The Greatest Generation - Tantric Beowulf (VOY S1E11)

Episode Date: April 26, 2021

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Welcome to the greatest generation of Star Trek Podcasts by a couple of guys. Just a little bit embarrassed about having a Star Trek Podcast. I'm Adam Pranika. I'm Ben Harrison. We just got interviewed by a reporter for HotPod, the podcast industry newsletter. I felt very disappointed that we weren't interviewed by HotPodcaster, which is what I thought it was, and that's why I included so many pictures. Yeah, while all those Budwa photos wound up getting attached to the email.

Yeah, very disappointing. She was asking about our dynamic together. And I was like, I think that the thing that really drew me to joking around with Adam was that I could make a joke about a weird PBS show that almost nobody else I know would have seen. But I'll just drop a side long reference to that into a conversation with you and you will pick it up

and run with it in a way that is like incredibly impressive and satisfying. And I think that that's kind of what ruined us, like that is why the two of us, that's why the two of us had our minds poisoned and we went out into the world and started trying to make other people laugh, or their dumb bits. And we thought we had something to give to the world.

We did. I think the friends of the Soto are a rare breed that actually get what this is. But unfortunately, you and I don't always have great judgment about who will like a Chio Gavars and when. And there's been a lot less interaction with civilians for both of us over the last 12 months.

But it hasn't been an entirely bit-free pandemic for me. I've tried a bit or two and I thought maybe we could spend some time this maran talking about bad bit moments. Bits, bits, bits. No matter what you're always doing bits, bits, bits. You're always doing bits, bits, bits. I was doing bits. Bad bit moment. Bad bit moment.

Bad bit moment. Well, this is a bit of a cheat because it's a bit that didn't work with my wife, which is, you know, she'd just go without saying. She's a contract attorney and was working on a contract with a client. Her boss's name is Rubin and Rubin was getting mad at one of the parties to this contract because it seemed like they were dragging their feet, making it take longer than it needed to. They wanted more assurances than seemed reasonable to ask for on certain things. And my wife was like dealing with this and escalated it to her boss to let him know what was going on.

And I said, those guys better get their hands on some Russian dressing, because they're about to get a mouthful of Rubin. All I do is bits, bits, bits. No matter what! I wait for the laughter that I feel guaranteed to receive. And that you deserved. But I deserved and she said, who do you think that that impresses Ben? That's what she said.

Yeah. I would rather she say nothing than that. It was very, very, very, very, very, very, very, and I was like, tell Ruben, I said that. I think, I think Ruben will like it. Especially like that word, the impresses word. That's the most hurtful part. It's not that it wasn't funny to her.

It was that it didn't impress. Oh no. Yeah. It really smarts when your wife just flips it back in your face like that. You're such a reliably generous laffer too. I know this as one of the hosts of this show. Like, so generous you are.

I'm the sweet homes of laughing on this show. Even though most of what I say does not merit that kind of response, it always feels good. And it just doesn't seem right that you can't get that same treatment for me. They're me I tried to make the case where I was like I was like that was fun like I'm just I'm just like making our home environment I like a fun place where a nice a nice bit of wordplay can transpire And she didn't she didn't care for it didn't care for it at all

No, that does not agree with her one bit. No. Wow. Have you had any bad mid moments lately? I feel like this is that segment on the old Conan show where they whip over to Max Weinberg and he's like, I too have a bit Conan but we're playing the pre-tap. I have and I did that thing that I've been

doing all year, which is you order the food from the restaurant and then you go and pick up that food. Oh, you ordered it this time? You didn't just steal it from somebody else? No, I didn't. This time, I paid for it. So me and my wife get in the car, we go to pick it up. And most of the time, it's like, wow, your wife goes with you to pick up the food? Oh, yeah. That's amazing to me.

Sometimes we like to leave the house. And that's a good excuse. So we go across town. This is not a short trip. Maybe that's why she wanted to go. So go to pick up the thing. And on this particular meal occasion, we were ordering from a place we like a lot.

So we ordered a lot of food with the intention of leftovers. Yeah. So I show up at this place and it's like empty. It's just me and this one other dude behind the counter. I give him my name and he's super nice. Like nothing about this interaction is weird whatsoever outside of the weirdness that I inject to it. When he hands me a literal banker's box full of food like like lead and everything. Wow. And I look at this thing and he looks at this thing and he looks at this thing and he's like, all right, there you go.

And I was like, you can't fire me. I quit. All I do is. It's it's it. No matter what. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Hilt like Big laugh out of him big laugh out of me Place that rules man. I had a moment much like you Ben I get into the car and I and I tell my wife what happened what kind of interaction I just had It's like delighted at myself for what it happened. Yeah, cuz when a joke works and you have a new context to Roll it out what could be more tempting

than that? She doesn't like it when I laugh at my own jokes. And I was very satisfied with myself in that moment in a way that was repulsive to her. So I did not get the points from her for this that I did. From I know to be the joke judges watching this scene. So it was great. It was like the contextual joke that people agree to without planning it beforehand. Like that's what made it so satisfying. We're both looking at the same thing, seeing it the same way. And then that was it. Big fun.

