Right. Angelade. And... ...genre.

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Totally, and it's like all the worst because of how... If you look at the episode just before this, the enemy, there is a bunch of stuff going on that is so cool. The cinematography in it is great. Just the pacing, the way the episode opens is amazing. This episode is like, it feels like such a far backslide. I mean, Troy has less of a character in this episode than she did in season one, episode one, I feel like. Yeah, yeah, it's super gross. And when I was reading about the production of this episode,

everyone agreed that it looked great on paper. Like, this is a strong script. We were really excited to make it. And then, almost universally, everyone thought that it was a total misfire. Like visually, it's weird to read about that conflict between like the hope of a script and the reality of what it looks like on screen.

Yeah, I mean, we're applying all of our 2020 hindsight to this. Yeah. And I guess, I mean, I guess I can relate. I have lots of, I mean, my career is littered with projects that I thought would be better than they actually were. Sure, sure. You know, it's very rare that you do something as complicated as making an episode of a television show and everything is humming and perfect.

But you know. But in the same season that you get Picard several times, you know, able to succinctly describe the mission of humanity to other alien races, you get a scene with Crusher and Troy in the exercise room. Yeah. Talking about toe curling.

Like, it's amazing how great this show can be and how bad it can be all on the same breath. Yeah, that, that's seen like disqualifies Star Trek from ever passing the backdelt test ever no matter what. Right. Right. Hey, Ben. What's that Adam?

In a episode littered with Shimoda, did you find a single and best drunk Shimoda? Drunk Shimoda! Guess I'm just gonna have to go with the whole production. Like I'm gonna say that like the writers, the people that approved the script, the people that produced the episode, the people that approved the script, the people that produced the episode, the people that cast the episode, the director, like the music is weird, like I think that I have to say that Star Trek

is the drunk Shimoda in this episode. I didn't just destroy the episode. I destroyed every episode of Strach the next generation. Every episode everywhere. And then I inflated a sex style and I've been plowing away at that in the corner ever since. It's my punishment. We have no law to fit your crime.

Oh man, Kevin Oxbridge is my new favorite Star Trek character. I noticed you're getting a lot of praise for your impressions and I am getting none. I think that I like your impressions, Ben. I think I'm standing on your shoulders. I think that Your impressions have a subtlety that mine often don't and and you know, it's like how it's like how the in any like Comic duo the straight man never gets his due But in fact the one that's making the comedy work sure I. I think that's the honor that you have in this situation. Thanks, Ben.

Yeah, you know, my Shimoto was more clumsily articulated than yours, but I'm on the same team. Like, I think the series benefits from this episode being destroyed. And never mentioned again, there's nothing canonically that matters in this episode. I guess except for the Ferengi you say that show back up in a Voyager episode down the road. But like, is that is that critical to the story of Star Trek and the world of Star Trek?

I don't know. Maybe not. But I think there's a net bump if this episode is gone forever. Yeah. And so my Shimoda, I think, is the episode. Mm-hmm. Okay. I think we're kind of coming at the same point from two different angles. Yeah, we're definitely spit roasting our Shimoda here. Hahaha.

Hahaha. Hahaha. What do we have coming up next time? roasting our Shimoda here. Hahaha. Hahaha. What do we have coming up next time? It has to be better than this, right? Uh, yeah. Season 30 episode 9, the vengeance factor. The crew's attempts to mediate a violent dispute between warring clans are sabotaged by

a mysterious assassin. Do you remember this episode Adam? Nope. I feel like we're really in the dead zone of early season Star Trek where I'm not remembering anything at all about these episodes right now. And before I add there were there were little bits and pieces. Well let me let me try some clarifying Cosby on you and I'll see if I can jog your memory. Okay. You see, Theo, when a man has to bring peace to be lethal to all the other clans you see.

Oh, okay. So she's a poison girl. She is a poison girl who you would not want to put something in her drink, Fuji. Okay. Put something in hard drink. Oh, D Okay That that bring you back at all it makes me more interested in seeing it It does nothing for my recollection of the episode. I feel like everybody in this episode looks like they're in a hair metal band Cool. Yeah, okay. I'm down Down with this. I feel like there's also a lot of like 50 gallon oil drums with fire in them. Ooh.

A lot of like industrial decay sets, which are fun. They finally decided to spend some money after taking a couple episodes off. Yeah, I'm looking forward to this one. Yeah, me too. Sounds good. Well, if you'd like to talk about our upcoming episode, the episode we just reviewed or any of the other episodes that we've talked about, you can join the conversation on Twitter using the hashtag GreatestGen. I'm on Twitter as at CufferTime and Ben's over there as at BenjaminR, a. H. R. We're on Facebook as a

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