Man, does it temper your enjoyment of the joke that its second outing was so catastrophic relative to its first? The first shot was so satisfying that nothing could take the glow off of it. Wow, so you're just driving home with shitty green on your face? Yeah, it really, look, we have a long standing rule. You and I, greatest general general, no bits on tips. Right. No bits on tips, however, if you are positive,

like a sniper and a bell tower and a World War II film, if you have the perfect shot, that can end the war. Yeah, take it. You gotta be sure. Well, and I think that you're also, like, you're past the point of tips in that scenario. Like, you're past the point of tips in that scenario. Like you paid online. That's exactly right.

There's no obligation of the tip E to laugh in such a way that they would be deserving of a greater. Like there's no monetary influence happening in the interaction. I think that's crucial. In some ways, that's like the most pure time to joke around with that. Absolutely.

With a person that is in that kind of position for their job is like, all of the pressure has been taken off and you're just relating to them as a human being. Right. And it fucking rules that you guys both got a kick out of that. Yeah. I sure did. I loved it. Yeah. You might if I use some of your material next time I go pick up some food.

Yeah, you got to make sure it's the banker's box, man. Yeah. That makes all the difference, but absolutely. Speaking of things that are awesome at, I'm, do you want to get into today's episode of Star Trek Voyager? I mean, I almost feel like I'm in a refractory period of just relaying a great bit. Yeah. I mean, it's all downhill from here, right? As we discuss, Star Trek Voyager, season one, episode 11, heroes and demons. Reaper, course. Unless you've got something a little bigger in your torpedo toots, I'm not turning around. So the Voyager has stopped their attempt to race home to take some samples. There's a nearby proto-star and Janeway is working with Bolognatorra's on getting some samples of

photonic matter from this star. I feel like less linked to the prospect of coffee than normal, but it definitely feels like pregnant with the possibility of coffee. There is coffee in that stuff stuff. We are going to beam that photonic matter over here, not because it is easy, but because it is hard. Just another scene of flagrant disregard for what a sterile environment engineering should be. Just go and beam it on over right next to the warp core, right next to BLT's face. Yeah, the stuff that you beam it from a star, the hottest thing there is. Oh, and while we're at it,

like let's make sure we don't have our hands around the annular confinement beam settings that well. Like let's continue to fuck around with those settings when we're dealing with staff stuff. It's very funny how like whack a do and slap dash, star fleet officers kind of seem like they are sometimes like, hey we didn't actually like test this before we did it, we just did it and then if we fuck it up we'll like figure out how to fix it later.

Seska could have done this. Yeah. Why not keep Seska around if this is how you're gonna beam star stuff around. She would have beamed it right into the warp core. Yeah. Had some retroactive like surprisingly plausible sounding justification for it I have no idea what you're talking about. I love how Captain Janeway is like looks like you got your hands full with this two, oh, I guess it's one. Okay. It's two again

samples of this star stuff. Why don't you get some help for for the work? Yeah, why don't I call Why don't you get some help for the work? Yeah. Why don't I call Ensign Kim on an off day and get him to come into work? And I was, the 16 year old me was cringing so hard in this moment because every retail job I've ever had involved phone calls from managers on my day off. Just to see what I was up to,

see if I feel like coming in and covering a sick call. Yeah. Yeah. Like that's something that's either I would be interested in doing or that I wouldn't be obligated to do because they called in a very uncomfortable way. Yeah. It's really the nightmare scenario outgrowth of it's a classic retail workers lament. Of the conversation that she had with BLT last episode where BLT like refused to give

a pessimistic estimate of how much time it would take to do something. She was like, my estimates are 100% accurate, 100% of the time. I'm not under promising so I can later over-deliver. I am giving you my real estimate. And so, so Janeway's response to this is, well, we'll get other people that are supposed to be taking a break out of their recreation time to come help you speed this process up.

But when they radio to Kim, he is not aboard the Starship Voyager. That's odd. Classic Star Trek moment when the computer says, Ensign Kim is not aboard the ship. Yeah. Always skin crawly. And you always want the follow-up question to be, computer, when did they leave the ship?

Right. And I mean, like they answered that question pretty quickly in that like, you know, scene on the bridge where two vach and chicote are like, I know, like we looked and into it and there's no record of them leaving by conventional means so it must have been unconventional. But like, I want the computer to know the answer

to that question. Wouldn't it make being in space feel so much safer, like a not insignificant amount of safer feeling to just know that the computer always had a tie on you. Yeah. And would always sound a little bit of an alarm if either your heart stopped while you were sleeping or if you were no longer aboard the ship. Right.

Like if you're climbing a mountain, you have a rope that is attached to a peaton that's hammered into the rock so that if you fall, you don't fall that far. And I think that a computer with the capabilities of the one on a starship should be kind of keeping track of everybody aboard and raising the alarm if anything becomes emergent in any way. This episode continues a series of very interesting compositions. I think we're getting on Star Trek Voyager Season 1. There's a two-shot here that's bisected by TuVox arm touching his station

panel. I just feel like they're really playing around with the space on the bridge especially during these conversations. And it's something that I really appreciate. It's, no, it's a really cool bridge design. And I like how it feels like it was designed in the tradition of the D, but with more pragmatism involved. It is not the flagship, it is a working starship in a way that the D sometimes feels like it's set up to be really presentable. I don't want to be too Larry David about this, but when I look at the reverse shot and I see how small the view screen is, I want to say like, there's an idea. Why don't you make the view screen wider? You have these walls on the other side, on either side of the view screen doing nothing.

Why don't you stretch the screen? My wife called me from a shuttlecraft that was about to crash on a planet. But I did not take the call because I had the view screen guy there. I've been having static when I tried to watch basketball and I find that unacceptable. You can use my replicator credits for beverages. But never for solid foods. Everybody knows that.

So they come to the understanding that something weird is going on on the holodeck. The last place anybody saw here, he came was going into do his Bay of Wolf program. And that was four hours ago. And when they scan the holodeck, they like can't even penetrate. Like there's no definitive readings coming back.

Which it would have been great if they'd just been like, well, where was the last place he was on the ship computer and be like, he was in the hall right outside the holodeck and then, eh? What do you think is the average time of a holodeck program for anyone? Like four hours in a bail wolf program without blasting. Seems like a long time.

Well, maybe he was like going for Twitch partner and he just needed to like really rack up some hours, you know? I wonder if there's pressure, like you only get your four hours. You don't want a blast too early. Right. Really ride your bail wolf out. All the way to the end.

Yeah, he's like the sting of Holodeck programs. He's doing tantric bail will, isn't he? He sure is. He may be on the Holodeck, but there's a lot of interference and that's by Chicoetay and Tuvac. Go to the door, give it a heavy knock, and when no one answers, they decide to go on in,

and they find themselves in this lush forest at night when we cut to theme. I wondered if they built this, or if it was a real outdoor set that they shot in, because it's like, that opening shot with the crane shot down through the branches of the trees, if this is on a sound stage, it's like a really impressive build, because that tree is fucking huge. And- It really is.

And if they shot outside, kind of like an unusual thing for Star Trek to do, like an exterior night shoot is a fun place to go. Speaking of huge, the giant spear that Freya throws at Tuvac and Chacote interrupts a book report that Chacote gives to Tuvac here. There's no fucking way he knows this much about Bale Wolf. Give me a break.

He's got the cliff snouts to Bale Wolf memorized. Bale Wolf? It's about a hero named Bale Wolf if I remember correctly. When Freya enters the frame, I thought she had giant fucking hunkers because her armor and there's the little animal hair balls hanging around her neck and the way she was lit, I was like, good Lord Star Trek. You really shoving them in my face but no it's just it's just

costuming it was it was costuming I think lighting the like angle of the the way the light hit her it really made her look a dolly part nesk for a minute but then she looked like a like the heavy metal box art she is a shield maiden representing the castle, Kinged by Rothgar, and she wants to know what these two warriors are doing in her woods that she defends. They have to kind of yes and this. She looks at Chicoete and she's like, what the hell happened to your face? And those ears on you. Oh.

The face is told me you are not men of the day. You know, the computer won't delete her. So they realize that like this is a safety's off, holiday emergency kind of episode. And so they start to, you know, kind of play along. I feel like they begin playing along with her like less than five minutes into the episode in a way

that earlier Star Trek would have spent 15 minutes setting up. Okay, we have to, like, do the things that the characters in the game expect us to do in order to advance the plot, and then when we win, then we can get out of the scrape. Did I win? Aw, really? Yeah, tonally, it begins very weird. But she mentions the Raven-haired hero that came to kill the monster that's terrorizing her people, and they're like, that's got to be Harry Kim. The twinkle in the eyes of dead giveaway.

We know that Harry Kim has that twink. Freya's like, this man, this beehive wolf, he clearly is of a specific sexual prowess. His seduction techniques honed after many years and much practice. Only he doesn't put it out on the street like you'd expect someone to. He is not horny on main in the way of a weaker man. He looks like no other. You're right. So she takes them back to the Mead Hall where, you know, where like the action in Beowulf is like you get with the warriors and you hang out in the Mead Hall and you wait for Grantle to attack. And this is kind of the central set of this episode.

And she brings them in and it's very like, I love the old-timey pomp and circumstance of introducing these warriors too, who bring tidings from a faraway land and wish to avenge the death of their former comrade. The vibe is very Bayowolf dinner theater. Like they both enjoy eating with their hands out of novelty and they're, and like, like the interactions with these characters are a little bit stunted.

Yeah, it's like if you had to write a Shakespeare like play, but you're in high school and you like, don't really have that many reps reading Shakespeare. Rothgar played by the same actor that played Patrick of the unforgettable X-Men. In the state line. How about that? Yeah, really like seeing him. Yeah. We also get to meet Unferth, who is kind of his right hand man, and Unworth really like kneecaps himself from a scaryness standpoint right off the bat because he says like, your friend is a coward and he was killed by, by Grendel along with our 30 best warriors

uh, until like we're doing the math at home going okay. So Unworth is definitely at best the 31st best warrior they had you just played yourself unfurth you put a quarter in your ass it's not even Peter principle he's like what's left for like right hand man of the king I don't know anything about Bale Wolf is this just unfurth being unfurth I don't know it's been a long time. It's been a long time since I've read or seen it. But I like that character. I think that that's very intentional on the part of the writers that that unfurth is like kind of

an idiot and it doesn't realize how much he is betraying that to all of the other characters every time he speaks. I think it's interesting that the Com Channel isn't open at all times because about this point, Tuvac and Chicoete call up to the bridge where they tell Captain Janeway that we're pretty sure Kim has died. And the captain's like, shit, like you guys have been gone for hours.

Could you report back a little bit more frequently? What is going on in there? I feel like a moment of unintentional comedy happens when certain things were done physically in the take as the sequence was edited together. To Cote starts giving Captain Janeway, you know, the update that what they're inside is a bail wolf program. And Captain Janeway hangs her head after hearing that. In a, oh God, this is one of those episodes a start trick kind of way. Why couldn't it have been a horny bouncy castle program? Come on.

And then tells her about Kim's possible death to which she reacts appropriately there too, but not nearly as physically as the take she gives to learning that it's B.O. Wolf. And I just thought that was real fun. Yeah, followed pretty close after that, Tukote and Tuvac have a little conversation about what demons and scary characters

in human literature mean. And Tukote is talking about how they represent like darker emotions and their way to like explore those things at Tukotas. It's like, well, that's why we don't have any of those kinds of characters in Vulcan literature and Tukotas just savagely doing some Vulcan literature. That might account for its popularity.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, the crowd let you know what they think of it. Brutal. But Tuvac does not get a chance to rebut this because they get paid a visit by said demon. The barn doors on the meat hall start rattling and light comes pouring in from the cracks and the doors burst open and we cut back up to the bridge and we've lost contact with Jakote and Tuvac.

The hypothesizing around this moment is that they've been turned into photonic energy and this is a phrase that we're familiar with based on that opening scene. And when you are converted into a being of pure energy, it's also known as the endless climax. And we can be sure wherever these three crew people are, they're having a hell of a time. Yeah, it rules in whatever nexus they've found themselves in. Yeah. So they need to send someone in.

One man, one loose cannon who doesn't play by the rules, but gets results. That man is Doc Holiday. Me. They really needed an exo comp for this mission, huh? They really did, yeah. Something that's never climaxed before. Yeah, they go down to Six Bay and kind of pitch the doctor on this and it's kind of a head

trip for him. He's never even considered the possibility it seemed like. They play a lot in the margins of, you know, doc holiday potentially being scared about the mission to come. Did you ever get the whiff that there was an option for him? Like could he have said no? It wasn't great that the episode like failed to explore that at all. Like, how much agency are they imagining this character to have? Because I think Cass is at this point treats him as like a full entity with all of the rights and responsibilities of a citizen of the Federation. Yeah. And I know know that the captain has moved quite a bit

toward that position over the course of this first season, but I don't feel like super confident that she's 100% of the way there. I was shocked that that was a conflict cul-de-sac instead of a conflict road, because that's where the rubber meets the road on whether or not Dachkalade has any sort of personhood and they just totally ignore the idea of choice here in a way that I thought really could have

imbued this moment and the rest of the episode with some real hardcore pathos here like what if he didn't want to do it? What if he felt obligated somehow? Yeah, and it would have made Kess more interesting too because if Kess is riding on a different side than Captain Janeway, then there's conflict there. If I was editing the script of this episode, I would have resolved all of the where is Harry stuff in two lines of dialogue with the Captain asking the computer where he was when he left and the computer spitting back the holiday. And then we could have gotten right into that. And that made me, we've been a more time in this scene for that. The one thing I really love about this scene

is the doctor kind of reflecting on what is making him nervous about this situation. And the idea that his world is about to get so much bigger. It's like not something he'd ever considered being able to do, going to a forest or like doing an adventure. And it's like, I don't know, the first time you go to another country or something for him. Like it, I really like that part of the scene. Like the there was some real authenticity there that felt relatable despite the fact that this character's

experience is like inherently unrelatable. Yeah, I like that moment too. I mean, he's only ever existed in this one room. Right. Now, imagine your world goes from one room to a universe, really. Yeah. Imagine you've been vaccinated, for example.

Right. Right. So the pitch is for doc holiday to get close enough to Grendel to study this energy surge. That's in simplistic terms what the mission is. It's not any more or less heroic than that, but he's got to he's got to be transported into the program, which is a bit of business that they give to Paris. Yeah, they've got to kind of rebuild some of the electrical wiring to make that feasible. So the doctor has some time to prepare and he's told to prepare, like, by basically familiarizing himself with the text of Bayo Wolf.

But Kess is also suggesting, like, maybe, like, decide on a name for yourself so that when you go do that, you have a name to give when you encounter other characters. It would be nice to know what to call you when you die. So Paris is sort of the chief o'Brien of this scene. The transporter chief who is transporting one hologram from one room to another. And like I feel like Paris has, I mean I, I feel like they've given him other scenes to do like technical and scientific stuff before, but that seemed like a full element of his character in

this episode in a way that it has been kind of a light element in previous episodes. He got a ton of techno babble and like knowing things about how physics works and stuff. A hologram can't be converted into energy. It already is energy. But like I don't associate with like fighter jock, which is kind of the other side of his character. Right. He was introduced as the pilot basically,

but he is really like a polymath, right? Like he's like super capable in a lot of different ways. introduced as the pilot basically, but he is really like a polymath, right? Yeah, he's like super capable in a lot of different ways. Yeah, and you feel safe when he's transporting you, which is a quality that we haven't really gotten a bunch of in Star Trek Voyager. Am I making any sense here? I have no idea what you're talking about. The doctor shows up in the program and I really liked the extent to which it just felt like the like

I'm starting a new playthrough of Skyrim like it always starts the same way, you know? Yeah, you wake up in the back of that cart. Hey you, finally awake. Freya throws a, throws a spear at you and his interaction with her kind of takes the conversation into some different places, but it's really fun. I was thinking about how much the characters in Beowulf felt like they were written a lot like Klingons, like they're kind of warriors, and they have,

yeah. Like, they think of themselves as warriors, and they think about their honor, and their prowess and battle and Frey is really excited to learn that like her, like the fame of her deeds has reached foreign lands. And I sometimes think about Klingons as being kind of dumber than other Star Trek characters.

But this really made me realize that Klingons are no dumber than other Star Trek characters. These are the dumb characters. Quite true. A hero's name. Yeah, I mean, for as fraught as the situation is for Freya and company, she still wants to make the time to do psychedelics in the scene where she like spots them growing on a, on an overturned log. Yeah.

And she's like, I can't wait to trip balls with you, Doc. Let's do this. And the doctor waves a tricorder over them. And he's like, I do not have time for an ayahuasca experience. We've got to kind of an emergency effort. Yeah, it seems pretty dangerous, but they gather all this material and they take it to the king. Yeah. What is that? What is that place?

Is it a castle? I think it's a meat hall. It's a meatery. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if they make the meat here, but they definitely drink the meat here. Yeah. A very fun scene for the doctor. It seems like maybe the first time he's ever eaten anything. Yeah, and he's got the novelty Elk leg that you get at Disneyland. It's big, big fun. And I love all of the takes that Robert Picardo has here. We're doing a lot of shot reverse shot. And it seems like every time we return to him, he's had way more elk leg than you

think he's, he's had like there's an elk leg passage of time thing going on. That, that is big fun. And when he does take bites of it, he takes really big bites that they like at a certain point have to like go like, all right, not going off to taking the giant bites of the elk. Right. You want to keep that elk leg continuity if you can. Yeah.

Unfurth again, super threatened by the doctor and they have to establish some dominance. And this takes the form of a sword fight between the man we're now calling Dr. Schweitzer and unferth. And what we've learned is that the doctor can turn off and on his magnetic containment. So he can be a pass-through hologram or a solid hologram at will. And he whips this trick out and it really wows the ground. Defend your shaft! It's orange soda in my mouth! Liza! Liza! Liza! Liza! That's what you want right there after doing a magic trick.

Very fun to hear a bunch of primitive Danes chanting Schweitzer. Yeah. The name of a French doctor slash theologian, I think. There's a very like army of darkness, emotional vibe to this scene and the one that follows though, right? Because he does this great feat of strength in front of everyone and then Freya's basement is like totally flooded. Right.

The very easy visual metaphor of like her stoking a fire. As she has this conversation and like bonds with the doctor afterwards. And they have a lot in common because she's afraid of this growing sense of loneliness that she's felt as 30 people and more have died by Grendel and she's taken a look around and not a lot of people are left at this point and that feels her with a kind of fear that the doc can actually

appreciate because I think that's like the main thing about the doctor is his sense of loneliness in the world. And you know one thing leads to another, right? Like their connection builds to a point where they are actually smooching in this scene. I did not expect the doctor to get his first kiss before the captain got her first kiss. That's a great call. I think we are too inferred that he does not bang in this scene. Well, combat is most important to stay warm.

First you want to kill me. Now you want to kiss me. Blow. The question remains though. Could he bang? Does he have the tools? Oh, is he programmed in multiple techniques? Is he fully functional?

Ben if he has the entirety of medical texts available to him, he probably knows where everything is. I mean, he's got a tongue so he can do a lot, you know? He's got fingers. He's seen it all. Yeah, he knows his way around down there. It's interesting how much sexuality is injected into the freya character.

Just by virtue of the way she pronounces things, like I had a very strong sense memory from her relating to the character of Simone from Peewee's Big Adventure. Like there's a roundness to her pronunciation. Hmm. That seems like exotic. Right.

In that way, and it really, like, it made her very attractive in that same way. Fate, often spares it doing warrior. Before you go, will you come and watch the sunrise with me? I know what you mean, that the sun's at boulevard, like fancy pronunciation of things is really alluring in some way. But not ham and cheese at all in any way.

It's a special quality that few actors can bring to it. It was just very noticeable to me. Yeah, and it's not like breathy horne-ness. No. It seemed more sophisticated than that for some reason. Right. So she leaves and incomes grendle, which looks just like the glowing entities that they beamed into the peatry dishes in the first scene. And the doctor is scanning it and it kind of like extends these light tendrils out to him and one grabs onto his arm and he kind of panics.

And they beam him back to Six Bay and he materializes in Six Bay with one of his arms like lopped off just below the shoulder. And it is just arterial spray everywhere. Like it is a totally disturbing amount of bodily fluids coming out of this stump. Sick neighborhood pork. I think you better come take a look at this. Because you have to keep in mind, he's a hologram, so there's no like theoretical limit to how much can pour out of him. No. And it's like, I mean, if you think of his body as being like a like a tardis like it is both so much more blood than you could possibly imagine. The pressure of it really surprised me. Yeah.

Like it takes the bark off of a tree like that's how much pressure is behind it. Yeah. Like and when you're running a video game and there are like a lot of characters on screen you sometimes start to get like lower frame rates you know and that does not happen in the holodeck like when when he appears in the holodeck and starts spraying that blood everywhere, it's just coating every wall, every surface. There's droplets of blood flying everywhere. It gets in paris's mouth.

And it doesn't slow down at all. It just goes and goes. And they take this all the way to the commercial break. When we come back, they've reattached the arm. Ensign Hazmat is mopping blood up in the background of 6 Bay. My name's Jean. I've already forgotten that. They've got some really great data out of this expedition because the doctor was there scanning this entity when it made contact with him.

So BLT is able to get a lot more data out of these scans than she was any previous scans. She's like, this is great because I can go run experiments on the other two ones we have in engineering in a dangerous proximity to the warp core and see if I can't figure out how we can flush the photonic energy out of the holodic and maybe rematerialize our crew members. Because that's like what they're talking about is there is maybe some evidence that there's like synaptic patterns in this stuff so they're like, oh, like the molecular patterns of our crew may be preserved in there somehow. And if we could somehow find that and rematerialize them in the way that you would rematerialize something

on the transporter pad, like we may be able to save them yet. There's coffee in that synaptic pattern. And it really reminded me of that episode, emanations where Harry goes missing, like, and how little hope there seemed to be of them rescuing Harry in that episode. And we talked about how weird it was that they weren't like grappling with the fact

that they may never see him again in that. Like this, they like, the mile markers of like, we think we can get these guys back are in there as early and often as you need them to, to not have that same problem. I don't know what it is that's broken in me. But that episode trained me for this episode in almost the opposite way

in that every time I heard a mention of like a synaptic pattern, I was thinking, well, yeah, obviously this energy is alive. I wasn't considering the idea that the crew people were trapped inside. I was just thinking of this energy as a sentient thing. And this is a, this is a suspicion that is confirmed when we take it over to engineering. And one of the energy beings breaks out of its container and slivers its way through all. There have been so many episodes already in Voyager that are like this thing that we thought was just energy is in fact alive, and there have also been so many episodes of

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That it reminded me of the ship that Clint Howard was in in that episode of TOS. You'd only catch a brief glimpse of it, but it really reminded me of that. It looks cool. And so they start to put it together. Like this is a ship in some way that we don't fully understand. The photonic energy things are beings, our crew members have been converted to energy and they're over there on that ship. And we have done the classic Starfleet's lament of thinking we were just scooping up some samples, but in fact hurting people and destroying a civilization.

So we need to like make amends, we need to offer them some kind of gesture of peace and understanding and see if we can get our dudes back. Good for Janeway resisting her first instinct to drive her ship into this thing. We need to go inside the capsule. So the doctor and Captain Janeway agreed that a kind of prisoner exchange might be an order here. If what they've got is this last sample that doesn't busted out of engineering, and if what they've got are the three crew people, maybe we can meet in the demilitarized zone between us on the holodeck and maybe do an exchange. So that's the plan. They turn the doctor into all of her shwitzer and it's hostages for

hostages. The way it should be. Yeah, that's a good kind of exchange. I have no complaints. That's what they say. The best kind of negotiation is when both parties are exchanging hostages. I'd like to finish what I started Captain. I can do this. So they give the doc the other photonic entity in a canister and send him into the holodeck and he starts in the same place. So this is back in the forest, the part of the game where you meet Freya and she recognizes him. She's really excited to see him.

They meet like old friends. Yeah. She's like, we didn't get down on that first date and that's only made me more excited for this date. That's exactly what I was getting that was like you get this scene is what confirms that they didn't fuck in the previous scene because if they had it would have been way more awkward. That would be difficult to explain. Speaking of awkward though, Unferth shows up. He's very jealous. Yeah, Unferth is a real shit talker, and he doesn't take kindly to the doctor's advances.

He also thinks that the doctor is like a coward. He doesn't trust the way, the fact that the doctor survived his encounter with Grendel. And so he wants to prove that the doctor's a coward. So he starts swinging his sword, and the doctor is not allowed to like, desolid himself this time because he's got to carry this this canister and I guess if he if he isn't solid he could drop

the canister right through his hands. Yeah, so this fight has real stakes. Unfortunately, the stakes involve Freya's death. Yeah, unfurth stabs her. He's stabbing at the doctor and she jumps in front of the bullet that is a dagger. And she's lying on the ground, shuffling, loose this mortal coil as unferth grabs the canister

and runs off and the doc is not even worried about the canister at this point. He is focused on Freya. And she's like dying the death of a warrior, you know, like, go finish the work, leave me, leave me to bleed out here. Before you go, I just have one question. What are you working with down there? I mean, is it smooth, like a doll or is it, is there junk? She coughs that last line out and he raises his head to heaven and screams out to let Stovocore know a warrior is coming. Yeah, this really lights a fire in the doctor's ass. He barges back into the meat castle

and demands the talisman from the king. Yeah, he is in not fucking around mode in a way that I was really excited by. You can't kill someone's special person? Really makes them upset. He really gets into the character of the moment too. Like he gets that torch and he's like it's all intimidation factor, right? Like he doesn't actually have to beat Unferth in single combat. He just like approaches him

with sword and torch and Unferth completely shits himself and you know like it's basically calling Unfer's bluff. I was confused by this scene at first and I had to replay it a few times because that's all it is. It's the warfare of attitude. The threat is somewhat implied in that he's using two melee weapons and two hands and who knows what could happen. But it's really in the way that the doctor carries himself more than anything Unfurth fucked around and found out and what he found out is that he's not going to get killed today

Because the doctor is programmed to do no hollow harm Mm-hmm, and so he just takes his talisman back from Rothgar and Turns to the door and basically challenges Grendel to come in and meet him. And the doors fly open and he opens the canister and the baby photonic entity goes like it's just like a little or version of the big of the big one that is Occupying the the role of Grendel Doesn't change what happens to the doctor though His arm once again taken off just above the elbow

and He just fire hoses everyone in the meat castle. Yeah You see Rothschild like succumb to the blast of blood in the meat castle. Yeah. You see Rothschilder like succumbed to the blast of blood in the face. You can't catch a breath. Have you ever tried to get like 50 gallons of blood out of a, out of a first soul? It's never going to be the same. No.

And you know, it's sad because the elk aren't quite as populous in this part of the forest as they were when he built the meat haul. Yeah, the elk are going to stay far, far away from this place. You may be attracting more wolves than anything. Yeah. So what's interesting about this exchange is that it happens kind of off camera. Like we cut back to the bridge of the ship and then we cut back to The bloody meat haul and our crew people have materialized Yeah, like the doctor was like pitching the

Entity on like hey, could we get our people back now to we didn't mean anything by it We we knew not what we did and then it's like on the bridge we get him radioing up like hey great news All of the main cast members that you were worried about at the beginning of the episode are going to be just fine. The button on the episode is that, you know, while this began as an exciting first contact episode, it does not appear as though there will be further contact. The way that the captain puts it is that this was your classic episode of Star Trek where there's a conflict that we resolve through communication upon arriving at our resolution,

which is this scene that I'm in right now. I'm facing a special commendation in the Bronx. And that's it, like we're out. And the doctor got his first away mission. The suggestion is that this won't be the last holodeck rodeo for the doctor. That's definitely the tone and the promise of this thing. But he doesn't get to decide that, huh? Like that we leave him in six bay.

Yeah. But what I wanted was as soon as Captain Janeway leaves the room for him to like frizzle out and go back to the holodeck. I was a little bit hoping for Paris to be like, well, I'm off and heading down and firing up the Marseille pool bar and, you know, saying like, hey, Doc, like, you want to come shoot a of rags with me or something? And like showing the holodeck as being also a place for fun for the doctor. Yeah, I wonder how much we're gonna get the personality chickens coming home to roost as the doctor becomes more and more integrated with the crew.

Like he's treated a lot of people like shit up until now. Like I wonder if I wonder how likely a scenario like that would be for Tom Paris to see the lonely doctor and be like, well, this guy's been a fucking dick to me for 10 episodes. Like, why would I want to go shoot pool with him? I could see Paris being the killing with kindness type of person.

But yeah, it ends on a much more melancholy note of the doctor talking about how he's not going to keep the name Schweitzer because when Freya died, she's the last person to call him that and he doesn't want to continue with that because it'll be too painful a memory. I wonder how, I mean, this is something you'll just never know, but when you come up with a famous doctor, name for your TV show doctor, like how close could you possibly come to accidentally naming him Cosby, or whatever?

And like having like retroactive, awful thoughts about the doctor name that you choose because something comes out about that historical doctor. Right. You didn't know at the time. You know what I'm saying? Right. Like, if he, I mean, and especially now, like, if he picked somebody that, like, wasn't

considered a, you know, like, they're, like, something bad about them wasn't widely known then, but is now like, like, he calls himself Dr. Oz. Like, Dr. Oz wasn't on TV They just thought it was a fun name, but then like coincidence makes it so that Super shitty The name I selected is Dr. Drew a totally generic name that will not be controversial ever Dr Bill does that appeal to anyone?

I think these are great ideas, guys. I think this is a talented writer's room, no bad ideas here. I like our choices. I think there's no way we can lose. Cass, I've arrived at my decision. Doctor Laura. Oh.

I think we're in agreement about how much we like those names been, but did you like the episode? You know, I'm really used to get along with most of the time, but I don't like bullets, I don't like friends, and I don't like you. I love this too. I did like the episode. I think that this was a really fun holodeck adventure. It's like, it's got the same problem that a lot of Star Trek holiday adventures have,

which is that they just don't have the budget to really nail the period that they are depicting the way that you wish they would. Like, it is not a game of thrones, little fit and finish on the sword and sword and cloak costume design. But if you can get past that, I think it's a really fun story. And I like that they are using it for a very unique to voyage or kind of plotline.

This couldn't have been a TNG plotline or a DS9 plotline. It only works in the context of this show. And I thought it was a really fun way to kind of develop the doctor character and get under his skin a little bit more. Yeah, I really agree. I think as a vehicle for the doctor and their growth, I think I feel like they did a really great job with that development. And I was very satisfied with it. It should be noted, Ben, that Marjorie Monahan, the actor who plays Freya, was in a lot

of episodes of Babel on 5. This is why we didn't recognize her because we don't watch that show. And won't. Well, what we will watch is the priority one inbox for the greatest generation, and we watch it fill up every week. Do you want to go see what's in there? It never disappoints, like an episode of Babylon 5. Like we would.

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We are a month's late on that birthday. It's for Andrew, but happy birthday nonetheless. Yeah, a lot of pandemic buddies. Now just fortunate at the end of this as Becky and Andrew making it through. Good job by them. Good job by them. Then our final priority when message is from Terry and it is till Lizzy.

The message goes like this. Happy birthday, Lizzy. Also, congratulations on having finished both your class and DS9. Love Terry. Man, that's great. Lizzy is a real class act, I would say. Hopefully both Lizzy and Terry have stuck around for the voyager version of this show. I mean, the greatest generation is something that you and I will never finish.

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Did you find yourself a drunk Shimoda? A drunk Shimoda! It seems like it would be Harry Kim, but it's amazing how much of this episode exists without him. Like, it's just implied that this is what he's into. And that makes him a little weird. Yeah. And then we hear these holiday characters talk about him.

Like, I still want to make him the Shimoto of this episode. He's the reason for this episode's being. He is my Shimoto for sure. Yeah, I mean, I think it's always fun to be the what the fuck just happened guy at the end of an episode where everything was about rescuing you. Right. But also, you're right, like the implications of Harry's like personal recreation time

that this hollow program makes is very fun, you know? It's gotta be so deeply embarrassing though. To like, to suddenly reappear and you're seeing people that weren't supposed to be there and they're your co-workers That's no good. Yeah, they're like I'm not really into this. I was just trying it out Yeah, yeah, do you not like if you're Harry Kim? Well That was a really fun episode to talk about Adam, but we've got to decide how we

will talk about the next episode of Star Trek colon Voyager. For that we use the Game of Buttholes, the Bill of the Carotaker, which is a goch.biz slash game. And while you are firing that up, I'll tell you about season one, episode 12, Catexes, energy beings from a nebula, displaced Chicoote's consciousness from his body. Another energy being episode. I hope that this energy being separates Chico Chico Dei's personality from his body,

and then throws it away. Give them a better one. Yeah. It's just a benevolent energy being that is like, hey, what if he was like really gregarious and fun or something like that? Not a fan of Chico Dei at this point. I think it's a really like fun inversion of Star Trek to underwrite one of the male characters.

I really wonder if this is character ditch being dug that he will eventually climb out of in a satisfying way. I really wondered that. I think I hope it happens like that because I don't like not liking a character as deeply as I do here. Like he's sub-neelix to me. Wow. And that's fucked up. That's fucked up, dude.

You're required to learn as you play. Roll. Ben, I'm over at the Game of Blood Holes Game Board, and I'm looking at our runabout piece, which is currently on square 94. You can check our progress by going to goch.bizslashgame. A roll of a five would get us to a mourn hammer then. A point of order here I want to check with you is that, is it an exact roll situation? If a roll of six do we go back to one? What happens? I don't remember how the functionality of the game board works.

I guess we're about to find out. Yeah, I guess... Go ahead and fuck around. Alright, I've got the die in my hand. Given it a roll. Oh, Lumber-E! A five is what I wanted and a five is what I got then. Oh my God, like Babe Ruth, you called your shot.

Yeah, this is hitting my number in Crap's and it pays big time because the next episode will be a more enamored episode. It will be a power hour episode. God damn, I haven't had a six pack of beer in my fridge in a long time. I'm gonna have to go supply myself. I think I wanna do mine with Celter.

I don't really like drinking a lot of beer anymore, and we don't really have it in the house. I think I might do a hard-seltzer style. That's gonna be the favorite of mine. Individual shots of hards, oh, you're gonna buy like claws. Well, either that or like the last hard shelter I got from that brewery in Santa Barbara was fucking great. Like, that's the should I want.

I never see this anywhere, but I discovered that a store in my neighborhood sells 24 packs of Olympia beer, which, Wow, holy. Yeah. That's a, that's a beer I really like. And it's, it's usually something you only see in the Seattle region in my experience anyways. You know what, dude, let's meet up, because I kinda wanna do the same. I want some of that Olympia.

Yeah, I mean, we're vaxed enough to make that happen. Yeah, we're vaxed enough to hand a half rack of beer to each other when the opportunity arises. So let's do it. All right. Well, I'll go procure that and we'll find a way to make the hand off. Great. Well, that will be next week on the show, which actually comes to think of it, is the beginning of the Max Fund Drive, which is the one time a year where we really push new and upgrading support of the show.

I think we're going, are we going for 2000 new and upgrading again this year? We should have a meeting about that. That's the right number for us. Yeah, that would be really great. So if you're enjoying the show and you haven't supported yet, or if you are considering upgrading, Max Fund Drive is the best time of year to do it because you get even better inducement gifts than normal and we'll be putting a very fun, couple of very fun bonus episodes in the donor bonus feed coming up soon. It's going to be a ton of fun and I'm really looking forward to it. I think we're going to have a great drive this year. Back to the standard two weeks, which is

something that we're all thankful for. Looking forward to a Titan-Tidy two-week max fund drive this year to make sure that the greatest generation continues a pace. Yeah. So, yeah, and I think we'll probably be doing lots of fun stuff on Twitch, and, you know, of course, we've reached our goal in the last Max Fund Drive to destroy the Falcon. We have some Lego kits that have now been built, and I think I'm not promising this yet, but I think we may try to do that live on the internet when we destroy the Falcon.

And the Falcon this year takes the form of the Star Destroyer model, the one that's like five feet long, and we're going to drop that on the Roman Colosseum model, which is the highest number of pieces ever in a Lego kit. And Adam is building that. I built the star destroyer. And we're going to let them destroy each other. Now, we haven't agreed on what is being dropped onto what. I personally believe that the Colosseum should be dropped. Oh, interesting.

On the star destroyer. I can see the case for that, because I bet the Colosseum is much denser than the star be dropped. Oh, interesting. On the star destroyer. I can see the case for that, because I bet the Colosseum is much denser than the star destroyer. Oh yeah. So it'd be like dropping a rock and a pond. Yeah, it's gonna be amazing. And I love the idea of doing it on Twitch,

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